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SustainababbleSustainababble#273: Chris Packham meets Sustainababble, againFor our final interview, we’re joined for a second time by the majestic Chris Packham, our first ‘proper’ guest all the way back in 2015. We discuss all that has changed in those seven and a half years, not least some pretty hardcore stuff for Chris personally, and we chew over what the world of activism and protest might look like seven years hence, given things continue to go so spectacularly to shit. Talking of shit, we discover that Chris Packham is full of it – so much so that he’s put his favourite wildlife poo pics i...2022-12-191h 01SustainababbleSustainababble#273: Chris Packham meets Sustainababble, againFor our final interview, we're joined for a second time by the majestic Chris Packham, our first 'proper' guest all the way back in 2015.We discuss all that has changed in those seven and a half years, not least some pretty hardcore stuff for Chris personally, and we chew over what the world of activism and protest might look like seven years hence, given things continue to go so spectacularly to shit.Talking of shit, we discover that Chris Packham is full of it - so much so that he's put his favourite wildlife poo pics in a calendar for 2023...2022-12-191h 01SustainababbleSustainababble#268: David Roberts meets SustainababbleChances are you’ll have read David Roberts’ superlative writing on climate – at Vox or more recently Volts – and thought ‘coo, that’s sensible and right and interesting’. We certainly have, so we’re delighted to finally have him on the show. David natters with us about US politics (are things potentially *not* totally naused?), progressives’ inability to be happy, the usefulness of COPs and the role of protest. We also goad him to adopt pointlessly binary positions on various controversial topics but, darn it, he sees us coming. As mentioned in the show, here’s David’s sterling a...2022-11-141h 13SustainababbleSustainababble#268: David Roberts meets SustainababbleChances are you’ll have read David Roberts’ superlative writing on climate – at Vox or more recently Volts – and thought ‘coo, that’s sensible and right and interesting’. We certainly have, so we’re delighted to finally have him on the show.David natters with us about US politics (are things potentially *not* totally naused?), progressives’ inability to be happy, the usefulness of COPs and the role of protest. We also goad him to adopt pointlessly binary positions on various controversial topics but, darn it, he sees us coming.As mentioned in the show, here's David's sterling advice for aspiring journalists.Sustai...2022-11-141h 13SustainababbleSustainababble#261: Leah Thomas meets Sustainababble'Intersectional environmentalism' is a) a lot of syllables, b) a brilliant concept explained simply and powerfully by writer and environmentalist Leah Thomas, and c) coincidentally also the title of Leah's new book. Part activist toolkit, part theory, and part history of environmental (in)justice, The Intersectional Environmentalist acknowledges and explores the overlap between systemic harm against Black, Indigenous, and people of colour (BIPOC) communities and the Earth. It also does a superb job of disentangling numerous knotty issues, like what privilege is and what it's got to do with the planet, with care and patience. And, talking of patience, Leah...2022-08-2953 minSustainababbleSustainababble#261: Leah Thomas meets Sustainababble'Intersectional environmentalism' is a) a lot of syllables, b) a brilliant concept explained simply and powerfully by writer and environmentalist Leah Thomas, and c) coincidentally also the title of Leah's new book.Part activist toolkit, part theory, and part history of environmental (in)justice, The Intersectional Environmentalist acknowledges and explores the overlap between systemic harm against Black, Indigenous, and people of colour (BIPOC) communities and the Earth.It also does a superb job of disentangling numerous knotty issues, like what privilege is and what it's got to do with the planet, with care and patience.And, talking of patience, Leah...2022-08-2953 minSustainababbleSustainababble#260: Rupert Read meets SustainababbleRupert Read is an author, philosopher, and activist, perhaps best known for his prominent role in Extinction Rebellion. He's written more than a dozen books and his most recent - Why Climate Breakdown Matters - is, well, full on. Full on in that it argues that unless we confront the full horror of the situation we're in, and the very high likelihood that that situation will unravel towards some sort of societal collapse, then we can't possibly hope to plot a course towards a liveable future. So yeah, it's not for the faint hearted, but Rupert's argument also goes that...2022-08-2145 minSustainababbleSustainababble#260: Rupert Read meets SustainababbleRupert Read is an author, philosopher, and activist, perhaps best known for his prominent role in Extinction Rebellion. He's written more than a dozen books and his most recent - Why Climate Breakdown Matters - is, well, full on. Full on in that it argues that unless we confront the full horror of the situation we're in, and the very high likelihood that that situation will unravel towards some sort of societal collapse, then we can't possibly hope to plot a course towards a liveable future.So yeah, it's not for the faint hearted, but Rupert's argument also goes that...2022-08-2145 minSustainababbleSustainababble#254: Luke Turner Meets SustainababbleEpping Forest, or "Effing Forest" as it's known to the locals, is at the heart of Luke Turner's wonderful 2019 book about sexuality, trauma, god and personal recovery. The forest, Luke says, hums with an energy of people both enjoying the place but also getting up to things they can't do, and being people they can't be, in their normal lives. It's a human landscape, and kinda always has been - in contrast to the hippified, somewhat problematic idea of 'untouched' woodland. And despite all its undeniable loveliness, it's not necessarily a place which magically 'cures' your ills, no matter what...2022-07-1153 minSustainababbleSustainababble#254: Luke Turner Meets SustainababbleEpping Forest, or "Effing Forest" as it's known to the locals, is at the heart of Luke Turner's wonderful 2019 book about sexuality, trauma, god and personal recovery.The forest, Luke says, hums with an energy of people both enjoying the place but also getting up to things they can't do, and being people they can't be, in their normal lives. It's a human landscape, and kinda always has been - in contrast to the hippified, somewhat problematic idea of 'untouched' woodland.And despite all its undeniable loveliness, it's not necessarily a place which magically 'cures' your ills, no matter what...2022-07-1153 minSustainababbleSustainababble#247: Mary Colwell meets SustainababbleIn a rare bit of good news for the nation's youth, a new natural history GCSE means 16 year olds might one day appreciate fauna as much as they do Fortnite. Author & conservation goddess Mary Colwell is the driving force behind the 10 yr + campaign to persuade the UK government to introduce this new qualification, no mean feat given the introductions they prefer to make are between plutocrat A and party fundraiser B. ALLEGEDLY.We natter to Mary about how on earth she got this campaign over the line - featuring Bond-style train chases, among other things - as well as the...2022-05-0258 minSustainababbleSustainababble#247: Mary Colwell meets SustainababbleIn a rare bit of good news for the nation's youth, a new natural history GCSE means 16 year olds might one day appreciate fauna as much as they do Fortnite.Author & conservation goddess Mary Colwell is the driving force behind the 10 yr + campaign to persuade the UK government to introduce this new qualification, no mean feat given the introductions they prefer to make are between plutocrat A and party fundraiser B. ALLEGEDLY.We natter to Mary about how on earth she got this campaign over the line - featuring Bond-style train chases, among other things - as well as the...2022-05-0258 minSustainababbleSustainababble#242: Tessa Khan meets SustainababbleSuing national Governments for gross Inhofery, whilst simultaneously laying the smackdown on oil and gas companies, sounds daunting and, frankly, a lot of work. Thank bejeezus then that international environmental & human rights lawyer Tessa Khan is busy doing all this and more, with no little success. We natter to Tessa, who founded and directs Uplift, about Russia's invasion of Ukraine and its connection to all things fossil fuelled; the merits and pitfalls of trying to save the planet via the courts; and what to do with all the shit white men in positions of power. As mentioned in the show...2022-03-0648 minSustainababbleSustainababble#242: Tessa Khan meets SustainababbleSuing national Governments for gross Inhofery, whilst simultaneously laying the smackdown on oil and gas companies, sounds daunting and, frankly, a lot of work. Thank bejeezus then that international environmental & human rights lawyer Tessa Khan is busy doing all this and more, with no little success.We natter to Tessa, who founded and directs Uplift, about Russia's invasion of Ukraine and its connection to all things fossil fuelled; the merits and pitfalls of trying to save the planet via the courts; and what to do with all the shit white men in positions of power.As mentioned in the show...2022-03-0648 minSustainababbleSustainababble#238: Katharine Hayhoe meets SustainababbleVery, VERY excitingly, this week we natter with one of the best climate communicators around, who also happens to be one of the planet's foremost climate scientists.Professor Katharine Hayhoe is a United Nations 'Champion of the Earth', chief scientist at the Nature Conservancy, and one of Time Magazine's 100 most influential people.Her new book, Saving Us, makes the case that the most important thing we can do about climate change is the one thing we're terrible at - talking about it. But by talking, Katharine doesn't mean passive aggressively quoting IPCC reports and hurling Keeling curves at each other...2022-02-0657 minSustainababbleSustainababble#238: Katharine Hayhoe meets SustainababbleVery, VERY excitingly, this week we natter with one of the best climate communicators around, who also happens to be one of the planet's foremost climate scientists. Professor Katharine Hayhoe is a United Nations 'Champion of the Earth', chief scientist at the Nature Conservancy, and one of Time Magazine's 100 most influential people. Her new book, Saving Us, makes the case that the most important thing we can do about climate change is the one thing we're terrible at - talking about it. But by talking, Katharine doesn't mean passive aggressively quoting IPCC reports and hurling Keeling curves at each other...2022-02-0657 minSustainababbleSustainababble#223: Katherine Trebeck meets SustainababbleA 'wellbeing economy' sounds like the sort of economy that might not ruin everything, and in that sense we are very much behind it. But it also sounds like the sort of thing that we don't really know what it is.HOWEVER, this week's guest - writer, researcher, and advocate for economic system change Dr Katherine Trebeck - very much *does* know what it is, and is spearheading efforts to get Governments to actually prioritise wellbeing.We sit down with Katherine to find out where this all sits on the scale of Goldman Sachs to Kum Ba Yah, and how...2021-08-1650 minSustainababbleSustainababble#223: Katherine Trebeck meets SustainababbleA 'wellbeing economy' sounds like the sort of economy that might not ruin everything, and in that sense we are very much behind it. But it also sounds like the sort of thing that we don't really know what it is. HOWEVER, this week's guest - writer, researcher, and advocate for economic system change Dr Katherine Trebeck - very much *does* know what it is, and is spearheading efforts to get Governments to actually prioritise wellbeing.We sit down with Katherine to find out where this all sits on the scale of Goldman Sachs to Kum Ba Yah, and how...2021-08-1650 minSustainababbleSustainababbleRerun: #171: Mark Lynas meets SustainababbleNo Babble again this week due to a last minute production cock-up, so it's re-run time again. As the impacts of climate change are very much top of everyone's mind right now, we thought you might appreciate our chat about all things 'how buggered could the climate get anyway', with Mark Lynas (original broadcast: April 2020). Disclaimer: climate science moves fast, and there's dicussion in here about the potential for the gulf stream to slow down, which the news recently reported scientists are increasingly worried may be happening. Back in early 2020 Mark wasn't that worried about it. Bear in mind that...2021-08-0844 minSustainababbleSustainababble#215: Tim Jackson Meets SustainababbleBoris "Gordon Gekko" Johnson aside, no-one likes greed. But growth - mmmmm, warm, cuddly, economic growth - well, that's another matter.Lesson one in MP school is that our collective prosperity increases as the economy swells. More GDP = more hospitals and schools. It's one of the few things upon which mainstream political parties everywhere agree: growth is unquestionably good.Which makes the life-work of this week's guest, the absurdly big-brained Professor Tim Jackson, all the more notable.Tim, one of the world's foremost experts on ecological economics, set political tongues wagging with his epochal 2009 book Prosperity Without Growth. Infinite growth...2021-06-0655 minSustainababbleSustainababble#215: Tim Jackson Meets SustainababbleBoris "Gordon Gekko" Johnson aside, no-one likes greed. But growth - mmmmm, warm, cuddly, economic growth - well, that's another matter. Lesson one in MP school is that our collective prosperity increases as the economy swells. More GDP = more hospitals and schools. It's one of the few things upon which mainstream political parties everywhere agree: growth is unquestionably good. Which makes the life-work of this week's guest, the absurdly big-brained Professor Tim Jackson, all the more notable. Tim, one of the world's foremost experts on ecological economics, set political tongues wagging with his epochal 2009 book Prosperity Without Growth. Infinite growth...2021-06-0655 minSustainababbleSustainababbleFrom the archive: #155: Beavers meet SustainababbleEek! There's no Babble this week because Covid-19 has come to Babble Towers (Ol: he's OK, don't worry). So by popular request, here's one of our favourite earlier episodes to tide you over. In this special episode, Dave and Ol leave stinky London behind and head off to rainy, muddy Cornwall to meet some actual beavers. Without wellies.  It’s been 400 years since the humble but sodding impressive beaver was wiped out in the UK due to having nice-smelling undercarriages. Now, a handful of rewilders are starting to reintroduce them – including organic farmer, sausage chaser and beaver fancier, Chris Jones. With...2021-02-0745 minSustainababbleSustainababble#198: Hugo Tagholm meets SustainababbleEver wound up in the ocean with human faeces on your head, or a used sanitary product bobbing by? Us neither, thankfully, but many UK surfers have, which is why a bunch of them campaign for cleaner seas with Surfers Against Sewage, a national marine conservation charity headed up by Hugo Tagholm.For this opening episode of 2021, Hugo joins us to explain why Dave should try surfing (he really shouldn't, ed.), why lobbying MPs in wetsuits is effective, and to shed light on the, well, shitty practices of water companies.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music...2021-01-0342 minSustainababbleSustainababble#198: Hugo Tagholm meets SustainababbleEver wound up in the ocean with human faeces on your head, or a used sanitary product bobbing by? Us neither, thankfully, but many UK surfers have, which is why a bunch of them campaign for cleaner seas with Surfers Against Sewage, a national marine conservation charity headed up by Hugo Tagholm. For this opening episode of 2021, Hugo joins us to explain why Dave should try surfing (he really shouldn't, ed.), why lobbying MPs in wetsuits is effective, and to shed light on the, well, shitty practices of water companies.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music...2021-01-0342 minSustainababbleSustainababble#196: Juliet Davenport meets SustainababbleThese days energy companies fall over themselves to tell us how good for the planet they are, with varying degrees of chutzpah. When it comes to actual goodness though, Good Energy is unquestionably, well, good: buy leccy from them and you can be confident it comes from the sun or the wind or Jeremy Clarkson's backside, no funny business. More to the point, your money will directly lead to *more* wind and solar power getting built, thereby negating the need for JC's derriere altogether.Juliet Davenport has been the firm's boss for two decades, and joins us to explain what...2020-12-1446 minSustainababbleSustainababble#196: Juliet Davenport meets SustainababbleThese days energy companies fall over themselves to tell us how good for the planet they are, with varying degrees of chutzpah. When it comes to actual goodness though, Good Energy is unquestionably, well, good: buy leccy from them and you can be confident it comes from the sun or the wind or Jeremy Clarkson's backside, no funny business. More to the point, your money will directly lead to *more* wind and solar power getting built, thereby negating the need for JC's derriere altogether. Juliet Davenport has been the firm's boss for two decades, and joins us to explain what...2020-12-1446 minSustainababbleSustainababble#190: Juliet Gellatley meets Sustainababble1 November is World Vegan Day, so what better time to meet the boss of vegan campaign group Viva!, the magnificent Juliet Gellatley.Juliet has been advocating veganism for decades. She's also been breaking into factory farms to film the horrific goings on there and share them with the world (though not the Guardian). We chat about some of the ridiculous questions Juliet's faced over the years (adding to the ouvre in the process, no doubt), why being vegan makes you good in bed, and whether Dale Vince (see episode #46) is going to win his bet that half the UK population...2020-11-0247 minSustainababbleSustainababble#190: Juliet Gellatley meets Sustainababble1 November is World Vegan Day, so what better time to meet the boss of vegan campaign group Viva!, the magnificent Juliet Gellatley.Juliet has been advocating veganism for decades. She's also been breaking into factory farms to film the horrific goings on there and share them with the world (though not the Guardian).We chat about some of the ridiculous questions Juliet's faced over the years (adding to the ouvre in the process, no doubt), why being vegan makes you good in bed, and whether Dale Vince (see episode #46) is going to win his bet that half the UK population...2020-11-0247 minSustainababbleSustainababble#186: Talking ClimateIt is just possible that yelling about wet-bulb temperature and the certain heat death of everything isn't as effective a climate communications strategy as some may think. So what is? Is there A Right Way to discuss ecological destruction? And can it really be true that conversations are opportunities to learn from each other, not just "win" someone round?We put all these questions and more to climate communications expert and friend of the babble Robin Webster, whose job as Senior Programme Lead: Advocacy Communications at the climate communications organisation Climate Outreach is to help people bang on about climate...2020-08-1739 minSustainababbleSustainababble#185: Eco-anxietyWhat if a problem even greater than climate change or ecological collapse is our sense of powerlessness in the face of these crises? Is it our inability to believe we can do anything about the planet frying that is, above anything else, stopping us collectively sorting this shit out?That's the hypothesis of Clover Hogan, climate activist, founder of Force of Nature, and researcher on eco-anxiety, who joins us to get under the skin of the psychological responses to planetary nausing.For younger people, eco-anxiety is becoming particularly widespread and acute - with darn good reason, one might argue. So...2020-08-1046 minSustainababbleSustainababble#184: Robert Llewellyn meets SustainababbleKryten is on the Babble! SMEGGIN' HELL!Robert Llewellyn is an actor and comedian who since 1989 has played angular faced mechanoid Kryten in cult sci-fi classic Red Dwarf. But he's equally well known for presenting the legendary Scrapheap Challenge and, for the last ten years, phenomenally popular YouTube electric car review show Fully Charged. It's like Top Gear, but without bellends or CO2.Once Dave and Ol get over the fanboy thing, Robert talks to us about all things whizzy tech and clean cars, based on 10 years' experience driving and reviewing the things. We learn how EVs might put all...2020-08-0255 minSustainababbleSustainababble#184: Robert Llewellyn meets SustainababbleKryten is on the Babble! SMEGGIN' HELL!Robert Llewellyn is an actor and comedian who since 1989 has played angular faced mechanoid Kryten in cult sci-fi classic Red Dwarf. But he's equally well known for presenting the legendary Scrapheap Challenge and, for the last ten years, phenomenally popular YouTube electric car review show Fully Charged. It's like Top Gear, but without bellends or CO2.Once Dave and Ol get over the fanboy thing, Robert talks to us about all things whizzy tech and clean cars, based on 10 years' experience driving and reviewing the things. We learn how EVs might put all...2020-08-0255 minSustainababbleSustainababble#183: Gillian Burke meets SustainababbleThe BBC's Springwatch is a cultural institution in the UK, showcasing the extraordinary but often overlooked wildlife of these crumbling isles with warts 'n all realism (i.e. lots of baby Blue Tits getting munched). Biologist Gillian Burke has for three years been at the heart of the show's presenting team, earning the nation's affection for her passion and powers of communication as much as for her unblinking resolve in the face of uncooperative protagonists and innuendo-tastic co-presenters.Gillian is also a Black woman in an industry - conservation, nature TV and the environment movement as a whole - notable...2020-07-2657 minSustainababbleSustainababble#183: Gillian Burke meets SustainababbleThe BBC's Springwatch is a cultural institution in the UK, showcasing the extraordinary but often overlooked wildlife of these crumbling isles with warts 'n all realism (i.e. lots of baby Blue Tits getting munched). Biologist Gillian Burke has for three years been at the heart of the show's presenting team, earning the nation's affection for her passion and powers of communication as much as for her unblinking resolve in the face of uncooperative protagonists and innuendo-tastic co-presenters.Gillian is also a Black woman in an industry - conservation, nature TV and the environment movement as a whole - notable...2020-07-2657 minSustainababbleSustainababble#182: Roman Krznaric meets SustainababbleAre you being a good ancestor? Are WE being good ancestors? What the hell is a good ancestor and do I have to buy them a present? Public philosopher Roman Krznaric thinks these are the most important questions we should ask ourselves (well, certainly the first two) if we're to escape the 'tyranny of the now', the hideous short-termism dominating our lives and knackering the planet in the process.His new book ('The Good Ancestor: How to think long term in a short term world') explains how our brains are perfectly capable of serious long-term thinking, despite our apparent crapness...2020-07-2046 minSustainababbleSustainababble#182: Roman Krznaric meets SustainababbleAre you being a good ancestor? Are WE being good ancestors? What the hell is a good ancestor and do I have to buy them a present? Public philosopher Roman Krznaric thinks these are the most important questions we should ask ourselves (well, certainly the first two) if we're to escape the 'tyranny of the now', the hideous short-termism dominating our lives and knackering the planet in the process.His new book ('The Good Ancestor: How to think long term in a short term world') explains how our brains are perfectly capable of serious long-term thinking, despite our apparent crapness...2020-07-2046 minSustainababbleSustainababble#181: LitterThe instant we were allowed out again we covered everything in rubbish: plastic and cans and humous packets and, er, cool boxes and chairs. Why? Has four months of lockdown made us all beserkers, or is this just what it's always like and we'd forgotten? Who's doing the littering anyway? And what even IS litter? We investigate. Also, the Government's promising to give us cash to insulate our homes, which sounds like a good thing. And governments doing good things make us very suspicious indeed. Links to some of the things we talked about: Kirsty McNeil's piece talking about activism...2020-07-1240 minSustainababbleSustainababble#180: Being Ecofriendly"Smash capitalism" is among the least helpful answers people like Dave and Ol give when asked "So what should *I* do to help the planet?". But for most campaignery types, individual lifestyle change plays second or third fiddle to political action and corporate restraint. And - if we're completely honest - we're also luke-warm about personal behaviour change because so many of its proponents are such... hard work. You know, people who tilt their heads to one side and pity the poor soul yet to discover the wonders of £50 biodynamic toothpaste made from upcycled cow shit.HOWEVER, two things are a...2020-07-0644 minSustainababbleSustainababble#179: FootballersModern footballers eh? Spoilt, obscenely rich, carbon-guzzling narcissists who couldn't spell planet, let alone save it. They're an open goal for moralising and high-handery, or at least must have seemed so to the UK Health Secretary when he pooh-poohed players' high pay at the pandemic's outset (omitting, accidentally no doubt, to pass comment on the wages of hedge fund managers or the like).Well, we in Babble towers don't buy that. We're unapologetic disciples of the beautiful game, for all its flaws, and we can't help noticing that, far from conforming to (stereo)type, high profile stars of both the...2020-06-2845 minSustainababbleSustainababble#179: FootballersModern footballers eh? Spoilt, obscenely rich, carbon-guzzling narcissists who couldn't spell planet, let alone save it. They're an open goal for moralising and high-handery, or at least must have seemed so to the UK Health Secretary when he pooh-poohed players' high pay at the pandemic's outset (omitting, accidentally no doubt, to pass comment on the wages of hedge fund managers or the like).Well, we in Babble towers don't buy that. We're unapologetic disciples of the beautiful game, for all its flaws, and we can't help noticing that, far from conforming to (stereo)type, high profile stars of both the...2020-06-2845 minSustainababbleSustainababble#178: Jonathon Porritt meets SustainababbleIf you've taken so much as a passing interest in environmentalism in the UK, you'll have doubtless encountered the campaigner and writer Jonathon Porritt.Since the '70s he's been at the forefront of the wider green movement: prominent in the Ecology party (what became the Green party), running Friends of the Earth, advising the UK Govt and the likes of Kelloggs & Unilever how not to be gits, and now working with the school strikers.Raising eyebrows in the process, he also had a crack at persuading oil companies to see the light, before publicly concluding that they basically don't...2020-06-2250 minSustainababbleSustainababble#178: Jonathon Porritt meets SustainababbleIf you've taken so much as a passing interest in environmentalism in the UK, you'll have doubtless encountered the campaigner and writer Jonathon Porritt.Since the '70s he's been at the forefront of the wider green movement: prominent in the Ecology party (what became the Green party), running Friends of the Earth, advising the UK Govt and the likes of Kelloggs & Unilever how not to be gits, and now working with the school strikers.Raising eyebrows in the process, he also had a crack at persuading oil companies to see the light, before publicly concluding that they basically don't...2020-06-2250 minSustainababbleSustainababble#177: Q&AYou asked, so we filibustered, obfuscated and prevaricated. That's right, just 177 episodes in we've dared to switch from 'broadcast' to 'dialogue' with the babble army, actively soliciting questions from our band of wise and forgiving listeners.We've hand-picked a tasting menu of succulent enquiries from the smörgåsbord submitted. Some are silly, some serious, but all are certified 100% free from sustainababble or inhofery. We're confident your bouche will be amused.Thanks to everyone who took the time to send in questions. Terrificly bigly big up to Julia, Anna, Simon, Claire, Shannon, Emma and Kayleigh, whose Qs we attempt to ad...2020-06-1448 minSustainababbleSustainababble#177: Q&AYou asked, so we filibustered, obfuscated and prevaricated. That's right, just 177 episodes in we've dared to switch from 'broadcast' to 'dialogue' with the babble army, actively soliciting questions from our band of wise and forgiving listeners.We've hand-picked a tasting menu of succulent enquiries from the smörgåsbord submitted. Some are silly, some serious, but all are certified 100% free from sustainababble or inhofery. We're confident your bouche will be amused.Thanks to everyone who took the time to send in questions. Terrificly bigly big up to Julia, Anna, Simon, Claire, Shannon, Emma and Kayleigh, whose Qs we attempt to ad...2020-06-1448 minSustainababbleSustainababble#176: NappiesPoor wee infants can't help it but they *do* produce an awful lot of poo and wee. Ol should know, he's got two of the little, er, darlings. Problem is, said effluvia ends up in nappies (diapers), overwhelmingly 'disposable' ones - thousands of them per child. And the nappies end up in the ground, or being burned to make noxious air for us all to breathe. Yuck. What's a sleep-deprived tree-hugging parent to do? Fresh from his 1,045th day without enough sleep, Ol takes Dave slowly through the basics of why it's so hard to green his babies' bottoms, and...2020-06-0747 minSustainababbleSustainababble#176: NappiesPoor wee infants can't help it but they *do* produce an awful lot of poo and wee. Ol should know, he's got two of the little, er, darlings. Problem is, said effluvia ends up in nappies (diapers), overwhelmingly 'disposable' ones - thousands of them per child. And the nappies end up in the ground, or being burned to make noxious air for us all to breathe. Yuck. What's a sleep-deprived tree-hugging parent to do? Fresh from his 1,045th day without enough sleep, Ol takes Dave slowly through the basics of why it's so hard to green his babies' bottoms, and...2020-06-0747 minSustainababbleSustainababble#175: SwiftsSwifts: bloody 'ell. The weight of a Creme Egg, Apus Apus spend their entire lives in flight; eating, sleeping and shagging on the wing before popping 6,000 miles north to a European roof for a rest and a spot of breeding.As evocative of British summers as drunk men fighting, screeching Swifts have returned to our skies and are bloody noisy - unless and until Ol gets his microphone out, of course.So with World Swift Day coming up (7 June) we get straightforwardly misty-eyed about these avian superstars, and only momentarily distracted by Kanye West.Special thanks to Gavin Gamble for...2020-05-3138 minSustainababbleSustainababble#174: No More CarsA car-free future is hurtling our way faster than even the most ardent greenies dared dream, pre-Covid. Backed into a corner by a pandemic that simply refuses to stop being a dick, mayors throughout Europe are rapidly closing major roads to cars and building cycling infrastructure quicker than you can say “Eddy Merckz ate my chamois cream”. So momentous is this development that Dave even went out on his bike to see the transformation taking place in the city formerly known as Stinky London, and got all emosh in the process. Bless. Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Them...2020-05-2544 minSustainababbleSustainababble#173: PangolinsWhat the world needs in these troubled times is someone to blame. A scapegoat or, in this instance, a scapepangolin.For it turns out everyone's favourite curly, scaley, insect-snuffling-y, heavily trafficked nature weirdos are very much in the dock for unleashing Covid-19 on the world. But is all as it seems? Dave has read some SCIENCE, and reveals all. Also this week, an absolute thug of a plant. If you encounter Giant Hogweed, for pete's sake just give it whatever it wants and back away quietly.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music by the legendary Dicky...2020-05-1747 minSustainababbleSustainababble#172: The BBCCentral to British cultural life, if not quite as dominant as it once was, the Beeb still solicits widespread affection, a refuge of familiarity in these strange times. But many a spleen is vented over Auntie's perceived leftyness or rightyness, and its impartial, 'balanced' editorial stance in news reporting is frequently the subject of attack or riducule, not least in coverage of climageddon. So what really goes on when an angry man in a shed complains, and how exactly does celebrity climate denier Nigel Lawson get a platform on the Today programme? To find out, we speak to Richard Black, 25...2020-05-1043 minSustainababbleSustainababble#171: Mark Lynas meets SustainababbleIf the global pandemic is leaving you wanting more on the existential angst front, try dipping into chapter 6 of journalist and former activist Mark Lynas' new book, 'Our Final Warning', where you'll read that at six degrees of global heating "a wave of mass extinctions threatens life on earth". Theeeeeeere we go, that's the good stuff.The book, to an extent an updated version of 2007's groundbreaking 'Six Degrees', describes the most recent scientific understanding of what we can expect if carbon emissions don’t fall rapidly and temperatures continue to rise. Or, in other words, the civilisation-ending shitstorm that's in...2020-05-0444 minSustainababbleSustainababble#171: Mark Lynas meets SustainababbleIf the global pandemic is leaving you wanting more on the existential angst front, try dipping into chapter 6 of journalist and former activist Mark Lynas' new book, 'Our Final Warning', where you'll read that at six degrees of global heating "a wave of mass extinctions threatens life on earth". Theeeeeeere we go, that's the good stuff.The book, to an extent an updated version of 2007's groundbreaking 'Six Degrees', describes the most recent scientific understanding of what we can expect if carbon emissions don’t fall rapidly and temperatures continue to rise. Or, in other words, the civilisation-ending shitstorm that's in...2020-05-0444 minSustainababbleSustainababble#170: VirusLook, we were supposed to be on a break, but then the world broke. So we're back for a remotely-recorded Covid special. Fair to say this virus lark presents a few challenges on the chuckle front. But despite all the mayhem there are as always Inhofes to be fingered and green shoots of optimism to be nurtured. We roll up our sleeves. Should we truck any sympathy with polluters trying to capitalise on it all? Are you a git if you're happy about the cleaner air and the rampaging goats? And how many pairs of lockdown pants does a chap...2020-04-0949 minSustainababbleSustainababble#169: StopShriek! One of us no longer works for an environmental charity. Is this the end? A more reflective / fewer-knob-jokes episode than usual. What happens when trying to change stuff gets all a bit bloody exhausting? How do we know whether anything we're doing is making the tiniest bit of difference? And - look, we KNOW it's a mid-life crisis, all right? Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music by the legendary Dicky Moore – @dickymoo. Sustainababble logo by the splendid Arthur Stovell. Ecoguff read out by Arabella. Love the babble? Bung us a few pennies at www.patreon.com...2020-03-0837 minSustainababbleSustainababble#168: Who Owns England?It's all very well wanting to plant trees everywhere and stuff like that but you need to own the land first. And we don't. Not only that, we don't even really know who does. But one man knows more than most. Superstar activist Guy Shrubsole spent a very long time digging into who actually holds the deeds to England's green and pleasant land and what he found was proper scandalising. In 2019 his book, Who Owns England, took the papers by storm - both left- and right-wing ones, for different reasons - and is just about to come out in paperback...2020-03-0147 minSustainababbleSustainababble#167: Kate Pankhurst meets SustainababbleChildren's author and illustrator Kate Pankhurst often finds herself addressing classrooms of kids, so she was completely at home chatting to Dave and Ol about her new book, Fantastically Great Women Who Saved The Planet.As the names suggests, the book bigs up a host of incredible women from around the world who have done more than most to stand up for mother Earth. Some are household names, but many aren't, despite their planet-saving (s)heroics.We ask Kate whether that's kinda the point of the book; that were our society and its cultural history somewhat less unequal, the legends...2020-02-2338 minSustainababbleSustainababble#167: Kate Pankhurst meets SustainababbleChildren's author and illustrator Kate Pankhurst often finds herself addressing classrooms of kids, so she was completely at home chatting to Dave and Ol about her new book, Fantastically Great Women Who Saved The Planet.As the names suggests, the book bigs up a host of incredible women from around the world who have done more than most to stand up for mother Earth. Some are household names, but many aren't, despite their planet-saving (s)heroics.We ask Kate whether that's kinda the point of the book; that were our society and its cultural history somewhat less unequal, the legends...2020-02-2338 minSustainababbleSustainababble#166: Chlorine ChickenNow that we've Br-ucked Off, Blighty can look forward to supermarkets chock full of chlorine-drenched poultry. Lucky us (lucky chickens).Why? Because that's how chickens are made in America, goddammit, and Donald Trump smells a finger-lickin' opportunity to sell stinky US chooks to a market newly liberated from Yerp's pesky animal welfare standards.Obviously that's about as far as our understanding of trade goes, so we got someone in to tell us more. Returning guest Sam Lowe (see babble #42), from the Centre for European Reform, joins us to defend his fascination with one of the nerdiest subjects in the world...2020-02-1739 minSustainababbleSustainababble#165: WildfiresAustralia's terrifying bushfires have made the climate emergency seem very real and very immediate. They've forced people everywhere to join the dots in ways previous 'yes obviously it's climate change' disasters haven't. Why? Does it really take a billion animals going up in smoke for people to give global apocalypse more than a passing thought? And is anything going to be different now, politically?Also this week, some truly biblical insect news from East Africa and a newspaper proving that, just occasionally, the least trusted profession can be a force for good.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly...2020-02-1040 minSustainababbleSustainababble#164: Climate AssemblyIn a hotel room in Birmingham, one hundred ordinary people are doing something rather extraordinary. For four weekends, members of the UK's Climate Assembly are discussing - in a polite, constructive, and very un-2020 way - how on earth we achieve what the UK government has decided we will achieve, i.e. naff all climate pollution in 30 years time.What's really special is that these people are not yoghurt weavers like Dave and Ol. They represent a cross-section of society, including climate sceptics, so should arrive at solutions likely to meet with broad public and political approval. In theory.To...2020-02-0339 minSustainababbleSustainababble#163: Jonathan Rowson meets SustainababbleChess Grandmaster Jonathan Rowson won the British Championship three times and has been the no.1 player in Scotland for basically ever. He's so clever, he's got a PhD in 'Wisdom'. That sounds like a joke but it isn't.Jonathan has written extensively about what it is in our heads and our societies that stops us being wiser, and is director of Perspectiva, an organisation that inspires Important People to examine real world problems with a deeper appreciation of the influence of our inner worlds. Problems like climate change, which is a principal theme in his new book, The Moves That...2019-12-2952 minSustainababbleSustainababble#163: Jonathan Rowson meets SustainababbleChess Grandmaster Jonathan Rowson won the British Championship three times and has been the no.1 player in Scotland for basically ever. He's so clever, he's got a PhD in 'Wisdom'. That sounds like a joke but it isn't.Jonathan has written extensively about what it is in our heads and our societies that stops us being wiser, and is director of Perspectiva, an organisation that inspires Important People to examine real world problems with a deeper appreciation of the influence of our inner worlds. Problems like climate change, which is a principal theme in his new book, The Moves That...2019-12-2952 minSustainababbleSustainababble#155: Beavers meet SustainababbleIn this special episode, Dave and Ol leave stinky London behind and head off to rainy, muddy Cornwall to try to meet some actual beavers. Without wellies. It's been 400 years since the humble but sodding impressive beaver was wiped out in the UK due to having nice-smelling undercarriages. Now, a handful of rewilders are starting to reintroduce them - including organic farmer, sausage chaser and beaver fancier, Chris Jones. With the help of Babble listener extraordinaire Abi, we visited Chris's farm to see these fabby rodents up close. Thanks massively to Chris Jones (@kernowbeaver) and Abi Beath for all the...2019-11-0345 minSustainababbleSustainababble#155: Beavers meet SustainababbleIn this special episode, Dave and Ol leave stinky London behind and head off to rainy, muddy Cornwall to try to meet some actual beavers. Without wellies. It's been 400 years since the humble but sodding impressive beaver was wiped out in the UK due to having nice-smelling undercarriages. Now, a handful of rewilders are starting to reintroduce them - including organic farmer, sausage chaser and beaver fancier, Chris Jones. With the help of Babble listener extraordinaire Abi, we visited Chris's farm to see these fabby rodents up close. Thanks massively to Chris Jones (@kernowbeaver) and Abi Beath for all the...2019-11-0345 minSustainababbleSustainababble#149: Naomi Oreskes meets SustainababbleWe chat to an actual proper Harvard Professor, blessed with a brain as large as her laugh. Author, activist and splendid person Naomi Oreskes - crusading scourge of Inhofes everywhere - tells us why we should trust science (spoiler: because it's science). In a giggle-packed natter, Dave and Ol learn all about how science is done when it's done properly, how come so many Americans think climate change is a communist lie, and what you should do if your dentist smells of pork. All this, and Dave gets a proper telling off for his terrible interview technique - not before...2019-09-2241 minSustainababbleSustainababble#149: Naomi Oreskes meets SustainababbleWe chat to an actual proper Harvard Professor, blessed with a brain as large as her laugh. Author, activist and splendid person Naomi Oreskes - crusading scourge of Inhofes everywhere - tells us why we should trust science (spoiler: because it's science). In a giggle-packed natter, Dave and Ol learn all about how science is done when it's done properly, how come so many Americans think climate change is a communist lie, and what you should do if your dentist smells of pork. All this, and Dave gets a proper telling off for his terrible interview technique - not before...2019-09-2241 minSustainababbleSustainababble#135: Asad Rehman meets SustainababbleAsad is, according to his twitter bio, a "general activist against all bad things". And then some. Currently the Executive Director of anti poverty charity War on Want, for 10 years Asad led Friends of the Earth's international climate work, putting justice and the voices of the global South at the heart of civil society's demands during UN climate talks. We chat to Asad about his decades of anti-racism activism, the failings of the environment movement and what can be done about it, and why a Green New Deal for America won't cut the mustard. Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast...2019-02-1139 minSustainababbleSustainababble#135: Asad Rehman meets SustainababbleAsad is, according to his twitter bio, a "general activist against all bad things". And then some.Currently the Executive Director of anti poverty charity War on Want, for 10 years Asad led Friends of the Earth's international climate work, putting justice and the voices of the global South at the heart of civil society's demands during UN climate talks.We chat to Asad about his decades of anti-racism activism, the failings of the environment movement and what can be done about it, and why a Green New Deal for America won't cut the mustard.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast...2019-02-1139 minSustainababbleSustainababble#133: Caroline Lucas meets SustainababbleCaroline Lucas - CAROLINE LUCAS! -  is the UK's first and only Green MP, former party leader, former MEP, and pretty much the lone voice of sanity in any political debate. Oh and she got nicked for protesting fracking. And she wore a "No More Page Three" t-shirt in Parliament. And she pwned Jacob Rees-Mogg in a recent brexit debate. We're quite big fans. As another year of enviro-catastrophe draws to a close, Caroline chats exclusively to the Babble about trying to get shit done in Parliament, why there aren't more Green politicians around, what she thinks of Extinction Rebellion a...2018-12-3132 minSustainababbleSustainababble#133: Caroline Lucas meets SustainababbleCaroline Lucas - CAROLINE LUCAS! -  is the UK's first and only Green MP, former party leader, former MEP, and pretty much the lone voice of sanity in any political debate.Oh and she got nicked for protesting fracking. And she wore a "No More Page Three" t-shirt in Parliament. And she pwned Jacob Rees-Mogg in a recent brexit debate. We're quite big fans.As another year of enviro-catastrophe draws to a close, Caroline chats exclusively to the Babble about trying to get shit done in Parliament, why there aren't more Green politicians around, what she thinks of Extinction Rebellion a...2018-12-3132 minSustainababbleSustainababble#131: Molly Scott Cato meets SustainababbleFor the past 4 years Molly has been a Member of the European Parliament, from where she's championed all sorts of planet-saving causes. Now heavily involved in Extinction Rebellion, she's simultaneously breaking and making the law. We chat to Molly about protest, the Gilets Jaunes, hope, and of course squeeze in some pointy-headed green economics chat. Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music by the legendary Dicky Moore – @dickymoo. Sustainababble logo by the splendid Arthur Stovell. MERCH: sustainababble.teemill.com Available on iTunes, Spotify, Acast, Soundcloud & all those types of things, or at sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @the...2018-12-1737 minSustainababbleSustainababble#131: Molly Scott Cato meets SustainababbleFor the past 4 years Molly has been a Member of the European Parliament, from where she's championed all sorts of planet-saving causes. Now heavily involved in Extinction Rebellion, she's simultaneously breaking and making the law.We chat to Molly about protest, the Gilets Jaunes, hope, and of course squeeze in some pointy-headed green economics chat.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music by the legendary Dicky Moore – @dickymoo. Sustainababble logo by the splendid Arthur Stovell.MERCH: sustainababble.teemill.comAvailable on iTunes, Spotify, Acast, Soundcloud & all those types of things, or at sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and...2018-12-1737 minSustainababbleSustainababble#121: William Doyle meets SustainababbleAs East India Youth, electronic musician William Doyle has been nominated for a Mercury music prize and travelled the world promoting two highly successful albums. But the physical and emotional stresses of his own touring led him to ask whether musicians and the industry at large in anyway faces up to its environmental impact, and how it might change.William joins us to discuss what can be done, why U2 aren't actually all that bad, and how ramming climate change down people's throats, muscially speaking, leaves a lot to be desired.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme...2018-10-0843 minSustainababbleSustainababble#121: William Doyle meets SustainababbleAs East India Youth, electronic musician William Doyle has been nominated for a Mercury music prize and travelled the world promoting two highly successful albums. But the physical and emotional stresses of his own touring led him to ask whether musicians and the industry at large in anyway faces up to its environmental impact, and how it might change. William joins us to discuss what can be done, why U2 aren't actually all that bad, and how ramming climate change down people's throats, muscially speaking, leaves a lot to be desired. Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme...2018-10-0843 minSustainababbleSustainababble#119: Vybarr Cregan-Reid meets SustainababbleVybarr is not only the most fabulously named babble guest we've had, but also the author of TWO incredible books about humans and our environment.His new book - Primate Change: How the world we made is remaking us - uncovers the extraordinary tale of how our environment has changed our bodies, from our eyes and teeth down to our toes, while 2017's Footnotes: How running makes us human reconnects us to our bodies and the places in which we live.We pick Vybarr's mega brain in a wide ranging chat, during which - as well as discovering how the...2018-09-2443 minSustainababbleSustainababble#119: Vybarr Cregan-Reid meets SustainababbleVybarr is not only the most fabulously named babble guest we've had, but also the author of TWO incredible books about humans and our environment. His new book - Primate Change: How the world we made is remaking us - uncovers the extraordinary tale of how our environment has changed our bodies, from our eyes and teeth down to our toes, while 2017's Footnotes: How running makes us human reconnects us to our bodies and the places in which we live. We pick Vybarr's mega brain in a wide ranging chat, during which - as well as discovering how the...2018-09-2443 minSustainababbleSustainababble#97: George Monbiot meets SustainababbleEnvironmentalist. Author. Guardian columnist. Campaigner. Brain on legs. We grab some time at home with George Monbiot, everyone's favourite font of wisdom. In a wide-ranging babblechat, we find out why everyone being so bloody lonely is knackering the Earth, and how we can come together and make it all better again. Can saying hello to our neighbours more often really save the planet? We also chat rewilding and the perils of being a professional miseryguts. And Ol sneaks in a question he promised he wouldn't ask, but did anyway. Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music by th...2017-11-2640 minSustainababbleSustainababble#97: George Monbiot meets SustainababbleEnvironmentalist. Author. Guardian columnist. Campaigner. Brain on legs. We grab some time at home with George Monbiot, everyone's favourite font of wisdom.In a wide-ranging babblechat, we find out why everyone being so bloody lonely is knackering the Earth, and how we can come together and make it all better again. Can saying hello to our neighbours more often really save the planet?We also chat rewilding and the perils of being a professional miseryguts. And Ol sneaks in a question he promised he wouldn't ask, but did anyway.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music by th...2017-11-2640 minSustainababbleSustainababble#96: John Vidal meets SustainababbleFor 27 years John Vidal was environment editor at The Guardian, scouring the world to bring underreported environmental issues to light.John talks to us about his latest story - the remarkable discovery of billions of tonnes of carbon-rich peat in the Congo basin - as well as some of the more hair-raising moments from his three decades of reporting on the state of the planet.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme and other music by the legendary Dicky Moore – https://soundcloud.com/dickymooAvailable on iTunes, Acast, Soundcloud & all those types of things, or at sustainababble.fish. Visit us...2017-11-2034 minSustainababbleSustainababble#96: John Vidal meets SustainababbleFor 27 years John Vidal was environment editor at The Guardian, scouring the world to bring underreported environmental issues to light. John talks to us about his latest story - the remarkable discovery of billions of tonnes of carbon-rich peat in the Congo basin - as well as some of the more hair-raising moments from his three decades of reporting on the state of the planet. Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme and other music by the legendary Dicky Moore – https://soundcloud.com/dickymoo Available on iTunes, Acast, Soundcloud & all those types of things, or at sustainababble.fish. Vis...2017-11-2034 minSustainababbleSustainababble#93: Liz Bonnin meets SustainababbleWe meet that Liz Bonnin off of TV and science to talk about the Galapagos Islands. It's far away, an ecological wonder, and slowly getting ruined by plastic. Liz tells us what needs to be done.In our exclusive chat at the Royal Geographical Society, we learn why anteaters don't need straws, why being green is trendy, and what keeps Liz feeling optimistic despite it all.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme and other music by the legendary Dicky Moore – https://soundcloud.com/dickymooAvailable on iTunes, Acast, Soundcloud & all those types of things, or at sustainababble.fish. Visi...2017-10-2928 minSustainababbleSustainababble#93: Liz Bonnin meets SustainababbleWe meet that Liz Bonnin off of TV and science to talk about the Galapagos Islands. It's far away, an ecological wonder, and slowly getting ruined by plastic. Liz tells us what needs to be done. In our exclusive chat at the Royal Geographical Society, we learn why anteaters don't need straws, why being green is trendy, and what keeps Liz feeling optimistic despite it all. Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme and other music by the legendary Dicky Moore – https://soundcloud.com/dickymoo Available on iTunes, Acast, Soundcloud & all those types of things, or at sustainababble.fish...2017-10-2928 minSustainababbleSustainababble#87: Bruce Parry meets SustainababbleBAFTA award winning BBC presenter Bruce Parr, star of ‘Tribe’, ‘Amazon’ and ‘Arctic’, tells us all about his brand new film ‘Tawai: A Voice From The Forest’.As well as revealing the extraordinary stories behind the film - and what on earth a Tawai is when it’s at home - Bruce is candid in explaining some of the formative experiences in his own life.Check out the film at https://www.tawai.earth/Additional music by David Szesztay, Ibuki Fkuda and Satellite Ensemble.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme and other music by the legendary Dicky Moore – https://sou...2017-09-1740 minSustainababbleSustainababble#87: Bruce Parry meets SustainababbleBAFTA award winning BBC presenter Bruce Parr, star of ‘Tribe’, ‘Amazon’ and ‘Arctic’, tells us all about his brand new film ‘Tawai: A Voice From The Forest’. As well as revealing the extraordinary stories behind the film - and what on earth a Tawai is when it’s at home - Bruce is candid in explaining some of the formative experiences in his own life. Check out the film at https://www.tawai.earth/ Additional music by David Szesztay, Ibuki Fkuda and Satellite Ensemble. Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme and other music by the legendary Dicky Moore – https://sou...2017-09-1740 minSustainababbleSustainababble#77: Kate Raworth meets SustainababbleWhat's wrong with economics? EVERYTHING. That's what Dave & Ol found out when they interviewed the brainy & bags of fun 'renegade economist', Kate Raworth.Kate explained that saving the planet means thinking like a doughnut, that the 21st century needs a new economics, sharpish, and that maybe books can save the world after all.Her new book, 'Doughnut Economics: 7 ways to think like a 21st century economist' is out now. Kate's website is http://www.kateraworth.com, she's on twitter @kateraworth, or Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/doughnuteconomics.Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly.Music by Dicky Moore...2017-04-1629 minSustainababbleSustainababble#77: Kate Raworth meets SustainababbleWhat's wrong with economics? EVERYTHING. That's what Dave & Ol found out when they interviewed the brainy & bags of fun 'renegade economist', Kate Raworth. Kate explained that saving the planet means thinking like a doughnut, that the 21st century needs a new economics, sharpish, and that maybe books can save the world after all. Her new book, 'Doughnut Economics: 7 ways to think like a 21st century economist' is out now. Kate's website is http://www.kateraworth.com, she's on twitter @kateraworth, or Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/doughnuteconomics. Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Music by Dicky Moore...2017-04-1629 minSustainababbleSustainababble#75: Stanley Johnson meets SustainababbleWriter, politician, former Eurocrat, lifelong environmentalist, fearsome Remainer - oh yeah, and he's also Boris's dad. Dave and Ol chat all things Brexit with Stanley Johnson.Stanley tells us all about his hopes and (mostly) fears for the environment after Brexit, stands up for the great British newt, and tells us what he can see at the bottom of his garden.Sustainababble is your weekly podcast about the environment, with jokes.Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft and Dream Themes.Available on iTunes, Acast, Soundcloud, and all those types of things, or at sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and at Fa...2017-04-0227 minSustainababbleSustainababble#75: Stanley Johnson meets SustainababbleWriter, politician, former Eurocrat, lifelong environmentalist, fearsome Remainer - oh yeah, and he's also Boris's dad. Dave and Ol chat all things Brexit with Stanley Johnson. Stanley tells us all about his hopes and (mostly) fears for the environment after Brexit, stands up for the great British newt, and tells us what he can see at the bottom of his garden. Sustainababble is your weekly podcast about the environment, with jokes. Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft and Dream Themes. Available on iTunes, Acast, Soundcloud, and all those types of things, or at sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and at Fa...2017-04-0227 minSustainababbleSustainababble#60: Amy Liptrot meets SustainababbleOl and Dave chat to Amy Liptrot about The Outrun, Amy's phenomenally successful debut book in which she discovers how the wild can restore life and renew hope.Recently out in paperback, The Outrun is this year's winner of the Wainwright prize for UK nature and travel writing, and Waterstones' September 2016 non-fiction book of the month.More importantly, it's bloody amazing, and you should buy it and read it.Photo of Amy Liptrot (c) The Orcadian.Songs featured in this week's episode include:Birdwoman by Poppy Ackroyd; The Silver Birch by The Magnetic North; Wasting My Young Years by London...2016-09-0437 minSustainababbleSustainababble#60: Amy Liptrot meets SustainababbleOl and Dave chat to Amy Liptrot about The Outrun, Amy's phenomenally successful debut book in which she discovers how the wild can restore life and renew hope. Recently out in paperback, The Outrun is this year's winner of the Wainwright prize for UK nature and travel writing, and Waterstones' September 2016 non-fiction book of the month. More importantly, it's bloody amazing, and you should buy it and read it. Photo of Amy Liptrot (c) The Orcadian. Songs featured in this week's episode include: Birdwoman by Poppy Ackroyd; The Silver Birch by The Magnetic North; Wasting My Young Years by London...2016-09-0437 minSustainababbleSustainababble#46: Dale Vince meets SustainababbleIn the early 1990s Dale Vince was a New Age traveller living on a hill in Stroud. Now he is boss of the UK’s best known green energy firm, Ecotricity, which is worth £100m, and runs the world’s only all-vegan football club. Dave and Ol went to Stroud to interview surely the only man on the planet who's convinced footballers to eat tofu. Sustainababble is your weekly comedy podcast about politics, prattle and the planet. Out Mondays. Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft and Dream Themes. Available on iTunes, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and on sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabb...2016-03-0635 minSustainababbleSustainababble#46: Dale Vince meets SustainababbleIn the early 1990s Dale Vince was a New Age traveller living on a hill in Stroud. Now he is boss of the UK’s best known green energy firm, Ecotricity, which is worth £100m, and runs the world’s only all-vegan football club.Dave and Ol went to Stroud to interview surely the only man on the planet who's convinced footballers to eat tofu.Sustainababble is your weekly comedy podcast about politics, prattle and the planet. Out Mondays.Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft and Dream Themes.Available on iTunes, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and on sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabb...2016-03-0635 minSustainababbleSustainababble#38: Tony Juniper meets SustainababbleTo kick off 2016 we serve up an interview with writer, environmentalist and campaigner extraordinaire Tony Juniper. Dave and Ol ask if the recent Paris deal is much cop, whether sticking a price tag on nature is a good idea, and what Tony thinks 2016 will hold for the planet. Enjoy! Sustainababble is your weekly comedy podcast about politics, prattle and the planet. Out Mondays. Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft and Dream Themes. Available on iTunes, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and on sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and at Facebook.com/sustainababble2016-01-0341 minSustainababbleSustainababble#38: Tony Juniper meets SustainababbleTo kick off 2016 we serve up an interview with writer, environmentalist and campaigner extraordinaire Tony Juniper.Dave and Ol ask if the recent Paris deal is much cop, whether sticking a price tag on nature is a good idea, and what Tony thinks 2016 will hold for the planet.Enjoy!Sustainababble is your weekly comedy podcast about politics, prattle and the planet. Out Mondays.Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft and Dream Themes.Available on iTunes, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and on sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and at Facebook.com/sustainababble2016-01-0341 minSustainababbleSustainababble#24: Chris Packham meets SustainababbleWe only went to interview Chris Packham - star of Springwatch, Autumnwatch & The Really Wild Show! And his dogs.In our exclusive natter, we ask Chris whether there's any room for 'tradition' when it comes to protecting wildlife. We find out what he thinks about rotters who kill animals for fun, and discuss whether poor ol' pandas are indeed up an evolutionary creek without a paddle.Chris even finds time to tell us what he thinks about fracking. And, we ask him what his favourite environmental song is - or are they all indeed rubbish?Sustainababble is your weekly comedy pod...2015-09-2748 minSustainababbleSustainababble#24: Chris Packham meets SustainababbleWe only went to interview Chris Packham - star of Springwatch, Autumnwatch & The Really Wild Show! And his dogs. In our exclusive natter, we ask Chris whether there's any room for 'tradition' when it comes to protecting wildlife. We find out what he thinks about rotters who kill animals for fun, and discuss whether poor ol' pandas are indeed up an evolutionary creek without a paddle. Chris even finds time to tell us what he thinks about fracking. And, we ask him what his favourite environmental song is - or are they all indeed rubbish? Sustainababble is your weekly comedy pod...2015-09-2748 minSustainababbleSustainababble#23b: Dr Karl meets SustainababbleBlimey! Australia's legendary Dr Karl Kruszelnicki talks exclusively to Ol and Dave.Is climate change real? Is it going to be bad? What should we do about it? And whose fault is it that we're not doing enough?All this and some scientific explanations of how solar power works, and why marital relations can make you temporarily deaf.Sustainababble is your weekly comedy podcast about politics, prattle and the planet. Out Mondays.Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft and Dream Themes.Available on iTunes, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and on sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and at Facebook.com/sustainababble2015-09-2241 minSustainababbleSustainababble#23b: Dr Karl meets SustainababbleBlimey! Australia's legendary Dr Karl Kruszelnicki talks exclusively to Ol and Dave. Is climate change real? Is it going to be bad? What should we do about it? And whose fault is it that we're not doing enough? All this and some scientific explanations of how solar power works, and why marital relations can make you temporarily deaf. Sustainababble is your weekly comedy podcast about politics, prattle and the planet. Out Mondays. Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft and Dream Themes. Available on iTunes, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and on sustainababble.fish. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and at Facebook.com/sustainababble2015-09-2241 minSustainababbleSustainababbleExtra: Sustainababble Live!Here's an extra treat. Sustainababble Live! Caution - contains a few naughtier (than usual) words. We recently did a 15-minute set, live from the stage at the Hackney Attic.  Thanks to Dave Pickering, Alice Bell & all at Stand Up Tragedy (@standup4tragedy / http://www.standuptragedy.co.uk) for having us! Sustainababble is a weekly podcast for and by greeny types who don’t really know what’s going on. It comes out every Monday. Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft. Available on iTunes, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and on the sustainababble website. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and at Facebook.com/sustainababble2015-06-2117 minSustainababbleSustainababbleExtra: Sustainababble Live!Here's an extra treat. Sustainababble Live! Caution - contains a few naughtier (than usual) words.We recently did a 15-minute set, live from the stage at the Hackney Attic.  Thanks to Dave Pickering, Alice Bell & all at Stand Up Tragedy (@standup4tragedy / http://www.standuptragedy.co.uk) for having us!Sustainababble is a weekly podcast for and by greeny types who don’t really know what’s going on. It comes out every Monday.Music by Dicky Moore from Bearcraft.Available on iTunes, Stitcher, Soundcloud, and on the sustainababble website. Visit us at @thebabblewagon and at Facebook.com/sustainababble2015-06-2117 min