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Struggling OptimistsBeyond the GalaHey guys, we know this is a little late, here us out this file had an audio issue BUT LUCKILY we were able to retrieve it. We worked really hard on this episode, surprisingly it is not about the dresses! We do a deep dive, behind the met gala and elitist beginnings, the BLM protest happening on outside, Cara Delevinge and the problematic entire, AOC and hints of white privilege, Nicki Minhaj and vaccines, Kim K's entire and American culture, Frank Ocean and Green baby, lastly but not least Tiktokers attending the event. Tune, please actually tune in, we...
2021-10-2050 min
Struggling Optimistsgrime's works harder than elon's publicistThis week, we end talking about Grime's and her role as Elon's publicist/girlfriend - if you must know this conversation was triggered by a TikTok that Grime's posted that did the opposite of what she intended it to do. Nevertheless, we discuss and dissect a 60-second video, look at her former Wattpad-main-character-moment-like tweets between her and Elon and look into her interesting past. While we attempt to give you a rundown about Grime's life, we also look into questionable things Elon has got going on as well. Tune in this week, for us to yet again to let...
2021-09-1624 min
Struggling Optimistsdrake belongs to the gardiner expressHey guys, welcome back to another episode! This week we tackle one of our favorite, and funniest, celebrity beef: Drake vs. Kanye. I think we’re all aware of Kanye’s iconic move of stealing the beat Drake wanted and making a joke of it. But this time, the feud gets a little more intense, and a lot funnier. From Kanye adding Drake to a group chat with Pusha T to him leaking Drake’s (already extremely public) address and then immediately deleting it after getting clowned; we cover it all. So sit back, relax, and join us we go ove...
2021-09-0928 min
Struggling Optimistscelebs with a with a weird vibeHey guys! The school term is starting back up for a lot of people so before school stress can suck up all of our free time we thought we’d make the most of our current pop culture obsession and share our opinions of a few celebrities and influencers. But since this is the Struggling Optimists podcast we added a fun twist to this episode and decided to share some celebrities and influencers who seem veryyy suspicious. Curious about which celebrities we would never trust with our drinks at the club? Or why we thing Harry Styles is...
2021-08-2640 min
Struggling OptimistsJames Charles and Sienna Mae's Return?On this episode for podcast week, we do what we love most - ranting about famous people that we find pretty problematic. Before I begin, we do want to place a trigger warning for this episode, because we do talk about sexual assault/abuse. In this episode, we first start off with Sienna Mae, who is a popular TikToker and discuss things that we found disturbing regarding the recent allegations regarding her and dissect her body positivity movement for you guys. Following a little sponsorship break - yes I know we are sorry, but we do need the money...
2021-08-0858 min
Struggling OptimistsA K-drama following-along episode with Esraa and Rukky (Something in the Rain ep. 11)Hey guys! Welcome back to another episode of Podcast Week! In this episode we wanted to try something new, so we’re going to be doing a K-drama follow-along episode, where Rukky and Esraa (the two k-drama lovers of the podcast) watch episode 11 of Something in the Rain in real-time and give their commentary. So if you’re looking for a k-drama buddy to watch an episode with or if you’re curious about why we hate this show so much, then tune in to this episode to hear all of our controversial opinions lmao. We discuss the show in the...
2021-08-071h 37
Struggling Optimistspost-pandemic social anxietyIn this podcast week episode, we dive into a little bit more of a serious topic that everyone around us is facing recently - post/mid pandemic anxiety. As the pandemic hopefully comes to an end, we both are realizing that we are coming out as different people and that within the past 2 years a lot of our social skills have changed. While we light-heartedly reflect on the changes we both have faced, we realize that the tolerance for small talk has gotten much lower, that catching up is really harder than we thought and we might actually enjoy...
2021-08-0542 min
Struggling Optimistsour own conspiracy theoriesAs podcast week continues - this episode, viewer discretion advised - we had this conversation while both of us were delirious because of no sleep, club, another club, no sleep...(jk it was nothing like that we just didn't sleep cuz one of us is a workholic and the other has no sleep schedule in place). I digress, but while we ran on almost no sleep and filmed this during an ungodly hour - we ask that you brace yourself for this content and if you are apart of the FBI or MIB please do not come for us...
2021-08-0428 min
Struggling OptimistsJess and Jayati are ICONICSooooo, did our audio files crash on Anchor? Yes, 100%. Did we cover that up by creating something called a podcast week? You would be absolutely on point with that one. But you know what, I digress, we need to discuss this unique episode which features Rukky and her more-ICONIC-than-Rukky-will-ever-be-in-Shafa's-humble-opinion besties Jess and Jayati. They were in a Korean BBQ restaurant on a rainy evening in Toronto and decided to press record (Is Shafa trying to ditch this podcast by getting Rukky to do every episode for the past couple of weeks? stay tune to figure that one out...
2021-08-0337 minStruggling OptimistsWhat is this Stockholm syndrome?So just going to warn you that this podcast episode has absolutely no flow - we honestly pressed record and hoped for the best. But join us this week as we go through some conspiracy theories and controversies regarding Billie Eilish, and we discuss the nuance surrounding them at 19. Honestly, it's tough being a celeb seems like a lot of work, let's be real you get canceled once and all your dirty laundry is out for the world to criticize! Also in honor of pride month (happy pride month you beautiful ppl), we discuss share our constructive criticism on...
2021-06-2331 min
Struggling OptimistsBrown Mental Health ft. Sameera KhalidHellloooo - we are back this week and we are ft. a very special guest Sameera Khalid. She is an amazing friend of ours, that made time to be on this podcast - so pleaseeeee listen to it. Okay besides that, Sameera has a degree in Neuroscience, works with a crisis line, and has constantly advocated for mental health - so if that doesn't make you think she is creditable - we don't know what will. But on the reals, this week we discuss the complexity surrounding brown (South Asian) mental health, the different approaches to mental health...
2021-06-151h 10
Struggling OptimistsWe back, we better and we are gucci or whatever?Soooooooo yeah, it has been a minute - we know, we know but come on, were you really expecting us to be consistent with OUR TRACK RECORD?! But okay hear us out, we got hit with final year uni syndrome, and it definitely was not a vibe. Whoever tells you that your final year of uni is about to be the best year of your life - IS LYING TO YOU - leave that bish on read and run fast as you can in the opposite direction. But on the reals, if you want to know where we have...
2021-06-0244 min
Struggling OptimistsWhat is going on in Palestine?Hey guys! Welcome back to the Struggling Optimist Podcast - we know, we know we haven't posted in a while now - but we promise we will let you know why and catch you guys up in the future. This week we really wanted to educate everyone with the ongoing issue in Palestine, and spread some knowledge and awareness to our users. We were lucky enough to have Esraa educate us about everything going on, and provide us with an ample amount of resources to help. All the resources would be found on our instagram: https://www.instagram.com...
2021-05-2755 minStruggling OptimistsJenan Mental Healthjbkabkjbsajdbsdbak
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2021-04-0935 minStruggling OptimistsMental Health Series: University Feedbackajbdjsbdjsbasdabdj
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2021-01-1907 min
Struggling OptimistsMental Health Series Trailer - Season 2Hey everyone, we’re beyond excited to finally share the Mental Health Series with you!! This has been in the works for a very long time, so we hope that we’re able to properly convey the sentiment behind it. The series started as a way to dissect the mental health of average, everyday twenty year olds (and one high school student lmao) and understand how different aspects of their life affect them. We wanted to be able to showcase how diverse mental health is for everyone and how, no matter how different or similar you may be from one...
2021-01-1202 min
Struggling OptimistsReflecting on 2020 and Goals for 2021Happy New Year everyone! Thank god 2020 is finally over; the systemic and capitalistic factors that created a lot of the major issues we faced in the year haven’t disappeared but the bad vibes are finally gone 🥰. Let’s hope that 2021 turns out to be a better year for all of us. We thought that for this episode it would be a good idea to reminisce on 2020 and talk about what we hope 2021 will bring us. Hope you enjoy this week’s episode!
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2021-01-0637 min
Struggling OptimistsLate Night Rants: Rukky Got Stuck in a CouchHey guys, we’re back with another this week! We decided to keep the casual conversations going while we reminisce on Rukky’s near death experience, how Shafa has no trust in Rukky for saving her in dangerous situations, Second-hand Stress Syndrome (aka being friends with Rukky), and whether we would have been friends in middle school/how we became friends in uni (i.e. that one New Girls episode we plagiarized). If you’re interested in any of these topics then be sure to check out this episode!
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2020-12-1648 minStruggling OptimistsADDSADASDASDADSADASDADSDA
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2020-12-091h 37
Struggling OptimistsLate Night Rants: Charli, Charles and TrishaHey guys, this week we’re talking about the James Charles, Trisha Paytas, Charlie D’Amelio, and Dixie D’Amelio scandal. That’s right, it’s another TikTok episode - we promise we’re not turning into a TikTok TMZ podcast (even though TikTok is pretty much the only thing Rukky keeps up with now). But we wanted to give you guys some context on how all of this started and then talk more in depth about the Dixie-Trisha parts of the controversy, and the deeper issues underlying it. So, tune in this week if you’re interested in hearing about 20 year...
2020-12-0200 min
Struggling OptimistsLet's Chat: Social Media AnxietyWe know we know, our upload schedule has been whack lately (we would like to apologize for that). BUT WE ARE BACK and will be for the next following weeks - so don't worry you will be getting our consistent mediocre content for a while. This week, we dive straight into Rukky hitting up Walmart and ultimately turning into the spectacle for all the staff and customers with her fresh I-just-experienced-a-mental-breakdown face. Right after, we jump into social media anxiety talking about how one of us, struggles to post a single picture without analyzing and critiquing it at least 50 times (ye...
2020-11-2500 min
Struggling OptimistsLet's Chat: Election EditionHey guys, this week we’re talking about the American elections, even though they’ve already concluded lmao. We figured it would align better with our brand if we did this fashionably late. Jkjk we pre-filmed this a while ago but haven’t been able to release it until now. For this episode, Shafs and I sit down to talk about our thoughts on the current election, cancel culture (we mention cancel culture a lot on our podcast so it’s no surprise we bring it up in politics as well lmao), how (traditional) Brown parents are basically GOP in disgu...
2020-11-1700 min
Struggling OptimistsLate Night Rants: Are we still friends and Rukky lost $1.3k?Hey guys, we’re back after our mini hiatus, which is code for: we’re finally done getting our asses handed to us by midterm season :) This week we thought we’d catch up on how our lives have been over the last two weeks. Just a nice, relaxing conversation about how Shafs and I had an (almost fatal) fallout and how I was the victim of identity theft <3. If anyone knows of a Mississauga mans that just suddenly got $1.3k richer lemme know, I just want to talk lmao. We also talk about the onslaught of Halloween partie...
2020-11-0300 min
Struggling OptimistsPodcasting Experience Next WeekHey guys, in order to commemorate our 6 months of podcasting (honestly, we're surprised we made it this far too) we thought we'd share the entire podcasting experience with you guys! Trust us, this definitely wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, it was more like sunshine mixed with a not-so-healthy dose of anxiety and caffeine. From the initial stages of planning where Shafs went full steam ahead finding us an RSS link (I'm still not entirely sure what it does) and I kept agreeing to everything thinking it was a joke (100% do not recommend the "say yes now, worry about the...
2020-10-2000 min
Struggling OptimistsLet's Chat: Website, Trump and Online Uni SucksHey guys, this week your favourite podcast duo is BACK :) "Let's Chat" is the new name for podcast episodes that consist of random conversations that Rukky and Shafa have while sipping coffee (which is the only substance that is preventing them from sounding monotone). This week, the iconic duo (note the sarcasm) reflects on the process of making episodes separately and how Rukky had an entire breakdown while editing her first podcast episode (let's be honest, this was expected). They discuss the release and behind-the-scene details of their new website and logo (strugglingoptimists.com) (which you should totally check...
2020-10-1300 min
Struggling OptimistsLate Night Rants with Jess and RukkyHey guys, we have an interesting episode lined up for this week. If you tuned in last week then you probably noticed that Shafa was hosting alone, so this week we’ve decided to have Rukky take a whirl at hosting by herself. For this special episode, we have a guest joining us - Rukky’s childhood friend, Jess!! This week we’d thought we’d do something a little more sporadic and chill, which is code for “Rukky forgot to plan ahead for the episode and had to wing it”. So if you’re interested in listening to our late-night...
2020-10-0600 minStruggling OptimistsThe Messy Side of GraduatingHey guys, this week's we thought it was only fitting to film an episode about graduating (even though school literally just started). We have an amazing GUEST (Esraa Altoum), who has just graduated with a double-major in computer science and psychology. This episode Shafa and Esraa, take a deep dive into the messier side of graduating tackling topics like the mental health after graduating, a possible identity crisis (bound to happen), post-grad paths, job-hunting, student loans and sharing tricks and tips with resumes. Also, they discuss and release some exciting news about an ongoing project for our podcast...
2020-09-2940 min
Struggling OptimistsDear College Kids We Have a Problem...Hey guys, we are introducing our MINI-EPISODE SERIES, where we jump on here and give you a 20 minute update about what's going in our lives and discuss social issues around us. This episode we discuss the 8K khan academy experience we are adjusting to for 2 weeks, our very SPICY opinions on COLLEGE PARTIES and its correlation to rising COVID cases (esp on our beloved campus), our favourite activist group - the anti-maskers (*note the sarcasm) and the hyped (maybe overhyped?) popeyes spicy chicken burger. Make sure you tune in and find out which one of us is...
2020-09-2224 min
Struggling OptimistsThe "Democracy Rukky" PhaseHey guys, we are BACK, from our semi-hiatus :) School has started but we are still reflecting on our quarantine blues and talking about how TikTok has effectively ruined Rukky's life. Small disclaimer this episode is not structured and we end up talking about various topics and memories - from Rukky's democracy days to how costar is being rude to both of us and how the paparazzi kind of freak us out (not that we have any lol). Make sure you tune in and hang-out with us while we clown each other and ask you guys to take personality...
2020-09-1539 min
Struggling OptimistsCuties and Bryce Hall: Trash or Even Bigger TrashHey guys, this week we wanted to relax and talk about some lighter topics so that we can give you a break from all the serious topics we’ve been covering so far. So, if you’re interested in hearing us clown TikTok f-boy Bryce Hall and his ridiculous mansion parties, how we feel about the upcoming Netflix show Cuties (spoiler: we hate it), or our opinion on WAP by Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion then be sure to listen to this episode. Also, don’t forget to wear your masks!! Make sure to sign the petition for Cuties...
2020-08-2537 min
Struggling OptimistsCece, Mindy and South Asian Rep in MediaHey guys, we wanted to build off of our Indian Matchmaking series and talk more about South Asian representation. So, this week we’re talking about South Asian representation in Western media, specifically in the shows “The Mindy Project” and “New Girl” (mostly because Rukky has seen a total of ten (10) shows in her entire life). We delve into the strengths and weaknesses of South Asian representation in the two shows. We cover topics of colorism, stigmas in Western media, white saviours, and how ethnicity/culture is sometimes used as a convenient tool to further plot points and then completely...
2020-08-1855 min
Struggling Optimists"Sima Taparia from Mumbai" Ep 2This week we’re discussing one of the hottest shows on Netflix right now: Indian Matchmaking. From Mumbai to America, we follow marriage consultant Sima Taparia as she helps participants find true love or at the very least, someone compatible enough to marry. As South Asians we felt it was only fair that we took an in-depth look into the show, so join us as we discuss our favourite and least favourite participants and talk about the show’s more controversial subtexts: sexism, colourism, classism, and casteism. Should we be directing criticism at Sima Auntie for engaging in subtly disc...
2020-08-1129 min
Struggling Optimists"Sima Taparia from Mumbai" Ep 1This week we’re discussing one of the hottest shows on Netflix right now: Indian Matchmaking. From Mumbai to America, we follow marriage consultant Sima Taparia as she helps participants find true love or at the very least, someone compatible enough to marry. As South Asians we felt it was only fair that we took an in-depth look into the show, so join us as we discuss our favourite and least favourite participants and talk about the show’s more controversial subtexts: sexism, colourism, classism, and casteism. Should we be directing criticism at Sima Auntie for engaging in subtly disc...
2020-08-1137 min
Struggling OptimistsDismantling Beauty StandardsHey guys, this week we’re continuing our Makeup Influencer series with our friend and longtime supporter, Aemen!! For this episode, we focus on Brown/South Asian beauty standards and navigating the Beauty and MUA worlds as a POC. So, if you’re interested in hearing about South Asian beauty standards, how we perceived beauty growing up, our thoughts on skin bleaching, and some of Aemen’s favourite Brown/POC MUAs then be sure to listen to this week’s episode! Also, be sure to follow Aemen on Instagram (@aeimti), we’ll have her socials linked in our Linktree as well. S...
2020-08-0438 min
Struggling Optimists"A Med Student That Loves MakeUp"Hey guys, this week we’re joined by a very special guest - our friend and longtime supporter of the podcast, Aemen!! We talk to Aemen about being a medical student and budding makeup artist and understand what it’s like to enter the Beauty World and build a brand for yourself. So, if you’re interested in understanding the Beauty World from the perspective of a growing MUA or curious about how to become an MUA yourself then be sure to check out this week’s episode! Also, be sure to follow Aemen on Instagram (@aeimti), we’ll have her s...
2020-07-2838 min
Struggling OptimistsWhat's Trending? Your Update on Twitter WavesHey guys, this week we’re going through some iconic trending Twitter moments! From Kanye running for President to Jada Smith’s entanglement with August, we’re covering it all! So, if you’re interested in hearing about why marriage lowkey sounds awful, how we’re coping with TikTok getting banned, or how I genuinely think I might be getting dumber over time then be sure to check out this week’s episode!
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2020-07-2334 min
Struggling OptimistsCollege Talks With Our Roommate Part 2Linktree: https://linktr.ee/strugglingoptimists
Hey guys, we’re continuing our roommate series from last week and chatting with our roommate Labiba! We’ve been living together for 3 - going on 4 - years and so we decided to take the time to reflect on our journey through undergrad and all of the embarrassing, dumb and heartfelt experiences that we’ve shared. If you listened to the first part of our roommate series then you should have a great understanding of how chaotic and utter messes we are as people. But don’t worry, it gets worse. So sit back, relax, and foll...
2020-07-1436 min
Struggling OptimistsCollege Talks With Our Roommate Part 1Linktree: https://linktr.ee/strugglingoptimists
Hey guys, we’re back with another episode. You guys really seemed to like the idea of making a college series so in this instalment we’re talking about our experience as roommates. This week we’re joined by a special guest, our roommate Labiba! We’ve been living together for 3 - going on 4 - years and so we decided to take the time to reflect on our journey through undergrad and all of the embarrassing, dumb and heartfelt experiences that we’ve shared. Unfortunately, we’re all equally chaotic so most of these ane...
2020-07-0735 min
Struggling OptimistsRating Our College ExperienceLinktree: https://linktr.ee/strugglingoptimists
Hey guys, this week we’re tackling our college experience. We rated each year of college in terms of our academic and social life and broke down some of our best and worst moments. So if you’re interested in hearing some helpful tips to get you through college or curious about how Rukky publicly embarrassed herself in front of 70 people, and possibly the entire Biology faculty, then tune in to this week’s episode!
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2020-06-3041 min
Struggling OptimistsThe 411 on Anonymous' TwitterLinktree: https://linktr.ee/strugglingoptimists
Hey guys, due to popular demand we’re talking about Anonymous’ Twitter account, more specifically, everything they’ve released about PizzaGate and the J.E. scandal. We talk about PizzaGate - where its name comes from, what it means, and why people are linking Justin Bieber to this conspiracy theory. We then dive deep into J.E. and important people from his Little Black Book including Trump, Bill Clinton, Prince Albert, and Naomi Campbell. We’re also introducing a new segment at the beginning of our episodes called 10 Minute Updates where we give brief updates on global topics; this week we mention the crisis in Yemen, updates on the BLM movement, and Trump’s Tulsa rally.
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2020-06-2551 min
Struggling OptimistsBlack Lives Matter Part 1Hey guys, we wanted to talk about the Black Lives Matter movement and pass on some information and resources so that you be more informed and learn of ways to help. The topic is broken up into several podcast episodes for timing purposes so this is part of 1 of the series. Let us know if there’s anything you want us to talk about, segments we should expand more on, or if there’s any information that we might’ve misinterpreted/been incorrect about. We’re trying to be as up to date on information as possible but we’re still l...
2020-06-1258 min
Struggling OptimistsBlack Lives Matter Part 2Hey guys, we wanted to talk about the Black Lives Matter movement and pass on some information and resources so that you be more informed and learn of ways to help. The topic is broken up into several podcast episodes for timing purposes so this is part of 1 of the series. Let us know if there’s anything you want us to talk about, segments we should expand more on, or if there’s any information that we might’ve misinterpreted/been incorrect about. We’re trying to be as up to date on information as possible but we’re still l...
2020-06-1243 min
Struggling OptimistsBlack Lives Matter Part 3Hey guys, we wanted to talk about the Black Lives Matter movement and pass on some information and resources so that you be more informed and learn of ways to help. The topic is broken up into several podcast episodes for timing purposes so this is part of 1 of the series. Let us know if there’s anything you want us to talk about, segments we should expand more on, or if there’s any information that we might’ve misinterpreted/been incorrect about. We’re trying to be as up to date on information as possible but we’re still l...
2020-06-1248 min
Struggling OptimistsOur thoughts on Lily Singh - Constructive Criticism?Hey guys! This week we’re talking about everyone’s favourite queer, a brown woman (or as she likes to put it, NOT a straight, white man), Lilly Singh! In case you haven’t heard, Lilly Singh’s late-night show “A Little Late With Lilly Singh” has just been renewed for a second season. So, we thought that it would be interesting to share our opinion as fellow Canadian brown women. We talk about how representation matters and how she’s helping the community, but also where she’s dropped the ball and how this could affect future opportunities for the very peo...
2020-06-0633 min
Struggling OptimistsWhat's Trending? - Your update on Twitter WavesHey guys! This week we’re taking a small breather from our regular content and catching up on what’s trending on social media. Quarantine has not been easy for a lot of people and celebrities are not excluded from that list. Join us as we share our thoughts on Elon Musk’s newborn’s name, Future’s (hilarious) tweets, Khloe Kardashian’s new look, Lana Del Rey, and #DojaCatIsOverParty. As always, we’re including an organization that you can donate to during this pandemic in case you’re looking for some way to help. This week’s organization is the Minnesota F...
2020-05-3041 min
Struggling OptimistsK-pop for Dummies Part 2Hey guys! This week we’re talking about the music that everyone and their mom is obsessed with; that’s right, this week is all about K-pop. What is K-pop? Is BTS the new One Direction - should that comparison even be made or will I get attacked by ARMYs on twitter? We’re diving deep into the world of K-pop and telling you guys all about the foundation for these groups. We explore work ethic, mini albums, fan chants, idol training, contracts, akgae fans, and fan culture as a whole. What is K-pop fan culture? And why is it so...
2020-05-2340 min
Struggling OptimistsK-pop for Dummies Part 1Hey guys! This week we’re talking about the music that everyone and their mom is obsessed with; that’s right, this week is all about K-pop. What is K-pop? Is BTS the new One Direction - should that comparison even be made or will I get attacked by ARMYs on twitter? We’re diving deep into the world of K-pop and telling you guys all about the foundation for these groups. We explore work ethic, mini albums, fan chants, idol training, contracts, akgae fans, and fan culture as a whole. What is K-pop fan culture? And why is it so...
2020-05-1733 min
Struggling OptimistsOur Tiktok obsession is real....Hey guys! This week we’re talking about TikTok. Is the app that everyone’s obsessed with as chill as we think it is or is there something more to it? As confirmed TikTokers™ we dive into the app, the Hype House, scandals that have left us wondering about the youth, and lawsuits concerning the privacy of its users. In true Shafs and Rukky fashion, we took the liberty of dragging some of TikTok’s most (in)famous users so be sure to tune in if you’re wondering who was on this week’s chopping block. This week’s foundation i...
2020-05-111h 03Struggling OptimistsHow is quarantine going?Join us as we talk about completing our 4th year of university online. Are teachers too strict in the midst of a pandemic? Should TAs have such different standards of marking? And are students in our Women’s Studies course underperforming or are we just missing the point of these assignments entirely? Hear about our life in quarantine and whether “glow up” and cancel culture has gone too far. Plus, we tease a future podcast episode and talk about our take on Kpop and the idolization and obsession of fans towards these singers. Also check out this amazing COVID-19 founda...
2020-05-0353 minStruggling OptimistsSeason 1 Trailer - SEE YOU SOON!Yoooooooo! We hope y'all are doing well and staying safe. We wanted to hit you guys with a trailer talking about what you will be hearing in the upcoming weeks before releasing an episode (which will be coming soon!). Unfortunately, only one of us is talking (Rukky) but catch us both talking about how we are handling quarantine on the next one :)
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2020-04-3001 min