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With The PerrysGetting to Know Aunt CeCe (Winans)We’ve got a special conversation to wrap up the year before a holiday break. The Perrys are joined by their friend and Gospel-music artist CeCe Winans. CeCe shares how meeting the Lord at a young age shaped both her music and her priorities in life. The love of God has always been her motivator and she strives to please Him in all she does.
From the fear of the Lord helping her navigate the music industry to choosing home and church over public calling, CeCe reflects on what has kept her grounded, She says, “I don’t worsh...
2025-12-151h 01With The Perrys“What’s Love Got to do With it” with Jada EdwardsWe all have “love issues.” John 13:35 says that love is to be our identifying mark as Christians – not our wisdom or spiritual gifts or activity – but being a loving person is difficult. Jada Edwards has a new book out called A New Way to Love Your Neighbor that she wrote out of a season where she struggled to love well. The Lord revealed to her that she couldn’t be the originator of grace for other people. She needed God to reveal His love for her specifically, continually, so she’d be filled up with love to give...
2025-12-081h 22With The PerrysA Conversation About Anxiety with Blair LinneBefore they were podcasters, the Perrys did spoken-word poetry, and this week’s guest had a profound impact on them as one of the first “viral” Christian poets online. Blair (Wingo) Linne joins Jackie and Preston to talk about her new book, Made to Tremble: How Anxiety Became the Best Thing That Ever Happened to My Faith. Blair discusses how past traumas – including the sudden death of her infant brother and a car accident that totaled their family vehicle – shaped her present anxiety and how that anxiety drove her even closer to the Lord. She explains how all of Scri...
2025-12-011h 11With The PerrysTurning the Cheek and Forgiving Offenses with Yana ConnerThe Perrys are joined by Yana Conner, a writer and theologian passionate about understanding the character of God. Her new book, Living Beyond Offense, digs into the idea that forgiveness is at the heart of our faith. Why’s that? Because every time we forgive, we put the gospel on display.Yana shares honestly about writing this book while wrestling with her own relationships. She talks about how “turning the other cheek” is meant to restore and not enable, why God calls us to be “shalom makers,” and how forgiveness is less about forgiving yourself but about living for...
2025-11-171h 08With The PerrysThe Grief and Relief of Obedience in DatingLean into part two of the Perrys’ conversation with Melody and CD Fabien for even more real talk on dating discipleship. They unpack what healthy boundaries look like – whether you’re dating later in life or after a previous marriage – and share why they believe couples should enjoy long dating seasons and short engagements. CD challenges men to consider what true, Christ-like leadership looks like in dating, with the reminder that Scripture calls both husbands and wives to “submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.” The Fabiens also acknowledge that godly dating often involves discernment and sometimes grief-filled...
2025-11-101h 00With The PerrysDating Discipleship 101 with Melody and CD FabienMelody and C.D. Fabien made headlines for waiting to kiss until marriage. Now more than a decade later, they're doing "dating discipleship" work with couples who feel confused about the in between, wanting to date intentionally before getting engaged. In this conversation with the Perrys, the Fabiens discuss what it means to date with godly wisdom, lead with integrity, and pursue purity that lasts beyond the wedding day. Melody and C.D. say that obedience is inconvenient but it's always worth it. They make a case for why living together before marriage is actually spoken against i...
2025-11-031h 06With The PerrysWhen Creativity and Humility Meet: A Conversation with Tye TribbettTye Tribbett is a Grammy Award-winning gospel artist who infuses his songs with scripture, teaching listeners about God as he sings. In 1996 he created “Greater Anointing,” a choir of his family and friends, and ever since, he’s been writing Jesus-focused music to start conversations, not condemn. Tye talks with the Perrys about humility, ambition, and what it means to stay kingdom-focused in an industry obsessed with viral success. They unpack the challenges of today’s gospel music scene – from sensationalism to the pressure to perform – and the importance of slowing down for ministry moments and walking closely with...
2025-10-271h 16With The PerrysDiscipling Kids in a Sexually Broken World With Laurie and Matt KriegEven thinking about engaging in a conversation with kids about sexuality can feel scary, but Laurie and Matt Krieg have a heart to help parents approach the topic without fear.The Kriegs join Jackie and Preston to discuss moving beyond the shame-filled messages of purity culture – what was a “theology of no” – instead to a theology of goodness and flourishing. They talk about being your child’s “anchoring bias” – the first voice a child hears on these topics – and why it’s so important to respond like Jesus when your child is exposed to something online or confesses. La...
2025-10-201h 22With The PerrysThe Art of Stewarding Your 5 Loaves and 2 Fish: A Convo with Dallas and Amanda JenkinsDallas and Amanda Jenkins, creators of The Chosen, join the Perrys to talk about how God used one movie’s box-office failure to bring about the now globally popular television series about the life of Jesus. The Jenkins talk about bringing their “five loaves and two fish” to God, letting Him handle the multiplication, and creating from a place of dependence rather than success. They discuss what it looks like to lead with authenticity, use “sanctified imagination” while staying true to Scripture, and keep their focus on honoring the character of Jesus. The conversation also covers how they handle...
2025-10-131h 26With The PerrysInfertility and Finding God After Unanswered Prayer with Jennifer Lucy TylerEvery one of us will, at some point in our lives, come to realize that our faith alone can’t produce everything we want, when we want it. It’s hard to trust the Lord when we’re praying prayers that haven’t been answered. Jennifer Lucy Tyler joins the Perrys to talk about what she’s learned about God’s sovereignty through her journey of infertility. She shares about experiencing the joy of the Lord – even when He’s not given you the thing you desperately want – and why through our lament, we can still have hope tha...
2025-10-061h 02With The PerrysNeither Blue Nor Red: Being a Disciple in a Culture WarSocial media has been a contentious place after the murder of Charlie Kirk, and the public mourning of his death has felt confusing and concerning for many people. How should we as Christ followers respond in such a polarizing time? In this honest conversation, Jackie and Preston sit down with Justin Giboney, cofounder and president of the AND Campaign, to process through what happens in our hearts – and in the church – when tragedy plays out in the public square. Why do we turn to social media to have our feelings validated? Are we experiencing a true g...
2025-09-291h 15With The PerrysNavigating Faith While Playing A Game: A Conversation With BB26 Winner Chelsie BahamChelsie Baham is not just the winner of Season 26 of Big Brother – she also loves Jesus and was in full-time ministry up until she joined the game last summer. In “Big Brother,” sixteen strangers are locked in a house for 90 days with cameras and microphones running 24/7 as they compete for a gigantic sum of money. Jackie has watched “Big Brother” since Season 2, and she loves it because of the psychology involved, understanding people’s thoughts and motives as she watches the competition. The Perrys talk with Chelsie about how ministry – and specifically min...
2025-09-081h 13With The PerrysPart 2: Dating After 30, Singleness, and Other Questions AnsweredHere’s part 2 of the Perrys’ conversation with Megan Ashley and Ebenezer Endiryas about dating in your 30s.Jackie, Preston, Megan and Ebenezer left you on a cliffhanger. “Should we be more focused on dating people that we’re in community with?” The group picks up the conversation there, talking about creating environments where someone you’ve met online can be brought into your community. They talk about how unkind it is to lead someone on, how men’s lack of emotional connection with other men impacts how they experience women, and how beneficial it would be if singles sto...
2025-09-021h 06With The PerrysPart 1: Dating After 30, Singleness, and Other Questions AnsweredNo one is really talking about what it’s like to be single in your 30s, or after you’re divorced or widowed, but it’s time to have a mature conversation about it. The Perrys are joined by two friends – Ebenezer and Megan – to talk about their separate experiences. Ebenezer Endiryas is a single pastor who longs to be married one day, and Megan Ashley is a mom of three who was married for 14 years prior to her divorce. Both call themselves hopeless romantics, though they each now have a healthier understanding of kingdom-minded marriage and the sanctif...
2025-08-251h 05With The PerrysLoving People When You Don't Want To With Toni CollierEach one of us is worthy of deep and intentional relationships. Just look at the life of Jesus and His close circles of community. God’s design is for us to be with people, but relationships are hard. The Perrys are joined by Toni Collier to talk about her new book, Don’t Try This Alone: How to Build Deep Community When You Want to Hide from Your Pain. Toni and the Perrys talk about how past hurt and betrayal can cause us to avoid community, but God has always used other people to help us he...
2025-08-111h 06With The PerrysWhen Christianity Gets HardSometimes coming to Christian faith means that life gets harder and we don’t like that. We will all find ourselves in moments or seasons of discouragement, but we can wrestle through it with reverence. The main way to fight discouragement is by having a knowledge of God’s Word that helps you lean into Christ, and in this week’s episode, the Perrys walk through a number of passages to help us do just that. Scripture references:
Psalm 88
John 6:60-68
Genesis 21:6
Luke 1:34
Galatians 6:6-9
Psalm 136:1-5
Hebrews 3:13
Hebrews 12:1-3
1 Peter 4:12-17
John 15:18-25
2 Corinthians 4:16-17
James 5...
2025-08-041h 10With The PerrysUnforgiveness, Raising Kids in the Last Days, and Proud Preachers: A Q&A EpisodeThe Perrys' Q&A episodes are some of your favorites. In this one, the Perrys answer questions from their Instagram followers, covering topics related to evangelism, marriage, parenting, recognition, and forgiveness. How do you know if you are called to evangelize? Is it okay if a husband and wife attend different churches? What if you’re hesitant to have kids and bring them into a broken world? Let’s talk about it. Scripture references:1 Peter 3:1-2Matthew 6:1-2
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2025-07-211h 05With The PerrysFiguring Out Biblical WomanhoodAfter their “Act Like a Man” episode, the Perrys thought it would be beneficial to also have a conversation on womanhood. When Jackie first became a believer, she felt as though many books she read on womanhood leaned heavily on cultural contexts or norms instead of Biblical frameworks. As she has become more comfortable in her femininity, she’s learned more about what it looks like to show up as a woman in everything God has called her to, whether that be marriage, motherhood, or ministry. Jackie and Preston discuss women’s unique interpretations of scripture...
2025-07-141h 19With The PerrysNavigating Church Culture Differences With HumilityGod’s people are represented in more than just your immediate Christian circle and cultural context. And if we are as Christ followers are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, there’s always something to learn from one another. The Perrys reflect on their experiences inside different church settings, denominations, and faith expressions throughout their ministry. They’ve learned that God is too big for us to limit Him to our preferences or the church culture we’re a part of. Jackie and Preston discuss how we have to go in with open minds and humble hearts, n...
2025-07-0749 minWith The PerrysThe Idolatry of KnowledgeChristianity is an intellectual faith, and the Lord wants us to use our minds. We see that in passages that say “Think on these things” or “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.” But how do you know if you’ve made an idol out of knowledge?You might find yourself critiquing and correcting more than you build others up. Knowledge can be an idol when it’s solely for you and not used for the edification of the Body of Christ. In this episode, the Perrys discuss why it’s important that...
2025-06-2348 minWith The PerrysWhen You Hate The HomeYou won’t always have uninterrupted affection for the things God has called you to, and that’s normal. So what do you do when you feel like you hate being at home?Home can be a stressful and overwhelming place, one that is completely “others” oriented. Our spouses and kids depend on us. We have responsibilities that cannot be ignored. The mundane of our day-to-day lives makes us wrestle with both our ambition and our apathy. Ultimately, we often dislike “home” because it reminds us of our need for sanctification. The Perrys discuss what to do when we stru...
2025-06-1650 minWith The PerrysAct Like a ManIn 1 Corinthians, Paul says, “Act like men, be strong.” But what does manhood look like?In this episode, Preston explores some of his earliest views of masculinity as a kid and what it meant to “be a man.” The development of our identity is shaped by both parents in unique ways, so the Perrys talk about the dynamics of being nurtured – or not – by a mother and a father. They also discuss the modeling of emotional maturity, the idea of attachment theory, healthy relationships with other men, and opportunities for discipleship. This Episode of With The P...
2025-06-021h 13With The PerrysLet’s Talk Fasting and PrayerIt’s been a minute since the Perrys dedicated an episode to the topic of prayer, and they realize they pray differently today than they did back then. Just as sanctification changes who you are, it also changes your prayer life, so what do their prayers look like now?Jackie and Preston also take a look at several examples of prayer in the Bible. Scripture shows us how we can approach God when we think He is disciplining us or when we doubt He is for us. Prayer grounds us as Christians, reminding us that we can’t le...
2025-05-191h 09With The PerrysHow to Be A Christian on Social MediaThe Perrys are back after many months away spent tending to their souls and their family. The time offline was good and at times “profoundly boring,” but as they re-engage with social media, they’ve got some thoughts.The Perrys discuss what scripture has to say about our character, and how Christians ought to be on social media because of what the Bible says. How we show up on social media matters, and we should honor Christ while we’re there.Scripture references:
Ephesians 5:15-17
Matthew 6:25-34
Philippians 4:11-13
Philippians 2:3
Philippians 4:5
James 1:19-20
Matthew 7:3-5
Prove...
2025-05-121h 18With The PerrysBest of WTP: How To Fight For Your MarriageWhile the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes. If marriage feels difficult, it’s not because you and your spouse are incompatible. It’s because you’re married. On today’s episode, Jackie and Preston are joined by mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien for a conversation about fighting for intimacy. They talk about recognizing dysfunctional rhythms, finding opportunities to connect, not building cases against your spouse, healthy confrontation, and utilizing the greatest tool God has given us to find oneness in marriage: communication.
2025-04-071h 30With The PerrysBest of WTP: Conflict, Confrontation, and Arguing WellWhile the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes. Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the years.
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2025-03-0355 minWith The PerrysBest of WTP: Men, Marriage, Sex, and Kevin SamuelsWhile the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.Here's an episode from June 2023 with Jackie and Preston's friend Ezekiel Azonwu. Culture discourages men from being in community, and many men are confused about their call and spiritual giftedness. But guys are crying out for discipleship and voices that are in close proximity to them who will build them up. Let’s talk about it.
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2025-02-031h 16With The PerrysBest of WTP: Mormonism, Homosexuality, Parenting Tips & MoreWhile the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes. In this episode from February 2023, Jackie and Preston sit down and answer questions sent in from their former Patreon community.
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2025-01-1358 minWith The PerrysSocial Media Break, Slander, and SanctificationAfter a fruitful yet exhausting year, the Perrys talk about the future of the podcast and their public ministry. They discuss whether or not they did too much, what they’ve learned about rhythms of rest, how God has used success and scrutiny to make them more like Jesus, and the gifts and dangers of social media. While some ministry will still continue at the start of the new year, new episodes of With The Perrys won’t be released until Summer 2025. In the meantime, be sure you’re subscribed to the news...
2024-12-091h 02With The PerrysFamily and Parenting with Generations in Mind: A Conversation With The OrtlundsThe “unimpressive” life you live today is really important. Even the mundane matters. God is using it and will bless you and future generations through your faithfulness. These are reminders from Ray and Jani Ortlund, who join the Perrys on the podcast to impart their wisdom from their 53-year journey in marriage and parenting.Ray founded Immanuel Church in Nashville, where he still serves as the pastor to pastors. He and Jani together steward Renewal Ministries and recently wrote a book together called To the Tenth Generation: God’s Heart for Your Family, Far into the Future. ...
2024-11-041h 04With The PerrysHow to Be a Christian During Election Season with Justin GiboneyJustin Giboney joins the Perrys for a conversation on politics. Justin is the co-founder of the AND Campaign, a Christian civic organization for raising civic literacy among Christians so that we can engage in a better way. He talks with the Perrys about the idea that our public witness doesn’t belong to either political party, and that parties are just tools, not identities. Follow Justin and the AND Campaign:https://www.instagram.com/justinegiboneyhttps://www.instagram.com/andcampaignThe Church Politics Podcast Reso...
2024-10-2850 minWith The PerrysChristian Endurance, Fashion, and People Pleasing (A Q&A Episode)It’s been a minute since the Perrys have recorded a Q&A episode, but we’ve got one for you this week. Jackie and Preston start off deep, talking about enduring hard things as Christ followers, including experiencing true spiritual warfare. They discuss topics such as fashion and aesthetics, finding the right church, talking to your kids about other religions, and how to differentiate between kindness and people-pleasing.
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2024-10-211h 05With The PerrysParenting Children with Special Needs and More with Megan AshleyMegan Ashley joins the Perrys to talk about her upbringing, faith journey, and hardships of the past several years. As a mom to a child with autism, Megan believes the church should step in to support families, and she’s advocating for churches to become more conscious of special needs. Jackie, Preston and Megan Ashley also talk about the dichotomy of darkness and beauty in their city of Atlanta, discussing the hope and expectation they have for what comes of this month’s Acts 242 discipleship conference.Follow Megan Ashley on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/immeganashley/Chec...
2024-10-141h 19With The PerrysThe State of the American Church: A Conversation with Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell (Part Two)Philip Anthony Mitchell is back for Part Two of his conversation with the Perrys, talking about problems with the American church. We're seeing a drift from Orthodox Christianity and a growing dishonor for Jesus. Rampant idolatry, insensitivity to sin, leaders who are living in open rebellion to God, people clapping in rooms as they're listening to false doctrines. People don't want to be taught... they wanted to be entertained. And because of all of that, people are increasingly Biblically illiterate.
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2024-10-071h 12With The PerrysFrom Rikers to Righteous: A Conversation with Pastor Philip Anthony MitchellPhilip Anthony Mitchell feels that he was radically brought into the Kingdom. Born in Queens, NY to Trinidadian parents, Philip found a sense of community and belonging in the streets, despite his mother and father starting a Christian ministry in the basement of their home.Now the lead pastor of 2819 Church in Atlanta, Philip sits down with the Perrys for a conversation on the urban context and darkness of his childhood, how he was changed by prison, the idea of "calling," and the deep reverence and affection he now has for the Lord. He feels like he’s...
2024-09-231h 06With The PerrysHow to Help the Church be Sacred, Soft, and Safe with Pricelis DominguezMany of us have experienced hurt within the church or have had seasons of disconnection from a local faith community. Even if we haven’t, we probably see areas where our current church context could be improved. So what does a healthy church look like and how can we be a part of its flourishing? Pricelis Dominguez talks with the Perrys about her own church experience, discussing things like pastoral red flags, how Scripture ought to be used, discerning church preferences versus priorities, and remaining hopeful in seasons of despair. Check out...
2024-09-161h 07With The PerrysEmotional Idolatry (With The Perrys Podcast Tour)You know the word ‘emotional’ – we’ve all got feelings – and you’ve heard the term ‘idolatry.’ But it’s rare that we hear the two words as a phrase together. Emotions are not wrong – having them is evidence that we’re created in the image of God. But if we’re not careful, emotions can dictate our world and realities instead of God’s truth. This week’s episode is a segment from the With The Perrys 2024 podcast tour. The NYC audience was polled for a topic they wanted to hear about and “emotional idolatry” was their pick. We’ve...
2024-09-0959 minWith The PerrysBoy Mom Stuff, Preaching, and Other Gems with Priscilla ShirerYoung men today want to be poured into, and Priscilla Shirer’s new movie is all about the power of prayer and discipleship in a boy's life. In this episode, Priscilla talks with the Perrys about parenting boys and how God has taught her to surrender her comfort in the “rough and tumble” of them growing up to be men. What did Priscilla’s parents do to instill deep faith and closeness as a family? What has been her biggest burden in ministry? It’s all in this episode.Watch the trailer for “The Forge,” in theaters now –...
2024-09-0259 minWith The PerrysHow to Wrestle with God with Lisa FieldsWrestling with God is a normal part of the Christian faith. We can’t grow in our relationship with God without questioning Him. But many of us run from hard questions or feel discouraged and angry when the answers we find are not emotionally satisfying to us. This week’s guest, Lisa Fields, has a conversation with the Perrys about learning how to wrestle well with God instead of leaving the faith. Check out Lisa’s new book When Faith Disappoints: The Gap Between What We Believe and What We Experience. Follow Lisa on socia...
2024-08-2642 minWith The PerrysIt’s Giving Self-RighteousHave you ever thought you were a better Christian than other Christians? We can all be self-righteous at times, but it’s bad theology. We can’t compare our spiritual maturity to that of other Christ followers, who are also flawed human beings – we must compare ourselves to Christ. In this episode, the Perrys walk us through the theology that moves us to have more gracious, less judgmental spiritual walks.
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2024-08-1950 minWith The PerrysStewarding Influence and LibertiesHow do you steward your influence? This is a valuable question for every Christian. If you’ve been called out of darkness into His marvelous light, that is your platform to display His goodness. You have influence, even if you’re not a public figure, and others are watching. The Perrys discuss what it looks like to steward your time, finances, resources and relationships too.
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2024-08-1250 minWith The PerrysChurch Girl with Dr. Sarita LyonsDr. Sarita Lyons has written a book to encourage Black women specifically – based on their unique lived experience – and she sits down with the Perrys to talk about it. She also shares about her faith journey of spiritual confusion. When she went to college, she started to embrace African spiritualism with the Christian faith of her childhood but quickly learned that you can’t mix Jesus with false gods.Church Girl: A Gospel Vision to Encourage and Challenge Black Christian Women, is available for pre-order now, or grab it wherever you buy books on August 20, 2024.Follow...
2024-08-051h 11With The PerrysSpouses Don’t Compete, They ComplementWe are all uniquely gifted and charged to use our gifts for the glory of God, both inside and outside the home. How can we use our gifts effectively while also helping our partner to flourish? What does it look like for husbands and wives to support each other without ego or insecurity getting in the way? The Perrys discuss how it takes both humility and love for spouses to support each other well. Also in this episode, the Perrys talk about Preston’s DISCIPLE hat. It sells out quickly, but keep an eye out here.
2024-07-2945 minWith The PerrysBest of WTP – What We Wish We Knew About SexWith the podcast tour this month, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.What do you think about sex? It has serious physical, social, emotional, and spiritual implications. It’s the closest physical bond two human beings can have. It can bring forth both life and destruction. We’ve seen sex misused and perverted, but there’s beauty to be explored, and the Perrys discuss that idea in this episode.
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2024-07-2235 minWith The PerrysBest of WTP – Sooo, About DatingWith the podcast tour this month, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.Dating at any age is hard, and dating now looks different than it did “back then” (this is true no matter when your “then” might have been). Though Jackie says she doesn’t feel like she and Preston really dated – their friendship naturally grew toward marriage – the Perrys have some thoughts about the idea of discerning who you will marry.
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2024-07-1551 minWith The PerrysBest of WTP – Prayer: The Discipline We All Suck AtBecause of the podcast tour, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.Prayer will always be a struggle because it concerns our dependence. “Do I trust myself today, or do I trust God to meet my needs?” The Perrys still feel this, that prayer might be something we always suck at. Oh, and this episode has a very important debate about washcloth usage in the shower. Enjoy!
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2024-07-0836 minWith The PerrysDepression, Suffering, and The Faithfulness of God’s Presence with Brenna BlainThis episode comes with a trigger warning for discussions of suicidal ideation. If you or someone you love is in crisis, dial 988 for help. Other resources to check out include Anthem of Hope and Psychology Today.Jackie and Preston sit down with Brenna Blain to discuss some hard things. Brenna is a wife, mom, and contemporary theologian who says she “wrestles with the intersection of faith and suffering.” She has a powerful story of the ways Jesus has rescued her, from the time she joined YWAM (Youth With a Mission) as a way to run away from God...
2024-06-101h 01With The PerrysManaging Friendship Trauma and the Fear of Cultivating New OnesTrauma can show up in all relationships, not just romantic ones. And “friendship trauma” may sound dramatic, but experiences with others can legitimately affect your view of yourself, even the concept of friendship in general. In this episode, the Perrys talk about what it looks like to be a good friend, and how we need to work through past hurt and doubt to engage in future, healthy friendships. This episode of With The Perrys is Sponsored by:https://lifeway.com/ephesiansstudy — Join us as we study through the book of Ephesians.https...
2024-06-0343 minWith The PerrysA Brief Conversation about Ephesians with Jasmine L. Holmes and Melissa KrugerWhen it comes to women in ministry who know a thing or two about studying the Bible, Jackie and her two guests, Jasmine L. Holmes and Melissa Kruger, have a ton to offer. On this episode of With The Perrys, they sit down to discuss a new Bible study resource called Ephesians: A Study of Faith and Practice. Jackie, Jasmine, and Melissa talk about the way they went about writing this Bible study together so that we can more clearly understand how we are oriented to God through Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit.The...
2024-05-2044 minWith The PerrysWe Are All Just Jars of ClayCan we be honest? This episode almost didn't happen because The Perrys found themselves in a funk when it was time to record. Jackie admits she’s recently felt as though she’s been holding back the hand of depression. Preston reflects on spiritual opposition he’s felt during this busy season with projects and upcoming plans. So, what does it look like to fight back against anger, irritation, or sadness? It looks like leaning into spiritual disciplines – to the degree you have the strength to do them – and finding community with one another, as they model in today’s episode.
2024-05-1344 minWith The PerrysA Conversation on Sex, Dating, and Beauty with The AzonwusEzekiel & Kiyanna Azonwu have been married for 15+ years, and in this episode they talk with the Perrys about things like attraction, discerning who to pursue romantically, maintaining intimacy in marriage, and flourishing in Christian community. Did they get married too young? Is it okay to care about aesthetics? Would better discipleship in the church lead to healthier marriage relationships? Together, the Azonwus and the Perrys tackle these and many more questions about sex, dating and beauty.For more conversations like these, check out the Azonwus podcast, We Need to Talk, on YouTube, and follow Ezekiel and Kiyanna o...
2024-05-061h 08With The PerrysHow to Tell the TruthPreston operates in a number of roles: husband, father, evangelist, apologist, poet... and now, he's added "author" to the list. The Perrys discuss the spiritual opposition he experienced writing his first book and why they believe the enemy didn’t want this book to reach the world. How to Tell the Truth isn't a book that teaches you how to evangelize "like Preston." It's a book that robs every believer of the excuses that keep them from sharing the Gospel. Here's the good news: you don't need seminary training to tell the world about Jesus.
2024-04-151h 04With The PerrysIt’s Our AnniversaryIn celebration of a decade of marriage, Jackie and Preston react to their wedding video and reminisce about everything from Jackie’s dress and “flower distributors” to whether or not Preston cried as she walked down the aisle and the reason they were late for their own reception. After laughing through their recollections of that day, the Perrys talk about the importance of their friendship and the beauty of learning to love one another unconditionally. This Episode Sponsored by:https://www.richmont.edu — Use promo code PERRYS to waive your application fee today
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2024-04-0851 minWith The PerrysHow to Get Free From PornWhat's destructive, expensive, and detrimental to your soul? Porn. If we had eyes to see how many demons are behind pornography, we would run from it. If we knew how much the devil delights in it, it would not be appealing to us. By the grace of God, Preston has been freed from pornography for three years, and he shares his experience in this episode. God is a loving God. If you run to Him for help, He’ll sustain you. Find one of our first YouTube conversations on the topic here...
2024-03-1850 minWith The PerrysCults, Neo-Prosperity Gospel and the ChurchThe church in America has mastered the art of gathering people, but discipleship is often lacking. Dr. Eric Mason joins the Perrys for a conversation on cults and other cultural ideologies.Grab Dr. Mason’s latest book, Urban Apologetics: Cults and Cultural Ideologies: Biblical and Theological Challenges Facing ChristiansConnect with Dr. Mason:
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2024-03-111h 11With The PerrysWould We Attend A Gay Wedding?A well-known pastor and radio host recently came under fire for his public opinion on attending the wedding of a same-sex couple, and it got the Perrys talking. How can you be faithful to Jesus while caring for and honoring people? This conversation starts at the foundation of the issue: knowing what you believe about God and marriage before discerning your ‘yes’ or your ‘no.’ https://www.covenanteyes.com — Try Victory by Covenant Eyes FREE for 30 days with promo code PERRYS! Resources:1: Christianity Today, "Alistair Begg Meets the Politically Correct"...
2024-03-041h 03With The PerrysOnce Upon A Time, We Were PoetsBefore penning books, the Perrys penned poems. In this episode, Preston and Jackie give us a behind-the-scenes look inside a few of their favorite pieces. From Jackie’s testimony poem to Preston’s proposal poem, prepare to be immersed in a world of imagery, word play, alliteration, and so much more.Watch the poems:My Life as a StudCovenantOne Flesh Take our brief listener survey.
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2023-11-131h 12With The PerrysFighting Distractions Upon WakingThe thought of writing a devotional never crossed Jackie's mind, but the Lord changed that. In this episode, the Perrys highlight a few things that compete for our attention and take away from adequate time in God’s Word. Jackie's new devotional, Upon Waking, was created to help us all cultivate a daily habit of seeking the Lord before anything else. Grab your copy of Upon Waking here.Take our brief listener survey.
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2023-11-0657 minWith The PerrysDoes the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage?Preston Sprinkle doesn’t shy away from the tension of wrestling with what the Bible says about marriage and sexuality. As his theological curiosity has led him to search the scriptures and dialogue with people in the LGBTQ community, Preston is also committed to embodying the grace and kindness of Jesus. He joins the Perrys on today’s episode to discuss some of his methods in approaching the topic of same-sex marriage. It all starts with asking the fundamental question, “What is marriage?”Follow Preston Sprinkle at PrestonSprinkle.com and check out his new book, Does the Bible Su...
2023-10-0949 minWith The PerrysThat Time We Broke Up...TwiceFrom being long distance to living in the same city and then taking a pivotal trip together to the Caribbean, the Perrys’ dating relationship had a bit of a rocky start. Jackie ended things with Preston not once but twice, she says out of fear of Preston’s loving pursuit of her. It didn’t help that Preston didn’t know how to lead her well. There’s a lot they would have done differently, but in the end, their story is a reflection of Jesus’ Gospel pursuit of each of us. Take our brief listener surv...
2023-08-2844 minWith The PerrysA Word for Writers and Other Sufferers of Writer's BlockA conversation with Preston about his book-writing experience turns into a much bigger dialogue about the creative process. Jackie asks Preston about the obstacles he’s run into moving from poet to author, and Preston explains why he really doesn’t believe in writer’s block. The Perrys talk about battling perfectionism, receiving critiques, and inviting other people into the writing journey.Check out Gay Girl, Good God. Take our brief listener survey.
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2023-08-2139 minWith The PerrysInfertility, Suffering, and HagarA few years back, the Perrys started a series on the podcast called “Teach the Text,” and that’s the format of today’s new episode. Jackie teaches through Genesis 16 – the story of Hagar, Abram, and Sarai – reflecting on the unique questions that only a woman might think to ask of this text. Jackie and Preston discuss impatience, idolatry, and misplaced hope, at the end pointing us to the God who sees us in our suffering.Check out other “Teach the Text” episodes:
Jude
John 9
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2023-07-241h 10With The PerrysConflict, Confrontation, and Arguing WellJackie and Preston revisit a conversation had during the very first season of the podcast five years ago – how to argue well. Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the years.Shop BOLD Apparel at BOLDApparel.Shop. Take our brief listener survey.
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2023-07-1755 minWith The PerrysFear of Death, Social Anxiety, and Other Angsty ThingsAt the root of anxiety is one tiny word that has the power to suck joy and contentment out of saints and aints alike—fear. Specifically, fear of what we cannot control. We examine why Adam and Eve lacked anxiety in the Garden and what we can gain from them to lead less anxious lives. Book Reference: The Cry of the Soul by Dan Allender and Tremper Longman
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2022-11-2141 minWith The PerrysStorytime with Jackie8 balls, tube socks, and rocks—OH MY! Jackie recounts stressful (and somewhat traumatic) moments from her life before Christ that bring the Perrys to the point of uncontrollable (happy) tears.Book Reference: Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry
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2022-11-1430 minWith The PerrysThe Inhumanity of CelebrityThe phenomenon of celebrity is quite…strange. Jackie talks about the pressure of maintaining a facade when notoriety places her in uncomfortable situations, and Preston advocates for a “hierarchy of opinions” to keep us all from becoming puppets. We also explore how celebrity culture affects the local church and its leaders.Previous Episode Reference: Fame: Christian Celebrity Culture (Season 3: Episode 5)Book Reference: Illusions of Immortality: A Psychology of Fame and Celebrity by David Giles Book Reference: The Great Divorce by C.S. LewisBook Reference: When Narcissism Comes to Church by Chuck D...
2022-11-0744 minWith The PerrysLet's Talk Submission: A Conversation (Part 2)Does running his bath water, baking him cookies, and rubbing his back equate to submission? The short answer? Nah. In this episode, we’re talking about how the purity of submission is displayed during the inconveniences of marriage and how true submission is a test of a wife’s trust—in God and in her husband. Previous Episode Reference: When Your Man is Intimidated by Your Gifts (Season 2: Episode 1)Book Reference: Holier Than Thou by Jackie Hill PerryTo support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal.
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2022-10-3136 minWith The PerrysLet's Talk Headship: A Conversation (Part 1)Let’s be clear— headship and dominance are not the same thing. Christ-like headship requires two things that may be difficult for some husbands: sacrifice and vulnerability. We chat about what real headship is, what it isn’t, and why it can be scary.
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2022-10-2448 minWith The PerrysSage, Witchcraft, and Discipleship (Patreon Q&A)For the final episode of the season, we're answering questions from our Patreon Saints. They wanted to know if Jackie disciples people she doesn't know, our thoughts on witchcraft, and more.
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2022-09-0540 minWith The PerrysPicking Preston's Brain About GunsGuns aren't foreign to the American way of life and neither is the misuse, murder, and destructive violence that's caused by them. Jackie isn't the biggest fan of guns for that reason. Preston owns them and believes them to be a useful tool in protecting your family. Listen in as Jackie picks Preston's brain about guns and how to make sense of a complex subject.
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2022-08-2231 minWith The PerrysWhat We Wish We Knew About SexWe clearly knew something about sex before getting married but sadly, most of our perspectives were toxic. Worldliness and unhealthy Christian frameworks about sexuality shaped our thinking as it probably has for many of us. So let's talk about it.
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2022-08-1533 minWith The PerrysReading While Black with Dr. Esau McCaulleyIf you heard someone use the word “Black biblical interpretation,” would you have any idea what they meant by it? We didn’t until we had a chat with Esau about it and we soon realized it’s a practice the entire church would greatly benefit from. To purchase a copy of Reading While Black: https://amzn.to/3NCChT3
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2022-08-0846 minWith The PerrysPronoun Hospitality, Understanding the Trans Community, and Other Hard StuffShould I call my friend by their preferred pronoun? How should I walk with people within the trans community? Is polyamory wrong? These are common questions that we sat down with Preston Sprinkle to chat about. Preston is the author of “Embodied: Transgender Identities, the Church, and What the Bible Has to Say” and President of “The Center for Faith, Sexuality & Gender.” To purchase a copy of “Embodied”: https://amzn.to/3zumodo
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2022-08-0149 minWith The PerrysWhen Friends Leave the FaithFriends are like family. Especially friends that have the same faith as you. So it can be devastating when a friend leaves the faith they once represented. On today’s episode, we talk about how to deal with it, including how to walk with friends that are “deconstructing.”
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2022-07-2548 minWith The PerrysGuarding Your Heart in MarriageThe Bible tells us to guard our hearts right? Well, how often have you thought about how to apply the principle to your marriage relationship? There are temptations everywhere. From ex’s, to co-workers, to pornography, even bitterness and entitlement can harden your heart towards your spouse. Let’s chat about how to keep our hearts soft towards God and each other.
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2022-07-1137 minWith The PerrysThe Beautifully Confusing TrinityOne God, in three distinct persons?? Confusing, we know. Book Recommendation: Delighting in The Trinity
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2022-07-0439 minWith The PerrysGrieving with God with Davey BlackburnGrief is hard to describe but when you’re in it, you know it. It’s something everybody will have to endure at some point in time so how can we endure it “well,” if that’s even a thing? We’re joined by Davey Blackburn, a man who knows what grief is and how God is faithful to show up in it. To learn more about Davy’s ministry, go to www.nothingiswasted.com.
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2022-06-2737 minWith The PerrysDealing with AngerEverybody gets mad. Some of us are angry at petty stuff. Some of us are angry at the right stuff. But how do we discern between the two or even recognize when we are dealing with anger at all?
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2022-06-2039 minWith The PerrysSooo, About DatingDating: the topic everybody loves to discuss. It feels like we covered everything in this conversation. Dating according to our “types.” Dating non-Christians and the like. Why men aren’t “choosing,” and more…
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2022-06-1349 minWith The PerrysStorytime with Preston Perry Part 2Our most downloaded episode in all three seasons is “Storytime with Preston Perry” and it’s clearly because Preston has the wildest stories. Last season, he told us about a time he encountered a demon-possessed man. We’re starting off Season 4 with even more craziness.
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2022-06-0643 minWith The PerrysSeason 4 TrailerSubscribe to the Perrys' newsletter: https://withtheperrys.myflodesk.com/zhfus4jx1sJoin Preston's discipleship community for men: https://www.patreon.com/PrestonPerry/membershipTo support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal: https://paypal.me/withtheperrysShop BOLD Apparel: boldapparel.shop Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
2022-06-0303 minWith The PerrysStorytime with Preston PerryIf you've been around Preston for more than a day, you'll soon find out that he tells the best stories. Listen as Preston shares about the time he almost got killed, saw a demon-possessed man, and more... To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal.To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner.www.withtheperrys.comwww.jackiehillperry.comwww.preston-perry.com
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2021-08-2328 minWith The PerrysHolier Than ThouHoliness is a big topic in the bible. It's intimidating for some because of its associations with hell and damnation but what if we saw holiness from a new perspective? One that recognizes God's holiness as the evidence of His eternal beauty and how it is His holiness that makes Him absolutely trustworthy. Listen in as Preston picks Jackie's brain about holiness in anticipation of her new book, Holier Than Thou.www.holierthanthoubook.net
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2021-08-1630 minWith The PerrysQuestions That Need Answers: When Did Dinosaurs Exist?Questions that need answer is a short segment where Preston and Jackie discuss a really random yet interesting topic.
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2021-08-1307 minWith The PerrysTalking About Social Justice is AwkwardLet's be honest here: social justice is an awkward topic nowadays. Depending on who you're talking with, it can be an antagonistic conversation or a helpful one. In this episode of With The Perrys, Jackie and Preston discuss why social justice chatter can be awkward and reasons why it shouldn't be.Book Recommendation: Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance and Repair
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2021-08-0932 minWith The PerrysQuestions That Need Answers: Are Aliens Real?Questions that need answer is a short segment where Preston and Jackie discuss a really random yet interesting topic.
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2021-08-0606 minWith The PerrysFame: Christian Celebrity CultureFame isn't inherently bad but even then, it still comes with its share of snares and temptations. Preston and Jackie discuss their own experiences with fame and how Christians, no matter the size of their platform, can make sure that God's praise matters most. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal.To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner.www.withtheperrys.comwww.jackiehillperry.comwww.preston-perry.com
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2021-08-0235 min
With The PerrysUrban ApologeticsAs it is in any culture, there are unique belief systems that spring up in response to the distinct experiences of people within a community. Oppression and/or racism in America and in the church has led to the formation of cults and black religious groups such as Hebrew Israelites, Moorish Temple of Science, and the Nation of Islam. What is central to each of these groups is a disdain for the Christian faith and its Christocentric teachings. Eric Mason, the editor of Urban Apologetics: Restoring Black Dignity with the Gospel joins Jackie and Preston to offer wisdom on...
2021-06-2137 minWith The PerrysCancel CultureCancel culture is kind of a "thing" nowadays but should it be? Especially among Christians, the public shaming of certain individuals and groups may or may not be necessary but how do we determine when "canceling" someone is the righteous thing to do? Jackie and Preston will discuss the topic among themselves to see if they can come to some kind of conclusion on the matter.
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2021-06-1428 min
With The PerrysWhat is The Black Church?'The Black Church: This Is Our Story. This Is Our Song'. a documentary released by PBS, recently explored the story of the black church. The doc offered insight, facilitated reflection, and provided context for the space that many black Christians call or called home. In this episode of Thirty Minutes with The Perrys, Jackie and Preston are joined by Charlie Dates. The Pastor of the Historic Progressive Baptist Church in the Southside of Chicago to talk more about all things "Black Church"Learn about Charlie Dates"The Black Church" (on PBS)
2021-05-2442 min
With The PerrysJesus and TherapyThe concept of Christians getting therapy shouldn't be a big deal but for some, it is. Sometimes it is said that "If Jesus is enough, then we don't need therapy." But what if therapy is a gift from Jesus? What if it's a means to help all people heal mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Listen as Jackie and Preston discuss their own experiences with therapy and why they believe every Christian should get some.
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2021-05-1734 minWith The PerrysThe Idolatry of MarriageMarriage is to be honored as the Bible directs us but is it being held in highest honor? Or in other words, have we, the church, made an idol out of the institution of marriage? Yes? No? Maybe so? Listen in as Preston and Jackie share their thoughts on the topic.Book recommendations:7 Myths About SinglenessThis Momentary Marriage
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2020-08-1934 minWith The PerrysSexuality and Self Denial: Our Thoughts on Jackie's Chat with KevOnStageJackie recently conversed with KevOnStage about sexuality and, not surprisingly, it was met with a lot of controversy. One aspect of it that seems to be the most alarming was Jackie's statements on self-denial. On this episode of With The Perrys, Preston and Jackie dig more into the concept of sexuality and self-denial and the reasons why it's typically not welcomed with opened arms.Book recommendations:1: The Secret Thoughts of An Unlikely Convert2: The Coddling of the American Mind
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2020-08-1240 minWith The PerrysEmbracing ConflictEvery relationship we will ever have will at some point have some conflict. Whether it's with our partners, our friends, our co-workers, and our kids, the hard situations that will arise are inevitable but even then, they don't have to be avoided. And they shouldn't. In this podcast, Preston and Jackie talk through their different styles of embracing conflict and how they've learned and are learning to see that as Christians, conflict really can be a good thing.Book Recommendation: Relationships: A Mess Worth Making
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2020-05-0642 minWith The PerrysHow We MetWho doesn't enjoy a good love story every now and then? Jackie doesn't. But both her and Preston still figured it would be beneficial to share their own. On this episode, listen in as they discuss their first impression of each other, how they came to realize that they were each other's "one," and other details that both singles and spouses would be able to glean from.Watch Journey To CovenantWatch Preston's Proposal
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2020-04-2238 minWith The PerrysCorona CrazySince the recent outbreak of Covid 19 in the States and in the World, all of our lives have been turned upside down. Listen in as Jackie and Preston discuss their thoughts on being quarantined, trusting God to provide financially, parenting during a pandemic, and the sovereignty of God.
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2020-04-0833 minWith The PerrysTeach The Text : John 9Back again is another episode of "Teach The Text" where either Jackie or Preston take a book or passage from the Bible and teach it. On this episode, Preston walks through a pretty popular narrative in the scriptures when Jesus healed a man that was born blind. Not surprisingly, this story has many connections to our modern context such as dealing with religious folk, suffering, and more.
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2020-03-0431 min
With The PerrysGender Identity, Biblical Womanhood, & Girly GirlsJackie never considered herself a "girly girl," or whatever that means. She, like many women, found themselves being labeled a "tom boy" or "masculine" because she didn't wear purses and the like. These words were spoken by people who never had a biblical framework for how to understand gender in the first place. Situations such as these have clearly led to much confusion in the church and in the culture about what it means to be male and female in this world. Listen in as Preston and Jackie chat about it.
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2020-02-2028 min
With The PerrysWhen Your Man is Intimidated by Your GiftsGiftedness and the success that can accompany it isn't gendered. Both men and women have the capacity to do great things with the gifts God has given them. But for some women, this comes with a hefty price. Their gifts, talents, and abilities can tend to intimidate the men in their lives. On this episode, Preston and Jackie have a conversation about why that's a thing and what couples can do individually to love and support each other above it all.
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2020-02-1237 min
With The PerrysTeach The Text: JudeWe're introducing a new series to 30 Minutes with The Perry's titled "Teach The Text". During Teach The Text, either Jackie or Preston will walk through a bible passage that they're currently studying. On this first episode of "Teach The Text", Jackie will walk through the book of Jude. To get a copy of Jackie's bible study on Jude, go www.lifeway.com/jude
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2019-10-3033 min