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The Culture JournalistOpinionated software: AI and the arts, revisitedCUJO is a podcast about culture in the age of platforms. Episodes drop every other week, but if you want the full experience, we recommend signing up for a paid subscription. Paid subscribers also get access to our CUJOPLEX Discord and The Weather Report, a monthly episode series where we take stock of where the cultural winds are blowing and tell you what’s rained into our brains.Hi pals. In 2022, we did an episode with artist, technologist, and friend-of-the-pod Mat Dryhurst to discuss a question that now feels almost quaint: Is AI good or bad for ar...
2026-03-201h 37
Le Random34: Anna Ridler & Sofia Crespo—The Natural History of Machine Learning with Peter Bauman (Deep Learning Series 03)In this episode, host Peter Bauman (Le Random's editor in chief) speaks with pioneering artist duo Anna Ridler and Sofia Crespo about their long-running collaboration bringing machine learning into dialogue with natural history.They trace their early encounters with deep learning—from memes, browser histories, and speech-to-text to data visualization, encyclopedias, and NeurIPS Creativity Workshops—and how both arrived at AI through questions of classification and what it means to “understand” the world.They also discuss fusing natural history and machine learning across their five collaborative projects (including Anna Atkins–i...
2025-11-2854 min
Macho PodEpisode 13: Bryan Johnson (Immortal Twitter Guy) feat. Mat Dryhurst (Mortal?)There are way too many dudes named Brian and/or Bryan Johnson (AC/DC guy, Liver King guy etc.) but the one we’re talking about today is the Bryan Johnson who tweets all day about the crazy science experiments he does on himself in the hopes of becoming immortal. We brought on our friend, the musician and technologist Mat Dryhurst, to talk about Johnson and his schtick. In the episode, Mat admits that he’s “kind of a transhumanist,” then we talk about how everyone becomes a parody of themselves to get attention these days, consider whether it’s better t...
2025-09-261h 05
Mixcloud Presents: The Inside TrackMat Dryhurst on the complex nature of generative AI, creativity and music cultureIn the final episode of the first season of The Inside Track, Nico is joined by Mat Dryhurst.Mat is an artist, musician and technological researcher based in Germany. Alongside his partner Holly Herndon, he works on interdisciplinary audiovisual projects that explore the creative potential and ethics of creating content using technologies, such as AI, Web 3.0, and blockchain.Dryhurst is the co-founder of Spawning, an organisation that gives artists the means to opt in or out of data sets used to train AI models for generative art.
2025-08-121h 43
Looks Like NewAre you being trained?AI is advancing at lightning speed—so fast that questions of ownership and data use often get left behind. What control do we really have over our data in these massive language models? And how can we rethink governance for AI?
On this episode of Looks Like New, MEDLab fellow Andy DiLallo speaks with Berlin-based artist, musician, and technologist Mat Dryhurst. Known for his work on collective ownership and digital governance. We hear how DIY music culture shaped Mat’s approach to technology, the importance of transparency in AI, and the role institutions can play in building ethi...
2025-05-2954 minLooks Like NewAre you being trained?AI is advancing at lightning speed—so fast that questions of ownership and data use often get left behind. What control do we really have over our data in these massive language models? And how can we rethink governance for AI?
On this episode of Looks Like New, MEDLab fellow Andy DiLallo speaks with Berlin-based artist, musician, and technologist Mat Dryhurst. Known for his work on collective ownership and digital governance. We hear how DIY music culture shaped Mat’s approach to technology, the importance of transparency in AI, and the role institutions can play in building ethi...
2025-05-2954 min
NET SocietyEp30 The Womb of a Simulated CubicleDerek is out this week, so the Net Society crew is joined by special guest Poof for a mind-bending journey into simulations, AI, and the future of media. The episode opens with the origin story behind Poof’s name and career pivot into crypto, before diving into his latest project: a large-scale, multi-agent simulation “DX Terminal.” From there, the crew explores strange emergent behaviors from synthetic agents, including scam coin schemes and binary-only communication. A wide-ranging discussion follows on simulation theory, self-reinforcing media loops, and the coming age of customizable digital realities. They close with a candid look at the st...
2025-05-121h 16
The Culture & Technology PodcastEva Jäger: The Making of a ModelHow to communicate and collaborate with AI
To kick off season 5 of The Culture and Technology podcast we are joined by Eva Jäger to peel back the layers behind Serpentine's latest exhibition, The Call.
Severin and Eva examine how art institutions can move beyond reactive approaches to technology, and towards meaningful experimentation and agency, with The Call exhibition as an example.
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Eva Jäger (she/her), based in London, is a Curator, Arts Technologist and Creative AI Lead at Serpentine. She recently curated The Call, Mat Dryhurst’s and Holly Herndon’s solo...
2025-02-1946 min
Liquid CultureAll Media Is Training Data | Mat DryhurstIn this episode, Natalie chats with Mat Dryhurst — long-time musician, technologist and artist advocate. We dive into Mat’s early background and initial forays into blending frontier technology with creative practices, how & why Art is becoming increasingly intertwined with technology, “Protocol Art,” what it means to be creative in the age of AI, spawning vs. sampling, reviving the ethos of “the commons” and “public goods” as it relates to media, the responsibility of artists today, and much more.
2025-02-1245 min
RA ExchangeEX.751 Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst"We're pro-AI and we're pro-consent. Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive." The activists and artists talk about the hot button issues facing AI's governance.The world is deep in the throes of a heightening debate over AI. Just this week, the Vatican published an essay addressing the potential, and risks, of AI in a new high-tech world as well as its intersection with religion and humanity. In politics, figures like Elon Musk are advising citizens that the US government will become increasingly "AI-first," using data about its individuals to make federal decisions. And in the world of culture...
2025-02-0559 minLe Random20: Recapping 2024 and Projecting 2025 in Digital ArtIn this conversation, the Le Random team reflects on a whirlwind 2024 in digital art and looks ahead to 2025. Host Peter Bauman (Editor-in-Chief at Le Random) is joined by thefunnyguys (CEO) and Conrad House (Collection Lead).
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Chapter 1: Introduction
[00:00:05] - Host Peter Bauman introduces the podcast, the guests, and the agenda: reflecting on 2024 and discussing the outlook for 2025.
Chapter 2: Themes of 2024
[00:01:26] - Discussion on the major themes of 2024, focusing on digital art platforms like fxhash, Foundation, Art Blocks, and their pivots or expansions.
- The Art...
2025-01-131h 29
Verse TalksTeam picks and highlights of 202401:38 - Highlights and Lowlights 22:23 - Collector of the year 30:44 - Influencer of the year 40:25 - Blockchain of the year 46:10 - Controversy of the year 59:15 - Most though provoking piece of the year 01:01:46 - Series of the year 01:05:37 - Artwork of the year 01:08:21 - Favourite pieces collected this year 01:18:22 - Favourite new discovery this year 01:21:03 - Artist of the year 01:25:35 - Parting thoughts on 2024 Collector of the year: Studio137: https://gallery.so...
2024-12-311h 31
ChannelNM86 | Artists Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst on a new paradigm of artmakingIn part due to the rise of AI-enabled systems, we are witnessing a shift in where and how the creative act takes place. It is a phenomenon that artists Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst have been grappling with for more than a decade through their music and their work with machine learning and its governance. With their exhibition “The Call” on view at the Serpentine in London through February 2nd and their book All Media is Training Data out this week, Holly and Mat join NM to talk about a new paradigm of artmaking and artist subject. We also disc...
2024-12-141h 14
New ModelsPreview | Artists Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst on a new paradigm of artmaking (NM86)This is a preview | Full episode released to subscribers: 14 Dec 2024 | Subscribe --> newmodels.io
// In part due to the rise of AI-enabled systems, we are witnessing a shift in where and how the creative act takes place. It is a phenomenon that artists Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst have been grappling with for more than a decade through their music and their work with machine learning and its governance. With their exhibition “The Call” on view at the Serpentine in London through February 2nd and their book All Media is Training Data out this week, Holly and Mat join NM to t...
2024-12-1420 min
Clout FarmEpisode 30: "CARTEL OF RESPECT" feat. Mat Dryhurst *FULL EP ON PATREON*Mat Dryhurst pon farm for a very TECHNOLOGICAL episode of pod. We entered his dormitory in the Goethe Institute and proceeded to ‘interface’ (tech term).Docket: Millennial ukelelecore, the Phil Spector of AI music, pro-natalism, Pomplamoose Hentai, iBena, Nathan Barley, Odd Future, iShowSpeed = Tarkovsky, how to train your Drake model, only listening to Brummie grime, Peter Thiel’s plan to be a PKD villain, the guy from Crass being a Scientologist, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Southern Records, NEOM, and also other matters. Mat failed the replicant test 🥶TW: Bodies navigating spaces, intersections, networks, ecologies, models, musicolog...
2024-10-2144 min
The Ezra Klein Show‘Artificial Intelligence?’ No, Collective Intelligence.A.I.-generated art has flooded the internet, and a lot of it is derivative, even boring or offensive. But what could it look like for artists to collaborate with A.I. systems in making art that is actually generative, challenging, transcendent?Holly Herndon offered one answer with her 2019 album “PROTO.” Along with Mathew Dryhurst and the programmer Jules LaPlace, she built an A.I. called “Spawn” trained on human voices that adds an uncanny yet oddly personal layer to the music. Beyond her music and visual art, Herndon is trying to solve a problem that many creative...
2024-05-2451 min
Music Not Diving with Scuba#083 Mat DryhurstWhen I make a specific effort to talk to people about AI, the responses range from the occasional Chat GPT enthusiast to a much-more-common feigning of indifference, hinting at a deep insecurity and probably-quite-pronounced fear. This week's guest is perfectly placed to offer a degree of reassurance, or at least a bit more of a balanced view on the coming storm. And make no mistake, it is coming. Mat Dryhurst, along with Holly Herndon, has long been engaged in important work at the intersection of music and emergent tech, from the Holly+ project with its...
2023-08-291h 43
New ModelsUnlocked | Infinite Drake w/ Mat Dryhurst & Holly Herndon (NM64)First released: 2 May 2023 | To join New Models, find us via https://patreon.com/newmodels & https://newmodels.substack.com
Few, if any, are more conversant in AI’s impact on creative production than HOLLY HERNDON and MAT DRYHURST. In part this is because the artist-musicians (and hosts of the Interdependence podcast) have also become, out of necessity, technologists. And perhaps it’s due to their DIY drive to not just comment on but actually build the tools and protocols artists need to more effectively navigate the 21st century that they are optimistic about it. In a conversation ranging from new baselines for...
2023-06-131h 05
ChannelNM64 | Infinite Drake w/ artists Holly Herndon & Mat DryhurstFew, if any, are more conversant in AI’s impact on creative production than HOLLY HERNDON and MAT DRYHURST. In part this is because the artist-musicians (and hosts of the Interdependence podcast) have also become, out of necessity, technologists. And perhaps it’s due to their DIY drive to not just comment on but actually build the tools and protocols artists need to more effectively navigate the 21st century that they are optimistic about it. In a conversation ranging from new baselines for “art” to the future terms of IP and the horizons of identity and ownership, Mat and Holly sh...
2023-05-021h 05
InterdependenceIs A.I. good or bad for art? With The Culture JournalistMat joined our friends Emilie & Andrea at The Culture Journalist to cover a brief history of the current wave of AI art, why artist replacement narratives can veer on the absurd, and the work we are doing launching our new organization Spawning. Read and subscribe to the Culture Journalist: https://theculturejournalist.substack.com/See if you feature in AI training models, and opt out or opt in: https://haveibeentrained.com/
2022-10-251h 14
The Culture JournalistIs A.I. good or bad for art?AI image-generation tools like DALL-E 2, Midjourney, and Stable Diffusion are creating something of a moral panic in the worlds of art, media, and design. And for good reason: Graphic designers and other commercial artists are worried that AI will spur companies to replace human labor with machines while exacerbating the scourge of intellectual property theft that they’ve already been dealing with on the internet for years. A photo director at New York magazine recently penned an essay asking whether DALL-E 2 was going to put her out of a job. Which all raises the question: Is AI the beginning of...
2022-09-221h 14
The Culture JournalistInside the new digital musical counterculture, with Mark ReditoIn the spring of 2021, we recorded an interview with artist, technologist, and Interdependence host Mat Dryhurst about a then-little-known technology called NFTs, short for non-fungible tokens. (You may have heard of them.) Seemingly out of nowhere, musicians like Grimes and Kings of Leon were netting millions of dollars by uploading their work to something called the blockchain — and we wanted to take a moment to get clear on exactly what NFTs were, and if there was a chance that they could help independent artists make a living. Mat made a compelling case for why, despite the legitimate env...
2022-08-111h 00
InterdependencePrepping for the metaverse with Sterling CrispinWe are happy to be back after Mat's COVID trip, discussing art prepping, Sterling's upcoming ArtBlocks piece, and his expert opinions on the state of ML, AR, VR and what is worth watching (and ignoring) about the impending metaverse.Sterling's upcoming ArtBlocks reveal: https://www.artblocks.io/project/279Sterling's art: http://www.sterlingcrispin.com/Sterling's great blog: https://sterlingcrispin.blogspot.com/Sterling's twitter: https://twitter.com/sterlingcrispin
2022-05-111h 35
Money 4 NothingMat Dryhurst and the Case for Crypto in Music (Part 2)Part 2 of our conversation with Mat Dryhurst on Crypto’s evolving place in the music industry, both major and independent. Dryhurst has long been one of the most active and articulate proponents of these technologies (and the social formations developing around them) and has a deep well of experience and knowledge in this fast-moving space. While we don’t agree on everything, it was very much the kind of conversation that’s needed to push forward our understanding of the billionaire-backed, contractually-decentralized, AI-drenched future that’s beginning to emerge in certain corners of the internet.
Listen to Part 1!
2022-04-0440 minMoney 4 NothingMat Dryhurst and the Case for Crypto in Music (Part 1)Over the past year, we’ve devoted more than a few episodes to discussions about Crypto, NFTs, and Web3—projects that we’ve been, it feels safe to say…fairly skeptical about. Given that skepticism, we were delighted to have the chance speak to Mat Dryhurst, who hosts the Interdependence podcast with Holly Herndon, for a discussion about Crypto’s evolving place in the music industry, both major and independent. Dryhurst has long been one of the most active and articulate proponents of these technologies (and the social formations developing around them) and has a deep well of experience and knowle...
2022-03-281h 06
Music LifeLimitless technology with Tom Furse, Caroline Shaw, Holly Herndon, Arushi Jain and Mat DryhurstTom Furse, Caroline Shaw, Holly Herndon, Arushi Jain and Mat Dryhurst discuss why using computers makes their music feel more human, using the sound of plant pots, and how new technology will be viewed as old fashioned and retro in a few years.Tom Furse is the keyboard player with British rock band the Horrors, and is also a producer, remix artist, and “maker of music”. He’s talking to Arushi Jain, a composer, pianist, synthesist, and singer from New York who grew up in Delhi. She blends her computer science and engineering studies with her musician influe...
2021-09-1030 min
Entrepreneurship and ArtE&A Talk: NFTs and Interdependent Networks with Mat DryhurstMat Dryhurst joins George, Carly and Dan this week to answer all sorts of important questions. Is New Zealand the best place to live? Are we living in a sim? Is post-modernism the metaverse? They also talk about the future of Web 3.0, the major flaw of pay-per-stream models, and the similarities between NFTs, the music industry, the art world, venture capitalists, and sex work.
2021-05-051h 42
InterdependenceHuman music curation, non binary thinking, bundles, scarcity and participation with Tony Lashley (Marine Snow)Sign up for updates on the Marine Snow project: https://marine-snow.co/sssFollow Tony Lashley: https://twitter.com/tooonyl
2021-04-121h 10
InterdependenceWorld Fairs, WorldBuilding, the bicameral mind, the nightmare of organizing research and the art of memory with KantbotPseudodoxology Podcast Network: https://www.patreon.com/Pseudodoxia"The Deluge": https://medium.com/@EdwardWaverley/the-deluge-f62968b20972"The Sublimity of Permanent Collapse": https://medium.com/@EdwardWaverley/the-sublimity-of-permanent-collapse-and-the-leibnizian-problem-of-monadic-optimization-inherent-in-70d6e8be095aBooks!Anything by Frederick BeiserThe Art of Memory by Frances A.Yates :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_MemoryThe Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind
2021-04-121h 11
InterdependenceDiscussing the essay funded via $ESSAY, Scissor Labels and Hyperpop fandoms with John Palmer, Kara Kittel & Toby Shorin (Other Internet)Scissor Labels Essay: https://j.mirror.xyz/RUeJfZEZxr-hkuzUCakQyUuf2kOJVMPPiAWBaQFhhqcHow it was funded via $ESSAY: https://j.mirror.xyz/uVGCCwwm3k341lPpxaJmHTZROESVse9Pe_rmbiuUAC0John Palmer: https://johnpalmer.site/#/Kara Kittel: https://twitter.com/karakittel?lang=enToby Shorin: https://tobyshorin.com/Other Internet: https://otherinter.net/
2021-03-231h 52
InterdependenceRadical Transparency, humor > disinformation, poetry for machines, avatar politicians and giving non-human entities a vote with Digital Minister of Taiwan Audrey Tanghttp://audreyt.org/
2021-03-221h 18
InterdependenceSinoFuturism, AIDOL, NFT Murder Plots and Future Pop Stardom with Lawrence LekBack in the saddle with Artist and Musician Lawrence Lek for the advent of his latest film AIDOL (2019) and the release of it's wonderful soundtrack on Hyperdub.We discuss AI Pop Stars, SinoFuturism, IP and cultural stereotypes, NFT murder plots and a great deal moreHave a wonderful week all :)LINKSLawrence Lek: https://lawrencelek.com/AIDOL OST (Hyperdub): https://hyperdub.net/products/lawrence-lek-aidol-ostAIDOL Trailer: https://vimeo.com/331655114Geomancer Trailer: https://vimeo.com/251303726
2021-03-172h 00
InterdependenceHope Running, Economic Fiction and MetaModernism with Simon de la RouviereIn celebration of his new book "Hope Runners of Gridlock", we chat to polymath Simon de la Rouviere about designing new economies, never ending stories, Metamodernism and maintaining hope!Buy the book! https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/hope-runners-of-gridlockFollow Simon's writings! https://blog.simondlr.com/Follow Simon! https://twitter.com/simondlr
2021-03-172h 02
The Culture JournalistWhat are NFTS? And can they save independent music? What does the unfolding NFT craze mean for the future of music—and particularly, for independent artists? To help us make sense of this strange new chapter in the cultural economy, we enlisted Mat Dryhurst, a Berlin-based artist, technologist, and teacher who you’ve probably seen commenting on such brain-bending matters on Twitter—and who co-hosts the fantastic Interdependence podcast with Holly Herndon. He’s been exploring the possibilities of blockchain technology in his work for some time, and is a firm believer that it has the potential to rewire the economics of independent music from the ground up—just not i...
2021-03-1257 min
InterdependencePrimacism: David Rudnick on the struggle for Primacy, type and poetry's unique value in an age of digital and physical conflict, and Percy Shelley's Mont BlancA rare conversation with designer David Rudnick https://void.davidrudnick.org/
2021-03-012h 27
InterdependenceNFTs for n00bs: A brief history of tokens and tulips, NFT aesthetics, energy dramas, fan brigades, social tokens and the meataverse with Daniel Keller (New Models) AA brief history of tokens and tulips, NFT aesthetics, energy dramas, fan brigades, social tokens and the meataverse with Daniel Keller (New Models)Check out New Models!https://newmodels.io/https://www.patreon.com/newmodels Topic marks!3:00 NFTs and Post Internet5:00 Metahaven “Can Jokes Bring Down Governments?” https://www.amazon.com/Can-Jokes-Bring-Down-Governments/dp/099291468X7:00 NFTs for n00bs / What is an NFT11:30 Ethereum Name Services15:00 History of the space16:00 Cryptokitties20:00 Tulip Mania was overblown!...
2021-03-011h 50
InterdependenceProtocols, Permissions and non-human communication with the Indigenous Protocol and Artificial Intelligence Working GroupHello everyone! Over the moon this week to welcome Professor Jason Edward Lewis and Suzanne Kite of the Indigenous Protocol and AI Working group!We discuss the origins and goals of the project, different perspectives on creating AI elders, lessons about communicating with non human intelligences from various Indigenous groups, where utopian freedom of information ideas clash with ideas of self determination, and speculations about building a Hawaiian programming language. We may take a break next week, but have plenty more great conversations recorded for you all. Thanks again for your support and have a s...
2021-02-231h 43
InterdependenceArtist Led Pricing, Scene ownership and defecting from Spotify with AudiusIn this episode we welcome the full Audius squad, Roneil Rumberg, Forrest Browning and Clayton Blaha to discuss their new music protocol, how it establishes the rails for artist led, rather than centrally mandated, pricing and design of economic and interactive relationships, Soundcloud and the dangers of platform risk, and the ways in which we might drag people away from centralised platforms and communicate the benefits unlocked by decentralised scene ownership.It was a wonderful discussion and I left it feeling very confident that this group of people are onto something! Head over to audius.co to...
2021-02-161h 50
InterdependencePharmako-AI: co-writing with an AI and navigating the dark hallways of the mind with K Allado-McDowell (and GPT-3)In the advent of their new book “Pharmako-AI”, co-written with OpenAI’s GPT-3 system, we speak to K Allado-McDowell (and GPT-3) about creating with an inhuman (and a human), the nature and history of intelligence, and focussing art and technology towards healing.K Allado-McDowell is a writer, speaker, and musician. They are the author, with GPT-3, of the book Pharmako-AI, and are co-editor, with Ben Vickers, of The Atlas of Anomalous AI. Allado-McDowell records and releases music under the name Qenric.Allado-McDowell established the Artists + Machine Intelligence program at Google AI. They are a conference speaker...
2021-02-021h 35
InterdependenceGood Elitism and The New Philistinism with Eliane GlaserLet's talk about elitism.Buy Eliane's incredible book Elitism: A Progressive Defensehttps://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/elitism-a-progressive-defence
2021-01-191h 22
InterdependencePost Capitalist Desire, Melancholy, Psychedelia and Mark Fisher with Matt ColquhounWe welcome author Matt Colquhoun to discuss his release of TWO new books exploring the work of the late, great Mark Fisher.We discuss Mark's life and legacy, Post Capitalist desire, accelerationism, the various misinterpretations of Capitalist Realism, and the need for psychedelic new fantasies.Postcapitalist Desire: The Final Lectures: https://repeaterbooks.com/product/postcapitalist-desire-the-final-lectures/Egress: On Mourning, Melancholy and Mark Fisher: https://repeaterbooks.com/product/egress-on-mourning-melancholy-and-mark-fisher/Xenogothic: https://xenogothic.com/
2021-01-132h 28
InterdependenceThe CIA, CCF and Cultural Cold War with Frances Stonor SaundersIt was difficult to coordinate release schedules with the CIA but we got there in the endThis week we discuss the CIA and the art world with Frances Stonor Saunders, author of the canonical book in this field "Who Paid The Piper?". Big thanks to the HKW for facilitating this discussion, and be sure to check out the other programming from their "Disappearance of Music" event.LINKSWho Paid the Piper?:https://granta.com/products/who-paid-the-piper/HKW Disappearance of Music: https://www.hkw.de/en/programm/projekte/2020/das_v...
2021-01-061h 35
Interdependence GuestsSquad Wealth with Other InternetReally happy to welcome Other Internet to the podcast, an independent strategy and research squad based between New York and Berlin.
Their recent essay “Squad Wealth” looks at the phenomenon of interdependent squads emerging on the internet as a necessary progression from the atomized independence economy.
We discuss Squad Wealth and their other incredibly useful conception of Headless Brands, the redundancy of the binary left/right axis when tracking emerging cultural developments, critiques that have been leveled against their Squad analysis, and different decentralized institutions and arrangements that are forming to spread big squad energy.
Wonderful group of people. Hope you...
2020-12-241h 40Interdependence GuestsInterdependent artist payments and live streaming through COVID-19 with Nico Perez (Mixcloud)It’s a hot one! This afternoon recorded a discussion with Mixcloud CEO and DJ Nico Perez, and our studio was so hot that we had to keep all the windows open for our own health and also to keep the laptop from spontaneously combusting! As a result this recording is resplendent with the occasional child screaming or dog barking, but hopefully that adds to the experience :)
Nico joined us to discuss Mixcloud's select feature for directly supporting artists, how their bold move to introduce payment splits between DJ’s and artists could potentially be taken further, club culture under COVI...
2020-12-241h 35Interdependence GuestsWhat would a new club economy look like? Part 2 with Richie HawtinThe second part of our discussion facilitated in collaboration with Sonar +D and Ars Electronica.
Particularly excited to share this one, where we reflect upon what foundations of the club economy appear to be most exposed by the current crisis, discuss Richie's work with AFEM to help get producers paid, and speculate on the possibility of new and necessary economic relationships between DJ's and producers under a guild model.
Links
AFEM: https://www.associationforelectronicmusic.org/initiatives/ (https://www.associationforelectronicmusic.org/initiatives/)
2020-12-241h 07Interdependence GuestsArtist tokens, Community Owned Institutions and the Reliance Alliance with ZORAThis week we welcome Dee and Jacob from Zora, a new organisation that is building tools for artists to issue tokens around their creative practices.
We discuss their idea of dynamic pricing of art releases and at the advent of the musician RAC releasing his $RAC token through ZORA, the new space of artists and their audiences owning a stake in the value they interdependently create in the world. We also talk a tour around the very short history of artist token models, how these new tools are enabling financial literacy, what not to do, and what other potential models...
2020-12-241h 46Interdependence GuestsHope Running, Economic Fiction and MetaModernism with Simon de la RouviereIn celebration of his new book "Hope Runners of Gridlock", we chat to polymath Simon de la Rouviere about designing new economies, never ending stories, Metamodernism and maintaining hope!
Buy the book! https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/hope-runners-of-gridlock (https://blog.simondlr.com/posts/hope-runners-of-gridlock)
Follow Simon's writings! https://blog.simondlr.com/ (https://blog.simondlr.com/)
Follow Simon! https://twitter.com/simondlr (https://twitter.com/simondlr)
2020-12-242h 02Interdependence GuestsStreaming Issues with Liz PellyIn this episode we speak with the writer Liz Pelly, who over the past 5 years has written a series of revelatory critical pieces about the streaming economy for The Baffler.
We discuss whether the distinction of Independence is all that useful in music at this point in history, take a look at the ways in which the streaming platforms flatter some kinds of music and have flattered to deceive for others, and question what the recent Spotify exclusivity deal with Joe Rogan might mean for musicians.
This is a nice and long conversation, and we had one or two connection...
2020-12-241h 42Interdependence GuestsAugmenting creativity and ethical AI with Jesse Engel (Google Magenta)In this episode we talk with Jesse Engel, musician, Senior Research Scientist at Google Brain and creative lead of the Magenta project.
Magenta is an open source research project exploring the role of machine learning as a tool in the creative process, developed by numerous researchers and engineers from the Google brain team, Google’s self directed machine intelligence group.
Amongst many things we discuss the role and research focus of Magenta, look at how research lab OpenAI’s recent Jukebox project raised some necessary ethical debates around the puppeteering of living artists voices and styles, get psychedelic abou...
2020-12-241h 35Interdependence GuestsAnarchist UBI and weird fatigue with Sarah Friend (Circles UBI)We join Sarah Friend, core developer from talk-of-the-town project Circles UBI to discuss the crazy few weeks they have been having trying to give away a UBI through social trust networks. We pull apart how the project works and discuss the history of local currencies, potential dystopian scenarios, "weird fatigue" and the turbulence of pursuing an art practice that involves building things that do stuff.
We went on a recording frenzy this past week so have a bunch more great episodes lined up. Hope you are all good!
Links!
Circles UBI
https://circles.garden/ (https://circles.garden/)
Sarah's other...
2020-12-241h 33Interdependence GuestsCollaborating with the dead, Hildegard of Bingen, genius and villainy with Huw Lemmey (Bad Gays)This week we are thrilled to welcome the author and critic Huw Lemmey in celebration of his new novel https://ignota.org/products/unknown-language (Unknown Language), written in collaboration with Hildegard of Bingen and out now on Ignota books
We discuss what it is like to channel the dead and write a novel together, Hildegard's visions and genius, constructed languages, and Bad Gays; Huw’s wonderful podcast with the historian Ben Miller.
We could have talked for a few lifetimes :)
Thanks again for the support and have a wonderful week!
LINKS
Unknown Language out now on Ignota Books
https://ignota.or...
2020-12-241h 57Interdependence GuestsPlatform co-ops and illusory democratisation with Nathan SchneiderWell what a week! Sorry this is a little late, it felt a little weird to release an episode during the election - but we didn’t expect for it to drag on this much!
In this episode we welcome Nathan Schneider, professor of media studies at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Colorado_Boulder (University of Colorado Boulder), significant player in the platform co-operativism movement and the originator of the term “exit to community”
We discuss the state of platform co-operativism today, the intersections between more traditional coop communities and the emerging crypto world, the history of co...
2020-12-241h 05Interdependence GuestsBerlin Fictions and Hyperstitional Anxiety with Elvia Wilk (Oval)For the second part of our conversation series with contemporary fiction writers we are over the moon to have a chat with Elvia Wilk, who released her debut novel “Oval” last year to great acclaim.
Oval is a beautiful book that depicts a world at vastly different scales, not least addressing the contemporary role of the artist as embedded in wider economic systems. We discuss how art communities in the shifting economic landscape of Berlin inspired some of the books themes, the increasingly entangled relationships between artists and corporations, the hyperstitional anxiety of seeing gestures from marginal scenes influence wider cult...
2020-12-241h 44Interdependence GuestsUBI and the Precariat with Professor Guy StandingIn this latest episode we talk with Professor Guy Standing, who has been at the forefront of Basic Income research for 30 years, running pilots all over the world.
We discuss his original concept of “The Precariat”, a new class that might be familiar to many listeners, the moral case for a basic income and its fans in US politics and Silicon Valley, and his vision of a future of a new left built upon enlightenment principles.
Links!
Guy Standing: https://www.guystanding.com/ (https://www.guystanding.com/)
Basic Income Earth Network: https://basicincome.org/ (https://basicincome.org/)
The Prec...
2020-12-241h 26Interdependence GuestsCyberpunk, Difference Engines and Mad Madge with Bruce SterlingHello everyone
If my voice is more reverberant than usual its because this is beaming from our new studio, which currently has no furniture, no electricity and no internet! We are hoping eventually to establish one or two of those things, and maybe even host some of these conversations live once we are all allowed to occupy space together again.
In the near term, the good news is we have a new episode for you! Last night we recorded a long and fun conversation with the Hugo award winning author and futurist Bruce Sterling. As you will hear Bruce has...
2020-12-241h 59Interdependence GuestsRadical Markets, pluralistic tech and transitioning to Socialism with Glen Weyl (RadicalxChange)In this episode we speak to Glen Weyl, author, economist and Principal Research at Microsoft Research. His ideas inspired the formation of the Radical X Change Foundation, who are holding a conference this weekend from June 19-21 I would recommend you check out.
If you are interested in following the conference, in which we are speaking alongside Audrey Tang, Digital Minister or Taiwan, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum and others, head over to http://radicalxchange.org/ (RadicalxChange.org) for more information. The interactive tickets are sold out, however I believe that the whole thing will be streamed live.
In this very...
2020-12-241h 26Interdependence GuestsThis is All Happening Right Now: Solarpunk, cultural fracking and the real Jurassic Park with Jay SpringettBack with a conversation with a special person and close friend of the podcast Jay Springett
Jay is a writer, theorist and podcaster who falls into a special category of people where we can say with some confidence that whatever they are thinking about will be commonplace in a few years. We discuss a passion of his, Solarpunk, cultural fracking, universe construction, permaculture, Russia’s real jurassic park, K pop and the factory model, reality modelling and aerospace, conspiracy theories and much more.
Can’t recommend enough that you check out Jay’s various cultural contributions, and hope you are all ha...
2020-12-241h 45Interdependence GuestsProtocols, Permissions and non-human communication with the Indigenous Protocol and Artificial Intelligence Working GroupHello everyone! Over the moon this week to welcome Professor Jason Edward Lewis and Suzanne Kite of the Indigenous Protocol and AI Working group!
We discuss the origins and goals of the project, disputes over communicating with an AI elder, lessons about communicating with non human intelligences from various Indigenous groups, where utopian freedom of information ideas clash with ideas of self determination, and future plans to build a Hawaiian programming language.
We may take a break next week, but have plenty more great conversations recorded for you all. Thanks again for your support and have a safe and...
2020-12-241h 43Interdependence Guests#brokenrecord and streaming reform with Tom Gray (PRS)This week we talk to Director at PRS for music and Gomez songwriter Tom Gray, who, through the #brokenrecord hashtag and other advocacy work has been championing the need for reform the way that streaming services work, and reform copyright policy to better protect songwriters and producers.
We discuss the case for user centric streaming over the current pro-rata payment model, what is was like to witness the transition from sales to streaming as a successful touring band, and how, at a time when the song is earning the least amount it has ever earned, the expenses to develop the...
2020-12-241h 52Interdependence GuestsOrganizing the Worlds Knowledge with Evgeny MorozovEvgeny Morozov joins to discuss COVID solutionism, left imagination and organizing the world's information with The Syllabus.
Episode NotesIf you are interested in reading Evgeny's new piece in the Guardian, visit:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/tech-coronavirus-surveilance-state-digital-disrupt (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/tech-coronavirus-surveilance-state-digital-disrupt)
Sign up to Evgeny's Syllabus project to receive a weekly syllabi curated around your interests:
https://the-syllabus.com/ (https://the-syllabus.com/)
2020-12-2453 minInterdependence GuestsAI and Music with François Pachet & Benoit Carré (Spotify CTRL LAB)We are joined by research scientist and Director of Spotify's CTRL lab François Pachet and his collaborator, the composer Benoit Carré to discuss how the latest in AI research offers a new paradigm for both composition and the concept of authorship and ownership.
This will be one of many times we pursue conversations with researchers at the cutting edge of Artificial Intelligence and music, not only because it offers a glimpse into the future of music, but also the greater economy. Music is often the first to feel the tremors for greater economic earthquakes, so it feels like an...
2020-12-241h 22Interdependence GuestsGerman Funding of the American Avant Garde with Amy C. BealThis week we are thrilled to bring a conversation with Amy C. Beal from UC Santa Cruz, whose book "New Music New Allies: Experimental Music in West Germany from the Zero Hour to Reunification" not only gives us insight into the role that German state funding has played in American experimental art since the Second World War, but also offers clues as to the unique responsibilities and complications inherent to that continued funding to the present day.
We get to discuss how the US State Department funded Jazz concerts throughout Europe, the CIA involvement in cold war soft power...
2020-12-241h 46Interdependence GuestsBLM, meaningful changes and meme music with David Turner (Penny Fractions)In this episode we welcome David Turner, writer and founder of the Penny Fractions newsletter, which holds a critical and often political lens to the latest developments in the music industry.
In this episode we discuss the music industry response to Black Lives Matter, positive infrastructural proposals that could lead to long lasting and meaningful diversification, the meme music economy, lessons from ad hoc protest gatherings and sitting on a small plane with Radiohead and Silento.
David is a deeply thoughtful and fun guest, we hope you enjoy this one!
LINKS:
Penny Fractions newsletter (sign up!): https://www.getrevue.co...
2020-12-241h 55Interdependence GuestsAI for Humans with Richie Hawtin (Part 1 of 2)Hey everyone,
happy to post the first of a two part discussion with legendary electronic music figure Richie Hawtin.
This conversation was facilitated in collaboration with Sonar +D and Ars Electronica, and video of the second part of our discussion covering proposals for an interdependent club music economy can be streamed live at 18:30 CEST this Friday as part of Sonar +D's online programming. Also worth tuning in for live performances by Arca, Laurel Halo and more. Full schedule here: https://sonarplusd.com/en/programs/barcelona-2020-special-edition/schedules (https://sonarplusd.com/en/programs/barcelona-2020-special-edition/schedules)
In this first part of...
2020-12-241h 07Interdependence GuestsLoops, Archetypes and being the Ian MacKaye of the art world with Martine SymsBack this week with a conversation with Artist Martine Syms on her extensive body of work, loops, Vine and Tik Tok, the burden of Archetypes, "Mundane Afro-Futurism" and Building Publics through publishing.
Hope you are having a safe week <3
Links
https://martinesy.ms/ (https://martinesy.ms/)
https://fourthree.boilerroom.tv/film/mundane-afrofuturist-manifesto (https://fourthree.boilerroom.tv/film/mundane-afrofuturist-manifesto)
https://dominica.la/ (https://dominica.la/)
2020-12-241h 55Interdependence GuestsReading the 21st Century on a trade ship to China with Tim Maughan (Infinite Detail)Since the idea of this podcast first came to mind, we had imagined starting a thread of conversations with fiction authors and artists that in many ways touch on some of issues that we might be exploring in other conversations.
Today we are thrilled to kick off this direction with a conversation with Tim Maughan, the author of Infinite Detail, winner of The Guardians best science fiction and fantasy book of 2019, and a gripping and prescient work that explores the simple question: what would happen if the internet stopped working?
In this conversation we discuss sailing on a trade ship...
2020-12-241h 41Interdependence GuestsLil Miquela, Avatar creators and getting humans paid with Trevor McFedries (BRUD)In this episode we catch up with Trevor McFedries, founder of the meta media studio Brud (http://brud.fyi/ (brud.fyi)), whose digital avatar artist and influencer Lil Miquela recently caused a stir through signing with one of the worlds premier talent agencies, CAA.
We discuss the origins of the project, why he sees Miquela as more of a challenge to Mickey Mouse than human artists, and also some pretty bold ideas for how avatar led projects might help us reorganise the music industry to be more equitable.
2020-12-241h 30Interdependence GuestsJustice at Spotify with The Union of Musicians and Allied WorkersHi everyone,
happy to share with you a conversation this week with The Union of Musicians and Allied Workers, whose petition making demands of Spotify to improve terms for artists has gathered over 20,000 signatures and counting.
We discuss those demands in detail, other initiatives they have undertaken and take the rare opportunity to have a conversation about living under streaming with other actively touring musicians .
LINKS
Sign up for Justice at Spotify: https://www.unionofmusicians.org/justice-at-spotify (https://www.unionofmusicians.org/justice-at-spotify)
Get involved with UMAW: https://www.unionofmusicians.org/ (https://www.unionofmusicians.org/)
Follow them: https://twitter...
2020-12-241h 46Interdependence GuestsPharmako-AI: co-writing with an AI and navigating the dark hallways of the mind with K Allado-McDowell (and GPT-3)In the advent of their new book “Pharmako-AI”, co-written with OpenAI’s GPT-3 system, we speak to K Allado-McDowell (and GPT-3) about creating with an inhuman (and a human), the nature and history of intelligence, and focussing art and technology towards healing.
K Allado-McDowell is a writer, speaker, and musician. They are the author, with GPT-3, of the book https://ignota.org/products/pharmako-ai (Pharmako-AI), and are co-editor, with Ben Vickers, of https://ignota.org/products/atlas-of-anomalous-ai (The Atlas of Anomalous AI). Allado-McDowell records and releases music under the name https://qenric.bandcamp.com/album/earthly-love (Qenric).
Allado-McDowell established the https...
2020-12-241h 35Interdependence GuestsThe Ownership Economy with Jesse Walden (Variant Fund)This week we welcome Jesse Walden, who recently announced the launch of Variant Fund, which looks to support what he describes as “The Ownership Economy”. We discuss Jesse’s background as an artist manager, his early experiments with putting tools into artists hands to control the destiny of their work online, the opportunities that decentralised networks offer to help us transition from the centralised platform economy in music and culture more broadly, and how distributing ownership to users and artists can help us transition from atomised and individualist support systems like Patreon towards more ambitious collective, interdependent(!), models online and in rea...
2020-12-241h 33
Interdependence GuestsArtist Led Pricing, Scene ownership and defecting from Spotify with AudiusIn this episode we welcome the full Audius squad, Roneil Rumberg, Forrest Browning and Clayton Blaha to discuss their new music protocol, how it establishes the rails for artist led, rather than centrally mandated, pricing and design of economic and interactive relationships, Soundcloud and the dangers of platform risk, and the ways in which we might drag people away from centralised platforms and communicate the benefits unlocked by decentralised scene ownership.
It was a wonderful discussion and I left it feeling very confident that this group of people are onto something! Head over to http://audius.co/ (audius.co) to...
2020-12-241h 51Interdependence GuestsAI anatomies and forewarnings with Kate Crawford (AI Now)In this episode we speak with Kate Crawford, founder of the AI Now Institute and professor who has spent the last decade studying the political implications of data systems, machine learning and artificial intelligence.
We discuss the anatomy of AI systems and full ecosystem of human and material resources behind an Amazon echo, the need to develop an understanding of the exponential accumulation of power under platform capitalism, the use of AI systems in predictive policing and other controversial areas, and Kate’s parallel experience as an electronic musician.
This episode ends rather abruptly as...
2020-12-241h 51Interdependence GuestsGood Elitism and The New Philistinism with Eliane GlaserCrazy week eh ;P
Let's talk about elitism.
Also, buy Eliane's incredible book Elitism: A Progressive Defense
https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/elitism-a-progressive-defence (https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/elitism-a-progressive-defence)
2020-12-241h 48Interdependence GuestsSound System IP and Rude Citizenship with Professor Larisa Kingston Mann (DJ Ripley)For this episode we welcome academic and DJ Larisa Kingston Mann from Temple University in Philadelphia, whose work analyzes the relationship between law, technology, sovereignty and creativity, especially focusing on the ways changing media technologies affect communities’ ability to flourish
Her PhD thesis “Rude Citizenship”, soon to be turned into a book, looks at the ways in which Jamaican popular music practices challenge the colonial underpinnings of copyright law and of sovereignty itself. We discuss the economics of Jamaican sound system culture, the sticky topic of copyright as a flawed protection for creators, and proposals for a fairer DJ economy.
We had...
2020-12-241h 35
InterdependencePlatform co-ops and illusory democratisation with Nathan SchneiderHi everyoneIn this episode we welcome Nathan Schneider, professor of media studies at the University of Colorado Boulder, significant player in the platform co-operativism movement and the originator of the term “exit to community”We discuss the state of platform co-operativism today, the intersections between more traditional coop communities and the emerging crypto world, the history of co-ops, and as usual we get to gleefully dunk on the mythologies of the centralised platform economy.xxxx
2020-12-151h 06
InterdependenceJustice at Spotify with The Union of Musicians and Allied WorkersHi everyone,happy to share a conversation this week with The Union of Musicians and Allied Workers, whose petition making demands of Spotify to improve terms for artists has gathered over 20,000 signatures and counting.We discuss those demands in detail, other initiatives they have undertaken and take the rare opportunity to have a conversation about living under streaming with other actively touring musicians . LINKSSign up for Justice at Spotify: https://www.unionofmusicians.org/justice-at-spotifyGet involved with UMAW: https://www.unionofmusicians.org/Follow them: https://tw...
2020-12-0857 min
InterdependenceAnarchist UBI, local currencies and weird fatigue with Sarah Friend (Circles UBI)We join Sarah Friend, core dev from talk of the town project Circles UBI to discuss the crazy few weeks they have been having giving away a UBI through social trust networks. We pull apart how the project works and discuss the history of local currencies, potential dystopian scenarios, "weird fatigue" and the turbulence of pursuing an art practice that involves building things that do stuff.We went on a recording frenzy this past week so have a bunch more great episodes lined up. Hope you are all good! Links!Ci...
2020-12-021h 34
InterdependenceArtist tokens, Community Owned Institutions and the Reliance Alliance with ZORAHi everyone!This week we welcome Dee and Jacob from Zora, a new organisation that is building tools for artists to issue tokens around their creative practices.We discuss their idea of dynamic pricing of art releases and at the advent of the musician RAC releasing his $RAC token through ZORA, the new space of artists and their audiences owning a stake in the value they interdependently create in the world. We also talk a tour around the very short history of artist token models, how these new tools are enabling financial literacy, what not...
2020-11-241h 13
InterdependenceThis is All Happening Right Now: Solarpunk, cultural fracking and the real Jurassic Park with Jay SpringettBack with a conversation with a special person and close friend of the podcast Jay SpringettJay is a writer, theorist and podcaster who falls into a special category of people where we can say with some confidence that whatever they are thinking about will be commonplace in a few years. We discuss a passion of his, Solarpunk, cultural fracking, universe construction, permaculture, Russia’s real jurassic park, K pop and the factory model, reality modelling and aerospace, conspiracy theories and much more.Can’t recommend enough that you check out Jay’s various cultural contri...
2020-11-171h 17
InterdependenceCollaborating with the dead, Hildegard of Bingen, genius and villainy with Huw Lemmey (Bad Gays)This week we are thrilled to welcome the author and critic Huw Lemmey in celebration of his new novel Unknown Language, written in collaboration with Hildegard of Bingen and out now on Ignota booksWe discuss what it is like to channel the dead and write a novel together, Hildegard's visions and genius, constructed languages, and Bad Gays; Huw’s wonderful podcast with the historian Ben Miller.We could have talked for a few lifetimes :)Thanks again for the support and have a wonderful week! LINKSUnk...
2020-11-101h 20
InterdependenceA New Club Economy w/ Richie HawtinThe second part of our discussion facilitated in collaboration with Sonar +D and Ars Electronica.Particularly excited to share this one, where we reflect upon what foundations of the club economy appear to be most exposed by the current crisis, discuss Richie's work with AFEM to help get producers paid, and speculate on the possibility of new and necessary economic relationships between DJ's and producers under a guild model.LinksSonar +D https://sonarplusd.com/Ars Electronica https://ars.electronica.art/news/en/AFEM: https://www.associationforelectronicmusic.org/initiatives/
2020-10-201h 02
InterdependenceSquad Wealth and Headless Brands with Other InternetReally happy to welcome Other Internet to the podcast, an independent strategy and research squad based between New York and Berlin.Their recent essay “Squad Wealth” looks at the phenomenon of interdependent squads emerging on the internet as a necessary progression from the atomized independence economy.We discuss Squad Wealth and their other incredibly useful conception of Headless Brands, the redundancy of the binary left/right axis when tracking emerging cultural developments, critiques that have been leveled against their Squad analysis, and different decentralized institutions and arrangements that are forming to spread big squad energy.
2020-10-0659 min
InterdependenceCyberpunk, Difference Engines and Mad Madge with Bruce SterlingLast night we recorded a long and fun conversation with the Hugo award winning author and futurist Bruce Sterling. As you will hear Bruce has a great deal of knowledge about a great deal of stuff, and as well as his early writing helping to establish the cyberpunk movement, he was also among a handful of people who set the countercultural tone in San Francisco at the dawn of WIRED and the dot com boom. He is also a curator and expert on digital art. We discuss his being the first WIRED cover story, new information he u...
2020-09-171h 07
InterdependenceGerman Funding of the American Avant Garde with Amy C. BealThis week we are thrilled to bring a conversation with Amy C. Beal from UC Santa Cruz, whose book "New Music New Allies: Experimental Music in West Germany from the Zero Hour to Reunification" not only gives us insight into the role that German state funding has played in American experimental art since the Second World War, but also offers clues as to the unique responsibilities and complications inherent to that continued funding to the present day. We get to discuss how the US State Department funded Jazz concerts throughout Europe, the CIA involvement in cold war s...
2020-09-0958 min
InterdependenceInterdependent artist payments and live streaming through COVID-19 with Nico Perez (Mixcloud)It’s a hot one! This afternoon recorded a discussion with Mixcloud CEO and DJ Nico Perez, and our studio was so hot that we had to keep all the windows open for our own health and also to keep the laptop from spontaneously combusting! As a result this recording is resplendent with the occasional child screaming or dog barking, but hopefully that adds to the experience :)Nico joined us to discuss Mixcloud's select feature for directly supporting artists, how their bold move to introduce payment splits between DJ’s and artists could potentially be taken further, club...
2020-09-0150 min
InterdependenceBuilding the Ownership Economy with Jesse Walden (Variant Fund)This week we welcome Jesse Walden, who recently announced the launch of Variant Fund, which looks to support what he describes as “The Ownership Economy”. We discuss Jesse’s background as an artist manager, his early experiments with putting tools into artists hands to control the destiny of their work online, the opportunities that decentralised networks offer to help us transition from the centralised platform economy in music and culture more broadly, and how distributing ownership to users and artists can help us transition from atomised and individualist support systems like Patreon towards more ambitious collective, interdependent(!), models online and in...
2020-08-1851 min
InterdependenceBerlin and the New Weird with Elvia WilkFor the second part of our conversation series with contemporary fiction writers we are over the moon to have a chat with Elvia Wilk, who released her debut novel “Oval” last year to great acclaim.Oval is a beautiful book that depicts a world at vastly different scales, not least addressing the contemporary role of the artist as embedded in wider economic systems. We discuss how art communities in the shifting economic landscape of Berlin inspired some of the books themes, the increasingly entangled relationships between artists and corporations, the hyperstitional anxiety of seeing gestures from marginal scen...
2020-08-1150 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 12: Dr Larisa Kingston Mann (DJ Ripley)For this episode we welcome academic and DJ Larisa Kingston Mann from Temple University in Philadelphia, whose work analyzes the relationship between law, technology, sovereignty and creativity, especially focusing on the ways changing media technologies affect communities’ ability to flourishHer PhD thesis “Rude Citizenship”, soon to be turned into a book, looks at the ways in which Jamaican popular music practices challenge the colonial underpinnings of copyright law and of sovereignty itself. We discuss the economics of Jamaican sound system culture, the sticky topic of copyright as a flawed protection for creators, and proposals for a fairer...
2020-08-0452 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 11: Tim Maughan (Infinite Detail)Since the idea of this podcast first came to mind, we had imagined starting a thread of conversations with fiction authors and artists that in many ways touch on some of issues that we might be exploring in other conversations.Today we are thrilled to kick off this direction with a conversation with Tim Maughan, the author of Infinite Detail, winner of The Guardians best science fiction and fantasy book of 2019, and a gripping and prescient work that explores the simple question: what would happen if the internet stopped working?In this conversation we discuss...
2020-07-2846 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 10: Tom Gray (PRS)This week we talk to Director at PRS for music and Gomez songwriter Tom Gray, who, through the #brokenrecord hashtag and other advocacy work has been championing the need for reform the way that streaming services work, and reform copyright policy to better protect songwriters and producers.We discuss the case for user centric streaming over the current pro-rata payment model, what is was like to witness the transition from sales to streaming as a successful touring band, and how, at a time when the song is earning the least amount it has ever earned, the expenses...
2020-06-2950 min
InterdependenceInterdependence 9: Kate Crawford (AI Now)In this episode we speak with Kate Crawford, founder of the AI Now Institute and professor who has spent the last decade studying the political implications of data systems, machine learning and artificial intelligence. We discuss the anatomy of AI systems and full ecosystem of human and material resources behind an Amazon echo, the need to develop an understanding of the exponential accumulation of power under platform capitalism, the use of AI systems in predictive policing and other controversial areas, and Kate’s parallel experience as an electronic musician.This episode ends rather abruptly as we got l...
2020-06-2247 min
Social DisciplineSD08 - w/ Mat Dryhurst - Everything is PerverseThis week Miguel Prado and Mattin talk with Mat Dryhurst: interdependent polymath from the Solarpunk intelligentsia. We discuss the pandemic effects of music streaming platforms, the difficult balance between pragmatic and normative approaches, and the Russian doll-hell that is twitter.
2020-05-232h 08
Liquid ArchitectureHolly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst: Inhuman Intelligence (Machine Listening)Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst discuss their recent work with artificial intelligence and machine learning technologies, with specific reference to “Spawn”, their “A.I baby”, which listens, learns, speaks and sings on Herndon’s recent album Proto.
This conversation was hosted by Sean Dockray, a Melbourne-based artist, writer, and programmer, and was recorded on the 20th of January at Loop Project Space as part of Liquid Architecture’s Eavesdropping investigation.
https://liquidarchitecture.org.au/events/holly-herndon-and-mat-dryhurst
Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst: Inhuman Intelligence (Machine Listening)
Machine Listening
20 January, 2020
Loop Project Space, Melbourne
Presented by Liquid Architecture and Melbourne Recital Centre
Audio: Mara...
2020-04-091h 11
New ModelsEP 16: E PLURIBUS ZUCK (Mat Dryhurst & Kei Kreutler)New Models speaks with MAT DRYHURST & KEI KREUTLER, two figures central to Berlin's diverse crypto scene, to unpack the possible impact of Facebook's Libra coin (provided it succeeds). From the Bitcoin villages of Switzerland to Libra as an arm of US foreign policy, this episode takes the coin's tagline at face value asking, _were_ everyone to be invited the the global economy... what would that look like, how would that actually be achieved, and what would the fall out be? (w/ Caroline Busta, Daniel Keller, @LILINTERNET)
For more, check:
https://twitter.com/matdryhurst & https://twitter.com/keikreutler
2019-07-151h 25
ChannelEP 16: E PLURIBUS ZUCK (Mat Dryhurst & Kei Kreutler)New Models speaks with MAT DRYHURST & KEI KREUTLER, two figures central to Berlin's diverse crypto scene, to unpack the possible impact of Facebook's Libra coin (provided it succeeds). From the Bitcoin villages of Switzerland to Libra as an arm of US foreign policy, this episode takes the coin's tagline at face value asking, _were_ everyone to be invited the the global economy... what would that look like, how would that actually be achieved, and what would the fall out be? (w/ Caroline Busta, Daniel Keller, @LILINTERNET)
For more, check:
https://twitter.com/matdryhurst & https://twitter.com/keikreutler
2019-07-151h 25
Media Roots RadioThe Demise of Red Bull Music Academy w/ Michael Buchanan and Mat DryhurstIn this episode of Media Roots Radio, Robbie Martin, along with guests Michael Buchanan and Mat Dryhurst explore the potential ethical and existential dilemmas posed by the normalization and subsequent closure of Red Bull Music Academy. The podcast starts with a reading of an article about RBMA Robbie wrote for German magazine Melodie Und Rhythmus : http://www.melodieundrhythmus.com/mr-3-2017/monopol-auf-subkultur/. In the first hour Robbie chats with friend and electronic musician Michael Buchanan about the transition from 'raves to clubs' and why they think RBMA was an inherently problematic institution. In the second hour lecturer & electronic musician Mat...
2019-05-012h 07
New ModelsEP 5: UNREALESTATE (Mat Dryhurst, Martti Kalliala, Michelle Lhooq)Mat Dryhurst, Martti Kalliala, and Michelle Lhooq talk to New Models about #gangcrafting in the age of crypto-raves and ownership in a rent-everything world. //// FAST CO. PREMIER: https://www.fastcompany.com/90253292/new-models-is-the-intellectual-drudge-report-for-critical-theory
2018-10-261h 00
ChannelEP 5: UNREALESTATE (Mat Dryhurst, Martti Kalliala, Michelle Lhooq)Mat Dryhurst, Martti Kalliala, and Michelle Lhooq talk to New Models about #gangcrafting in the age of crypto-raves and ownership in a rent-everything world. //// FAST CO. PREMIER: https://www.fastcompany.com/90253292/new-models-is-the-intellectual-drudge-report-for-critical-theory
2018-10-261h 00
PODIUM Podcast#bebeethoven (Folge 2)– Holly Herndon, Mat Dryhurst & Koka NikoladzeIm Jahr 2020 wäre Ludwig van Beethoven 250 Jahre …
Im Jahr 2020 wäre Ludwig van Beethoven 250 Jahre alt geworden. Das nehmen 12 Künstler*innen zum Anlass, sich im Rahmen des Projekt #bebeethoven von PODIUM Esslingen drei Jahre lang ausgiebig mit den zentralen Zukunftsthemen der Kunstmusik auseinander zu setzen. In diesem Podcast stellen wir sie vor.
In der zweiten Folge: Koka Nikoladze & Holly Herndon & Mat Dryhurst
#bebeethoven ist ein Beitrag im Rahmen von BTHVN2020, dem offiziellen Beethoven Jubiläumsprogramm. Weitere Infos zum Projekt: www.bebeethoven2020.com
Gefördert durch die Kulturstiftung des Bundes.
Darüber hinaus wird das Projekt gefördert vom Land Bade...
2018-02-0322 min
ThemaTakt - HipHop- & Musikbusiness-PodcastBonus-Episode: Music Monday auf der re:publicaDer Musik-Interview-Podcast
Die erste Bonus-Episode! Auf der re:publica habe ich Christine Kakaire, Camille Darroux, Anita Jóri, Jorin Zschiesche, Rolf Mistelbacher, Peter Harris, Mat Dryhurst, Matthias Strobel und Daria Wabnitz interviewt.
2017-05-0949 min