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Beyond the VowComments made at Penns Creek CampIn this 81st episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss some controversial comments made during the Penns Creek Camp hosted by the God's Missionary Church denomination.
2025-08-041h 14Beyond the VowRelearning Desire: The Slow work of FreedomIn this 80th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle conclude their three-part series, "Sacred & Scarred: Reclaiming Sex After Religious Shame". Discussed in this episode, can we relearn desire despite past shame, trauma, and other factors?
2025-07-2153 minBeyond the VowThe Undefiled Bed: But what does that even mean?In this 79th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss Hebrews 13:4 and what a true undefiled marriage bed consists of. Do we understand what true intimacy is? Do we truly understand how to be vulnerable with our spouse? All of this and more in this episode!
2025-06-231h 10Beyond the VowTaught to Be Pure, But Not to Be CloseIn this Episode of Beyond the Vow, we discuss how we were told to wait, but we were never told how to enjoy. Let’s talk about what the CHM taught us about sex and what it left out. This is the first of a 3-part series that we are doing for our"Reclaiming Sex After Religious Shame" series.
2025-06-161h 16Beyond the VowOvercoming Spiritual AnxietyIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss overcoming Spiritual Anxiety. Do you question your salvation? Do you feel the constant drive to keep doing more because it's never enough? Can you truly know that you are saved regardless of your feelings? We discuss all of this and more!
2025-06-091h 27Beyond the VowMinistry burnout and the pressure to keep goingIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss exhaustion (burnout) that claims pastors and church workers alike. Should we feel pressured to keep going? Should we pace ourselves? Should we set boundaries?
2025-03-211h 24Beyond the VowRecap of 2024 and UpdatesIn this first episode of 2025, Nick and Janelle are back from the Holidays and discuss everything that has occurred in the past couple of months including some updates and future plans.
2025-02-2846 minBeyond the VowThe Cycle of Deprogramming from the CHMIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the deprogramming period after leaving the CHM. New (non-CHM) churches can feel strange, and we may feel guilt and loneliness. How do we adjust and how long does it take?
2024-11-261h 02Beyond the VowElection reaction and a Life changeIn this episode, Nick and Janelle discuss a major change with Janelle's job, a recap of the election, and trusting God when things don't go your way.
2024-11-0858 minBeyond the VowThe Manual and the StraitjacketIn this 72nd podcast episode, Nick and Janelle discuss their move to KY, fertility, and Dan Stetler's comments at the 2024 World Changers Conference held at Union Bible College.
2024-11-011h 33Beyond the VowHow would Jesus Vote?In this 71st episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss how Christians should handle politics by looking at the early church. Is the party greater than the Bible? How should we vote?
2024-08-161h 00Beyond the VowJoin the denomination, or lose your kids!In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss some recent comments made by Rev. Jeremy Fuller at the Midwest Pilgrim Camp. To prevent your children from becoming worldly or falling into sin, should you join the church or denomination?
2024-07-121h 25Beyond the VowAnxiety - The what, the When, and the AnswerIn this 69th Podcast episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the crippling effects of Anxiety. Do Christians experience anxiety? What caused it and how do we deal with it?
2024-06-151h 13Beyond the VowJob change, life updates and Trusting GodIn this 68th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss how busy they have been recently, a job change for Nick, and the importance of trusting God even when we don't have all the answers.
2024-06-0738 minBeyond the VowJanelle's fertility procedureIn this 67th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the details and results of Janelle's fertility procedure.
2024-05-1047 minBeyond the VowInterview with Ex-Member of The Church of God RestorationIn this 66th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle interview Stephen Nathaniel, a former member of the Church of God Restoration cult. Some of what he shares is heartbreaking and sheds light on some of the terrible things that are happening behind the closed doors of this cult.
2024-05-031h 25Beyond the VowUpcoming Guest announcement, Fertility Update and moreIn this 65th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle announce an upcoming interview with a former member of the Church of God (Restoration) cult. We also discuss an update on our fertility journey, and we talk about trusting God's process even when things don't go quite the way we want them to.
2024-04-2651 minBeyond the VowCult Profiles - Church of God (Restoration)In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle kick off a new series called "Cult Profiles". In this series, we begin by looking at the "Church of God (Restoration)" and its leader, Ray Tinsman. We analyze their beliefs and compare them to the word of God. Is it a cult? You will be shocked by some of their teachings.
2024-04-201h 27Beyond the VowThe Hyper-Sexualization of men in the CHMIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the hyper-sexualization of men in the CHM. From birth, an extreme focus is placed on what women and girls wear in the CHM. We discuss how this affects Christian marriage and the well-being of a man.
2024-04-121h 27Beyond the VowElizabeth Ferguson - Growing up around the CHMIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle talk with Elizabeth Ferguson concerning her experiences with the CHM.
2024-04-041h 13Beyond the VowFertility Update, Easter, and other things.In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss an update on their fertility journey, Nick's Blood Pressure, Easter, and other items. We should be getting back into a normal routine thankfully!
2024-04-0150 minBeyond the VowVacation, Chick Tracts, and Comic Booksin this 60th Episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle talk about their cruise vacation, Chick tracts, comic books in the CHM, and more!
2024-03-0854 minBeyond the VowWhy do they keep doing this?Did you know that if you attend a church other than a Holiness church, you won't grow and will backslide? In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss comments made by various ministers at the Preacher/Laymen convention held by the ICHA (International Conservative Holiness Association) this week. We cover this and other comments that will leave you scratching your head.
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Beyond the VowInterview: Daniel Ferguson Part 2 - Bill Gothard, Christian Education and moreIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, we continue our interview with Daniel. We discuss Christian Education, Bill Gothard, and more from his upbringing within a Pentecostal Holiness Church.
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Beyond the VowGuest Interview: Daniel Ferguson - Growing up in a Pentecostal Holiness Church Part 1In this 57th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle welcome Daniel and Elizabeth Ferguson onto the podcast. We discuss Daniel's childhood being raised in a Pentecostal Holiness church in WV, as well as some of the extreme views that were taught.
2024-02-151h 01Beyond the VowWhy Nick left the CHMIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick discusses his reasons as to why he left the CHM. Janelle also shares some fertility updates.
2024-02-041h 30Beyond the VowStories from a pastors kidIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss growing up as pastors kids, their time attending the IHC (Interchurch Holiness Convention), and some funny as well as serious church stories from their childhood.
2024-01-241h 09Beyond the VowTesting the doctrine of the CHMIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the importance of testing what we believe in. Scripture says we should test all things so that we can "hold on to what is good". Should we hold on to tradition just because it's what we've always done? What if the Bible teaches otherwise?
2024-01-071h 15Beyond the VowWe have a HopeIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the passing of Nicks's Dad, the grief, the vulnerability, and the ultimate hope that we have as Believers.
2023-12-1559 minBeyond the VowCan you be trusted to discern the Holy Spirit?In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss their recovery from Covid, refrigerator problems, fertility progress, and a recent comment made by someone within the CHM that church members cannot be expected to discern the Holy Spirit. All this and more in this week's podcast!
2023-12-051h 22Beyond the VowHijacking our biblical HeritageIn this episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle analyze what our Godly heritage consists of. Is it biblical or is it burdened with the personal convictions of man? Will we be cursed if we "move the old landmarks"? We listen to sermons by Judy Williams and Archie Atwell, as we compare them with scripture to better understand our true biblical heritage.
2023-11-071h 03Beyond the VowGod is MORE than the CHMIn this 50th episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle discuss recent comments by Rev. James Plank concerning those who have backslidden from the Conservative Holiness Movement. We also compare these comments with scripture to see if they hold true and discuss the importance of preaching Biblical doctrine vs Personal conviction.
2023-10-311h 08Beyond the VowAn update on Dads conditionIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle talk about Nick's dad and all the ups and downs. Keep praying because your prayers are working!
2023-10-1537 minBeyond the VowSanctification: Thunder and Lightning or Slow and Steady?In this 48th episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle discuss the doctrine of Sanctification. We look back on the words of John Wesley, and W.B. Godbey, as well as recent sermons, and articles on the subject from Josh Davis (Future Pastors Conference), GBS President Rodney Loper, and GBS Professor Phillip Brown. Is the Thunder and lightning experience of Sanctification the only way or is there another path that we hear preached on far less...
2023-09-2957 minBeyond the VowThe Auburn revival, The Survey results, and Life Savers for JesusIn this 47th episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle discuss the results from the survey, the outbreak of revival at Auburn University, the gospel according to Life Savers and other topics.
2023-09-191h 04Beyond the VowA Discussion on True HolinessIn this 46th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the true definition of Holiness, how it should be applied to our lives, and how it has been misrepresented in some religious circles.
2023-09-021h 44Beyond the VowTecumseh and the Dayton Air Force BaseIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss their recent visit to the Tecumseh outdoor drama, their visit to the Dayton Air Force Base, and the future direction of the podcast.
2023-08-261h 11Beyond the VowWhy are people leaving the church?In this 44th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss America's ever-shrinking church congregations. Why are Christians leaving the church? Why isn't the church growing? Why isn't the church impacting as much as it should? All this and more in this episode of Beyond the Vow!
2023-08-1155 minBeyond the VowShowing others the love of ChristIn this 43rd episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss a recent story shared by Janelle's mother, and we also discuss our responsibility as Christians to exhibit the love of Christ towards others and some clever ways of doing this! You can find us on Facebook; we would love to hear from you!
2023-07-2840 minBeyond the VowNarcissistic behavior within the churchIn this 42nd episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the problem of Narcissists who are in positions of leadership within the church. Immense damage can be done by these individuals leading to the abuse of the congregation as well as the destruction of the church in some cases. Can we identify these individuals, what makes them so prevalent in the church and what should we do about them?
2023-07-141h 02Beyond the VowLeaving the CHM, and the challenges that follow...In this 41st episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle talk about some of the challenges that you might expect to encounter if you decide to leave the CHM. Contrary to some, there IS life beyond the CHM!
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2023-07-041h 00Beyond the VowWhat is going on in Russia? Wagner, Putin, the military coup and moreIn this 40th episode of Beyond the Vow, we discuss the deteriorating situation in Russia between Yevgeny Prigozhin and Putin, the Wagner Military group's advance on Moscow, and the possible implications this could have on the arrival of an Anti-Christ individual in Biblical prophecy.
2023-06-2424 minBeyond the VowThe Ring and the Conservative Holiness Movement.In this 39th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle examine some of the thought processes behind the ban on wedding rings within the Conservative Holiness Movement (CHM). The ring has been a point of contention. We examine a book by Dr. Dale Yocum, "On Pleasing the Heavenly Bridegroom," and its influence on some of the thinking behind the stand taken on rings within the CHM. Our goal with this episode is not to force a view on anyone but to provide and highlight information that we have found, as well as some of the teachings from the...
2023-06-161h 36Beyond the VowThe Public School System - Education or Indoctrination?In this 38th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle talk about some of the subjects being taught within the public school system, including ideas concerning Transgender identity, as well as other LGBTQ ideas even being taught in some kindergartens. We look at what the Bible says about these topics and how these issues led up to the flood in Genesis.
2023-06-1057 minBeyond the VowConservative Moms and their negative impact on MasculinityIn this 37th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss an article written by Pastor Peter Jones and his theory that Conservative women may not necessarily be living as God intended them to live. He presents the idea that they can be deceptive by presenting a false image of humility and submission to the public, but at home, in private, they are actually the opposite, and he thinks this can both stunt the masculinity of their boys as they grow and their husbands.
2023-05-311h 10Beyond the VowThe War on HistoryIn this 36th episode of "Beyond the Vow," Nick and Janelle discuss the "woke" culture and its war on history and the reversal of roles. We also discuss the importance of taking a stand with regards to issues outside and within the church.
2023-05-221h 00Beyond the VowEvidence for the ExodusIn this 35th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss Artificial Intelligence, and its impact on education, the church, and the music industry. We also discuss recently discovered evidence supporting the biblical account of the Red Sea crossing in Exodus. We hope you can join us!
2023-05-0555 minBeyond the VowIn everything, give thanksIn this 34th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss how the lack of gratitude can affect friendships, marriages, and even our spiritual walk with God.
2023-04-2846 minBeyond the VowModesty and the Conservative Holiness MovementIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle examine Deuteronomy 22:5. This passage is commonly referred to by those in the Conservative Holiness Movement (CHM) as the foundation for modesty standards in the CHM. We dive into this text to examine who it was written for, when, and why it was written.
2023-04-211h 21Beyond the VowThe religious bubble of the Conservative Holiness Movement, Dylan Mulvaney, and more.In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the dangers of religious isolation within the Conservative Holiness Movement (CHM), the Dylan Mulvaney controversy, a new guitar, our crazy dogs, and more!
2023-04-141h 07Beyond the VowHysteria vs the Holy Spirit in the churchIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss how worship in the early church compares to the modern day as well as some really strange incidents that have taken place in recent services, all under the umbrella of "worship." Are these true expressions of the movement of the Holy Spirit, or is it manipulation and, in some situations, a spirit that is not of God? We also discuss nicks new "hairstyle", Sweetwater, etc. We hope you enjoy it!
2023-04-071h 17Beyond the VowModeling a proper response to life’s challengesIn this 30th episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle discuss how our responses serve as a way of teaching our kids and others, how to react to situations in work, marriage, the church, and life in general. What if we find ourselves in a certain place, but wish for something else? Do we panic? Do we get angry? Do we find a solution? Do we allow ourselves to be defeated? We discuss this and more!
2023-03-311h 04Beyond the VowSo, Janelle had a procedure...In this 29th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle give an update on their fertility struggles and Janelle discusses her recent "awkward" procedure. We also discuss "Baby boxes".
2023-03-2238 minBeyond the VowLearning to relax (fertility update)In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss an update concerning their fertility, relaxing and enjoying the journey both spiritually and with fertility, and the Silicon Valley Bank collapse.
2023-03-1458 minBeyond the VowDealing with negative peopleIn this 27th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss 12 tips for dealing with negative people, as well as an update on their fertility struggles.
2023-03-0755 minBeyond the VowOur fertility struggles, the Asbury revival, junk journaling, and moreIn this 26th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss their struggles with fertility, Janelle's love for junk journaling, the Asbury revival, and more. Life is full of ups and down's but through it all, God is able to get us through!
2023-02-211h 00Beyond the VowJohn Wesley, Perry Stone, and the need for transparency and boundries within marriageIn this 25th episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss the importance of having boundries within marriage with a focus on John Wesley, Perry Stone, and others. We must make sure we never sacrifice our family on the altar of ministry.
2023-02-0756 minBeyond the VowBethel Church and the Word of Faith MovementIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle examine Bethel Church and the Word of Faith Movement or as its also known, "The New Apostolic Reformation". We examine the affiliation that Bethel Church has with the Word of Faith Movement and how the Word of Faith Movement was founded. We also discuss some of the music that Bethel produces. If the music from Bethel is "Holy" and "Doctrinally sound" then should we listen to it even if Bethel is not?
2023-01-311h 22Beyond the VowFaith buildersIn this 23rd episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss "faith builders" which are events that strengthen our faith in God. Nick discusses a few of these events from his own past as well as how God has helped him overcome some negative experiences.
2023-01-2448 minBeyond the VowAn early understanding of sex in the CHM (Part 2)In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss "Heart talks to Girls" a book written by Julia Shelhamer around the 1930's. This book has played a part in providing an idea of what an early understanding of sex for girls was like within the conservative holiness movement (CHM) and the lasting influence that this book and others like it, have had to this day.
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Beyond the VowExamining Shelhamers claims concerning the AsylumsIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle dig a bit deeper into some of the claims that E. E. Shelhamer made in his book, "Heart Talks to Boys" (which we covered in our last episode). Along the way we discuss his claim concerning 100,000 boys being sent to the insane asylum annually, as well as some of the documented early claims for why you could legitimately be sent to the insane asylum. We also look at some of the early treatments for patients within the asylums.
2023-01-101h 00Beyond the VowAn early understanding of sex in the CHM (Part 1)In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss "Heart talks to Boys" a book written by E.E. Shelhamer around the 1930's. This book has played a part in providing an idea of what an early understanding of sex was like within the conservative holiness movement (CHM) and the lasting influence that this book and others like it, have had to this day.
2023-01-061h 20Beyond the VowDealing with emotional trauma in the church, in the home, and in relationships.In this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle examine the effects of emotional trauma. The three areas we discuss are the home, personal relationships and the church with a focus on the Conservative Holiness Movement (CHM). Are we able to overcome this trauma and is Satan using this trauma to hinder our potential as Christians? We discuss this and more in this 19th episode of Beyond the Vow.
2023-01-031h 03Beyond the Vow"Uncomplicating" relationships and the churchIn this episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle discuss topics that both directly affect personal relationships and the church. Santification, character flaws, and judgemental behavior are just a few of the topics discussed.
2022-12-301h 03Beyond the VowDoes 1 Timothy 2:9 ban the wearing of wedding bands and other jewelry?In this episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle examine a widely held belief in the Conservative Holiness Movement (CHM), that the wearing of jewelry and wedding bands in particular, is sinful and banned according to scripture. 1 Timothy 2:9 is one such verse used to support this view in the CHM. Does the verse truly ban jewelry or if we dig deeper, does it mean something else?
2022-12-271h 14Beyond the VowDid other cultures know about the birth and death of Christ?In todays episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss a period of time during the Han dynasty in China. Did the Chinese know about the birth and death of Christ, and did they also worship God? All this and more in this episode of "Beyond the Vow"!
2022-12-2353 minBeyond the VowTalking points for CouplesIn this Episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle examine "Talking points for Couples". This is a series of 200 topics centered around certain categories so a a couple can get to know themselves better. On a roadtrip, or enjoying an evening at home together? These might be for you! Join us as we cover a few of these topics and enjoy a few laughs along with a side of serious conversation in this episode of Beyond the Vow!
2022-12-2059 minBeyond the VowA review of the Bible Methodist Connection. True Growth?In this episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle discuss the Bible Methodist Connection, the InterChurch Holiness Convention (IHC) and some of the conservative colleges in the Conservative Holiness (CHM) movement. If the CHM is having so many problems, then why are these areas of the CHM growing? All this and more in this episode of "Beyond the Vow"!
2022-12-1358 minBeyond the VowA house divided...In this episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle discuss the concept of "two becoming one" including the combining of finances, unification of faith, the meshing of family traditions... and everything in between.
2022-12-091h 03Beyond the VowTopics for building Christian Intimacy!In this episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle share some conversation topics for building Christian intimacy within the marriage. Grab your significant other, some coffee, and follow along to see what you might learn about YOUR spouse!
2022-12-0752 minBeyond the VowDealing with nasty people in the school, workplace, and church.Have you ever dealt with nasty people? Have you ever held a grudge because of how you were treated in the past? In this episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle discuss some tough situations that they went through, what they learned as a result of experiencing these situations, and what the Bible says when dealing with "nasty" people.
2022-12-0156 minBeyond the VowEmotion, Mental Health, and the CHM (Conservative Holiness Movement)In this episode of "Beyond the Vow", Nick and Janelle discuss the CHM and how it deals with mental health and emotions. We touch a bit on sanctfication (to be discussed further in a future episode) and the misunderstandings that tends to exist in the CHM concerning these various topics. We hope you enjoy!
2022-11-2948 minBeyond the Vow"Did you know?" Thanksgiving Edition!In this lighthearted edition of "Beyond the Vow", we discuss 12 little known "Did you know" facts about Thanksgiving! Come along and join us on this hilarious episode and maybe you'll learn a thing or two (or maybe not but you could still laugh with us... or at us)!
2022-11-2432 minBeyond the VowSex, Virginity, and the CHM (Conservative Holiness Movement)In this episode of Beyond the Vow, we discuss the topics of Sex, Virginity, and how our upbringing within the Conservative Holiness movement (CHM) impacted these topics.
2022-11-2259 minBeyond the VowThe Conservative Holiness Movement... The illness and the cureIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, we discuss some of the problems facing the Conservative Holiness Movement (CHM) and what can be done to remedy them. We also discuss our past experiences growing up in the various CHM churches we attended, and situations/people that we encountered which made a lasting impact.
2022-11-191h 05Beyond the VowThe BAD kids!In this episode, we discuss just how embarrassing and rotten kids can be at times and we were no exception... and PRAYING our kids don't turn out like us! We also touch on our current weight loss journey! Come along for the ride!
2022-11-1657 minBeyond the VowFinding the middle ground!In this episode of "Beyond the Vow", we discuss the adjustments and changes that took place between us after we were married as well as compromises that were made. We discuss a traumatic event from Nicks past, Janelles adjustments to moving to Southern Ohio, and more. A marriage with God as its foundation, will withstand the storms and trials that are sure to come!
2022-11-1153 minBeyond the VowThe bliss and carnage of Pet ownership!In this episode of Beyond the Vow, we discuss our 2 German Shepherds, our 2 cats, and how they came to be a part of our family! We also discuss the "joys" of potty training, behavioral training, picking the right cat from a local shelter, and much more! Come join us!
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2022-11-0950 minBeyond the VowThe MOVE!In this crazy episode, we talk plumbing problems including Hagrid the plumber, a love for Bucky's gas station, our misadventures trying to buy a home, the move from Indiana, and much MUCH more!
2022-11-0454 minBeyond the VowDating and Love LanguagesIn this episode of Beyond the Vow, Nick and Janelle discuss a little bit more about their dating days, as well as the importance of understanding Love Languages.
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Beyond the VowThe BeginningOn this first episode of "Beyond the Vow", we discuss a little bit about how we met and the pros and cons of dating sites! Are we for them, or are we against them? Find out in this opening episode!
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