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Feminine ChaosPremium: Tummy Tucks for White Supremacy and the Downfall of Mr. Moral ClarityThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the state of Anne Hathaway's eyebrows, the downsides of celebrity, the end of diet culture, and the MeTooing of a certain journalist. (Hashtag MeToo, hashtag BLM!)Links:The bad Anne Hathaway take, archived for your pleasure: https://archive.is/1lUm5Phoebe on Anne's detractor: Envy-pityAnd on Wesley Lowery: ObjectivesJournalists At…2025-05-2814 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Women's SpacesThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss what's right about built-in bookshelves, what's wrong with water aerobics, what's for sale on OnlyFans, and the time one of us sent nudes by carrier pigeon.LINKS:The built-in bookshelf of Phoebe's dreams:(via: The Group Behind Project 2025 Has a Plan to Crush the Pro-Palestinian Movement)No-cis-men, no-sleep-deprivation dance part…2025-05-2210 min
Feminine ChaosBeauty and the BeastKat and Phoebe discuss the Met Gala, one man's polarizing torso, and the legacy of the MeToo movement now that its chief villain is back on trial.Early access for premium subscribers.LINKS:The tweet that launched a thousand 'I prefer a dad bod' sentiments: https://x.com/CostelloWilliam/status/1914860472723005446Cartoons Hate Her makes the case for chiseled: Phoebe pored over some torsos so you don't have to: Kat on the surprising-but-not GOP pro-Weinstein moment: As promised: This is a...2025-05-091h 00
Feminine ChaosAnd You Can, TooEarly access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss the Ghiblification of deportation, political tone policing, and the evangelical lesbians who study heterosexual women like zoo animals.The Last Unicorn by Topstar a.k.a. Studio Ghibli before it was Ghibli:The White House jumps on the Ghibli meme train:https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1905332049021415862Whoops: An ‘Administrative Error’ Sends a Maryland Father to a Salvadoran PrisonElon Musk's new hat:Elon Musk wears new MAGA hat with 'big message' on at Trump's latest cabinet meeting - News...2025-04-0453 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Good Dogs, Bad NeighboursThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss an incredibly Canadian neighborhood poop drama, the allure of bisexual men, and the free speech imbroglio surrounding the deportation of a Columbia student protester.Links:Ladies, is it gay to like men?The FP on the ICE arrest of a Columbia protester:Melissa Chen with thoughts on the probationary green card:h…2025-03-2114 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Spicy Maltz BovyThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the tragic denouement of a recent celebrity death, the spicy for-podcast-only outtakes from Phoebe's recent Globe & Mail column on woman-defining, and whether robots are coming for our jobs.LINKS:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-what-is-a-woman-an-obsession-with-defining-women-has-become-a/https://x.com/katrosenfiel…2025-03-1415 min
Feminine ChaosWe Are All In Vogue NowKat and Phoebe discuss post-woke fashion, ideological trends, a sexy Oscar-winning movie, and a minor vandalism incident in Kat's front yard (stay tuned to minute 39 for the thrilling live-on-podcast denouement!)NOTES:The license plate holder:Amy Odell: Fashion Has Given Up on Being Woke, and That’s OKAndrew Sullivan: We All Live on Campus NowKat on post-politics actors and AnoraPhoebe on the 2010s: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get ac...2025-03-0959 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Suspicions AboundThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the tragic and strange death of Gene Hackman (with latest news in links), the controversy surrounding Trump's passport policies, and the Nanette of divorce memoirs.Links:Gene Hackman steals Young Frankenstein:2025-02-2716 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Boobs Are Back, Right Is WokeThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comChestfeeding is out and boobs are in on the latest episode of Feminine Chaos, as Kat and Phoebe discuss the renaissance of tits, the female gaze, and a new round of "whither wokeness" discourse.Kat on knockers: The age of the prude is overThe “man” ad for Kamala:2025-02-2215 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Slippery SlopesThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss Jewish-coded skiing incidents, ozempic divorces, men losing babies, and the loneliness of the immortal optimizer.LINKS:How Weight-Loss Drugs Can Upend a MarriageThe world's most optimized man:2025-02-1214 min
Feminine ChaosBig Sweaters and Teeny BikinisKat and Phoebe discuss $800 sweaters for feminism, Instagram deep-diving, and why angry MAGA men are circulating pictures of a certain podcaster’s hindquarters on twitter. (Early access for premium subscribers!)LINKS:Kat on the horny beer calendar: The picture that made one Conservative Dad lose his mind:Cartoons Hate Her on MAGA babes: Phoebe vs fancy sweaters: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe2025-02-0750 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Thought Catalogs, Beer Calendars, and Just Asking QuestionsThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss an allegedly terrible new sex trend all the youths are into, the bizarro aesthetics of the MAGA babe beer calendar, strange bedfellows in the culture wars, and how asking questions became a bad thing.LINKS:Cookie jarring, from Thought Catalog, which still exists: https://thoughtcatalog.com/molly-burford/2025/01/theres-a-new-dating…2025-01-3115 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Compromises of the Long Island VarietyThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss Taffy Brodesser-Akner's Long Island Compromise, fictional nose jobs, sexual reciprocity, and Trump's executive order to un-bend genders everywhere.LINKS:Phoebe reviews Long Island Compromise:The safety question: Jewish existential dilemmas in Taffy Brodesser-Akner's hilarious 'Long Island Compromise'Kat’s internet-breaking newslet…2025-01-2411 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: The Yum-Yucking EpisodeThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comBecause the Neil Gaiman discourse is a gift that keeps on giving podcast content, Kat and Phoebe return to discuss the yucking of yums, the sex lives of old ladies, and whether women should be allowed to have their own bank accounts.Links:Once again, the Gaiman exposéThere Is No Safe WordRoss Douthat on the constraints of the BDSM technical foul:https:/…2025-01-1709 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: The Subtle Slay of the Non-Binary BabygirlThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the MeToo-ing of Neil Gaiman (and certain questions about the reporting thereof.) Also: BDSM, Babygirl, and the non-binary comedy of Ilana Glazer.Links:The expose of Neil "Call Me Master" GaimanKat's first-on-the-scene dispatch from the YA Twitter Wars: https://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-toxic-drama-of-ya-twitter.htmlArchived ver…2025-01-1411 min
Feminine ChaosOutrage NostalgiaKat and Phoebe discuss the surprise comeback of home cooking discourse, the anatomy of the PR war between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, and how a dying political movement spawned the world's weirdest list of thought criminals.Links:Home cooking-gate: Kat on the Baldoni vs Lively mess:Phoebe on trans rights as omnicause The BARpod episode on Transgender Map: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe2025-01-101h 07
Feminine ChaosPremium: Milkmaids in the RawThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a viral dress ad and all it contains (or, uh, doesn't). Also: straight woman studies, Alice Munro and the men who ask for performance reviews after rejection.LINKS:The pasteurized backlash:Phoebe's Sex & Politics appearance:https://savage.love/lovecast/2024/12/19/sex-politics-36-phoebe-maltz-bovy/What Alice Munro Knew - The New Yo…2024-12-2110 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Hunks of DiscourseThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a hot (alleged) killer, a perfectly nice-looking podcaster, the death of civility norms in digital space, interesting use cases for AI chatbots, and the Colleen Hoover movie Kat watched while couchlocked with the flu.LINKS:Ask us anything! Submit your question here:https://femchaospod.substack.com/p/amasKatie Herzog on "gay or Ita…2024-12-1314 min
Feminine ChaosSilent But DeadlyKat and Phoebe discuss the character assassination of the “olfactory ethics” PhD lady, the actual assassination of an insurance CEO, and the anatomy of scapegoating. LINKS:The infamous October 7 tweet from Najwa Sharif Alawi: “what did y'all think decolonization meant? vibes? papers? essays? losers.”Kat Norman Rockwell-painting memes against murdering people in Midtown.The PhD Lady sagaDoes this book read as too parochial—or too 'Zionist'? The pitfalls of Writing While JewishPhoebe’s greatest admirer This is a public episode. If you'd lik...2024-12-081h 04
Feminine ChaosPremium: Baby's First DogpileThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss Victorian houses, emotional support pitbulls, Phoebe's "main character" debut, and whether every edgelord manlet posting "your body my choice" memes should be executed or merely jailed for life.Links:Phoebe did a fascism: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-problem-with-bluesky-it-wont-broaden-our-horizons/Phoebe d…2024-11-2714 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Bluer Skies, Bloodier MeridiansThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss their recent cameos off pod, the mass migration to Bluesky, and the literary sex scandal involving Cormac McCarthy and a teenage cowgirl. LINKS:Phoebe is famous!The Ethics of Self-Interpretation - Tablet MagazineKat on the BARpod:Episode 237: Time For A Re-Reckoning (With Kat Rosenfield)Phoebe on Other-Twitter: Cormac McCarthy’s S…2024-11-2114 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: The Great AsleepeningThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss extruding our intestines (or not) in the wake of the election, and the history and future of woke media.LINKS:'Challah for Ceasefire'?: Phoebe Maltz Bovy on watching women's media walk the political tightropeKat urges artists not “to allow Donald Trump to live rent-free in our heads like some sort of perverse anti-muse”: Can we pl…2024-11-1316 min
Feminine ChaosStaying Together for the SquirrelKat and Phoebe discuss the late-breaking squirrel murder that could unite the nation, the places you can't go on a first date, and… hmm. Is something else happening today? LINKS:Government goons murder internet-famous squirrelWho ratted out P’nut the squirrel? Grieving owners have their theory — and it’s a rich oneKat (and other Free Press folks) on the symbols of the election:First dates: it's Le Cirque or nothing:https://x.com/bendreyfuss/status/1851756223185760668 This is a public episode. If you'd...2024-11-0552 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Women Tripping Balls, Women Voting WalzThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comIn our last episode before the election, Kat and Phoebe discuss mushroom mommies, Britcom asexuals, cryptopolitical lesbians, and secret apostrophes.LINKS:Kat's investigative report: The Middle-Class Women Who Are Tripping Balls | The Free PressPhoebe's close read on Mrs. Councillor Nugent: 'Our forefathers practically went their entire lives without an…2024-11-0115 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: It's My Party and I'll DEI If I Want ToThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the big NYT expose on the death of DEI, the trap of self-mythologizing, and the mystery of the Democratic party's man problem.LINKS:How DEI DIED: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.htmlPhoebe called this 1000 years ago:https://x.com/BovyMaltz/status/1846729114541015289The law school, THE LAW SCHOOL!2024-10-1913 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Cancellable CannibalsThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss cancellable food takes and entertainment recommendations. Links:Post your cancellable food take!… WAIT NO NOT THAT ONESociety of the SnowKat on Megalopolis: Phoebe talking about Nobody Wants This on the CJN Bonjour Chai podcast2024-10-1210 min
Feminine ChaosI Decentered Men and All I Got Was This Lousy T-ShirtKat and Phoebe discuss a blackmail sextortion scheme, a pair of rabid and possibly incestual raccoons, and the de-centered men who can’t quite hit de center of de toilet bowl.NOTES:I Decentered Men. Decentering Desire for Men Is Harder. - The New York TimesWhat is going on in this picture:Do non-white men pee standing up? An unsolvable mystery.‘Am I a Snob Or Is He a Simpleton?’ - by Heather Havrilesky This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with o...2024-10-0655 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Women and the Cartoons Who Hate ThemThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comSpecial guest "C," a.k.a. Cartoons Hate Her, a.k.a. Donald Trump impressionist extraordinaire, joins the podcast to talk about the men who waste women’s fertile years in going-nowhere relationships, the myth of the nubile nanny, and the difference between an ultimatum and a marriage proposal. Also, Phoebe is not mad at the New York Times real estate sec…2024-09-2715 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: The Young and the BralessThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a sexual harassment training, a MeToo memoir, and a firing controversy at a very fancy New York City private school.LINKS:MeToo memoirs continue to trickle in: An artist retrospective: Montreal-born Jill Ciment's memoir asks 'Me Too?' after the factMy Adventures in Deconstruction | The New YorkerM.J. Koch’s Free Press story, My Fr…2024-09-2216 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Pet DetectivesThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the urban legend of cat-eating Haitians, Trump's not-so-great debate with Kamala Harris, and JD Vance's identity crisis.LINKS:Goose on the loose: https://x.com/AliceFromQueens/status/1834084575401717899Ted Cruz, not a literalist: https://x.com/tedcruz/status/1833174142591365185The actual cat-eater: born in the USA!Someone was accu…2024-09-1345 min
Feminine ChaosDead Squirrels and Sweaty SanctimonyKat and Phoebe discuss a dead squirrel, a controversial magazine cover, and a New York Times essay on air conditioning by the world's smuggest, sweatiest man.LINKS:The New Yorker cover that launched a thousand takes:-Wesley Yang and others interpret the cover of the New Yorker: https://x.com/wesyang/status/1830979536986472586Counterpoint:https://x.com/MiriVinni/status/1831352406657167416Scissor statements: Sort By Controversial | Slate Star CodexPhoebe’s a/c guy rant: Sweaty but saintlyKat's ode to the social history of booze: Wh...2024-09-081h 01
Feminine ChaosPremium: Bookstores and BoozehoundsThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the cancellation of a Jewish book event by a rogue disgruntled employee, the changing character of Toronto's Roncesvalles neighborhood, and alcohol as a social good.LINKS:Bookstore drama: https://x.com/joshualeifer/status/1826086333875630245NY Post coverage: https://nypost.com/2024/08/21/us-news/nyc-bookstore-cancels-event-citing-…2024-08-2713 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Hives and Jet LagThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat was on a lot of drugs and Phoebe was on a plane for 729 hours, but we podcasted through it, so that’s fine. Topics include the scourge of AI image generators, Kat’s sort-of-viral essay about cat ladies, and Phoebe’s impressions of the Sex and the City sequel series.Links:If we had to see this so do you.Kat, defensive and coping:Phoebe on Euro aesthe…2024-08-2112 min
Feminine ChaosFarming BallerinasBy popular request, Kat and Phoebe discuss ballerinas, farms, and Ballerina Farm.LINKS:The infamous Times article: My day with the trad wife queen and what it taught mePhoebe on Ballerina Farm: MomfluenzaKat on tradwives: The Paradoxical Freedom of Tradwife Tiktok This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe2024-08-0355 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Hairless Cat LadiesThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the return of the self-flagellating white woman, the rise of Brat Girl politics, the war on childless cat ladies, and the petting of hairless cats.LINKS:On Wednesdays we wear... not pearls and Converse or we're racists.https://x.com/meghan_daum/status/1815884959204401336https://x.com/rekhilperts/status/1815467609069912123The white…2024-07-2614 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Ear Truthers and MAGA WivesThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the post-assassination discourse, ear-wound conspiracy theorists, the MAGA wife aesthetic, and what on earth is going on with J.D. Vance's hands.LINKS:Canceling cashiers:https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1813320436702400568Who is J.D. Vance's Wife Usha and Why Isn’t She ‘Raring’ to Become Second LadyMAGA women (and men, and humans…2024-07-1913 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: RIP to MTV and How Do You Do, Fellow... Boomers?This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the memory-holing of Kat's entire early career oeuvre, Phoebe's theory of eternal youth, and the culture critics who want every show to be an after-school special.LINKS:A reflection from Kat: The MTV News Archive Is Gone—and That's OK-Phoebe is still angering her fellow Canadians, and has a theory: https://x.com/BovyMaltz/status/1…2024-07-1215 min
Feminine ChaosOrange Man Bad, Vegetable Man Not IdealKat and Phoebe do a post-mortem on the recent presidential debate.Links:Biden his time: Phoebe Maltz Bovy on watching the sorry state of U.S. politics from north of the borderAmerica Doesn’t Need Momala Harris | The Free Press This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe2024-07-0450 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Truck Stop Sweeties and Lesbian SPFThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a kink-shaming incident in the Cyclades, a wife-seeking incident on Twitter, and a line of clothing that repels the sun, the men, or both. LINKS:-Who needs mail-order brides when there are truck-stop sweeties? https://x.com/shagbark_hick/status/1804929793420677153?s=46&t=UOIT2B6ilGTmoEH9aY9RDQWe’re Entering a Joyful New Era of Les…2024-06-2910 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: This Sundress Will Make You PregnantThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a traumatic tree takedown in Kat's neighborhood, a whisper network for women of a certain age, and a sundress that caused a civil war amongs online trad types. (Pictured: not the sundress, but a $10 doppelganger spotted in a local Charlotte Russe just hours after recording, which just goes to show… something.)LINKS:Miranda July is…2024-06-1211 min
Feminine ChaosThe Gay Divorcees Who Are Fond of Flying FlagsPhoebe apologizes for the print version of her bisexuals article appearing during Pride month, while Kat unpacks the controversy surrounding a certain judge's wife's flag-flying proclivities. Then: divorce! Does it make you hotter, or does it just make you sad? Links:When your wife is fond of flying flags: Inside the Clash That Prompted the Alitos’ Upside-Down Flag - The New York TimesAs CPAC dismisses claims that its stage resembled a Nazi insignia, Hyatt calls hate symbols 'abhorrent'When the O.K. Sign Is No Longer O.K. - The New...2024-06-0657 min
Feminine ChaosIs the Pope Catholic?Kat and Phoebe discuss a Catholic kicker's commencement-speech controversy, two literary autopsies of the Great Awokening, and whether communion wafers taste like flesh. LINKS:Harrison Butker is Catholic. So What? | The Free PressThe speech in full : Bubba: A Cancel-Culture Casualty – but Not in a Town Without Pity | RealClearInvestigationsNellie Bowles and Katherine Brodsky: Jewish women dangerously recap the cancellation era in new books reviewed by Phoebe Maltz BovyKat in Unherd: Why progressives want to forget George Floyd - UnHerdBooks mentioned:Mor...2024-05-271h 06
Feminine ChaosPremium: We Like Our Dick (and Yours)This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss a scandal in the pageant world, the disappearance of dick appreciation discourse, the relative dangers of men as versus bears, and the dating app that apologized for suggesting that people might want to use it to, uh, date. LINKS:Kat on the beauty queens: Miss USA and the privilege of mental health - UnHerdKat on man vs. bear: The…2024-05-1715 min
Feminine ChaosMostly Peaceful Sexy Tennis, Anyone?Kat delivers a traffic report from Norwalk, Conn., where a petroleum truck recently went boom. Then: Kat and Phoebe discuss the new sexy tennis movie Challengers, the undescended proverbial testicles of protesters, and the never-ending curse of being Harper's letter signatories.Links:The fireball that shut down the interstate! Kat at Unherd: Can Challengers make sex hot again?Phoebe at CJN: Kids on the lawn: Phoebe Maltz Bovy on the new 'youth' movement on display in campus protests across North AmericaMore from the "protesters are babies" discourse:2024-05-081h 00
Feminine ChaosNPR Voice in the Streets, Shock Jock in the SheetsKat and Phoebe discuss a very horny theater critic, an uncommonly hot historian, and Uri Berliner's critique of NPR from inside the house.LINKS:Lea Ypi: "Advice for scholars: next time you lecture on Kant and revolutions at “Downing” Cambridge, make sure your hair is neatly tied and that you’re not blonde. Or else your research impact will be on the @spectator libido section."I’ve Been at NPR for 25 Years. Here’s How We Lost America’s Trust. | The Free PressThe Real Story Behind NPR's Current Problems...2024-04-2257 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Never Touched a Boob In BioThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the mass bisexuality of Gen Z and the BookForum takedown of Lauren Oyler.LINKS:Kat on the bi boom: Gen Z-ers Are Identifying as Bisexual En Masse. Why? - Air MailPhoebe on straight women: Straightness Studies | Who Do We Think We Are? | Issues | The Hedgehog ReviewStatistics! LGBTQ+ Identification in U.S. Now at 7.6%Rod Dreher fre…2024-04-1316 min
Feminine ChaosHeirloom Brains and Other AdventuresKat and Phoebe discuss sexually adventurous podcasting, unwanted heirloom dining sets, the phenomenon of "divorce rings," the latest viral Cut essay about age gap relationships, and what to do when your foyer is too narrow to hold your collection of body parts in jars. LINKS:Kat and Phoebe on BARpodTwitter: Won’t someone think of the boomers’ furniture?I Inherited a Nazi Helmet From My Husband. What Should I Do With It? - The New York Times Divorce Rings Are Having a Moment Thanks to Emily Ratajk...2024-04-081h 04
Feminine ChaosPremium: My "I'm Not a Missing Princess" T-Shirt Is Raising a Lot of Questions Already Answered By the ShirtThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the moral quandary of missing royalty. Links:Kate announces her cancer diagnosis: https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/1771235267837321694Everyone should be ashamed over Princess Kate but me | Ben Sixsmith | The Critic MagazineOpinion | The Real Royal Scandal Is on Us - The New York Times-“I will NOT be scolded into feeling …2024-03-2614 min
Feminine ChaosBig Naturals and Big PharmaKat and Phoebe discuss breast aesthetics, 90s nostalgia, and whether we're all taking too many drugs. Links:Are We Sunsetting Ass and Entering a Golden Age of Boobs?Sydney Sweeney has brought boobs back - The Spectator WorldKatherine Dee: “I think benzos and SSRIs are overprescribed for the same reason antibiotics and birth control are. Pharmaceuticals are a lucrative industry and being sick is a lifestyle brand.”Meghan Murphy: “Popping pills won't actually address your feelings of depression or anxiety. Go outside, get some exercise, interact with humans or natur...2024-03-091h 12
Feminine ChaosPremium: Luxury SandwichThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe talk about the sandwich anecdote that melted the internet, how they got jobs in journalism, and the one-way feud between two memoirists.Links:The origins of Sandwichgate: I Was a Heretic at The New York Times - The AtlanticPhoebe on sandwich discourse:Kat on the battling memoirists: https://unherd.com/2024/02/polyamory-is-a-luxury-belief/2024-02-2815 min
Feminine ChaosIt's Desire, It's Divorce, It's De-LovelyKat and Phoebe discuss a fun philosophical question about desire, a fine literary essay about not getting divorced, and the sacred gossip machine known as the whisper network.Is it better to desire or be desired? Many journalists, etc weigh in: The Desire Question｜DirtEmily Gould decompensates, turns decompensation into literature.Should I Leave My Husband? The Lure of DivorceThe article shall be a book! https://twitter.com/EmilyGouldNYmag/status/1757840399928844671Phoebe on Emily Gould’s not-divorcing essay: Phoebe on Emily Gould’s yes, divorc...2024-02-181h 06
Feminine ChaosIn This House We Believe: Living Small Is a Troll, Taylor Swift Is Three Dogs in a Trenchcoat, and All Urination Is Public UrinationKat tells a story about accidentally installing a public toilet in her home, while Phoebe uncovers a conspiracy within the New York Times real estate section. Then: Taylor Swift! Is she old? Fat? Mineral? Vegetable? We may never know.Links:Nobody will ever know what you’re doing behind this door (just as long as you draw the curtain first)…The latest evidence that “Living Small” is a deliberate troll:The Best Part of Tiny Living? The 'Freedom We Have Created for Ourselves.'Ross Douthat: Taylor Swift, Donald Trump an...2024-02-0457 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Monogamy Is Not KenoughThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss the cringiest response to Barbie's semi-snub at the Oscars, one lady's viral tweetstorm about the scourge of Zionists in the literary world, and the multifarious polyamorous discourse du jour.Links:We've had Kenough of this sort of thing:https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1750185844219015517Dan Savage doesn’t want to hear f…2024-01-2605 min
Feminine ChaosHetlor YouthKat and Phoebe discuss the big gay intrigue over Taylor Swift, the contemporary contours of Mean Girl World, and the missing Jews of Only Murders in the Building.Links:Kat talks awards season and royal drama on Piers Morgan: Oscars may experience a ‘vibe shift’ with actors avoiding politics and virtue-signalling | Sky News AustraliaThe Gaylor Manifesto: Opinion | Look What We Made Taylor Swift Do - The New York TimesKat's take: Why Taylor Swift can't deny being gay - UnHerdPhoebe's take: Kat on Mean...2024-01-211h 02
Feminine ChaosIs That the Chrysler Building in Your Pants Or Are You Just Happy to See UsKat and Phoebe discuss a provocative underwear ad, a post-wall woman, and the stolen valor of a new book about fatphobia. Links:Mr. Underpants https://twitter.com/CalvinKlein/status/1742901431185584252Soooo… what is that building back there? Does anyone know?Phoebe on Mr. Underpants Senior: Kat's review of Kate Manne’s Unshrinking (and why is Manne using “we” to describe the people who don’t fit in airplane seats?) : https://unherd.com/2024/01/fat-positivity-is-a-fantasy/ This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with o...2024-01-081h 15
Feminine ChaosRosemary's Bibi: On Swashbuckling, Soup, and the Birth of a Tradwife NationIn an extra-long, very special episode, Kat and Phoebe finish out the year with a retrospective on the death (or was it?) of journalism, a discussion of Soup Discourse, and a debate on the foolishness (or is it?) of tradwives.Links:James Bennett's essay: When the New York Times lost its wayPhoebe on the death of swashbuckling:Kat on tradwives…: The Paradoxical Freedom of Tradwife Tiktok…and the cost of soup.The origins of “Rosemary’s Bibi” in a single image: This is a...2023-12-241h 23
Feminine ChaosBig Hempin', Spendin’ Gs, Believin’ All Women Except Those Jewish Lay-deezKat and Phoebe unsheath their wooden swords to discuss an all-hemp house featured in the NYT's "Living Small" column, and the latest galaxy-brained takes about sexual violence in Gaza.Links:Their Cape Cod Home Isn’t Small, but Its Carbon Footprint IsAccounts of Sexual Violence by Hamas Are Aired Amid Criticism of U.N. - The New York TimesPhoebe on the #MeToo Unless You’re a Jew phenomenon This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonu...2023-12-0748 min
Feminine ChaosThe Geopolitical BeyhiveKat and Phoebe battle a glitchy recording platform to talk about the reporting process behind Kat's latest Airmail article, why people are firing bullets at Jewish buildings, and what the Israel/Palestine discourse has to do with Taylor Swift.Links:Kat: The Israel-Hamas Conflict Causes a Rift Among Young Progressives - Air MailA school shooting (that is, a school was shot): Montreal police investigating gunshots at two Jewish schools early in the morning of Nov. 9Phoebe on the food-appropriation discourse: In which I claim no personal credit for hummus 2023-11-1255 min
Feminine ChaosThe Eating of Hats, the Fanboys of Hitler, the Core of BalletKat and Phoebe, notorious signatories of the Harper's letter on free speech, discuss tasty hats, terrible ballet flats, strange bedfellows in the queer activism community, and why the New York Times hired a Hitler fanboy for its coverage in Gaza.Links:The hat-eater (when will the free speech crowd say something oh wait they have): https://twitter.com/BovyMaltz/status/1716629638988857732Worm Joke Causes Science Twitter Flame War Over Accusations of Sexism and RacismBackground on the NYT's Hitler-loving videographer: News outlets backtrack on Gaza blast after relying on Hamas...2023-10-2951 min
Feminine ChaosGolden Terrorist Bachelor ParaglidersKat and Phoebe discuss war discourse and reality dating shows, which are, of course, basically the same thing.Links:Leigh Stein on personal brands facing difficult times: Phoebe on wishy-washy war commentary: https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/it-is-actually-fine-to-care-when-jews-are-killed-phoebe-maltz-bovy-on-tepid-responses-to-terror/Kat on war discourse and civility: https://unherd.com/2023/10/can-the-pro-palestine-left-redeem-itself/What's a keffiyeh? Wonder no more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_keffiyehKat on reality-TV singles of the old and naked varieties: The not-so-Golden Girls themselves: https://ew.com/tv/the-golden-bachelor-cast-contestants-women/ This...2023-10-1546 min
Feminine ChaosBoobs of the WeekKat and Phoebe grope for answers to this week’s big philosophical questions: what is the best Broadway show at which to get to third base? Do the Russell Brand allegations represent a new frontier in age gap discourse? If you say Jann Wenner’s name three times, will he show up and harass your dinner party guests with unsolicited opinions about who does and does not qualify as a philosopher of rock and roll? Links:Lauren Boebert apologizes again for ‘maybe overtly animated’ behavior at theater Marcotte on Boebert: Lauren Boebert's sexy adventure...2023-09-2456 min
Feminine ChaosCounting BodiesKat and Phoebe discuss body counts, TV nudity, and what you can do with a falafel in the shower.Links:Phoebe on body count discourse:"The question we must ask young women is this: who told you it was acceptable to have a high body count?"https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1698099127467336124The Clerks scene:The falafel incident:https://www.vice.com/en/article/evgxkw/remember-bill-oreillys-extreme-sexual-harassment-falafel-lawsuit-from-2004The NYT on nudity:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/03/movies/nudity-onscreen-idol-oppenheimer.html ...2023-09-0943 min
Feminine ChaosPremium: Eye CandyThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit femchaospod.substack.comKat and Phoebe discuss an alleged denial of service at a Manhattan bar, NYC Mayor Eric Adams' most recent horny-on-main incident, and romantic approaches for all genders.Kat and Phoebe's recent work:Unraveling the Secrets of the BarbieverseHere come the female Andrew Tates - UnHerd"I'd like to be Eileen Gum / and call myself 'just a mum'The non-fact-che…2023-08-1806 min
Feminine ChaosRadical BarbiecoreKat and Phoebe discuss a young man's existential crisis over being rudely awakened by his girlfriend, the cultural significance of the Barbie movie, the hot pink aesthetic known as "Barbiecore", and the $5 million log cabin for a man and his dog.Links:The regretful Redditor:https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/151hlva/my_gf_woke_me_up_with_a_blowjob_and_i_kinda_like/Kat on boundaries: Kat on Barbie and her millennial girlboss contradictions. https://unherd.com/2023/07/barbie-is-fight-club-for-women/Barbiecore https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/25/realestate/barbiecore-home-decor-interior-design...2023-07-2656 min
Feminine ChaosIf ChatGPT Had Hands, There Would Be Blood On ThemKat and Phoebe discuss plotting a murder with ChatGPT and the latest in academic diversity dramas.Links:With End of Affirmative Action, a Push for a New Tool: Adversity ScoresPhoebe on the state of academic affairs:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-waterloo-attack-is-part-of-a-broader-trend-of-hatred-for-academia/ https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/affirmative-action-and-diversity-statements-a-complicated-history-phoebe-maltz-bovy-on-local-and-not-so-local-edi-news/Our friends at Blocked & Reported explain the Yoel Inbar imbroglio:Suspect charged in hate-motivated stabbing in Canada university gender issues classUChicago Course on Whiteness Sparks Debate Over Free Speech and Cyberbullying - T...2023-07-101h 00
Feminine ChaosEat, Pray, PodcastKat and Phoebe are joined by friend and favorite Leigh Stein to discuss bad advice, self-cancelled books, and the accessories of the middle-aged.Links:Roxane Gay's less-than-sound advice: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/18/business/roxane-gay-lgbtq-work.htmlLeigh on the bad precedent: https://unherd.com/thepost/elizabeth-gilberts-self-cancellation-sets-a-dangerous-precedent/Kat on the hostage-video vibe: Phoebe on Ukrainians as marginalized-or-not: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-eat-pray-cancel-why-is-elizabeth-gilbert-censoring-herself/Jordan Peterson's fashion DON'Ts: https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1670691291418750976Henry VIII's fashion DOs:https://www.historyextra.com/period/tudor/how-big-king-henry-viiis-codpiece/2023-06-2356 min
Feminine ChaosLiterary Gaucherie and Mushroom AnecdotesKat and Phoebe share stories about mushrooms (not that kind), and mushrooms (yes, that kind.) Then: an allegedly scandalous review of Brandon Taylor's new novel, and the ensuing literary brouhaha.Links:The infamous review!https://slate.com/culture/2023/05/late-americans-brandon-taylor-twitter-novel-review.htmlBrandon Taylor in the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/25/books/review/brandon-taylor-interview.htmlMore on The Late Americans: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/671348/the-late-americans-by-brandon-taylor/Anger over the review:https://twitter.com/nameshiv/status/1661037581289803776https://twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1661015873728159746https://twitter.com...2023-06-0352 min
Feminine ChaosNerds, Dweebs, and CancelleesWith early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss a New Yorker article about a party for the post-cancelled and the extremely normal responses to it from fellow journalists.This Party Is Cancelled: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-local-correspondents/the-party-is-cancelledReaders having a normal one:https://twitter.com/jeffihaza/status/1659278954014945280https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1658933551365234692https://twitter.com/1followernodad/status/1658947976973398016Jesse Singal on Dappergate: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus e...2023-05-2239 min
Feminine ChaosThis Is the Last Stop On This TrainWith early access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss the death of a man on the New York City subway, and the discourse that ensued. Links:Freddie deBoer on fear:Jamelle Bouie on some key facts:https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1655725142809387008Elizabeth Spiers defends the honor of the subway:https://twitter.com/espiers/status/1655548648875237376Kat on the #MeToo angle: https://unherd.com/2023/05/what-kind-of-woman-rides-the-new-york-subway/Phoebe on the Canadian angle: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-vigilante-injustice-cannot-be-the-answer-to-city-conflicts/ This is a public episode...2023-05-1144 min
Feminine ChaosWhere There are Canapes, You Canna PeeKat and Phoebe discuss the pros and cons of the downstairs loo, the rise and fall of the momfluencer, and whether society will ever flush itself of the ritual privilege check.Links:Caitlin Moran’s toiletless existence: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/64d060fe-d204-11ed-b1cd-5223fe349502Phoebe on momfluencers:https://unherd.com/2023/04/momfluencers-wont-absolve-your-mom-guilt/ This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe2023-04-2044 min
Feminine ChaosDylan Mulvaney, Julia Allison, a Peeing Raccoon, and Other InfluencersKat and Phoebe discuss a recent series of branding controversies, how protoinfluencer Julia Allison walked so Dylan Mulvaney could run, and whether we can get a toilet sponsorship for Phoebe's yard raccoon. Links:Dylan Mulvaney on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaneyDylan Mulvaney's tampon content:Caroline McCarthy on Mulvaney's brand relationships: https://twitter.com/caro/status/1645795995303956480Julia Allison, explained: https://www.wired.com/2008/07/howto-allison/The Nike Women and Bud Light brouhahas, explained:https://nypost.com/2023/04/12/burn-bra-challenge-on-tiktok-over-dylan-mulvaney-nike-ads/https://nypost.com/2023/04/11/bud-light-boycott-has-legs-as-sales-outlook-thrown-into-doubt/2023-04-1353 min
Feminine ChaosThe A**holes Making Fetch HappenKat and Phoebe discuss divisions of labor, poet finances, and the zombie discourse about reaction GIFs that makes us want to peel our faces off.LINKS:Anne Helen Petersen and the ongoing gospel of "men suck"Maggie Smith (the poet, not the Dame) on viral poetry and divorceKat requests a cease-and-desist on digital blackface op-edsPhoebe on husband discourse This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe2023-03-3148 min
Feminine ChaosFancy Faucets and Philandering PhilosophersKat and Phoebe discuss the controversies we didn't mean to start, the Jewish tradwife philosopher polycules we shall not be participating in, and the fancy NYT real estate section stools we can't afford to sample.LINKS:Wait, is that price per stool?https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/realestate/georgetown-home-renovation.htmlKara Kennedy interviews Estee Williams, maker of husband’s sandwiches: https://thespectator.com/life/confessions-tiktok-tradwife-estee-williams/Phoebe on the Jewish angle: https://thecjn.ca/perspectives/tradition-tradition-phoebe-maltz-bovy-in-search-of-a-jewish-tradwife/Philosophical philanderess Agnes Callard: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/03/13/agnes-callard-profile-marriage-philosophy Th...2023-03-1443 min
Feminine ChaosAll Dahl-ed Up and Nowhere to GoKat and Phoebe discuss the greatest genderfluid fashion heist of our time. Then: the bowdlerization of Roald Dahl, the controversial banning (or is it?) of pornography (or IS it?!) from school libraries, and the illustrated dildo heard round the world. LINKS:Asyakhamsin brings the receipts:Sam Brinton, they/them, deputy assistant secretary of Spent Fuel and Waste Disposition in the Office of Nuclear Energy from June to December 2022Kat argues that all the problematic books should go in a bonfire: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6320888386112Phoebe yes-ands and says i...2023-02-2448 min
Feminine ChaosTikTokBookTalk with Leigh SteinKat and Phoebe are joined by Leigh Stein to discuss why TikTok is the next big thing for books, why high-falutin’ literary folk are so loathe to join the platform, and why her essay about this made everybody Mad Online.Links:Leigh's essay at Lithub: https://lithub.com/booktok-is-good-actually-on-the-undersung-joys-of-a-vast-and-multifarious-platform/The saga of Stone Maidens: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/02/19/stone-maidens-book-bestseller-daughter-tiktok/11251731002/ This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe2023-02-1951 min
Feminine ChaosThe Auld Racist ApocalypseKat and Phoebe discuss a viral incident of racism-or-is-it on the long prairie road to Canada, the socialist darling who was cancelled for flouting the Covidian Collective, and the blondes of TikTok who may be having more fun but who are not having the last word on blondness in the pages of the New York Times.Links:“Old Racist Karen” is not a song title but the news in Canada: https://www.blogto.com/travel/2023/01/racist-karen-westjet-flight-toronto-caught-typing-complaints-black-women/Phoebe's essay about getting artisanal small-batch covid from a local craftsman:Tressie McMillan Cottom vs blon...2023-01-2651 min
Feminine ChaosLast of the Queer CovidiansFellas, is it gay to go maskless? Kat and Phoebe discuss recent coverage of the few, the proud, the covid faithful. Also, Kat has a generous offer for those who preorder her new book!Links:Libs of TikTok (via) finds someone saying you can be gay but not queer if you don’t mask.Forever Covid: Mx. And Mx. nix leaving the house. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/26/us/covid-masks-risk.htmlEmma Green on the forever-ers: https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-activism/the-case-for-wearing-masks-forever You Must Remember This is available for pre...2023-01-0545 min
Feminine ChaosThe Kiss of Death, the Death of KissingKat and Phoebe discuss the kissing of cheeks, the petting of pets, the cancellation of Junot Diaz, and the intolerable slander of Seinfeld by a New Yorker essayist.LINKS:Ben Smith on Junot Diaz, notorious cheek-kisser: https://www.semafor.com/article/11/27/2022/junot-diaz-in-limboKat's tweets on l’affaire bisou:Saïd Sayrafiezadeh on finding “Seinfeld” problematic: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/i-finally-watched-seinfeld?utm_source=NYR_REG_GATEMeghan Daum on literary citizenship: Seinfeld kismet on the tyranny of the kiss hello: This is a public...2022-12-0150 min
Feminine ChaosI Am the Very Model of a Modern Demisexual[singing]I am the very model of a modern DemisexualMy sexual proclivities are purely hypotheticalI’m here to say it loud and proud, my internet confessionalI’ve never touched a boob, which makes me very intersectional!LINKS:Kat offends Twitter's demisexuals: https://unherd.com/2022/11/demisexuals-are-scared-of-sex/Phoebe watches 1990s YouTube: The complete “Pam” song: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack...2022-11-1650 min
Feminine ChaosPenis Mermaid Truthers and the Edgelord of the ManorIt’s El Dia de los Edgelords on Feminine Chaos! Kat and Phoebe discuss the mom who will not be apologizing for committing a Halloween war crime, the provenance of a crudely drawn picture of a wiener, and the Elon Musk Twitter takeover that will soon relegate our blue checks to the dustbin of history. Links:Phoebe on Twitter’s Musk Era: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-early-returns-from-twitters-new-era-have-been-less-than/Kat on weird political tribalism: https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2022/11/07/why-i-keep-getting-mistaken-for-a-conservative/ This is a public episode. If y...2022-11-0744 min
Feminine ChaosYour Privilege Is Showing, Coffee Husband EditionKat and Phoebe discuss the woman who committed literal violence by discussing her happy marriage on Twitter, the self-congratulatory feminists of “Gutsy”, and the girlfriend who stayed home to heat (but not eat) her boyfriend’s soup.Links:Daisey aka lilplantmami, sharing how #blessed her existence is: The privilege. The privilege! Stay at home girlfriends of TikTok: https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/stay-at-home-girlfriend-journal-tiktok/Amy Schumer, Hillary Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton spill their Guts: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with o...2022-10-2747 min
Feminine ChaosThe Guggenheisenberg PrincipleKat and Phoebe discuss the professor who was fired for making organic chemistry too hard, and the Guggenheim curator who was fired for making an enemy of the wrong art monster.Links:At NYU, Students Were Failing Organic Chemistry. Whose Fault Was It? - The New York TimesPhoebe on Team BratsA prior, relevant Feminine Chaos:The Guggenheim’s Scapegoat - The AtlanticChaedria LaBouvier's amazing tweet threads: 1, 2, 3Phoebe's roundup mentioning Guggengate This is a public episode. If you'd like to di...2022-10-0958 min
Feminine ChaosBoobs and MurderKat and Phoebe take on a series of pendulous topics: the “disgusting” appropriation of serial killer culture, Adam Levine’s text messages, and the Canadian shop teacher who gives new meaning to the term “rubber baby buggy bumpers.”Links:Phoebe on the boobs: Opinion: Ontario teacher’s prosthetic bust offers a lesson about body shaming - The Globe and MailWoody Allen's Giant Boob sceneWait, what if: Was the fake boobs teacher a hoax? - The PostAs always, Philip Roth ties it all together: The Breast, a novel...2022-09-2656 min
Feminine ChaosCat Ladies and Leaning Out (with Tara Henley)Special guest Tara Henley joins Kat and Phoebe to discuss leaning in, leaning out, and leaning away from cat ownership for extremely compelling reasons.Links:Helen Andrews essay: Lean Out - The American MindAbout Tara's documentaryThe making of '39': field notes from producer Tara Henley | CBC RadioTara on Substack: A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycleTara's documentary: Thirty nine. Female. Crazy job. No partner. No kids. AAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!! | CBC RadioRosen's Words About Ann Romney Fuel 'Mommy Wars' : NPR2022-09-131h 00
Feminine ChaosLife Skills for the Extremely OnlineA question from the Feminine Chaos AMA launches Kat and Phoebe into a free-associating chat about group chats as commune, men going their own way in the wilderness, “I’m with stupid” merchandise, and the internet newsletters that tell us how to live. Links:Lyz Lenz on the life-sustaining group chatAnne Helen Petersen's manifesto on behaving like a normal personOur previous episode on the "tragic heterosexuality" book: This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episode...2022-09-0139 min
Feminine ChaosDEI Goes Sad Trombone and a Sociology Conference Goes GangsterKat introduces Phoebe to a DEI training failure so cringe you'll want to d-i-e, and Phoebe unpacks the sociology beef that can only be settled with a dance off. (With special cameo appearances from two barking poodles, one noisy vacuum, one shrieking toddler, and the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.)Links:Wellcome's "womp, womp" thread on its diversity failuresWellcome's diversity report: PDFThe Konference Karen saga: 1, 2, 3, 4 (Note: 4 is a whole thread) This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get...2022-08-1448 min
Feminine ChaosVirgins and CopycatsEarly access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss how many times they've had, you know… *whispers erotically* the coronavirus, and what happens when there are no covid virgins left to deflower. Then: the absolutely bonkers saga of a literary plagiarism scandal, followed by an apology, which was also plagiarized.Links:If You’ve Never Had COVID, Are You a Sitting Duck? - The AtlanticThe horror movie Kat tried (not very well) to summarize: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(1982_film)The Bad Art Friend episode: Conflict Is S...2022-07-2857 min
Feminine ChaosInsensitivity ReadersEarly access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss poetry in translation (or, aggressively, NOT), sensitivity readers, and whether we could please stop fighting about the word "women".Isabella Wang's screed against translation (screenshot) Kat in Reason: Sensitivity Readers Are the New Literary Gatekeepers The Bad Tweets from Michael Hobbes: Phoebe's Substack: CisheterodoxyPamela Paul's op-ed: The Far Right and Far Left Agree on One Thing: Women Don't Count - The New York Times This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with ot...2022-07-1554 min
Feminine ChaosApres Roe, Le DelugeEarly access for premium subscribers! Kat and Phoebe discuss where babies come from, the fractured pro-choice movement, and how the recent Dobbs decision overturning abortion protections will force many many men, particularly Arnold Schwarzenegger, to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Links:The fall of feminism led to the fall of Roe - The Spectator WorldIn Defense of Pregnancy - The Bulwark This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit femchaospod.substack.com/subscribe2022-07-0155 min
Feminine ChaosShrill and ShrillerKat and Phoebe discuss the (dis)pleasures of being scolded by sitcoms, evolving norms surrounding office-appropriate hairstyles, and a bizarre controversy surrounding Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt star Ellie Kemper. A clip from Shrill: BBC Three on Twitter: "Yikes."NYT: Why 'Kim's Convenience' Is 'Quietly Revolutionary'Slate: Ellie Kemper, queen of the Veiled Prophet Ball: “KKK princess” controversy, explained.Kat’s article about Ellie Kemper: Ellie Kemper and Twitter's Two Minutes Hate - The Spectator WorldDad Pulls Biracial Daughter Out of School After Classmate and School Employe...2021-06-071h 00
Feminine ChaosThe Sins of the Biographer Shall Be Visited Upon the BiographeeKat and Phoebe discuss the scandalous allegations against Philip Roth biographer Blake Bailey and the eternally-creeping concept of "grooming."Links:Slate: Blake Bailey's former eighth grade student on being sexually assaulted by him years later.Also Slate: Blake Bailey's former Lusher students on how their eighth grade teacher groomed them.NOLA: Author Blake Bailey accused of abusing ex-Lusher students' trust for sex; denies illegal conductSexual Assault Allegations Against Biographer Halt Shipping of His Roth BookSome statistics: Clearance rate - crime by type in the...2021-05-0657 min
Feminine ChaosThe Bald and the BeautifulKat and Phoebe talk about Prince William, pretender to the throne… of sexy baldness, that is. Is Prince William the world's sexiest bald man? Heck, is he sexy at all? And speaking of sexy, Naomi Wolf is kind of a weirdo these days, but does this mean that her 1990s feminist polemic, The Beauty Myth, is no longer good? Finally, we foray briefly into the weird, wonderful, and sometimes deadly world of gender reveal parties.Links:Stop trying to make 'sexy Prince William' happen - The SpectatorA tweet thread explainer: ho...2021-04-0559 min
Feminine ChaosRoyalsKat and Phoebe discuss Oprah's big wild interview with Meghan and Harry, formerly of the British monarchy, now just a couple of normal dudes... sort of. Also: can the endangered species known as the Basic Straight Girl survive when there is literally one good man available to be mated with?Links:11 things we learned from Meghan and Harry's interviewI'm OK -- You're a RacistKat at Unherd: Hollywood's Cinderella has spokenPhoebe at Hedgehog Review: Straightness Studies | Who Do We Think We Are? | Issues...2021-03-111h 00
Feminine ChaosBreak a Leg, Gina CaranoKat and Phoebe discuss the mother of all privilege disclaimers and the cancellation of Mandalorian actress Gina Carano.Links:Ashley Judd's hospital interviewThe BBC interview Neglecting Yourself Doesn’t Make You a Better MotherBehind Disney's Firing of 'Mandalorian' Star Gina CaranoGina Carano and Crowd-Sourced McCarthyism See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus epi...2021-02-201h 07
Feminine ChaosWhat Might Have BeanKat and Phoebe get together on the day of the Capitol coup attempt to talk about the most important political and cultural event of our lifetimes: the Bean Dad Thread. And speaking of cans of beans, how about that cheerleader who said the N-word?Links:The original Bean Dad thread, screencapped: https://twitter.com/ManiacalV/status/1345870405085573122Bean Dad apologizes: http://www.johnroderick.com/an-apologyThe NYT cheerleader story: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/mimi-groves-jimmy-galligan-racial-slurs.htmlKat's essay on The Word: How Could She Not Know?. Language is a...2021-01-1057 min
Feminine ChaosThe Young Adult EpisodeKat and Phoebe discuss the controversy over a "vitriolic, violent" Twitter thread that resulted in a YA author's cancellation (no, not the worms guy), before answering burning questions from listeners about who's causing all this drama, the impact of young adult fiction shenanigans on the culture at large, and the craziest MeTooing Kat ever witnessed in her years on the YA beat.Links:The inaugural article on all things YA Twitter: The Toxic Drama on YA TwitterKat in Refinery29: How The OwnVoices Movement Is Changing YA LiteratureAnother rundown of the Jessica Cluess/ Lorena German beef: What i...2021-01-041h 15
Feminine ChaosThe Shkreliphant in the RoomKat and Phoebe discuss the jailbird-journalist love affair between reviled "Pharma Bro" Martin Shkreli, and former crime reporter Christie Smythe. (Production note/apology: Kat's mic went wonky at about 30 minutes in, this slightly tinny result is the best we could do on short notice.)Links:The original Elle storyChristie Smythe's Twitter accountFollowup interview with Smythe at ElleThe Cut story on Shkreli's harassment of female journalists See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get a...2020-12-2647 min
Feminine ChaosAll the Sad Young Disgusting WormsKat and Phoebe are joined by Jessa Crispin, literary critic and culture writer, to talk about dewy ingenues, the young-adultification of literature, and why that one guy on Book Twitter was screaming about worms.Links:Jessa on age gaps in the Boston Review: Pathologizing DesireJessa's essay on the Underground Railroad vs Normal People, both for childrenDavid Bowles' epic "disgusting worms" Twitter meltdownKat's 2017 (but still relevant) primer for understanding YA's internecine conflicts: The Toxic Drama on YA TwitterJessa's website See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. T...2020-12-141h 23
Feminine ChaosWholesome Wokefish and the Joy of MurderPhoebe and Kat discuss Barack Obama, 44th President of the United States, now cancelled for intellectual pick-up artistry. Is putting your best foot forward a violation of consent? Will the stigma against duplicity-in-dating usher in a new era of unwashed, farting suitors who start every relationship by confessing their worst sins? Then, the ladies talk about the liberal feminists who are forcing women everywhere to endure lousy sex, and the murder mysteries that soothe the soul in the midst of dreary quarantine.Links: The Obama-as-predator take that broke TwitterRefinery29: We Need T...2020-12-0951 min
Feminine ChaosTo Whom Does Broth BelongKat and Phoebe discuss the cultural appropriation controversy surrounding a Toronto-based broth bar, and whether having your lunch made fun of in fourth grade is a source of permanent trauma. Then: is this equal pay controversy between two LA Times food critics as simple as it seems? (Spoiler: Nope, it never is.)Links:Phoebe on the cultural appropriation of broth: No Soup For You. Can you even culturally appropriate… | by Phoebe Maltz Bovy | Nov, 2020LA Times Responds to Accusation of Paying Discrimination See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out in...2020-11-3056 min