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CXMH: On Faith & Mental HealthRecast - Seeing the Sacred in Ourselves & Each Other (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)It’s book launch day for Holly’s brand new book The Soul of The Helper! To celebrate, we’re releasing the interview we did where Robert interviews Holly about it. In a really special intro, Robert’s copy of the book gets delivered (seriously) and Holly reads the Intention from the book for our listeners. (There’s a lot of Robert’s dog Nox in this intro.)Original Show Notes:This week is a special episode of CXMH! Robert interviews our very own Dr. Holly Oxhandler about the ideas in her upcoming boo...
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CXMH: On Faith & Mental Health143 - Seeing the Sacred in Ourselves & Each Other (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)This week is a special episode of CXMH! Robert interviews our very own Dr. Holly Oxhandler about the ideas in her upcoming book, The Soul of The Helper. Holly teaches us about her Namaste Theory, how we can see the sacred within ourselves, and why that’s critical for anyone that is serving others in some capacity.Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- If you preoder Holly’s book, get your free giveaways here!- CXMH ep. 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr...
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The Desire LineThe Naming the Real Podcast: What is Happening Here?From your favorite one-time pastor/podcast host (of a podcast hosted by a pastor and a therapist), comes a new offering: The Naming the Real Podcast. This is another preview episode of this new podcast, which you can find and subscribe to at Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. But wait...there's more! Be excited, because new content is coming from Susette right here in the Desire Line Podcast feed very soon!
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The Desire LineThe Naming the Real Podcast: Are You Happy Now?From your favorite one-time pastor/podcast host (of a podcast hosted by a pastor and a therapist), comes a new offering: The Naming the Real Podcast. Because--as you may remember--the right naming of things is the beginning of wisdom. Enjoy this episode from Brandon's new podcast, and then come join the party by subscribing. You can find it at Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And...look out for new (amazing) content coming from Susette, right here in the Desire Line podcast feed!
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The Desire Line72 | Until We Meet AgainBrandon and Susette announce, The Desire Line Podcast is coming to an end. In this final episode they reminisce over their favorite memories from the past 3 years and recognize the wonderful content produced and relationships formed because of it. Susette and Brandon have exciting projects coming up; to stay up to date on them follow their social media channels. Until we meet again, may we all have the courage to walk the desire line...
2020-10-0541 minThe Desire LineSocial Distancing, CoronaVirus, and Coping with AnxietyWe jumped on mic for a bit for a raw episode talking about the CoronaVirus, Social Distancing, and how we're coping with this change. Brandon identified the difference between Resistance and Acceptance, and aligned it with the normal emotional process of first fighting & resisting change and things we can't control, and the freedom that comes from accepting reality and leaning in. Susette walked us through the serenity prayer & the 12 steps, which is a character development process that we all can use. Especially Susette =) I hope you enjoy this off-the-cuff episode. We care about you...
2020-03-2143 minThe Desire Line70 | Flourishing Beyond Abuse Part 2We are finishing our arc on abuse and discussion on recovery from abuse. Susette and Brandon bring up how family of origin affect abuse experiences, common phrases they hear that dismiss abuse, and the importance of creating boundaries on the path to forgiveness. There is no limit to how much we can thrive and flourish. Coping skills created from family of origin: the good and the bad. Functioning in the midst of dysfunction. Not judging and not comparing Common phrases that minimizes and ignores a victim's pain. Before forgiveness c...
2020-03-0938 minThe Desire Line69 | Flourishing Beyond Abuse Part 1Susette and Brandon wrap up our arc on abuse by talking about recovery and how we can flourish, thrive and triumph in the face of our trauma. In this episode Susette shares experiences in which her body and mind show in a miraculous way how they are intertwined and Brandon calls us to live in compassion, not comparison, for ourselves and others who are in trauma. Recognizing and naming abuse. Triggers How the body reacts to triggers of abuse: reclaiming the value of the body Disassociation The importance of...
2020-03-0229 minThe Desire Line68 | Forgiving Reality | Mental Health and the ChurchLast episode we continued our discussion on spiritual abuse. This week Brandon Cook shares a sermon he gave titled Forgiving Reality. In light of our arc on abuse we have explored the place forgiveness has on our path to healing from our trauma. Brandon takes the discussion a step further by suggesting that we have the choice to also forgive reality and the difficult circumstances and truths it brings.
2020-02-2441 minThe Desire Line67 | Spiritual Abuse Part 2 | Mental Health and the ChurchJoin us as we continue our conversation on spiritual abuse as we strive for differentiation and being well informed to identify health church relationships. "Spiritual Abuse is when someone use their spiritual authority or manipulates your natural spiritual longings to have power over you..." Brandon Cook. Power can come from hierarchy and position such as created by the influence of the business model and the church. We can decide what kind of power your pastor has. "And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and...
2020-02-1719 minThe Desire Line66 | Spiritual Abuse | Mental Health and the ChurchSusette and Brandon explore the topic of spiritual abuse. They recognize that leaders who have authority of the spiritual lives of others have a great impact however a powerful ability to hurt those they lead. They call us to view our pastors and other spiritual leaders in appropriate roles. As well as pointing out to leaders some of their followers may project their God, paternal, or maternal images onto them. Although the person of authority has responsibility to refrain from abusing their power we all have the ability to sustain healthy boundaries in these relationships. Sp...
2020-02-1022 minThe Desire Line65 | Emotional Abuse | Mental Health and the ChurchSusette and Brandon discuss what qualifies as emotional abuse and what does not. Although it is difficult to identify emotional abuse, they outline language and tools to help us be aware of the possible unhealthy power dynamics of relationships. "Emotional abuse is an attempt to control, in just the same way that physical abuse is an attempt to control another person. The only difference is that the emotional abuser does not use physical hitting, kicking, pinching, grabbing, pushing, or other physical forms of harm. Rather the perpetrator of emotional abuse uses emotion as his or her weapon o...
2020-02-0342 minThe Desire Line64 | Sexual Abuse Cont' | Mental Health and the ChurchThis week's episode continues our discussion with Barbara Sonofsky on the topic of sexual abuse. We explore the process of healing for individuals at different stages of their trauma, we identify what attitudes and obstacles keep us from healing and relish in a God who is the ultimate comforter, counselor and healer. Choosing to be offended Basic Pathway to Healing for Sexual Abuse Victims Naming your trauma Sharing trauma with a trusted confidant What healing looks like for different experiences of trauma Faith Hope and Love - 3 Tenants of Healing How the Church A...
2020-02-0341 minThe Desire Line63 | Sexual Abuse | Mental Health and the ChurchAs we continue our arc on abuse Susette and Brandon invite Barbara Sonofsky to the conversation of sexual abuse. In this episode Barb shares her story and explains how her experiences and recovery has shaped her. We shed more light on the complexities of this form of abuse in hopes to raise awareness and provide outlets for healing. Sexual abuse is unwanted sexual activity, with perpetrators using force, making threats or taking advantage of victims not able to give consent. Most victims and perpetrators know each other. Immediate reactions to sexual abuse include shock, fear or disbelief. L...
2020-01-2024 minThe Desire Line62 | Regulators, Mount Up! | A sermon by Susette MaganaThis week Susette Magana shares a sermon on recognizing and accepting our emotions, learning to regulate them and integrating them in our relationship with God. Emotions (all of them) are normal. EMOTIONS and BEHAVIORS are different. When we feel something, we then make a choice to act. “Ignoring our emotions is turning our back on reality; listening to our emotions ushers us into reality. And reality is where we meet God.” Dan Allendar. God created us to experience a full range of emotions, but not to be subject to them (let them run o...
2020-01-1341 minThe Desire LinePhysical Abuse Cont' | Mental Health and the ChurchWe continue the arc of abuse in this episode on the topic of physical abuse. Susette and Brandon discuss what this abuse looks like for children, and in romantic relationships, while more subvert forms physical abuse are brought to awareness. We realize these lines of definition are fine and more people than we realize struggle in pain than they let on. Physical Abuse: is any intentional and unwanted contact with you or something close to your body. Sometimes abusive behavior does not cause pain or even leave a bruise, but it’s still unhealthy. Scratching, punching, biti...
2020-01-0623 minThe Desire Line60 | Physical Abuse| Mental Health and the ChurchWe continue the arc of abuse in this episode on the topic of physical abuse. Susette and Brandon define what is considered physical abuse while also providing resources on how to further assess situations. We identify misconceptions of physical abuse and embark on a the issue of spanking, a subject that has a widely varied opinion. Physical Abuse: is any intentional and unwanted contact with you or something close to your body. Sometimes abusive behavior does not cause pain or even leave a bruise, but it’s still unhealthy. Scratching, punching, biting, strangling or kicking. Throwing so...
2019-12-3026 minThe Desire Line59 | Abuse | Mental Health and the ChurchThis episode begins the arc on abuse in our season on Mental Health in the Church. Susette and Brandon discuss different types of abuse and how they should be properly addressed in their professional perspectives. We will recognize the different forms in which people experience abuse, how we can address it and efforts to take towards a recovery process. Abuse: a pattern of behavior used by one person to gain and maintain POWER and CONTROL over another. Types of abuse: Physical, Emotional/Verbal, Sexual, Spiritual Abuse, Mental/Psychological, Financial/Economic (adult protected groups or rich k...
2019-12-1629 minThe Desire Line(The Favorites) 15| Four Stages Of Spiritual GrowthIn this episode we get to look back at one of our most popular episodes on spiritual development. Every faith journey is different, but are there discernible patterns that are common among us? Law was good, but it could never transform It was good, it taught you that we live in a moral universe, you weren’t designed to live under a baby-sitter for ever, meant to mature and live by the Spirit It’s openness to God that transforms, Jesus is the path to openness in God, in his death, he demonstrated his absol...
2019-11-181h 05The Desire Line58 | Refuse To Be Offended: A Prayer PracticeThe Desire Line Podcast presents a message given by our very own Brandon Cook. We will dive into the Lord's prayer and it's implications on our spiritual and prayer practices. Matthew 6:9-13 (NIV) 9 “This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us today our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, ...
2019-11-0433 minThe Desire LineThe Body MattersBrandon and Susette continue the discussion of the long lasting myth that affects how we view mental health, especially in relation to faith; that the body doesn’t matter. Having a dualistic mindset on this topic brings us closer to the desireline. The roles of neuroscience, contemplative practice and the balance of opposites are introduced. Although it is easier to separate body and mind, and pretend to live in a black and white world God created us as integrated beings and invites everyone to in the truth and mystery of that. Follow us on Twitter: @my...
2019-10-2840 minThe Desire Line56 | The Integration of the Body and Mind | Part 2Brandon and Susette dive deeper into a long lasting myth that affects how we view mental health, especially in relation to faith; that the body doesn’t matter. We talk about what healthy integration of both mind and body in terms of our faith looks like, and the importance of expressing that in a culture where the body is viewed as less than. Balance of Opposites Spirituality is Physical - Epigenetics Elevating the Role of the Body - Emotional pain received as physical pain to the brain The mind cr...
2019-10-2127 minThe Desire Line55 | Integration of Body and Mind Part 1Brandon and Susette dive deeper into a long lasting myth that affects how we view mental health, especially in relation to faith; the body and mind are separate entities. This is seen in Greco versus Hebraic view of the body and mind. We talk about what healthy integration of both looks like, and the importance of expressing that in a culture where the body is viewed as less than. Join us on our Facebook Group: The Desire Line Podcast Community Follow us on Twitter: @my desireline & @brandonalancook & @susettemtherapy On ins...
2019-10-1426 minThe Desire Line*BONUS EPISODE* Suicide & Faith CommunitiesIn this bonus episode we take a break from our series on mental health and the church to talk about current events surrounding suicidality. Susette takes an educational moment to address how we talk about suicide in our communities and how talking about suicide relieves a stigma providing a space for us to support one another. They share their experiences, presuppositions, and truths they have found surrounding this topic. Discussing how we can walk alongside those who struggle with depression or suicidality and guide them toward mental health professionals who can appropriately help and treatment. Suicide in m...
2019-10-0725 minThe Desire Line54 | Mental Health the Church and Myths that Surround It | Part 2Episode 54- MENTAL HEALTH AND THE CHURCH I: MYTHS OF MENTAL HEALTH CONT’ Follow us on Twitter: @my desireline & @brandonalancook & @susettemtherapy On instagram: @desire.line.podcast @susette.magana.therapy & @brandonalancook Support us on Patreon on “The Desire Line Podcast” In this episode the conversation of myths surrounding mental health in the church continues as we discuss why these myths are present, how they affect us and the truths in place of them that lead to spiritual growth. Brandon and Susette also share and compare their experiences of when people come to...
2019-09-231h 00The Desire Line53| Mental Health the Church and Myths That Surround ItIn this episode we introduce the theme of season three, mental health and the church, and begin to uncover some of the myths associated with these two different, yet integral movements. In this theme we’ll explore how faith communities might or might not engage with issues and how we, in faith, live authentically, empathetic, and connected. The catch all phrase “mental health” looks at the emotional, psychological and social well being. We discuss how our body, mind and soul contribute to our mental health and dissect problematic theologies that can pull us away from optimum mental health and spirit...
2019-09-101h 092019-07-0836 minThe Desire Line| Season 2: Highlights | Part 1The end is always bittersweet. We're wrapping up Season 2 this week with a discussion on all the topics covered throughout the past year. In part one of our chat, we go back into our arcs on Attachment Theory and Understanding The Bible. Thanks so much for tuning in!
2019-06-051h 12The Desire Line| Enneagram Party: Types 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 | Personality XIIt's an Enneagram Party! Part Two!
2019-05-131h 15The Desire LineEnneagram Party | Personality VIIIIt's an Enneagram Party! Kristy Hinds is a speaker, author and storyteller. You can find her book Redeemed: The Power Of A Single Story here at this link! Barbara Sunofsky is the Pastor of Family and Soul Care at Long Beach Christian Fellowship. You can find her at LBCF.org. Bryan Rouanzion is the Pastor of Teaching and Formation at Canopy Church in Costa Mesa, California.
2019-04-221h 05The Desire Line48 | Enneagram: Wings, Stress & Health | Personality VIIIWe're back again with another Enneagram episode. This week we discuss with our esteemed colleague and friend of the podcast, Bryan Rouanzion, Enneagram Wings and the ways that each type turns to others in moments of stress and moments of health. Thanks for joining us!
2019-04-081h 18The Desire Line47 | Enneagram Numbers 5-7| Personality VIIPart two is here! Continuing out discussion from last weeks episode, we dive into our final Enneagram Triad; The Mind. We also delve into the Myers Briggs correlation within enneagram types. Thanks for tuning in! Bryan Rouanzion is the Pastor of Teaching and Formation at Canopy Church in Costa Mesa, California.
2019-03-2640 minThe Desire Line46 | Enneagram Numbers 8 - 4 | Personality VIBryan's back...alright! This week we're diving into further discussion on two of the three intelligence centers covered in the previous episode. If you are not caught up, we highly suggest you give episode 45 a listen. If you are bummed we didn't cover your enneagram number in this episode, have no fear, we will be continuing our conversation in the following ep. So keep your eyes peeled! Bryan Rouanzion is the Pastor of Teaching and Formation at Canopy Church in Costa Mesa, California.
2019-03-1350 minThe Desire Line45 | The Enneagram (Body, Heart & Mind Triads) | Personality VPersonality reigns supreme. This week we're diving in to The Enneagram with friend-of-the-podcast, Bryan Rouanzoin. With ancient roots that transformed into a further exploration and understanding in the 20th century, The Enneagram taps into a deeper sense of human personality and archetype within all of us. We talk the nine types and how they divide into three separate centers existing within our own bodies. All of this with the hope that you, the listener, will consider it a helpful invitation to know thyself. Bryan Rouanzion is the Pastor of Teaching and Formation at Canopy Church in Costa Mesa...
2019-02-271h 13The Desire Line*BONUS EPISODE* Conversation With Robert Vore & Dr. Holly Oxhandler of CXMH PodcastA bonus ep! We are so excited to share this conversation with our DLPC. We are huge fans of the CXMH Podcast and we hope you love our chat with Robert Vore & Dr. Holly Oxhandler as much as we did. Click here to check out their podcast!
2019-02-201h 03The Desire Line44 | Myers Briggs & Prayer | Personality IVWe’re back with another episode on personality! Today we discuss the different ways that we seek God. We touch on how this correlates to our Myers-Briggs, strength praying/playing and what functionally puts you in touch with the divine. Thanks so much for tuning in, we hope you enjoy! NBC’s One To Grow On Four Temperaments: -Sanguine -Choleric -Melancholic -Phlegmatic Episode 15: M Scott Peck C.S Lewis Dark Night Of The Soul Romans...
2019-02-1355 minThe Desire Line43 | Temperment & Kiersey | Personality IIIIn our 3rd episode on Personality, we dive into the Four "Ancient" Temperaments first introduced by Galen of Pergamon, a Greek physician and surgeon. We talk our own individual reflections on the aforementioned identities, the utilization of these in popular media and how Keirsey realigned them to work alongside the Meyer-Briggs theory on personality. All of this and more, to ultimately learn how to make sense of your identity while also living in peace with those around you. Dr. David Keirsey was an American psychologist, a professor emeritus at California State University, Fullerton, and the author of seve...
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CXMH: On Faith & Mental Health61 - How to Set Goals & Make Changes (feat. Susette Magana & Brandon Cook from The Desire Line)It’s 2019, and we’re doing something we’ve never done before: a crossover episode! We got together with our friends from The Desire Line podcast to talk about resolutions, setting goals, and what it takes to create lasting change in our lives.
In the intro. Robert & Holly talk about changes to the ways you can interact with the show! Join the Cxmhunity Facebook group for free here and support the show on Patreon to see upcoming episodes and submit questions to be in interviews!
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2019-01-211h 12The Desire Line42| Understanding Our Strengths | Myers Briggs | Personality IIFind us! We want to connect with you. Instagram: @susette.magana.therapy & @brandonalancook FB: The Desire Line Podcast Community Twitter: @susettemtherapy @brandonalancook @mydesireline Patreon: www.patreon.com/desirelinepodcast ______________________________________ In the second episode in our arc on personality, we dive into Personality Theory, taking on the questions that are essential to the human paradigm... How am I different from you? How are you different from me? How do see the world and learn about it? How do we make decisions? Personality theory, as we understand it i...
2019-01-101h 09The Desire Line41| Personality, Temperament & Unique Identity | Personality IJoin us on our Facebook Group: The Desire Line Podcast Community. Follow us on Twitter: @mydesireline & @brandonalancook & @susettemtherapy On Instagram: @susette.magana.therapy & @brandonalancook Support us on Patreon on "The Desire Line Podcast." In this episode, we begin our arc on Personality Theories, and how they inform who we are. These next few episodes will cover the Myers-Briggs, the Enneagram, and other theories (like the 4 Temperaments). We'll look at what they have in common, how they differ, and how they teach us about how we experience the world & make deci...
2018-11-271h 09The Desire Line40 | Redemption thru Prayer & Reconciliation | Interview | Kristy Hinds, Author & PastorToday is a stand alone episode with Pastor & Author Kristy Hinds & Susette. Kristy worked for years at a local Long Beach church as an Associate Pastor, now works in her denomination as a District Superintendent. Or, a "Pastor for Pastors." She has recently written a book called "Redeemed: The Power of a Single Story." Kristy and Susette talk about her experience with leading a group on Racial Reconciliation, and how they used prayer & a model from Ephesians 4 to join the group first in Unity in Christ before discussing their experiences & pain with each other. We...
2018-11-051h 10The Desire Line39 | Violence | Understanding the Bible VIIWe finish our arc on Understanding the Bible, and our discussion on "Weird Bits" of the Bible that can bring up fear or doubt (cont'd from Episode 38). In this ep, we look at Violence in the Bible, and use Greg Boyd's perspective on how to view it. Click here to listen to our previous episode "If you’re outside on a day when you can only catch glimpses of the sun, it means it’s a mostly cloudy day. So, as we read the OT, we should remain aware that these authors had a rather cloudy...
2018-10-291h 15The Desire Line38 | Weird Bits: Inerrancy & Infallibility | Understanding the Bible VIWeird bits of the bible. They're there. Now what do we do with them? In this episode we dive into scripture, wrestling with the inconsistencies, theological differences and other instances in the bible that can sometimes give a bit of a gut punch. We discuss our own personal journey's, different schools of thought and resting in the trust of God despite these feelings. How do the parts of the bible that don't make sense, or seem to not fit, inform our faith? How can our perspective on scripture move from cognitive dissonance to doubt & questioning to...
2018-10-1058 minThe Desire Line37 | Bible + Erik Erikson + Richard Rohr | Understanding The Bible VHey Desire Line family! We are back with another episode in our series on Understanding The Bible. Today we dive back into human development and the ways it mirrors spiritual development, seen throughout the history of the bible. We use Erik Erikson's Theory of Psychosocial Development to examine books of the bible and how early Christians stop defining themselves by the rules, and begin defining themselves as a people of God. In typical Desire Line tradition, there are at least two unplanned song breaks, so you really don't want to miss this one! ...
2018-09-291h 08The Desire Line36 | Human Development + Scripture Development | Understanding The Bible IVWe are back again with another episode in our arc on Understanding The Bible. In a decidedly lighter episode, we discuss how the development of scripture mirrors human development and human psychology. We go through M. Scott Pecks Four Stages Of Spiritual Development and how it ties in directly to the development of scripture in the history of the bible. We tackle everything from living and wrestling with our own stages and how that relates to our relationship with scripture to a lengthly tangent discussing personalizing tv theme songs to sing to loved ones in our life...
2018-09-191h 00The Desire Line35 | Suffering & Jesus | Understanding The Bible IVHow do we read scripture through the filter of Jesus, shifting the focus of our faith? We are now on our 3rd episode in our arc on Understanding The Bible. In this episode we talk about reading scripture as a story of ongoing development, the revelation of who God is in Jesus and how the understanding of a deeper meaning is a transformed heart. Dive in with us. ----------------------------------- Purchase Brandon’s Book! To read more on the Nazi’s use of Romans 13 to justify evil click here John...
2018-09-101h 07The Desire Line34 | Talking NT Wright: The 5 Acts | Understanding The Bible IIIPart three of Understanding The Bible is here! In this episode, we discuss our 'patron saint of the podcast', NT Wright and his thoughts on viewing the bible "from 20,000 feet". We discuss how NT breaks down scripture into 5 acts and how they ultimately serve as a love story of restoration between Creator and his beloved Creation, now embodied and personified in the church. N.T. WRIGHT is the former Bishop of Durham in the Church of England and one of the world's leading Bible scholars. He is now serving as the Chair of N...
2018-08-281h 01The Desire Line33 | Understanding The Bible II | Jesus' ScripturePlease rate, review & subscribe to The Desire Line Podcast--it really helps us to get the word out! Do you relate to the Bible primarily as an orientation to right and wrong or as the story of God pursuing man? Are you willing to wrestle with it? For the second episode in our arc on Understanding The Bible, we dive straight into the history of the text itself. If you are a lover of some good ol' historical context, this episode is for you! We discuss Jesus's own relationship with scripture; how our understanding...
2018-08-2146 minThe Desire Line32 | Understanding The Bible IPlease rate, review & subscribe to The Desire Line Podcast--it really helps us to get the word out! Do you relate to the Bible primarily as an orientation to right and wrong or as the story of God pursuing man? Are you willing to wrestle with it? For the first episode in our arc on Understanding The Bible, we dive straight into the history of the text itself. If you are a lover of some good ol' historical context, this episode is for you! We discuss Jesus's own relationship with scripture; how our understanding...
2018-08-1345 minThe Desire Line31 | Praying while Moving | Interview with Mike GoldsworthyClick here to find Brandon's new book! "Be still and know that I am God". How many times have we found ourselves wrought with feelings of anxious obligation when it comes to making time to be with God? For many of us, the time needs to look like silent prayer, meditation or other spiritual practices with an emphasis on stilling our bodies to be more susceptible to what God has to say to us. In an engaging and insightful interview, we speak with friend and pastor, Mike Goldsworthy. Mike challenges that idea by s...
2018-07-311h 17The Desire Line30 | Keeping Healthy Boundaries | Attachment Theory VIIt's the final (countdown!) episode in our arc on Attachment Theory. We have all this theory, now what do we do with it? In this episode we cover the practical application of attachment theory and what it means to be healthily and unhealthily attached in 9 different categories: Body Attitudes Feeling Behavior Thoughts Abilities Desires Choices Limits Click here to read along with us. As we read through, notice which ones strike you or speak to you. These may be areas where differentiation work can happen in your own life. Charles Swindoll quot...
2018-07-211h 02The Desire Line29| Differentiation: Bonding & Setting Boundaries | Attachment VDon't forget to subscribe, rate & review us on iTunes! It REALLY helps us to grow. Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/desirelinepodcast Instagram: @susette.magana.therapy and @brandonalancook Twitter: @mydesireline, @susettemtherapy and @brandonalancook Also, check out our Patreon (www.patreon.com/desirelinepodcast) if you'd like to help us to cover our production costs. Any amount is SO helpful to us. We're very thankful for you!! Today, we're continuing the discussion on Attachment. This arc starts on Episode 25. We've talked Bonding for a few episodes, and today, we continue to discuss Boundaries. Tak...
2018-07-1052 minThe Desire Line28| Insecure: Avoid, Please, Vacillate, Control, Victimize | Attachment IVDon't forget to subscribe, rate & review us on iTunes! It REALLY helps us to grow. Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/desirelinepodcast Instagram: @susette.magana.therapy and @brandonalancook Twitter: @mydesireline, @susettemtherapy and @brandonalancook Today's episode will focus on the insecure attachment styles that are part of our relationships in adulthood. Basically--how do we deal with feelings of rejection, vulnerability and deep needs? Our material comes from the book "How We Love," by Milan & Kay Yerkovich. "Internal Working Model" "A cognitive framework comprising mental representations for und...
2018-06-181h 08The Desire Line27| Being a Grown Up | Attachment Theory IIISubscribe to this podcast on iTunes/Apple Podcasts. Find us on Facebook: Desire Line Podcast Community On Twitter: @mydesireline @susettemtherapy @brandonalancook On Instagram: @susette.magana.therapy @brandonalancook Episode 27: Our third episode in our Attachment arc starts discussing how attachment affects us in adulthood. We talk "Internal Working Model" "A cognitive framework comprising mental representations for understanding the world, self, and others. A person’s interaction with others is guided by memories and expectations from their internal model which influence and help evaluate their contact with others." htt...
2018-06-111h 06The Desire Line26| The Scripture is About Connection | Attachment IICheck us out on Patreon, a site where you can support creators Find us on social media: Twitter: @mydesireline, @susettmtherapy @brandonalancook Instagram: @susette.magana.therapy, @brandonalancook Facebook: Desire Line Podcast Community --we'd love for you to connect with us and find ways to have additional resources for your Desire Line journey. Today, we're continuing our conversation with Attachment Theory--or how we bond in initial relationships, and then learn to set boundaries as we grow. Brandon will bring the pastoral perspective today. A Review: “Attachment” how ou...
2018-05-301h 01The Desire Line25| Family + Adult Relationships | Attachment IIt’s season two, and we’re diving straight in. In this episode we cover the basics of Attachment Theory. How does the understanding of our own attachments (and the attachments of those around us) allow us to navigate our physical and spiritual relationships? Attachment Theory: a set of concepts that explain the emergence of an emotional bond between an infant and primary caregiver and the way in which this bond affects the child’s behavioral and emotional development into adulthood. “The way we do anything is the way we do everything” - Martha Beck More...
2018-05-231h 10The Desire LinePreview Season 2This Season's Focus: "Identity" Who are we, and how did we get this way? We'll be covering the following topics: Attachment Theory, Bonding & Boundaries in Relationships Codependency Understanding The Bible Personality Theories Cultural Awareness & Racial Reconciliation That's what we have so far -- but we reserve the right to keep adding to the list. We'll be interviewing some AWESOME guests to expand these conversations.
2018-05-2107 minThe Desire Line24| Interview | Bryan RouanzoinOur first interview! Bryan Rouanzoin's work integrating different spiritual development stages inspired our 7-episode conversation. We're excited to have Bryan, to communicate his own studies and experience in this Spiritual Development work. See all these notes of theories & quotes that Bryan knows off the top of his head! Bryan lives in Costa Mesa, CA with his wife Jenni, and two kids: Evie and Jude. He is a pastor on staff at Vanguard University and continues to serve alongside local church communities in teaching and worship capacities and has a unique interest in helping people explore their own...
2018-04-051h 16The Desire Line23| Spiritual + Emotional Maturity | The Critical JourneyWe take a look at The Critical Journey theory by Hagberg + Guelich, which looks at the external + internal spiritual journey. We weave in a lot of Peter Scazzero's Emotionally Healthy Spirituality theory, and how important that perspective has been. "You can't be spiritual mature if you're emotionally immature." Pete Scazzero The Critical Journey Drawing upon this classical vision of the Christian life and drawing from the work of James Fowler’s seminal Stages of Faith, Janet O. Hagberg and Robert A. Guelich, developed a stage theory model for the spiritual journey that they call...
2018-03-2843 minThe Desire Line22| Praying Without Words: What To Do When You Hit The WallOur ALMOST final episode on Spiritual Development. In times when language doesn't express fully your love for God, or pain, hurt or struggle, there's ways to continue praying without words. We look at The Dark Night of the Soul, and define the "darkness" as "unknowing" instead of necessarily "scary" (like being left alone in the dark). We look at different methods for approaching God + theology, Cataphatic & Apophatic. (The "knowing" that comes with language or the ability to describe, and the knowing that is too deep for words). The Dark Night of the Soul In every develo...
2018-03-2149 minThe Desire Line21| Faith & Human Development: Long Lost Friends (James W. Fowler's Stages of Faith) | Spiritual Development VIIHow does our view of God & His love for us change as we grow from childhood into adulthood? Looking at how our faith develops over the span of human development, using James W. Fowler's Stages of Faith. We talk a lot of attachment theory, and how we have frozen in different developmental stages in a few ways. Debate: Who's the bigger nerd? Susette or Brandon? You can vote on our Desire Line Podcast Community on Facebook! The OC Supertones "Found" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMYnU_VyCM0 A Chart comparing Fowle...
2018-03-141h 08The Desire Line20| Prayer, Mystics + the Dark Night of the Soul | Spiritual Development VIThis episode focuses on Union with God, and some history on those who have sought it and wrote about it. What do we experience in our heart, body, and mind when we're experiencing God's love and feeling united with Him? Here's an article on mushashi proteins and how the brain chooses to actively forget something: https://www.popsci.com/article/forgetting-actively-controlled-process-brain Mystics, in the history of the Catholic church, saw the value of experience in relationship with God. -Periphery -Julian of Norwich -Revelation of Divine Love 1395 https://catholicstrength...
2018-03-011h 04The Desire Line19| Learning to Trust God | Spiritual Development VHow do we, as Christians, transcend boundaries appropriately while maintaining our faith in who God is? In this episode, we dive into part II of our discussion on M. Scott Peck’s Stages of Spiritual Development and how we see the transition from Stage II (Boundaries) into Stage III (Tension) play throughout the bible and our lives. Image and explanation of a Dendrite https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/dendrite “One sign of maturity, are the thoughts that no longer occur to us.” -Dallas Willard Romans 1 Romans 12 Till We Have Faces, C.S. Lewis
2018-02-2749 minThe Desire Line18| Integrating God's Goodness | Spiritual Development IVHow do Christians engage in drawing closer to God in a real church environment? This is a break-it-down episode, where we spend time talking more about moralism + hedonism and how we experience M. Scott Peck's Stage 2 in our lives, and in our churches. We break down the concept of inviting God into the darkness of our shameful thoughts by asking "God, how can you be so good?" in the midst of it. Stage 2 can be associated with high degrees of rigidity Brandon's theory: The Anatomy of Religious Rigidity Two ways to soo...
2018-02-2048 minThe Desire Line17| Navigating Tension in Faith| Spiritual Development IIIThis is our third episode in an arc on Spiritual Development. We look closer at Stages II and III of M. Scott Peck's Stages of Faith, and how we can navigate tensions to this journey moving towards union with God. It's important to evaluate what part of Christianity we try to protect out of fear. Our goal: "Life in the Spirit" (see Romans 8) meaning to move into union with God. Our guest music today is: Feel Your Love, by Still Spoken You can find it on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/3wWxnAjCikcl6Ug9Fymr09
2018-02-1257 minThe Desire Line16| Faith + How It Grows | Patterns Of Spiritual Development IILooking deeper at M. Scott Peck's Stages of Faith M. Scott Peck, Stages of Faith Stage I: Chaotic, Antisocial -Antisocial (not caring about community or others, but only own self-interests). Stage II: Formal, Institutional, Fundamental -Faith is part of the person’s life. -Can imagine this person giving a testimony in church. -Not only is belief the TRUTH, but the TRUTH is simple. Stage III: Skeptic, Individual, Questioner -Life is more gray than previously acknowledged -There’s struggle here-- questioning what you thought was TRUTH, or why it was...
2018-02-051h 10The Desire Line15| Four Stages Of Spiritual Growth | Patterns of Spiritual Development IEvery faith journey is different, but are there discernible patterns that are common among us? Law was good, but it could never transform It was good, it taught you that we live in a moral universe, you weren’t designed to live under a baby-sitter for ever, meant to mature and live by the Spirit It’s openness to God that transforms, Jesus is the path to openness in God, in his death, he demonstrated his absolute trust—his absolute openness—to God and to resurrection life in God There often will come a point wh...
2018-01-241h 05The Desire Line14| Salvation as Process | Gospel & Salvation VIIntimacy with God is the process of Salvation -- we connect to Him more deeply through the process of Salvation. Salvation is more of a process than an "event" where our sins are forgiven. See Hosea, Song of Solomon, Eph 5 to see examples of intimacy with God. He's created a world where we can find Him and going deeper with Him. Paul's epistles: What God has done, who we are as a result (adopted, His children), therefore you live it out this way. This is a big difference from "works theology" something that we've been trained to live in...
2018-01-1748 minThe Desire Line13| What We Mean By Heaven | Gospel & Salvation VFifth episode in an arc about Gospel & Salvation, Jesus, and the Gospels. Culture, and how we do not have a good conception for concepts of Kingship and Lordship--submission to a leader is not a quality that American culture values. We've divided the concepts of "Follow Me" that Jesus introduced to His disciples into conversion and discipleship. They're not two different things. How do we understand salvation and what it means to be saved? Salvation is a relationship. Reviewing the Hebrew definition of Knowing tied more to Intimacy than to Knowing "about" or observing like our concepts of...
2018-01-1055 minThe Desire Line12| Salvation As Knowing God | Gospel & Salvation IVContinuing episode arc around The Gospel and Salvation. If you are just joining the Podcast for this episode, you may want to start at episode 9: The Gospel & the Gospels for the beginning of this arc. New Perspective on Paul defined, a new perspective on Paul's letters in the bible and how they've been read since the Reformation. A quick background on why the Reformation was important, to correct the corruption at that time, an example of this being indulgences. Martin Luther also focused justification by faith alone (sola fide), faith being not earned by works, but g...
2018-01-0343 minThe Desire Line11| Salvation and The Church | Gospel & Salvation IIIGospel is bigger than the "plan of Salvation" or bigger than the question of "where am I going to go when I die? Heaven or Hell?" The story of the Bible in big picture is to restore the original “Garden of Eden”, where we were able to walk with God daily, intimately, unashamed. Jesus came to restore that intimacy for all of us. Jesus breaks down tribalism. We look at denominations, and doctrine, and how we tend to leave tension earlier than we should. Check out the Welcoming Prayer, posted on Episode 6 post on www.desirelinepodcast.com/list...
2017-12-2049 minThe Desire Line10| The Gospel and The Kingdom of Heaven | Gospel & Salvation IIWhat does "heaven" mean? What does "going to heaven when you die" mean? We take a look at the Gospel, Gospels, heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven. Is heaven a place that you go when you die? Or is the Kingdom of Heaven here? We talk about how Jesus, in the Gospels talks about His message of the Kingdom, and how His coming completes God's plan for new creation. Both tell stories of spiritual development and how our perspective started to change when we began to study the bible in college and read through the whole thing. There was...
2017-12-1339 minThe Desire Line9|The Gospel and The Gospels | Gospel & Salvation IThe Gospel + The Gospels Brandon gets to talk about his training and perspective on this foundation of the Christian faith. We talk culture, understanding our own culture, and stepping outside of how we grew up to see how others see us, and expand our worldview. Greek vs. Jewish worldview, and how these two are different, and bring different culture perspectives to how we read the Bible. -ex: faith is something that you "embody," not just something that you "think." How we are influenced by Greco-Roman thinking, shown in examples of hymns "I'll fly away."
2017-12-0643 minThe Desire Line8| Shame and LoveContinuing conversation about how we experience Shame in our lives, how it effects our perspective of how we're loved by others, and how any shame we experience is NOT truth. Brandon explores scripture and the biblical narrative of shame, starting with Genesis 3 ending with Revelation 21 about how shame is something that God of the Hebrew Bible, and Jesus of the Gospels saw in people, and sought to love us in a way that helped us fight it. Jesus came to set us free to the original "nakedness", our ability to be vulnerable without fear and shame. "Shame" i...
2017-12-0247 minThe Desire Line7| Shame and LanguageShame is our topic this episode -- and how to begin building resilience against it. Check out the beginning of our arc on these topics with Trauma (Ep 3), Anger (Ep 4) Anxiety (Ep 5&6) and now Shame. We define shame from Brene Brown: Shame is an intense painful feeling or experience of believing that we are flawed and therefore unworthy of love or belonging. And Curt Thompson "The Soul of Shame" The feeling of: “I am not enough; there is something wrong with me; I am bad or I don’t matter.” The fear that something we’ve done...
2017-11-2045 minThe Desire Line6| Anxiety and Peace, Cont'dHow does anxiety tie in with our FOO (Family of Origin) or COO (Church of Origin). Brandon talks about his Obsessive Compulsive symptoms that he felt tied to his family background. Panic Attacks and how we (and others) define anxiety -- do you "fight" anxiety? Or do you feel the need to allow it, without fighting it in order to move through? How did your FOO and your COO effect your ability to calm yourself down? Secure attachment with our first caretakers (i.e. Parents) is a way that we experience safety, security, & comfort. Power and Int...
2017-11-1559 minThe Desire Line5| Anxiety and PeaceAnxiety is our topic in these next two episodes. This is part of series we've done on Trauma, Anger, Anxiety and Shame. We start with a free association game on anxiety-- there's so many words that we use to describe it! We describe our own anxiety that morning. Brandon tells a story of a panic attack that he experienced after a surgery. His experience taught him empathy and compassion for those who experience anxiety and panic, but also learned that for him, anxiety is something he needs to accept in the moment, without fighting it. Thera...
2017-11-081h 10The Desire Line4| Anger and AdvocacyAnger is good, or can be good for us, because it points to things that are "under the hood" or emotions that are deeper than we sometimes realize. Vulnerable emotions like being sad, anxiety, fear, worry, and shame can sit underneath anger. Brandon + Susette talk about some of their experiences with their own anger. How does anger effect your parenting, and how to kids experience their parents anger. Trauma is a great way to introduce the concept of anger in our body/brain (limbic system, amygdala, hippocampus, anterior cingulate gyrus), check out Episode 3: Trauma + Hope to hear...
2017-11-011h 06The Desire Line3| Trauma and HopeIn this episode, we focus on trauma, including definitions, how it effects us, and how it effects our brain & levels of stress. We talked about how to "ground" using your senses (what you see, taste, smell, touch, hear), and how paying attention to 3 or more of your sense can help anxiety symptoms. Neuroscience is proving now what Jesus told us: Prayer brings us healing. We reviewed PTSD (Posttraumatic Stress Disorder) vs. how we respond to traumatic events in a normal way. Trauma symptoms are connected to memory, and how our brain helps us to make sense...
2017-10-2556 minThe Desire Line2| Therapy and Transformation, Cont'dPart 2 of our conversation on Therapy and Transformation. How do we heal, change and grow? We begin to discuss the neuroscience (!) of the brain and prayer, how stress hormones like cortisol and adrenaline affect us, and how practicing specific thinking changes how our brain functions. The more we meditate and focus on good, the more peace we feel. Scripture tells us to change the way we think. We reflect, we contemplate, we behold God's love and presence, and then we are transformed. Two therapy theories: EMDR: Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing And CBT: Cognitive...
2017-10-1853 minThe Desire Line1| Therapy and TransformationHow are we transformed? How do we experience healing, peace, or freedom? How does our relationship with Jesus change as we stop doing what we've always been told, and begin to see Jesus in relationship above all else? Susette talks Therapy 101: Unconditional Positive Regard (or unconditional love), intimacy, feeling understood, confidentiality, trust in therapy space. Each host tells stories from their childhood church experiences, they talk similarities about 90's Christian culture. God's unconditional acceptance of us (love & grace that He's given us first) is what transforms us. The more you practice empathy, the more natural it...
2017-10-1550 min
The Desire Line0| The Desire LineWe explore what a desire line is, and how we'll use this metaphor in future episodes to speak about our real experience as Christians -- not the RIGHT way to live or think, but the way that we actually experience our relationship with Jesus, and how this relationship has changed our life.
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