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Where is the LineWhere is the LineSupplements: Science or Scam?With so much misinformation floating around online, it's time to separate fact from fiction when it comes to supplements, vitamins, and probiotics. Are they really necessary? Which ones actually work? And how much of the booming supplement industry is just clever marketing? In this episode, we’re thrilled to welcome Laura Gearman, a Clinical Dietitian and Nutrition Manager, to help us break it all down. Laura has extensive experience in the field of nutrition, from working with critically ill patients to optimizing everyday health through evidence-based practices. We’ll cover: ✅ The most common supplements—which ar...2025-02-0548 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineDating in 2025 - navigating swiping & hookup cultureDating today can feel like a minefield—commitment seems elusive, and swiping through endless options can leave you drained. In this episode of Where Is the Line, we dive deep into the modern dating landscape with Emily Becker, who shares her personal experiences, crazy dating stories, and insights on navigating this complex world. We explore: What hookup culture looks like today and why it's so prevalent. The impact of societal shifts, like financial independence, technology, and globalization, on relationships. How to remain hopeful and put yourself out there, even when dating feels overwhelming. The role of da...2025-01-2247 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineLife After Layoffs: Lessons On Career, Ego & ResilienceOn this deeply personal episode, we tackle a topic that’s often brushed under the rug: job loss. Inspired by the incredible listener response to Episode 13 on career vs identity, we decided it was time to share our own stories of being laid off—and everything that came with it. We dive into the raw emotions, from shock and denial to acceptance and rebuilding, and explore how layoffs challenge our sense of self, our ego, and societal expectations around work and success. What happens when your identity feels tied to your job? How do you reset and rede...2025-01-0852 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineSolo by Choice: A Single Mom's Journey to ParenthoodIn this episode of Where is the Line, we sit down with Nicci Bosco, a single mom by choice to explore her remarkable journey into solo parenthood. From the early desire to have children to navigating fears, societal stigma, and the practicalities of sperm donors and IVF, she opens up about the highs and lows of motherhood on her own terms. We dive into questions like: What drove her decision to go it alone—biological clock or self-determination? How did she navigate the process of becoming a solo parent, and what surprised her the most? What sa...2024-12-111h 05Where is the LineWhere is the LineFreelance (1099) vs working full-time (W2)In this episode we dive deep with former IBM executive Ed Brill who traded corporate security for the freedom of freelancing. We explore the challenges and rewards of moving from a W2 to being on a 1099, including financial implications, work-life balance, the concept of permission, and the emotional journey of leaving a prestigious title.  Did you know in the US, the number of freelancers has been steadily rising - in 2023, there were 73.3 MM, and projected to make up more than 50% of the workforce by 2027 if trends continue. Discover insights on navigating the gig economy, building res...2024-11-2557 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineStrength Through Vulnerability in MenWell, if this Election taught us anything is that our nation is more divided than ever. This week we are bringing to you a topic that doesn't get talked about enough and we hope it will connect people in these trying times.  We have the great pleasure of sitting down with Kevin Cao, who opens up about mental health in men, and addresses the stigmas associated with male vulnerability and how they can be detrimental. From the importance of men becoming more in tune with their emotions, to the pressure to conform to societal expectations, redefining what it...2024-11-0741 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineWeight Loss Facts and FadsLosing weight and dieting are sensitive topics for so many of us! Today we are getting into all things functional nutrition, gut health, weight loss, diet culture, fads, … what solutions are actually sustainable? We are honored to have an actual specialist with us, Katie Strack, Registered Dietitian Nutritionist (MS, RDN, IFNCP) to help unpack it all! What shines through in the episode, Katie is incredibly passionate about helping others reach their health goals and will seek the root causes of her patient's symptoms and use nutrition to support the gut healing process. Shifting one's lifestyle to a he...2024-10-2356 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineWelcome back - Season 4 OpenerWelcome back to "Where is the Line" Season 4, where we continue to explore the grey areas of life! We are back with a new season filled with spicy topics, more exciting guests and another level of vulnerability, candor and authenticity!  Join us as we cover:  Spooky Season is upon us so we are kicking things off with: Jane & Sabrina's take on Halloween Candy - favorites and least favorites What are we excited for this season & a sneak peek into the topics  An update on our goals we set in the beginning of 2024 when we started Season 3 We e...2024-10-1637 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineSeason 3 Finale - Silly Topic DebatesWhere is the Line: Season 3 Finale - how are we here already? After so many incredibly intimate & informative conversations with phenomenal guests, we thought to close out with some silly topic debates - tune into 30 mins of “would you rather” and other rapid fire questions - you’ll definitely get to know your hosts a little bit more :D We had so much fun with this one, we hope you enjoy! Here is a sneak peek: Would you rather never get angry or never be envious? Would you rather know t...2024-07-1034 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineIVF - Navigating the Highs and Lows of the JourneyDid you know that ~1 in 5 couples struggle with infertility? IVF treatments are slowly becoming more accessible but what all does it entail and what can you expect? Our guest Sarah Freese Zigman has gone through quite the rollercoaster of a journey and is here to share it all, from the ups and downs of the process to a happy ending of welcoming their beautiful son Wyatt.   Email us at: whereisthelinepod@gmail.com Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://youtube.com/@WhereistheLine-wj2zk?si=8YGnU_RN7UJBqH8K Pl...2024-06-2658 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineLeap of Faith: The Secrets to Successful Career PivotsCareer pivots - they can be daunting! Have you ever contemplated switching careers, or joining a new industry? Not sure where to begin?  We have the utmost pleasure to sit down with Katie Seeger, former Olympic bobsledder (‼️‼️) who made the transition from athlete at the highest level to Make-A-Wish Coordinator to now Sr. Program Manager at LinkedIn. We learn from Katie on how she navigated this bold transition, the importance of mapping your values to a new opportunity, leaning on your network, identifying transferable skills, going with your gut and how to redefine success in a job that may n...2024-06-1247 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineWhen Love Hurts: Untangling Toxic RelationshipsHave you ever felt trapped in a relationship that’s more harm than harmony? Toxic relationships sadly occur way too often but how do you know you’re in one and when is it time to leave? How do you separate love bombing from more "normal" signs of affection? How to differentiate between toxicity and the normal ups and downs of any relationship? Can a toxic relationship be transformed into a healthy one?  This week our beautiful friend Anna Badursk shares for the first time publicly about her experience with toxic relationships, how to overcome the e...2024-05-2947 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineWellness Realities: Debunking Myths, Sharing HacksWellness - a hot buzzword but where is the line? We are getting into it solo this week by unpacking myths vs hacks surrounding wellness: what is healthy vs when does wellness turn into suffering how to set habits that actually stick and the concept of temptation bundling how to turn losses into perspective how to live a life with no regrets This episode is inspired by Liz Moody's best selling book - 100 ways to change your life: the science of leveling up health, happiness, relationships & success. There will also be a book giveaway of Liz's book 🙌🏻🎁💝 - Follow @wh...2024-05-1550 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineToxic Work environments - when lines are being crossedHave you ever been part of a toxic work environment? It can happen more often than we think! Toxicity comes on a spectrum and it doesn't always have to be extreme. How do you recognize toxic behaviors and what is the opportunity cost? When is it time to leave? In this episode we have the honor to hear from product leader, startup advisor and career coach Kristin Chen, who has over a decade of experiencing leading, scaling and product teams at both tech unicorns and startups. Kristin opens up on how she navigated these rather t...2024-05-011h 00Where is the LineWhere is the LineNew Mom, wife, friend, businesswoman: how to juggle it all without losing yourselfBeing a mom, wife, business woman, friend, caring daughter & sister: how to juggle it all without losing yourself? How to navigate the feelings of external judgment and not being enough? How to have productive conversations with your partner when you don't have a lot of energy left?  How to cultivate friendships and let go of what no longer serves you? We have the pleasure to dive in with Arya Ramesh (@arya_ram15 on IG) on how she does it all! This episode is for any parent and all aspiring to be one day! 💗   2024-04-1747 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineAyahuasca - a hoax or actually effective?Ayahuasca - a hoax or actually effective? Is it just another psychedelic? Despite drawing some controversy, Ayahuasca has been used by indigenous people for centuries to help treat depression, PTSD, anxiety, addiction… but what is it exactly and what to expect… if you’ve ever been curious, this episode will blow your mind!  We have the pleasure to sit down with Natacha Martin (@retro_motion), who recently participated in ayahuasca in the Brazilian Amazon and shared with us one of the most transformative experiences of her life, while also debunking a lot of the myths for us.2024-04-0358 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineThe Return-to-Office Debate: Mandates vs. meeting employees where they areThe Return-to-office debate is real! While some employers continue to provide flexibility post-pandemic, others impose stringent mandates without meeting employees where they are. Today we sit down with Joie Karcher, CEO, business owner and over 20 years of experience in Big Tech who advises on how to best navigate the post-COVID working world. We touch on: The role of purpose in RTO conversations - challenging employers on the why behind certain mandates / policies --> is there evidence for in-office being correlated with greater productivity?  How to be an advocate for yourself and have m...2024-03-2057 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineWhen Therapy is Not EnoughThis week we are talking all things mental health! How can one differentiate between burnout vs just “a bad week”? What if therapy alone isn’t effective enough and you continue to battle a feeling of anxiety & depression?  We are so honored to have the beautiful Katherine Morse Wiora (Kat) with us to share for the first time publicly about her incredibly personal story of joining an out-patient program and how it represented a pivotal part to healing.  From breaking down the structure of the program, to laying out key benefits and downsides, her bigg...2024-03-061h 04Where is the LineWhere is the LineBoundaries vs. Control in Dating & RelationshipsThis week we are talking all things relationships and dating with two phenomenal guests, who don't hold back - you do not want to miss Paige McKibbon and Ben Mezzenga!  Where is the line between healthy boundaries and control?  We are thrilled to have both the male AND the female perspective in one joint (virtual) setting for the first time in the pod's history, discussing topics like: being friends with exes while in a relationship, social media etiquette, going through your partner's phone, finances, a partner showing lack of ambition, family ties ... and more!  W...2024-02-211h 18Where is the LineWhere is the LineWelcome back - Season 3 OpenerWelcome back to "Where is the Line" Season 3, where we continue to explore the grey areas of life! We are back with a new season filled with spicy topics, more exciting guests AND you can now watch on YouTube! In the opener, the two co-hosts Jane Liu and Sabrina Fruehauf hope our audience can get to know us a bit better with a bit of fun:  What's In & Out for us in 2024 In lieu of new years resolutions, what are 5 skills we hope to learn in 2024 3 Nonprofits we are donating to in 2024 https://www.stjude.org/  ht...2024-02-1452 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineSeason 2 Close - Am I the AholeWhere is the Line: Season 2 Finale - are you ready?  After so many incredibly intimate & informative conversations with phenomenal guests, we thought to close out on a funny, silly note - tune in to our own version of Reddit’s “Am I the Ahole”, where we give our take on four spicy scenarios and how we would approach it...  We had so much fun with this one, we hope you enjoy! Here is a sneak peek into the topics we cover - am I the Ahole for... Setting boundaries with an old boss who cont...2023-12-1346 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineEthical AI - Navigating the Boundaries of TechnologyAI & Ethics - Where is the Line? When should we be concerned?  We are honored to sit down with Software Engineer Maung Aung who is extremely knowledgeable in the space and doesn’t hold back in unpacking the ethical dimensions of artificial intelligence; from the ‘reasoning’ gap to critical issues of privacy and control, to bias in AI, Maung covers it all, including the benefits as well as limitations of AI. Isn't AI just another form of creative destruction and the more we (carefully and critically) embrace it our society will benefit? Tune in to f...2023-11-2955 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineBuilding effective leadership in a remote settingManaging in a remote world- how to build effective leadership virtually. We are thrilled to have engineering manager Dmitrii Pokhil with us who is working on an incredibly inspiring mission, to help end the organ transplant waiting list. Dmitrii shares openly about his journey as a manager, how to create a culture of trust and transparency, and owning up to sometimes not getting it right. He shares more around key attributes that set apart high performers and we close the conversation with advice for individual contributors on how to be successful in this remote environment. ...2023-11-1539 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineEmpty Nesters: how to navigate this new dynamic with our parents?Are your parents empty nesters? How do you navigate the changing relationship with them? How can you redefine the parent-child dynamic in a healthy way? And what is empty nester syndrome really?  Join us for an exciting conversation with Matthew Newton on how to manage this new dynamic, how to set boundaries and the importance of finding dual purpose outside of parenting. We hope you enjoy and as always, let us know your experience in the comments! Any advice or tips on how you've help your parents through this chapter, we would love to he...2023-11-0149 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineYou are more than your job - Career vs. IdentityYour job vs. your identity - we spend 1/3 of our lives at work yet it is important to remember that we are not our jobs.  Today we hope to inspire you to take a closer look at who you are outside of your career.  There is no better person than Shaliza Kassam who shares openly about her journey after getting laid off and how that marked a pivotal turning point to rediscover herself and find new sources of happiness.  We hope you enjoy and as always, let us know your experience in the comments! Any adv...2023-10-1855 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineFinding Joy in SolitudeJane and Sabrina are flying solo today! Join us for an intimate conversation about the fine line between “being alone” and “feeling lonely”. How is it that sometimes you can physically be surrounded by others yet feel lonely? And vice versa, how to find joy in solitude? As humans we naturally crave connection with others but how can we improve the relationship that matters most, with ourselves? We examine the importance of not losing one's identity when in a relationship, by growing as a couple as well as growing individually, and discuss how energy is finite...2023-10-0448 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineEmployee vs. Entrepreneur as a path to Financial IndependenceFinancial Independence- isn’t that the dream? How can you achieve financial freedom without the anxiety around passive income. We are extremely honored to sit down with LaSean Smith, active solo-preneur, private equity investor, patent holder, and former big tech executive, who is committed to helping people unlock more freedom and accelerate their path to financial independence. There truly couldn't be a more suited person to speak on this subject- LaSean is a fountain of knowledge and Jane and I left this conversation incredibly inspired.  LaSean shares how to play the long game and the impo...2023-09-2057 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineNavigating the Renting vs. Owning DilemmaThis week we are getting into all things real estate. We are honored to sit down with real estate agent Nitasha Kassam, a true expert in the space. Nitasha joined the Crystal Tran Team of Chicago in 2017. She is known for her customer relation and passion for helping people which is what makes her an outstanding agent. Her team was recently recognized in Chicago’s list of 2023 ‘Who’s Who of Chicago Real Estate.’  Nitasha breaks down how to navigate this crazy housing market, and all the factors that go into the decision tree of whether to rent or ow...2023-09-131h 10Where is the LineWhere is the LineReligion vs. Faith: Spirituality outside of ChurchWe are back with our first official guest of Season 2: the wonderful Ellie Rosenbaum, talking about a rather controversial subject, religion vs. faith - how to rediscover spirituality outside of church.  Ellie shares quite vulnerably about her own journey, from being raised catholic to finding connection to god outside of church. She touches on the feeling of exclusivity while getting "prayed over" in Religious Ed, to experiencing the feeling of disillusionment.  Ellie highlights how one can have connection to God outside of Church and the value of community & faith aside from a formal institution.  We...2023-08-3058 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineWelcome back - Season 2 OpenerWelcome back to "Where is the Line" Season 2, where we continue to explore the grey areas of life! We are back with a new season filled with juicy topics and more exciting guests. In the opener, the two co-hosts Jane Liu and Sabrina Fruehauf share key reflections on Season 1, what have been the hardest and easiest parts and shed light on some of the focus areas moving forward as well as our plan for scale.  This episode is primarily a tribute to our listeners as we thank each and everyone of you for your continued s...2023-08-2313 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineSetting Boundaries with FriendsFor our season finale, we are flying solo! We are diving deep into the topic of boundaries... and specifically setting boundaries with friends! How to learn to take the ego out of situations, how to practice more empathy and compassion with oneself as well as the other person and as always, we end on tactics anyone can apply to become more confident and comfortable with boundaries and learn to stay in your truth even if the other person's reaction is not the one you want. This is a juicy one!  We cannot believe this already w...2023-05-0333 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineHow to give feedback to your managerIn today's episode, we have with us our dear friend, queen of finding your true passion and people advocate Kristy Wojnicki.  Kristy has extensive experience in managing customer-facing teams, partnering with global & small businesses, launching new products in start-up and mature environments and she was also one of our favorite managers. We couldn't think of a more suited person to discuss this critical (yet sometimes uncomfortable) topic of how to give feedback to your manager. We know that feedback is a gift but how do you get more comfortable providing feedback to a superior?  Kristy di...2023-04-1938 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineFinding your Authentic Self on Social MediaIn today's episode, we have with us none other than Queen Brittany (@Lovebstyle) to discuss all things social media and how to remain true to your authentic self online. Brittany is an absolute style babe, influencer, fashion lover, working mom and wife - she does it all! As an influencer, we are so lucky to have her share more about finding the balance in this crazy social media world we live in, how to maintain one's integrity around brand sponsorships without getting distracted by the next shiny object, how to set boundaries with your audience and B...2023-04-0533 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineCaregiving - where to begin?Did you know the share of the global population aged >60 will double by 2050 and population aging is poised to become one of the most significant social transformations of the 21st century? In today's episode, we examine a topic that is not talked about enough though represents one that will hit all of us sooner rather than later: Caregiving We have the wonderful Shannon Gaydos with us, global talent strategist, author of "The 2030 papers", speaker and founder of CaringUpfamily.com, who will share reflections and guidance on caring for parents, grandparents and older loved ones, based...2023-03-2246 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineFinancial Responsibilities - Balance between Saving Money and Living LifeIn today's episode, we are talking all things money and finances with none other than the extremely knowledgeable financial coach Lesley Ihionkhan.  Lesley is an expert in this field, and aside from a busy day job as a Product Manager and MBA Student, she’s also the founder and executive director of Common Wealth Coaching, a service that empowers young professionals with confidence and tools to build generational wealth and financial freedom.  We cover the fine balance between investing, saving, while still living a happy & fulfilled life aligned to your main priorities. You will hear tacti...2023-03-0848 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineSelf-Healing after a BreakupIn today's episode, we have the beautiful Samantha (Sam) Schafer with us, as we dive into the topic of healing after a break-up, i.e. is there such a thing as "the right time" to get back out there?  How can you start falling in love with the process vs obsessing over the end goal and take the time to figure out what you want by reflecting on why the other relationship didn't work out. How to learn to accept any emotion that may come up, vs. push them away? How to own your part w...2023-02-2239 minWhere is the LineWhere is the LineWelcome to "Where is the Line"Welcome to "Where is the Line", a podcast where we explore the grey areas of life. In this episode, meet the two co-hosts Jane Liu and Sabrina Fruehauf, gain a sneak peek into the topics covered in season 1 and learn about how this whole podcast even came to be. We conclude by sharing how people can interact with us: Email us at whereisthelinepod@gmail.com IG: @whereisthelinepod Twitter: @whereistheline2023-02-1503 min