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When Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Camping, Porkchop Juice + Stolen PretzelsWe are chatting about camping today, as a follow up to Kristy’s episode this week. Diane shares a story about porkchop juice and Suz shares a story about stolen pretzels with cinderella birds. We also 100% recognize that maybe these stories are why we have both become glampers instead of campers… Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming...2022-06-0412 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Meditative Laundry Session?4AM: Meditative Laundry Diane wants to know if folding laundry can count as self care. Suz wants to know why Diane walks so fast. This one is all over the place. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please...2022-05-2706 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Pole Racing, a Henna Penis + MoreJoin us for a trip down memory lane with Kristen as she shares stories of hospital shenanigans and treatment recovery slumber parties with her sister Samantha. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a rating and a...2022-05-1511 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsKristen | Smiling While GrievingKristen is a “cancer sibling” who vulnerably opens up with us about what it was like to lose her sister (and later her mother) to cancer. She shares how her family created as much joy as they could during tough hospital stays, how they hung onto memories with family vacations, and how they found hope for the medically complex community with their nonprofit called Samantha Makes It a Little Easier - SMILE. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Receiving your sister’s cancer diagnosis as an older sibling Creating good times and bond...2022-05-1156 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Sleep spitting + Who Ha Pills + Whatever Suz talked aboutThis is NOT a 5 minutes at 4AM. We are updating you a bit on the pod, talking about next week’s guest and the memorial garden she is building in Suz’s backyard, sleep talking and spitting, AND vitamins for the who ha… All of this for Mothers Day. Happy 4AM. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming st...2022-05-0721 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Does wine count as self care?Amanda joins Suz to talk about self care for moms. We recently polled moms in the When Autumn Comes Society and throughout social media to find out what they do for themselves when they have five or more minutes of alone time… Links and resources: Hampton Roads Yoga: www.hrvayoga.com Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical...2022-04-2911 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsAmanda Rogers, MA, LPC | Mental Load of Medical MotherhoodAmanda Rogers, Licensed Professional Counselor is back to share her wisdom with our community of medical caregivers. When I was preparing for this episode I was able to find plenty of information on the mental load of mothers, but nothing specific to medical mothers. So today we are chatting about it! Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Defining “Mental Load” The effect of carrying a heavy mental burden Tactics to manage the things you cannot change Finding a Therapist Links and resources: Looking for a therapist? Start here: www.psycho...2022-04-2733 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Spring Break at CVSDiane shares alllll the mishaps of her Spring Break vacation to Florida and it’s hilarious. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a rating and a review? Thanks! 2022-04-2513 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsMarion | Stoic Irish MamaMarion’s daughter, Sarah, was diagnosed with a rare form of Leukemia at 14 years old. Together, with the rest of their family, they faced the rollercoaster of treatment, relapse, stem cell transplant and all of the emotions that come with it. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Rare cancer diagnosis at 14 years old Relapse 6.5 years out from remission Patient and Mama roles when patient becomes an adult Critical Care at two different hospitals The mom after the medical treatments are over Survivors Guilt Links and resources: Follow us on Facebook: www.fac...2022-04-2041 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsSpring BreakDo “normal moms” have to spend thirty minutes talking about how spring break makes them feel all the feels? Suz and Diane candidly talk about all the emotions they are feeling as they embark on time away from home. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Do you stay busy or do you unwind on vacation? Dividing the family for vacation More to my story Links and resources: Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Join the WAC Society to talk about all things pod related: www.facebook.com/WhenAu...2022-04-0632 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsAlycia | Widening DoorsToday’s special guest is Alycia Anderson. She is a motivational speaker, a rockstar at tennis, and has an identical twin sister. She was also born with sacral agenesis and has been a wheelchair user since birth. This conversation will educate and empower everyone who listens. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Letting our children surprise us with what they can do Advocating in the 70s Independent without Mom and Dad Defining “Disabling Ableism” Open conversations amongst humans Attributes in Corporate America Links and resources: alyciaanderson.com Alycia’s TEDx Talk Di...2022-03-301h 01When Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsRe-Entry After A PandemicToday Aubree joins us as we all talk about what “re-entry” looks like for our immunocompromised, medically complex families as COVID precautions are rolling back and the world is returning to some form of normal. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: How our family has been affected Post-Pandemic anxieties Empathy, compassion and respect Links and resources: For more information on feed tubes: www.feedingtubeawareness.org Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Join the WAC Society to talk about all things pod related: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Instag...2022-03-1138 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Covid HairAnyone else struggling with hair these days? Diane dishes on why we all have baby hair and Suz tries to convince Di to do mom-hair tutorials… Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a rating and a r...2022-03-0407 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsKimberly | BookendsHave you ever wondered if the world would treat your children differently if their disability was lesser or greater, physical or intellectual, or maybe even something as “simple” as whether or not they could smile? Today’s mom, Kimberly, has four boys - two of which have disabilities. One has a physical disability and the other has an intellectual disability. This gives her family a very unique perspective on this sometimes rocky journey of parenthood. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Intellectual disability vs. physical disability Facing questions about terminating because “something is wrong” You...2022-03-0254 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Childhood Celebrity CrushesOh hey, bonus content: We are dishing on our childhood celebrity crushes and comparing them to our husbands! Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a rating and a review? Thanks! 2022-02-2506 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsLou | 1800 SignaturesToday we are talking with a Special Education teacher who has seen so many inclusive changes throughout her 42 years of teaching. Lou talks to us today about how fought for changes for her kids, how she pushed her students to be the best they can be, and how she created a special education student-run coffee shop that has led to kids finding jobs throughout our community! Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Hidden talents + sass How inclusion changed throughout her career Ask questions about their abilities Experiences outside of the classroom Riv...2022-02-231h 01When Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsAnticipatory Grief with SarahSarah is stepping in as a guest co-hostess this week to talk with Suz about anticipatory grief. Both of these mamas have two children with life threatening diseases. Both mamas are incredibly open and honest about a form of grief that is rarely discussed. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Balancing fear and hope Grief paired with mom-guilt Symptoms of Anticipatory Grief: fear, anxiety, rehearsal of death Anticipatory grief vs. Grief after loss Social Media Coping with anticipatory grief Links and resources: For more information on feed tubes: www.fe...2022-02-161h 14When Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: TubieBerriesIt is Feeding Tube Awareness Week! Amy is joining us to share a now-it’s-funny tubie story with us! Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a rating and a review? Thanks!2022-02-1108 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsLet Them Lick the Butter | Feeding Tube AwarenessIt is the annual Feeding Tube Awareness Week! A time for people to share a bit about their journey as “Tubie Families” and not only educate those outside of our community, but support those within our community who are still navigating their way with a tube fed child. Danielle, our guest hostess, joins Suz to talk about their experiences with feeding tubes today! Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Fears and anxiety about getting a tube The first time it was pulled Tips and Tricks Feeding tube myths and the truths Links and res...2022-02-0940 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Dream JobsToday's 4AM Bonus Topic: If you could have any job, other than your own, in a make believe world, what would you do and why? Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a rating and a rev...2022-02-0405 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsMeredith | Part Two | The FeastLast week we met Meredith and learned about her family of four children, two of which have disabilities. Today Meredith is talking about her journey as a special needs mom who is also homeschooling her kids. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Making the decision to homeschool Support for special education homeschooling Charlotte Mason and the feast Links and resources: Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Join the WAC Society to talk about all things pod related: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Catch up with Suz...2022-02-0234 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Bad Haircuts4AM: Bad Haircuts Suz asked Diane about all the bad haircuts she has ever given. We dive into the psychology and artistry behind hair cutting and mullets. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a r...2022-01-2807 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsMeredith |Part One | God’s Puzzle PiecesMeredith is a mom of four children, including one who has cerebral palsy and another who has down syndrome. Today’s episode was as if two new mom friends sat down and had coffee together. We bonded over things like medical trauma and PTSD, chatted about life receiving heavy news over the phone, and marveled in the beauty that this chaotic life still gives us. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Receiving a Down Syndrome diagnosis over the phone Adjusting as a family with two disabled children ICU Trauma + PTSD What it's like being a mili...2022-01-2653 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Planners for Planners4AM: Planners for Planners Are you a paper planner person or a digital planner person? Or maybe you are a no-planner person. We are chatting about that and a few other nonsensical things today! Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you e...2022-01-2209 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsChanning | Cozying Up with AnxietyChanning is a rare disease mama who has faced many ups and lots of downs over the last decade of motherhood. Her daughter, Peytan, has a condition called Cystinosis and is in need of a kidney donation. Today Channing is bravely opening up with us about how her anxiety has affected her and her family as they face the unknowns of a rare disease. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Peytan was diagnosed with Cystinosis at 15 months old Parenting a rare disease child and a healthy child together Living vs deceased k...2022-01-1948 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Oh hey, 2022 IntentionsWe are so excited to be back! Today we are chatting about resolutions, surviving a half marathon, if Diane ate less cheese dip in ‘21, finding therapy, and our goals for 2022. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please leave u...2022-01-1411 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsMilestones + GoalsHello Season TWO in 2022! Today Suz and Diane are kicking off the new season back together, talking about milestones and goals for our medically complex, disabled children. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Do you actually do all the goals? Inch-stones vs Milestones Checklists and boxes Links and resources: Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Join the WAC Society to talk about all things pod related: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Catch up with Suz: @suzgeoghegan on insta See what Diane is up to...2022-01-1232 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsOne YearOne year of amazing stories. One year of inspirational guests. One year of learning how to use our mics. One year of friendships. One year of hope. It has been a year. Thank you all for being on this journey with us. Today we are sharing a conversation between Suz and Diane that is our wrap up episode for 2021. Will see see you all again in 2022! Links and resources: Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Join the WAC Society to talk about all things pod related: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on I...2021-12-1525 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsJen - Part 2 | Beauty from AshesJen’s story has so many layers, it deserved two episodes! This week we are talking about a life changing decision Jen and her husband made to place their son Silas in a facility for disabled children. Jen openly talks about the decision making process, the grief and guilt she felt, and the blessings and heartaches she has experienced because of this decision. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Home health Lack of services when the family needs it Placing your child in a health facility Facing the valleys of grief, decis...2021-12-0857 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsJen - Part 1 | Eating the Elephant(s)Trauma. Grief. Heartache. I know so many of us face these things on a daily basis. Today’s story is no different. Years into her journey, Jen is able to share details of her family, specifically of her two boys Carter and Silas. Hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis tragically changed life as Jen knew it, forever. Topics we talked about that you do not want to miss: Carter and an “ear infection” Silas born prematurely Deja vu: fighting for Silas’ life Going from a typical healthy child to a disabled child in four months Losing 99% of your son Links and reso...2021-12-0148 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsWhat Makes You Grateful?YOU give us hope and we are incredibly grateful for the support you have given us. At the end of every episode we ask our guests “What gives you hope?” but not today! Today we are getting ready for Thanksgiving! Earlier this month we asked you to call the When Autumn Comes Hotline and tell us what you are grateful for. In this episode you will hear what people all over the country are grateful for this Thanksgiving. Many thanks to everyone who took time from their busy lives to call and to be part of this episode. Happy Thanksgi...2021-11-2426 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: EICU (Elf Intensive Care Unit)This is your warning: There is no real point to this 4AM Bonus Content. We try to talk about Holiday shopping and somehow end up chatting about the EICU. (Elf Intensive Care Unit… Duh…) Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed thi...2021-11-1906 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability MomsUnexpected GratitudeThis ride y’all… it’s a crazy one. A lot of us somehow ended up on a path we never expected to be on. It can be dark and cold, scary and lonely. But it can also be bright and warm, encouraging and friendly. Today Suz and Diane talk about the unexpected joys and gratitude they have as moms of disabled children. Convos we shared that you can’t miss: Perspective Friendships Slowing down, being present Empathy Experiences and opportunities Inclusion Links and resources: Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Join the WAC Socie...2021-11-1741 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Holiday Grief PieThis 4AM STARTED as a traditional When Autumn Comes episode but Suz and Diane got side tracked talking about pie and… well now it’s 4AM. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upcoming stories of medical and special needs parenting from families like yours. And, if you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a rating and a rev...2021-11-1207 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Botox, Bracelets + BeautyIt has been over a month since Suz and Di saw each other. Today they are reconnecting for the first time and chatting about so many things. Suz shares the details about botox and Lorelei’s Wishbeads Cause Bracelet that is now available, Diane talks about her Garden Elf and skin care products! There is also a lot of rambling but it’s fun rambling so we hope y’all join the convo in the When Autumn Comes Society! Links and resources: Lorelei’s Wishbeads Bracelet: www.suzgeoghegan.com/wishbeads BeautyCounter with Diane: www.beautycounter.com/dianeerdma...2021-11-0527 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: We Are TOGETHER!For the first time ever, Suz and Di meet IN PERSON. They share a bit about their time together and we quickly realize that they are much better at recording separately than together. Sorry for the not-so-stellar audio but it was windy and they were socially distant, on the porch, in the rain, wearing matching Lauren Daigle merch from the concert the night before. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make...2021-10-1524 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Workout-ishDon’t forget that for now, as Suz is trying to get back into the swing of things with life, we are flip flopping our traditional WAC episodes with our 4AM content. This week you are getting a candid 4AM Mom Convo about working out, or lack thereof, with special guest, Benji. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upc...2021-10-0116 minWhen Autumn Comes: Seasons of Hope for Medical + Disability Moms4AM: Online Shopping-ishDon’t forget that for now, as Suz is trying to get back into the swing of things with life, we are flip flopping our traditional WAC episodes with our 4AM content. This week you are getting a candid 4AM Mom Convo about online shopping, life and our new “drop the ish” segment. Links and resources: Follow Suz: @suzgeoghegan Follow Di: @diane.kay.erdman Join the conversation: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesSociety Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/WhenAutumnComesPodcast Follow us on Instagram: @WhenAutumnComesPodcast Make sure you hit SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out on our upco...2021-09-0824 min