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Life After MLMEpisode 255 : Sarah Rathbun Part 1Back in the 1980's Sarah was born into a Doomsday Cult who worshiped the "ascended Masters" built underground bunkers in the Montana wilderness to survive the nuclear holocaust of The Cold War. But that's not all... Their exalted leader who was affectionately known as "Mother", also had a hand in helping create the cult, Twin Flame University. In part 1 of our episode, we chat about the fear around the Cold War, the history of Church United and Triumphant, Twin Flames and a few other culty connections.Show NotesMontana Compound Zillow ListingJoin...2024-09-011h 02Life After MLMEpisode 254 : Dana CorriganDana had no idea the day my face came across her FYP, that in 2 years time her life would be totally different. It started off innocently enough, as an email asking questions, followed by light conversation back and forth, until the last email I received that started with "I just wanted to reach out and say - I QUIT!". But Dana's journey out of MLM was littered with the adjacent scams that occupy the spaces between; Coaching, Courses, Affiliate Marketing, and Facebook Raffle pages that look more like illegal gambling rackets than actual business support.Show Notes2024-08-251h 16Life After MLMEpisode 253 : Ginger & MichaelIt's about time we had another Herbalife episode, and this one might take the entire loaded tea/shake combo. Meet one of our Discord members Michael, and his mom Ginger who opened up their very own Herbalife Nutrition Shop without having to jump though any of the normal hoops. With shady business practices from their upline, and a less than honest attempt at a retail store, Ginger and Michael learned quickly that this wasn't a real business and it was too late to do anything about it. I hope the FTC and lawyers who keep tabs on Herbalife are...2024-08-181h 42Life After MLMEpisode 252 : Kate Williams & UntappedHey! We're coming to you with a BONUS EPISODE that's a little different that usual, in fact this bonus episode is just an information filled conversation about an event coming up soon that could greatly benefit a lot of our listeners! The Untapped Event put on by the 12M+ Instant Teams Community is an unparalleled 3-day conference designed for the military spouse community. It includes a 2-day virtual experience full of connections, networking, resources, and growth opportunities as well as a virtual hiring event. There will 2 on-site activations on Day 3 in Fort Liberty, NC, and Fort Campbell, TN. 2024-08-1427 minLife After MLMEpisode 251 : Don MartinFirst, I cannot believe we're on the OTHER SIDE of 250 episodes, and secondly it couldn't be with a more fun guest! Meet Don Martin, fraud investigator by day and host of the podcast Head on Fire. When Don made a video on TikTok asking about the potential dangers of Bomb Party, I HAD to make a reply video, and what happened was our worlds colliding and creating two different podcast episodes about it. In OUR episode on Life After MLM, Don and I talk about the Grift of the Woo, and how scammers invade the spiritual communities with their...2024-08-111h 36Life After MLMEpisode 250 : Chris Shelton Part 2It's our 250th Episode!!! Michelle is back to help with another Scientology episode! This time with our friend Chris Shelton to talk about his 27 years inside the cult and what the punishments Sea Org members receive are actually like. In this 2 part episode Chris shares about his time growing up inside Scientology, working as a Staff Member at Org Bases like Big Blue in LA, joining the Sea Org, and serving time in the Rehabilitation Project Force, where the punishment DID NOT fit the crime.Show NotesConnect with Chris : Instagram | YouTube | Twitter | Website2024-08-041h 09Life After MLMEpisode 249 : Chris Shelton Part 1Michelle is back to help with another Scientology episode! This time with our friend Chris Shelton to talk about his 27 years inside the cult and what the punishments Sea Org members receive are actually like. In this 2 part episode Chris shares about his time growing up inside Scientology, working as a Staff Member at Org Bases like Big Blue in LA, joining the Sea Org, and serving time in the Rehabilitation Project Force, where the punishment DID NOT fit the crime.Show NotesConnect with Chris : Instagram | YouTube | Twitter | WebsiteThe Underground Bunker2024-07-281h 05Life After MLMEpisode 248 : Stefan & JennaHave you ever seen someone on social media describing a weird encounter at a Walmart or a Mall where a random person comes up and starts strange conversations and complimenting them, and them wondering what just happened? I get tagged in almost ALL of them, and I always let the creator know that it's an MLM and to run. But it's not just ANY MLM, it's a very specific one we talk about A LOT (though today we'll be calling it "FAM") and what the person on social media just experienced is the prospecting part of what FAM likes...2024-07-211h 37Life After MLMEpisode 247 : TJ MusumhiWho doesn't love an Amway episode? I feel with each one we get 2 steps closer to figuring it all out, and still find a whole new set of questions to ask next time. In this chat we meet TJ Musumhi, a former member of the LOA LTD for 6 years. In his time with Amway and LTD, he faced faith manipulation and too many empty promises which lead him to discovering the truth of the Tools Scam. TJ dove into the rabbit hole and eventually found our episode with Sean Munger and reached out to share his story....2024-07-141h 24Life After MLMEpisode 246 : Irene GoodIrene is one of our Discord member who wanted to share her story of not only being rejected by the Kundalini Yoga Cult, but also growing up with an abusive mother obsessed with the attention associated with medical abuse. From her doctor shopping mother, to being misdiagnosed, Irene shares the story of her childhood and the neglect and chaos she was forced to accept as normal. We chat about our "neurosnazzy" journeys, mental health, Munchausen by proxy, Rx drug abuse, and why not to buy Yogi Tea.Show Notes3HO Yoga CultYoga...2024-07-071h 26Life After MLMEpisode 244 : "Stitch"When I put out the call to action a few weeks back for more Cutco/Vector Marketing content, I was pleasantly surprised with the response! When we start digging into trying to figure out an MLM, it seems each chat clears up some things, but opens more questions about others and this conversation with "Stitch" was no different. We chat about how Cutco doesn't "seem" like an MLM (and how they like it that way), in-home demonstrations, Cutco during Covid, and those dudes who run the booths on the State Fair circuit. As someone who ran a Cutco office, "...2024-06-231h 11Life After MLMEpisode 243 : Apostate Alex Returns!Apostate Alex returns to update us on the happenings of Scientology in the UK, and Michelle is back too! According to Alex, he's been "a bad, bad, boy" and has a lot to report on the Anti-Scientology protests and the shady government involvement that's been keeping him busy the past 7 months. The jokes alone are worth the trouble. He also shares his thoughts on activating activists, one of Michelle's favorite topics in advocacy, and how to get involved if you're in the UK and want to show support!Show NotesConnect with Alex! - YouTube...2024-06-161h 21Life After MLMEpisode 241 : Shannon Vavich Part 2In Part 2 with Shannon, we get deeper into the reasons why MLMs are prevalent in the lives of military spouses, both as representatives and customers. Shannon also shares with us, some of her side hustle journey to where she is today, and offers lots of job advice for those leaving MLM and transitioning into doing their own thing. From gig work and virtual assistants to starting your own business or monetizing a hobby, we break down a lot of the options available that are doable for most.Show NotesConnect with Shannon : TikTok | Instagram | YouTube...2024-06-021h 08Life After MLMEpisode 240 : Shannon Vavich Part 1Shannon reached out to me because it's time for her to tell her story, and I was happy to oblige. She's a military spouse and mother and she had some things she needs to get off her chest when it comes to MLMs and the US Military. In Part 1 Shannon and I discuss the times she found herself in Mary Kay, and the gross recruitment tactics that were used on her as a vulnerable wife of a deployed service member.Show NotesConnect with Shannon : TikTok | Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | The Flying Kitchen | Dismantled Podcast2024-05-261h 05Life After MLMEpisode 239 : Cristie StognerNot everyone who joins an MLM has a horrible experience, some people join MLMs to have some fun, make some friends and get a decent discount on a product they can't seem to live without. With some questions and concerns about her current MLM, Cristie reached out to me to find answers. She loved the products, her upline was great, and she was seemingly successful, until tax time made her look much deeper into the scam. I'll never forget that email when Cristie told me she had left Bella Fizz, had some moral injuries, and wanted to share her...2024-05-191h 15Life After MLMEpisode 238 : KimberleighKimberleigh is a member of our Discord and wanted to share her story of being in BOTH Cutco, a famously "masculine" MLM, and BeachBody, a famously "feminine" MLM and how different the experiences were with not only product and culture, but recruitment and FOMO. And as a special added bonus, Kimberleigh gives us some tips and suggestions for beefing up a resume after a few years of MLM service.Show NotesVector Marketing : Scam or Legit?LinkedIn LearningOut of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book Club2024-05-121h 09Life After MLMEpisode 237 : The 2024 MLM ConferenceI took my laptop and a microphone to the MLM Conference to chat with people on break! I took all that audio, plus my own thoughts and experiences and created a fun episode about what happens at the con when the zoom is paused. If you're looking to be a part of the 2025 MLM Conference, please reach out and I will get you in touch with the Steering Committee!Show NotesA Scroll Thru #AntiMLMThe MLM ConferenceConnect with those I interviewed!Elaine LingaJulie Anderson2024-05-061h 07Life After MLMEpisode 236 : Shelly Snow Pordea*This episode includes topics on child abuse, purity culture and child sexual abuse. Please use discretion when listening.*Shelly Snow Pordea was raised as an Independent Fundamental Baptist, and experienced CSA at a very young age, in fact too young for Shelly to process what had happened to her. It wasn't until a tent revival style sermon about Jezebels and Harlots at Church Camp that Shelly even made the connection to her abuse years earlier. When she brought this newfound information to the adults in charge of protecting her, they instead ostracized her and made her an...2024-04-281h 08Life After MLMEpisode 235 : CaseyWe watched the documentary "The Curious Case of Natalia Grace" on Discord and were FLOORED by the entire production. From the horrific story of child abuse to the sensationalized, dramatic storytelling, something always felt slightly off and prompted more questions than it ever answered. In this bonus episode we have listener and Discord Member Casey to lead her unique perspective into an incredibly nuanced topic of discussion.Show NotesThe Curious Case of Natalia GraceNatalia Grace RedditAdoption in the Media : Natalia GraceOut of MLM...2024-04-241h 15Life After MLMEpisode 234 : Shanny Payton*Content Warning: This episode contains conversations about infertility, adoption and foster care. Please use discretion when listening.*Shanny grew up in a strict Evangelical cult where her entire life as a woman was planned out for her. First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes the baby in the baby carriage, right? But what happens when no one prepares you for the very real possibility that things might not work out the way you want? For Shanny it looked like supporting every newly pregnant friend at their baby showers, fielding constant questions about her future as a...2024-04-211h 28Life After MLMEpisode 233 : Andrea, Terra & Roberta! Podcast Crossover!Last month I got to go to Podcast Movement Evolutions in Downtown Los Angeles and record a fun crossover episode with some of my favorite podcasting ladies at Spotify Studios! HUGE THANK YOU to Spotify for the use of the space and your hospitality! And it was so great to hang out with and collaborate on content with Andrea Dunlop and Terra Newell! Our chat got cut short due to LA traffic and bad GPS directions, but we managed to get in some time to chat about the intersectional topics of our shows, and how we can support those...2024-04-1746 minLife After MLMEpisode 233 : Andrea, Terra & Roberta! Podcast Crossover!Last month I got to go to Podcast Movement Evolutions in Downtown Los Angeles and record a fun crossover episode with some of my favorite podcasting ladies at Spotify Studios! HUGE THANK YOU to Spotify for the use of the space and your hospitality! And it was so great to hang out with and collaborate on content with Andrea Dunlop and Terra Newell! Our chat got cut short due to LA traffic and bad GPS directions, but we managed to get in some time to chat about the intersectional topics of our shows, and how we can support those...2024-04-1743 minLife After MLMEpisode 232 : Meg AppelgateTrigger Warnings : This episode talks about child abuse, kidnapping and CSA. Please use discretion when listening.When she was just 15, Meg Appelgate was abducted by two strangers in the middle of the night from her home in California. Over the course of the next 6 months Meg would enter a behavioral modification program called Chrysalis in northern Montana where she would spend the next 3 years. These programs go by the names "youth residential treatment centers", "wilderness programs", "boot camps", or "therapeutic boarding schools" among others, but they are what we now know as the Troubled Teen Industry, a vile...2024-04-141h 26Life After MLMEpisode 231 : AnnIt was just past year that Anne took pause and started digging into her admittedly "weird childhood". After listening to the podcast Nobody Should Believe Me, she started to suspect that she may have been the victim of medical child abuse, what is more commonly known as Munchausen by Proxy. With an unhealed and unwilling mother to answer her questions, Anne dove into everything she could consume to process the trauma she experienced as a young girl. In our chat we get into the triggers and possible reasons for her mother's actions, as well as the generational trauma we...2024-04-0759 minLife After MLMEpisode 230 : Sandy RuskLast year I received a heartbreaking email from a mother who had felt she was running out of options; her daughter was stuck in a controlling cult, isolated from friends and family, and she hadn't seen her in years. Over several months I met with Sandy to discuss her story and the history behind how she got here. The more I heard the more I wondered; Was Sandy's daughter a strong, independent spirit? Or was there something more calculated and nefarious at play?Show NotesConnect with Sandy : Facebook | Instagram The Truth About...2024-03-311h 34Life After MLMEpisode 229 : The Life and Times of Glenn W. TurnerSean Munger is back to share the story of Glenn W. Turner! Arguably one of the earliest HunBros of all time, with such hits as "Fake it til you Make it!", Koscot Interplanetary and the Dare to Be Great! course scam. In our chat, Sean recounts the life, times and legal troubles of the early MLM Kingpin Glenn W. Turner, a man so obsessed with fame, success, wealth and greed that it lead to his ultimate downfall and felony conviction.Show NotesConnect with Sean : YouTubeSean's Koscot VideoGlenn W...2024-03-241h 31Life After MLMEpisode 228 : Lacey GallearLacey had been out of high demand control for years when she sat down to watch a TV show and was triggered by her past experiences. From her Gideon Roots, and Romanian Orphan Trips to her life as a DINK in Quixtar, Lacey definitely had a pattern of cults and high demand control she couldn't see until it was long in her rearview mirror. In our chat we cover how Quixtar came and went, coaching scams, Costco, the public perception of MLMs and what Amway calls "The Process".Show NotesSmall Business Shoutout! Starla from...2024-03-171h 54Life After MLMEpisode 227 : Kurtis WaldronKurtis just wanted to have a Scentsy party to help a friend, and ended up using his party points to join the team. When the annual convention went digital during the pandemic, Kurtis's megahun upline refused to let it get her down, renting a massive house in Gatlinburg, Tennessee and hosting her own event. We also chat about Disney World's upcoming Scentsy attraction, Smellephants on Parade.Show NotesGatlinburg, TennesseeJustin Darnell Comedy : Gatlinburg OfficialSmellephants on ParadeScentsy Logo Added to DumboOut of MLM2024-03-101h 09Life After MLMEpisode 226 : Claire and Marc Headley Part 2Nineteen years ago Marc and Claire Headley escaped Scientology, the cult they had grown up in, and started their journey to real freedom. In Part 2 of our conversation, we go deeper down the rabbit hole into OSA, Fair Gaming and how Anonymous joined the good fight. Plus how the rage baiting and hate sport of social media advocacy fuels the algorithm, Marc's juicy inside secrets, Car School and of course, Tom Cruise.Show NotesConnect with Marc & Claire - Website | YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Facebook | Twitter | PodcastTom Cruise's BirthdayProject Chanology & A...2024-03-061h 19Life After MLMEpisode 225 : Claire and Marc Headley Part 1Nineteen years ago Marc and Claire Headley escaped Scientology, the cult they had grown up in, and started their journey to real freedom. In Part 1 of our conversation with special guest host Michelle Carpenter, Marc and Claire share about their lives climbing the bridge, their early advocacy, South Park, how Xenu gets a bad rap and a possible answer to the question that's been asked for 18 years; "Where's Shelly?".Show NotesConnect with Marc & Claire - Website | YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Facebook | Twitter | PodcastOperation Snow WhiteUnited States v. Hubbard2024-03-031h 24Life After MLMEpisode 224 : Gina PezzulloGina Pezzullo has a unique perspective when it comes to MLMs and utilizing social media. Back when she first joined in 2001, smart phones, apps and social media didn't exist. In fact, parties were local, in home and came with forms to fill out while you shopped. One single bounced check or declined credit card could wreak havoc on the hostess's entire party. It was a stark contrast to the highly accessible online shopping world today, and it's not surprising to learn that the viral trends of MLM selling impacted how e-commerce operates today.Show Notes...2024-02-251h 17Life After MLMEpisode 223 : Rachel WeatherlyWhile browsing the posts on Bluesky, Michelle stumbled across a post for a short film using #antimlm called The Downline. We decided to watch it on Patreon and after I decided to reach out to the filmmaker, Rachel Weatherly and ask her to come chat about her films The Downline and The Hun, her inspirations for the films, her own MLM experiences and what's next for Poppy the Megahun.Show NotesConnect with Rachel! : Instagram | YouTube | WebsiteThe HunThe DownlineEerie, Indiana : S1 E1 ForeverwareOut...2024-02-1852 minLife After MLMEpisode 222 : Romance ScamsIt's Valentine's Day AND Life After MLM's 3rd birthday! So to celebrate, we've got a bonus episode loaded with Romance Scam Horror Stories and Red Flag Education. Today's stories were compiled from Reddit's Scam Subthread, articles on Romance Scams, the FTC and LAMLM listener, Jolie! Have a safe Valentine's Day and don't fall for a romance scammer!Show NotesReddit Story #1Reddit Story #2Georgina's StoryThe Handsome Soldier StoryAlison's StoryFTC & Romance ScamsOut of MLMThe BITE Model2024-02-1554 minLife After MLMEpisode 221 : Nick ThompsonBack during the pandemic, I got hooked on a reality show called Love is Blind, I couldn't get enough. But as the seasons progressed, there was a level of concern that turned my watching into more of a fascination than fandom. So when Nick Thompson, star of Season 2, started comparing the show to a cult in the media and describing a level of control I could definitely relate to, I knew we had a lot to talk about. Just in time for Valentine's Day Nick and I discuss in detail the "Cult of Reality TV ", how it ruined his...2024-02-111h 35Life After MLMEpisode 220 : Hannah AlonzoOne of the biggest content requests on my social media has been to collaborate with Hannah Alonzo. So I sent her a message and she was happy to oblige! If you aren't familiar with Hannah (or her cat Zeke!) get ready to fall in love with one of the most compassionate AntiMLM content creators on YouTube. In our conversation we talk about how far AntiMLM has come, Family Vloggers, what it's like to live your life on camera, and what kind of backlash she got when she announced her pregnancy.Show NotesConnect with Hannah...2024-02-041h 28Life After MLMEpisode 219 : Darren MuddEveryone loves an Amway episode, and this chat with Darren Mudd is no exception. As our deep dive into Amway in Season 4 is just getting started, we meet Darren who tells us about being an Ambot in the UK, recruiting at University, and the DTI investigation against Amway. Plus we dip our toes into the conversation about cyrpto and around scamming and scambaiting. Stay tuned at the end for a bit of "Scam Poetry" from Darren! Full video and clips on YouTube!Show NotesConnect with Darren : Website | LinkedInDoug Wead Email2024-01-281h 33Life After MLMEpisode 218 : Heather TobinHeather Tobin has been involved with MLM one way or another for the past 33 years. The farther Heather got away from The MLM Complex, the easier it was for her to see connections between the business model and the stress, depression, anxiety, and other issues she was facing. Now, as a mental health advocate she looks back on her time in MLM with a clearer eye and understanding of the systemic ways MLM's prey on not only our physical and financial health, but our mental health as well.Show NotesThe Living R3 Webinar2024-01-211h 24Life After MLMEpisode 217 : Dr. Amy Saltzman, MDDr. Amy Saltzman spent over 30 years with a Life Coach who kept her controlled within an intricate web of lies. Once the psychologist read the results of an incredibly thorough mental health evaluation, it was only then that Dr. Amy could see every silvery thread her spider had woven. In the years since, Amy has made it her life's work to help us "Spot a Spider" and see the red flags of undue influence. In our chat we cover our own experiences, what signs to watch out for, and what to do if you think you may have a...2024-01-141h 17Life After MLMEpisode 216 : Kelli Copter*Content Warning : This episode talks about child abuse, disordered eating and suicide attempts in detail. Please use caution when listening to these sensitive subjects.*Kelli Copter was declared a Suppressive Person at age 6. The Church of Scientology told her parents to handle her or disconnect from her, and so the handling lasted 10 years until at 16 Kelli was kicked out of her house and the disconnection began. In our chat Kelli discusses what that "handling" entailed, the effects of living in an abusive home, her battles with disordered eating and the worst decision she's ever made....2024-01-071h 12Life After MLMEpisode 214 : Holiday Magic LIVE!In the liminal space between Christmas and New Year's it's best to just have fun and keep it low stress! So.... remember my Holiday Magic record? It's time to break it out and break it down with our TRIPLE Emerald Princess of Robots, Michelle Carpenter! Plus some sneak peeks for 2024, and what we've got in store for the LAMLM Community!!Show NotesHoliday Magic Record CoverA not so Magical HolidayRemembering Bruce Craig, Esq.Out of MLMThe BITE ModelLAMLM Book Club2023-12-281h 38Life After MLMEpisode 213 : JulesIt's our Christmas episode!!! Back in our live episode from Dallas, I mentioned The Body Shop at Home being an MLM to the shock of most of the live audience and teased that we had an episode coming up soon... Well this is that episode!!! Jules is joining us all the way from Down Under in Sydney, to talk about the MLMs that plague the Outback and what these scams look like in Australia.Show NotesNisseHow Consumers Fell Out of Love with The Body Shop @ HomeAurelius Acquires The...2023-12-241h 13Life After MLMEpisode 212 : Brandie HadfieldFor 10 years Brandie Hadfield found herself on the hamster wheel of her MLM, trying to make sense of it all. It wasn't until the middle of the Covid-19 Pandemic and seeing the disgusting predatory nature of MLM with her own eyes that she decided to ask more questions and look for the answers herself. In our chat we discuss the seldom recognized unfair advantages in MLM, your MLM cult identity and the healing journey to getting yourself back.Show NotesConnect with Brandie : Instagram | SubstackeXp LawsuitDr. Janja Lalich2023-12-201h 04Life After MLMEpisode 211 : Fundie FridaysAre you enjoying Holiday Magic so far? Today we're headed to Church with The Reverend Jen and King James of the wildly popular YouTube channel Fundie Fridays! In our chat we talk about the similarities between our missions, our thoughts on the Duggars, Sister Wives, Purity Culture and all the MLM parties they've been to. Plus we chat a bit about some of the history, loopholes and economic implications of Multi Level Marketing for a little sneak peek into next season's focus!Show NotesConnect with Jen : Instagram | TikTok | YouTube | PatreonConnect with...2023-12-171h 29Life After MLMEpisode 210 : Meggan LanahanAfter 14 years in Amway, Meggan decided this year, that she needed to leave. Spending her young adult years in Amway had a profound impact on Meggan and her ability to "adult" and function in normal society outside of the cult. It wasn't until a tragic accident, and the resulting behavior of the higher ups in her LOA that Meggan found herself questioning the motivation of authority and the demand for a dittos autoship she didn't need.Show NotesAmway & The Younger GenerationMLM Meets GenZThe Amway Tools Cult...2023-12-131h 09Life After MLMEpisode 209 : Ashley Love RichardsHave you met Ashley? She's a lot in the best way, and since we both have podcasts about cults and scams, I thought she might wanna come on and make some content together. We talk about everything under the sun, from our own f*cked up experiences to creepy holiday festivals and the cult of being a Swiftie. This episode is a little all over the place and has a bit of something for anyone that's ever thought "That's SO f*cked up!"Show NotesConnect with Ashley : Instagram | TSFU IG | WebsiteThat's...2023-12-101h 18Life After MLMEpisode 208 : Jane MarieWelcome to Day 1 of Holiday Magic! And what better person to help welcome in the month long of fun, than The Dream's Jane Marie! I know the impact that The Dream and Jane's work had on my journey out of MLM, so I can only imagine what the movement has experienced! Jane and I have a fun chat about the early days of AntiMLM, her time at This American Life, The DSA & The BIG Baddies of MLM, and what we really think about Robert FitzPatrick.Show NotesConnect with Jane Marie! Instagram | TikTok | Twitter | Website2023-12-031h 15Life After MLMEpisode 207 : Twin Flames UniverseSending out Cultvember in STYLE! Have you seen the two new docuseries on Twin Flames Universe? They are a must watch for anyone who is a fan of cults getting exposed. The shows follow some of the victims of TFU as they tell their stories from their time inside the community and the dangerous advice being given inside the organization. Being familiar with this sort of thing, I decided to join the Facebook group to see what it was all about and what the members were saying about the group, the belief system and the media exposure. What I...2023-11-2938 minLife After MLMEpisode 206 : Liz Gale*Content Warning : In this episode we discuss excommunication, death and suicide. Please use discretion when listening.*Liz Gale was born a 3rd Generation Scientologist. In fact, her family was into Scientology, before it was ever called Scientology. From the moment Liz's grandmother picked up that copy of Dianetics, it set her family on a tragic trajectory until Liz herself decided to break the generational trauma that L. Ron Hubbard created. In our chat we discuss what excommunication looks like inside the church and the worst possible outcomes for those who feel like they have nowhere else to...2023-11-2655 minLife After MLMEpisode 205 : Liz Ferris*This episode discusses many heavy topics, including child abuse; including descriptions of abuse, starvation, sexual assault and suicidal ideas and actions. PLEASE use discretion when listening.*When I first started looking into Scientology stories that needed to be told, Michelle asked me if I knew about Liz Ferris and the story of her dad Bob Ferris. You see, Scientology is really good at a couple things; disconnection, abuse and lies - but I was WHOLLY unprepared for the story that Liz had to tell. Listening to Liz recount her life, from as early as she can remember...2023-11-2253 minLife After MLMEpisode 204 : Apostate AlexOur first Scientology episode of the Cultvember season! Meet Alex, who was previously the Director of Public Book Sales at the Church of Scientology London, until he was kicked out and labeled a ‘Trouble Source". Which works perfectly because I have a lot of questions and Alex is here to let us know what's up with the whole MLMy side hustle of book sales in CoS. Along the way we break down Alex's own story, and some of the more complicated policies of L. Ron Hubbard.Show NotesConnect with Alex! - YouTube | Instagram | Twitter | We...2023-11-191h 14Life After MLMEpisode 203 : Marilyn Honig*Content Warning : This episode discusses topics such as death, cult indoctrination and child abuse. Please use discretion when listening.*As we move out of Evangelicalism and into Scientology, Marilyn Honig is the perfect guest to bridge the gap. Raised in trauma, Marilyn started her life as a Lost Child, falling between the cracks in the systems put in place to help her. She ended up being adopted by a large Pentecostal family, entrenched in the bells and whistles of the tent revival movement, complete with speaking in tongues and laying hands to cast out demons. By the...2023-11-151h 12Life After MLMEpisode 202 : Lindsey Williams*Content Warning : In this episode we discuss child abuse openly, sharing our personal experiences and stories. Please use discretion when listening.*In continuing our evangelical education for Cult Month, I couldn't leave out a discussion about Bill Gothard, IBLP and the normalization of child abuse at his hands. And there was no other person who came to mind to discuss this topic besides Lindsey Williams, one of the stars from the documentary Shiny Happy People. As one of "Gothard's Girls" Lindsey has a unique perspective into life at Headquarters, what's expected of you and what actually happens...2023-11-121h 33Life After MLMEpisode 201 : Kathy Kiger - Live from Dallas, Tx!We're LIVE from Dallas, Texas! Come hang out with us and meet Kathy, a woman who answered an Instagram post and ended up sitting next to me on stage, recording this podcast in front of a live audience! Talk about being put on the spot! But Kathy is an incredible sport as she tells us about growing up Baptist, joining the ICoC in grad school, and trying her hand at Beauty Counter, all before facing some had truths and admitting what she had known deep down all along. It's a coming out story that only gets better in a...2023-11-081h 08Life After MLMEpisode 200 : Janice Lagata*In this episode we discuss evangelical deconstruction, church abuse, white supremacy and misogyny. Please use discretion when listening.*Did you happen to catch either of the Hillsong docs? Because I have questions, and I couldn't think of a better person to ask than Janice Lagata. As one of the founding members of Hillsong NYC, Janice remembers a time before Carl Lentz. Before NBA players, and Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez and 6 sermons a Sunday. Before the crowds of fans flocked to church to tithe to a group of nepo babies and their cronies, as they used the...2023-11-051h 13Life After MLMEpisode 199 : April AjoyAfter a heavy month of True Crime, we are starting off Cult Month with the lovely April Ajoy to discuss Purity Culture, Christian Nationalism and detoxing from Evangelicalism. From her days of wearing a purity ring and answering phone calls at Pat Robertson's 700 Club, to her personal experiences deconstructing her beliefs and having the hard conversations, April never loses her sense of humor.Show NotesConnect with April : Instagram | TikTok | Twitter | ThreadsEvangelicalishThe Non Binary Marriage PodcastAssemblies of GodEvangelicals & CultsThe Rise...2023-11-011h 16Life After MLMEpisode 198 : Emily Ragland*This episode includes details of sexual assault, and discusses the topics of consent, purity culture, identity and trauma. Please use discretion when listening.*20 year ago, Emily Ragland was a freshman at Guilford College in North Carolina, playing on the softball team and studying to enter the field of civil rights. The Quaker based college appealed to her as a Christian, POC woman looking to make her place in the world for the first time in her life. But on October 31st, 2003 a violent attack changed every trajectory in Emily's life and left her to fend for herself...2023-10-291h 40Life After MLMEpisode 197 : The Murder of Jared Bridegan*This episode talks about the details in a current murder case. As of publication, this case is still ongoing.*Today is full of bonuses! We've got 3 hometown hauntings, some details on an ongoing MLM-adjacent murder case, and a chat with the host of Murderish, Jami Rice! Jami and I talk about ethical true crime, what it's like to be a podcaster in this space, and her thoughts on Fyre Festival. The LIVE taping of this episode is available on Patreon as a member exclusive live show!Show NotesThe Cuddle Cult...2023-10-271h 18Life After MLMEpisode 196 : Collier Landry*This episode contains depictions of violence including murder. Please use discretion when listening.*What's going on?? At the age of 12, Collier Landry helped solve his mother's murder, at the hands of his psychopathic, narcissist father. And if that wasn't incredible enough, he spent the next decade giving his mother a voice and finding the peace he needed to move on in his true crime documentary, A Murder in Mansfield. Collier and I also go deeper into the ethical true crime debate and talk about the impacts of content creation on victims.Show Notes...2023-10-221h 40Life After MLMEpisode 195 : ClaireIn a military career that spans her entire adult life, over the years Claire has witnessed a lot of strange behavior that caused her to pause and ask questions. Whether an obsessive classmate, a company draped in red flags, or a scummy dad at the park, her hackles were always up. In an anthology of true crime stories that Claire has been oddly close to, we learn how she navigated these encounters and the importance of trusting your gut.Show NotesDiane ZamoraViSalus WikiGarrison CourtneyGarrison on...2023-10-181h 08Life After MLMEpisode 194 : Terra NewellTerra Newell might be best known for taking down Dirty John, but she's definitely more than that! As a True Crime Survivor, Terra is an advocate for victims and survivors, as well as hosting a podcast called Survivor Squad. I've been a huge fan of Terra for a long time so I couldn't wait to chat to her about her story, her healing journey and her thoughts on "Ethical True Crime".Show NotesConnect with Terra : Instagram | TikTok | Twitter | YouTube | Survivor SquadBloody Mary LoreDirty John PodcastThe...2023-10-151h 06Life After MLMEpisode 193 : Billy McFarlandFrom the moment I heard about Fyre Festival, I was hooked. And not because I wanted to go, I was leaving my own scam at the time but because of the scammer at the forefront, Billy McFarland. It may seem odd to have a "favorite fraudster" but Billy takes the cake, from his earliest scams in childhood to his Fyre Festival 2 vision for "making it right", he's the GRIFT that keeps on GRIFTING. After speaking with Gina and starting our conversation about Fyre, I felt it was necessary to dive into the man who started it all and leave...2023-10-1152 minLife After MLMEpisode 192 : Gina & FyreAfter making lots of Billy McFarland content on TikTok, Gina reached out to me with a story I had never heard before. After the disaster, Gina who was there to help fun the event, and her team of 40 employees were stranded on Great Exuma for way too long, without any insight or solid plan for getting home. From the Lord of the Flies style pandemonium, flaming mattresses, sharp rocks, dusty cheese sandwiches and guests black out drunk from pallets of tequila, not all of the story was told in the documentaries. With her eye witness accounts of what actually...2023-10-081h 08Life After MLMEpisode 191 : Amber Part 2It's Halloween Season! Welcome back to PART 2 of both our Bodie Curse Ghost Story, and the ending of Amber's story with Bomb Party!After we got a bit into her rise throughout the company and the countless hours of labor exploitation in the name of building trainings in Part 1, in Part 2 we dive move into the passive aggressive bullying aspect of her experience and the downfall of her Bomb Party Empire. As a "load bearing brick", there is a lot of pressure put on you to perform and fall in line, and asking too many of the...2023-10-041h 24Life After MLMEpisode 190 : Amber Part 1Happy October! We've got holiday bonuses, starting with a story of a cursed ghost town in the high desert of California to accompany our MOST cursed episode to date! Audio issues are common in interviews, and most can be fixed in post... but it took 3 different recording sessions for this chat with Amber of Bomb Party to take. I've experienced Fair Gaming before but Kayla agreed, this felt otherworldly! Luckily, we were able to get it done and bring it to you in 2 parts! In part 1 we meet Amber, a Military wife who was willing to do what she...2023-10-011h 21
Life After MLMEpisode 61 - LuLaBitch - Maelen - Part 2*The stories shared in LuLaBitch are our own personal experiences, opinions and allegations of our time in the cult LuLaRoe. Some accounts may be triggering. Please listen at your own discretion. This is meant as a companion series to the Amazon Docuseries, LuLaRich, and is in no way affiliated with the film.*
We continue Maelen's story after the disaster of Vision 2017 broke the straw, and her dealing with leaving LuLaRoe and the 100% Buy Back cancelation nightmare. We discuss the culture in LuLaRoe, and what it was like being outside the target demographic, the tokenism, two faced lies...2021-09-3048 min
Life After MLMEpisode 60 - LuLaBitch - Maelen - Part 1*The stories shared in LuLaBitch are our own personal experiences, opinions and allegations of our time in the cult LuLaRoe. Some accounts may be triggering. Please listen at your own discretion. This is meant as a companion series to the Amazon Docuseries, LuLaRich, and is in no way affiliated with the film.*
Maelen reached out to me after watching LuLaRich, and knew she needed to get some things off her chest about her time in LuLaRoe and the processing of those emotions. She shares her journey with me, starting with an out of state Inspire tour where...2021-09-2951 min
Life After MLMEpisode 59 - "Michelle"*In this episode of Life After MLM, we talk about the MLM Pure Romance, which includes adult themes and situations. This episode is recommended for 18+ and if you are sensitive to this subject matter, please use your own discretion.*
"Michelle" was ride or die with Pure Romance for almost 19 years, after a messy divorce left her a single mom with a hungry teenage son. Although admittedly shy, the experience opened her up and she found she was a natural at recruiting, growing herself an impressively large team. But "Michelle" started to see the rot of Pure Romance...2021-09-261h 22
Life After MLMPodcast Update! New Episodes August 1st!Hey! Thanks so much for being so patient while I took July off for some mental health time. New episodes with return Sunday, August 1st! We've got stories coming up from World Financial Group, Herbalife, Younique, and many more! Plus, some personal updates, social media updates, sharing some milestones and what else I have in store for new episodes! See you next week!
Show Notes!
Anti MLM Bookclub - Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3q16oJb
We hit 100K! - https://www.tiktok.com/@bertalikewhoa/video/6988690539826728197?lang=en&is...2021-07-2619 min
Life After MLMEpisode 39: Julie JoBefore Julie Jo was a major force in the AntiMLM TikTok community, she was an Arbonne Hun. She climbed the ranks within her MLM, and qualified for that coveted White Mercedes. Julie breaks down what it takes to get there and how much that "FREE CAR" really costs. We also chat about TikTok, the AntiMLM community, cult tactics, and what we do about all those "haters" we get.*If you're catching us in real time, head over to TikTok for a dual live chat about the episode!*Show NotesJulie's TikTok! https://www...2021-06-2047 min
Life After MLMEpisode 38: Laura Caton - Part 2When Laura found herself pregnant with her 4th baby, in the middle of the Covid pandemic, she worried that her Mary Kay business may have been hurting more than it was helping. She took a long look at the numbers with her husband, and realized that she "never saw a true profit" from her 5 years in the "business". After a stress induced rash and severely swollen feet, Laura had "the talk" and decided to make a life change, another unexpected silver lining of the pandemic. Show NotesAbout the 99% Failure Rate - https://www.pinktruth.c...2021-06-161h 06
Life After MLMEpisode 37: Laura Caton - Part 1Laura Caton was a mother of young children just looking for something of her own when she learned about a local community theater company in her area. She was targeted multiple times in her small town by the local Mary Kay Director, before eventually "starting her own business" with the MLM. Because she was a homeschooling mom, with little outlet outside of home, she began selling and sharing the opportunity within the theater company, convinced they needed the quality products that "only Mary Kay could offer". Laura and I share similar MLM experiences and joke about some of the l...2021-06-141h 09
Life After MLMEpisode 36: Rebecca - Once Upon a Biz - Part 2In the conclusion of Rebecca's story, we get a bit deeper into the cult aspects and what she started to see and experience. While her new life as a mom was keeping her busy, and her husband's new career kept him away from the weekly team meetings, things with Amway began to unravel. Rebecca and I discuss different elements of the BITE Model that she personally knew were happening, what it's like to buy your rank, and how "Diamonds" are REALLY made.Show NotesOnce Upon a Biz Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/onceuponabiz/2021-06-081h 00
Life After MLMEpisode 35: Rebecca - Once Upon a Biz - Part 1Rebecca, the AntiMLM force behind the IG account "Once Upon a Biz", spent 10 years of her life in the cult of Amway. While under their spell, she found herself slowly changing and shifting not only her attitude and focus, but her religious and political views as well. She met her husband while in what she describes as her "hunbot" phase, and shares what it's like navigating a marriage formed in the cult, once you've left. I've heard of some culty MLM behavior, but this one takes the cake.Show NotesOnce Upon a Biz Instagram...2021-06-061h 05
Life After MLMEpisode 34: Chelsea Flores and The Story of Zafire Natural Beauty and Wellness*Content Warning* This story contains the exploitation of minors as young as 16, in a "Student Financial Assistance" scam. Those who are sensitive to stories like this, please use your best judgement before proceeding.Chelsea Flores was a young woman living in the Philippines, when she heard about a financial assistance scam targeting young students in her area. The opportunity, Zafire Natural Beauty and Wellness, an MLM headed by a narcissistic cult-like leader, looked too good to be true. Although she was not a victim of Zafire, she knew she had to help the students get justice by...2021-05-2648 min
Life After MLMEpisode 33: "Ruth" - Part 2*Content Warning* This episode features a former rep from Pure Romance, an MLM that deals with adult products and toys. We talk about many topics that are not suitable for younger listeners, and could be triggering for some, including sexual situations and trauma. Please listen at your own discretion.In part 2, "Ruth" finishes her story about her time in Pure Romance and shares what she started to experience as soon as higher education came into her life. We talk about the aspects of Pyramid Schemes and how certain things she personally saw mirrored Robert FitzPatrick's teachings on...2021-05-241h 10
Life After MLMEpisode 32: "Ruth" - Part 1*Content Warning* This episode features a former rep from Pure Romance, an MLM that deals with adult products and toys. We talk about many topics that are not suitable for younger listeners, and could be triggering for some, including sexual situations and trauma. Please listen at your own discretion."Ruth" joined Pure Romance when her previous MLM, Slumber Parties was bought out and they were merged together. For 7 years, she was at the top 5% of the company, educating on sexual health and wellness, or so she thought. Despite any gut feelings, she stayed because she genuinely loved...2021-05-231h 10
Life After MLMEpisode 31: Chelsea SuarezAnother Bonus episode! And this time it's with my girl, Chelsea! You may know her from her YouTube Channel where she does deep dives into MLM companies, talks to former 1%, and exposes scammers, among other things. We chat about her new gig as a full time content creator, her personal experiences in MLM, and the differences she's seen between being an actual sales professional, vs an MLM rep. Plus, Chelsea's beef with Monat, and what you can do to help too.Show NotesChelsea's YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/c/CCSuarez...2021-05-191h 13
Life After MLMEpisode 30: "Moira""Moira" was a stay at home mom of 3 boys, who bought into the hype of MLM in 2016. While chasing the dream of being at the top of the pyramid, "Moira" found herself involved with 3 different MLMs, including an elusive invitation to a "Ground Floor Opportunity". From her vantage point, she got a deep look into the toxic positivity of MLM, and experienced more psychological manipulation than she bargained for.Show NotesMillennial Women Made LuLaRoe Billions. Then They Paid The Price. - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemcneal/lularoe-millennial-women-entrepreneurship-lawsuitsIs Color Street A...2021-05-161h 16
Life After MLMEpisode 29: Megan Williams - Part 2In the conclusion of Megan's story, she shares her struggles with Senegence, the predatory and toxic nature of what she experienced inside the cult, and how she got out and moved on. We also connect on a personal level and find out we have a lot more in common that just MLM (which is a pattern of coincidence I'm starting to see on this show...).Show NotesMegan "ZonaLife" YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL-WOySfYcGuFzLaI9qWnJQsErica McBeth YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV1lJDzOZshmJPn76_J4kKg52...2021-05-101h 02
Life After MLMEpisode 28: Megan Williams - Part 1As an addict in recovery, Megan was targeted in her sacred Tuesday Night meeting by a seemingly friendly looking, tattooed woman who she connected with. Over a cup of coffee, she's pitched the beauty MLM, Senegence and decides to start her "business". Over the course of her time with the company, Megan started to notice things weren't what she signed up for. Thankfully for us, she's spilling all the SeneTea.Show NotesMegan "ZonaLife" YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL-WOySfYcGuFzLaI9qWnJQs Million Dollar Lips: A Journey into the Hearts of Women a...2021-05-091h 04
Life After MLMEpisode 27: Ioanna & Aaron - Sip With MeIn this bonus episode, I interview the hosts of Sip with Me about their MLM themed, second season. I had so much fun talking with Ioanna and Aaron last summer on their show, that I had to have them on mine! They recount what they learned diving into the Anti MLM world, their own cringey experiences with MLM, how it invaded their personal and professional spaces and even share an MLM inspired cocktail created just for the show!Show NotesSip with Me Podcast - https://www.sipwithme.org/podcastSip with Me...2021-05-051h 05
Life After MLMEpisode 26: Amanda Sekiguchi - Part 2In the conclusion of Amanda's story, we finish up the BITE model and talk about the artificial "mentorship" and friendships of MLM. Once she understood what was actually happening, she became fiercely protective of her groups outside of Amway and started to realize that this wasn't what she signed up for. Her and her husband decided that it was time to leave, and shortly after things began to change.Show NotesSteven Hassan’s BITE Model of Authoritarian Control - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/LAMLM : The BITE Model with Josie Naikoi Part 1...2021-05-0354 min
Life After MLMEpisode 25: Amanda Sekiguchi - Part 1Amanda and her husband were newly transplanted into Southern California for work, and looking for some mentorship and direction in life when she met a nice girl offering just that at a coffee shop. She was quickly swept up into the controlling nature of the oldest MLM in the world, Amway. Amanda and I talk about what life was like inside the cult, the BITE Model, and Amway's odd fixation on married couples and The American Dream.Show NotesJosie Naikoi "Not the Good Girl" - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DMThX0F-h6F1...2021-05-021h 00
Life After MLMEpisode 24: Skip Press - The 1995 Tax Fraud of Sunrider, InternationalIn the early 1990's Skip Press was a newlywed with a son on the way, looking for an alternative to the freelance life he was currently living; the thought of a corporate job with consistent, steady pay was enticing. He was hired on as the new Communications Director, and placed in charge of the huge yearly convention for a HUGE Multi Level Marketing company with juicy secrets. Things started to get weird almost immediately, as Skip recounts late night meetings, confidential confessions, volatile work environments, bogus health claims, and shocking evidence for future investigations in what he calls "the...2021-04-281h 05
Life After MLMEpisode 23: Belen BradfordHey! A little call to action before we jump into this next story, I need your help! I am working on some ideas for future episodes, but I can't do it without you! Just hear me out hun, this could be an exciting opportunity for you! Afterwards, listen to the story of Belen, who was looking for friendship, confidence and community, but instead found gaslighting, manipulation and bullying from the same people she thought were her friends.Show Noteshttps://anchor.fm/roberta-blevins/messagehttps://www.instagram.com/lifeaftermlmpodcast/https://www...2021-04-2540 min
Life After MLMEpisode 22: Liz Arias - Part 2CONTENT WARNING : In this episode, we break down the deceptive and dangerous dealings of Mr. "Doctor" Donald Gary Young, founder of Young Living. We talk about many things that may be triggering to people, including infanticide. Please listen at your own discretion.In the second half of Liz's story, we talk about the random cause and effect that lead to her ending her Herbalife business, her time as a Young Living "kitnapper" and our common experiences in the beauty industry.Show NotesStudents Defrauded by Marinello Schools of Beauty Obtain Belated Discharges After...2021-04-1954 min
Life After MLMEpisode 21: Liz Arias - Part 1When MLM found Liz, she was looking to up her game on the roller derby circuit. One of her derby friends reached out with a solution that answered of her problems, or so it seemed. Liz decided to go "all in" after a roller derby injury resulted in her losing her job as a cocktail waitress at a local casino. In this episode, we get deep into what it's like to sell Herbalife, what's the deal with those "Nutrition Shops", Betting on Zero and what happened to the latino population in Los Angeles during that time, and a professional's o...2021-04-1955 min
Life After MLMEpisode 20: Josie Naikoi - The BITE Model - Part 2Josie and I finish up the BITE Model in part 2, diving into the Informational and Emotional control of commercial cults. Afterwards we discuss the DSA and politics in MLM, an inside perspective into those "free" perks, the culture and dynamics of the top of the pyramid, and a little personal chat and look into our lives outside of our Anti MLM advocacy efforts.Show NotesSteven Hassan's BITE Model - https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/DC Talk - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_TalkBruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic...2021-04-1558 min
Life After MLMEpisode 19: Josie Naikoi - The BITE Model - Part 1You asked, and we answered! In this bonus episode, I talk to AntiMLM Advocate, "Not the Good Girl", Josie Naikoi about her time in MLM as the Top 1%, and our favorite topic to ramble on about, the BITE model.Show NotesNot the Good Girl - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DMThX0F-h6F1nzCbp6shw/featuredCombatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan - https://amzn.to/3uLhYco"Because of Deanne" - https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/becauseofdeanne/TikTok Hun - https://www.tiktok.com/@danascentedlifestyle...2021-04-141h 02
Life After MLMEpisode 18: Russ Nielsen - Part 2As if his story in part one couldn't get any weirder, in part two Russ tells us about his experience of heading to a big ACN convention where Donald Trump, star of The Apprentice, would be speaking at. He recounts his trip, including fudge inspired doowop, and odd encounter with an employee in the lobby of McDonalds. We get deep into the celebrity and political affiliations with ACN, how men are targeted by MLMs, and getting out of the MLM Complex.Show NotesExperience the excitement of ACN events! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v...2021-04-121h 18
Life After MLMEpisode 17: Russ Nielsen - Part 1In this episode, we get to meet our very first "BroBot", Russ Nielsen, who had an incredibly unbelievable experience in a serviced based MLM. In an effort to keep Russ motivated and "all in" with their scam, his upline kept pushing attending big events, even when he couldn't afford to go. Even with the strange and abusive treatment he received, the dopamine fueled parties kept Russ on the hook, right up until the sunk cost fallacy kicked in when he went to Baltimore to hear Donald Trump speak.Show NotesACN Opportunity - https://www...2021-04-111h 19
Life After MLMEpisode 16: Robert L. FitzPatrick - Anatomy of a Pyramid Scheme - Part 2In part 2, Robert and I finish up our analysis into the differences between MLMs and Pyramid Schemes, answer some questions from our listeners, discuss what the future of the Anti-MLM movement looks like and how to achieve the cohesive message that we both believe will change the future of how people view and understand Multi Level Marketing on a fundamental level.Show Notes:Ponzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3tWutRSFalse Profits: Seeking Financial and Spiritual Deliverance in Multi-Level Marketing and Pyramid Schemes - https://amzn.to/3wr4Yu72021-04-081h 11
Life After MLMEpisode 15: Robert L. FitzPatrick - Anatomy of a Pyramid Scheme - Part 1This is the bonus episode I have been waiting to record forever! I always enjoy all my conversations with Robert, because he's so knowledgeable on this subject and we have a great time talking about swindles, scams, tricks and flimflams. After I finished reading Ponzinomics, I immediately emailed Robert and asked him if he would be willing to talk with me on the podcast about his chapter "Anatomy of a Pyramid Scheme", so we can really define what differences there are between Pyramid Schemes and Multi Level Marketing. I think you know where this is going...Show...2021-04-071h 18
Life After MLMEpisode 11: Lynzee Abel - Part 1Lynzee Abel was a wide eyed, optimistic person who just wanted more for her life when she was first introduced to Multi Level Marketing in her teens. With her professional retail experience, she thought she could have an edge in the competitive industry. Once she saw the way MLMs worked from the inside, after being involved in FIVE of them, she decided enough was enough. Show NotesMy favorite AntiMLM Wax Melt alternative (And it's the family owned business of AntiMLM Advocate Jessica James, of The Persuasion Pitch Podcast!) - https://windermerecandleco.com/B...2021-03-281h 17
Life After MLMEpisode 10: Ryan McKnight - Mormonism and Multi-Level Marketing Part 2After tackling topics like cultural moray, the role of women in the LDS faith, and why Utah is rife with MLM's in part one, Ryan and I dive into "Big Pyramid", Mitt Romney's connections to MLM, the affinity fraud of Tahitian Noni Juice, the obsession of outrageous health claims and essential oils from a religious standpoint, and where your tithing really goes. This is Part 2.Show Notes:Truth and Transparency - https://www.truthandtransparency.org/How much do top Mormon leaders make? Leaked pay stubs may surprise you. - https://archive.sltrib.com...2021-03-251h 10
Life After MLMEpisode 9: Ryan McKnight - Mormonism and Multi-Level Marketing Part 1As the founder of Truth and Transparency, and a former member of the Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints, Ryan McKnight has a unique perspective into the culture and atmosphere of the Mormon faith. Paired with his understanding of Multi Level Marketing and the scam it perpetuates, Ryan and I have an in depth discussion into some of the reasons why many LDS members fall victims to these cons, including cultural moray, gender roles within the church, "Magic Underwear", why MLM chose Utah and affinity fraud. This is part one.Show Notes...2021-03-241h 13
Life After MLMEpisode 6: Cat Dean - Part 1After wanting to take responsibility for her finances, and become financially literate, Cat Dean realized her MLM was hemorrhaging her cash flow. Armed with this new knowledge, she decided to learn how to manage debt, become "financially free" without the cult of MLM, and help others leaving these businesses with their long term money goals as well. Stay tuned for Part 2!Show Notes:Follow Cat on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/debtfreewithcattitude/Follow Cat on TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@lifewithcattitudeBook Cat's Services - https://go.oncehub.com...2021-03-141h 05
Life After MLMEpisode 5: Haley O'Bryan - MLM & Mental HealthIn our very first bonus episode, we talk with Haley O'Bryan, a therapist with a masters in counseling, a wide range of interest in social justic topics, and who did her masters theis on "Counseling Considerations for Clients with Experience in Multi-Level Marketing Companies and Similar Groups". Haley offers valuable insight into the harmful culture of MLM, the issues that come along with joining them and the importance of finding supportive treatment when leaving these cults.Show Notes!Follow Haley on Instagram! - https://www.instagram.com/counselorhaley/Haley's Masters Thesis; "Counseling Considerations...2021-03-101h 37
Life After MLMEpiosde 4: Katie Kastner - Part 2In our 4th episode of Life After MLM, we finish Katie's story about her time in LuLaRoe. She walks us though her refund process, the 100% buyback drama, the deep feelings of guilt she experienced when leaving MLM and the resulting mental health journey she had to take to find herself again. In Katie's speaking out, she finds the cathartic release and the resulting validation when people begin to respond to her shared experience.Show Notes:Check out our Instagram feed @lifeaftermlmpodcast for Katie's Show Notes post to see all the pictures and things we talk...2021-03-071h 01
Life After MLMEpisode 1: Roberta Blevins - Life After MLMIn our very first episode of Life After MLM, I share my own story in Multi Level Marketing, the rise and fall of LuLaRoe from an inside perspective, and what's next for the Anti-MLM Movement.Show NotesPonzinomics by Robert L. FitzPatrick - https://amzn.to/3tWutRSHow can you help?Report false income and health claims here: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/Or go to: https://www.truthinadvertising.org You can also report to your state Attorney General's office! https://www.naag.org/find-my-ag/Not i...2021-02-141h 00