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Rich Griffin And Mal Romanin
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Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Trade Deadline Looms
In this episode of Exit Philosophy, Griffin and Mal discuss the All-star game with all its tweaks, like Mic’d up players, the limited challenge system and the swing off to end a tie. What about the Blue Jays and the 2025 draft. Is scouting director Marc Tramuta bringing a new philosophy? What about Vlad? Is he worth all that money and being the All-Star starting first baseman? Then with the trade deadline approaching, why do they need more bullpen help. Subscribe, like and leave a review wherever you listen or watch your podcasts. INDEX: ...
2025-07-20
56 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Blue Jays All-Star Edition
The Blue Jays are arriving at the All-Star break with an unexpected lead in the once-again powerful AL East. How did their once-ridiculed farm system create a lineup with this much significant length from unexpected sources? What do the Jays need to do at the trade deadline to maintain a 95-win pace? Was George Springer the biggest All-Star snub and what about Max Scherzer as a legacy selection? The MLB Draft is at hand and the Jays have had just 5 major-leaguers out of the last five drafts. And is it a PR disaster for ownership to jack the price...
2025-07-12
54 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Shaken Belief in Jays Relief
The Blue Jays bullpen alarmingly turned three leads into losses on the way to a devastating four-game losing streak vs. the Guardians and Angels. Griff and Mal discuss how rare it is for a team’s two highest leverage relievers to slump at the same time and are there any possible solutions. Recent roster changes include RH Spencer Turnbull and RH Jose Urena aimed to solve the crisis that has emerged at the back-end of the rotation, filling in for Max Scherzer and after Easton Lucas and his brief two-start time as the answer. Discussing Alan Roden and if it w...
2025-05-09
1h 05
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Fans Need More
The Blue Jays opening homestand was undeniably less than satisfying, even though the team finished up a successful 5-2 set at Rogers Centre before heading to New York for the Mets home opener. Maybe it’s because the attendance was disappointing. Maybe it was that the front end of the bullpen was abysmal in three of the games, led by the failures of secondary southpaws Richard Lovelady and his replacement Mason Fluharty. On this edition of Exit Philosophy, Griff and Mal discuss MGR John Schneider’s learning process with a team relying on its rotation and some spectacular defence to g...
2025-04-06
46 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Good, The Vlad and The Ugly
With more and more information leaking out last week regarding Vlad Guerrero Jr. and his multi-year contract expectations, Mal and Griff discuss whether there is there any team in baseball that will meet the 26-year-old’s apparent demands for a “current value” contract extension for 14 years that would almost equal Ohtani and may start with a five? And what happens if Vlad posts numbers more like 2023 than his MVP level ’24 stats? Dave Roberts after years of being second-guessed was rewarded by the Dodgers making him the highest paid manager in MLB. How did he reach that point and is there an...
2025-03-14
1h 07
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Sixth Starter Argument
The Blue Jays are spending $77.5M in payroll on their talented Top 4 starting pitchers, so how to protect this investment and make sure the rotation has its best chance to remain healthy and productive. Mal and Griff outline a plan for a six-man rotation that affords at least one extra day of rest for 90 of 97 games pre-All-Star. With Pete Alonso re-signing with the Mets, are the Jays done with improvements to the lineup and, if so, what letter-grade do they deserve. The Top 5 list is rating the AL infields and do the Jays make the list? A Super Bowl...
2025-02-07
1h 08
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Scherzer Surprise
The late-breaking Max Scherzer signing by the Blue Jays leads this week’s discussion on Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal. Is the Dodgers spending spree in building a potential dynasty good for baseball. Does MLB, in fact, need an Evil Empire? An up close look at MLB win totals from Bet 365 with the Jays set at 76.5. Mal says that’s about right. Why is nobody allowed to talk directly to Pete Alonso? Have the Jays done enough this off-season and can it ever be enough without extending Vlad? INDEX: 0:00-Max Scherzer signing 9:15-NFL c...
2025-01-31
1h 13
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Santander Impact
How important for the 2025 season was the Blue Jays signing of OF Anthony Santander to a five-year free-agent contract and what does the projected lineup now look like. Griff and Mal discuss. They evaluate the merits of Hall-of-Fame voting results and the ‘25 class featuring Ichiro, CC Sabathia and Billy Wagner. The Top 5 list compiles the most lucrative total value contracts in Jays history, led by George Springer, at $140M. The fact that is the 89th biggest deal in MLB history leads to the belief that if you are going to claim to be a big-market team then you need to...
2025-01-24
1h 04
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
Griff's Conversation with Terry Francona
Having recently joined the Reds as manager, Terry Francona is eventually headed to the Hall-of-Fame, but for now has accepted the challenge in Cincinnati and their talented young stars. Tito joins Griff’s Conversation and reflects on his years as a player with the Expos, as teammates with Pete Rose, managing Michael Jordan, being a son of a major-leaguer, friendships in baseball, managing the Rex Sox, breaking the Curse of the Bambino and far more. INDEX: 0:00 - Intro 0:39 - Good health and a comeback with the Reds 2:03 - Relating to a youn...
2025-01-20
46 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Bronze Age
Following Blue Jays signing of closer Jeff Hoffman to a 3-year, $33-million free agent contract, it was leaked that the O’s and Braves had each reached a tentative agreement with the ex-Phillies setup man, but didn’t like what the physicals revealed and backed away. That may mean the Jays were actually a third choice for the team’s own former first round draft pick, lining up with other, apparent, bronze medal finishes surrounding Ohtani, Soto, Corbin Burnes and maybe an upcoming podium finish with RHP Roki Sasaki. Exit philosophy explains that the Jays still have some money availa...
2025-01-16
1h 08
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Arb Files
The Jays payroll fog has lifted with MLB’s arbitration deadline seeing all seven roster players agree to terms for 2025, leaving well over $30M to add talent for a quick rebuild. But it still all seems to centre on Vlad Guerrero and whether he will be long-term or simply one and done as a ‘26 free agent. Vlad signed for $28.5M and what does that mean? Mal and I do a deep dive into the Jays projected final payroll and how they may spend to add talent with half the off-season remaining. Our Top 5 list is of current managers with no M...
2025-01-10
1h 19
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
Conversations With Griff - Buck Martinez
In Griff’s Conversation, my guest is the ever-resilient Blue Jays broadcaster, Buck Martinez. Still going strong and ready for another season, Buck goes deep regarding his often complex relationships with Ernie Whitt, Bobby Cox, his Jays teammates, Chris Berman and Cal Ripken’s game-saving moment, the Toronto media, his time as Jays manager, knowing he was going to be fired, his work-ethic with partners in the booth, his respect and genuine affection for the fan base and his wife of 50 years, Arlene, his trusted advisor and guiding light. ---- Get the video version of "Exit...
2025-01-06
59 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Name of the Blame
The new year has arrived and, following Exit Philosophy’s one week holiday hiatus, nothing has really changed for the baffling Blue Jays. With more than half the off-season still ahead, prior to Opening Day, in terms of the Jays wish-list, they could use another outfield bat, a starter, and, most especially, fans would love to see any signs of progress in signing Vlad Guerrero Jr to an extension. But, do they really want to sign their star first-baseman? This week, Griff and Mal and discuss who is most to blame for the Vlad crisis. Is it Edward Rogers, Ma...
2025-01-03
1h 03
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Future is Vlad
It has become far more than just one player, one contract. The decision on an extension for Vlad Guerrero Jr. by the Blue Jays will have a ripple effect on the future of the franchise, either up or down. Mal and Griff discuss what has become a key moment in, recent, franchise history, as we offer up a solution that would make Vlad one of the highest paid players in the game. Timing is everything. Exit Philosophy offers up a Top 5 list of Blue Jays catchers through the years. We discuss my 2025 Hall-of-Fame ballot, the impact of Andres Gimenez...
2024-12-19
1h 03
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Gold Glove Fixation
The Blue Jays have added yet another Gold Glove, this time from the Guardians, in the wake of losing out on Juan Soto. With run prevention taken care of were the Jays ever really in play for the most prized free agent since … uh, Ohtani. This Scott Boras-orchestrated winter meeting was busy and eventful, but the Jays need to follow up with some bats in order to compete. This week’s list has Mal and me offering the Top 5 pitchers we have seen that are not enshrined at Cooperstown. ---- Get the video version of Exit...
2024-12-13
1h 15
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Winter Meetings Primer
With the annual MLB Winter Meetings in Dallas this week, Griff and Mal offer an Exit Philosophy primer on the process, with personal memories from past meetings, plus a preview of what to expect and how the whole thing works. It could be a busy week for transactions. We interpret this week’s GM Ross Atkins session with the Toronto BBWAA, offer up our Top 5 lists of favourite MLB ballparks and, of course, update our thoughts on the looming contract situations with Soto and Vlad. Plus some spirited NFL discussion. ---- Get the video version of...
2024-12-06
1h 11
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Blue Jays Free Agency Deep Dive
The Blue Jays have to deal with a handful of obvious needs if they truly want to compete immediately, part of a quick rebuild for 2025. The free agent pool is an easy shortcut, especially as a cure for what has become a shallow bullpen, with as many as five spots still open. Griff and Mal discuss the recent non-tender list swelling the FA relief pool to 100 and talk about whether Jordan Romano could ever return to the Jays. Is the Blake Snell signing by the Dodgers bad for baseball and then they debate a suggested Top 5 list of GM...
2024-11-29
1h 05
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The 40-Man Roster Roulette
The deadline for setting 40-man rosters has come and gone and the Blue Jays chose not to add any of their dozen Rule 5 eligible Top 30 prospects, meaning they can be lost to any other team in the draft, December. 11. Is that something or nothing? Owners meetings and the commissioner reacts to the Rays dilemma. Dealing with Scott Boras and possibility of an accelerated Soto signing decision. Argument for a 6-man Jays rotation and more. ---- Get the video version of Exit Philosophy on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExitPhilosophy ----
2024-11-21
1h 06
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Jays Present Best Soto Pitch
Blue Jays brass will reportedly fly to Los Angeles this week to meet with Juan Soto’s reps. Atkins and Shapiro will likely present their best offer for the best free agent available, but will it be enough? The Red Sox, Mets and Yankees are next and history tells you that going first in negotiations is never a good thing. Mal and Griff ponder the unexpected departure of popular hitting coach Matt Hague to the Pirates and set up the arrival of Jays new director, amateur Scouting, Marc Tramuta. In addition, Exit Philosophy discusses Bo Bichette’s place in MLB...
2024-11-15
1h 10
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
Conversations with Griff - Rodger Brulotte
For years, the unique home run calls of Expos French-language broadcaster Rodger Brulotte have received huge airplay across North America. Excited and drawn out, “Bonsoir, elle est parti” was delivered as if each homer was Game 7 of a World Series. But Rodger was far more than that for the first Canadian franchise. Over 36 years of the Expos, Rodger had duties in scouting, PR, marketing, promotions, as traveling secretary and a TV/Radio star. Brulotte joins Griff’s Conversation with stories of Pebble Beach, Youppi, a young Celine Dion and much more. ---- Get the video versio...
2024-11-12
54 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Santander v. Soto Reality
With the San Antonio GM Meetings ongoing, it signals the launch of what will be the most important off-season in the 10 years of this Blue Jays front office. In Exit Philosophy, Season 2 Episode 43, Griff and Mal suggest a blueprint GM Ross Atkins might want to follow if this team hopes to add the 14-16 wins to their record, necessary to compete for a wild-card in ’25. The importance of being super-agent Scott Boras and how his list of high-priced clients, led by Juan Soto, Pete Alonso, Corbin Burns and others will control the pace and timing of the Hot Stove of...
2024-11-07
1h 07
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The World According to Gibby
Former Blue Jays manager John Gibbons joins Griff and Mal on Exit Philosophy to discuss the ‘24 World Series, his role as bench coach with the Mets, his long and grinding road on and off the field including two stints as Jays skipper, thoughts on all of his GMs in Toronto, plus it’s clear the urge to manage again, is still there, as reflected by his recent interview with the White Sox. ---- Get the video version of Exit Philosophy on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExitPhilosophy ---- For the f...
2024-10-31
54 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
THE COAST-TO-COAST FALL CLASSIC
Exit Philosophy, Episode 41, Griff and Mal discuss the prospect of the Jays making a serious run at free-agent Juan Soto. Pay tribute to the late Fernando Valenzuela on the eve of The ’24 World Series, a rematch between his team, the Dodgers and their nemesis the Yankees. The ’81 season was the dawn of FernandoMania and the closest the Expos came to reaching the World Series, ending with Blue Monday, Game 5 of the NLCS started by Fernando. The Blue Jays rebuild has already begun and the first baby steps include a new hitting coach brought in from outside. The importance of sign...
2024-10-24
1h 08
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
THE SAD DEMISE OF THE PLAYOFF ROTATION
Griff and Mal in Episode 40 discuss the damaging changes in MLB post-season strategy wherein bullpens dominate and a deep starting rotation is no longer important. At a time when baseball should be offering up its marquee pitching stars to combat the competition — the opening of the NBA and NHL seasons, with the NFL in full swing, 6-7 pitchers in a combined shutout is how teams feel they can win. Exit Philosophy revisits the legacy of Cito Gaston and examines the encouraging trajectory of youth and elite baseball in Canada. ---- Get the audio version of Exi...
2024-10-17
1h 14
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Former Flak Philosophy
After a short hiatus, Exit Philosophy returns with interim co-host, Mal Romanin, who enters with 12 years as the Blue Jays Director of Communications, with that coming off 10 years in the Jays press box as an original analytics guy. Featured in Episode 39 are discussions on the difficulties in a 5-month Blue Jays rebuild, especially with this front-office, a look at the remaining MLB playoff participants, critiquing the Shapiro/Atkins end-of-year availability, plus a series of sure-fire NFL Week 6 winners. ---- Get the audio version of Exit Philosophy wherever you get your podcasts, including: Apple: ht...
2024-10-12
1h 07
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
Conversations with Griff - Ernie Whitt
Earlier this summer, Griff’s the Pitch caught up with Ernie Whitt for a wide-ranging conversation in which the former Jays’ catcher describes his time in Toronto, many of the highlight moments from his 26 years as manager of Team Canada that includes every WBC event and how his experiences almost make him feel Canadian. ---- Get the audio version of Exit Philosophy wherever you get your podcasts, including: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Q0MJVS...
2024-10-09
44 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E38 - The Last Dance
What, if anything, is there left for the Toronto Blue Jays to learn about themselves in the final three games of the regular season? Griff and Scotty Mac discuss the roster machinations which cost Rowdy Tellez a bonus in Pittsburgh and Zach Pop crucial service time in Toronto. Griff takes us back to 1979 to counter those who are upset the Mets and Braves will play an inclement weather-influenced doubleheader the day after the regular season ends. The episode closes with the guys making an announcement.
2024-09-27
59 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
Griff's Baseball Conversations - Dave Van Horne
It was 55 years ago that an entire nation was introduced to the passion of Montreal Expos baseball. Canada's first Major League Baseball team was on TV just once per week, so it was all about re-creating in your mind's eye via Dave Van Horne and his partners on radio. Dave was the voice of summer for many generations. In our latest Griff's Baseball Conversations, Dave and I recall the start of his career, the many Hall-of-Fame partners he worked with, and we go down the list of positive franchise memories that still make us all smile.
2024-09-23
1h 09
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E37 - The Summer of Shohei
Griff and Scotty Mac celebrate Shohei Ohtani's historic 50/50 season (50 home runs, 50 stolen bases), but not before they break down Rogers' takeover of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment and what it means for the Toronto Blue Jays and the professional sports landscape in the city. Included in the discussion, the increasingly blurred relationship between the teams and the media which cover them.
2024-09-20
55 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E36 - The Options Bo Knows
After starting off with more love for Toronto Blue Jays breakout Bowden Francis, Griff and Scotty Mac shift their attention to recent comments from shortstop Bo Bichette, whose 2024 season has been one he'd like to forget. What Bo told Sportsnet's Shi Davidi was markedly different than what he told the Toronto Star's Rosie DiManno a couple of months ago; the guys consider Bo's motivations and options in the months and year ahead.
2024-09-13
1h 06
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E35 - The Road to Rapid Reload
The Toronto Blue Jays are into the final month of the season and the kids have been playing long enough now for Griff and Scotty Mac to play "Realistic Ronnies" (as opposed to "Negative Nellies") and give their opinions on where the young players fit, or don't, on the 2025 roster and beyond. Bowden Francis continues to ascend; and a comment about Chris Bassitt triggers memories of the guys covering R.A. Dickey.
2024-09-02
1h 00
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E34 - The Belated Bowden Bounce
PROGRAMMING NOTE: A longer, unedited version of this episode can be found, no later than Wednesday, on youtube.com/@exitphilosophy. In this episode, Griff and Scotty Mac discuss the recent 16-game run against lesser teams and whether the Toronto Blue Jays 10-6 record was a mirage. Joey Votto retires - did the Blue Jays handle it properly? And as Bo Bichette nears a return from the injured list the guys discuss whether he can salvage his season.
2024-08-26
37 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E33 - The Wrigleyville Bucket List
Following the Toronto Blue Jays' weekend visit to Wrigley Field, Griff and Scotty Mac, both of whom have been to the fabled stadium on many different occasions, share their favourite memories. The conversation then turns to Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s and Bo Bichette's long-term situations, how and why the situations are so different and what, if anything, can be done to rectify the relationship with Bichette. How should Vladdy approach his negotiation?
2024-08-20
1h 09
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E32 - The Get It Done League
It's the 30th anniversary of the 1994 Major League Baseball players' strike, a sadly pivotal moment in Montreal Expos history and a moment which literally changed the course of Griff's life, as he details in this episode. Then, the guys get into Toronto Blue Jays President and CEO Mark Shapiro's media availability from last week and it leads to a lively discussion.
2024-08-12
1h 13
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E31 - The Run Prevention Apology
It's been almost a week since the MLB Trade Deadline and Scotty Mac wants to know, has the dopamine rush ended yet? Getting Vladimir Guerrero Jr. signed long term needs to be the top priority. The guys discuss who of the Toronto Blue Jays' young players should have a guaranteed spot on the 2025 opening day roster. Has the mood changed with regard to the Jays' front office and if so, why? The Chicago White Sox are historically awful.
2024-08-05
1h 08
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E30 - The Winds of Change
PROGRAMMING NOTE: Griff and Scotty Mac will be LIVE on YouTube at 8pmET on Tuesday, July 30, recapping the Major League Baseball trade deadline. Join in the conversation at www.youtube.com/@exitphilosophy As of this recording the Toronto Blue Jays have traded Yimi Garcia, Nate Pearson, and Danny Jansen. There's more to come, surely, headlined by Yusei Kikuchi. The guys look at the trades, reflect fondly on Jansen's time in Toronto and Scotty Mac wonders where it went wrong for Pearson, who once was a can't-miss prospect.
2024-07-29
1h 11
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E29 - The Evolution of the Blue Jays Beat
Griff and this week's co-host, Dave Perkins, discuss their mutual history at the Toronto Star, with Dave as sports editor hiring Griff away from the Montreal Expos. They discuss how fans and the media have evolved through the years from the early 1990s to now. They talk the Hall-of-Fame and memories of Jim Leyland, plus a recent father-son road trip to Cincinnati and Pittsburgh by Dave. Then there's the Jays, the deservedly maligned front office and what they might do at the trade deadline.
2024-07-24
1h 06
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E28 - The Vlad-Teoscar Reunion?
Former Toronto Blue Jays outfielder Teoscar Hernandez wins the Home Run Derby at the MLB All-Star Game. And who was that wearing his jersey? And should those two be reunited in 2025? Griff wonders why a 5-4 western road trip felt worse than the winning record suggests. Scotty Mac ranks MLB franchises from 2001, Rogers first full season as owners of the Blue Jays, until now and, ooooof, does it not look good for Toronto relative to its market size.
2024-07-16
1h 09
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E27 - The Seattle Celly
Off a mostly successful weekend in Seattle for the Toronto Blue Jays, Griff and Scotty Mac share memories of the annual trip to the Jays' western "home away from home." Do we owe George Springer an apology? With Kevin Pillar reaching the coveted 10 years of Major League service time, the guys celebrate Pillar's unlikely career. Plus, a debate over who should be the All-Star Game's starting pitchers and are the Blue Jays properly represented in the game with only Vladdy going?
2024-07-08
1h 04
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E26 - The Dog Days of July
Griff and Scotty Mac record on Tuesday, July 2, fresh off the Toronto Blue Jays' Canada Day loss to the Houston Astros, Toronto's 10th defeat in 13 games. Griff thinks a major piece of the Jays' core could be dealt at the trade deadline; Scotty Mac isn't so sure because of what it would mean for the front office. What was with the empty seats at Rogers Centre on Canada Day?
2024-07-02
1h 00
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E25 - The Silence of the Scams
The Toronto Blue Jays are experiencing "a season in crisis," as Scotty Mac now puts it. Griff and Scotty Mac discuss who in the Blue Jays organization needs to speak to this mess and their answer may surprise you. Is there even the posssibility of accountability from on high? How close is the team to be sure-fire sellers at the trade deadline? Who, at this point, should be in the lineup on a day-in, day-out basis? The guys are worked up today!
2024-06-24
1h 03
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E24 - The Sustainability Quandary
The Toronto Blue Jays have made changes to the roster; it's apparent the club's philosophy also has changed in its pursuit of more offence. Griff and Scotty Mac wonder: is the new philosophy sustainable? The Blue Jays are dealing with another worrying injury in the bullpen. And the 30th anniversary of the OJ Simpson Bronco chase brings up where-were-we-then memories.
2024-06-17
1h 03
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E23 - The Bigg Chill
Cavan Biggio's time with the Toronto Blue Jays is over. Were Griff and Scotty Mac surprised? What's the rationale? The guys try to figure out the fifth spot in the starting rotation now that Alek Manoah's season is over. And off of the series victory in Oakland, the guys share memories of the Coliseum now that the Blue Jays have paid their last visit to the stadium.
2024-06-11
1h 10
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E23 - The Bigg Chill
Cavan Biggio's time with the Toronto Blue Jays is over. Were Griff and Scotty Mac surprised? What's the rationale? The guys try to figure out the fifth spot in the starting rotation now that Alek Manoah's season is over. And off of the series victory in Oakland, the guys share memories of the Coliseum now that the Blue Jays have paid their last visit to the stadium.
2024-06-10
35 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E22 - The Month of Reckoning
PROGRAMMING NOTE: Griff and Scotty Mac will be LIVE on YouTube after the Toronto Blue Jays vs. Baltimore Orioles game on the evening of Wednesday, June 5; check it out at youtube.com/@exitphilosophy. In this episode: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. plays third base; the guys discuss the "why" behind the move. As the Blue Jays hope for the best with injured pitchers Alek Manoah and Jordan Romano, don't buy any attempts to sell their possible long-term absences as a reasons for a bad season. And, is Bo Bichette unhappy?
2024-06-03
1h 18
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E21 - The Pitchfork in the Road
Griff and Scotty Mac record after the Toronto Blue Jays win over the Chicago White Sox on Monday, May 27, which improved the Jays to 24-29. All is not well, however, and the guys each give three moves they would make right now to try to right the ship. One of Scotty Mac's suggestions leads to an intense back and forth. Plus, the Blue Jays are about to unveil their City Connect jerseys.
2024-05-28
1h 12
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E20 - The Victoria Day Secrets
PROGRAMMING NOTE: Griff and Scotty Mac will go LIVE on their YouTube page, at youtube.com/exitphilosophy, after the Toronto Blue Jays at Detroit Tigers game on Thursday evening, May 23rd. Meanwhile, in this episode, the guys pay tribute to Canadian broadcasting legend Darren Dutchyshen before breaking down Ross Atkins' holiday weekend press availability, the changes to the batting order, the importance of the next couple of weeks against "weaker" opponents, and the apparent return to form of former ace Alek Manoah.
2024-05-21
1h 08
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E19 - The Return of the Manoah
The Toronto Blue Jays are heading into a crucial stretch and the results will dictate the path forward. Griff and Scotty Mac agree that continued underwhelming results will lead to at least one significant shake up in the organization. Alek Manoah looked good in his Mother's Day start against Minnesota, didn't he. Part of the Blue Jays' problems this year can be traced to unexpected weaknesses.
2024-05-13
1h 01
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E18 - The Spotlight's on Blue Jays
Scotty Mac returns and the guys discuss the heat on the Blue Jays to get this season turned around. Scotty isn't up for the criticism of the hitting coaches for the offensive struggles and demands a moratorium on firings until one particular individual is let go. How does Griff feel about Alek Manoah's first big league start of the season? And the guys offer quick thoughts on the state of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
2024-05-06
1h 08
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E17 - The Manoah re-Born Identity
With RH Yariel Rodriguez forced onto the IL on Tuesday with back issues, the opening is there for RH Alek Manoah, coming off a great start at AAA-Buffalo, to re-enter the Blue Jays rotation as early as Sunday at the Nationals. Plus, Rich Griffin talks the return of C Danny Jansen, the struggles of the big three at the top of the Jays order, the future of GM Ross Atkins and more.
2024-05-01
31 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E16 - The Vibe Has Spoken
At the time of recording, the Toronto Blue Jays have won four consecutive series so Griff and Scotty Mac do a vibe check. There's a lot to like, sure, but there are still some consequential questions that need to be answered. Jose Berrios is the early front-runner for the American League Cy Young Award; and why, exactly, is George Springer still leading off?
2024-04-22
58 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E15 - The Jackie Robinson Impact
The guys record on April 15th, which is Jackie Robinson Day in Major League Baseball; Griff traces Jackie's roots to the Montreal Royals, which leads to a discussion about how far the sport has come ... AND how far it still has to go. How weird a period of time is this for the Blue Jays and Vladimir Guerrero Jr.? Scotty Mac offers a thought on how to manage Yariel Rodriguez's availability.
2024-04-15
59 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E14 - The Dome Opener
Griff and Scotty Mac give their early-season assessment of the Toronto Blue Jays, including the 4-6 season-starting road trip and the tempered hoopla of what was an otherwise successful home opener. Fans showed a definite hesitance to embrace the team. Did manager John Schneider deserve to be booed? The guys give their thoughts on the centre field camera vantage point and discuss the run of pitching injuries around baseball.
2024-04-09
1h 02
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E13 - The No-No Sans Bo
Griff and Scotty Mac record a day later than usual and the Toronto Blue Jays gift them a no-hitter for sure content. The guys try to separate the dismal result in one game from the bigger picture while also wondering if some concerning trends from 2023 are re-appearing early this season. The guys have early-season thoughts on the offence, defence and pitching ... and Scotty Mac doesn't want anyone giving up on a particular pitcher just yet.
2024-04-02
1h 04
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E12 - The Summer Marathon Begins
Kevin Gausman impresses in Grapefruit League play, increasing the likelihood that he'll be able to make his first start of the season on time. Griff and Scotty Mac take a look at the Blue Jays' opening day bench and wonder if there could be at least one relatively quick change. Plus, the guys weigh in on the gambling scandal in Shohei Ohtani's orbit.
2024-03-26
1h 02
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E11 - The Mano de Jano
Danny Jansen is injured again and Scotty Mac says if Jansen can't stay consistently healthy this season, it'll put the Blue Jays in a tough spot when Jansen hits free agency in November. Griff and Scotty Mac relive the rollercoaster ride of Joey Votto's first Grapefruit League at-bat with the Blue Jays. And in honour of St. Patrick's Day, the guys go through a list of all-time Blue Jays named ... Patrick.
2024-03-18
1h 04
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E10 - The Votto Gambit
It's cool to see Joey Votto wearing Toronto Blue Jays gear ... but will there be any more to the Votto signing? Griff's theory will intrigue you. Plus, Griff and Scotty Mac breakdown the American League East including playoff predictions for each team in the division.
2024-03-11
1h 06
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E9 - The Boras Conundrum
Griff and Scotty Mac are pretty confident this wasn't the offseason baseball's most powerful agent, Scott Boras, was envisioning for his clients. Why didn't the Toronto Blue Jays jump back into the Matt Chapman market once it was clear he was going to come cheap? Shoulder soreness plaguing two key Blue Jays' pitchers leads to a conversation about the team's depth.
2024-03-04
1h 02
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S2E8 - The Chapman Cometh?
Cody Bellinger returns to the Chicago Cubs on a contract much shorter in term, and much lesser in dollars, than anyone anticipated. Griff and Scotty Mac wonder if the parameters of Bellinger's contract pave the way for Matt Chapman's return to the Toronto Blue Jays on a similar deal. See through pants are the big issue at spring training; how does this happen? Who would you want closing for the Blue Jays if Jordan Romano got hurt?
2024-02-26
1h 01
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S2E7 - The Truth Bo Knows
Bo Bichette is taking the next step in his front-facing leadership role with the Toronto Blue Jays, calling for a higher level of internal accountability and greater expectation. Griff and Scotty Mac address Bichette's comments. Baseball's off-season problems, there remain high-profile free agents without contracts, continue ... at whose feet should the blame be laid? And did we hear Anthony Rendon correctly?
2024-02-21
1h 11
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The Hope Springs Eternal
Filling in for Scotty Mac, MLB.com’s Keegan Matheson joins Griff in a discussion of the powerful AL East. Not every team is going to be better so which fan bases are likely to be disappointed. Did MLB.com err in leaving Jordan Romano off the list of baseball’s Top 10 relievers. Should the Jays consider a six-man rotation in 2024 and the boys discuss the health and talent of the Jays starting five. Is it luck or by design. ---- Get the audio version of Exit Philosophy wherever you get your podcasts, including: Apple: https...
2024-02-14
46 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E5 - The O's-Jays Verdict
Comparing the Toronto Blue Jays and defending American League East winners the Baltimore Orioles, Griff and Scotty Mac go position-by-position to determine which player, from which team, they'd rather have at each spot. The guys pay tribute to the 2024 Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame inductees, discuss Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s arbitration hearing and end with giving their Super Bowl pick against the spread.
2024-02-06
1h 22
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E4 - The As The World Turners
The Toronto Blue Jays make news! Real news! Griff and Scotty Mac chat just hours after reports of the team reaching a one-year contract agreement with free agent Justin Turner. How much third base will Turner play this season? The guys pay tribute to former Blue Jays manager Jimy Williams, who passed away this week. And a little post-Championship weekend NFL talk to wrap up the show.
2024-01-30
59 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E3 - The Hot Stove Lacks Heat
Do the Blue Jays have time to salvage the off-season? Griff and Scotty Mac discuss. Also, Major League Baseball seems to struggle to remember that, in part, it's an entertainment industry. Griff reviews his Hall of Fame ballot and the guys make their NFL Championship Games picks.
2024-01-22
1h 20
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S2E2 - The Future Show is Vlad and Bo
Griff and Scotty Mac agree: The Blue Jays' front office needs an off-season "win." Also, players and their agents are realizing the market has shifted as a number of American-based MLB teams deal with the financial decline of their Regional Sports Networks. Therefore, now is the time to get Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. locked up to long-term contracts. Plus, the guys revisit their NFL wild card round picks against the spread and pick the divisional round winners.
2024-01-16
1h 18
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
S2E1 - The Weight of the Wait
It's early January, opening day isn't yet around the corner so there's plenty of time, but this current Blue Jays' roster isn't a .500 squad. The moves made, the decisions made, in the coming weeks will be crucial to the 2024 season. The guys discuss Bo Bichette's and Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s incentives to sign long-term. Plus, Griff and Scotty Mac make their NFL playoff picks against the spread.
2024-01-08
1h 20
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP32 - The Flight of the Unicorn
Any Toronto Blue Jays fan and Exit Philosophy listener knows what this episode's about: Shohei Ohtani, the Jays' pursuit, and the wild final week before Ohtani signed with the Dodgers.
2023-12-11
1h 09
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EP 31 - The Music City Wish List
Griff and Scotty Mac are pumped for Major League Baseball's Winter Meetings; well, pumped for what the Winter Meetings really mean, which is the hot stove talk starts to turn into actual, significant transactions. The Toronto Blue Jays are linked in reports to both Shohei Ohtani and Juan Soto. How realistic is it either player lands in Toronto? Cito Gaston got snubbed. And a tribute to Ben Wagner.
2023-12-04
1h 18
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EP 30 - The Soto Voce
Juan Soto, Toronto Blue Jay? Griff and Scotty Mac hope the Jays make a serious pitch for the San Diego Padres star. Griff wonders if the changes to Rogers Centre mean the Blue Jays can re-prioritize their roster. The guys are thrilled John Gibbons is back in a big league dugout.
2023-11-27
1h 15
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EP29 - The Woodruff and Ready
With the ecomonic landscape of baseball changing due to the collapse of some regional sports networks, Griff and Scotty Mac wonder if there are ways a well-resourced team like the Toronto Blue Jays can take advantage. The Blue Jays got creative with Chad Green, why not crank that creativity up a notch with Brandon Woodruff?
2023-11-20
1h 09
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP 28 - The Hale Mary
The Toronto Blue Jays bring DeMarlo Hale back into the fold and they'll be better for it. When, exactly, did a portion of the online Blue Jays fanbase decide Don Mattingly is stupid and out of touch ...also, what evidence is there to justify thinking this way? Do Griff and Scotty Mac still believe in Alek Manoah?
2023-11-14
1h 04
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EP 27 - The Offseason Journey Begins
One missed weak didn't tone down the takes. Joey Votto, Toronto Blue Jay? A discarded White Sox infielder, a future Toronto Blue Jay? Griff and Scotty Mac discuss whether the World Series deserved more attention ... and more eyeballs. The guys share their personal reasons for wearing a poppy and Griff shares a health update.
2023-11-06
1h 15
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP 26 - The Need for a Next Level Winter
As the Blue Jays get set for the offseason, Griff and Scotty Mac discuss the areas of improvement the franchise needs to address. How do the guys feel about the free agent crop? What has to happen for the Blue Jays to increase their regular season win total enough to contend for the American League East crown? Will Alek Manoah throw another pitch for the team? Plus, Griff has a theory on why the three AL East playoff teams bowed out so quickly.
2023-10-24
52 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP 25 - The Touch 'Em All Tribute
October 23rd marks the 30th anniversary of Joe Carter's World Series winning walk off home run, one of the most important moments in Toronto Blue Jays history. Griff and Scotty Mac share their first-hand memories of that iconic night; both were at the game, Griff working, and Scotty Mac as a young fan. Griff's got a great Donald Sutherland story.
2023-10-23
49 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP 24 - The Wheels of the Buck Go Round n' Round
Another week, another post mortem press conference held by the Toronto Blue Jays. This time, Griff and Scotty Mac react to what team President and CEO Mark Shapiro had to say. Scotty listened closely to the words ... and ... well ... listen to find out; Griff wonders about internal relationships within the franchise. The guys give their Championship Series predictions.
2023-10-16
56 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP 23 - The Ross Report
Griff and Scotty Mac answer your questions and attempt to answer some of their own in the wake of Blue Jays General Manager Ross Atkins' uncomfortable season-ending press conference; specifically: how can Atkins' relationship with manager John Schneider function properly moving forward and what are the most glaring holes the Jays need to address in the offseason? The guys pay tribute to Liz "Biggles" Holmes, one of the best known and most beloved Blue Jays fans, who passed away suddenly over the weekend.
2023-10-09
1h 06
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EP 22.2 - The Analytics Overthink
It's a special end-of-season edition of the show. Who should answer for the Blue Jays' disappointing season and how should they answer for it? Griff and Scotty Mac discuss and offer the front office some free advice. The guys answer some of YOUR questions you asked on (don't call it "Twitter" anymore). After disagreeing on almost all of their wild card round predictions, Griff and Scotty Mac predict the winners of the Division Series.
2023-10-06
1h 04
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP22.1 - The Wild Card Game 1 Loss
The Toronto Blue Jays lost 3-1 in Game 1 of their wild card playoff series against the Minnesota Twins. Griff and Scotty Mac give you their thoughts on the biggest plays of the game and their opinions on why things went wrong for the Jays.
2023-10-04
27 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP 22 - The October Sprint Begins
The MLB playoffs are here and the Toronto Blue Jays are in! Griff and Scotty Mac make suggestions for Blue Jays' playoff roster configuration and give their predictions for the wild card series against the Minnesota Twins; in a not so surprising development, the two disagree on how the series will go. Who will be key to a Blue Jays series win? Griff makes a bold prediction. And listen for the guys' exciting playoff YouTube announcement.
2023-10-02
1h 14
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EP21 - The Target or The Trop?
It looks like the Blue Jays will make the playoffs and will face either the Tampa Bay Rays (likely) or Minnesota Twins (less likely) in the wild card round. Who would you prefer? Do the guys agree? How would you set up the Blue Jays' wild card round starting rotation? Griff and Scotty Mac have a spirited debate over who should be American League MVP. And the guys announce their YouTube plans for the Jays' postseason!
2023-09-25
1h 07
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP20 - The Great Debate
In S1E20, the guys compare the 2015 and 2023 Blue Jays rosters and come to a surprising conclusion. Where to even begin with the week that was in Blue Jays Land? Who, exactly, was the crowd booing in the back half of Texas' series sweep? Scotty thinks he knows. Wins don't have to be pretty, they just need to pile up, and the Jays got in done over the weekend vs. Boston. And the guys discuss the latest Alek Manoah "news."
2023-09-18
1h 11
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP19 - The Hunt for Cred (In) October
The guys recorded on Monday morning, September 11th, so the show starts with Griff and Scotty Mac recalling where they were on that fateful day 22 years ago. The Blue Jays and Texas Rangers have an important series in Toronto this week and Scotty says if the Jays win the series, you can book them into the playoffs. Who would be in your Blue Jays starting rotation for the playoffs? The guys discuss. And the Mariners' George Kirby is angry he went over 90 pitches? It's a business thing.
2023-09-11
1h 12
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP18 - The Schneid According to Vlad
In S1E18, Griff and Scotty Mac discuss Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s disappointing season and whether it's time for manager John Schneider to more firmly address the topic with Vlad and then take it public; Scotty Mac wonders if Schneider is capable of it given the dynamics of the Blue Jays' front office. The Jays' path to reclaiming a playoff spot in the near-term is clear, obvious, and *shouldn't* be complicated. The guys are amused by the mess that is the L.A. Angels.
2023-09-05
1h 01
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EP17 - The Gibby Gospels
Not much needs to be said: Griff and Scotty Mac discuss a couple of hot current Blue Jays topics and then settle in for an hour-long talk with the one and only John Gibbons, the former Blue Jays manager who was in Toronto earlier in August to celebrate Jose Bautista. Gibby brings his usual humour and storytelling. Enjoy this chat, the guys sure did.
2023-08-28
1h 13
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP 16 - The Bo Show Full Go
In S1E16, Griff and Scotty Mac discuss the badly needed return of Bo Bichette to the lineup and a successful weekend against the Cincinnati Reds (that didn't start out well). The stretch drive begins with a healthy starting rotation and bullpen; can the offence please try to keep up? Why the Alek Manoah situation won't be a distraction and why is a coach tweeting minutes before a game starts?
2023-08-21
57 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP15 - The Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose
In S1E15, Griff and Scotty Mac celebrate the weekend that was for Jose Bautista; where does Saturday's ceremony rank among the all-time great Blue Jays moments? Was it a fitting tribute to one of the franchise's legendary players? Plus, after a sweep of the Red Sox a weekend ago, the Blue Jays settle back into a middling run of games. Does Griff believe there's more to this team? Does Scotty Mac? Listen and find out!
2023-08-14
1h 19
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP14 - The Other Schneider
In S1E14, the guys talk about Davis Schneider's epic debut weekend in the big leagues, the effect it's having on the other Blue Jays' hitters and whether Schneider has staying power. The Alex Verdugo situation is a mess in Boston (that's a *shame*). And ahead of Jose Bautista's more-than-deserved induction into the Blue Jays' Level of Excellence, the Griff and Scotty Mac look back on Bautista's time in Toronto and tell some fun stories about covering his teams.
2023-08-07
1h 12
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP13 - The Deadline Dilemma
The guys break down the Blue Jays' work at the trade deadline and muse about the continued underwhelming performance of the offence. A contract like George Springer's is supposed to pay off in its earlier stages, isn't it? Life without Bo Bichette, however long it will be, begins. And in Griff's Riffs, Griff relives the 2019 trade deadline, which took place during a game in Kansas City.
2023-08-02
1h 01
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EP12 - The Rotation Conundrum
In S1E12, the guys look back on the Blue Jays' weekend in Seattle. Did Alek Manoah cement his spot in the rotation for the rest of the year? Is George Springer the Blue Jays' leadoff hitter on reputation alone because he arrived in Toronto as a lauded leadoff hitter? Griff goes on a hall-of-fame rant about the Hall of Fame. Scotty Mac's in Charlottetown, loving it, and learning way more about Canadian/PEI legend Lucy Maud Montgomery than he thought!
2023-07-24
1h 09
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP11 - The Division of Death
In S1E11, the guys predict the year-end standings in the American League East and their picks will surprise you; the Blue Jays' six-man starting rotation is shaping up; and Griff remembers the day in 1997 when he played golf with two Cy Young Award winners ... ...... and Erik Hanson.
2023-07-17
1h 10
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP10 - The Fabulous All-Star Moments
In Episode 10, Scotty Mac has a "back in my day" moment about the All-Star Game. Griff almost got eunuched by who? Also, while the Blue Jays went 5-1 on their road trip to end the first half, did they really answer any of the pressing questions surrounding the team? And what to make of Alek Manoah's return to a big league mound.
2023-07-12
1h 13
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP9 - The AL Leasts?
In Episode 9, Scotty Mac drops the "they are what they are" line on the Blue Jays; does Griff agree? Could John Schneider reconfigure the lineup to get more out of his hitters or are the Jays suffering from a personnel problem? The guys look at the Blue Jays' four All-Stars, including a nice feather in the cap of Whit Merrifield and in the latest installment of Griff's Riffs, Griff remembers the unique 1981 All-Star Game.
2023-07-03
1h 15
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP8 - The Stars Must Shine
Griff and Scotty Mac discuss whether Blue Jays fans should be disappointed the team didn't sweep Oakland; should teams get to challenge a handful of ball/strike calls each game; the home plate collision rule is as confusing as ever; and as Scotty Mac powers his way through illness (lol), Griff recalls a ballot box stuffing story from the 1982 All-Star Game.
2023-06-26
1h 18
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP7 - The Bassitt-Kirk Affair
In Episode 7, Griff tells us why Chris Bassitt is much better when Alejandro Kirk is his catcher and not Danny Jansen. When will Vladdy go on a tear? Scotty Mac asks Griff about one of Griff's biggest life decisions. On Juneteenth, the guys wonder why baseball isn't doing more to attract young African-American athletes. And Griff talks about a great weekend at the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame.
2023-06-19
1h 12
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP6 - The Debacle
In Episode 6, Griff and Scotty Mac recap the Blue Jays handling of the Anthony Bass situation following the developments late in the prior week; Scotty has a theory, are the Blue Jays shaping up to be the Theo Epstein era Cubs but without a ring; and Griff previews induction weekend at the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame in St. Mary's, Ontario.
2023-06-12
57 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP5 - The Bass Riddle
In Episode 5, Griff and Scotty Mac discuss the fallout from Anthony Bass' decision to post anti-LGBTQ+ propaganda and what should happen from this point onward. Plus, the Blue Jays are suddenly on a roll. And from the Way Back Machine, Griff takes us to 1991 and how, as the Montreal Expos' PR guru, he orchestrated a great goodbye for fired manager Buck Rodgers.
2023-06-06
52 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
The First 54
As the Blue Jays hit the one-third mark of the season, Griff and Scotty Mac talk about Vladdy's power outage, Alek Manoah's continuing struggles, and the Jays continuing lack of depth. Also, from the way back machine, 34 years ago, Griff remembers the Expos trading for Mark Langston and Scotty reminisces about the opening of SkyDome.
2023-05-29
51 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP3 - The Victoria Day Secrets
In Episode 3, Griff takes us behind the scenes of the controversy when Vladimir Guerrero Jr. didn't play on Victoria Day, 2019; and the guys break down an ugly week for the Blue Jays where the team not only lost most of its games but looked lost doing so.
2023-05-23
50 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP2B-Extra Innings
“In this special Extra Innings episode of Exit Philosophy, Griff and Scotty Mac discuss the extent of the Yankees’ cheating, the Blue Jays’ response, and how concerning is the performance of Alek Manoah so far this season.”
2023-05-19
29 min
Exit Philosophy with Griff and Mal
EP2 - The Little General
In Episode 2, Griff and Scotty Mac discuss accountability in the clubhouse, the Blue Jays' big week ahead, the best baseball moments on Seinfeld, and Gene Mauch, the first manager Griff worked with.
2023-05-17
59 min