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We Want Them Infected PodcastAI Approvals for Drugs, But RCTs for Vaccines?Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent examine the alarming elevation of wellness influencer Casey Means as Surgeon General nominee, despite lacking a medical license or conventional medical credibility. They delve into Vinay Prasad’s appointment as head of vaccine regulation, scrutinizing his past critiques of RCT deficiencies—and the impossible standards he now sets for himself. The episode also investigates the troubling rise of an autism registry, likened to authoritarian categorization, and NIH’s internal collapse under Jay Bhattacharya, whose leadership is marked by mass layoffs and denial of responsibility. With science policy veering into cronyism, dismantling, and pe...2025-05-111h 19
We Want Them Infected PodcastRFK Jr., COVID Vaccines & the Assault on Public HealthDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent return to discuss the alarming direction of U.S. public health, focusing on RFK Jr.’s misinformation campaign about vaccines, the threat of COVID booster access disappearing under political pressure, and the erosion of CDC authority. They critique the hypocrisy of figures like Marty Makary and Vinay Prasad who now call for new randomized controlled trials while simultaneously undercutting access to vaccines. The conversation also highlights the troubling revisionist COVID narratives being pushed by mainstream journalists and the dangerous implications of gutting pandemic protections—particularly for vulnerable groups. 2025-05-051h 03
We Want Them Infected PodcastSoft Eugenics and the New Normal of Public HealthIn this episode, Jonathan and Wendy reunite to unpack an overwhelming cascade of public health failures. From the misuse of "soft eugenics" rhetoric to justify vaccine hesitancy, to the measles outbreaks being minimized and blamed on migrants and past COVID policies, they trace the unraveling of scientific integrity under the new administration. They highlight how figures like RFK Jr., Marty Makary, and Jay Bhattacharya have normalized misinformation, degraded public trust, and allowed preventable diseases to resurge. Despite some isolated bright spots, the episode paints a stark portrait of how ideology, not evidence, is now driving federal health leadership. 2025-04-291h 22
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Day the NIH Fired 1200 ScientistsOn this week's episode of We Want Them Infected, Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the apocalyptic headlines coming out of U.S. public health agencies. From mass firings at the NIH and FDA, to the appointment of anti-vaccine ideologues like Jay Bhattacharya and Marty Makary, this episode chronicles the rapid unraveling of institutional science under RFK Jr.'s administration. The duo unpack the performative contradictions, gaslighting statements, and political interference now shaping federal health policy—and ask, how bad can it really get? Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ ...2025-04-071h 08
We Want Them Infected PodcastCDC Collapse in Real TimeIn their most urgent and emotionally charged episode yet, Dr. Jonathan Howard and science journalist Wendy Orent confront the accelerating unraveling of public health institutions in the United States under the RFK Jr. administration. They open with a flood of disturbing headlines: Peter Marks, the nation’s top vaccine expert, has been ousted. Measles is surging in Texas, and children are arriving at hospitals with liver failure after being treated with toxic vitamin A overdoses—recommended by RFK-aligned influencers. The CDC and NIH are being gutted: funding pulled, scientists fired, and rese...2025-03-301h 41
We Want Them Infected PodcastMisguided Theories & Missing Data: Revisiting the GBD’s LegacyThis episode critically examines In COVID's Wake by Princeton professors Steven M. and Francis Lee, focusing on their defense of the Great Barrington Declaration. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent argue that the authors downplay the catastrophic errors of the GBD architects, who pushed for herd immunity through mass infection while opposing vaccines, masks, and lockdowns. The discussion highlights the disconnection between political science theorizing and real-world public health outcomes. Using Florida as a case study, they showcase the tragic failures of the GBD’s approach, debunking the revisionist portrayal of its policies as reasonable or compassionate. The...2025-03-261h 05
We Want Them Infected PodcastRFK Jr. Wanted to “Study” Vaccines—Now a Child Is DeadIn this episode of Therapy Time with Jonathan and Wendy, hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the growing measles outbreak in the U.S. and how it exposes the deadly consequences of RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccine agenda. With 259 cases in Texas alone, including 34 hospitalizations and two deaths, the hosts discuss how this outbreak was entirely preventable—yet fueled by years of misinformation from figures like RFK Jr. and his allies. Dr. Howard reflects on an invitation he received to speak with a filmmaker producing a documentary on the Great Barrington Declaration, questioning whether it wi...2025-03-171h 13
We Want Them Infected PodcastMeasles Outbreak Exposes His Anti-Vaccine LegacyJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent analyze the confirmation of Jay Bhattacharya to the NIH, lamenting the Senate’s failure to scrutinize his history of COVID misinformation. They discuss RFK Jr.’s unexpected pro-vaccine article in response to the Texas measles outbreak, highlighting how real-world responsibility has forced him into an awkward position. Yet, despite acknowledging the measles vaccine’s effectiveness, Kennedy continues to pander to his anti-vaccine base by avoiding direct recommendations. Meanwhile, the same misinformation tactics used to downplay COVID—claiming alternative causes of death, accusing doctors of malpractice, and insisting on...2025-03-091h 14
We Want Them Infected PodcastNo Flu Shots Next Year? RFK Jr. Cancels Key FDA MeetingDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the growing public health disasters under RFK Jr.’s leadership at HHS. They cover the first measles death of a child in over 30 years, the cancellation of a crucial flu vaccine advisory meeting, and the termination of funding for a promising oral COVID vaccine trial. Meanwhile, RFK Jr. moves to eliminate public commentary on HHS decisions, and scientific institutions continue to suffer massive cuts. They highlight the Orwellian doublespeak of Vinay Prasad and others who once demanded more RCTs—only to stay silent as Kennedy cancels them. ...2025-03-0351 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastMass Firings at the NIH & CDC: What Comes Next?Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the devastating consequences of public health misinformation, the rise of RFK Jr.'s influence, and the sweeping purges at institutions like the CDC, FDA, and NIH. They examine how once-dismissive medical professionals are now reckoning with the damage as funding cuts and anti-vaccine policies take hold. The hosts also reflect on the role of social media in enabling misinformation and the hypocrisy of those who ignored warning signs for years. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The...2025-02-231h 00
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Medical Leaders Who Refused to Stand UpJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the disastrous confirmation of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as head of the HHS and the broader failure of medical and political leaders to confront misinformation. They highlight how figures like Adam Sifu, Jeffrey Flier, and Stanford President Jonathan Levin failed to challenge the growing anti-science movement, normalizing dangerous narratives that have now taken hold in American policy. The gutting of NIH funding, the resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases, and the continued gaslighting by figures like Vinay Prasad and John Mandrola all point to a grim future for public health. The ep...2025-02-161h 04
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe War on Science: Trump’s Purge of Public Health ExpertsIn this episode of We Want Them Infected, Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the catastrophic turn of events in public health and science policy under the Trump administration. RFK Jr. is poised to take control of the U.S. Health Department, the NIH has been gutted, and the CDC is actively censoring critical data. They examine how misinformation doctors like Vinay Prasad and Jay Bhattacharya helped normalize the war on science, how academia failed to respond, and why these cuts will have devastating long-term effects. Finally, they reflect on their own past misjudgments an...2025-02-101h 16
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Death of Scientific Integrity in the Prasad EraDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the shocking contradictions of those who once claimed to defend scientific dialogue but now cheerlead for mass censorship. They dissect the hypocrisy of figures like Vinay Prasad, Jay Bhattacharya, and Marty Makary—who spent years railing against censorship but remain silent as the new administration muzzles scientists, cancels NIH study sections, and defunds critical research. They also examine Prasad’s crude, vengeful rhetoric and the complicity of his defenders, who tone-police critics while tolerating his unprofessionalism. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author...2025-02-021h 14
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Rise of Dr. Marty MakaryDr. Marty Makary’s controversial positions during the COVID-19 pandemic have sparked debate over his suitability to lead the FDA. Despite his early rationality in addressing the crisis, he shifted to downplaying the virus’s impact, overstating natural immunity, and spreading dubious claims about vaccine-related myocarditis. The episode also highlights his misleading narratives about pediatric COVID risks and corporate entanglements. The hosts question how his past actions, driven by political and ideological motives, align with public health values and warn of the potential damage his leadership could inflict. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jona...2025-01-2657 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastScience or Spectacle? When Doctors Play Politics with PandemicsDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent confront the troubling trend of downplaying the consequences of pandemic misinformation. They tackle RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccine legacy and its normalization by influential doctors, explore the Great Barrington Declaration’s advocacy for mass infection, and critique the intellectual theater around pandemic debates. The hosts highlight how these debates often overshadow the human toll of COVID, with 15 million lives lost globally. The episode also delves into the lab leak theory, emphasizing the need to focus on pandemic prevention over origin speculation. Howard and Orent challenge the narrative that figures like Jay...2025-01-191h 15
We Want Them Infected PodcastRewriting Pandemic History and the Myth of Herd ImmunityIn this episode, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dissect the ongoing efforts to rewrite the history of the COVID-19 pandemic, particularly the role of the Great Barrington Declaration. They examine Dr. Edward Livingston's recent commentary on the document, which downplays its advocacy for herd immunity through mass infection and instead praises its criticism of lockdowns. Jonathan and Wendy expose how Livingston’s reframing and similar narratives contribute to the "Great Forgetting," erasing the devastating consequences of such proposals and the failure to protect vulnerable populations. They also critique the growing tendency to valorize empty statements like "I would ha...2025-01-1246 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastFrom Semmelweis to Bhattacharya: Misguided Comparisons in MedicineJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the controversial history of the Great Barrington Declaration, a document that advocated for herd immunity via natural infection, and its lasting impact on public health discourse. They critique the flawed claims made by its authors and discuss how the Declaration’s proponents have rewritten its history to align with more socially palatable narratives. The hosts draw parallels to historical missteps in medicine, such as the unethical Tuskegee study, and dismantle comparisons to figures like Ignaz Semmelweis. Highlighting the real-world consequences of these ideas, they explore the devastation during Florida’s Delta wave and chal...2025-01-061h 06
We Want Them Infected PodcastWhen Evidence Fails to Convince: The Fallout of Vaccine MistrustJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle two deeply troubling articles advocating for RFK Jr.’s role in vaccine oversight. They dissect claims linking Kennedy to evidence-based medicine and highlight his role in the deadly Samoa measles outbreak, where misinformation sowed distrust and fueled a public health disaster. The hosts criticize calls for impossible vaccine trials and underscore the irresponsibility of anti-vaccine rhetoric. Wrapping up, they urge listeners to advocate against RFK Jr.’s potential nomination, stressing the critical importance of preserving public trust in vaccines. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The F...2024-12-2959 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastRFK Jr., Medical Misinformation, and the Fight for America's FutureDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent address the rise of anti-vaccine rhetoric, focusing on RFK Jr.'s potential confirmation to a major public health position. They examine the role of high-profile doctors like Vinay Prasad and Martin Kulldorff in legitimizing RFK Jr.'s views and discuss the failure of medical leaders to challenge misinformation. Highlighting past outbreaks and the potential for future vaccine rollbacks, the duo warns of dire public health consequences, especially for children. They criticize platforms that profit from anti-science narratives while urging listeners to contact senators and oppose RFK Jr.'s confirmation. The episode underscores the...2024-12-2359 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastRFK Jr.’s Anti-Vaccine Appointments: A Dangerous Future for Public HealthThis episode of We Want Them Infected delves into the implications of RFK Jr.'s recent nominations to lead major public health agencies, including his selection of anti-vaccine advocates for key roles. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent analyze the potential resurgence of preventable diseases such as measles, polio, and pertussis due to declining vaccination rates. They also critique the medical professionals and media figures who normalized RFK Jr.’s rhetoric, arguing that these individuals bear responsibility for the unfolding crisis. The hosts emphasize the critical need for accurate reporting on the pandemic records of public health leaders and ca...2024-11-2536 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastFauci’s Foes: The New Era of Public Health Scapegoating"Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent trace the evolution of COVID-19 discourse from the early calls for open scientific debate to the current atmosphere of hostility and revenge. They examine the shift in tone from figures like Vinay Prasad, who initially warned against demonizing heterodox views, to now using inflammatory language that fuels public outrage against scientists and public health officials. The discussion highlights the rise of dangerous populist narratives that threaten the integrity of the public health system, with explicit calls for purges, prosecutions, and dismantling of vaccine mandates. Drawing historical comp...2024-11-1742 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe 5th of November: A Day of Reckoning for Public HealthThe latest episode of We Want Them Infected dives into the unsettling consequences of the recent election, with RFK Jr. poised to gain significant influence over public health policy. Jonathan and Wendy lament the spread of misinformation and its role in shaping voter choices, particularly the anti-vaccine rhetoric promoted by influential figures like RFK Jr., Jay Bhattacharya, and Marty McCary. They worry about the potential rollback of school vaccine mandates, the erosion of CDC authority, and the long-term impact on disease prevention efforts. The hosts call for a renewed focus on grassroots efforts to educate co...2024-11-1026 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastElection-Eve Anxiety: What RFK Jr.’s Public Health Control Could Mean for AmericaIn this pre-election episode of We Want Them Infected, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the alarming potential of RFK Jr. assuming control over America’s key health agencies under a Trump administration. With stakes high for the election, the episode dissects the anti-vaccine rhetoric and misinformation strategies that could influence policies affecting public health, and they delve into statements made by RFK Jr. and supporting figures like Dr. Vinay Prasad and Dr. Marty McCary. The episode stresses the importance of awareness and voting, as potential outcomes could reshape America’s public health landscape.In thi...2024-11-0450 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastRFK Jr., Big Pharma, and DisinformationHosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent return to discuss the normalization of anti-vaccine and disinformation narratives within respected medical circles. They explore prominent doctors’ public support for RFK Jr., who has spread numerous vaccine-related conspiracy theories. The episode critiques figures like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Marty McCary for endorsing Kennedy’s viewpoints and the potential risks if RFK's allies gain key health roles. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and asso...2024-10-3146 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Perils of Pandemic Revisionism: RFK Jr. and the Threat to Public HealthJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the dangerous world of pandemic revisionism and vaccine misinformation spearheaded by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. They detail RFK Jr.'s extensive history of promoting anti-vaccine rhetoric and conspiracy theories, from false claims about COVID-19 targeting specific ethnic groups to his unfounded accusations linking vaccines to autism. The hosts warn about RFK Jr.’s recent alliance with Donald Trump and the frightening prospect of him influencing public health policies if Trump wins the 2024 election. Howard and Orient also stress the importance of resisting revisionist narratives about the pandemic and the harm that unchecked me...2024-09-2245 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Lab Leak Theory and Zoonotic Diseases: Unpacking the EvidenceJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent delve into the debate over COVID-19’s origins, discussing the scientific evidence behind both the lab leak and natural transmission theories. They critique the rhetoric used by some public health figures and organizations like Biosafety Now, highlighting the contradictions in how lab safety and herd immunity have been framed during the pandemic. The episode concludes by emphasizing the need for a balanced approach to both lab safety and zoonotic disease prevention in future pandemic preparedness. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine P...2024-09-1252 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastRFK Jr.'s Controversial Moves and the Future of Anti-Vaccine PoliticsIn this episode, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore recent COVID-19 developments, including a study from JAMA examining long-term outcomes of vaccine-induced myocarditis versus COVID-19 myocarditis. They discuss the implications of these findings, contrasting the media's portrayal of vaccine myocarditis with the actual data. The conversation shifts to the controversial political landscape as RFK Jr. drops out of the presidential race to endorse Trump, highlighting his continued influence on the anti-vaccine movement. The episode also previews a contentious upcoming conference at Stanford University focused on COVID-19 pandemic policies, questioning the repr...2024-09-0140 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastDr. Prasad’s Inconsistent COVID-19 Vaccine ArgumentsIn this episode, the discussion centers around the spread of misinformation about COVID-19 and vaccines by certain doctors, with a specific focus on Dr. Vinay Prasad. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critique Dr. Prasad's approach to public discourse about the pandemic, pointing out his contradictory statements and apparent disregard for scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of vaccines in children. They highlight how Dr. Prasad's fear-mongering over vaccine side effects predates any actual data on pediatric vaccines, suggesting a bias that undermines public health efforts. The episode underscores the dangers of such misinformation, particularly when it influences p...2024-08-2545 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastCOVID Controversy: Are Doctors Using Tone Policing to Silence the Truth?Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the harmful effects of tone policing within the medical community, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. They argue that tone policing is being used to protect prominent figures who have spread misleading information, such as Dr. John Ioannidis and Emily Oster, while silencing legitimate criticism. The hosts emphasize the importance of maintaining open debate and challenge the hypocrisy of those who prioritize politeness over truth, even as the pandemic continues to claim lives. The discussion underscores the need for transparency and accountability in public health discourse. Connect with us...2024-08-1849 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastWhat If Herd Immunity Was Never Possible?Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the controversial topic of herd immunity in the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore how early beliefs in natural immunity, touted by prominent figures, have been debunked by the ongoing waves of COVID reinfections and deaths. The discussion highlights how some experts have attempted to redefine herd immunity to cover up their past mistakes, and the duo emphasizes the importance of admitting errors rather than misleading the public. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/ The Fine Print The content pre...2024-08-1145 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastHow Anti-Vax Rhetoric is Endangering Children's LivesIn this episode, Dr. Howard and Wendy discuss the troubling trend of politicizing vaccines, focusing on recent comments by Trump and JD Vance against vaccine and mask mandates in schools. They explore the misinformation spread by notable figures like Marty McCary, who falsely claimed that no healthy children have died from COVID. The episode also addresses the alarming resurgence of COVID cases in San Francisco and the potential return of mask mandates. By debunking myths and highlighting the real risks COVID poses to children, especially those with conditions like asthma and obesity, the hosts aim to provide a clear...2024-08-0438 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastCOVID Vaccines vs. Routine Childhood VaccinesDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss a controversial Reuters article revealing a Pentagon-led secret anti-vax campaign aimed at discrediting China's Sinovac vaccine. They delve into the ethical implications and consequences of this campaign, highlighting the impact on public trust in vaccines. The hosts also address recent COVID-19 trends, vaccination debates, and the importance of maintaining routine childhood immunizations amidst the pandemic. List of Resources Reuters Article: Pentagon Ran Secret Anti Vax Campaign to Undermine China During the Pandemic CDC COVID-19 Data Tracker American Academy of Pediatrics: COVID-19 Vaccine Recommendations 2024-07-211h 01
We Want Them Infected PodcastFact-Checking Dr. Ioannidis' COVID-19 StatementsJonathan Howard's latest podcast episode revisits the early COVID-19 predictions of Dr. John Ioannidis, a prominent figure known for his controversial stance on herd immunity and the pandemic's severity. Howard plays clips from Ioannidis' interviews and writings, highlighting significant discrepancies between his optimistic projections and the actual outcomes of the pandemic. The episode also addresses Ioannidis' views on vaccine side effects, contrasting them with the broader scientific consensus. Howard provides a thorough fact-check, drawing from various sources to debunk misleading claims and emphasize the importance of evidence-based approaches to public health. List of Resources Dr. John Ioannidis' interview...2024-07-1432 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Great Barrington Declaration's Doomed Herd Immunity PlanDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the Great Barrington Declaration, a controversial document that proposed achieving herd immunity by allowing COVID-19 to spread among low-risk populations. They explore the impracticalities and dangers of this plan, the public's rejection of it, and the declaration's failure to protect vulnerable individuals. The discussion highlights the unrealistic expectations of the declaration's authors and the real-world consequences of their recommendations. This episode underscores the importance of practical, evidence-based public health strategies. Resources The Great Barrington Declaration - Original document outlining the plan for achieving herd immunity through natural infection. M...2024-07-0757 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastDoctors Who Called COVID Over Too SoonJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the premature declarations of herd immunity made by various doctors during the COVID-19 pandemic. They revisit statements by Dr. Marty McCary, Dr. Monica Gandhi, Dr. Lucy McBride, and others who incorrectly claimed that the pandemic was nearly over, even as new variants like Delta and Omicron emerged. The hosts discuss the impact of these false claims on public health and trust in medical professionals, emphasizing the need for accurate information and responsible communication. They explore how these declarations contributed to complacency and undermined efforts to control the virus. The episode underscores the...2024-06-302h 02
We Want Them Infected PodcastScientific Debate or Public Deceit?This episode of "We Want Them Infected" explores the early pandemic predictions made by Dr. John Ioannidis and the subsequent misinformation that spread from credible academic sources to conspiracy theorists and political figures. Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orant analyze Ioannidis's claims, such as the prediction that only 40,000 Americans would die from COVID-19 and the assertion that most deaths were not directly caused by the virus. They also discuss the impact of these predictions on public perception and policy. The episode includes an open invitation for doctors criticized on the podcast to join for a civil and evidence-based debate...2024-06-2743 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastI've Been Cancelled. Will Bari Weiss Care?Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss Jonathan's recent experience of being cancelled, censored, and silenced. Jonathan shares his story about being disinvited from speaking at a conference because his talk was considered "too political." The conference organizers, fearing backlash from powerful politicians and the potential negative impact on their organization, decided to cancel his talk. Jonathan challenges prominent figures like Bari Weiss, who advocate for free speech, to come to his defense. The episode critiques the misinformation spread by prominent doctors during the COVID-19 pandemic, emphasizing the contrast between genuine scientific discourse and the misleading information...2024-06-1755 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Dark Truth About COVID-19 Natural Immunity ClaimsJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent focus on the escalating hostility towards Dr. Anthony Fauci, spurred by political rhetoric and the divisive stances of certain doctors advocating for herd immunity. They explore the history of Fauci's comments on masks, the critiques from the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, and the broader implications of these conflicts for public health. The episode also touches on the parallels drawn between current public health debates and historical examples of persecuted scientists, emphasizing the detrimental impact of misinformation and personal attacks on public health efforts. List of Resources Great Barrington D...2024-06-0947 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastWhy Using Children as Human Shields for Herd Immunity Is a Dangerous LieJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the pro-infection movement that supports infecting unvaccinated children to achieve herd immunity. They discuss the recent conviction of Trump and the public's reaction, highlighting the parallels between political and medical misinformation. The episode critically examines statements made by figures like Dr. Scott Atlas and Dr. Vinay Prasad, pointing out their inconsistencies and the potential harm of their advocacy. The hosts stress the importance of relying on scientific evidence and the dangers posed by spreading misleading information. Resources CDC COVID-19 Information: CDC World Health Organization (WH...2024-06-0241 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastVaccines and Variants: What Went Wrong in 2021?Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the problematic communication surrounding COVID-19 vaccines in 2021. They highlight the overly optimistic claims made by several doctors and how these statements contributed to public mistrust when vaccines did not completely eliminate transmission or provide long-term immunity. The episode critiques the medical community's handling of vaccine messaging and emphasizes the importance of honesty and caution in public health communications. List of Resources: CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Information: Website: CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Information Description: The official CDC page provides up-to-date information on COVID-19 vaccines, including guidance on v...2024-05-2853 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Real Cost of School Closures During COVID-19Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle the contentious issue of school closures during the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore the narrative that school closures were merely a choice influenced by cautious politicians and unions, contrasting it with the reality that the virus itself forced many schools to shut down. The hosts discuss the devastating effects on students, teachers, and families, highlighting cases of illness, death, and the rise in COVID orphans. They also criticize certain medical professionals for advocating mass infection strategies and collaborating with child labor proponents. The episode aims to debunk pandemic revisionism an...2024-05-2050 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastDisputed Data: The Ongoing Debate Over COVID's Cardiac EffectsThe episode explores the complex narrative surrounding COVID-19's impact on cardiac health and the conflicting views on vaccine-induced myocarditis. By examining the discourse and publications of medical conservatives, the hosts illustrate a significant discrepancy in how COVID-19 cardiac problems are portrayed compared to those related to the vaccine. Highlighting specific cases and statistical misinterpretations presented by doctors like Prasad and Mandrola, the episode argues that such narratives could lead to public misunderstanding about the risks of COVID-19 compared to the relatively minor risks associated with the vaccine. The discussion extends to the broader implications of such m...2024-05-1448 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastVaccine Myocarditis and Youth RisksDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the concerns around vaccine myocarditis in children, emphasizing the rarity and mild nature of this side effect in the context of broader COVID-19 impacts. They provide a detailed analysis of the incidence and severity of COVID-19 among different age groups, underlining the disproportionate effects on black and Hispanic children. The hosts critically examine the statistical representation of COVID-related deaths and hospitalizations, shedding light on underestimation and overestimation issues. By comparing the effects of the disease and the side effects of the vaccine, they argue for the importance of va...2024-05-0642 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastMethodolatry & Madness: The Pitfalls of RCTs During a PandemicThis episode of "We Want Them Infected" features a critical examination of the role and challenges of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orange discuss how the pandemic has tested the limits of RCTs, which are often considered the gold standard in medical research. They address the ethical concerns that arise when implementing RCTs during a crisis, such as the risk to participants and the feasibility of obtaining informed consent under emergency conditions. Jonathan shares his experience participating in an RCT for the AstraZeneca vaccine, highlighting...2024-04-281h 00
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Evolution of Dr. Prasad's Views on VaccinesThe focus of today’s episode turned to Dr. Vinay Prasad, a once-distinguished oncologist who has become a leading advocate for the controversial pro-infection movement. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent criticized Prasad's shift towards advocating for natural COVID-19 infection over vaccination in children, an approach they argue is both unethical and scientifically unfounded. The discussion highlighted Prasad's journey from a reputable medical expert to a figure promoting potentially harmful public health strategies. By tracing his public statements and writings, the hosts illustrated how his views have evolved, seemingly influenced by anti-vaccine rhetoric and the misinterpretation of...2024-04-2151 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastDr. Scott Atlas's Role in Trump's COVID ResponseDr. Jonathan Howard delves into the controversial tenure of Dr. Scott Atlas as President Trump's coronavirus advisor. Atlas, who lacked a background in infectious diseases, was a proponent of achieving herd immunity by allowing the virus to spread among low-risk populations—a strategy considered dangerous by many health experts. The podcast critiques Atlas's approach, which ignored the potential for severe consequences across all age groups and disproportionately impacted vulnerable populations. Howard points out that Atlas's policies were not grounded in solid scientific consensus but were instead influenced by a misinterpretation of herd immunity concepts. The episode also to...2024-04-1442 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Cost of COVID-19 DecisionsThe conversation scrutinizes the advocacy for herd immunity as a response to COVID-19, highlighting the ethical and practical issues with targeting unvaccinated children and young adults for infection. It explores the aftermath of the Great Barrington Declaration, including minimized concerns for COVID-19 variants and opposition to vaccinations for children. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent also address the negative repercussions on healthcare services and education, underscoring the dissonance between initial pandemic strategies and subsequent reassessments of those approaches. The hosts emphasize the importance of reflecting on the pandemic's handling to understand the implications of decision-making du...2024-04-071h 02
We Want Them Infected PodcastDissecting the Great Barrington DeclarationDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent engage in a comprehensive critique of the movement advocating for herd immunity through natural infection among unvaccinated populations. They dissect the flawed arguments presented in early pandemic responses, highlighting Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's controversial statements and the backlash from the scientific community. The episode critically analyzes the Great Barrington Declaration, its implications, and its failure to address the complexities of COVID-19 management effectively. Through their discussion, Howard and Orant explore the broader consequences of misinformation and the ethical considerations in public health strategies, emphasizing the importance of vaccination and accurate scientific communication. 2024-03-3158 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastHerd Immunity: Scientific Optimism or Public Health Hazard?Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the strategy of intentionally infecting unvaccinated populations to reach herd immunity. The discussion revisits predictions made by health experts in the early stages of the pandemic, highlighting how optimistic expectations often fell short in the face of evolving challenges, such as the emergence of new variants. The conversation covers significant dates and statements from various health experts, analyzing their implications and the reality of their outcomes. The hosts discuss the ethical and practical considerations of exposing children and young adults to the virus, questioning the morality and feasibility of...2024-03-2444 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Doctors Advocating for Natural COVID ImmunityDr. Jonathan Howard takes a solo dive into the rationale behind some medical professionals' controversial endorsement of natural COVID-19 infection over vaccination to achieve herd immunity. Addressing a query from a listener, the podcast episode aims to uncover the motivations behind such a high-risk strategy, beyond the commonly cited reasons of greed and political influence. Throughout the episode, Howard examines the stance of several respected doctors from prestigious institutions who surprisingly supported the notion of purposeful exposure to the virus among the unvaccinated, particularly children and young adults. This approach starkly contrasts with the global push for...2024-03-1738 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastCOVID Strategy FlawsJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the complex and controversial strategies surrounding COVID-19, particularly focusing on the approach to infect unvaccinated individuals for herd immunity. They critique the Great Barrington Declaration's focus on protecting the elderly and other high-risk groups through measures like testing, reduced staff rotation, and non-admittance of COVID-19 affected individuals into nursing homes. They highlight the challenges and impracticalities of these measures, citing real-world examples and expert opinions. The conversation sheds light on the broader ethical and logistical issues in managing the pandemic and protecting vulnerable populations. List of Resources: G...2024-03-101h 00
We Want Them Infected PodcastStrategies and Failures in COVID ManagementDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle the controversial Great Barrington Declaration, which proposes allowing COVID-19 to spread among unvaccinated children and young adults to achieve herd immunity. This strategy, according to the declaration, would protect vulnerable populations through "focused protection." Howard and Orent explore the ethical and logistical challenges of this approach, highlighting the difficulty in segregating vulnerable individuals from the rest of the population. They question the feasibility of creating an "impenetrable wall" to shield those at risk and critique the declaration's simplistic measures such as frequent testing in nursing homes, reduced staff rotation, and...2024-03-0346 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastVaccine Hesitancy in the Age of COVIDDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackled the contentious issue of measles outbreaks in New Orleans and Florida, placing a spotlight on the unconventional public health advice dispensed by Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo. Ladapo’s guidance, which diverged from traditional outbreak management by allowing unvaccinated children to attend school, sparked widespread concern among public health professionals and vaccination advocates. The discussion extended beyond the immediate crisis, addressing the influence of anti-vaccine rhetoric, notably from figures associated with the Great Barrington Declaration, on public health strategies. The episode critically examined the implications of such policies on the broader goal of maintaining hi...2024-02-2640 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastSweden's COVID Strategy and Its ConsequencesJonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the contentious approach Sweden took towards managing the COVID-19 pandemic. Sweden's strategy, characterized by an avoidance of lockdowns and an emphasis on herd immunity, has been a subject of international scrutiny and debate. The hosts explore the implications of keeping schools open, the minimal use of masks, and the lack of social distancing measures in educational settings. As the episode unfolds, Howard and Orent critique the Great Barrington Declaration's influence on Sweden's pandemic policies, challenging the declaration's assertions with evidence of the strategy's shortcomings. The tragic outcomes, particularly the high...2024-02-1844 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Fallacies of Comparing COVID to the Flu for KidsDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the contentious issue of achieving herd immunity by infecting unvaccinated children and young adults with COVID-19. This approach, criticized for its ethical and scientific shortcomings, particularly overlooks the significant risks COVID-19 poses to children, contrary to the assertions of some health professionals and the Great Barrington Declaration. Howard and Orent correct a misquote from a previous episode and address disturbing listener feedback, underlining the podcast's role in challenging COVID-19 misinformation. They meticulously debunk the false equivalence between COVID-19 and influenza risks for children, highlighting the greater danger COVID-19 presents, contrary...2024-02-1150 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastResponding to Our CriticsDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the criticisms and negative reviews they have received for their podcast. They discuss accusations of ad hominem attacks and misrepresentations made by doctors they have quoted in their discussions on pandemic policies and vaccination strategies. Dr. Howard begins by acknowledging the seriousness of the pandemic and the consequences of words spoken during such times. He highlights that some individuals treated the pandemic as a game, engaging in personal attacks instead of focusing on constructive discussions. The main focus of the episode is responding to a negative review...2024-02-0448 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastPT3: The Great Barrington Declaration's Claims About LockdownsThe COVID-19 pandemic has been a global crisis that has reshaped the way we live and interact with each other. Amid the chaos and uncertainty, various strategies and policies were implemented to curb the spread of the virus. One such strategy was lockdowns, which drew significant attention and debate throughout the pandemic. In this article, we delve into the Great Barrington Declaration, a document that criticized lockdowns as a response to the pandemic and offered an alternative perspective. We examine the arguments presented in the declaration, assess their validity, and explore the consequences of lockdown measures. Lockdowns...2024-01-281h 03
We Want Them Infected PodcastPT2: Debating the Merits of the Great Barrington DeclarationThe GBD, penned in October 2020, proposed an alternative strategy to the prevailing COVID-19 restrictions. It suggested that low-risk populations should be allowed to acquire natural immunity through infection, while high-risk groups, particularly the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions, receive focused protection. This approach, the authors argued, would lead to herd immunity, reducing overall societal and economic disruptions. Questionable Origins and Ideological Underpinnings The hosts addressed the origins of the GBD, noting its association with the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian think tank. This connection raised questions about the ideological motives behind the declaration, potentially...2024-01-2135 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastAn Introduction to The Great Barrington DeclarationDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent take a deep dive into the controversial Great Barrington Declaration, a document that has stirred significant debate in the public health community. This declaration, penned by Dr. Sunita Gupta of Oxford, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford, and Dr. Martin Kulldorff of Harvard, proposes a pandemic response strategy centered on achieving herd immunity through natural infection, particularly among younger, healthier populations. The Underestimation of COVID-19 At the heart of the episode is a critical examination of how the declaration's authors may have underestimated the severity of COVID-19. The hosts reflect on early...2024-01-1440 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastThe Misguided Quest for COVID Herd ImmunityDr. Jonathan Howard, in the absence of co-host Wendy Orent, explores the misconceptions and risky propositions around achieving herd immunity through natural COVID-19 infection. He references an article by Drs. de Souza and Dowdy from Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, highlighting the true meaning of herd immunity and its relation to vaccination. Howard critiques various early claims and redefinitions of herd immunity during the pandemic, stressing the dangers of using children as 'human shields' in the quest for herd immunity. The episode underscores the importance of vaccination in preventing serious diseases like measles, mumps, polio, and chickenpox...2023-12-1024 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastPandemic Origins ExploredDr. Jonathan Howard and expert Wendy Orent explore the contentious topic of a novel virus's origins. They examine the evolution of infectious diseases and the likelihood of laboratory involvement in the virus's emergence. The discussion revolves around the complexity of virus transmissibility, the historical context of virus outbreaks, and the challenges in pinpointing the exact origins. The conversation also addresses common conspiracy theories and the importance of scientific evidence over speculation. Resources mentioned: SARS, Plague, Smallpox, and Ebola: Previous viruses that Wendy Orange has researched and written about. Biological Weapons: A focus area of W...2023-12-0332 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastSeparating Fact from Fiction in the Early DaysDr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss various aspects of the COVID-19 pandemic, including the initial underestimation of the death toll by Dr. John Ioannidis. They address misconceptions such as the belief that people were dying with COVID, not of COVID, and the skepticism surrounding COVID-19 death certificates. Dr. Howard counters these claims by highlighting the challenges faced in the early stages of the pandemic, including limited testing availability. The discussion also touches on the impact of lockdowns and the belief that they caused more harm than good. Furthermore, they challenge the notion that only el...2023-11-2647 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastCOVID-19: Myths vs. RealityIn this episode, the hosts critically examine COVID-19 misinformation, focusing on the widespread myths that persisted during the pandemic. They discuss the controversial stance of Dr. John Ioannidis and others who underestimated COVID's impact and compared its dangers to everyday activities like driving. The episode highlights the serious consequences of these misconceptions, including the false notion that COVID only severely affected the elderly with pre-existing conditions, and addresses the damaging claim that doctors contributed to fatalities through premature intubations. A list of resources mentioned: Stat News Article by Dr. John Ioannidis (March 17, 2020): An article by...2023-11-1942 minWe Want Them Infected PodcastPredictions vs. Reality: Examining Dr. Loannidis' ClaimsIn this discussion, Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the early responses to the COVID-19 pandemic and the role of Dr. John E. Loannidis, a renowned scientist. They examine his initial underestimation of the virus's impact, the flaws in his predictions, and his shifting perspectives over time. Resources Mentioned: Dr. John E. Ioannidis' early writings on COVID-19 Stat News article "A Fiasco in the Making: As the Coronavirus Pandemic Takes Hold, We Are Making Decisions Without Reliable Data" (March 17, 2020) European Journal of Clinical Investigation article "Coronavirus Disease 2019: The Harms of Exaggerated Information and...2023-11-1358 min
We Want Them Infected Podcast"The Misinformation Started Right Away..."Dr. Jonathan Howard, a neurologist and psychiatrist, and Co-Host, Wendy Orent, discuss the emergence of the anti-vaccine movement, particularly focusing on doctors who have contributed to spreading vaccine skepticism. They examine the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, the influence of certain doctors, and the alarming mainstreaming of anti-vaccine rhetoric. About the authors: Dr. Jonathan Howard is a distinguished neurologist and psychiatrist based in New York City, practicing at NYU and Bellevue Hospital. His extensive background in neurology and psychiatry has made him a well-respected figure in the medical field. Dr. Ho...2023-11-0248 min
We Want Them Infected PodcastWe Want Them Infected Podcast DebutWe Want Them Infected is a conversation that will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about medical experts and vaccine skepticism. Our podcast reveals the hidden side of the COVID-19 pandemic, where influential doctors played a troubling role in spreading misinformation and fear. We talk about why We Want Them Infected isn't just a book; it's a call to action. Subscribe to the show and learn how the anti-vaccine movement went mainstream, affecting public health and trust in science. Are you ready? About the authors:...2023-11-0101 min
Boom! We Broke It, Let's Fix It.Wendy Orent: Pandemics are now a matter of choice. We CAN prevent the next one."pandemics are not accidents... things that just happen, forces outside humanity... pandemics are something that we actually make." And so begins my discussion with Wendy Orent, author of Plague: The Mysterious Past and Terrifying Future of the World's Most Dangerous Disease and a well-known science writer with a focus on pandemics, biological weapons, and the evolution of infectious diseases. Wendy explains the history of pandemics, and the most recent COVID experience so that we can all understand it. And then tells us how we can prevent the next one in an equally understandable fashion.2022-05-231h 03
Wonders of the WorldCologne Cathedral and the Black DeathIt was the world's tallest building, 632 years after work started: an exercise in persistence. Cologne Cathedral is a Gothic masterpiece. Cologne itself is a good place to tell the story of the 13th century's great disaster: the Black Death, and the social upheaval it brought, including the pogroms that swept through the Rhineland. Willem Fromm of the History of Cologne podcast brings a local perspective to his home city, its magnificent cathedral and its 2000 years of history. And beer! And potato soup! Sources: Di Duca, Marc. Lonely Planet Germany Kelly...2021-01-1455 min
The Game Changers Podcast83: Därför drabbas vi av pandemier som Corona.I den här podden lyfter vi våra situationer i nuvarande läge med Coronaviruset. I Spanien är det förbjudet att vistas ute om man inte har hund eller ska gå till mataffären. Hur navigerar vi den nuvarande situationen på bästa sätt och är så grundade som möjligt? Under andra delen av avsnittet pratar vi om bakgrunden till pandemier, vad ligger bakom dessa utbrott?-Jenny delar om karantän livet i Spanien och Jessica delar sin situation-Ännu viktigare med morgonrutiner för att stabilisera sin energi-Var noggrann...2020-03-241h 09
The Exam Room by the Physicians CommitteeCOVID-19: A Preventable Pandemic?The COVID-19 pandemic is turning life upside down. As hundreds of thousands fall ill, billions of others are now stricken with fear and wondering whether they will be next to become infected. As life grinds to a halt worldwide the entire situation is surreal. Did it have to be this way? On this episode of The Exam Room™ podcast, “The Weight Loss Champion” Chuck Carroll is joined by Dr. Neal Barnard and Wendy Orent, author of Plague: The Mysterious Past and Terrifying Future of the World’s Most Dangerous Disease and Bio Warrior to explore the miss...2020-03-1850 min
Dentists, Implants and WormsEpisode 46: The World's Most Famous HygienistWendy has been called the world’s most famous hygienist. She is a highly productive practicing hygienist, strategic advisor, international speaker, trainer, consultant and coach. She has directly coached more than 3,718 dental practices in 12 countries around the world. She has the longest track record of doubling hygiene production. Wendy has a unique way of connecting with hygienists, they listen to one of their own! She has consulted and worked with some of the biggest and fastest growing private dental practices, as well as some of the largest DSO organizations in both the United States and Aust...2016-08-091h 02