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Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationThe Value of Religious Freedom: An Interview with Roger FinkeSend us a textRoger Finke is distinguished professor emeritus of sociology and international affairs at Penn State University. Roger is also the founder of the Association of Religion Data Archives, which is an online archive of the best religion data available, a standard research tool for social scientists. He is the author of several books including the subject of today's interview: The Price of Freedom Denied: Religious Persecution and Conflict in the 21st Century (2011) co-authored with Brian Grim. In this book, Grim and Finke found that as religious freedoms are denied in a society, b...2025-08-0741 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationDoes Christian Nationalism Work? An Interview with Paul Matzko, Part TwoSend us a textToday's segment is the second part of my interview with Paul Matzko, historian and senior program manager at the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University. Paul is also an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. Our topic today is Paul's answer to the question: has Christian nationalism ever worked? Listen in to find out. As a part of addressing the question, Paul tells the story of Quaker martyr Mary Dyer. Music provided by Earl's Taco Shack, Jonathan Swaim, and Jonus Fair. Artwork by Sara...2025-08-0224 min
Dangerous Dogma184. Warren Throckmorton on Getting Jefferson RightIn this episode, Word&Way President Brian Kaylor talks with Warren Throckmorton, a retired professor who has spent years debunking false claims by Christian Nationalist pseudo-historian David Barton. Throckmorton is coauthor of Getting Jefferson Right: Fact-Checking Claims About Thomas Jefferson and author of the forthcoming The Christian Past That Wasn't: Debunking the Christian Nationalist Myths That Hijack History. He also hosts the podcast Telling Jefferson Lies. You can watch a video version of this conversation on YouTube. Note: Don't forget to subscribe to our award-winning e-newsletter A Public Witness that helps you make sense of faith, culture...2025-07-2931 minDangerous Dogma184. Warren Throckmorton on Getting Jefferson RightIn this episode, Word&Way President Brian Kaylor talks with Warren Throckmorton, a retired professor who has spent years debunking false claims by Christian Nationalist pseudo-historian David Barton. Throckmorton is coauthor of Getting Jefferson Right: Fact-Checking Claims About Thomas Jefferson and author of the forthcoming The Christian Past That Wasn't: Debunking the Christian Nationalist Myths That Hijack History. He also hosts the podcast Telling Jefferson Lies. You can watch a video version of this conversation on YouTube. Note: Don't forget to subscribe to our award-winning e-newsletter A Public Witness that helps you make sense of faith, culture...2025-07-2931 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationWhat is Christian Nationalism? An Interview with Paul Matzko, Part OneSend us a textPaul Matzko is a historian and senior program manager for AI and emerging technology at the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University. He is also an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and host of the Unintended Consequences podcast. Today, he joins me to discuss how Christian nationalism differs from citizen engagement with politics. Often Christian nationalists complain that they are simply living out their faith in the public square. However, Paul teases out the differences between policies which benefit the common good and those which are designed to b...2025-07-2738 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationThe Crisis of Christian Nationalism: An Interview with Jemar TisbySend us a textThis segment includes a significant amount of a recent interview with historican and author Jemar Tisby. Although I interviewed Jemar in the spring, the content is incredibly timely and relevant now. In this discussion, we cover the Trump administration's war on due process, diversity programs, and foreign aid. A recurring theme is the grift, greed, and cruelty of the Trump administration's Christian nationalism. Jemar challenges listeners to speak the truth and act to preserve our freedoms. From the segment: "To put it in Christian terms, White Christian nationalism is wro...2025-07-1829 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationMoney, Lies, and God: An Interview with Katherine StewartSend us a textToday I feature an interview with Katherine Stewart, the author of the New York Time bestseller Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy. The segment is timely in that we discuss income disparities accentuated by the passage of the recent Trump budget. The dominance of Christian nationalism in the current administration isn't helping many of the foot soldiers who helped bring Trump to power. Katherine discusses her new book and much more. Here is a sampling of topics:The uneasy coalitions in Christian nationalism and MAGA wo...2025-07-0749 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationThe Fears of Christian Nationalism: Interview with Andrew WhiteheadSend us a textWhy are Christian nationalists angry about the New York City Democratic mayoral primary victory of Zohran Mamdani? They surely are. Many are blaming "unchecked" immigration for his win. White Christians nationalist fear they are being replaced by too many non-Christians and too many black and brown people. In light of this event and the overall attacks on immigrants taking place in Trump's America, have I got a segment for you. We also hear from a founding father on why Muslims should not be discriminated against. In contrast to prior episodes, this o...2025-06-2939 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationBonus Episode: America's Founding - Secular Government, Religious FreedomSend us a textBe it resolved: America's founders established a secular government with provision for a religious people. When the delegates met in Philadelphia in the summer of 1787, they deliberately prevented the government from favoring any religion. Then when the Bill of Rights were added, freedom of religious expression was guaranteed. Those who wanted a Christian government at the time were upset at what they called the religious defect in the Constitution. They were honest enough to admit what today's Christian nationalists often cover up: The Constitution is not a Christian document and the n...2025-06-2511 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationThat's Not Fair and That's Not AmericanSend us a textRecently, David Barton and Matt Krause testified in front of the Texas House of Representatives Public Education committee. Barton and Krause both said some historically questionable things to support the placement of the Ten Commandments in every Texas classroom. A premise of this podcast is that it takes faulty history to pursue Christian nationalist goals, one of which is to erode separation of church and state. Texas Representatives John Bryant and James Talarico scrutinized Barton's and Kruse's arguments and determined that placing a Christian version of the Ten Commandments in every T...2025-05-1334 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationCharlie Kirk's Christian America, Part TwoSend us a textIn this segment, I examine the notion that there was something remarkably Christian about America's founding era. Last week, I fact-checked Charlie Kirk's viral video defense of the belief that America was founded as a Christian nation in the legal sense. Most of what Kirk had to say was irrelevant or incorrect. Today, I consider an overview of moral and religious failings during the founding era. Along with guests Jemar Tisby, Mark Noll, George Marsden, Caleb Campbell, and Aaron Cowan, I contradict Charlie Kirk's call to return to America's Christian roots. I...2025-05-0539 min
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John and Ralph discuss what appears to be one of the largest financial and spiritual scandals in modern religious history, tracing a network of evangelical institutions that supported Gospel for Asia (GFA), a missionary organization founded by K.P. Yohannan. Ralph, a former insider with extensive experience in Charismatic, Pentecostal, and Vineyard churches, recounts how he was pulled...2025-05-0256 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationCharlie Kirk's Christian AmericaSend us a textIn 2024, Charlie Kirk distributed a five-minute video defense of the idea that America was founded as a Christian nation. It has been played at least 20 million times on various social media platforms and is full of faulty history. This segment serves to correct the false claims and defend the proposition that America's founders set out to found a secular government with provision for religious pluralism. Unfortunately, this only applied to white males at first. Kirk and his fellow Christian nationalists use a variety of false stories to prop up a vision o...2025-04-2848 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationMike Johnson's False Jefferson Prayer: The Rest of the StorySend us a textOn January 3, 2025, Louisiana Representative Mike Johnson was re-elected to be Speaker of the House. In his acceptance speech, he quoted a prayer that he said Thomas Jefferson said every day during his presidency and every day of his life thereafter. There is a problem with this story. The prayer was written 56 years after Jefferson died. Jefferson never said the prayer even one day of his life. Later, Johnson and the House chaplain refused to acknowledge they spread false witness to the whole country. Before the prayer was associated with Je...2025-04-1442 min
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Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationTelling Jefferson Lies Season Two Trailer - Charlie Kirk's History LessonsSend us a textIn 2024, a video featuring Charlie Kirk defending America as a Christian nation was viewed over 10 millions times on social media. Many of the claims were false or misleading. This season of Telling Jefferson Lies will examine this video and other Christian nation claims by Christian nationalists in addition to Kirk. The first full episode is planned for April. There are lies, there are Jefferson Lies, and then there are Christian nationalists' stories. Music by Warren Throckmorton and Jonus Fair. Host: Warren Throckmorton; guest Matthew Boedy. ...2025-03-1102 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationTelling Jefferson Lies Season Two Preview - January 6 EditionSend us a textAlthough the dates have not been set, new episodes of Telling Jefferson Lies are coming this Spring. I want to go deeper into the faulty history of Christian nationalism but also examine the psychology behind it as well. Christian nationalism as an ideology is much more complex than fake quotes and false stories. The way history has been written from the beginning of the arrival of the Europeans must be examined as well.This trailer focuses on January 6 with a clip from David and Tim Barton doing their Christian n...2025-01-0603 min
Just Liberty18: History--It's not just about the past. Interview with Warren ThrockmortonCould historical mis-readings of America's founding be helping fuel today's political polarization? What difference does it make what we believe about Thomas Jefferson's religious views or his attitude toward slavery?
We talk with Warren Throckmorton, a psychologist, podcaster, and co-author of the book, Getting Jefferson Right: Fact-checking Claims About Our Third President.
An interview with Warren Throckmorton.
Show Notes:
The "Telling Jefferson Lies" podcast hosted by Dr. Throckmorton: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/telling-jefferson-lies/id1720424853
Book: Getting Jefferson Right by Warren Throckmorton and Michael Coulter https://www.amazon.c...2024-09-0321 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationThe Spirit of Justice: A Bonus Episode with Jemar TisbySend us a textOn September 3, 2024, author and historian Jemar Tisby's new book The Spirit of Justice: True Stories of Faith, Race, and Resistance officially drops everywhere. Today, I am posting most of the interview I conducted with Jemar for use in my podcast series Telling Jefferson Lies. In this episode, I recreate my questions because of a recording glitch in the original. The recording on Jemar's end was excellent with brilliant content to match, so this is a quality and thought provoking episode. We cover much of the podcast material (e.g., Thomas Jefferson...2024-08-2526 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationDisarming Leviathan - Bonus Episode with Caleb CampbellSend us a textOn July 2, 2024, Caleb Campbell's new book Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor officially drops everywhere. Today, I am posting most of the interview I conducted with Caleb for use in my podcast series Telling Jefferson Lies. In this episode, I do say I want to smash Christian nationalists, but I hope it is clear that I am not serious, but instead I agree with Caleb's approach. There is often a difference between what we might feel like doing and we know we should do, and Caleb points us to our b...2024-06-3028 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationMinisters of Propaganda - Bonus Episode with Scott ColeySend us a textExcerpts from my interview with Scott Coley, lecturer in philosophy at Mount St. Mary's University. His new book Ministers of Propaganda: Truth, Power, and the Ideology of the Religious Right is out this week. In this bonus episode of the podcast series Telling Jefferson Lies, Scott discusses Christo-authoritarianism and the role of justice in overcoming self-interest. Music credits:Seiche by Dustin BlatnikDebris by Roman CandleNight Walk by Warren Throckmorton2024-06-0510 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationWhat's So Good About Separation of Church and State?Send us a textOften debates focus on Christian nationalism and the problems which come from blurring the line between church and state. In this episode, I end the Telling Jefferson Lies series with some thoughts and testimony from experts about what is good about separation. Helping me close out the series are:Randall Balmer, John Phillips Chair in Religion, Dartmouth CollegeCaleb Campbell, Pastor, Desert Springs Bible Church, Phoenix, AZMichael Coulter, Professor, Political Science and Humanities, Grove City CollegeGreg Forster, theologian, Trinity International UniversityCharles Haynes, s...2024-05-0144 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationThe O'Connor QuestionSend us a textIn 2005, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor asked an important question for those who would erode separation of church and state: "Why would we trade a system that has served us so well for one that has served others so poorly? "I spend much of this episode affirming that we should not trade. Much of this series has been raising alarm about Christian nationalism and supporting separation of church and state. This episode assembles an all-star cast of experts in favor of a strong separation position. Joining me are:Randall Balmer...2024-05-0156 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationLosing Our ReligionSend us a textIn this segment, I argue that Christian nationalism is bad for religion in general and bad for Christianity in the specific case. This segment sets up the finale which argues that separation of church and state is a benefit to the United States and should be strengthened. If you like experts and multiple voices, this is the segment for you. Here is the lineup:Randall Balmer, John Phillips Chair in Religion, Dartmouth CollegePaul Kemeny, Dean of Arts and Letters, Grove City CollegeBob Smietana, Journalist, Religion N...2024-04-2350 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationAmerica is Not a Christian Nation - Bonus Episode with Randall BalmerSend us a textIn this short bonus episode, Dartmouth College professor Randall Balmer provides an introduction to reasons why he doesn't see the U.S. as a Christian nation. Dr. Balmer is the John Phillips Chair in Religion at Dartmouth College. He has spoken at numerous colleges and universities, including where I met him, Grove City College. Balmer has published more than a dozen books, including Redeemer: The Life of Jimmy Carter, God in the White House: How Faith Shaped the Presidency from John F. Kennedy to George W. Bush, and Bad Fa...2024-04-2111 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationConsequences of Christian NationalismSend us a textIn general terms, I believe Christian nationalism is bad history, bad politics, and bad religion. In prior episodes, I have concentrated on the bad history. In this segment and the next, I focus mainly on the bad politics. Around the world, religious nationalism is associated with state sponsored violence against citizens, use of force to take political control, erosion of the separation of church and state, degrading of democratic principles and attacks on minority rights. I believe Christian nationalism is also bad for Christianity which I will examine in the next episode.2024-04-1254 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationSally Hemings Bonus Episode, Whitewashing Jefferson, Part ThreeSend us a textAs promised, here is the completion of my examination of David Barton's whitewashing of Thomas Jefferson. In our book Getting Jefferson Right: Fact-Checking Claims About Thomas Jefferson, Michael Coulter and I assume the position held by most scholars and the Thomas Jefferson Foundation when it comes to the paternity of Sally Hemings children, i.e., Thomas Jefferson was their father. In The Jefferson Lies, David Barton deceives readers about what Madison Hemings said about his mother. Here is what Barton said Hemings told a Pike County (OH) newspaper in 1873."...2024-04-0723 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationThe True Story of the False Origins of the Seven Mountains Message - Bonus EpisodeSend us a textThis supplements episode 10, Still Searching for Christian America, Part Two. You can listen to this first, but I definitely encourage you to go back and catch up if you do. Everybody in Christian nationalism is talking about the seven mountains message. The message is at the root of much violent rhetoric coming from Christian nationalists but according to one of the key players in the movement, the origin story is fake. Helping me out in this bonus episode is Senior scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian and Jewish...2024-04-0131 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationStill Searching for Christian America, Part TwoSend us a textNote: Earlier versions of this segment had a low quality version of a speech by Jerry Falwell. The audio problem has been corrected. In this episode, I describe the National Prayer Breakfast movement, right-wing Christian nationalists, Reconstructionists, and non-denominational charismatic Christian nationalists. My guests for this episode are:Julie Ingersoll, Professor of religion at the University of North Florida and author of Building God's Kingdom: Inside the World of Christian ReconstructionJonathan Larsen: Journalist, https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/Joel McDurmon: Attorney, t...2024-03-2749 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationStill Searching for Christian America, Part OneSend us a textIn 1983, Mark Noll, Nathan Hatch, and George Marsden published a book titled The Search for Christian America. They concluded that there was nothing uniquely Christian in the founding of the United States and there is no Christian America to which to return. In this episode, both Drs. Noll and Marsden join me to say they believe today they were right in 1983 and the same conclusions are correct today. In between comments from these illustrious historians, I interview experts regarding the various conceptions of Christian nationalism, including "secular" leaning nationalism, white nationalism...2024-03-2144 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationWolfe in Wolf's ClothingSend us a textStephen Wolfe's book The Case for Christian Nationalism ignited a firestorm of controversy when it was released in 2022. In the book, Wolfe calls for revolt against tyranny and for Christians to mobilize at the state and local level to enact self-conscious Christian governments. In principle, according to Wolfe, Christian state's could use violence to maintain a Christian social order. With the help of Cato Institute historian Paul Matzko, podcast host Warren Throckmorton analyzes how Wolfe deals with Thomas Jefferson and highlights differences from other Christian nationalists such as David Barton. Also j...2024-03-1449 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationThe Capitol Tour Explained - Bonus EpisodeSend us a textSHOW NOTES:This bonus episode is a supplement to Conspiracy of Silence (Episode Seven of Telling Jefferson Lies). It provides the audio of the Family Research Council Capitol Tour led by David Barton followed by the the response of 35 historians and social scientists who, in 2013, asked FRC to remove the video from social media. You can watch the original video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzGdHZDXxKITo get the story, listen to the Conspiracy of Silence, episode seven. Written and produced by: Warren...2024-03-0928 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationConspiracy of SilenceSend us a textAfter David Barton's book The Jefferson Lies was pulled from publication in August, 2012, some Christian organizations wrote critical articles and publicly distanced themselves from Barton and Wallbuilders. Other groups some were caught off guard. The leaders of these groups knew they had false and misleading material being offered to their constituents, but they didn’t make any moves to remove it. This episode examines how two of those organizations, Family Research Council and Focus on the Family, handled the situation. I wish I could say this episode has a happy ending. Ult...2024-03-0748 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationWhitewashing Jefferson, Part TwoSend us a textThis is a continuation of last week's episode on whitewashing Jefferson. Today, we specifically take on Barton's contention that Jefferson was a civil rights hero for African Americans and was a strong anti-slavery advocate during his entire life.In fact, after 1784, Jefferson's promising beginning as an opponent of slavery faded away. While he continued to advocate emancipation, he linked it with deportation. He always believed that Blacks and Whites could not live together in one nation. He dedicated himself to the business of slavery and as president, supported the expansion of...2024-02-2947 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationWhitewashing Jefferson, Part OneSend us a textWhy did Thomas Nelson pull David Barton's book The Jefferson Lies from publication in 2012? Last week, we started to answer that question. This week we continue to provide specific illustrations of the historical errors which triggered that unprecedented move by Thomas Nelson. In this episode, we focus on the errors regarding race and slavery. We spend a significant amount of time demonstrating how David Barton deliberately omitted parts of the 1782 Virginia law on manumission. We submit he did this to whitewash Jefferson's record and actions as an enslaver of human beings...2024-02-2245 min
Veterans of Culture Wars104: Warren Throckmorton on David Barton's Christian Nationalist LiesWarren Throckmorton returns to the VCW hall to talk about his new podcast Telling Jefferson Lies, a companion to the recently released updated version of his 2012 book with Michael Coulter, Getting Jefferson Right. We talk about the conservative pseudo-historian David Barton, and how he distorts history to uphold and further a White Christian Nationalist view of America. Also, Mark Driscoll shares his thoughts on the new Apple Vision Pro VR headset.
Check out Professor Warren Throckmorton's work on his website: https://wthrockmorton.com/
Listen to the "Getting Jefferson Right" podcast right here...2024-02-201h 04
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationGod's Honest Truth - Bonus EpisodeSend us a textSince the founding era, Christian nationalists have told and believed myths about the founders and their religious views. Paul Matzko, historian and researcher with the Cato Institute and Anna Berkes, librarian at Monticello's Jefferson Library talk to me about the persistence of these stories throughout the history of the U.S. Then, I fact-check a fable involving Thomas Jefferson and Daniel Webster which has been lately told by Eric Metaxas and David Barton but has been around since 1858. This is an episode which demonstrates how to examine the context and facts o...2024-02-1425 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationGetting Jefferson RightSend us a textWhat was so wrong with The Jefferson Lies that Thomas Nelson decided to pull the book from publication? In this episode, Michael Coulter and Warren Throckmorton start answering that question by pulling material from their book, Getting Jefferson Right. In this episode, we take long looks into Barton’s handling of the Danbury Baptist letter to Thomas Jefferson, the Jefferson Bible, and a fable about Jefferson and church attendance. We show how the use of ellipses, second and third-hand sources, and a creative imagination can make historical fiction out of history. ...2024-02-0844 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationThe CataclysmSend us a textIn 2012, only four months after release, publisher Thomas Nelson removed David Barton's book The Jefferson Lies from publication. Many people blamed or credited a book by Warren Throckmorton and Michael Coulter titled Getting Jefferson Right for moving the publisher in that direction. What happened?Building on the foundation of the first two episodes, this installment in the Telling Jefferson Lies series provides the backstory to what was an unprecedented event for one of the largest Christian publishers in the nation. Warren Throckmorton interviews many of the people who were involved and s...2024-02-0156 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationWhere's Waldo the Anointed?Send us a text"You know, he is the where's Waldo of the movement. He's a little bit everywhere." Katherine Stewart, author of Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Christian Nationalism. "He's managed to create a kind of brand in a way for himself through Wallbuilders of being a trusted authority on the American past." Randall Stephens, professor of American Studies at the University of Oslo in Norway. In this episode, we examine how David Barton bounced back from his early problems and thrived by creating a brand as a trusted authority on...2024-01-2443 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationAmerica's Premier Historian: Origin StorySend us a textIn April 2012, Thomas Nelson published The Jefferson Lies, a book about Thomas Jefferson written by David Barton. By August of the same year, the publisher had removed the book from publication. What happened?This series tells that story and so much more. Just over a decade later, the Speaker of the House of Representatives declared his thanks to the same David Barton for his work in history. This series explores how historical revisionism persists even when it can be demonstrated that the facts are not there. 2024-01-1751 min
The State Of BeliefThank God We're Not A Christian NationA critical election year is already in full swing, and faith communities have an important role to play to help protect democracy. Yet some communities are suffering extreme polarization in the face of the Israel-Hamas conflict, while others struggle with the ongoing threat of Christian nationalist propaganda. This week on The State of Belief, Interfaith Alliance’s weekly radio show and podcast, Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush speaks with Duke University Professor Imam Abdullah Antepli and scholar and author Warren Throckmorton about interfaith relations and the revisionist history that influences Christian nationalist propaganda.“We have to step back and...2024-01-131h 12
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationTelling Jefferson Lies Preview: January 6 EditionSend us a textTelling Jefferson Lies not only documents the role of revisionist history in the maintenance of Christian nationalism, it addresses what Christian nationalism is about. This weekend seems like a good time to preview that aspect of the series. The series starts in two weeks with a look at the origin story of America's Premier Historian, followed by an examination of the cataclysm of The Jefferson Lies of 2012. Then we take a look at a brief year long window when evangelical leaders had a choice about what to do with Christian nationalist re...2024-01-0503 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationPreview of Telling Jefferson LiesSend us a textA brief preview of the upcoming series Telling Jefferson Lies. Telling Jefferson Lies chronicles how history can be hijacked for ideological and political purposes. We begin with the extraordinary story of how David Barton’s best-selling book about Thomas Jefferson was pulled from publication due to historical errors. After telling that backstory, some of which has never been disclosed, we described the reaction of the academic and church worlds. How Christian nationalists reacted moves us into a much broader story about the consequences of believing myths and failing to get history ri...2023-12-1804 min
Telling Jefferson Lies: Debunking the Myth that America was Founded as a Christian NationIntroduction to Telling Jefferson LiesSend us a textThis is the first teaser/trailer for the podcast series which begins in January, 2024. Show Notes:The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill by Christianity Today, hosted by Mike Cosper, from Episode 11, The Tempest. https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/tempest-mars-hill-driscoll.html.Music by Warren ThrockmortonFor more information about Getting Jefferson Right: Fact-Checking Claims About Thomas Jefferson, go to gettingjeffersonright.com. When you buy the book, make sure you get the second edition which just came out in 2023. 2023-12-0702 min
The Dismantling Doctrine PodcastGetting Jefferson Right: Debunking the Historical Revisionism of Christian Nationalism (with Dr Warren Throckmorton)
his week's episode features a great conversation with a returning guest, historian Dr Warren Throckmorton. From our previous conversation a few years ago, he's had a longstanding issue with the Christian nationalist "historian" David Barton of WallBuilders.
Back in 2012, Barton's book The Jefferson Lies was pulled from the bookshelves by its Christian publisher, amid claims by Throckmorton and other evangelical historians that his take on Jefferson was wildly historically inaccurate.
Recently, Throckmorton and his co-author Michael Coulter, have updated their original book Getting Jefferson Right, coming out with a 2nd edition including new information, as well as a look at St...2023-11-2249 min
The Dismantling Doctrine PodcastGetting Jefferson Right: Debunking the Historical Revisionism of Christian Nationalism (with Dr Warren Throckmorton) This week's episode features a great conversation with a returning guest, historian Dr Warren Throckmorton. From our previous conversation a few years ago, he's had a longstanding issue with the Christian nationalist "historian" David Barton of WallBuilders. Back in 2012, Barton's book The Jefferson Lies was pulled from the bookshelves by its Christian publisher, amid claims by Throckmorton and other evangelical historians that his take on Jefferson was wildly historically inaccurate. Recently, Throckmorton and his co-author Michael Coulter, have updated their original book Getting Jefferson Right, coming out with a 2nd edition including new information, as well as a look at St...2023-11-2249 min
The Holy Post589: Guarding the Wall of Separation Between Church & State with Warren Throckmorton & Michael CoulterThe Republicans in Congress have finally chosen a new Speaker of the House, and he’s a Bible-affirming, young Earth creationist, election denying, Southern Baptist. What does Mike Johnson’s rise say about the growing influence of Southern fundamentalism in politics? Then, Phil interviews Warren Throckmorton and Michael Coulter about their book, “Getting Jefferson Right,” and the attempts by Christian Nationalists to revise American history to remove the wall os separation between church and state. Also this week—the war between Israel and Hamas is getting worse and so is antisemitism around the world. Plus, Charlie Kirk says Halloween is in the...2023-11-011h 27
Bare MarriageEpisode 158: Pastors Plagiarizing: An Example Using Josh Howerton--with Scot McKnight's commentarySend us a textShould pastors be allowed to plagiarize in their sermons?I’ll be frank: I think evangelicalism has a problem with celebrity, as we talked about on last week’s podcast. And I think plagiarism is part of that celebrity. It’s rampant among pastors and authors in evangelicalism, and it allows people to give a false sense of themselves to others to boost their status. It needs to stop.Links to things mentioned:Scot McKnight's book A Church Called TOVScot McKnight's New Testament Everyday Bible...2022-09-081h 00
The Generations Radio ProgramAnti-Conversion Laws in Yemen and CanadaAnti-conversion laws are proliferating in India, Nepal, Yemen, Canada, and Australia. Fundamentalist Humanism and Islam forbids conversion to Christianity, but why is homosexuality such a sacrament to modern humanist autonomy? Should Christian psychologists seek out neutral ground on religion and ethics, as encouraged by men like Dr. Earl Warren Throckmorton of Grove City College? 2021-12-2727 minThe Generations Radio ProgramAnti-Conversion Laws in Yemen and CanadaAnti-conversion laws are proliferating in India, Nepal, Yemen, Canada, and Australia. Fundamentalist Humanism and Islam forbids conversion to Christianity, but why is homosexuality such a sacrament to modern humanist autonomy? Should Christian psychologists seek out neutral ground on religion and ethics, as encouraged by men like Dr. Earl Warren Throckmorton of Grove City College? 2021-12-2727 min
Veterans of Culture Wars033: Driscoll's Spiritual Father Grift: Jolie Monea and Tiffany Eneas from Trinity ChurchJolie Monea and Tiffany Eneas, formerly members of The Trinity Church in Scottsdale, AZ, join the pod to talk about their experiences at Mark Driscoll's desert church, where Mark and Grace Driscoll present themselves as spiritual "father" and "mother" in front of the church while congregants are the "family". Jolie also shares about how her long-term friendship with the Driscolls (one of her daughters is married to one of the Driscoll sons) led to her family being part of a small home group with them after Mark resigned from Mars Hill, then ultimately moving with the Driscolls from Seattle...2021-09-091h 54
The Dismantling Doctrine PodcastBonus Episode - The Mars Hill Legacy: Mark Driscoll's Toxic Cult of Personality (with Dr Warren Throckmorton)This special bonus episode features returning guest, Dr Warren Throckmorton. Though he identifies as a Christian himself, Dr Throckmorton has long been an outspoken activist and blogger for what he clearly sees as abuses within evangelicalism. In the current Christianity Today podcast series on the collapse of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, and Mark Driscoll's role in it, his name comes up--as he was one of the early voices to speak out against the problems inherent within Mars Hill. Not only do we discuss the Mars Hill saga, and its ultimate implosion, we also delve...2021-08-1653 min
Veterans of Culture Wars029: Inside Mark Driscoll's Castle: Former Security Director Chad Freese and Volunteer Ben EneasStories of control and paranoia from The Trinity Church, where at least one leader believes Mark Driscoll is the closest thing to Jesus on earth. Chad and Ben talk about how they ended up there, why they left, and why they feel Mark Driscoll should not be leading a church.
Follow Chad Freese on Twitter: @deardriscoll
Mentioned on the podcast:
-Former security director Chad Freese's website: https://www.deardriscoll.com/
-Tiffany Eneas (Ben's wife) wrote about her experiences on Warren Throckmorton's blog: https://www.wthrockmorton.com...2021-08-101h 50Veterans of Culture Wars025: First Church of Driscoll in Scottsdale: Professor Warren ThrockmortonDo evangelicals want to know the truth about abusive pastors? American history? Conversion therapy? In this wide ranging interview, Professor Warren Throckmorton talks about his Baptist background and journey with Evangelical Christianity. He discusses being a psychology professor and studying gender and sexuality, learning and changing his mind on LGBTQ issues and opposing an anti-gay law in Uganda. We also discuss his reporting on Mark Driscoll and Mars Hill Church continuing on with Driscoll's current organization, The Trinity Church in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Read Professor Throckmorton's reporting (including about Mark Driscoll and Trinity Church) here:2021-06-221h 37
The Dismantling Doctrine PodcastDebunking David Barton: The Christian Right's Favorite Revisionist Historian (with Dr Warren Throckmorton)My study and research of Christian nationalism has led me both to David Barton, who runs the organization WallBuilders out of Aledo, Texas, and to another figure--Dr Warren Throckmorton of Grove College, a professor of psychology. What do these two people have in common? Barton is a revisionist "historian" who has made a career out of promoting the myth that America not only was founded as a Christian nation, it should return to that status today. Dr Throckmorton has spent many years researching and writing on Barton's often spurious historical claims and dubious historical methods...2020-08-1458 min
A Way Beyond the Rainbow#13 - Pause. Rewind. Play.In this season 2 premiere, I address some of the questions and comments received and misconceptions that arose with regards to topics addressed in season 1 of the podcast, inviting everyone to pause, rewind and hit play, both literally and spiritually.Do we all fit the trauma-based models? Does therapy work for everyone? What is meant by "healing" in the context of SSA, and is there any such thing to begin with? And most importantly, who is in charge of your life, choices and decisions? These and other questions are explored in this episode.Links to resources...2020-07-031h 05
Point of View LivecastsPoint of View November 19, 2018 : Warren Throckmorton, Mary DeMuth, Rebecca FriedrichsMonday, November 19, 2018 Today Kerby talks with Warren Throckmorton & Mary DeMuth about Christians and plagerism. And then he welcomes Rebecca Friedrichs who has a new book, “Standing Up To Goliath.” This is Rebecca’s exposé of bully teacher unions, how to fight them, and how to WIN. Kerby will have the latest news, and all through […]2018-11-1900 min
The Long GameNorm OrnsteinHe thinks machine politics is a distraction. Norm Ornstein has a different take from Jonathan Rauch and Elaine Kamarck on why our politics is broken. Ornstein believes increasing voter participation and reducing the role of money in politics are better goals, and that the Republican Party is far more of a culprit in creating dysfunction than are the Democrats. Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, wrote a book late last year with Thomas Mann and EJ Dionne called "One Nation After Trump." Show Notes: Opening and closing song: "Mass Appeal" by Gangstarr. N...2018-01-121h 00
The Long GameNorm OrnsteinHe thinks machine politics is a distraction. Norm Ornstein has a different take from Jonathan Rauch and Elaine Kamarck on why our politics is broken. Ornstein believes increasing voter participation and reducing the role of money in politics are better goals, and that the Republican Party is far more of a culprit in creating dysfunction than are the Democrats. Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, wrote a book late last year with Thomas Mann and EJ Dionne called "One Nation After Trump." Show Notes: Opening and closing song: "Mass Appeal" by Gangstarr. ...2018-01-1200 min