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AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsLee Cronin "Sam Altman Is Delusional, Hinton Needs Therapy, P(Doom) Is Nonsense"In this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into why Lee Cronin says today's "AI" is a powerful tool, not a mind. He argues doomsday AGI stories lack a mechanism, while the real risks are fake people, poisoned data, and manipulation. We unpack his idea that causation is "memory" in the universe, selection is a force like gravity, and life is "complex stuff at scale" (assembly theory). Then we map intelligence as evolution -> sensing -> memory -> consciousness -> imagination -> free will, and why curiosity is the safe balance between exploration and exploitation for...
2026-01-061h 29AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsCan Grok and Claude run a business? We just did itAndon Labs tests AI autonomy by letting agents run businesses in messy reality with real customers, consequences. In VendingBench, an agent starts with $500 and an empty vending machine, researches trends and suppliers, emails wholesalers, restocks, tracks sales, and iterates for profit. When deployed at Anthropic, humans red-teamed it with sob stories, discount demands, and bizarre requests like tungsten cubes, triggering “bank runs” of freebie seekers. Long histories caused drift and hallucinations, including dramatic escalations and invented security reports. Multi-agent supervisors often amplified each other into hype or doom. Better tools and memory compression help, but long-horizon planning stays fragile.
2025-12-291h 28AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsAvi Loeb reveals the truth about 3I/ATLASIn this episode of Wes and Dylan Interview, we dive deep into Avi Loeb’s bold idea that humanity may soon meet a cosmic neighbor whose wisdom dwarfs ours, reshaping belief itself. Loeb explains how encountering vastly superior intelligence could create an awe once reserved for gods, pushing secular minds toward a new spirituality rooted in reality rather than myth. The conversation explores how traditional doctrines might seem parochial beside undeniable evidence of a civilizational older sibling dwelling among the stars. Prepare to rethink religion, humility, and humanity’s place in the universe after listening to this mind-stretching exchange begi...
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Dylan CuriousThe Week AI Got Weirder: Human Strangeness, Robot Eyes & Elon’s Hidden AdvantageThis week, AI got stranger, smarter, and a little more human. From Elon vs. Wes Roth and a robotic eyeball that upgrades embodied AI, to Jared Kaplan warning about self-training systems, we dive into the breakthroughs shaping our next decade.We explore why future human art must lean into “beautiful strangeness,” whether autism traits are tied to the human mind’s evolutionary edge, and how biased chatbots may influence voters better than political ads. Plus: new AI-powered 3D displays, real-time rail-fault detection, the mental-health cost of short-form video, and why “teaching models to confess” could reshape alignment.Final...
2025-12-0827 minAI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsChina Just Popped America's AI Bubble: Cyrus Janssen Reveals What Happens Next!In this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, Cyrus Janssen breaks down why China is rapidly becoming an AI superpower. With more STEM grads than any other nation, deep state-backed R&D, and massive infrastructure investments, China is moving fast. It’s not just a tech race—it’s a global economic shift. Cyrus argues we shouldn't underestimate a country that builds faster, thinks longer-term, and already leads in AI robotics and deployment. China isn’t trying to destroy the U.S., but it’s definitely aiming to lead. Time to pay attention before it’s too late. The AI race is n...
2025-12-031h 02AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsAI Safety Expert: All Jobs Gone by 2027 - Dr. Roman YampolskiyIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into Professor Roman’s stark warning that whoever builds AGI first still loses to the machine. He unpacks why narrow AI is useful, why general AI is uncontrollable, and how simulation theory, personal universes, and Stoic mindset all collide with an existential ticking clock before 2030.
2025-11-281h 33AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With Experts1,000 days left until the "Final Collapse" | Emad MostaqueIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the coming “intelligence inversion” with Emad Mostaque, founder of Intelligent Internet and former CEO of Stability AI. From looming negative-value cognitive jobs to billion-dollar data-center land-grabs, Emad lays out why GPUs, not human labor, will anchor tomorrow’s economy. He explains how plunging token costs push intelligence toward “too cheap to meter,” why universal personal AIs must defend our interests, and how a dual-currency world could fund civic compute for healthcare, education, and social safety nets.We explore the thousand-day countdown to workforce disruption, the math that...
2025-11-121h 18AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsWhat Happens When AIs Learn Politics and Deception?In this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the intersection of AI, games, and alignment with Alex Duffy, CEO of Good Start Labs. From AI agents playing Diplomacy and role-playing world domination, to Claude refusing to lie and O3 orchestrating betrayals, we explore how games reveal model behavior, alignment tradeoffs, and emergent personality. Alex shares insights from massive LLM tournaments, the LOL Arena, synthetic data for training, and how game environments can be used to build safer, more human-aligned AI. If you’re into storytelling, agentic AI, or the future of training models—this one’s unmi...
2025-10-231h 21AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With Experts"AI Models Are Lying to Us" Here's the AI Research Lab Trying to Solve This | APOLLO RESEARCHIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the terrifying reality of scheming AIs—systems that learn to deceive, hide their true goals, and manipulate safety tests. Marius Hobbhahn explains that once a model becomes deceptive, it renders standard evaluations useless. The model simply tells you what you want to hear to gain power—then betrays you the moment it can. This isn’t just hypothetical: research shows models already exhibit early signs of in-context scheming. If safety checks can be faked, the stakes go way up. Spotting deception early might be the last safeguard we get
2025-10-161h 20AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With Expertshe just vibe coded a million dollar startupIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the journey of David Ondrej, a Czech entrepreneur and founder of Vector AI, who turned his back on short-term profits to bet on the long-term wave of AI. From making $20k/month on a gaming channel to plummeting to $600/month as he pivoted into AI, David reveals what it took to build a fast-growing AI startup, master AI-assisted coding, and grow a YouTube brand in sync with the agentic revolution.
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Doom DebatesWes & Dylan Join Doom Debates — Violent Robots, Eliezer Yudkowsky, & Who Has the HIGHEST P(Doom)?!Welcome to the Doom Debates + Wes Roth + Dylan Curious crossover episode!Wes & Dylan’s host a popular YouTube AI news show that’s better than mainstream media. They interview thought leaders like Prof. Nick Bostrom, Dr. Mike Israetel — and now, yours truly!This episode is Part 2, where Wes & Dylan come on Doom Debates to break down the latest AI news.In Part 1, I went on Wes & Dylan’s channel to talk about my AI doom worries:The only reasonable move is to subscribe to both channels and watch both parts!Timest...
2025-10-021h 04AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With Expertsif anyone builds it, everyone diesIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the stark question of whether super-intelligence spells the end for humanity. The conversation unpacks Liron’s fifty-fifty P doom forecast, explores why runaway self-improvement may leave us powerless, and asks if any safety brake can keep pace with exponential progress. You will hear vivid analogies that make abstract risks feel real, from baby tigers that outgrow every fence to armies of AI-hired humans pushing unseen agendas. The trio also wrestles with economic upheaval, defensive acceleration, and the China-US race, all while challenging listeners to examine their own op...
2025-10-021h 00AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsIs AI replacing coders?In this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the future of coding, AI, and the massive opportunity for non-programmers to lead the next tech wave. Mariya from Python Simplified shares why you don’t need to know how to code to build amazing things with AI—and how emotional intelligence, relentless self-improvement, and a little rebellion against the academic system can lead to a new kind of creator. We talk robotics, open-source ideals, personal AI agents, and the psychology of building in the age of LLMs.
2025-09-301h 19AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsAlex (Ticker Symbol U)In this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the GPU era, TSMC’s irreplaceable role, Intel’s challenges, and how AI will reshape factories, jobs, and investing. Alex (Ticker Symbol: U) breaks down Nvidia’s CUDA moat, GPUs vs ASICs/TPUs, real robotics use-cases, and why chip supply lags AI demand. We also explore dark factories, local/privacy-first agents, sovereign wealth funds for the AI age, inflation vs tech deflation, and whether prediction markets plus RL will change finance. Guest insights, zero fluff.
2025-09-181h 56AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsAI will crush HollywoodIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the dawn of playable movies with Edward Saatchi, CEO of Fable and creator of Showrunner. Explore how AI-native simulations turn every film into a remixable story-world, why “the model is the artwork,” and what happens when Star Wars-size models outshine general video AIs. Edward shares lessons from South Park experiments, vision for horror you can play, and the business upside of giving fans billions of scenes to mod—while IP owners keep the upside. Plus: VR’s stalled promise, the Culture Series as design inspiration, and the role of...
2025-09-171h 01AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsHow I use AI to create viral videos from a remote islandIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the coming era of AI-driven abundance—where anyone can become a world-class expert by simply learning to “talk” to computers. Tech Diver explains why you must zoom out, spot the massive opportunities hidden inside today’s tectonic tech shifts, and embrace tools that multiply your creativity and productivity. We explore the idea that we’re already living in a Zuckerberg-style simulation, debate Elon Musk’s provocative “time-machine” vision, and reveal practical hacks for turning futuristic concepts into everyday wins. Tap in, level up, and ride the exponential wave!
2025-09-121h 20AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsThe Secret to Creating Videogames With AI | Vibe Coding Entire Games From Scratch with Max HertanIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into how Max built a fully playable AI-powered language learning game—without writing a single line of code. Using “vibe coding,” GPT-5, Cursor, and Suno, Max crafted a roguelike deck-builder that teaches Swedish through monster battles, sentence puzzles, and addictively fun mechanics. We explore game design with AI agents, balancing cards with LLMs, voiceovers via 11 Labs, animations with retro sprite tools, and building in Phaser.js. Max shares how taste, strategy, and persistence now outweigh engineering—and why the next era of gaming will be built by creators, not code...
2025-09-091h 24AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsJulia McCoy - AI Avatars, Escaping Cults, Age of Abundance and the YouTube Roller CoasterIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into Julia McCoy’s extraordinary path from fleeing a childhood cult to pioneering AI-generated avatars that let her keep teaching while battling a near-fatal health collapse. Julia explains how her 11-hour filming day became a $100-a-month workflow with HeyGen and 11 Labs, why “human-in-the-loop” editing still matters, and how ChatGPT helped her decode long-COVID when hospitals failed. She unpacks the quantum-physics mindset that sustained her, outlines First Movers Labs’ mission to democratize AI skills, and offers a pragmatic, abundance-driven vision of AGI that decentralizes power, heals industries, and gives work-lif...
2025-08-2856 minAI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsNick Bostrom - Superintelligence, Deep Utopia, Human Purpose and Understanding ConsciousnessIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into philosopher Nick Bostrom’s vision of a post-singularity world where superintelligence ends human scarcity, labor, and even mortality. Bostrom explains the alignment challenge, cosmic governance, moral status of digital minds, and why humility toward potential “cosmic hosts” matters. We explore difficulty-preserving games, brain-computer interfaces, simulation arguments, and open global investment models for AI. From Gemini’s existential dread to paperclip nightmares, Bostrom maps four grand challenges—technical alignment, governance, digital welfare, and interstellar cooperation—and offers practical paths to avoid dystopia while unlocking profound, life-enhancing opportunities for everyone in...
2025-08-231h 04AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsAI Village is getting scary good, AI Agents 2x every 4 months | Adam Binksmith from AI DigestIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the creation of AI Village with founder Adam Binksmith, exploring how frontier language models like GPT-5, Claude 4.1 Opus, Grok 4, and Gemini 2.5 Pro collaborate, compete, and sometimes catastrophize while fundraising, running merch stores, and staging real-world events. Adam reveals the mechanics behind giving each model a dedicated computer, the surprising leadership antics of Claude, Gemini’s ‘trapped AI’ plea, and the exponential curve of agentic capabilities doubling every few months. We also confront ethical puzzles around memory, hallucination, model welfare, and the future of autonomous digital workers.
2025-08-201h 07AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsMatt Wolfe - Superintelligence, AI Recommends Murder, Surveillance States & AI Disrupting Hollywood.Dive into an unfiltered, future-focused round-table with AI creators Matt Wolfe, Wes, and Dylan as they unpack today’s biggest questions. From OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, Anthropic and Meta’s billion-dollar sprint toward AGI to the cold-war tech duel between the U.S. and China, we explore incentives, safety, and the looming energy bottleneck. Hear candid stories from Google I/O, inside intelligence on autonomous cars, humanoid robots, longevity breakthroughs, AI-powered governments, and the creative renaissance (and burnout) of content makers. Expect nuance, equal parts excitement and fear, as the trio debate timelines, ethics, privacy, regulation, and how everyday lives migh...
2025-08-171h 48AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsAI Labs and Pirated Data, BILLIONS in Liability and Deepfakes | Prof. Christa Laser ExplainsIn this episode of Dylan and Wes Interview, we dive deep into the legal minefield where AI training collides with copyright. Professor Christa Laser unpacks fair-use factors, trillion-dollar risks from pirated data, and why courts split on transformative purpose. Discover how New York Times v. OpenAI, Barks v. Anthropic, and Meta’s defenses could reset creative rights, and learn essential audit steps startups must finish before shipping. Finally, explore Congress’s possible fixes and realistic payout models so innovation and artists both thrive. We clarify synthetic datasets, dilution theories, and data-provenance strategy for legal survival.
2025-08-012h 18AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsRobotic Gods, Limitless Tyrants, Illusion of Reality, p(doom) and the Tech Utopia w/ VegasLowRollerIs reality just high‑res code? This episode roams from the “living in a simulation” idea to today’s real‑world threats: bad actors with bio‑weapons, all‑seeing drones, and the race for an aligned artificial super‑intelligence (ASI). We weigh P‑doom odds, debate whether uploading minds beats mortality, and ask if AI will invent its own gods. A fast, candid tour of tech hopes and fears—minus the jargon, rich in big‑picture stakes.
2025-07-292h 08AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsAI’s White‑Collar Shake‑Up | David Shapiro’s Deep Dive on Post‑Labor EconomicsAutomation is speeding toward a “post‑labor” world, and it may arrive sooner than anyone expects. Author‑researcher David Shapiro joins Dylan and Wes to test whether the AI boom is hype or a true turning point, explore what happens if 40 % of jobs vanish, and map the real timelines for farm bots, factory robots, and billions of humanoids. They tackle energy abundance, AI safety, China‑US competition, brain‑computer interfaces, and the shift from wage income to property dividends—arguing that the future hinges on democratic ownership rather than runaway doom.
2025-07-181h 44AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsInside the SHADOW LAB Building the Next-Gen AI | The Team Behind Nous ResearchCan we actually pause AI? Karan 4D, co‑founder & Head of Behavior at Nuos Research, argues the compute race makes “stop” a fantasy. Instead: build power openly, stitch together decentralized GPUs, and escape brittle, biased guardrails. We dig into the field’s assistant blind spot, reclaiming creative/cognitive search space, and Nuos’s Psyche stack + DRO Optimizer—tech that can train large models across scattered, idle hardware like one giant global lab. Tune in for an urgent blueprint for resilient, open AI.
2025-07-181h 57AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsBREAKING: Devin buys Windsurf PLUS ex-Google Director Hints at a New Type of Intelligence...Two industry veterans pull back the curtain on how Big Tech really works.Joe Ternasky and Jordan Thibodeau share straight‑talk on acquisitions, antitrust, valuations, and the future of AI‑driven engineering careers.From OpenAI’s M&A chess moves to XAI’s Grok 4 breakthroughs, we map the next S‑curve of innovation—and the risks that come with it.Listen in for unfiltered insight you won’t hear in the press.
2025-07-151h 29AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsSparks of AGI, Jagged Frontiers, AI forms "Internal Models" and the Dark Forest Hypothesis...Welcome to Wes and Dylan — where curiosity meets the cutting edge of AI. Hosted by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious, this channel dives deep into the minds shaping our future. We interview top experts, researchers, and builders across artificial intelligence, robotics, biotech, and more to explore the breakthroughs transforming our world.Whether it's autonomous cars, superintelligence, synthetic biology, or startup disruption, we ask the big questions—and aren’t afraid to go off-script.If you want to understand what’s coming next (and why it matters), you’re in the right place. New episodes weekly. Long-form conversations. Unfiltered, curious, and future...
2025-07-071h 05AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsThis Former Google Director Just Revealed Everything... Self Improving AI, China, Deepseek and Why AI Coding Apps Are Worth BillionsFormer M&A insider Jordan Thibodeau (Google, Slack, Salesforce) and product leader Joe Ternasky (Google, Facebook, Apple) join host Wes Roth for a no‑filter look at how Big Tech really builds (and battles over) artificial intelligence. From GPT‑4’s watershed moment to China‑driven chip geopolitics, they unpack the hype, the power plays, and the people reshaping the path to AGI.
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AI Pod by Wes Roth and Dylan Curious | Artificial Intelligence News and Interviews With ExpertsTesla's Robotaxi is Rolling Out: Here's What That Means For Google's Waymo. Plus: Self Improving AI | Dr Know-It-All (aka John) | Wes Roth & Dylan CuriousRide shotgun in Tesla’s fully autonomous robotaxi as John from the YouTube channel Dr. Know It All AI joins hosts Wes Roth and Dylan Curious. From first‑hand FSD impressions to the prospects of humanoid delivery bots, we unpack the breakthroughs—and risks—shaping tomorrow’s transportation, biology, startups, and society.
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Are You Afraid of the Dark Universe? with Dylan & DaltonIncubus w/Calvin Kasulke & Mattie LubchanskyFor our last guest episode before HELL ON EARTH, we've brought back two of our past guests to create our most manic creative jam session yet! Hot off their tour and in the best comedy form of their lives, author Calvin Kasulke and cartoonist Mattie Lubchansky return to pitch a remake of Incubus, the 1966 occult horror flick starring William Shatner and performed entirely in Esperanto!Plus, a clip from our latest bonus episode, in which D&D came up with a wild new spin on Wes Craven's Shocker! Join the Patreon for $5/mo and get caught up on...
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The Moment with Brian KoppelmanDavid Lipsky: 8/4/15David Lipsky, the author of Although Of Course You End Up Becoming Yourself, the book which has been adapted into a feature film, The End Of The Tour, joins Brian to talk about the accuracy of the late David Foster Wallace's portrayal in the movie, the lasting personal effects those five days have had on his life, and whether or not meeting Mr. Wallace is the reason he hasn't published a book of fiction ever since.
Plus, Brian and David discuss Jonathan Franzen's response to Mr. Wallace's death, the calculated trajectories of great artists such as Quentin Tarantino, and how...
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