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Life After MLMEpisode 302 : Kyle HumistonFor most of his young adult life, Kyle was deep in Amway, building a business while sacrificing living an authentic life. It wasn't until the facade began to chip away that he started to see the cracks in the business model, and after a shady experience followed by a betrayal, made a decision that changed his entire life.
Show Notes
Follow Kyle : Instagram | TikTok | Threads
You're Not Crazy : Waking up from the MLM "Dream" by Kyle Humiston
Kyle's Website
Out of MLM
The BITE Model
LAMLM Book Club
MLM Dupes...
2025-06-291h 14Life After MLMEpisode 301 : MLM Mini Dive : Belle VitaleJen is back and this time we're talking all about the Bodi adjacent program by Autumn Calabrese, Belle Vitale! If you've been stuck in the toxic diet culture cycle, or maybe you're in perimenopause, and you're being bombarded with hormone health gimmicks, this episode may help you navigate those waters.
Show Notes
Connect with Jen! : Instagram | YouTube | Website
Work with Jen! : FREE 30 Minute Discovery Call
AnchorFit Community (Free 3 Day Trial - Use Promo Code: ANTIMLM50 for 50% off your first month!)
Belle Vitale Guidebook
Belle Vitale Bodi Page
Rates of liver...
2025-06-151h 10Life After MLMEpisode 300 : The 300th Episode!It's our 300th episode! Mr. F is here to hang out and help me with commentary on our latest Instagram Polls, plus give us his "not a lawyer" legal expertise regarding the Modere Bankruptcy case! Thank you so much for being here and supporting the show!
Show Notes
Modere Hiding it's Insolvency
11 U.S. Code § 507 - Priorities
Modere Bankruptcy Filing
Out of MLM
The BITE Model
LAMLM Book Club
MLM Dupes
How can you help?
MLM Change
Report Fraud
Truth in Advertising
Report to your state Attorney General's office!
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2025-06-0851 minLife After MLMEpisode 299 : MaileOn April 11th, the MLM Modere, who had been in business for over 23 years, shocked it's reps and shut it doors unexpectedly. That same day, I got a text from Maile, letting me know that since Modere was gone, she was finally free to tell her story and share the secrets she knew about the company. In this juicy tell all we talk about some of the more outrageous special perks top reps received and speculate about why they closed and who had advance knowledge of it.
Show Notes
Modere Shuts Down
Shaklee...
2025-06-011h 16Life After MLMEpisode 298 : Kelli Part 2Part 2 of our episode with Kelli gets into the nitty gritty of what's been happening at Arieyl. As one of the only people at corporate who never signed an NDA, Kelli has a lot to say about what went on when she was there, and answers some of the rumors that have been shared with me anonymously. Plus, an update to what's been found in several products that shouldn't be there.
Show Notes
Softer StreetsTHC traces found in another health supplement
Atomik Vodka
The Hemp Authority
Out of MLM
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2025-05-251h 19Life After MLMEpisode 297 : Kelli Part 1*Content Warning! This episode deals with traumatic themes of trafficking, sexual allegations and spiritual abuse. Please use caution when listening.*
In Part 1 of our 2 part story, we meet Kelli and hear her testimony of her time in a corporate position at the MLM Arieyl. As a founding member, Kelli saw and experienced more than her fair share of questionable behavior, and she wanted to come clean and share her truth.
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NCMEC
POTS
New Top Earners Earnings And Company Revenue Verification Procedure Upcoming At Business For Home
2025-05-181h 35Life After MLMEpisode 296 : Little Bosses EverywhereThree years ago Bridget Read reached out to me to talk about my experiences in AntiMLM Advocacy for a book she was writing at the time. Today Bridget is here to talk about that very book, Little Bosses Everywhere, which comes out May 6th! In our chat we discuss the early days of the Health and Wellness industry, MLMs, and Amway's connections to American government.
Show Notes
Connect with Bridget! : Instagram
Grab your copy of Little Bosses Everywhere now!
2025 MLM Conference
Stanford historian traces military’s influence on modern Am...
2025-05-041h 15Life After MLMEpisode 294 : Jen McIntyreWhew! We've got a doozy with today's episode! We're joined by Jen McIntyre, a former rep for Epicure who's got an inside look into the failed MLM. As one of the first American consultants, Jen saw A LOT of things that rubbed her the wrong way, and she couldn't wait to share the second the went under. AND! Since recording this episode in February, Epicure is under new ownership in the shadiest of ways, and you're not going to want to miss the bonus audio at the end of the show!Show NotesConnect with...
2025-04-201h 20Life After MLMEpisode 293 : Nandi ReturnsIn today's episode, Mr. F joins us to chat about the future of health and wellness trends and the closing of the MLM Modere. Plus, Nandi returns to share her experiences using Nutrilite products during her time in Amway, and some of the more ridiculous products in their lineup.Show Notes Nutrilite WikiNSF InternationalAmway FarmsBlue Light Vitamins for Eyes (Amazon)Nutrilite ProductsOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow...
2025-04-1351 minLife After MLMEpisode 292 : CassandraCassandra was working in a gym when she tried Zyia leggings for the first time. With a built in customer base and a background in sales, she decided to jump into the company and see what she could make of it. Like most of us who join pyramid schemes, she didn't gain the financial freedom she was promised, but that didn't stop her from bouncing from MLM to MLM until she finally opened her eyes.Show NotesConnect with Cassandra : InstagramWas I In A Cult : Mary Kay Cosmetics: “Faith First, Family Second, Fi...
2025-04-061h 05Life After MLMEpisode 291 : Katie*Content Warning : This episode deals with eating disorders and disordered eating. Please use discretion when listening.*After many successful years on a popular weight loss program, corporate changes lead Katie to no longer seeing the results she wanted. As a marathon runner, Katie always been physically active, until a spinal surgery left her unable to exercise at all. After gaining more weight that she would have liked, she found herself battling with body dysmorphia again, and that's when Optavia came knocking.Show NotesBillionaire Oprah Makes Bank On Weight Watchers Windfall...
2025-03-3053 minLife After MLMEpisode 290 : TashaHave you ever heard that some MLMs are willable businesses, that you can pass down to your children so they can inherit your income? Have you ever wondered what that meant and if there was any legitimacy to those claims, or if it was just another MLM lie? Today we have Tasha, an attorney who focuses on estate planning and estate administration, including trust administration and probate, to answer all our questions!Show Notesr/AntiMLM Is Arbonne a "Willable" business?Out of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book...
2025-03-231h 14Life After MLMEpisode 289 : Jen Borruso*Content Warning: This episode deals with Toxic Diet Culture and mentions disordered eating and orthorexia. Please use caution when listening.*When I first put out a call to action for this season's main theme of Health and Wellness, SO MANY of you reached out and told me that I needed to chat with Jen Borruso. Not only is Jen now a Personal Trainer & Nutrition Coach, but she used to be a BeachBody Hun, so she knows a thing or two about how MLMs manipulate our minds with toxic diet culture. We chat about Anti-MLM, what red flags...
2025-03-0952 minLife After MLMEpisode 288 : MLM Mini Dive : FermaGloToday Platinum Chelsea joins us to talk about the newest MLM in pre-pre-launch, FermaGlo. It's a fun MLM Mini Dive episode loaded with nonsense, zoom calls, sound effects, deep speculation, professional advice and an AI song singing FermaGlo's praises. Jump in, grab yourself a snack and a drink and be prepared to learn everything we know about the fermented plant beauty product MLM FermaGlo so far.Show NotesConnect with Chelsea : Instagram | YouTubeFyre Fest 2r/AntiMLM - Paparazzi & WA ConsultantsFermaGloPermaGloThe BITE...
2025-03-021h 13Life After MLMEpisode 287 : MariahMariah spent almost her entire 20's in Amway, in a pyramid filled with family members. Throughout their time in LTD, Mariah and her husband faced a multitude of health and wellness struggles including miscarriage, an emergency bowel restructuring, and a scary mystery illness and diagnosis. The most common denominator? Amway.Show NotesAdverse reaction to a dietary supplement in an elderly patient (PubMed)Health hazards caused by Amway Nutrilite (Reddit)Amway making false, misleading health claims for Nutrilite DailyOut of MLMThe BITE Model...
2025-02-231h 13Life After MLMEpisode 286 : SamanthaSamantha started using Young Living Essential Oils because she believed they would be a safer alternative to mainstream household cleaners and products. She quickly found herself with a shelf full of EO vials and deeply immersed in the #oilylife, throwing away all the "negative" products and replacing them with Young Living dupes. As she built a team, she began to understand the gamification of MLM; commodifying friendships and turning her downline into a bonus check, that she started to realize that maybe this kind of thing just wasn't for her. Plus a warning about a Scientology Boarding School PAC...
2025-02-161h 02Life After MLMEpisode 285 : MLM Mini Dive : Make WellnessIn our first ever podcast based MLM Mini Dive, Julie Anderson is here to help us understand the new MLM Make Wellness and some of it's shadier history. If you've been haggled about "BioActive Precision Peptides" this is the episode for you, and while you're listening, go ahead and send it to 3 friends who need to hear it too. This episode also features audio from actual public videos posted by Make Wellness affiliates, plus an update on the "Scentsy Trip to Greece"!Show NotesJulie's Make Wellness Deep DiveMy Make Wellness TikTok
2025-02-0959 minLife After MLMEpisode 284 : Matt & TraceyWho doesn't love a good and juicy MLM story about the dangers of dating in your downline? Now add Amway to the mix, and we've got a hilariously honest and vulnerable origin story about Matt and his wife Tracey, and all the sick mind games the IBOs in LTD played with them along the way. It's been over 16 years since they've relived some of these stories, so thanks for taking us on this journey and being so real.Show Notesr/AntiMLM : Color StreetHow to Stop Worrying and Start Living...
2025-02-031h 26Life After MLMEpisode 283 : Tracie BezerraBecause we're focusing a bit more on the Health and Wellness MLMs this year, we've got an educational episode for you today. Folks on the neurodivergent spectrum tend to get targeted often by MLMs offering anecdotal promises of cures and quick fixes, so it felt important to provide empathy and context. When we're deep in MLM, we often don't take a second to really understand someone's journey and why targeting them could be predatory. Meet Tracie, the amazing mom to Rachel, a 30 year old woman with Autism. In our chat Tracie shares her experiences and frustrations with finding answers...
2025-01-261h 25Life After MLMEpisode 282 : LindsayHave you ever experienced FOMO? It's the "Fear of Missing Out" and it often plays a large part in the MLM experiences. Today's guest Lindsay is no exception to MLM FOMO and wanted to share her story of her time in Senegence. From using the large Facebook group she managed as a sales pool, to realizing that everything she experienced was dripping with manipulation, Lindsay has a lot of regrets and luckily, even more insight.Show NotesConnect with Lindsay : Facebook | Lindsay Helps LLCr/antimlm - I worked for Senegence Corporate
2025-01-191h 29Life After MLMEpisode 281 : Joline AtkinsIn the fall of 2024, the MLM world was rocked when Beachbody/BODi announced they were dropping the MLM aspect and going affiliate. Our guest, Joline Atkins was there to witness every rise and fall in her 14 year stint with the company. From nearly ruining her family vacation hitting 5 Star Diamond, to simply asking too many questions, Joline ethically struggled and made decisions she wasn't proud of. So without further ado, we present The Joline Atkins Apology Tour!Show NotesConnect with Joline : InstagramNotification for BODi Partners in the United States...
2025-01-121h 22Life After MLMEpisode 278 : 2024 BloopersHappy Holidays from the Triple Diamond Team at Life After MLM! Here is a fun collections of outtakes and bloopers that happened in 2024 behind the scenes of the podcast. From tangents with guests, to uncontrollable interruptions, enjoy the chaos that happens behind your favorite episodes and thank you for making 2024 our best year yet!Show NotesOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow can you help?MLM ChangeReport FraudTruth in AdvertisingReport...
2024-12-2923 minLife After MLMEpisode 277 : Hope KraalMerry Christmas Huns! We've got a bit of Holiday Magic brewing with a special Yuletide episode, filled with all the themes we've come to love over here at Life After MLM; Cultiness, Evangelical Christianity, and Amway. Meet Hope Kraal, who as a former WWDB IBO has a lot to say about World Wide Dream Builders and Amway, including how they use faith manipulation, deceit, the patriarchy to get ahead.Show NotesConnect with Hope : InstagramHamburger UniversityLove and RespectSheila Wray GregoireOut of MLM
2024-12-221h 21Life After MLMEpisode 276 : DeAnne McMahanDeAnne was just looking for a job online when she ran across a posting for what seemed like a legit marketing and sales position. What she actually found was an office for Smart Circle, an MLM where she would be selling discount coupons, door-to-door. In our chat we talk how Smart Circle is slightly different from traditional MLMs, what red flags to look out for when job hunting and how even when you think you can work the system, you can't out scam a scammer.Show NotesOut of MLMThe BITE Model
2024-12-151h 28Life After MLMEpisode 275 : Dr. Mara EinsteinDr. Mara Einstein is an internationally recognized expert on deceptive marketing tactics who I had the pleasure of meeting at the MLM Conference. After working for a decade in corporate marketing for some of the biggest names in the business (MTV, NBC, Miller Beer), she left for academia, motivated by a desire to pull back the curtain on consumerism’s dark side with the goal to persuade companies to do better and give people tools to increase their power in the marketplace.She is the author of eight books, including the forthcoming Hoodwinked: How Marketers Use the Sa...
2024-12-081h 36Life After MLMA Quick UpdateWe'll be taking a little time off to grieve the loss of Aunt Jackie and will be back to new episodes soon. Thank you for understanding.Show NotesOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow can you help?MLM ChangeReport FraudTruth in AdvertisingReport to your state Attorney General's office!Not in the U.S.? No Problem!Support the Podcast!Website | Patreon | Buy Me a Taco...
2024-11-3012 minLife After MLMEpisode 274 : NandiWe are wrapping up our month of Amway stories by taking a hard look at the accountability factor of Multi Level Marketing and how it harms it's participants in more ways than just financial. Nandi thought she was in a loving relationship, working together toward the future, but realized there were other factors making decisions and pulling the strings. We talk about how Covid affected the business and the performative nature of the Clownshow of MLM regardless of the circumstances.Show NotesLuLaRoe $164M LawsuitConnect with Nandi : InstagramDo Tell...
2024-11-241h 27Life After MLMEpisode 273 : The AntiMLM Kid Part 2In Part 2 of my conversation with The AntiMLM Kid, we talk about the fallacy of the nonexistent "Level Playing Field", how MLMs explain Pyramid Scheme payment checks to their reps, get into the Double Speak of Amway, and give some valuable advice for when you find yourself in an awkward conversation about your shoes and income potential in the aisles of your closest Big Box Store.Show NotesFollow The AntiMLM Kid : TikTok | InstagramAmway "Date" Gets OwnedOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book Club
2024-11-2059 minLife After MLMEpisode 272 : The AntiMLM Kid Part 1Ever wonder what it's like to be raised by IBOs? To have every memory and influence rooted in Amway? In Part 1 of my chat with The AntiMLM Kid, we dive into what those early years looked like, how her parents met and how she was groomed into becoming an IBO herself. It wasn't until she met her now husband that she began to open her eyes to the harsh truths of MLM.Show NotesFollow The AntiMLM Kid : TikTok | Instagramr/AntiMLM : My MLM childhood: growing up in an amway family...
2024-11-171h 09Life After MLMEpisode 271 : DianneWhen Dianne, a former Amway Diamond reached out to me to help her tell her story and add another piece of the puzzle to our deep dive into Amway, I jumped at the chance. Dianne and her ex-husband were inside the cult for 25 years, and she has quite a few eye opening stories and revelations to share, including what it takes to reach Diamond and what staying at Peter Island is really like.Show NotesWhat are the odds of Making it to Diamond in Amway?Casino Psychology 101 : What Makes Casinos Addictive
2024-11-101h 26Life After MLMEpisode 270 : Carl RehnborgFor our Cult Month bonus series we are diving into the History of Amway, starting with Carl Rehnborg, the inception of Nutrilite, and the earliest beginnings of The American Way. Stay tuned as we dive into all the sordid details of the Grandfather of MLM.Show NotesOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow can you help?MLM ChangeReport FraudTruth in AdvertisingReport to your state Attorney General's office!Not...
2024-11-0717 minLife After MLMEpisode 269 : JWhen J first joined Amway and started to catch feelings for her upline, it wasn't without a his heavy handed influence. Over the following months she fell hard for his love bombing and future faking, and everything seemed absolutely wonderful, until it wasn't. The dirty looks from other woman in the organization, petty gossip, and unnecessary drama was only the beginning.Show NotesRomance ScamsSigns of Narcissistic AbuseOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book ClubMLM DupesHow can you h...
2024-11-031h 04Life After MLMEpisode 268 : The Ultimate Amway Horror StoryContent Warning : In this episode we talk about heavy topics including rape, torture and murder. Please use discretion when listening.For our Halloween episode we are diving into the predators who live among us in plain sight, acting as members of society while doing depraved acts when no one is paying attention. We talk about Ted Bundy, John List and the most terrifying Amway IBO I've ever come across, Paul Bernardo. Happy Halloween Hunbots and Hunbros!Show NotesMurderpedia : Paul BernardoRadford University Psychology Dept : Paul BernardoCriminal Minds...
2024-10-3119 minLife After MLMEpisode 267 : Dani RodriguezIf you're looking for more Amway podcast episodes, do I have a treat for you! Not only are we talking to Dani Rodriguez about her story, but she's also the host of the Exes and Tea Podcast which tells almost exclusively Amway stories! In our chat we discuss her journey in and out of Domestic Violence and the cult of Amway, but also the disgusting things that happened to her while inside, including a health dose of faith manipulation, and child endangerment.Show NotesConnect with Dani : Instagram | PodcastDV Hotline...
2024-10-271h 20Life After MLMEpisode 266 : Amway Horror StoriesIn preparation of Amway Month in November, we've got a bonus episode filled with wild Amway Horror Stories, from growing up an Amway kid, to dreaming of one day joining Amway, as a kid. If you thought general MLM Horror Stories were painful, these tales of former IBOs will leave you speechless.Show Notes10 Horror Stories that Prove MLM is TrashFootball Guys - Let's Hear your MLM Horror Storyr/AntiMLM - My Personal Amway Horror StoryZelda Universe - Amway Horror StoriesMy Embarrassing Amway...
2024-10-2332 minLife After MLMEpisode 265 : TrishTrigger Warning: In this episode we talk to a former Juror on a murder trial about a gruesome case in great detail. Please use discretion when listening.When Trish showed up for jury selection, she just thought she would be fulfilling her civic duty and would be dismissed and headed home shortly. Instead, Trish found herself seated in the jury box, selected for a local murder case, where a woman had been found beaten and murdered in her own home. Over the following days, Trish was thrust into the traumatic story, required to listen to every detail...
2024-10-201h 12Life After MLMEpisode 264 : How to Prosper in MLM and other BSI can't get enough of this book, How to Make Big Money in Multi Level Marketing, so we are gonna start with Chapter 1, with added snarky commentary and get through this drivel together. In Chapter 1 we learn "How to Prosper and Enjoy the Good Life Through Multi Level Marketing" where we will learn what MLM is, what the future looks like for the industry, the differences between MLM and Franchising and how good of an investment this really is. Plus, the story of "George & DeDe Shaw" to round out the "things that didn't happen".Show Notes
2024-10-1750 minLife After MLMEpisode 263 : Ruth ReturnsRuth, one of our guests from Season 1, comes back to update us on her life and share her cringey MLM journal entries. As Ruth reads her inner most thoughts as a Hun deep in Pure Romance, we comment and reflect on what she was saying and what she really meant in those last years leading up to finally leaving. From deeply empathic thoughts and actions to saying the quiet parts out loud, Ruth's journey out of MLM gives us an inside look into the mind of a Hun and reminds us what it looks like to start your life...
2024-10-131h 18Life After MLMEpisode 262 : MLM Horror StoriesI am out of town, so here is a spooky Halloween bonus episode with some of the most heartbreaking MLM Horror Stories I found on Reddit, featuring some of our favorite MLMs to hate, Amway, Primerica, Mary Kay and LuLaRoe. If you'd like to dive deeper into these posts and read comments or updates, the source link is provided below, and let me know if you'd like more sourced stories as bonus episodes going forward! There are so many, and they all deserve a platform to be heard on.Show Notesr/antiMLM : MLM Horror...
2024-10-0931 minLife After MLMEpisode 261 : SophiaSophia joined Amway as a vulnerable teenager who was just looking for adult mentorship and stability in her life. Through a series of tragic events, Sophia realized that life was far too short to be stuck in something so controlling and toxic, and despite the extreme guilt she felt to her upline, came to find out that she had one foot out the door already. But what happens when you know you have to leave, but you're not sure if you can function in life without your upline?Show Notes2024 DV Stats (NC, USA)
2024-10-061h 27Life After MLMEpisode 260 : Why I Joined MLM: An AnthologyHappy October!!! Friend of the pod, Elora Dodd found the book How to Make Big Money in Multi-Level Marketing at the thrift store and sent it to me to use in AntiMLM content. For the month of October it will serve as our own culty version of Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark and give us fodder for bonus episodes and extra content for True Crime month! Today I am reading some selected passages from "very successful" MLMers, as they tell us why they joined their MLM, as well as a dramatic reading of an MLM version of "...
2024-10-0238 minLife After MLMEpisode 259 : Eva CollinsEva Collins learned the hard way that the coaching and course industry is a less than scrupulous playground full of grifters and decided she needed to do something about it. In our conversation we cover the similarities of our own experiences in schemes, share the red flags to look out for when deciding to hire outside help and wax poetic on why the trolls are so triggered.Show NotesConnect with Eva: Instagram | WebsiteTupperware Files Chapter 11r/antimlm Is Master Resell Rights an MLM?MMR Scam...
2024-09-291h 32Life After MLMEpisode 258 : Robyn HyerRobyn has had ADHD her whole life, and she's been chasing that "Dopamine Dragon" for as long as she can remember. In the various ways she's learned to control it over the years, it wasn't without the familiar game of MLMs, jumping from company to company, hoping to hit it big. Through joining the old standards, new fads and even a ground floor opportunity, Robyn learned the hard way that the house always wins. In our chat we talk about the effects of MLM with ADHD, toxic diet culture and fast fashion.Show NotesThe...
2024-09-221h 11Life After MLMEpisode 257 : Katie Woodward*Content Warning* In this episode we talk about heavy topics including Domestic Violence, Narcissistic Abuse, Ableism and Medical Trauma. Please use discretion when listening.Katie was a young woman looking to take hold of her independence and make it on her own when she first met Christian on a dating app. His prolonged abuse helped lay the foundation for a lot of the relationships Katie found herself in and the medical issues still plaguing her to this day. When a freak accident left Katie with a debilitating TBI, she found herself deep in the clutches of Pruvit...
2024-09-151h 33Life After MLMEpisode 256 : Sarah Rathbun Part 2In Part 2 of our story, Sarah and I discuss how the cult evolved after the bombs were successfully prayed away and the bunkers were abandoned in the early 90's. As the toxic diet culture craze came into fashion and being crunchy was the newest fad, Church United and Triumphant clung to their remaining members and adopted a macrobiotic diet. We talk about their obsession with the healing powers of Tea Tree Oil, how the MLM Melaleuca scammed their way in the door, the panic of Y2K, and the Siege at Waco, and how it actually helped CUT keep...
2024-09-0857 minLife After MLMEpisode 254 : Dana CorriganDana had no idea the day my face came across her FYP, that in 2 years time her life would be totally different. It started off innocently enough, as an email asking questions, followed by light conversation back and forth, until the last email I received that started with "I just wanted to reach out and say - I QUIT!". But Dana's journey out of MLM was littered with the adjacent scams that occupy the spaces between; Coaching, Courses, Affiliate Marketing, and Facebook Raffle pages that look more like illegal gambling rackets than actual business support.Show Notes
2024-08-251h 11Life After MLMEpisode 253 : Ginger & MichaelIt's about time we had another Herbalife episode, and this one might take the entire loaded tea/shake combo. Meet one of our Discord members Michael, and his mom Ginger who opened up their very own Herbalife Nutrition Shop without having to jump though any of the normal hoops. With shady business practices from their upline, and a less than honest attempt at a retail store, Ginger and Michael learned quickly that this wasn't a real business and it was too late to do anything about it. I hope the FTC and lawyers who keep tabs on Herbalife are...
2024-08-181h 36Life After MLMEpisode 252 : Kate Williams & UntappedHey! We're coming to you with a BONUS EPISODE that's a little different that usual, in fact this bonus episode is just an information filled conversation about an event coming up soon that could greatly benefit a lot of our listeners! The Untapped Event put on by the 12M+ Instant Teams Community is an unparalleled 3-day conference designed for the military spouse community. It includes a 2-day virtual experience full of connections, networking, resources, and growth opportunities as well as a virtual hiring event. There will 2 on-site activations on Day 3 in Fort Liberty, NC, and Fort Campbell, TN.
2024-08-1424 minLife After MLMEpisode 250 : Chris Shelton Part 2It's our 250th Episode!!! Michelle is back to help with another Scientology episode! This time with our friend Chris Shelton to talk about his 27 years inside the cult and what the punishments Sea Org members receive are actually like. In this 2 part episode Chris shares about his time growing up inside Scientology, working as a Staff Member at Org Bases like Big Blue in LA, joining the Sea Org, and serving time in the Rehabilitation Project Force, where the punishment DID NOT fit the crime.Show NotesConnect with Chris : Instagram | YouTube | Twitter | Website
2024-08-041h 04Life After MLMEpisode 249 : Chris Shelton Part 1Michelle is back to help with another Scientology episode! This time with our friend Chris Shelton to talk about his 27 years inside the cult and what the punishments Sea Org members receive are actually like. In this 2 part episode Chris shares about his time growing up inside Scientology, working as a Staff Member at Org Bases like Big Blue in LA, joining the Sea Org, and serving time in the Rehabilitation Project Force, where the punishment DID NOT fit the crime.Show NotesConnect with Chris : Instagram | YouTube | Twitter | WebsiteThe Underground Bunker
2024-07-2859 minLife After MLMEpisode 248 : Stefan & JennaHave you ever seen someone on social media describing a weird encounter at a Walmart or a Mall where a random person comes up and starts strange conversations and complimenting them, and them wondering what just happened? I get tagged in almost ALL of them, and I always let the creator know that it's an MLM and to run. But it's not just ANY MLM, it's a very specific one we talk about A LOT (though today we'll be calling it "FAM") and what the person on social media just experienced is the prospecting part of what FAM likes...
2024-07-211h 31Life After MLMEpisode 247 : TJ MusumhiWho doesn't love an Amway episode? I feel with each one we get 2 steps closer to figuring it all out, and still find a whole new set of questions to ask next time. In this chat we meet TJ Musumhi, a former member of the LOA LTD for 6 years. In his time with Amway and LTD, he faced faith manipulation and too many empty promises which lead him to discovering the truth of the Tools Scam. TJ dove into the rabbit hole and eventually found our episode with Sean Munger and reached out to share his story....
2024-07-141h 19Life After MLMEpisode 246 : Irene GoodIrene is one of our Discord member who wanted to share her story of not only being rejected by the Kundalini Yoga Cult, but also growing up with an abusive mother obsessed with the attention associated with medical abuse. From her doctor shopping mother, to being misdiagnosed, Irene shares the story of her childhood and the neglect and chaos she was forced to accept as normal. We chat about our "neurosnazzy" journeys, mental health, Munchausen by proxy, Rx drug abuse, and why not to buy Yogi Tea.Show Notes3HO Yoga CultYoga...
2024-07-071h 21Life After MLMEpisode 244 : "Stitch"When I put out the call to action a few weeks back for more Cutco/Vector Marketing content, I was pleasantly surprised with the response! When we start digging into trying to figure out an MLM, it seems each chat clears up some things, but opens more questions about others and this conversation with "Stitch" was no different. We chat about how Cutco doesn't "seem" like an MLM (and how they like it that way), in-home demonstrations, Cutco during Covid, and those dudes who run the booths on the State Fair circuit. As someone who ran a Cutco office, "...
2024-06-231h 08Life After MLMEpisode 241 : Shannon Vavich Part 2In Part 2 with Shannon, we get deeper into the reasons why MLMs are prevalent in the lives of military spouses, both as representatives and customers. Shannon also shares with us, some of her side hustle journey to where she is today, and offers lots of job advice for those leaving MLM and transitioning into doing their own thing. From gig work and virtual assistants to starting your own business or monetizing a hobby, we break down a lot of the options available that are doable for most.Show NotesConnect with Shannon : TikTok | Instagram | YouTube...
2024-06-021h 04Life After MLMEpisode 240 : Shannon Vavich Part 1Shannon reached out to me because it's time for her to tell her story, and I was happy to oblige. She's a military spouse and mother and she had some things she needs to get off her chest when it comes to MLMs and the US Military. In Part 1 Shannon and I discuss the times she found herself in Mary Kay, and the gross recruitment tactics that were used on her as a vulnerable wife of a deployed service member.Show NotesConnect with Shannon : TikTok | Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | The Flying Kitchen | Dismantled Podcast
2024-05-261h 01Life After MLMEpisode 239 : Cristie StognerNot everyone who joins an MLM has a horrible experience, some people join MLMs to have some fun, make some friends and get a decent discount on a product they can't seem to live without. With some questions and concerns about her current MLM, Cristie reached out to me to find answers. She loved the products, her upline was great, and she was seemingly successful, until tax time made her look much deeper into the scam. I'll never forget that email when Cristie told me she had left Bella Fizz, had some moral injuries, and wanted to share her...
2024-05-191h 11Life After MLMEpisode 238 : KimberleighKimberleigh is a member of our Discord and wanted to share her story of being in BOTH Cutco, a famously "masculine" MLM, and BeachBody, a famously "feminine" MLM and how different the experiences were with not only product and culture, but recruitment and FOMO. And as a special added bonus, Kimberleigh gives us some tips and suggestions for beefing up a resume after a few years of MLM service.Show NotesVector Marketing : Scam or Legit?LinkedIn LearningOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book Club
2024-05-121h 05Life After MLMEpisode 237 : The 2024 MLM ConferenceI took my laptop and a microphone to the MLM Conference to chat with people on break! I took all that audio, plus my own thoughts and experiences and created a fun episode about what happens at the con when the zoom is paused. If you're looking to be a part of the 2025 MLM Conference, please reach out and I will get you in touch with the Steering Committee!Show NotesA Scroll Thru #AntiMLMThe MLM ConferenceConnect with those I interviewed!Elaine LingaJulie Anderson
2024-05-061h 04Life After MLMEpisode 235 : CaseyWe watched the documentary "The Curious Case of Natalia Grace" on Discord and were FLOORED by the entire production. From the horrific story of child abuse to the sensationalized, dramatic storytelling, something always felt slightly off and prompted more questions than it ever answered. In this bonus episode we have listener and Discord Member Casey to lead her unique perspective into an incredibly nuanced topic of discussion.Show NotesThe Curious Case of Natalia GraceNatalia Grace RedditAdoption in the Media : Natalia GraceOut of MLM...
2024-04-241h 12Life After MLMEpisode 234 : Shanny Payton*Content Warning: This episode contains conversations about infertility, adoption and foster care. Please use discretion when listening.*Shanny grew up in a strict Evangelical cult where her entire life as a woman was planned out for her. First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes the baby in the baby carriage, right? But what happens when no one prepares you for the very real possibility that things might not work out the way you want? For Shanny it looked like supporting every newly pregnant friend at their baby showers, fielding constant questions about her future as a...
2024-04-211h 25Life After MLMEpisode 233 : Andrea, Terra & Roberta! Podcast Crossover!Last month I got to go to Podcast Movement Evolutions in Downtown Los Angeles and record a fun crossover episode with some of my favorite podcasting ladies at Spotify Studios! HUGE THANK YOU to Spotify for the use of the space and your hospitality! And it was so great to hang out with and collaborate on content with Andrea Dunlop and Terra Newell! Our chat got cut short due to LA traffic and bad GPS directions, but we managed to get in some time to chat about the intersectional topics of our shows, and how we can support those...
2024-04-1743 minLife After MLMEpisode 231 : AnnIt was just past year that Anne took pause and started digging into her admittedly "weird childhood". After listening to the podcast Nobody Should Believe Me, she started to suspect that she may have been the victim of medical child abuse, what is more commonly known as Munchausen by Proxy. With an unhealed and unwilling mother to answer her questions, Anne dove into everything she could consume to process the trauma she experienced as a young girl. In our chat we get into the triggers and possible reasons for her mother's actions, as well as the generational trauma we...
2024-04-0756 minLife After MLMEpisode 230 : Sandy RuskLast year I received a heartbreaking email from a mother who had felt she was running out of options; her daughter was stuck in a controlling cult, isolated from friends and family, and she hadn't seen her in years. Over several months I met with Sandy to discuss her story and the history behind how she got here. The more I heard the more I wondered; Was Sandy's daughter a strong, independent spirit? Or was there something more calculated and nefarious at play?Show NotesConnect with Sandy : Facebook | Instagram The Truth About...
2024-03-311h 30Life After MLMEpisode 228 : Lacey GallearLacey had been out of high demand control for years when she sat down to watch a TV show and was triggered by her past experiences. From her Gideon Roots, and Romanian Orphan Trips to her life as a DINK in Quixtar, Lacey definitely had a pattern of cults and high demand control she couldn't see until it was long in her rearview mirror. In our chat we cover how Quixtar came and went, coaching scams, Costco, the public perception of MLMs and what Amway calls "The Process".Show NotesSmall Business Shoutout! Starla from...
2024-03-171h 51Life After MLMEpisode 227 : Kurtis WaldronKurtis just wanted to have a Scentsy party to help a friend, and ended up using his party points to join the team. When the annual convention went digital during the pandemic, Kurtis's megahun upline refused to let it get her down, renting a massive house in Gatlinburg, Tennessee and hosting her own event. We also chat about Disney World's upcoming Scentsy attraction, Smellephants on Parade.Show NotesGatlinburg, TennesseeJustin Darnell Comedy : Gatlinburg OfficialSmellephants on ParadeScentsy Logo Added to DumboOut of MLM
2024-03-101h 05Life After MLMEpisode 226 : Claire and Marc Headley Part 2Nineteen years ago Marc and Claire Headley escaped Scientology, the cult they had grown up in, and started their journey to real freedom. In Part 2 of our conversation, we go deeper down the rabbit hole into OSA, Fair Gaming and how Anonymous joined the good fight. Plus how the rage baiting and hate sport of social media advocacy fuels the algorithm, Marc's juicy inside secrets, Car School and of course, Tom Cruise.Show NotesConnect with Marc & Claire - Website | YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Facebook | Twitter | PodcastTom Cruise's BirthdayProject Chanology & A...
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Life After MLMPodcast Update! New Episodes August 1st!Hey! Thanks so much for being so patient while I took July off for some mental health time. New episodes with return Sunday, August 1st! We've got stories coming up from World Financial Group, Herbalife, Younique, and many more! Plus, some personal updates, social media updates, sharing some milestones and what else I have in store for new episodes! See you next week!
Show Notes!
Anti MLM Bookclub - Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb
We hit 100K! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoa/video/6988690539826728197?lang=en&is...
2021-07-2619 min
Life After MLMEpisode 39: Julie JoBefore Julie Jo was a major force in the AntiMLM TikTok community, she was an Arbonne Hun. She climbed the ranks within her MLM, and qualified for that coveted White Mercedes. Julie breaks down what it takes to get there and how much that "FREE CAR" really costs. We also chat about TikTok, the AntiMLM community, cult tactics, and what we do about all those "haters" we get.*If you're catching us in real time, head over to TikTok for a dual live chat about the episode!*Show NotesJulie's TikTok! https://www...
2021-06-2047 min
Life After MLMEpisode 38: Laura Caton - Part 2When Laura found herself pregnant with her 4th baby, in the middle of the Covid pandemic, she worried that her Mary Kay business may have been hurting more than it was helping. She took a long look at the numbers with her husband, and realized that she "never saw a true profit" from her 5 years in the "business". After a stress induced rash and severely swollen feet, Laura had "the talk" and decided to make a life change, another unexpected silver lining of the pandemic. Show NotesAbout the 99% Failure Rate - https://www.pinktruth.c...
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Life After MLMEpisode 37: Laura Caton - Part 1Laura Caton was a mother of young children just looking for something of her own when she learned about a local community theater company in her area. She was targeted multiple times in her small town by the local Mary Kay Director, before eventually "starting her own business" with the MLM. Because she was a homeschooling mom, with little outlet outside of home, she began selling and sharing the opportunity within the theater company, convinced they needed the quality products that "only Mary Kay could offer". Laura and I share similar MLM experiences and joke about some of the l...
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Life After MLMEpisode 36: Rebecca - Once Upon a Biz - Part 2In the conclusion of Rebecca's story, we get a bit deeper into the cult aspects and what she started to see and experience. While her new life as a mom was keeping her busy, and her husband's new career kept him away from the weekly team meetings, things with Amway began to unravel. Rebecca and I discuss different elements of the BITE Model that she personally knew were happening, what it's like to buy your rank, and how "Diamonds" are REALLY made.Show NotesOnce Upon a Biz Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/onceuponabiz/
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Life After MLMEpisode 35: Rebecca - Once Upon a Biz - Part 1Rebecca, the AntiMLM force behind the IG account "Once Upon a Biz", spent 10 years of her life in the cult of Amway. While under their spell, she found herself slowly changing and shifting not only her attitude and focus, but her religious and political views as well. She met her husband while in what she describes as her "hunbot" phase, and shares what it's like navigating a marriage formed in the cult, once you've left. I've heard of some culty MLM behavior, but this one takes the cake.Show NotesOnce Upon a Biz Instagram...
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Life After MLMEpisode 34: Chelsea Flores and The Story of Zafire Natural Beauty and Wellness*Content Warning* This story contains the exploitation of minors as young as 16, in a "Student Financial Assistance" scam. Those who are sensitive to stories like this, please use your best judgement before proceeding.Chelsea Flores was a young woman living in the Philippines, when she heard about a financial assistance scam targeting young students in her area. The opportunity, Zafire Natural Beauty and Wellness, an MLM headed by a narcissistic cult-like leader, looked too good to be true. Although she was not a victim of Zafire, she knew she had to help the students get justice by...
2021-05-2648 min
Life After MLMEpisode 33: "Ruth" - Part 2*Content Warning* This episode features a former rep from Pure Romance, an MLM that deals with adult products and toys. We talk about many topics that are not suitable for younger listeners, and could be triggering for some, including sexual situations and trauma. Please listen at your own discretion.In part 2, "Ruth" finishes her story about her time in Pure Romance and shares what she started to experience as soon as higher education came into her life. We talk about the aspects of Pyramid Schemes and how certain things she personally saw mirrored Robert FitzPatrick's teachings on...
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Life After MLMEpisode 32: "Ruth" - Part 1*Content Warning* This episode features a former rep from Pure Romance, an MLM that deals with adult products and toys. We talk about many topics that are not suitable for younger listeners, and could be triggering for some, including sexual situations and trauma. Please listen at your own discretion."Ruth" joined Pure Romance when her previous MLM, Slumber Parties was bought out and they were merged together. For 7 years, she was at the top 5% of the company, educating on sexual health and wellness, or so she thought. Despite any gut feelings, she stayed because she genuinely loved...
2021-05-231h 10
Life After MLMEpisode 31: Chelsea SuarezAnother Bonus episode! And this time it's with my girl, Chelsea! You may know her from her YouTube Channel where she does deep dives into MLM companies, talks to former 1%, and exposes scammers, among other things. We chat about her new gig as a full time content creator, her personal experiences in MLM, and the differences she's seen between being an actual sales professional, vs an MLM rep. Plus, Chelsea's beef with Monat, and what you can do to help too.Show NotesChelsea's YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/c/CCSuarez...
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Life After MLMEpisode 30: "Moira""Moira" was a stay at home mom of 3 boys, who bought into the hype of MLM in 2016. While chasing the dream of being at the top of the pyramid, "Moira" found herself involved with 3 different MLMs, including an elusive invitation to a "Ground Floor Opportunity". From her vantage point, she got a deep look into the toxic positivity of MLM, and experienced more psychological manipulation than she bargained for.Show NotesMillennial Women Made LuLaRoe Billions. Then They Paid The Price. - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/lularoe-millennial-women-entrepreneurship-lawsuitsIs Color Street A...
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Life After MLMEpisode 29: Megan Williams - Part 2In the conclusion of Megan's story, she shares her struggles with Senegence, the predatory and toxic nature of what she experienced inside the cult, and how she got out and moved on. We also connect on a personal level and find out we have a lot more in common that just MLM (which is a pattern of coincidence I'm starting to see on this show...).Show NotesMegan "ZonaLife" YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL-WOySfYcGuFzLaI9qWnJQsErica McBeth YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV1lJDzOZshmJPn76_J4kKg52...
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Life After MLMEpisode 28: Megan Williams - Part 1As an addict in recovery, Megan was targeted in her sacred Tuesday Night meeting by a seemingly friendly looking, tattooed woman who she connected with. Over a cup of coffee, she's pitched the beauty MLM, Senegence and decides to start her "business". Over the course of her time with the company, Megan started to notice things weren't what she signed up for. Thankfully for us, she's spilling all the SeneTea.Show NotesMegan "ZonaLife" YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL-WOySfYcGuFzLaI9qWnJQs Million Dollar Lips: A Journey into the Hearts of Women a...
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Life After MLMEpisode 27: Ioanna & Aaron - Sip With MeIn this bonus episode, I interview the hosts of Sip with Me about their MLM themed, second season. I had so much fun talking with Ioanna and Aaron last summer on their show, that I had to have them on mine! They recount what they learned diving into the Anti MLM world, their own cringey experiences with MLM, how it invaded their personal and professional spaces and even share an MLM inspired cocktail created just for the show!Show NotesSip with Me Podcast - https://www.sipwithme.org/podcastSip with Me...
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Life After MLMEpisode 26: Amanda Sekiguchi - Part 2In the conclusion of Amanda's story, we finish up the BITE model and talk about the artificial "mentorship" and friendships of MLM. Once she understood what was actually happening, she became fiercely protective of her groups outside of Amway and started to realize that this wasn't what she signed up for. Her and her husband decided that it was time to leave, and shortly after things began to change.Show NotesSteven Hassan’s BITE Model of Authoritarian Control - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/LAMLM : The BITE Model with Josie Naikoi Part 1...
2021-05-0354 min
Life After MLMEpisode 25: Amanda Sekiguchi - Part 1Amanda and her husband were newly transplanted into Southern California for work, and looking for some mentorship and direction in life when she met a nice girl offering just that at a coffee shop. She was quickly swept up into the controlling nature of the oldest MLM in the world, Amway. Amanda and I talk about what life was like inside the cult, the BITE Model, and Amway's odd fixation on married couples and The American Dream.Show NotesJosie Naikoi "Not the Good Girl" - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DMThX0F-h6F1...
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Life After MLMEpisode 24: Skip Press - The 1995 Tax Fraud of Sunrider, InternationalIn the early 1990's Skip Press was a newlywed with a son on the way, looking for an alternative to the freelance life he was currently living; the thought of a corporate job with consistent, steady pay was enticing. He was hired on as the new Communications Director, and placed in charge of the huge yearly convention for a HUGE Multi Level Marketing company with juicy secrets. Things started to get weird almost immediately, as Skip recounts late night meetings, confidential confessions, volatile work environments, bogus health claims, and shocking evidence for future investigations in what he calls "the...
2021-04-281h 05
Life After MLMEpisode 23: Belen BradfordHey! A little call to action before we jump into this next story, I need your help! I am working on some ideas for future episodes, but I can't do it without you! Just hear me out hun, this could be an exciting opportunity for you! Afterwards, listen to the story of Belen, who was looking for friendship, confidence and community, but instead found gaslighting, manipulation and bullying from the same people she thought were her friends.Show Noteshttps://anchor.fm/roberta-blevins/messagehttps://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/https://www...
2021-04-2540 min
Life After MLMEpisode 22: Liz Arias - Part 2CONTENT WARNING : In this episode, we break down the deceptive and dangerous dealings of Mr. "Doctor" Donald Gary Young, founder of Young Living. We talk about many things that may be triggering to people, including infanticide. Please listen at your own discretion.In the second half of Liz's story, we talk about the random cause and effect that lead to her ending her Herbalife business, her time as a Young Living "kitnapper" and our common experiences in the beauty industry.Show NotesStudents Defrauded by Marinello Schools of Beauty Obtain Belated Discharges After...
2021-04-1954 min
Life After MLMEpisode 21: Liz Arias - Part 1When MLM found Liz, she was looking to up her game on the roller derby circuit. One of her derby friends reached out with a solution that answered of her problems, or so it seemed. Liz decided to go "all in" after a roller derby injury resulted in her losing her job as a cocktail waitress at a local casino. In this episode, we get deep into what it's like to sell Herbalife, what's the deal with those "Nutrition Shops", Betting on Zero and what happened to the latino population in Los Angeles during that time, and a professional's o...
2021-04-1955 min
Life After MLMEpisode 20: Josie Naikoi - The BITE Model - Part 2Josie and I finish up the BITE Model in part 2, diving into the Informational and Emotional control of commercial cults. Afterwards we discuss the DSA and politics in MLM, an inside perspective into those "free" perks, the culture and dynamics of the top of the pyramid, and a little personal chat and look into our lives outside of our Anti MLM advocacy efforts.Show NotesSteven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/DC Talk - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_TalkBruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic...
2021-04-1558 min
Life After MLMEpisode 19: Josie Naikoi - The BITE Model - Part 1You asked, and we answered! In this bonus episode, I talk to AntiMLM Advocate, "Not the Good Girl", Josie Naikoi about her time in MLM as the Top 1%, and our favorite topic to ramble on about, the BITE model.Show NotesNot the Good Girl - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DMThX0F-h6F1nzCbp6shw/featuredCombatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan - https://amzn.to/3uLhYco"Because of Deanne" - https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/becauseofdeanne/TikTok Hun - https://www.tiktok.com/@danascentedlifestyle...
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Life After MLMEpisode 18: Russ Nielsen - Part 2As if his story in part one couldn't get any weirder, in part two Russ tells us about his experience of heading to a big ACN convention where Donald Trump, star of The Apprentice, would be speaking at. He recounts his trip, including fudge inspired doowop, and odd encounter with an employee in the lobby of McDonalds. We get deep into the celebrity and political affiliations with ACN, how men are targeted by MLMs, and getting out of the MLM Complex.Show NotesExperience the excitement of ACN events! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
2021-04-121h 18
Life After MLMEpisode 17: Russ Nielsen - Part 1In this episode, we get to meet our very first "BroBot", Russ Nielsen, who had an incredibly unbelievable experience in a serviced based MLM. In an effort to keep Russ motivated and "all in" with their scam, his upline kept pushing attending big events, even when he couldn't afford to go. Even with the strange and abusive treatment he received, the dopamine fueled parties kept Russ on the hook, right up until the sunk cost fallacy kicked in when he went to Baltimore to hear Donald Trump speak.Show NotesACN Opportunity - https://www...
2021-04-111h 19
Life After MLMEpisode 16: Robert L. FitzPatrick - Anatomy of a Pyramid Scheme - Part 2In part 2, Robert and I finish up our analysis into the differences between MLMs and Pyramid Schemes, answer some questions from our listeners, discuss what the future of the Anti-MLM movement looks like and how to achieve the cohesive message that we both believe will change the future of how people view and understand Multi Level Marketing on a fundamental level.Show Notes:Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3tWutRSFalse Profits: Seeking Financial and Spiritual Deliverance in Multi-Level Marketing and Pyramid Schemes - https://amzn.to/3wr4Yu7
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Life After MLMEpisode 15: Robert L. FitzPatrick - Anatomy of a Pyramid Scheme - Part 1This is the bonus episode I have been waiting to record forever! I always enjoy all my conversations with Robert, because he's so knowledgeable on this subject and we have a great time talking about swindles, scams, tricks and flimflams. After I finished reading Ponzinomics, I immediately emailed Robert and asked him if he would be willing to talk with me on the podcast about his chapter "Anatomy of a Pyramid Scheme", so we can really define what differences there are between Pyramid Schemes and Multi Level Marketing. I think you know where this is going...Show...
2021-04-071h 18
Life After MLMEpisode 11: Lynzee Abel - Part 1Lynzee Abel was a wide eyed, optimistic person who just wanted more for her life when she was first introduced to Multi Level Marketing in her teens. With her professional retail experience, she thought she could have an edge in the competitive industry. Once she saw the way MLMs worked from the inside, after being involved in FIVE of them, she decided enough was enough. Show NotesMy favorite AntiMLM Wax Melt alternative (And it's the family owned business of AntiMLM Advocate Jessica James, of The Persuasion Pitch Podcast!) - https://windermerecandleco.com/B...
2021-03-281h 17
Life After MLMEpisode 10: Ryan McKnight - Mormonism and Multi-Level Marketing Part 2After tackling topics like cultural moray, the role of women in the LDS faith, and why Utah is rife with MLM's in part one, Ryan and I dive into "Big Pyramid", Mitt Romney's connections to MLM, the affinity fraud of Tahitian Noni Juice, the obsession of outrageous health claims and essential oils from a religious standpoint, and where your tithing really goes. This is Part 2.Show Notes:Truth and Transparency - https://www.truthandtransparency.org/How much do top Mormon leaders make? Leaked pay stubs may surprise you. - https://archive.sltrib.com...
2021-03-251h 10
Life After MLMEpisode 9: Ryan McKnight - Mormonism and Multi-Level Marketing Part 1As the founder of Truth and Transparency, and a former member of the Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints, Ryan McKnight has a unique perspective into the culture and atmosphere of the Mormon faith. Paired with his understanding of Multi Level Marketing and the scam it perpetuates, Ryan and I have an in depth discussion into some of the reasons why many LDS members fall victims to these cons, including cultural moray, gender roles within the church, "Magic Underwear", why MLM chose Utah and affinity fraud. This is part one.Show Notes...
2021-03-241h 13
Life After MLMEpisode 6: Cat Dean - Part 1After wanting to take responsibility for her finances, and become financially literate, Cat Dean realized her MLM was hemorrhaging her cash flow. Armed with this new knowledge, she decided to learn how to manage debt, become "financially free" without the cult of MLM, and help others leaving these businesses with their long term money goals as well. Stay tuned for Part 2!Show Notes:Follow Cat on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/debtfreewithcattitude/Follow Cat on TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@lifewithcattitudeBook Cat's Services - https://go.oncehub.com...
2021-03-141h 05
Life After MLMEpisode 5: Haley O'Bryan - MLM & Mental HealthIn our very first bonus episode, we talk with Haley O'Bryan, a therapist with a masters in counseling, a wide range of interest in social justic topics, and who did her masters theis on "Counseling Considerations for Clients with Experience in Multi-Level Marketing Companies and Similar Groups". Haley offers valuable insight into the harmful culture of MLM, the issues that come along with joining them and the importance of finding supportive treatment when leaving these cults.Show Notes!Follow Haley on Instagram! - https://www.instagram.com/counselorhaley/Haley's Masters Thesis; "Counseling Considerations...
2021-03-101h 37
Life After MLMEpiosde 4: Katie Kastner - Part 2In our 4th episode of Life After MLM, we finish Katie's story about her time in LuLaRoe. She walks us though her refund process, the 100% buyback drama, the deep feelings of guilt she experienced when leaving MLM and the resulting mental health journey she had to take to find herself again. In Katie's speaking out, she finds the cathartic release and the resulting validation when people begin to respond to her shared experience.Show Notes:Check out our Instagram feed @lifeaftermlmpodcast for Katie's Show Notes post to see all the pictures and things we talk...
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Life After MLMEpisode 1: Roberta Blevins - Life After MLMIn our very first episode of Life After MLM, I share my own story in Multi Level Marketing, the rise and fall of LuLaRoe from an inside perspective, and what's next for the Anti-MLM Movement.Show NotesPonzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3tWutRSHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not i...
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