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The Masculine Wilderness PodcastHealing the Wound: Masculinity, Exploitation & the Power of Story with Penny RonningWhat if the key to ending exploitation lies in the courage to tell the truth?In this gripping and deeply personal episode of The Masculine Wilderness Podcast, Penny Ronning—leader of the Yellowstone Anti-Trafficking Task Force—shares a raw and unfiltered look at the realities of commercial sexual exploitation and why men must be part of the solution.Through the lens of her own family’s history—marked by her mother’s survival of childhood trauma—Penny opens a powerful dialogue on how generational wounds shape us, and how storytelling can become a lifeline for healing. Thi...
2025-04-211h 00
A New AnglePenny Ronning on human trafficking (part two)In part two of our conversation with Penny Ronning, the co-founder of the Yellowstone Human Trafficking Task Force, she speaks with Justin on the realities of child trafficking and online exploitation in the U.S. Ronning describes the signs of trafficking that ordinary people can observe and offers advice on reporting suspected trafficking. She shares the history of her task force and details her path from a CASA advocate to becoming a key player in the fight against human trafficking in Montana, highlighting efforts to address the issue through policy, training, and legislation.Learn more about the...
2024-11-1429 min
A New AnglePenny Ronning on human trafficking (part one)Penny Ronning, the co-founder of the Yellowstone Human Trafficking Task Force, joins Justin to explore the pervasive but often unseen world of human trafficking in Montana and beyond. She explains how traffickers target vulnerable individuals across industries—from construction to nail salons—and the red flags for spotting exploitation. Ronning also delves into the grooming tactics used on children online and the distinction between consensual sex work and coercive trafficking.This conversation contains sensitive themes regarding sex trafficking, mental illness and suicide. If you or a loved one is considering suicide, call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 9...
2024-11-0728 min
The CounterTribal Knowledge Can Save The Planet with Dr. Cristina EisenbergIndigenous communities have been stewarding the land for millennia, yet their knowledge has often been overlooked in mainstream conservation efforts. That’s changing.
In this episode, Dr. Cristina Eisenberg—Associate Dean for Inclusive Excellence and Director of Tribal Initiatives in Natural Resources at Oregon State University’s College of Forestry—shares how Indigenous science is shaping climate action. As an advisor to the White House and an invited speaker at the United Nations, Dr. Eisenberg is at the forefront of efforts to integrate Tribal sovereignty and traditional ecological knowledge into global environmental policies.
Join us as we di...
2024-11-0651 min
The CounterPersonal Responsibility In Democracy with Betsy MyersDemocracy thrives when its leaders—and its people—embrace self-awareness, authenticity, and personal responsibility. Leadership isn’t just about authority; it’s about balancing intellect with empathy, making tough decisions with integrity, and fostering trust in a time when trust is scarce.
Few understand this better than Betsy Myers. From working in the White House to serving as Executive Director of the Center for Public Leadership at Harvard’s Kennedy School, and as Chief Operating Officer for President Obama’s historic 2008 campaign, Betsy has spent her career studying what makes leaders succeed—or fail.
In this conversat...
2024-10-3048 min
The CounterBanned, Bold, and Brilliant: A Conversation with Ellen HopkinsEllen Hopkins is no stranger to controversy—or the bestseller list. As the #1 New York Times bestselling author of 21 novels, Ellen has captivated readers with her raw, unfiltered explorations of relationships, love, and the struggles that shape us. Her latest young adult novel, SYNC, hit shelves last August, continuing her tradition of tackling tough, real-life issues.
But with fearless storytelling comes pushback. Three of Ellen’s books were among the 11 most banned titles during the 2022–2023 school year, placing her alongside literary icons like Harper Lee, Toni Morrison, Judy Blume, and Margaret Atwood on the list of most challe...
2024-10-2350 min
The CounterGarrett Morris: A Life of Laughter and LiberationGarrett Morris is a legend—from Saturday Night Live to Broadway, hit television sitcoms, and now a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. But beyond his groundbreaking career in entertainment, he has been a lifelong advocate for civil rights, reproductive equality, religious freedom, and a just legal system.
In this episode of The Counter, Garrett shares his personal journey—the triumphs, the struggles, and the moments that shaped his unwavering commitment to justice. His story is one of resilience, activism, and the belief that laughter and liberation go hand in hand.
🎧 Tune in for a power...
2024-10-161h 20
The CounterDark Money, Democracy, and the Fight for Transparency with Reilly NeillThe unchecked flow of dark money in politics is eroding our democracy. Since the Citizens United ruling, corporations and the ultra-wealthy have been able to sway elections, drown out individual voices, and flood communities with attack ads, all while operating in the shadows. This isn't just about politics—it’s about power, accountability, and the very foundation of our freedoms.
In this episode of The Counter, we sit down with Reilly Neill—author, former Montana state legislator, and candidate for Congress—to discuss the dangers of dark money, its impact on local and national elections, and what we can d...
2024-10-0953 min
The CounterAll Politics Is Personal with Jamie Lynn ManiscalcoPolitics isn’t just about policies—it’s about people. And the more authentic, diverse voices we bring into the political arena, the stronger our democracy becomes.
In this episode of The Counter, we sit down with political campaign expert Jamie Lynn Maniscalco to discuss why all politics is personal and why we need leaders who reflect real-life experiences—not just millionaires, lawyers, or lobbyists. We explore how to engage young women in the political process, the power of language in shaping leadership, and why representation matters now more than ever.
If we want a governme...
2024-10-021h 08
The CounterResistance and Resilience Against Fascism with Dr. and Rabbi Uri BarneaaFascism doesn’t just belong to history books—it thrives when societies grow complacent. In this urgent and deeply personal episode, Dr. Uri Barnea shares his family’s story of survival and loss during the Holocaust, illuminating the devastating consequences of authoritarian rule.
But remembrance alone is not enough. Dr. Barnea explores how fascism takes root, how it manipulates democratic systems to seize power, and how we can recognize its modern-day manifestations. Most importantly, he calls for collective action—building strong, informed communities that can resist authoritarianism before it takes hold.
Who we are today is who w...
2024-09-2554 min
The CounterMedia Literacy in the Age of Misinformation with Rosemary SmithIn a time when information is more accessible than ever, are we truly expanding our perspectives—or just reinforcing our biases? The rise of digital media has given us an endless stream of news and opinions, but with it comes misinformation, manipulation, and echo chambers that threaten democracy itself.
In this episode of The Counter, we sit down with media literacy expert Rosemary Smith from the Getting Better Foundation to explore the dangers of misinformation, the importance of critical thinking, and how media literacy can empower us to separate fact from fiction. We discuss how understanding media in...
2024-09-1844 min
The CounterProject 2025 and the Fight for Democracy with Dustin GrangerAmerican democracy is at a crossroads, and Project 2025 is a warning sign we can’t afford to ignore. This radical blueprint for consolidating power threatens civil rights, public education, and the very foundations of our democracy. Nowhere is this shift more evident than in Louisiana, where divide-and-conquer politics have pushed the state deep into far-right territory.
In this episode of The Counter, we sit down with Louisiana State Democratic Party leader Dustin Granger to discuss the urgent need for Democrats to hold firm in their values rather than shift right, the dangers of Project 2025, and how extremist po...
2024-09-1131 min
The CounterEnding Cruelty—The Fight to Stop Dog Experimentation with Ellie HansenFor over a century, dogs—especially beagles—have been used in laboratory experiments, enduring unnecessary suffering for products designed for humans. Despite scientific advancements and the passage of the FDA Modernization Act 2.0, which allows alternatives to animal testing, many research labs continue these outdated and cruel practices.
In this episode of The Counter, we sit down with Ellie Hansen—animal rights activist and award-winning writer—to discuss why laboratories are still using dogs for experiments, the misconceptions about animal testing, and what can be done to end this unethical and ineffective practice.
Laws are changing, but prog...
2024-09-0453 min
The CounterDefending Public Libraries and Education from Political Attacks with Patrick SweeneyPublic libraries and schools have long been pillars of democracy, providing access to knowledge, diverse perspectives, and the freedom to learn. But today, they are under attack. Book bans are surging, librarians are being threatened with arrest, and political groups are using these assaults as fundraising tools to gain power and control over public education.
In this episode of The Counter, we sit down with Patrick Sweeney, Political Director for EveryLibrary, to discuss the urgent need to protect public libraries, combat censorship, and defend the right to read and learn freely. This fight isn’t just about bo...
2024-08-2856 min
The CounterThe Arts as Activism—Shaping Culture, Strengthening Democracy with Jon Lawrence RiveraArt is more than entertainment—it’s a powerful force for cultural change and democratic strength. Throughout history, artists have used their work to challenge injustice, amplify diverse voices, and inspire movements for social change. In today’s socio-political climate, the arts—especially live theater—remain a vital space for activism and transformation.
In this episode of The Counter, Penny Ronning and Jon Lawrence Rivera explore how theater and the arts respond to pressing social issues, the importance of authentic representation on stage, and the responsibility of arts institutions to uphold diversity and inclusion. They discuss how artists ca...
2024-08-2156 min
The CounterThe Counter - Show IntroductionAmerica is in trouble. Our democracy is being threatened.
We are not up against individual candidates.
We are up against organized and well-funded far-right movements to replace our nation’s democracy with their authoritarian government.
It’s time for a countermovement.
It’s time for The Counter.
On February 1, 1960, four black college students sat at a lunch counter in Greensboro, North Carolina, and politely asked for service. Despite being refused and threatened, they remained seated. Their courageous, non-violent actions inspired others to rise and change our country.
For years, D...
2024-07-3101 min
Talk TraffickingHeather Estus - The Worthy RanchHeather Estes shares her journey of discovering self-worth and developing the Worthiness Formula. She explains the importance of understanding one's self-worth and the impact of trauma on one's belief system. Heather emphasizes the power of core values and making decisions based on who you are. She discusses the potential of third graders and the decline of self-worth in middle school and high school. Heather also shares her vision for The Worthy Ranch, a program that provides respite and restoration for survivors of human trafficking and domestic abuse.
In this conversation, Heather emphasizes the importance of providing places...
2024-07-101h 03
Talk TraffickingDallas Knight - Skull GamesIn this episode, Dallas Knight from Skull Games discusses the organization's mission and work in combating human trafficking. She shares her personal journey from the military to civilian life and how she became involved with Skull Games. Additionally, Dallas highlights the role of Skull Games in supporting law enforcement and providing them with strong leads to investigate potential trafficking.
Penny and Dallas also explore the connection between escort ads and trafficking and stress the importance of recognizing human trafficking in communities. Dallas emphasizes the need for education and action to combat human trafficking, and she discusses the...
2024-07-0327 min
Talk TraffickingJan Edwards - Paving The Way FoundationJan Edwards from the Paving the Way Foundation discusses the strategy of disrupting the cycle of child trafficking and online exploitation through education and awareness programs. She emphasizes the prevalence of child trafficking and exploitation, both in rural and urban areas, and the role of online platforms (Big Tech) in facilitating these crimes.
Jan provides practical steps individuals can take to combat child trafficking and delivers important actions to take when a child or an adult is threatened or exploited online.
The conversation also explores the concept of grooming and the tactics used by predators...
2024-06-2644 min
Talk TraffickingRebekah Hope - Survivor AdvocateRebekah Hope shares her personal story of surviving childhood sexual abuse, gang activity, and human trafficking. Rebekah’s story begins at a young age in Billings, Montana, takes her to Atlanta, Georgia where she escapes with her life, and follows her back to Montana where she begins her healing journey. In this conversation, Rebekah emphasizes the importance of recognizing and supporting survivors of childhood sexual trauma, the physical and psychological health challenges that survivors experience, and the need for comprehensive, victim-centered, long-term care services.
Penny and Rebekah share how survivor stories have a powerful impact on the fig...
2024-06-1949 min
Talk TraffickingRosemary Smith - Getting Better FoundationIn this uplifting conversation, Rosemary Smith, from the Getting Better Foundation, discusses with Penny Ronning the positive impact of media literacy and critical thinking skills on combating human trafficking and strengthening democracy. Rosemary shares the story of Edgar Welch and Pizzagate to illustrate how misinformation can lead to violence and she highlights the importance of media literacy education in building trust.
Rosemary covers practical tools for developing critical thinking skills and distinguishing fact-based information from falsehoods. Penny and Rosemary emphasize the value of diverse perspectives and the power of storytelling in promoting empathy and understanding. They also d...
2024-06-1244 min
Talk TraffickingJulia Lillethun - Survivor AdvocateJulia Lillethun bravely shares her story of resilience and healing after surviving a brutally and sexually violent attack by a serial rapist. She talks about the physical and emotional trauma she experienced, as well as the judgment and victim-blaming she faced. Julia also discusses the challenges of overcoming self-blame and accepting what happened. She emphasizes the importance of changing the internal dialogue and reframing the narrative to focus on survival and making the right decisions.
In this episode, Julia highlights the impact of trauma on her family and children, and the difficulties they faced together. She recounts t...
2024-06-051h 03
Talk TraffickingLouis Greek - Truckers Against Trafficking (TAT)In this episode, Louie Greek from TAT (Truckers Against Trafficking), focuses on the efforts being made in the trucking industry to fight sex trafficking. The conversation covers various topics such as what sex trafficking looks like on American highways, the crucial role played by truck drivers in combating trafficking, the significance of survivor voices, and addressing the demand (buyers) side of human trafficking. Louie encourages listeners to take action in their communities and access resources provided by TAT to fight human trafficking.
Louie highlights the importance of reporting and how it can help prevent human trafficking. He...
2024-05-2946 min
Talk TraffickingChris McKenna - Protect Young EyesPrior to Interview: Clip of Chris McKenna testifying before the United States Congress.
In this conversation, Chris McKenna, the founder of Protect Young Eyes, stresses the essential role of parents in educating their children about technology and the digital world. He emphasizes the importance of building a strong foundation of trust and communication between parents and children and the key role of modeling and authentic connection in helping kids navigate digital spaces. Chris also explains the five layers of protection, with the relationship layer being the most critical. He underscores the significance of routers in creating a...
2024-05-2246 min
Talk TraffickingJuliette Angelo - Survivor AdvocateSinger-songwriter and actress, Juliette Angelo, shares her story of survival, including experiences of child exploitation and abuse. She sheds light on the lack of protection and enforcement of child labor laws in the entertainment industry, particularly in theater and dance. Juliette highlights the sexualization of child actors and the disturbing trends she witnessed while growing up. She calls for accountability and positive change within the industry.
The conversation explores themes of parenting, the seduction of fame, the impact of sobriety on her healing journey, and finding identity and purpose after trauma. Juliette emphasizes the importance of honesty...
2024-05-151h 23
Talk TraffickingJessica Kay - Survivor AdvocateJessica Kay shares her personal story of being trafficked and the challenges she faced on her journey towards healing. She underlines the need for stronger safety measures for at-risk youth and other vulnerable populations, as well as the importance of educational programs on prevention in schools and systems.
In this episode Jessica highlights the significance of survivor voices in all aspects of the anti-trafficking movement and the need for long-term services such as housing, job training, and specialized training for professionals. She also emphasizes the importance of respecting the choice and consent of survivors in advocacy and st...
2024-05-081h 07
Talk TraffickingJenna McKaye - Survivor AdvocateJenna McKaye is a survivor leader and advocate who shares her story, healing journey, and work done to stay on her path of healing. In this episode, she talks of being trafficked at a young age by someone she trusted, and the importance of healthcare providers being educated in identifying trafficking victims and providing resources to leave their trafficker.
Penny and Jenna discuss branding in human trafficking, the need for awareness and identification of trafficking victims, and the significance of safe housing and comprehensive healing programs. Jenna emphasizes the importance of survivor voices and the role of...
2024-05-0154 min
2024-04-1800 min
The William B. Henry ExperienceEpisode 6 - Penny RonningTrigger Warning... This episode is about human trafficking. Billings City Council Woman Penny Ronning is working hard to fight sex trafficking in our city. Human trafficking is happening right here, right under our noses. Penny has trained with the FBI, works with CASA to advocate for children in our foster care system and works with the Billings Police Department to help improve communication between government and the public. Listen to this episode and learn how you can get involved and what you can do to change our city.
2021-01-0421 min