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Attaching to God: Neuroscience-informed Spiritual Formation112 Courage to Commit: Why Embracing Religion Still Matters (with Ross Douthat)Host Geoff Holsclaw engages with New York Times columnist and author Ross Douthat. They discuss the enduring relevance and shifting perceptions of religion in a scientific and secular age, driven by Douthat’s book Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious. The conversation navigates the historical impact of new atheism, the existential malaise in youth culture, and a generational gap in religious knowledge. Douthat elaborates on his rationale for advocating religion not just for its therapeutic or social benefits but also for its intellectual robustness. Topics covered include the persistence of supernatural experiences, the case for comm...2025-05-0744 min
Just Asking QuestionsRoss Douthat: Why Digital Life Threatens Freedom and FamilyIn this episode of Just Asking Questions, we're joined by New York Times columnist Ross Douthat to discuss the cultural, political, and demographic pressures reshaping the modern world. His recent essay, "An Age of Extinction Is Coming. Here's How to Survive," explores how digital life—from AI companions to algorithmic distraction—is accelerating trends toward social atomization, institutional collapse, and even plummeting birth rates. We talk with Douthat about how libertarians should respond to these changes, whether neo-traditionalism offers a credible path forward, and what it means to maintain meaning and community in the 21st century. This inte...2025-05-011h 03
The Ezra Klein ShowRoss Douthat on Trump, Mysticism and PsychedelicsI have no earthly idea how to describe this conversation. It’s about religion and belief – at this moment in our politics, and in our lives more generally.My guest and I come from very different perspectives. Ross Douthat is a Catholic conservative, who wrote a book called “Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious.” I’m a … Californian. But I think everyone would enjoy this conversation — believers, skeptics and seekers alike.Some questions touched on: Is the Trump administration Christian or pagan? How do Christian Trump supporters reconcile the cruelties of this administration with their faith? Can rel...2025-04-251h 35
Crosswalk Talk: Celebrity Christian InterviewsIs Religion Making a Comeback? A Conversation with Ross DouthatIn this thought-provoking episode of Crosswalk Talk, we welcome Ross Douthat — New York Times columnist and author of the new book Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious. Ross sits down to unpack why he believes our increasingly secular, spiritually curious culture is primed for a fresh conversation about faith, purpose, and the supernatural. From the decline of New Atheism to the rise of mysticism and UFO fascination, Ross explains how modern science, cultural trends, and existential questions are driving people back toward religious belief — or at least a deep curiosity about it. He shares how his new book...2025-04-1718 min
Honestly with Bari WeissRoss Douthat: Why It’s Logical to Believe in GodThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.thefp.comIf you look closely, you can argue that we’re starting to see the beginnings of a religious revival. Or at least, people (including young people) seriously reconsidering religion.Now, even if they don’t believe in God, they think that the practice of religion, like keeping Shabbat or going to church every Sunday, has clear benefits—community, a moral code to teach their kids, a rhythm of life. Religion, in other words, is a good program.But my...2025-04-1704 min
Honestly with Bari WeissRoss Douthat: Why It’s Logical to Believe in GodYou may have noticed on this show that Bari Weiss is always asking her guests, “Do you believe in God?,” “What is your favorite biblical character?,” or “Do we need a religious revival?”And you might be wondering why she keeps knocking on this door?It’s partly because we’re curious about people’s metaphysical beliefs. But it’s also because we think something profound has gotten lost in our society, as we’ve lost traditional religion. You can argue that we are starting to see the beginnings of a religious revival, an...2025-04-171h 35
EconTalkRational and Religious (with Ross Douthat)How can we explain the world's underlying order? How does consciousness emerge? And why do people from such different cultures have such similar near-death experiences? Listen as Ross Douthat, New York Times columnist and author of the new book Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious, argues that these and other unanswerable questions underscore his argument for the rationality of religious belief. He and EconTalk's Russ Roberts discuss Douthat's reasons for embracing faith with confidence, why science only bolsters his belief, and why he thinks that more religion would be a good thing for society.
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"Upstream" with Erik TorenbergAtheism’s Decline, Consciousness, and The New Right w/ Ross DouthatToday on Upstream, Ross Douthat joins Erik Torenberg to discuss his new book 'Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious,' exploring the decline of new atheism, the intellectual defense of institutional religion, and the intersection between traditional Christianity, Silicon Valley, and modern materialism.This episode originally aired on Moment of Zen (April 12, 2025).—📰Be notified early when Turpentine's drops new publication: https://www.turpentine.co/exclusiveaccess —RECOMMENDED PODCASTS: 🎙️Moment of ZenEvery week, Erik Torenberg, Dan...2025-04-1358 min
"Moment of Zen"Ross Douthat on Tech's Religious Awakening, AI, and TranshumanismIn this episode of Moment of Zen, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat joins Erik Torenberg to discuss his new book "Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious," making the case that institutional religion is not just socially beneficial but intellectually defensible. They discuss the decline of New Atheism, the tension between traditional Christianity and Silicon Valley's techno-optimism within the "New Right" coalition, and whether AI consciousness points to something beyond materialism.--📰 Be notified early when Turpentine's drops new publication: https://www.turpentine.co/exclusiveaccess 🙏...2025-04-121h 02
Know What You Believe with Michael HortonThe Case for Religion Amidst AI, UFOs, and Psychedelics with Ross Douthat New York Times opinion columnist Ross Douthat joins Michael Horton to discuss his latest book, Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious. But in an era of AI, potential UFOs, and psychedelic spiritual experiences, is there still a compelling case for organized religion? Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious by Ross Douthat: https://www.amazon.com/Believe-Why-Everyone-Should-Religious/dp/0310367581 GET YOUR COPY OF "ORDINARY" https://solamedia.org/partner/ FOLLOW US YouTube | Instagram | X/Twitter | Facebook | Newsletter WHO WE ARE Sola is home to White Horse Inn, Core Christianity, Modern Refo...2025-04-1043 min
Wisdom of CrowdsRoss Douthat on Why We Should All Be ReligiousThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.liveIn 2012, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat published Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics, a book about how mainstream American religion was devolving into the prosperity gospel, superstitious cults and other forms of heterodox faith. Thirteen years later, the American religious landscape has changed, and Ross wrote a new book tackling a much more basic question: why you should be religious at all. He joins Damir Marusic and Shadi Hamid to discuss that book, which is titled Believe: Why...2025-04-0448 min
The NocturnistsRe-Release: The Uncertain World of Chronic Lyme with Ross DouthatOur Uncertainty in Medicine series launches next week, and to set the stage, we’re sharing one of our favorite episodes from the archives - a heartfelt conversation with New York Times columnist Ross Douthat about his journey through the healthcare system while living with chronic Lyme disease. Medicine likes certainty - diseases we can see and test for and treat. But what do we do when we can't see? When we can't help? Do we keep searching? Or do we look away? In this episode, Emily speaks with New York Times columnist Ross Douthat ab...2025-03-2750 min
Adam Carolla ShowCocaine Pit Bulls, L.A.’s Parking Grift & Faith vs. Skepticism – Chrissie Mayr & Ross Douthat Join the ShowComedian Chrissie Mayr joins Adam and Mayhem to share stories about pregnancy, comedy, and her experiences navigating the ever-changing media landscape. She and Adam riff on Covid-era misinformation, the medical industry's history of stretching the truth, and bizarre internet trends, including the strange rise of “hot” Down syndrome influencers.
New York Times columnist and author Ross Douthat joins Adam to revisit their recent debate and continue their discussion on elite failures, media narratives, and government overreach. They break down how institutions push fear to control narratives, why politicians and the press distort reality, and the ever-growing divide between the ruling clas...2025-03-231h 50
The Michael Steele PodcastIs Our Political Identity Now Stronger Than Our Religious Identity? (with Ross Douthat)Michael Steele speaks with New York Times opinion columnist and author Ross Douthat about his new book, "Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious." The pair discuss how political identity now overshadows religious identity, the decline of religion in the U.S and how we can begin to reconcile science and faith.
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Shifting CultureEp. 282 Ross Douthat - Why Everyone Should Be ReligiousIn a world that often feels fragmented, uncertain, and spiritually empty, what if belief isn't just possible - but essential? Today, I'm sitting down with Ross Douthat, New York Times columnist and one of our most nuanced cultural thinkers, to explore a radical proposition: Why everyone should be religious in an age of growing skepticism. We're going beyond the debates of belief versus non-belief. This conversation dives into the mysteries at the heart of human experience - from quantum physics that suggests the universe might be more intentional than we thought, to near-death experiences that challenge everything we understand...2025-03-1857 min
Bookkast - Bestsellers in MinutesBelieve: Why Everyone Should Be Religious? | Ross Douthat’s Powerful Case for Faith🔥 Is religion still relevant in today's world? Ross Douthat, a renowned columnist and thinker, argues that faith is not just an emotional crutch but the most rational response to the mysteries of existence. In his book, Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious, Douthat dives deep into the case for theism, the role of religion in modern culture, and why secularism falls short.📖 What You’ll Discover in This Video:✅ Why belief in God is intellectually reasonable✅ The flaws in atheism and secular materialism✅ The power of faith in shaping identity & meaning✅ Insights into scientific discoveries that...2025-03-1625 min
Firing Line with Margaret HooverNYT columnist Ross Douthat on Trump and the new post-post-Cold War eraAs President Trump wages tariff wars around the world and upends the U.S. alliance with Ukraine, conservative New York Times columnist Ross Douthat and Margaret Hoover discuss the president’s actions, his address to Congress, and the future of the GOP.While Douthat defends the Trump administration's goal of achieving an armistice in Ukraine and convincing Europe to take on greater responsibility, he says that calling Zelensky a dictator “is not a good plan.” He also suggests a lasting peace will depend on whether Putin negotiates in good faith and whether the U.S. and Europe can pr...2025-03-0852 min
Reimagining the Good Life with Amy Julia BeckerWhy Religion Still Matters with Ross DouthatIn the work of reimagining, religion can play a significant part. What does it mean to be human? Does God exist? Is the universe good? Is there order and purpose to human life? These are the types of questions that help to shape our imagination about our individual lives and our life together. New York Times columnist Ross Douthat joins Amy Julia Becker to discuss his latest book, Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious. They explore:the current cultural landscape of religion in Americathe rise of secularism and the existential angst many face in a post-religious worldthe importance...2025-02-2552 min
The Sean McDowell ShowReligion Strikes Back: Why Everyone Should Believe in God (ft. Ross Douthat)As a columnist for the New York Times, Ross Douthat has a new book releasing in February on why he believes it is harder NOT to believe in God than to have faith. He traces how the God-conversation has radically shifted since the early 2000s. Join us for a deep-dive on religion today and the latest case for God from order in the cosmos and consciousness.
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Sphere PodcastEp 14 - Ross Douthat, New York Times - "Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious"On this week's episode of the Sphere Podcast, Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry, Publisher of Sphere Media, has his first returning guest! He talks to Ross Douthat, conservative columnist at the New York Times, about his just-released book, "Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious." They talk about why we need a new book about religion (PEG was originally skeptical, but reading Ross's book convinced him), why sociological change has made religious belief a newly-important topic, why spiritual experiences and miracles are serious topics of investigation, and finally, why demons are real. Subscribe to the PolicySphere Morning Briefing: h...2025-02-181h 07
The Holy Post656: Defunding USAID and Blue Like Jazz’s Gospel of Vibes with Ross DouthatThe White House is defunding USAID, one of the largest distributors of foreign aid, and blaming it on wasteful spending—like a D.E.I musical in Ireland. But as Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn unpack, the real losers are Christian relief organizations like World Relief and Catholic Charities, which now face devastating budget cuts. Then, it’s been over 20 years since the release of Blue Like Jazz, the bestselling book that made faith feel cool. Did it offer a helpful critique of evangelicalism, or was this the beginning of the rise of vibes-based Christianity? Also, New York Times columnist Ross...2025-02-121h 28
Enhance Your Knowledge Through the Magic of Full AudiobookBelieve: Why Everyone Should Be Religious Audiobook by Ross DouthatListen to this audiobook in full for free onhttps://hotaudiobook.com/freeID: 797739
Title: Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious
Author: Ross Douthat
Narrator: Ross Douthat
Format: Unabridged
Length: 9:05:00
Language: English
Release date: 02-11-25
Publisher: Zondervan Publishing Company
Genres: Religion & Spirituality, Non-Fiction, Christianity, Philosophy, Counseling & Inspirational
Summary:
Do you ever wish you had more faith, but struggle to make religious belief fit with modern assumptions about the world and human life? With a rare combination of empathy, open-mindedness, and persuasive argument, Ross Douthat offers a blueprint for thinking one's way from doubt to belief.
As a columnist for the New...2025-02-119h 05
GospelboundRoss Douthat: Why Everyone Should Be ReligiousCollin Hansen interviews Ross Douthat about his book, Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious, exploring the cultural shift toward religion and the importance of religious institutions. Douthat critiques the idea that intelligence leads to meaninglessness and discusses the dangers of a purely spiritual approach without structure. The conversation considers how suffering can strengthen faith and examines the modern spiritual crises of isolation and despair, highlighting the enduring relevance of the Gospels.
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The Aaron Renn ShowMaking the Case for Religion in a Secular Age | Ross DouthatNYT columnist Ross Douthat joins me to discuss his new book Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious. We explore why skeptics and non-believers should consider religious faith, examining evidence from science, philosophy, and human experience. Douthat makes the case that religious belief is not only reasonable but arguably obligatory for thinking people in our age.Buy the book: https://www.amazon.com/Believe-Why-Everyone-Should-Religious-ebook/dp/B0D8VNGWKL/?&_encoding=UTF8&tag=theurban-20Subscribe to my newsletter: https://www.aaronrenn.com/2025-02-1058 min
Conversations with TylerRoss Douthat on Why Religion Makes More Sense Than You Think Sign Up for the Boston Listener Meet Up For Ross Douthat, phenomena like UFO sightings and the simulation hypothesis don't challenge religious belief—they demonstrate how difficult it is to escape religious questions entirely. His new book, Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious makes the case for religious faith in an age of apparent disenchantment. In his third appearance on Conversations with Tyler, Ross joined Tyler to discuss what getting routed by Christopher Hitchens taught him about religious debate, why the simulation hypothesis resembles ancient Gnostic religion, what Mexican folk Catholicism reveals about spiritual intermediaries, hi...2025-02-051h 13
Faith MattersIs it Rational to Believe? - A Conversation with Ross DouthatThis week, Zach Davis is joined by New York Times columnist and author Ross Douthat to talk about his new book, Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious.Ross has spent his career bridging worlds—explaining faith and conservatism to a largely secular audience while also translating secular ideas back to religious readers. In this conversation, he makes a compelling case for why belief isn’t just a leap into the unknown, but a rational and maybe even necessary response to the world as we actually experience it.Zach and Ross also explore some of the majo...2025-01-2559 min
The Tikvah PodcastRoss Douthat and Meir Soloveichik on the State of American BeliefRoss Douthat occupies one of the most fascinating roles in the religious life of the American public. He is a serious Christian, a devout Catholic, a learned student of American religious history, and a perspicacious observer of the spiritual drives that are an inescapable aspect of the human condition. But what makes his role so fascinating is that he is also an opinion columnist at the New York Times. And readers of the New York Times tend to be considerably less religious, and if religious, then considerably less traditional in their religious habits and beliefs, than Douthat. So there...2025-01-241h 13
The BulletinThe Case for Belief with Ross DouthatThe Bulletin welcomes Ross Douthat for a conversation with Mike Cosper about what makes religion worth pursuing in a hypersecularized world.Find us on Youtube.What makes religion worth pursuing in a hypersecularized world? New York Times columnist Ross Douthat explores this question in his forthcoming book Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious. Today, Mike Cosper sits down with Douthat for a conversation about the elemental human impulse toward belief and why, especially in this modern age, it’s worth pausing to consider it. GO DEEPER WITH THE BULLETIN:
We want...2025-01-2146 min
Sphere PodcastEp 3 - Ross Douthat - GOP Populism, Why You Should Believe In God, And Why Conservatives Write Fantasy NovelsPascal-Emmanuel Gobry, Publisher of Sphere Media, interviews conservative New York Times columnist Ross Douthat, on a range of topics: the lessons of the 2024 election and Trump’s new populist coalition, why you should believe in God, and why conservatives enjoy reading and writing fantasy.Subscribe to the PolicySphere Morning Briefing: https://policysphere.com/subscribeFollow Ross on X: https://x.com/DouthatNYTSubscribe to Ross’s newsletter: https://www.nytimes.com/newsletters/ross-douthatRead Ross’s columns: https://www.nytimes.com/column/ross-douthatSubscribe to receive new chapters of Ross’s...2024-12-1058 min
The Back of the BookRoss Douthat on Fantasy Literature and The Falcon’s ChildrenNew York Times columnist Ross Douthat joins Chris to discuss his serialized fantasy novel, The Falcon’s Children. What inspired one of America’s most important political observers to write a work of fantasy, and to serialize it on Substack? What are his hopes for the project? And why is fantasy such a compelling literary genre?Show NotesRoss’s novel, The Falcon’s Children Ross on Game of Thrones and J.R.R. Tolkien Ross’s fantasy bookshelf Patricia Snow on Hilary MantelCorrection: Bret Easton Ellis did not publish his most re...2024-11-1549 min
KhanversationKhanversation #13: Kamala stumbles, Josiah and Ross Douthat's fantasy novel and Steve Sailer re-enters the Right Kamala stumbles Josiah and Ross Douthat's fantasy novel Steve Sailer re-enters the Right Related: Ross Douthat’s The Falcon’s Children. The full episode is available on: https://www.khanversationpod.com/p/khanversation-13-kamala-stumbles2024-10-211h 06
Conversing with Mark LabbertonFaith and Politics, with Ross Douthat“A certain degree of faith in Providence and a certain degree of confidence in America … May that combination not be overwhelmed by some disaster.” (New York Times columnist Ross Douthat, offering a blessing for election season) Contemporary political debate and commentary operates from deeply moral sources. People tend to vote their conscience. Our values and ideals, our sense of right and wrong, and our beliefs about what contributes or detracts from the common good often inform our politics. And across the political spectrum, Americans of all stripes exercise their citizenship and public engagement through a religi...2024-08-1347 min
The Bulwark PodcastRoss Douthat: Elite Outrage Is Not EnoughTrump wins voters who don't read The New York Times or listen to The Bulwark Podcast, and elite opposition may not be enough to defeat him. Ross Douthat joins Tim Miller for a spirited debate about what the conservative movement gave away in sacrifice to Trump on world leadership, abortion, and democracy.
show notes:
Douthat's recent piece on the pro-life movement
**Join Sarah, Tim and JVL for a Bulwark Live event in Philly on May 1, and May 15 in D.C. with the George Conway. For information and tickets head to TheBulwark.com/events
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The Civitas PodcastEpisode 12: A Conversation with Ross DouthatJames Wood and Peter Leithart are joined by special guest, Ross Douthat, to discuss the new right and post-liberalism._Ross Douthat is an opinion columnist at The New York Times, and is also a host on the weekly Opinion podcast, “Matter of Opinion.” Previously, he was a senior editor at The Atlantic and a blogger on its website.A prolific writer, Mr. Douthat has written for The Atlantic and National Review and has been published widely in the popular press. He is the author of several books including The Deep Places: A Memoir of Illn...2023-10-1756 min
Breaking BattlegroundsUnfiltered Perspectives with Kimberley Strassel and Ross DouthatIn this week's episode of we kick off with a dynamic duo. Join us as we sit down with Kimberley Strassel from The Wall Street Journal and Ross Douthat from The New York Times. Together, they'll provide unique insights into the ever-evolving landscape of media, as well as, share their perspectives on the Republican Party, Joe Biden and more.Later in the show, Chuck and Sam take the microphone to delve into some pressing current news, including VP Kamala Harris, Larry Sinclair’s appearance on Tucker Carlson and New York’s migrant “crisis.” In a brand-ne...2023-09-0942 min
Trinity Forum ConversationsThe Decadent Society with Ross DouthatDecadence isn’t a word most of us use on a daily basis, and yet author and columnist Ross Douthat believes that it perfectly captures the state of a largely stagnant and sclerotic American culture.In his book, The Decadent Society, Douthat explores both the meaning of decadence and the trajectory that led us there. But in addition to diagnosing our state of cultural stagnation, he points with great hope toward societal renewal:“I think the escape from decadence is probably a dynamic thing where technology, politics, and religion are all sort of oper...2023-09-0547 min
Razib Khan's Unsupervised LearningRoss Douthat: fantasy and the literary imaginationOn this episode of Unsupervised Learning Razib hosts Ross Douthat, author of Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics, Privilege: Harvard and the Education of the Ruling Class, Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream, The Deep Places: A Memoir of Illness and Discovery and The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Own Success. A columnist at The New York Times, often on political and social topics, Douthat also reviews movies for National Review. Today Razib talks to him about a topic that is a bit off the beat...2023-06-081h 06
Wisdom of CrowdsAre Big Ideas Still Possible? With Ross DouthatThis is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.liveAre big ideas still possible? Are there any “new” ideas left—and what makes an idea new in the first place? If we need new ideas to shake ourselves out of decadence, we should be careful what we wish for. Wokeness is one such “comprehensive framework.” Others might prove similarly frightening.This week, Shadi is joined by New York Times columnist and author of The Decadent Society Ross Douthat and the political philosopher Samuel Kimbriel. Recently, Sam wrote an essay “...2023-05-2143 min
The Russell Moore ShowRoss Douthat on American Religion and Where Martin Luther was Right and WrongOn this episode, New York Times Opinion columnist Ross Douthat tells Russell Moore where he's wrong on Catholicism and American culture. Kind of.Douthat and Moore consider what it looks like for Christians to engage civically without surrendering to the relentless urgency of the political cycle. They discuss the Roman Catholic Church and what's happening at the intersection of religion, American culture, and world culture. They have a rich discussion of Douthat's religious upbringing, corruption in religious hierarchies, and when Martin Luther did (and didn't) have a point. They talk about Pope John Paul II and Pope...2023-01-2551 min
Village Global's SolarpunkRestoring Dynamism in a Decadent Society with Ross DouthatRoss Douthat (@DouthatNYT), New York Times columnist and author of The Decadent Society, joins Lucas Bagno and Ian Cinnamon on this episode. Takeaways:- Since the moon landing, we have entered a period of stagnation. Confidence and optimism have declined and culture has entered a repetitive spiral where patterns from the 60s/70s have been repeating themselves.- Government has become less effective and more gridlocked over time.- The world’s richest societies are dealing with a population problem. They are not reproducing themselves, which has led to aging societies that are “stable but...2022-09-2951 min
Outdoor Journal Radio: The PodcastEpisode 33: Bass Eradication and Chronic Lyme w/ Ross DouthatThis week on Outdoor Journal Radio, the boys are joined by author and New York Times columnist, Ross Douthat!First, however, a bit of housekeeping was in order. Topics discussed include: Pete’s jig obsession; broadening horizons; predetermining fish behaviour; sticking with hardbaits; eradicating smallmouth bass; bass and muskie haters; Rotenone; 10-year plans; sneaky fish kills; more pike attacks; offending the Atlantic Salmon types; angling premiers; stocking the kiss of death; mandatory fishing courses; not reading regs; and driving courses.With those matters out of the way. Ross Douthat joins the show to talk about hi...2022-09-221h 18