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Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP41: Run It Back: My Mom Went from “I’ll Be Lonely Forever” to “Maybe I’ll Give Men a Shot”This week, Paul and Barb are on summer vacation — so we’re throwing it back to where it all began. In this Run It Back episode, we revisit Barb’s very first conversation with dating coach Lisa Copeland, when the idea of getting back out there felt totally overwhelming. Flash forward to now? Barb’s made serious progress — but there’s still work to do before our big season finale: a two-part live speed dating event hosted by Paul. We’re halfway through the season… and one step closer to Barb maybe, finally, finding Mr. Right.2025-07-1452 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP40: I Want to Be the Only Man My Mom Ever Loves!!!!!!This week, Barb is leaving it up to Paul to keep the show going while she’s sick — because that’s showbiz, baby! With Barb out of commission, Paul checks in with himself and reflects on her dating journey so far. And surprise: as much as he’s encouraged her to find love again, he’s having second thoughts. Why? Because if she falls in love… does that mean their relationship will change forever? To help unpack the spiral, therapist Jessica Miller of Mind Your Boundaries joins Paul and Barb to explore what really happens when a new p...2025-07-0751 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP39: From One Night Stands and Open Relationships to Her Own Bed... My Mom Let Me Figure It OutThis week, Paul is in the hot seat. While Barb continues her journey back into the dating world, Paul takes a moment to reflect on his own chaotic gay dating history — from losing his virginity with deodorant as lube (yes, really), to an open relationship that blurred every boundary, and what he now lovingly calls his “slutty era.” He opens up about how Barb never stepped in during his relationships, and how that shaped the way he now shows up in her dating life. Did she trust him? Was she scared to interfere? Or did she ju...2025-06-301h 12
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP38: My Mom Survived Her Toxic Marriage... Now She's Surviving a Brazilian Wax!This week, things get raw — literally and emotionally. Barb opens up about the shame she still carries from her toxic marriage, while Paul reflects on what it means to share your story when it also involves someone else. Where’s the line between speaking your truth and revealing someone else’s pain? They’ve talked about the past before, but never quite like this — and now, everything’s on the table. And if that wasn’t enough, Barb gets her first-ever Brazilian wax — and let’s just say, she’s still sore. To help Barb make sense of the mo...2025-06-231h 01
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP37: Was My Mom Ever Actually In Love… or Just in a Trauma Bond?Paul’s lounging in a Vegas pool and Barb’s got her feet up in Jersey, so this week we’re throwing it back to one of our most powerful episodes — and it just hits different now that Barb’s back in the dating game. We’re revisiting our chat with Dr. Janie Lacy, a psychotherapist and relationship trauma expert from 90 Day: The Last Resort, who breaks down the red flags of toxic relationships. She shares her “three C’s” framework, dives into attachment styles (anxious, avoidant, and disorganized), and helps you spot the difference between real love and a trauma...2025-06-161h 06
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP36: Red Flags, Sex Playlists & Would Mom Still Enable This?This week, Paul and Barb unpack why it’s a major red flag when someone doesn’t have any friends from childhood—and then dive into why a good bedroom playlist still matters more than you think (yes, it’s a thing). To make things even juicier, they bring in some special guests: Paul’s boyfriend Jordan, Barb’s son, and Paul’s brother Brett. Together, they chime in on Barb’s dating journey, her ideal man, and yes… they hold nothing back. The four of them play WTF Would Mom Do?—where they throw old red flag scenari...2025-06-091h 18
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP35: Divorce, D*CK Pics & Dead Exes: Dating at 50+This week on Hold On, I’m Calling My Mom… Judi's in the house! Barb’s bestie of nearly five decades joins Paul & Barb to dish on dating after divorce, the power of long-term friendships, and that one guy she met in AA who went from sending dick pics to… kicking the bucket (yep, you read that right). Things get real about Barb's love life, the pressure to date again, and why sometimes a vibrator and a Mission Impossible marathon might just be enough. Plus, Paul confronts the time he maybe caught his friend kissing his dad...2025-06-021h 07
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP34: Is It Okay to Never Date Again? Asking for My Mom…Week three of Barb’s dating journey is here — and things are getting deep (and a little unhinged). Paul kicks off the episode by reading some questionable messages from Barb’s dating app inbox and asking the truly important question: would Barb ever sell his sperm to his ex? (Don’t ask how we got there.) Then, they’re joined by clinical psychologist Dr. Alex Hamlet to explore a big topic — is it actually healthy to decide you never want to be in a relationship again? Dr. Alex reminds us: there’s a big difference...2025-05-261h 06
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP33: My Mom’s Messages Are Pouring In & So Are the Red FlagsThree weeks into Barb’s dating journey, the messages are getting unhinged. From Tony’s jaw-dropping opener to Gary’s gentlemanly charm, we break down what’s clicking — and what’s crashing and burning. We also swipe through some unforgettable profiles, including Chase, a shirtless motivational speaker in disguise, and Richard, a widowed romantic with values that actually impress. Relationship and sex therapist Deborah Grace joins us to help Barb get clear on what she wants, how to draw the line, and why intention matters more than ever. It’s messy, revealing, and exactly why she needs a co2025-05-191h 05
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP32: My Mom Just Joined a Dating App… for the First Time Ever!Barb’s diving into online dating for the first time, with her son Paul as her guide and full-time typist. Together, they build her profile, pick the hottest pics (of course), and get expert tips from Love Coach Lisa Copeland. This is a huge step for Barb, since she’s only ever been with one person in her life. And after all the work she’s putting into this, she might just settle in for a solo movie marathon and call it — single gal for life!2025-05-121h 14
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP31: MY MOM’S GOING ON A DATE & THE WHOLE WORLD'S WATCHINGPaul drops a bomb on Barb: this season is all about getting her into the dating game — from coaches and apps to sex therapists and a live matchmaking finale. New segments bring the heat as Paul reveals a penis health scare, Barb bans a friend over pH drama, and sets boundaries around OnlyFans. It’s chaos. It’s heart. It’s Season 2.2025-05-051h 02
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP30: SEASON FINALE: Isn't It Exhausting Being This Cute?!In the season finale, Paul and Barb reflect on their six-month podcast journey and share excitement for Season 2. Paul unveils his Valentine’s gift, and they discuss self-care and preventing burnout with neuropsychologist Dr. Judy Ho. Paul reveals a childhood trauma that keeps him from watching a certain movie, but Barb assures him it was all done with love. For more information about Dr. Judy Ho and her work: drjudyho.com Instagram: @drjudyho TikTok: @drjudyho 2025-02-171h 03
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP29: My mom & reality TV raised me & I turned out okay!Paul and Barb are both on the market... for therapists! They dive into why they’re so hard to love, with Paul sharing a memorable story about meeting his pop star icon, Charli XCX, and Barb opening up about feeling snubbed by a celebrity. The two reflect on the influence reality TV has had on Paul, explaining how it provided escapism and helped shape his career. They’re joined by Dr. Hayley Watson, who dissects the reason behind it! For more information about Dr. Hayley Watson and her work: openparachuteschools.com Instagram: @drhayleywatson2025-02-1054 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP28: Love Without Losing YOU: The Secret to Staying True in Relationships with Alexia McLeodTherapist Alexia McLeod joins us this week to talk boundaries, maintaining your identity in relationships, and her hot takes on sharing locations, splitting bills, and sleeping in separate bedrooms. Paul shares the story of when his boyfriend forgot about him after stopping location sharing, while Barb reveals her record-breaking non-hair-washing streak! For more information about Alexia and her work: alexiamcleod.com Instagram: @alexia.mcleod TikTok: @alexia.mcleod2025-02-0454 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP27: Facing Grief: Paul, Barb, & the Fear of Life Without Each OtherThis week, psychiatrist Dr. Jennifer Minami joins Paul and Barb to explore the universal experience of grief. Paul opens up about his anticipatory grief and fear of life without Barb, while they discuss the emotional attachment to things—like Barb’s obsession with Paul’s old Steve Urkel headgear. As they embrace 2025 with the motto “out with the old, in with the new,” Paul reveals why he wants ‘WAP’ played at his funeral. For more information on Dr. Minami and her work: jenniferminamimd.com2025-01-2747 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP26: Tough Love: Navigating Family Boundaries & Protecting Your Peace With Jessica MillerThis week, therapist Jessica Miller joins Paul and Barb to discuss the complexities of setting boundaries with family and protecting your inner peace. With personal stories, they explore what works (and what doesn’t) when navigating family dynamics. Plus, Paul takes a trip down memory lane—did having Barb’s graduation picture in his room cross a boundary? Tune in to find out! Instagram: @mindyourboundaries TikTok: @mind_yourboundaries YouTube: @mindyourbusiness2025-01-2046 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP25: I DON'T WANT MY MOM TO USING OZEMPIC! Unpacking Diet Culture & Body Image With Rachael MecholskyThis week, therapist Rachael Mecholsky-Pelikan joins us to explore the emotional aspects of eating and how food can become a coping mechanism. We dive into why diet culture is toxic, especially for those struggling with body image issues. Paul also shares his concerns about Barb taking Ozempic and opens up about dating someone from a Disney family. Instagram: @rachaelthetherapist TikTok: @rachaelthetherapist YouTube: @Rachaelthetherapist2025-01-1345 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP24: LET'S TALK ABOUT SEX: Why Parents Avoid It & How to Break the Silence with Kristin HodsonSex therapist Kristin Hodson joins us this week to explore why talking about sex remains taboo in so many households and how to break the cycle. Kristin offers practical tips for starting these important conversations with your kids. Plus, Paul recalls the cringe-worthy moment when Barb walked in on him watching X-rated material, and Barb gets into a high-speed chase with a Karen! For more information on Kristin and her work: kristinbhodson.com Instagram: @kristinbhodson 2025-01-0652 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP23: 2024 Wrap-Up: Dusting Off the Cobwebs—Figuratively & Literally!Paul and Barb wrap up 2024 with a bang by setting New Year’s resolutions—for each other! Paul’s wish? For Barb to dust off the cobwebs and dive back into the dating pool. Barb’s priority? Getting Paul a new retainer, of all things. The duo also takes a walk down memory lane, reflecting on the wild ride of launching their podcast over the past four months. With big plans brewing for 2025! 2024-12-3020 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP22: Holiday Edition: Family Feuds, Barb Knows Best, & Sliding into DMs with Brett RoysdonIt’s a family affair on this week’s episode! Paul and Barb dive into their holiday plans, which include celebrating under one roof with Paul’s boyfriend, Jordan and his family. Barb shares her first "down in the DMs" encounter while the duo reflects on the importance of family traditions—like their love for holiday board games. To keep the festive spirit going, Paul’s brother (and Barb’s other son) Brett joins the podcast for a fun game that puts Barb’s mom instincts to the test: which son does she know best?2024-12-2332 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP21: Ditch Unrealistic Resolutions & Set Goals That Stick with Dr. Terri BlyClinical Psychologist, Dr. Terri Bly joins us this week to tackle the pressures of New Year’s resolutions. She offers practical advice on breaking goals into small, manageable steps and highlights the importance of understanding the “why” behind the changes we want to make. Meanwhile, Paul airs his current beef with McDonald’s and reflects with Barb on his ongoing journey of personal growth, admitting he still slips into his sassy younger child tendencies. 2024-12-1643 min
The Bright SidePoppin’ Off on Michelle Obama’s Dating Show and Google’s Year in SearchPaul Roysdon and his mom Barb co-host the podcast “Hold On, I’m Calling My Mom.” They pop off with Danielle and Simone on the terms on Google’s Year in Search 2024 — like “demure,” “Roman Empire,” and “Mob Wife Aesthetic.” They dig into the new Michelle Obama-produced dating show “The Later Daters,” a new non-judgmental Tik Tok trend, Golden Globe nominees, and more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.2024-12-1336 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP20: Road Rage Recovery: Tackling Anger Behind The Wheel With Therapist Gina Zippo-MazurTherapist Gina Zippo-Mazur joins us this week to unpack why 79% of people struggle with road rage and how to take back control when emotions run high behind the wheel. Paul opens up about a dramatic road rage encounter in high school that took an unexpected turn involving his first gay exploration, while Barb shares why she wasn’t exactly surprised when Paul eventually “came out.” For more information on Gina and her work: gzmtherapy.com Instagram: @feelingoodwithgina TikTok: @gzmtherapy2024-12-0945 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP19: Holiday Chaos or Harmony? How to Blend In-Laws & Family with Relationship Coach Ali JacksonRelationship and Dating Coach Ali Jackson shares expert tips for meeting your partner’s family and navigating tricky holiday dynamics. Plus, Barb offers Paul advice on surviving your 30s, and Paul confesses to forgetting a friend’s birthday, not once but TWICE. Tune into this week's episode for some laughs, wisdom and some tips to make blending of the families this holiday season go a lot smoother! For more information on Ali and her work: findingmrheight.com Instagram: @findingmrheight TikTok: @findingmrheight2024-12-0239 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP18: Flushing Away Fear: Conquering Toilet Anxiety with Dr. Jill GrimesDr. Jill Grimes joins Paul & Barb to unpack why toilet anxiety is more common than you think—affecting nearly a third of the population. Paul shares his pee-shy struggles and his stolen underwear dilemma in Mexico, while Barb gets real about colonoscopies. Laugh, learn, and flush away the stigma! For more information on Dr. Grimes and her work: jillgrimesmd.com Her latest book: The Ultimate College Student Health Handbook: Your Guide for Everything from Hangovers to Homesickness Instagram: @jillgrimesmd TikTok: @tiktok.collegedoc 2024-11-2542 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP17: Do You Have High-Functioning Depression? With Clinical Social Worker Laura FelmanThis week, Clinical Social Worker Laura Felman joins Paul & Barb for an insightful discussion on High-Functioning Depression—what it is, why it's becoming more common, and how societal pressures to mask emotions contribute to the struggle. Laura breaks down the genetic and environmental factors at play and shares practical techniques to help manage this often-overlooked condition. Meanwhile, in true Hold On, I'm Calling My Mom fashion, Paul admits he's been unfaithful… to his dry cleaner, and Barb declares her eternal devotion to all things pumpkin spice. For more information on Laura and her work: hamlettherapy.com In...2024-11-1848 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP16: Your Path to Healing: Follow These 10 Steps with Kelly Noonan GoresHEAL documentary director and HEAL with Kelly podcast host Kelly Noonan Gores joins us to share 10 powerful steps for healing, focusing on releasing old wounds and breaking free from a victim mindset. Kelly explains the impact of unresolved trauma and the importance of inner work on the path to growth. Plus, Barb preps for her first solo trip, and she and Paul discuss staying consistent and shifting mindsets for lasting change. For more information on Kelly and her work: healwithkelly.co Instagram: @kellygores YouTube: youtube.com/@healwithkelly2024-11-1152 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP15: Dreams Have Deeper Meanings with Dream Expert Lauri LoewenbergThis week, Dream Expert Lauri Loewenberg joins us to dive into the connection between our dreams and real-life issues, revealing how dreams can serve as guidance or warnings for what’s going on in our lives. In a show first, Barb makes an unexpected trip to the ER, but not before she and Paul have a good laugh over a WTF Facebook post! For more information on Lauri and her work: lauriloewenberg.com Instagram: @lauri_thedreamexpert YouTube: youtube.com/@laurithedreamexpert2024-11-0457 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP14: Everyone Should Have a Slutty Era—Even Your Mom with Sex & Relationship Expert Deborah GraceSex and relationship expert Deborah Grace joins us to talk about reclaiming the word “slutty” and why it’s okay to embrace your sexuality without shame. Deborah encourages listeners to explore who they are in the bedroom and to get comfortable with self-acceptance. Paul shares some of his own stories, highlighting how important intimacy is to him, while Barb opens up about her hesitations around exploring her sexual side. Brett (Paul’s brother and Barb’s son) also jumps in to talk about the pressure he feels as a virgin and his anxiety around society’s expectations. It’s an open conver...2024-10-2857 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP13: Angel Numbers & New Beginnings: Navigating 2025 with Numerologist Larissa MartincicNumerologist Larissa Martincic explains how angel numbers are messages of guidance. She encourages using October for self-reflection and releasing old habits, while November is the time to start new projects and habits to set the tone for the upcoming year. Larissa advises listeners on aligning with universal energy to navigate the year ahead. For more information on Larissa and her work: thegoddessgiving.com Instagram: @goddessgiving2024-10-211h 03
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP12: Psychic Medium Jennifer Shaffer Predicts Paul & Barb's FuturePsychic medium Jennifer Shaffer joins the "Hold On, I'm Calling My Mom" podcast to talk about her work with law enforcement and families, focusing on finding missing persons and solving cold cases. Jennifer shares how tapping into one's intuition is key, and explains that everyone has some level of psychic ability. During the episode, she also gives Paul and Barb a glimpse into their futures, while connecting with their loved ones who have passed. For more information on Jennifer and her work: jennifershaffer.com Instagram: @jennifermshaffer2024-10-1455 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP11: Are You in Love or Trauma-Bonded? Spotting Toxic Relationship Signs with Dr. Janie LacyThis week, Dr. Janie Lacy, psychotherapist and relationship trauma expert from 90 Days: The Last Resort, joins us to discuss red flags in toxic relationships, including her "three C's" framework. She breaks down attachment styles—anxious, avoidant, and disorganized—while helping listeners distinguish between true love and trauma bonding, and offers practical tips for leaving toxic relationships. For more information about Dr. Janie Lacy and her work: janielacy.com Instagram: @drjanielacy2024-10-071h 05
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP10: How Discomfort Can Create an Optimistic State of Mind with Dr. Deepika Chopra, The Optimism DoctorOptimism Doctor, Dr. Deepika Chopra dives into this week's episode discussing the power of optimism and how it can be developed like a muscle through consistent practice and intentional lifestyle changes. Dr. Chopra shares her unique "7 out of 10" technique for affirmations, stressing the importance of truly believing in what you affirm. She also discusses the benefits of learning to sit with discomfort and how it builds resilience. For more information about Dr. Deepika Chopra and her work: drdeepikachopra.com Instagram: @drdeepikachopra2024-09-301h 01
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP09: Alcohol Use Disorder: Redefining "Alcoholism" with Sober Coach Brandi BabbSober Coach and Somatic Practitioner Brandi Babb joins us to dive deep into the impact of family dynamics surrounding alcohol and the lasting effects it can have on loved ones. She shares insights into how these dynamics create heightened sensitivities around alcohol and discusses the benefits of the "sober curious" movement. Brandi also explores society’s shift from "alcoholic" to understanding it as "alcohol use disorder." For more information about Brandi and her work: littlebigleap.com Instagram: @littlebigleap2024-09-2354 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP08: How Astrology Can Impact Your Relationships with Astrology Mom, Chana PeppersChana Peppers, also known as Astrology Mom joins us during Virgo season for Paul's birthday episode! Chana breaks down the importance of astrology and how much of an impact it has on every relationship and aspect in life. She explains the challenges that can arise based on astrological compatibilities and which zodiac signs really hold the title as the most toxic signs out there. For more information about Chana and her work: theastrologymom.com Instagram: @astrologymom TikTok: @astrologymom2024-09-1651 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP07: The Power of Self-Acceptance with Coming Out Coaches Lena & Sal OsborneComing Out Coaches, LGBTQ+ Advocates and Hulu's Mormon No More star's Lena & Sal Osborne join us on this week's episode to discuss their work helping people come out and owning their authenticity. From their own personal stories of coming out later in life and being previously married to men to emphasizing the importance of self-love, even if it means making difficult decisions. Highlighting the types of conversations that should take place regarding sexuality between a parent and a child. Fore more about Lena & Sal and their work: sallyandlena.com Instagram: @lena__osborne & @comingoutcoach2024-09-0949 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP06: The Secret to Healthy Parent-Child Boundaries with Psychiatrist Dr. Ryan SultanPsychiatrist Dr. Ryan Sultan joins us to discuss whether parents kissing their children on the lips is unhealthy, examining its impact on family dynamics and children's development. He highlights the importance of maintaining secure parent-child relationships and the challenges that can arise in a less traditional family structure. For more about Dr. Ryan Sultan and his work: integrative-psych.org Instagram: @intpsychny2024-09-0242 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP05: Breaking Generational Traumas with Braunwyn WindhamFormer Housewife of Orange County, Braunwyn Windham, joins us to discuss the challenges of children not seeing their parents as people. She shares her challenges of breaking generational traumas from her own upbringing and how she's fostering open communication with her kids. Braunwyn also talks about her plans for the future, transitioning from "Housewife" to college student. Instagram: @braunwynwindhamburke2024-08-2643 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP04: Shifting Perspectives on Happiness with Life Coach Camilla Sacre-DallerupAuthor, Life Coach, Hypnotherapist and Meditation Teacher, Camilla Sacre-Dallerup joins us on this week's episode to discuss the journey of falling out of love with the life you once envisioned and rebuilding it from scratch. How happiness evolves over time, how to embrace changes, and the importance of surrendering to life’s unexpected turns. For more about Camilla and her work: zenme.tv Instagram: @camilladallerup YouTube: @CamillaDallerupcsd2024-08-1950 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP03: Every Parent Has a Favorite Child with Dr. Alex HamletClinical Psychologist, Dr. Alex Hamlet specializes in parental favoritism and the long term effects it has. Providing us with insight on how to spot the red flags early on, as well as the types of conversations you should be having if the signs are there. She couldn't join us on the podcast without giving her expert opinion on whether or not Barb has an official favorite. For more info about Dr. Alex Hamlet and her work: hamlettherapy.com Instagram: @hamlettherapy 2024-08-1242 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP02: Getting Barb Back on the Market with Dating Expert Lisa CopelandDating expert, Lisa Copeland is here to help Barb navigate her first dating app! Lisa walks us through what dating looks like over the age 50 and informs us that at any age d*ck pics are still a thing. For more info about Lisa and her work: findaqualityman.com Instagram: @over50datecoach YouTube: @LisaCopelandDatingCoach2024-08-0548 min
Hold On, I'm Calling My MomEP01: Welcome to Hold On, I'm Calling My MomHi everyone! I'm Paul. Welcome to Hold on, I'm Calling My Mom with my co-host and mom, Barb! If I need to vent about an existential criss, have a kiki, or just have a laugh everyone knows that my mom is always the first person I call. We invite you to take part in our discussions as we dive into our untraditional relationship, navigating life together and most importantly, the support we have for one another. 2024-08-0531 min
Grants Rants Hollywood TalkBONUS: Real Housewives of New Jersey Recap S8 Ep14 - #HousewivesofBellevueReal Housewives of New Jersey Season 8 Episode 14 Recap - #HousewivesofBellevueCo-host Paul Roysdon@PaulR0ysd0n Support the Rants:www.harrys.com/grantsrantwww.blogtalkradio.com/grantsrants2018-01-1944 minGrants Rants Hollywood TalkGR #73: Kathy Griffin raises HELL! Real Housewives Beador Divorce, Scared FamousGrants Rants #73: Paul Roysdon, Producer and Host of the Reality Rundown PodcastKathy Griffin drops a hell of a story on YouTube and Bravo's Andy Cohen and TMZ's Harvey Levin are called the carpet. The Beadors of The Real Housewives of Orange County split, Reality TV Icons Daneille Staub and Tiffany New York Pollard continue their status as tv gold. We look at VH1's Scared Famous and lots more with Paul Roysdon here! @PAULR0YSD0N Suppor the Rants: www.patreon.com/grantsrants2017-10-3054 min