Shows
Out of Our MindsWarfare and dronesThe point of warfare is to kill and win, but the means to that end must be considered. The bloodlust of mankind is seldom, if ever, suppressed at the point of considering some advantage. Then again, warfare has been a history of unfair advantages through technological innovation hidden from the enemy. Tim and Andrew discuss some of those technological advances in history, our latest technological advance (drones), and the complexity of warfare. And, please, can we remember to pray for those who have to make the actual decisions about international relations and war?***Mentioned...2025-06-1046 min
Out of Our MindsNo Enemies to the Right (NETTR)The internet is a balkanization of the populace: Everybody finds those they want to listen to. It is exceedingly difficult to teach somebody whose principal input in his life is through the internet. With a flesh-and-blood pastor, you at least can see his sins, his wife, and his children. Generally, with a pastor, you can’t escape his bad smells, but on the internet, everything and everyone is perfect.The most difficult thing you do in ministry is to call your own congregation to repentance. It is easy to talk about the sins of people outside the ch...2025-05-1340 min
Out of Our MindsTariffs, Trade, & Global Economy with Jürgen von Hagen***Live Zoom videoconference with Jürgen and Tim will take place on Tuesday, April 29, at 2 p.m. ET.***Jürgen von Hagen leads a discussion on tariffs, trade, and global economics. NOTE: This episode is best listened to with THESE GRAPHS pulled up on your device.Also discussed: Trump's tariff strategy, the Russian threat, trusting God with our lives, trade deficits, manufacturing vs. service economy, savings-investment gap, Apple Computer, F-35 jets and their software, foreign debt, debt crisis, World Trade Organization, GATT, US responsibility for keeping peace. "Democracy is not good at financial di...2025-04-151h 25
Out of Our MindsTesla, Elon Musk, and Political ViolenceNot All Tesla is Tesla. What Tesla means to people has shifted drastically. It’s a shibboleth in our culture. From the darling of the green left to the “Swasticar,” you're now considered a villain if you drive a Tesla, particularly a Cybertruck. We don’t understand Elon Musk until we get a grip on South Africa and her unapologetic males. South Africans have not been run through the American/European "plastic extruder" that removes manhood from them. We as a nation have lost manhood. South African males typically have this attitude: there is absolutely nothing that they can’...2025-04-0859 min
Out of Our MindsAdvocating for Devil's AdvocacyWhat is the origin of the "devil's advocate"? What are the benefits of assigning someone to that role? It has been noted in Scottish Presbyterian polity that a unanimous decision has not been sufficiently debated. In other words, either the issue was trivial, the presbyters were apathetic, or no one stepped up to elevate the debate by serving as the devil's advocate. Tim and Andrew encourage listeners to learn how to think, not just what to think. We must guide our children to know how to argue respectfully, anticipate objections, understand their opponents' arguments, and r...2025-04-011h 22
Out of Our MindsMotherhood Today: A Discussion of Pakaluk's Hannah's ChildrenPastor Tim is joined by his wife (Mary Lee) and their three daughters (Heather, Michal, & Hannah). They discuss Catherine Ruth Pakaluk's recent book Hannah's Children: The Women Quietly Defying the Birth Dearth. The book serves as a launching point for discussing the joys and troubles of motherhood, childrearing, and the culturally rebellious decision to obey God's command to be fruitful and multiply. Here's a link to the family video mentioned in the podcast.***Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.2025-03-191h 20
Out of Our MindsVP Vance's Speech in GermanyRev. Dr. Jürgen Von Hagen joined Tim and Andrew to discuss European culture and international relations. Last week, US Vice President Vance gave a speech at the Munich Security Conference—a meeting of top European military leaders, diplomats, and government officials. Vance's speech was a shock to many Germans (and the broader European community) because they expected him to speak about the conflict in Ukraine. Instead, Vance questioned whether the shared values that forged the NATO alliance still exist between the US and the EU. What were those shared values that are under attack in European nations? Freedom of...2025-02-181h 24
Out of Our MindsFire & Church ReformLos Angeles burns and fire policy in California is exposed. Accountability and reformation ought to come. What can we learn about church reform from wildfires and fire policy? It is common for pastors to be punished when the fire of the Holy Spirit begins to burn. Fire ought to be allowed (planned burns); so, too, the Holy Spirit will burn for the good of our churches and people. Mentioned in the podcast:How Red Tape Strangled California Forest Management Before LA Fires by Katherine FungFire by Thomas HackettHeaven Taken By...2025-01-1849 minOut of Our MindsThe Power of VictimhoodThe most powerful man today is the man who has the best case for being a victim. Young men intuitively know this reality and are thereby inclined to victimhood. In every narrative about their lives, they portray themselves as victims. Conversely, real manhood is about taking responsibility and being an agent—not a perpetual victim.On the other hand, victimhood is not fake news. Some true victims need to unburden themselves to trusted and sympathetic church authorities. Real victims do not relentlessly broadcast their abuse—to do so would betray its seriousness. And, what's your take...2024-12-031h 02
Out of Our MindsAI Summaries & False ProphetsHalloween candy and rhubarb pieLithium batteries and Tesla firesAn AI podcast summary of Evangel Presbytery’s book, Abortion and the Church.Twentieth-century growth in bloodshedWorldwide population declineDesensitized to life, death, and abortionGoPro videos, movies, and bloodshed Men and war, women and childbirthTrue and false prophetsDiscernment and credulityRoman Catholic popes and Evangelical celebritiesTrue job security for pastorsPastors who tell the truthButchers and surgeons bar...2024-11-121h 08
Out of Our MindsThe witness and work of University of Bonn Vice-rector, Pastor Juergen Von Hagen: with discussion of German Christian Nationalism under Third ReichFrom Pulitzer Center: “Germans Thought They Were Immune to Nationalism After Confronting Their Nazi Past. They Were Wrong”Tim Bayly interviews Jürgen von Hagen on Christian nationalism, exploring its historical roots within the Lutheran Church during the Nazi regime. They discuss Toby Von Hagen’s (Jürgen’s son) thesis on the church's intertwining of theology and national identity, its subsequent alignment with nationalism, and the dangers of merging faith with political aspirations. The conversation highlights parallels with contemporary American Christian Nationalism and critiques the impact of political nationalism on faith and doctrine. Jürgen reflects on historic...2024-10-281h 05
Out of Our MindsHigher Education and Your ChildrenPastors Tim and Juergen discuss the latter’s education in Germany and his move to the United States to teach economics at Indiana University’s (now named) Kelley School of Business. Juergen recounts how he and his wife, Ilsa, came to faith through the witness and compassion of members of Grace Covenant Presbyterian Church (PCA). The discussion then turns to the discipline of economics, Juergen’s working relationships with various financial institutions, the fiscal crises of European nations, the harm done to Russia by American economists, and Juergen’s early experiences with online education at IU—all ba...2024-10-2355 min
Out of Our MindsAgainst Human FlourishingAround 1980, people around the world began speaking of "human flourishing." In 2000, the frequency of the phrase's use in media flourished exponentially. Be suspicious of new words and phrases taking the world by storm. As Chesterton said, before you take a fence down you must determine why it was erected in the first place. New words and phrases often arise to replace and relegate truths that are no longer deemed to be kind or helpful.***We mention Tim Keller’s statement about “human flourishing."We also mention Tim Keller’s response to Cov...2024-10-0349 min
Out of Our MindsHelp for the New School YearPastor Tim and Andrew reflect on one of the significant reset points in our year: the beginning of the new school year.The free-ranging discussion includes the following topics:How do you send your children off in the morning?The utility of school uniformsHow to remove some decisions from your day because they drain your batteryAvoid parenting books that guilt-trip you into conformity to the "perfect" systemAvoid comparing yourself to others in a competitive modeChild-rearing fadsAs your children age, everything becomes more seriousBe conscientious about the friends of your childrenWho do your children look up to...2024-09-111h 07
Out of Our MindsEat a Peach! (Fruitfulness & God's Creation Mandates)We have failed to teach our children and our culture the creation mandates: "God blessed them; and God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth'" (Gen. 1:28). We need to restore the faith that believes God's commands, particularly His creation mandates regarding fruitfulness, are for all ages, for man's good, and His glory.***Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What...2024-08-2841 min
Out of Our MindsHolding on to your kids, discipline, and authorityIn this episode, Pastor Tim Bayly is joined by his son, Joseph (Senior Pastor at Christ Church in Cincinnati), and son-in-law, Lucas Weeks (College and Administrative Pastor at Trinity Reformed Church in Bloomington, IN) to discuss parenting.We often think that our parenting is a failure if we have to resort to authority. That attitude is foolishness and an abandonment of God's rules for parenting. Our fears and modern psychologists have trained us to believe that authority is antithetical to having your child's heart. We must be reminded that if we intend to hold on to our...2024-08-201h 47
Out of Our MindsThe Debate & The Assassination AttemptHistory changes very quickly. Read the book of Esther. We've witnessed numerous surprising and sobering changes in the past two weeks.The performance of President Biden during the debate makes us question who allowed for (or orchestrated) such a sad spectacle. What if an assassin's bullet had killed former President Trump? What effect will this event have on his soul?Mentioned in the episode: Donald Trump was being interviewed, and asked what he thought about death—whether he was worried about it—he responded: “No. I'm fatalistic and I protect myself as well as anybody can. I...2024-07-3151 min
Out of Our MindsThinking as a Christian (not a partisan)It must be understood that the Christian faith is never owned by any king or any party. A constant temptation of Christians is to be programmed by personalities. Rather than taking cheap, easy, stupid, and faithless shortcuts, we ought to be taught how to think. Primarily and tragically, we forget the doctrine of the sinfulness of all men (even our heroes) and the doctrine of the Fall. Learn in this episode what it means to think as a Christian, not as a partisan. The episode ends with a brief return to answer a question from a previous...2024-06-271h 07
Out of Our MindsMoney at Church: supporting God's men, hucksters, endowments, the stingy rich, and living by faithThe people of God know how to justify generosity toward themselves and stinginess toward the church and her shepherds. The Lord rebukes His people for such sin through the prophet Haggai: "Then the word of the LORD came by Haggai the prophet, saying, 'Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses while this house lies desolate?'" (Haggai 1:3-4) On the other hand, there are hucksters in church leadership who love money more than they love the sheep. They refuse to shepherd for fear the tithes and offerings will dwindle. Pastor...2024-05-221h 36
Out of Our MindsUkraine & Geopolitics (Follow-up), Christian Nationalism, and MoreJürgen Von Hagen and Tim Bayly return to the studio and do some follow-up work on the war in Ukraine. Then they cover numerous other geopolitical, economic, and societal issues:Is America an empireLetters from listenersMilton Friedman and the welfare stateImmigration and skilled/unskilled laborWhat is the value of human life?Under the Third Reich, the United States barred Jews from immigrating hereImpact of American isolationism on the American economyTrade regimeChanges in the r...2024-05-071h 11
Out of Our MindsUkraine, Putin, and GeopoliticsRev. Dr. Jürgen von Hagen, the senior pastor of Free Evangelical Church in Mülheim an der Ruhr, Germany, and professor of economics at the University of Bonn, Germany, joins Rev. Bayly at the Michigan house for a free-ranging conversation on Ukraine, Putin, German church history, the European economy, and leadership.A quick summary of Jürgen's view: Putin won't be satisfied with Ukraine.Two books referenced in the show, both by Timothy Snyder:Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and StalinThe Road to Unfreedom: Russia, Europe, America***O...2024-04-201h 31
Out of Our MindsMoney at Home: marital conflict, stewardship, family size, education, marital freedomOut of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.2024-04-111h 38
Out of Our MindsA Few Good MenParachurch ministries, political causes, and entrepreneurial enterprises seduce good men away from giving their lives to the Church and her pastoral work. How do we attract young men to the work of the Church during the formative years of their lives? College professors successfully shape their students, often in perverse ways. Why do pastors lack a similar zeal? What must pastors do to identify and draw men into working with Christ's sheep? As mentioned in the show, please check out the Psalm setting by My Soul Among Lions. Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who S...2024-03-191h 35
Out of Our MindsThe Presumptuous ParachurchThe parachurch was an innovation of entrepreneurially-minded Christians during the twentieth century. They considered the Church to be old and in the way. Efficiency was the gospel need of the day, so cumbersome mechanisms like denominations, ordination, and church discipline were bypassed. Pastor Bayly and Andrew Henry discuss the rise of the parachurch, the glory of the Church, and how reforming the Church—with all its ugly but necessary division and doctrinal distinctions—is the genuine need of the day.Read Bayly's The Church ReformedOut of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they...2024-03-051h 01
Out of Our MindsTenth Presbyterian Church: What to learn about privacy and hiding abuseThe sins of abusers are heinous, but the sins of those who cover the sins of abusers are more heinous.For more on the scandal of Tenth Presbyterian Church, read this series on Warhorn Media.Scott Manetsch, Calvin's Company of Pastors: Pastoral Care and the Emerging Reformed Church.Richard Baxter on the sins of the eyes (pdf), taken from A Christian Directory.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2024-02-071h 10Out of Our MindsHow Silently, How SilentlyThis is a special Christmas episode of Out of Our Minds Podcast. It is a recording of "How Silently, How Silently, a parable about Jesus arriving in Wheaton on December 23rd, in a snowstorm. The story is found in Bayly,'s The Gospel Blimp (and other parables.Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge...2023-12-2426 min
Out of Our MindsChildren and danger (Part 2)Andrew Henry, Tim & Mary Lee Bayly continue their conversation on children and danger, turning in this episode to speak of the dangers of sexual sin. How do we keep our children safe from sexual predators? How do we stay vigilant and responsive, doing the necessary work of protecting the vulnerable? Why are we tempted to keep the peace in the face of the sin of sexual predators? Part 2 of 2. Listen to part 1 here. Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out...2023-12-211h 57
Out of Our MindsRepentance for abortion in China and America (pt. 2, Ensor interview)John Ensor (President of PassionLife), Ben Sulser (of Church of the King in Evansville, IN, and Ensor's son-in-law), and Tim Bayly continue their conversation on abortion. The first half of the conversation roamed afield as we discussed singleness, womanhood, manhood, abortion, being pro-life, preaching, and the Church. This half turns to abortion, specifically, beginning with the difference between the responses of Christians in China and Christians in Europe and America to preaching that opens up the guilt of abortion. We also discuss the criminalization of abortion, incrementalism vs. abolitionism, the "safety net" of Roe v. Wade, and co...2023-12-041h 19Out of Our MindsRaising daughters, singleness, and preaching on abortion (Part 1)John Ensor (President of PassionLife), Ben Sulser (of Church of the King in Evansville, IN, and Ensor's son-in-law), and Tim Bayly sat down and talked.We've broken the conversation into halves. This first half roams afield as we discuss singleness, womanhood, manhood, abortion, being pro-life, preaching, and the Church. The second half will be released next week and will turn to abortion, specifically, beginning with the difference between the responses of Christians in China and Christians in Europe and America to preaching that opens up the guilt of abortion. * * *PassionLife's mission is to...2023-11-2153 min
Out of Our MindsThe Christian Virtue of Saying NoIt is hard to say no in any context—especially to our children. Saying no is perceived as a denial of the power of God, a moralistic unkindness, or a lack of compassion. Regardless, we must be prepared to say no—as God does to us in His Word. In this episode of Out of Our Minds, Mary Lee Bayly joins her husband and our other fearless host, Andrew Henry. Along the way, they discuss the difficulty and importance of saying no to job opportunities, promotions, and our children's opportunities (music, sports, etc.). The "no" rooted in Chri...2023-10-141h 32
Out of Our MindsChildren and danger (Part 1)Our children are in danger everywhere, both outside and inside the home. Some parents are oblivious to physical dangers; others desire to wrap their children from head to toe in bubble wrap before they send them out to play. Overprotection can sissify children, especially boys. Negligence and foolish risk-taking can kill them. Life is precious and can end in a moment. That truth must factor into our parenting. Nevertheless, we must protect the ability of our children to learn wisdom by getting hurt.Physical dangers are not the only dangers our children face. Spiritual and sexual dangers...2023-09-251h 11
Out of Our MindsThe religion of Climate ChangePastor Tim sat down again with pastor and economist Jürgen von Hagen to discuss the religion of global warming. It is the nature of mankind to want to be involved in something big. What's bigger than acting to save the Earth? Yet, basing our actions and governmental policies on scientific models is a complicated venture. What does Scripture say about global warming? What is the solution to global warming? What is the greatest natural resource available? Should you leave your car running when you pop into the grocery store? Is God sovereign over global warming? What are the c...2023-09-121h 57
Out of Our MindsImmigration and refugees with guest Rev. Dr. Jürgen von HagenOut of Our Minds is back. Andrew Henry is our new co-host, but this episode Pastor Bayly is with Pastor Juergen Von Hagen and, because Tim and Juergen were up in Michigan, Andrew was not able to join them. Our subject is refugees, immigration, and migration.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in...2023-09-0150 minOut of Our MindsDoes it take a church to raise a child?Out of Our Minds is back with a new voice. Mr. Andrew Henry—entrepreneur, musician, and all-around curious man—will join Pastor Tim Bayly for the upcoming episodes. Sometime soon we'll have Mr. Henry introduce himself on the podcast.Today's episode answers, "Does it take a church to raise a child?" When parents enter new territory with teenagers, how can they teach their children to love the church? What could competent parents possibly need from the church in relation to their children?Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you inte...2023-08-161h 24Out of Our MindsConversion, not catharsisPastor Tim sat down again with pastor and economist Jürgen von Hagen to discuss the religion of global warming. It is the nature of mankind to want to be involved in something big. What's bigger than acting to save the Earth? Yet, basing our actions and governmental policies on scientific models is a complicated venture. What does Scripture say about global warming? What is the solution to global warming? What is the greatest natural resource available? Should you leave your car running when you pop into the grocery store? Is God sovereign over global warming? What are the c...2023-04-2044 minOut of Our MindsHow to preach, Part 2We continue our discussion of good preaching and we begin to get practical. You can read the whole funeral sermon we talked about here.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2023-02-0925 minOut of Our MindsHow to preach, Part 1What does it take to make a godly preacher? Pastors Tim and Jake begin to open it up with Nathan in this episode, the first in a four part series.Note: for anyone paying attention, we goofed and referred to the cathedral of Bonn, when we meant Cologne.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2023-01-1937 minOut of Our MindsHow to spot a fake leaderHow do you spot a fake leader? Out of Our Minds may be out of our minds, but we have some thoughts!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2023-01-0524 minOut of Our MindsWhen is submission not submission?A lot of people come to an understanding of biblical sex roles late in life. Sometimes, late in marriage. Sometimes, they haven't had it modeled for them by their own families or by the churches they come from. Sometimes their understanding of a wife's submission can be ... really wooden. So ... how can they not be like that? Aspiring pastors, check out New Geneva Academy!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-12-0137 min
Out of Our MindsTemptations pastors face (1)
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-10-0814 minOut of Our MindsAn interview with Father Bill MouserThe show is coming back on a regular basis soon, but meanwhile, here's a discussion on sexuality between Pastor Bayly and his old friend and comrade-in-arms, Father Bill Mouser. Find out more about Father Bill and his work here!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-09-151h 14Out of Our MindsThe Show Will Go OnHello! It's just a brief check in from Out of Our Minds and Pastor Tim Bayly to discuss the future of the show. After this we'll be off for at least the month of August. But stay tuned! There's more to come!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-07-2807 minOut of Our MindsThere is No Fear of God Before Their Eyes (part 2)Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. - James 1:2-4If your faith is being tested, hold on tight. It's a feature, not a bug.There is more Out of Our Minds Podcast coming at you soon! Stay tuned for future episodes with a new host.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-07-2143 minOut of Our MindsThere is No Fear of God Before Their Eyes (part 1)Last month, Tim Bayly resigned as the senior pastor of Trinity Reformed Church. It may come as a surprise to you if you’re not from our church, but it’s actually been in the works for many years. Tim and Mary Lee served this church faithfully for 25 years, and we threw a party to celebrate God’s goodness to us through their faithful service. This episode was recorded about a month ago, right after that party.This is the penultimate episode of the Out of Our Minds podcast in this format. That is to say, next week’s...2022-07-1453 minOut of Our MindsPastors Gotta Go For The HeartPastors are called by God to use everything at their disposal to point people to heaven. That means pastors have to lay it all out on the line for others. They have to go for the heart.If you haven't read it already, please check out Abortion and the Church from Evangel Presbytery.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-07-0756 minOut of Our MindsHow Should We Then Love? (part2)Real relationships are difficult, and rarely are there easy answers when conflict comes along. If your goal is to avoid relational conflict, then you don't actually have real relationships. In this episode, pastors Tim Bayly, Max Curell and yours truly will challenge you to love others in a way that is difficult and risky. It is the way.Don't forget to read and share Abortion and the Church!Other stuff mentioned in this podcast:The Grace of Shame by Tim Bayly is back on Amazon! Hoorah! But... we would be very grateful if you'd...2022-06-3049 minOut of Our MindsAbortion and the ChurchWe give thanks and praise to God for His kindness in leading the United States Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs. Wade. A battle has been won...But there is much work to do.In God's providence, the men of Evangel Presbytery began writing a document on abortion months ago. That document, Abortion and the Church, is now available online and in PDF form. Please read it!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-06-261h 10Out of Our MindsHow Should We Then Love? (part 1)I'm forty years old, and anyone my age and younger thinks we are superior because of our technical ability with every new gadget or app. But do we actually love others in the way that we use our technological tools? And are we even capable of meaningful, deep, loving relationships anymore?
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-06-2345 minOut of Our MindsThe Pearl of Great Price (or, Saying "No")All of us have choices we make in life. When have you said "no" to a good opportunity for the sake of your soul, or for the sake of those in your care?
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-06-161h 08Out of Our MindsOur Crisis of Authority, part 2This is the second half of our conversation about the crisis of authority in our culture, and one of the main points we make is about the connection between authority and responsibility. I love the way that Tim ends the conversation: don’t worry about restoring authority, just start taking responsibility for others. And it’s true! If you do that well, with love and humility, authority will be restored, to the glory of God.We put a lot of links in the show notes for the first half of this conversation, and we encourage you to t...2022-06-0947 minOut of Our MindsOur Crisis of Authority, part 1Today we are going to talk about the crisis of authority in our nation. Whether you’re talking about the president of the United States or dad in the home, you’d have to be living under a rock to miss the fact that there is a general breakdown of trust for those in authority all across our society.So how are we as Christians supposed to respond?Here are some links from our conversation:The Revolt of the PublicHow Politics Poisoned the Evangelical ChurchThe Grace of ShameIdols for DestructionNeil Post...2022-06-0255 minOut of Our MindsElon Musk is a Wuss (Justification, part 2)There’s always law and gospel. Elon Musk’s good news is that we can rescue the world from destruction through ingenuity and hard work.But it’s a lie, and Elon Musk is a wuss.God is the one with whom we have to do. You can judge God all you want, but in the end, he’s the one who will do the judging. The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether. God has judged us and found us wanting, but He has also provided a way of escape through His Son...2022-05-2651 minOut of Our MindsJordan Peterson is a Wuss (Justification, part 1)Today’s conversation is all about how you can be right with God. This is a topic that I chose because I think it’s so important. I see the whole red pill movement and Jordan Peterson and all that stuff as our culture waking up to our need for law. And compared to the insanity of critical theory and transgender ideology and all that rot, Jordan Peterson’s 12 rules for life sounds wonderful. Sane!But as pastor Max points out in the conversation, the law that Jordan Peterson or anyone else teaches cannot save y...2022-05-1955 minOut of Our MindsThe Future Of Our Fight For LifeThis is the second half of a conversation I had with Tim Bayly and Brian Bailey about the recently leaked Supreme Court opinion that would have the effect of overturning Roe vs. Wade if it actually stands when it is officially released. It's nothing short of a bombshell, and Christians need to understand where to go next.Read the draft opinion released by Politico.Tim's book, The Grace of Shame, has been censored by Amazon! You can purchase a copy here on Warhornmedia.com.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-05-1252 minOut of Our MindsCould Roe vs. Wade Be Overturned?Click here to read the full draft opinion leaked to Politico.We would be pleased never to link to Patheos due to the paganism and lies they publish, doing so religiously (so to speak). Still, this piece on the background of Justice Barrett and that background’s debt to author Stephen B. Clark is worth reading. Clark is the brother who wrote the book we recently reprinted, Man and Woman in Christ. I think the piece, then, is necessary background to what we should expect from Barrett’s work on SCOTUS. – TB
★ Support this podcast on Patreon 2022-05-1056 minOut of Our MindsIf You Delight In Your Children, You Will Discipline Your ChildrenThis is the second half of a conversation about children and discipline that I had with a group of ladies near and dear to my heart. That group includes my mother in law, Mary Lee Bayly, and her three daughters: Hannah Weeks, who is also my wife, and Michal Crum and Heather Ummel.In this episode, we talk about mommy guilt, the ins-and-outs of spanking, and about delighting in your children. There’s a lot of wisdom for both moms and dad here. Thanks for tuning in. I really hope you enjoy it.Mentioned in th...2022-05-0548 minOut of Our MindsA Mother's Perspective on the Discipline of ChildrenIn today's episode, I have a conversation about children and discipline with Mary Lee Bayly and her three daughters: Heather Ummel, Michal Crum and Hannah Weeks.Don’t forget to pick up a copy of The Helpful Marriage Book by Tim & Mary Lee Bayly!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-04-2852 minOut of Our MindsOlder Women Should Teach Younger WomenThis is the final part of our conversation about counseling with pastor Josh Knipp, and we spend the time talking about the importance of women in the work of counseling in the church. It is essential for older women to be committed to counseling younger women in the church!Don’t forget to pick up a copy of The Helpful Marriage Book by Tim & Mary Lee Bayly!We love feedback! Let us know what you think right here!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-04-2137 minOut of Our MindsWho is Competent to Counsel?Pastors Tim Bayly, Max Curell, Josh Knipp and yours truly tackle the question, "Who is competent to counsel?" Romans 15:14 gives a good answer to the question, but we hope, as the puritans used to say, to "improve the text" in this episode.Don't forget to pick up a copy of The Helpful Marriage Book by Tim & Mary Lee Bayly!Click here to let us know what you think about this episode! We always want to hear from our listeners.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-04-1447 minOut of Our MindsDe-Mystifying Counseling, part 1Letting Go of Anxiety, with Josh and Rachel KnippThe Closing of the American Mind, by Allan BloomAnd there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. - Hebrews 4:13
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-04-071h 02Out of Our MindsDiscipline Is About AuthorityDiscipline is only effective if you have real authority.We love to hear your feedback! Click here to let us know what you think!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-03-311h 15Out of Our MindsStrike Him With The RodDo not hold back discipline from the child, Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die.You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.- Proverbs 23:13-14
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-03-241h 28Out of Our MindsBirth Control, part 2Today, we circle back around and talk about birth control and contraceptives again. We got a little push back from the last episode, and so we hope to clarify, improve, and sharpen our teaching on this very important topic. As you’ll hear Tim say later in the podcast, there is nothing more sensitive in a marriage relationship than the question of whether or not to have another child.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-03-101h 32Out of Our MindsHelpful Marriage: True CompanionshipToday, we talk about companionship in marriage. Marriage is a mission, and a man and a wife cannot be two ships passing in the night if they hope to complete the mission with any success. Two ships passing in the night is not Christian Marriage. So today in our conversation, we try to give our listeners a vision of sweet companionship in Christian Marriage.The Helpful Marriage Conference is TOMORROW! Register now!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-03-031h 05Out of Our MindsHelpful Marriage: Birth ControlThe universal testimony of both Scripture and the Church through the ages has been to oppose the use of birth control. And yet, even the most conservative churches in our country have completely embraced it and consider child-bearing and contraception to simply be a question of stewardship. I hope our conversation today is challenging, helpful, informative… but mostly, I hope it strengthens your faith. There’s nothing quite so wonderful and scary as bringing a child into the world. It’s risky, and therefore terrifying. But God gives grace for the work, and there are joys you will never know a...2022-02-241h 32Out of Our MindsHelpful Marriage: Thus Isaac Was ComfortedWe live in a country where 50 shades of gray is released in the theaters on valentines day. This is the state of our understanding of love between a man and a woman. It's godless and loveless. And much of that thinking has seeped into the church.In today's episode, we talk about the beauty of marriage and of real intimacy. There is nothing more romantic than a man and a woman getting married, and raising a family together. I hope you enjoy the episode.Some helpful resources mentioned in today's podcast:Church Reformed, by...2022-02-171h 17Out of Our MindsHelpful Marriage: Preparing for MarriageYou can almost think of today’s episode as a bit of premarital counseling. My goal going into the conversation was to talk about the challenges of getting married and how young Christian couples will be different and stand out in their approach to marriage in a world gone mad. How does a young couple who wants to honor God with their sexuality approach marriage differently than everyone else?
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-02-101h 14Out of Our MindsHelpful Marriage: The Three Purposes of MarriageOur liturgy for a wedding is based on the marriage solemnization found in the 1549 Book of Common Prayer. It lists these three purposes for marriage:First, marriage is given for the mutual society, help, and comfort that man and wife should have from the other, both in prosperity and adversity. Second, marriage is given for the procreation of children, to be brought up in the fear and nurture of the Lord, and to the praise of God. Third, marriage is instituted as a remedy against sin, and to avoid fornication, so that those who are married might live...2022-02-031h 04Out of Our MindsRaising Teenagers, part 5Today's episode is the second half of the conversation we began last week, and it is our last installment of our current series on Teenagers. Today, we talk about practical issues, and that includes how to help your sons and daughters launch into adulthood after high school. It's not surprising that we discuss education and the life of the mind, but we end with a discussion about how to pass humility and faith to your children.Register now for the Helpful Marriage Conference!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-01-2757 minOut of Our MindsRaising Teenagers, part 4If you want to disciple your teenagers to love Jesus Christ, you have to train your girls to be women and your boys to be men. In other words, to live out our God-given sexuality is Christian discipleship. And yes, you will be persecuted for teaching Biblical sexuality to your children, and they – if they choose to pick up their cross and follow Jesus – will be persecuted for living it. But we cannot talk about raising teenagers without talking about teaching them to submit to God in regard to their sexuality.Register now for The Helpful Marriage Conf...2022-01-2048 minOut of Our MindsTeenagers, part 3Many Christian parents don't like the idea of a youth group at church. After all, isn't that where the kids get into all kinds of trouble? Isn't that where all the bad stuff happens? I mean… there are girls there.Well, hold your horses. We think youth groups, or whatever you want to call them, are good and necessary.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2022-01-1345 minOut of Our MindsThe Slaughter of the InnocentsThe Christmas story is beautiful and terrible - not just one or the other.2022-01-0753 minOut of Our MindsMerry Christmas!The conversation features African hyraxes, Christmas cows, and a discussion about how to lead your family on holy days. Merry Christmas!Mentioned in this episode: The Worship of the English Puritans by Horton DaviesRegister now for the Helpful Marriage Conference!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-12-2351 minOut of Our MindsTeenagers, part 2In today's episode, we continue our series about teenagers. It's tough to be a teenager. It's tough to raise a teenager! If you have a teenager in the house already and you feel like you're way behind, then I think there's some good stuff in here that will challenge and encourage you. I hope you enjoy it.Register now for the Helpful Marriage Conference, March 4-5, 2022!https://helpfulmarriage.com
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-12-1640 minOut of Our MindsTeenagers, part 1Being a teenager is tough, and it's easy for you as a parent to take your children - including your teenagers - for granted. Parents need to see it as their goal to help their teenagers launch into adulthood, and that means recognizing that this child will be out of your home before you know what happened.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-12-0959 minOut of Our MindsBe of the Same Mind, part 2What kind of peace can we expect to have in the world? In our church? Our family? Our marriage? I'll give you a hint: it begins with Jesus Christ.Join us for the Helpful Marriage Conference at the beautiful Indiana Landmarks Center in Indianapolis on March 4th & 5th, 2022! Register now at helpfulmarriage.com.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-12-0247 minOut of Our MindsBe of the Same Mind, part 1What does it mean for Christians to "be of the same mind with one another?"2021-11-1852 minOut of Our MindsDo your Work Heartily, as for the LordIn this episode, I push the men to discuss the distinction between working with your mind and working with your hands. And I do that, I think, because I feel some amount of guilt and shame over the fact that I am not especially good working with my hands.Many young Christian men are in the same boat.A guy like that is very susceptible to others who tell him that he has to hunt or build his own house or live on a farm if he’s going to...2021-11-1156 minOut of Our MindsBiblical Foundations for WorkResources mentioned in the show:Why Work? by Dorothy SayersWhen Fathers Ruled, by Steven OzmentCreated for Work: Practical Insights for Young Men, by Bob ShultzLeisure, the Basis of Culture, by Josef Pieper
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-11-0451 minOut of Our MindsOn Death and DyingDeath is an enemy. It's serious, and it's weighty. We shouldn't be glib or careless about it, but we should talk about it.Here are a few helpful resources:2015 Shepherds Conference Audio: The Last EnemyNotes, Scripture, and sayings on cremationPsalm 90
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-10-2848 minOut of Our MindsStatement on Conscience and COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates, Part 2The Statement on Conscience and COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates can be found here.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-10-2152 minOut of Our MindsStatement on Conscience and COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates, Part 1The session of Trinity Reformed Church in Bloomington, Indiana adopted a statement on conscience and COVID-19 vaccine mandates that was released on September 20, 2021. In this episode, Tim, Max and Lucas are joined by Joseph Bayly to talk through the statement.Read the statement here.Some references from the episode:Canadian military uses COVID-19 as an opportunity to test war-time propaganda techniques on its own citizens.Hunter Biden story that was squashed by the media
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-10-1449 minOut of Our MindsStatement on Sphere Authority, Worship, and COVID-19 Quarantines, part 2We continue our running commentary on Evangel Presbytery's statement on sphere authority. If you missed the first episode, you can find it here. Evangel Presbytery's statement can be found here.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-10-0745 minOut of Our MindsStatement on Sphere Authority, Worship, and COVID-19 Quarantines, Part 1We provide running commentary on Evangel Presbytery's statement on sphere authority. Evangel Presbytery's statement can be found here.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-09-301h 02Out of Our MindsCOVID And Freedom Of ConscienceWe believe that fellowship with other Christians in church and in small groups is central to our faith. Social distancing and mask mandates, however, make fellowship very difficult, and, at times, impossible. So what is a faithful Christian to do? Are we duty-bound to submit to the mandates, or to break them? Or… something else? It’s not an easy topic to unravel, but we do our best.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-09-2339 minOut of Our MindsCOVID And Our Anger Toward AuthorityCOVID has everyone on a short fuse, and we like to take out our anger on those in authority over us. That's not right.2021-09-1631 minOut of Our MindsCOVID And The Coming DarknessTitle a little dramatic? Yeah, it's true. But conservative Christians are terrified about COVID restrictions because they believe they are a harbinger of bad things to come. So today we try to address those fears and the visceral reaction to COVID laws on the part of conservatives in this country.Stuff mentioned in this episode:Is That A Fish In Your Ear?Salon article about Bible translationThe Domain of Providence Over the Passions of Men (Sermon by John Witherspoon, 1776)
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-09-0945 minOut of Our MindsNonviolent Communication (part 2)Don't forget to register now for the New Geneva Academy Shepherd's Conference!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-09-0247 minOut of Our MindsNonviolent CommunicationWe all live under the constant pressure to conform our way of thinking and speaking to the people around us. That's just a fact of life, and so it's not necessarily a bad thing. But it certainly can become a bad thing when that pressure to conform attempts to silence the Christian conscience. The most difficult thing is to open your mouth and speak.Join us for the conversation. We hope you'll be strengthened for the fight!Don't forget to register now for the New Geneva Academy Shepherd's Conference!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-08-2646 minOut of Our MindsBlessed Are The PeacemakersConflict is inevitable in this world of sin. It just is. If you understand that, then you’ll be able to understand that a godly man’s goal in conflict is to bring peace. Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” A peacemaker is not a man who has flowers in his hair. A peacemaker is a man who has mud on his face and blood on his shirt because he’s been doing the hard work of making peace.Don't forget to register now for the New Geneva Academy Shepherd's...2021-08-1945 minOut of Our MindsWhat Makes a Man Pugnacious?Scripture teaches that church elders should not be pugnacious. But what is the difference between a good soldier for Jesus Christ and a pugnacious man? Listen to find out.Also, the New Geneva Academy Shepherds conference titled The Good Soldier is on October 6th and 7th! Register now!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-08-1241 minOut of Our MindsYoung Men Need Examples to FollowToday we continue the conversation we started last week about young men and zeal. Young men need to have their zeal directed by older men, and one way to do that is by giving young men examples to follow. So today, we talk about the kind of man young, zealous men should aspire to be like.Register Now for the New Geneva Academy Shepherds Conference on October 6th & 7th!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-08-0531 minOut of Our MindsYoung Men are Rocket ShipsYoung men are rocket ships. If the ship isn't pointed in the right direction, disaster will ensue. So how do you get young men pointed in the right direction?Register Now for the New Geneva Academy Shepherds conference!
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-07-2943 minOut of Our MindsPastors are Supposed to Make JudgementsDo you expect your pastor to make judgements about you? We would have no hesitation in saying "yes" to the question if we were talking about a doctor or a football coach of a piano instructor. We want those people in our lives because we want them to form us. We want the doctor to accurately diagnose our diseases and help us be healthy.But we are unwilling to receive the same kind of treatment from a pastor. And, the truth is, many pastors don’t even believe they are supposed to make a di...2021-07-2228 minOut of Our MindsTruth and a Happy HeartPreachers during the Second Great Awakening used emotional manipulation to "convert" the masses, and Reformed pastors have been leery ever since then about appeals to emotion. But a pastor must preach to both the mind and the heart. In the Reformed world, we place a very strong emphasis on truth and doctrine, and that’s all to the good… unless we become tin men who are incapable of actually loving another human being.As you listen to this conversation, you’ll notice that we spend a lot of time talking about sexuality (which, if you know us at all...2021-07-1534 minOut of Our MindsAt the Highest Pitch of ExpressionHebrews 13 reminds us that our pastors have the awful responsibility of watching over our souls. One day, they will give an account to God for their work. That’s a scary thought. Many pastors downplay their position as a pastor to try to get the perks of the job without feeling the weight or the pain of it. We begin our conversation today by talking about one of the ways pastors hide their authority and avoid taking responsibility for their people. This leads us to a discussion about Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, and Pastor Bayly opens up for us why Solzhenitsyn wa...2021-07-0859 minOut of Our MindsFaithful Worship, Faithful PreachingToday’s episode is a continuation of the discussion we had last week about Christian worship. There’s interplay that always exists on a Sunday morning between the worship and the preaching. Does faithful preaching lead to faithful worship, or vice versa? How about both?Here are a few resources mentioned during this episode and the last:The Burden of Change, by John FramePreaching As Though We Had EnemiesTraditional and Modern CarolsThe Psalms of David
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-07-0129 minOut of Our MindsYou're Supposed to Sing!Today we turn our attention to music and worship. Music is powerful. It moves our emotions and shapes our desires, and these are not secondary things for a Christian. Just like our minds need instruction, our hearts and wills need to be directed. The songs we sing in church, therefore, just like the preaching of the Word, should be aimed at the people in the pews.Here are a few resources mentioned during the podcast:The Burden of Change, by John FramePreaching As Though We Had EnemiesTraditional and Modern CarolsThe Psalms of David
★ Support this podcast on...2021-06-2437 minOut of Our MindsA Christian's Life of RepentancePastor Jody Killingsworth joined us to continue our discussion of the Evangelical church. The pastors on this show all serve at Trinity Reformed Church, an Evangelical church here in Bloomington, Indiana. We are unapologetically, unequivocally, Evangelical. And yet, we’ve found that we’re a bit of a culture shock for many evangelicals visiting us for the first time. I asked our pastors why, and that led to a discussion about repentance and grace and what it means to be a boringly normal Christian.Revival and Revivalism, by Iain MurrayThe Old Evangelicalism, by Iain MurrayMartin Luther's Commentary on Gala...2021-06-1729 minOut of Our MindsThe Evangelical Church: Where Are We Today?Welcome everyone! Thanks for joining us on our very first episode of the Out of Our Minds Podcast! We sat down together to test out our equipment, but instead, we hit the record button and launched into a discussion about the state of the Evangelical Church in America today. We talked about J. Oliver Buswell, the parachurch, the halfway covenant, preaching to the conscience, and how to help our children see their own sin.
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
2021-06-071h 15