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The Not Perfect Networking Podcast7. The Business Karma of Connection with Vicky BoudreauWhat happens when you lead with curiosity, ask bold questions, and build empires from authentic relationships? Vicky Boudreau, the powerhouse behind PR firm bicom and now the tech platform Heylist, joins us to talk about networking with heart—and how it’s fueled every chapter of her entrepreneurial journey.Vicky, CEO & Founder of Heylist, leads a tech marvel revolutionizing influencer marketing, empowering creators to monetize content. With a seasoned background in PR & Marketing, Vicky champions democratizing influencer marketing, ensuring broad access to the expanding creator economy. Alongside co-founders Alex & Nico, Vicky fosters innovation and inclusivity at He...2025-04-2333 min
Out 'N AboutATL EP01 - Nico to NiccoNiccomedow Justice Anan joins ONA as the first ‘Nicco’ to sit down with me on the podcast. We talk about everything from golf to Human Centipede. Instagram: @niccoanan 2023-06-1448 min
Out 'N AboutPC LifDEEZ EP09 - Mountain MunchiesRound table sit down with the boys. Topics: Dehydration Northpole, Alaska Ohio Surfing Scary shit Tattoos and piercings Sleep Beer Lebron James College sports Passion Past illnesses Carter Stevens F1 Instagram Milk Carnivore diet Superbowl bet Waste Management Open Recent NBA trades Hockey Next season’s moves Nepal Machu Pi...2023-02-132h 31
Out 'N AboutPC LifDEEZ EP08 - Cliff Jumpin' with Griffin DonovanGriffin Donovan is a 22-year-old Lift Operator hailing from Springfield, Massachusets. A daredevil at heart, Daddy Donovan, as the locals refer to him, is part of a group of high-altitude cliff jumpers on the east coast, high altitude being 40-90 feet. We’ve only known each other for a couple of months but I love this man like a brother. Check out his stache on his OnlyGrams in the links below. Season 1 - Park City, Utah This season’s adventure takes place in Park City, Utah, where I’m working as a Liftee (lift op...2023-02-051h 30
Out 'N AboutPC LifDEEZ - Freestylin' with Patrick BayPatrick Bay is a lift operator from Provo, Utah, but he’s so much more than that. A pre-award-winning rapper, movie enthusiast, avid snowboarder, former Morman, deep thinker, and most importantly, my great friend, Patrick Bay is a metaphorical onion. Take a listen as I peel back the layers. Season 1 - Park City, Utah This season’s adventure takes place in Park City, Utah, where I’m working as a Liftee (lift operator) on the largest ski resort in North America. I came out here in order to learn how to snowboard and forge connections that w...2023-02-021h 34
Out 'N AboutPC LifDEEZ - Mountain Munchies with B Layden and Hartwell Shaw Nico’s first black and double black runs Anger on the mountain Brandon’s pre-loss shit talk for the Giants-Eagles game College loyalties Cocaine? Manti T’eo Spicy food Contagious laughter Snow injuries Movies Tom Brady This season’s adventure takes place in Park City, Utah, where I’m working as a Liftee (lift operator) on the largest ski resort in North America. I came out here in order to learn how to snowboard and forge connections that will last a lifetime. My hope, as always, is that if I stay open to it, life will present me with opportunit...2023-01-251h 10
Out 'N AboutKrevlar with Andrew KnowlesIn part 4 of our ATLiens series, I get to talk to Andrew Samantha Knowles, a snowboarding mountain climber who hopes to get certified in both scuba and sky diving. He is working as a fellow lift operator, using his ride breaks to ensure he can hit a 720 triple Mcnasty something by the end of the season. Krevlar? You bet your sweet ass he does. Season 1 - Park City, Utah This season’s adventure takes place in Park City, Utah, where I’m working as a Liftee (lift operator) on the largest ski resort in Nor...2023-01-201h 58
Out 'N AboutPC LifDEEZ - Full Send with Brandon LaydenBrandon Layden is a snowboarding legend originally from Long Island, but he grew up in the suburbs of Atlanta. In part 4 of my ATLiens series, Brandon and I swap stories from our youth, discuss the emotional and physical ups and downs of snowboarding and life in general, and look into the future. Brandon is a robot. Brandon has a robot vagina. Season 1 - Park City, Utah This season’s adventure takes place in Park City, Utah, where I’m working as a Liftee (lift operator) on the largest ski resort in North America. I came out...2023-01-172h 37
Out 'N AboutPC LifDEEZ EP03 - Hartwell Abbot ShawComing in from Atlanta at 6 feet, 8 inches, 110 pounds, Hartwell Abbot Shaw is a naturally gifted snowboarder, creative business owner, and human fart volcano. He also has one of the most positive vibes of any person I've met in my 28 years and I'm stoked to have him as a friend. This season’s adventure takes place in Park City, Utah, where I’m working as a Liftee (lift operator) on the largest ski resort in North America. I came out here in order to learn how to snowboard and forge connections that will last a lifetime. My ho...2023-01-141h 30
Out 'N AboutPC LifDEEZ EP02 - J1Bs with Parker TrosperParker Colleen Trosper is a ski instructor hailing from Fairbanks, Alaska. He is my roommate that comes in between 2 and 4 every morning, regardless of early-morning shifts. Also, he contributes anywhere from 33-95% of the horrendous odor of sweaty socks and dead rodents that plagues our room. Parker enjoys cold beer, keeping a sub-500 record at the apartment pool table, and attending Latin Night at the local watering hole. This season’s adventure takes place in Park City, Utah, where I’m working as a Liftee (lift operator) on the largest ski resort in North America. I came...2023-01-121h 15
Out 'N AboutPC LifDEEZ - Sin Duda with Jacob CotnerJacob Cotner is a 19-year-old lift operator from Atlanta, Georgia. He came here to shred pow and learn somewhere in the range of 10 to 20 Spanish phrases that will garner him enough street cred to, one day, own and operate his very own hybrid snowboard/break dance/pastry shop, Sin Duda. This season’s adventure takes place in Park City, Utah, where I’m working as a Liftee (lift operator) on the largest ski resort in North America. I came out here in order to learn how to snowboard and forge connections that will last a lifet...2023-01-101h 33
Out 'N AboutPlanes, Trains, and a Week in PurgatoryIt seems like it’s been a lifetime since our last podcast. In the last 10 days, we began to take on water, lost our deckhand, saw the SS Ric Flair sink to the bottom of the ocean, and saw ourselves stranded in Raleigh, North Carolina. After an incredible 5 weeks of travel, the universe decided to take a steamer on our chests, effectively ending the trip. Tune in to catch the chaos that was the last 10 days of the SS Ric Flair. Links to resources: Spongebob Squarepants Netflix Planes, Trains, and Automobiles Ap...2020-09-2100 min
Out 'N AboutDC on 9/11The theme of the day is jerseys is patriotism. The crew finds ourselves in the nation’s capital on the 19th anniversary of the 2001 terrorist attacks that rocked the nation. Our road to get here saw us visit friends in Rhode Island and New Jersey, stopping to eat some authentic Italian food and try our hands at surfing. Did Will get up on a wave? Find out in today’s episode. Spoiler alert, he did not. Links to resources: Abraham Lincoln Instagram Matrix The Social Dilemma Netflix 2020-09-1400 minOut 'N AboutCatchin' Fresh AirThe theme of the day is jerseys. Between Patrick Mahomes, the Cardinals, and Will’s high school alma mater, there’s a plethora of representation. We are coming off the most amazing sunrise that we’ve ever witnessed at Cadillac Mountain, the first point of sunrise in the US. It was a breath of fresh air that we all needed, especially before running into a slight disaster only a few days later! Links to resources: Patrick Mahomes Instagram Help us make a difference today by donating! https://www.gofundme.com/f/ou...2020-09-0700 min
Out 'N AboutThe Maine DishThe theme of the day is Jessica Simpson from Dukes of Hazzard, aka, we tied our shirts in a knot to look real fine. The date today is August 31st, 2020, and here we sit in Yarmouth, Maine. We were invited to stay with the Haags for the weekend, the family of a girl that I met in Nepal last year, and have had an absolutely incredible experience. In fact, the entire state of Maine has been very kind to the boys and me, but it’s a well-kept secret that we just don’t want to share! Link...2020-09-0100 min
Out 'N AboutMt. George WashingtonThe theme of the day is blanket swaddles because it’s cold as fuck here at Mt. Washington in New Hampshire. The date today is August 25th, 2020, and we are now a few weeks into our trip and still figuring things out. One thing is very apparent, and that is that we are going to meet a shit ton of people. Joining us today is our new friend that we met in a Price Chopper in Lake Placid, New York, Nick Bruno. Nick is a vagabond from New Jersey and has joined us for a few days on his wa...2020-08-2700 min
Out 'N AboutBedhead and BreakfastComing to you from Lake Placid, New York, the date is August 21st, 2020. The Out ‘N About boys are headed to Vermont after this one, but for now, are enjoying the natural splendors of upstate New York. We talk about our favorite moments, quotes, and lessons from the last few days of the trip. Tune in for some learning with a laugh! Links to resources: Check out all the goodies: https://linktr.ee/outnabout2020-08-2400 min
Out 'N AboutWest Virginia, Mountain MommaONA30: West Virginia, Mountain Momma The date is August 17th, and the boys just spent the last 3 days in the hills of West Virginia with no service. From underground in the Seneca Caverns to the highest point in the state, Spruce Knob, we are taking in every moment for what it’s worth. It’s becoming quite clear that we don’t need too much luxury to be happy. Take a listen and hear all about what we are learning on our trip! Links to resources: Workaholics Planet Fitness A...2020-08-2100 minOut 'N AboutThree's CompanyToday, August 15th, marks the first time Jack, Will, and I get to do a podcast together. At the time of this recording, we are currently in Cherry Grove, West Virginia. Diving deep into the West Virginia hills, we have been shown nothing but kindness so far. Take a listen to hear all about our trip so far, fears, and dreams! Find clips of the show on Instagram! Follow along on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuPdZOZ3XqwYI9UJMtyUrZw/ See how you can make a difference on our charity GoFundMe: https://gf...2020-08-1700 minOut 'N AboutWill Markway - RV There Yet?After a month of planning and work, Will Markway and I took off for our epic RV trip. at the time of this recording, we are in Springfield, Illinois, my hometown. Today, we enjoyed some time with my family and a good ole fashion hamburger horseshoe. Tomorrow, we will head north to Chicago before picking up Jack in Toledo. Stay tuned!2020-08-1400 min
State Your Line: A Kansas City PodcastEpisode 66: Out 'N About with Nico and WillWelcome in to State Your Line, voted the Best Local Podcast in Kansas City in The Pitch Magazine and Kansas City Magazine in 2019 & 2020! This week the Ritz brothers interview Nico Coady and Will Markway from the Out 'N About podcast about their journey across the country for a good cause!
This episode includes some of our favorite segments:
Thank you for voting for us!
Chiefs & Royals Updates
Openings and Closings
What'd we try this week
Deets on the Street
Personal Pinetar
Mixed Plate of Unexpected Awesome Weather Activities
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Out 'N AboutJack Blake - Heading Out EastOut ‘N About is hitting the road on August 8th. We’re taking my 1992 Fleetwood Flair RV up to Maine, down the East Coast, and back. 60 days. 8500 miles. Oh yeah, and we’re trying to raise $1M for charity while we do it. We’ll be documenting the entire thing on our YouTube channel, and that’s where Jack Blake comes in. Jack is an incredibly gifted and creative photographer and video producer. Help us complete our goal and donate at the link below! Links to resources: Jack’s Instagram: @jackblake.today 2020-07-2000 min
Out 'N AboutEurotrippin'Patrick McAnulty is just an everyday dude who enjoys doing guy stuff with bros. Apart from his addiction to golf, Mcnasty runs the social media for the growing t-shirt giant in Kansas City, Charlie Hustle. Nico likes to think that he taught young Patrick everything he knows, nursing him with the biddie, metaphorically of course. Tune in an hear all about Peter’s life and his travels throughout Europe! Links to resources: Boulevard Pale Ale Ebay Kona Brewing Co. Family Guy Hot...2020-06-2100 min
Out 'N AboutSwetha Newcomb - The Gypsy ChefSwetha Newcomb is an incredibly gifted private chef, providing luxurious home-cooked meals to upscale residents in the Kansas City area. She went through the traditional culinary school route of working in a restaurant for 3 years when she finally decided that she had had enough and went out on her own. Swetha’s maiden name is Gondi and she was actually born in India before her parents immigrated to the United States when she was only a baby. She makes the trip back to India once every other year and has seen plenty more of the world through her travels!...2020-06-1400 min
Out 'N AboutHealth Crisis, Oil Spills, and ProtestingSandy and Nico discuss a plethora of topics, including, but not limited to America’s health crisis, the massive oil spill in the Arctic, and the protesting that is going on all over the world. Links to resources: Seth Rogan Instagram Joe Rogan Signs $100M Joe Rogan Experience McDonald’s Guy Eats 3 Big Macs a Day John Wayne Gacy Sicario Disturbia States That Execute by Firing Squad Hunger Games Massive Russian Oil Sp...2020-06-0700 min
Out 'N AboutSam Mcreynolds - George Floyd, Hong Kong, and Zion WilliamsonProfessionally, Sam Mcreynolds is a gifted audio engineer, but before that, he is a human with feelings and emotions. With so much going on in the world, whether it be the murder of George Floyd, the eventual siege of Hong Kong by the CCP, or the pending Zion Williamson lawsuit, Sam has strong opinions that he has no problem sharing. Sam has stayed very vocal and outspoken on social issues for most of his life and believes that his voice can be one to help support change. Links to resources: 2020-06-0500 min
Out 'N AboutMax Turner - No Stress MidwestBryan Maxwell Turner is a former semi-professional soccer player and owner/operator of the lifestyle brand/soccer training program, No Stress Midwest. Max, as many people call him, finished a contract for a large engineering firm, and decided that he was tired of working towards someone else’s dream. He made the decision that he would rather work 80 hours per week towards his own dream than 40 hours per week for someone else’s. We met on a train to Chicago, where Max laid out his vision for his company, and low and behold, 18 months later, he is absolutely thriving! 2020-06-0300 min
Out 'N AboutDan Geist - The Traveled EducatorDan Geist just got done teaching his first year of middle school World History at a private school in the Kansas City area. Before that he graduated with a degree in Secondary Education from Kansas State University, in which time he spent a semester studying in Prague and traveling around Europe. Between us, we have touched a large portion of 3 continents outside of North America, and whether it was from our travels or Dan’s year of teaching, we noticed the same glaring truth. From elementary school all the way through university, the US education system is flawed in ma...2020-05-3100 min
Out 'N AboutAshlyn Jumpponen - The First LadyAshlyn Paige Jumpponen (YOU-mp-onen) was actually born Ashley Paige McArthur, but after some unique life experiences, officially changed her name when she was 11-years-old. Now, she has decided to leave a legacy with her new name. Just like me, Ashlyn spent years bouncing around jobs that never brought her any happiness, only a paycheck, until she finally decided to follow her fitness passion. Currently, Ashlyn teaches Yoga Sculpt over Instagram Live, and let me tell you, it’s high intensity. Her goal is to help everyone attain the physical and mental fortitude that she has been able to achieve th...2020-05-2900 min
Out 'N AboutBrandon Haggard - Perspective is PowerBrandon Haggard spent 2 years living and working in Kolkata, India after he graduated from Kansas State University. Before he went out there, he thought what many young Americans think, that he had the world figured out and that his shit didn’t stink. Immersing yourself in a culture that is so defined by its community after spending your entire life in a culture that is so defined by individuality will come with its resistance. After about 6 months in India, Brandon was able to gain some perspective that would teach him one of life’s greatest lessons: different is not wron...2020-05-2700 min
Out 'N AboutSex, Drugs, and The F WordJoin Sandy and me as we discuss experiences from our travels, this chaotic world that we are living in, and the F word, but not the one you are thinking of! Oh, and stay until the end to hear another great story! Links to resources: Singapore Ship Hotel Cusco, Peru Ecuador ABCC11 Gene Google Trumpy Bear Doctor Fakes Vaccines - Dr. Van Koinis Th...2020-05-2400 min
Out 'N AboutRJ Lennon - The Minnesota KidStephen A. Smith. Adam Schefter. Michael Wilbon. Pat McAfee. These are the guys you go to when you want to hear about the latest in NFL trades, NBA fights, or just about all other sports news. Well, you can add 2 names to that list. Nico Coady. RJ Lennon. Along with stories of our times spent abroad, we are here with your sports shot of tequila, a pinch of salt, and lime to make it go down smooth! Links to resources: A Time To Kill Minority Report ...2020-05-2200 min
Out 'N AboutShavon Shields - Pro Ballin' AbroadShavon Shields is an American professional basketball player, currently playing in Vitoria-Gazteiz, Spain for Kirolbet Baskonia as a part of Liga ACB and Euroleague. Before he made his way to Spain, his professional career started with 1 year each in Frankfurt, Germany and Trento, Italy. Shavon has said that due to reaching the heights of Spanish 3 in high school, Spain has been his favorite country so far. Currently, he is dealing with life under lockdown abroad while waiting to hear about the fate of his professional season! Links to resources: Zoom ...2020-05-2000 min
Out 'N AboutDawson Gurley - BigDawsTVDawson Gurley is a famous YouTuber, running the incredibly successful channel, BigDawsTV. You may also know him as the infamous Klay Thompson alter ego, Thay Klompson. However, Dawson didn’t always know that he was meant for YouTube fame. Coming out of high school in Olathe, Kansas, Dawson missed the deadline to sign up for a fraternity with all of his buddies at KU, and ultimately decided to go a different route. Little did he know, that would be one of the greatest things that could have ever happened to him. After failing out of com...2020-05-1700 min
Out 'N AboutMark Wiedeman - Chiefs SuperfanMark Wiedeman is one of our senior NFL analysts here at Out ‘N About. He also serves as our resident Chiefs Insider and has staked his claim to be THE Kansas City Chiefs superfan. Every Sunday, whether it be in season or offseason, Mark rocks a pair of white zumbas and one of his many Chiefs jerseys. He has even gone as far as to bleed red, claiming that Patty Mahomes is the current love of his life. Mark is a purist, staying true to the NFL and rarely dabbling in the land of college football until it comes to...2020-05-1400 min
Out 'N AboutNemo Douglass - Money to MarijuanaONA13: Nemo Douglass - Money to Marijuana Nemo Douglass is a 27-year-old investor and entrepreneur. After getting kicked out of Arizona State, Nemo created a social app, and while marketing this app, he found his way into Forex investing. In less than a year, Nemo created his own online course that taught investors how to trade in the international currency market. Nemo went on to travel all over the world, immersing himself in a variety of different cultures, and that’s how he landed in Medellin, Colombia. Over a year later, Nemo still resides in Col...2020-05-1100 minOut 'N AboutKim Jong-wuuuuuh?What do Kim Jong-un and I have in common? Well, besides our shared love for Ryan Reynolds and all things Paul Simon, we can both eat like complete assholes. Kim’s love for junk food has landed him in some hot water, putting the future of his country further into the realm of the unknown. Mine has landed me on the toilet about 3 times a day since I broke my one-month carnivore diet, which is only appropriate because 2020 has found itself in the shitter so far. Information, and porn, are just pouring out of North Korea Psy...2020-04-2300 minOut 'N AboutQuiplash - Zoom StyleIn times like these, it’s real easy to sit on the couch and watch Netflix all day, one hand in your pants while using the other to shove an entire sleeve of cookies down your throat. Just because you can’t leave your domicile doesn’t mean you can’t still be social. I’m sure you’ve all seen “virtual happy hours” on social media, but here at Out ‘N About, we like to take it up a notch. That’s why we assembled the crew to play a raunchy game of Quiplash, Zoom style. Warning, if you have soft ears...2020-04-1400 minOut 'N AboutR.I.P. BBDWith all the ruckus that this virus is causing, it’s easy to forget that there is so much more happening that is being swept under the rug. That’s why today, Sandy and I have chosen to take on the world and some of its issues. From the dispute in the South China Sea to Zoom happy hours, we break down what’s going on and where we might be headed. One thing that we as earth people can agree on, however, is R.I.P. BBD. In this episode, we break down… An update...2020-04-0700 minOut 'N AboutTrevor MoyThinking about hopping on a plane and going on vacation? If you live under a rock, are a Raiders fan, or just don’t use the internet, then your answer to that question is probably yes. Well, my guest today, Trevor Moy, is a data analyst for American Airlines, and he’s here to tell you why right now is probably not a great time to head for the airport. The world is clearly in a state of panic, both socially and economically, but with so many countries shutting down their borders to any outsiders, no one has felt it m...2020-04-0300 minOut 'N AboutFasting and The Carnivore DietWith seemingly the entire world going into lockdown, the day-to-day for so many people has already changed drastically. We are all presented with a choice: either you can use this time to be lazy, eat like shit, and wait it out, or you can choose to be productive, develop healthy habits, and learn more about yourself. Sandy and I have chosen option number 2, trying a 5-day fast and a 30-day carnivore diet between the two of us for a variety of reasons. We have made the choice to pick up new hobbies and dive headfirst into them while we...2020-03-3100 minOut 'N AboutNo Escape - COVID-19Well, it’s a scary time to be alive just about anywhere in the world right now. After a scary phone call, I decided that if this is the end, I want to spend it at home in Kansas with my family and friends. After a two-day journey through some of the sickest areas in the world, I finally made it home for a two-week quarantine. Today, I get to leave my house finally, but what am I really leaving to!? Enjoy the goods! In this episode, we break down… The carnivore diet and long...2020-03-1900 minOut 'N AboutThree Identical StrangersImagine finding out that you are a twin or triplet after twenty years of living on this earth. You meet your long lost siblings and realize that you are best friends immediately, only to find out that the honeymoon phase is going to disappear with a bang. Today, Sandy and I break down the documentary, “Three Identical Strangers,” the evolution of mankind, and a plethora of other interesting topics. Enjoy the goods! In this episode, we break down… Creating gin from the feces of elephants Where humans sit inside or outside of the food chain D...2020-03-1300 minOut 'N AboutCoffee Talks: ReligionSandy and I were lucky enough to grow up in the United States with enough room around us to think for ourselves. That’s not a luxury that most of the world has. I was raised in a Catholic family and am now an Atheist in my mid-20s. Sandy came up in a family that was not religious. We have both had the opportunity to live all over the world with people from different religious upbringings and that has allowed us to gain a unique perspective on religion. Just because someone has a different religious point of view do...2020-03-0700 minOut 'N AboutLeap Year 2020 - Hello CoronavirusIt’s February 29th, 2020, and we are here to celebrate Leap Year with some great back and forth conversation about measuring intelligence, overcoming our biggest fears, and how ego can act as an obstacle. Make sure to stay until the end to hear about the coronavirus outbreak that’s happening just 90 miles south of where we are in Korea right now! In this episode, we break down… The wonders of being born on February 29th These great things all came out of Africa Different ways to measure intelligence Attempting to fix the education system The gre...2020-03-0100 minOut 'N AboutErt 'N AbertIn this episode, we break down... Pet peeves that bother the shit out of us There are a time and place to be on your phone Marriage failure learning curve Setting off the lunk alarm at Planet Fitness Separating between rudeness and cultural differences Most preferable speaking accents in the world World geography depending on where you are from Everything that Peru has to offer Fighting the woke culture and the word itself Diving into the Houston Astros scandal Worst cheaters in the history of sports Links to resources: ESPN ...2020-02-2300 minOut 'N AboutThe Journey - Part 2 Onto Asia for Sandy and myself, a place where the beer flows like wine and beautiful women flock like the salmon of Capistrano. Well, maybe not, but it sure has been a wild 10 months. Sandy started his first teaching contract in August 2019 in Yeongwol, South Korea, where we both reside right now. I started my first contract in Bali, Indonesia, and have since worked my way around Asia to get here at the beginning of February. Stay tuned to hear about our separate journeys that led us both to where we are now! In...2020-02-1900 minOut 'N AboutThe Journey - Part 1Welcome to Out ‘N About! In today’s first episode, Sandy and I will tell you all about how we got all the way from college graduation to Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to see a large portion of South America in our travels and have learned a ton that you just can’t get from looking at Instagram or sitting behind a desk. Stay tuned to hear what it was like to leave our country for the first time! In this episode, we break down... Being lost and confused about our next steps aft...2020-02-1600 minOut 'N AboutSee The World Through Open EyesOut 'N About is a podcast dedicated to promoting open-minded conversation consisting of varying opinions. Sandy and I have traveled all over the world, living in the slums of Mumbai and South America, all the way to one of the richest parts of the US. We have been able to gain a unique perspective on how the world works. It is very apparent that in today's world, everyone is looking to be offended by any differing opinion from their own. Our hope is to show the world that you can be open-minded to different views of the world without...2020-02-0500 min