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CATO PodcastEp 75: Exploring Traumatic Brain Injuries, PTSD and CopLine
In this episode of the CATO podcast, we connect with Stephanie Samuels, a police psychologist and founder of CopLine, a national suicide hotline for law enforcement. We'll explore Samuels' research related to first responders and traumatic brain injury (TBI). Samuels and many others believe that TBI is often misdiagnosed as PTSD, but is instead a major contributor to PTSD symptoms. She is part of a group that is researching the first responder community to better understand the effects of TBI and PTSD. CopLine is the only completely anonymous suicide hotline for police officers that is staffed by fellow law enforcement.
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To learn more about First Responder Wellness, visit the First Responder Wellness Website.
2024-05-2240 minCATO PodcastEp 73: Our Common Challenges: Reflecting on Five Years of SWAT Team Leader CoursesCATO Team Leader Instructors Kenny Brayton and Kris Jenny sit down with Marcus to reflect on lessons learned while teaching CATO's SWAT Team Leader course over the last five years. The trio discussed common challenges shared by the majority of teams, how teams address these challenges and the things that great teams do consistently well.
2024-05-081h 10CATO PodcastEp 72: Failing to Plan Is Planning to FailOne of our Founding Fathers, Benjamin Franklin, said it best, “If you fail to plan, you are planning to fail!” It's a critical element to tactical operations and we're discussing it on the latest CATO Podcast. Kris Jenny and Marcus analyze the importance of planning and how to evolve from a collaborative response to a coordinated response. They present a primer on what planning really is, what it looks like, and when and how you should document it.
2024-04-1138 minCATO PodcastEp 71: Round Table with State Tactical AssociationsCATO Vice President, Marcus Sprague, had the honor of attending a meeting with several tactical associations from all across the country. He took advantage of the opportunity and asked a few folks to discuss some of the issues we all face. The group discussed leadership, recruiting, selection processes, annual testing, keeping training fresh and engaging, and how they deal with the challenge of finding training locations.
Marcus was joined by Sheriff Eric Blankenship of the Alabama Tactical Officers Association, Lt. George Bradley and Jon Brock of the South Carolina Tactical Association, and Barry Cape, Vice President of...2024-03-271h 11CATO PodcastEp 70: Sound Doctrine Chapter 7: Strategy and Tactics, Part 2Marcus and guest-host, Kris Jenny, discuss Part 2 of Chapter 7 of Sound Doctrine: A Tactical Primer, Sid Heal's 2000 book, which has become an indispensable part of tactical training. Kris and Marcus finish their discussion on the final portion of Chapter 7 of Sound Doctrine. They review fundamental tactics such as The Hammer and Anvile, Envelopment, and the Pincer Movement.
2024-03-1328 minCATO PodcastEp 69: A proactive approach to Mental Wellness with Dr. Stephen Odom and Retired Sgt Jeff McGreevyMarcus sits down with Retired Sergeant Jeff McGreevy and the founder of First Responder Wellness, Dr. Stephen Odom. Dr. Odom and Jeff discuss their experiences serving the 1st responder community, what works with peer support programs, and a few things some organizations are doing wrong. Dr. Odom does a deep dive on setting yourself up for longevity and how we need to take a long term, preventive approach to mental health wellness.
To learn more about First Responder Wellness, visit the First Responder Wellness Website.
2024-02-281h 08CATO PodcastEp 68: Sound Doctrine Chapter 7: Strategy and Tactics, Part 1Marcus and guests Travis Norton and Kris Jenny discuss Part 1 of Chapter 7 of Sound Doctrine: A Tactical Primer, Sid Heal's 2000 book, which has become an indispensable part of tactical training. The group discusses Sid's insightful and compelling advice on strategy and tactics, as well as maneuvering in time, and how we can apply this thinking to current tactical situations.
2024-02-141h 04CATO PodcastEp 67: Common Ground: Dr. Simpson Shares Health Advice with Navy Seals and CATO
So, this episode is a little different than our usual podcast here at CATO. For anyone who has listened to our previous episodes, you know that anytime spent with retired Command Master Chief Jason Tuschen is time well spent.
We also enjoy our conversations with Dr. Graham Simpson. So, when Brent and I were asked to sit down with Dr. Simpson, Jason and retired Navy Seal William Branum, we said yes.
This is an unscripted round table where the group talks about the health and performance challenges that both of professions share and discusses what yo...2024-01-3152 minCATO PodcastEp 66: Interview with Rusty Firmin - The Man with No GlovesAt CATO we believe that history is the repository of all lessons and to ignore history is do doom yourself to repeat it. At the 2023 conference in San Diego, we asked the infamous SAS team leader Rusty “No Gloves” Firmin to debrief the lessons learned from the 1980 Iranian Embassy Siege. I asked fellow CATO board members Toby Darby and Josh Wofford to sit down with Rusty so he could share his wisdom with those who could not see him at the conference.
I spent a fair amount of time with Rusty before and during the conference and was im...2024-01-1752 minCATO PodcastEp 65: SWAT Audits, Wellness and the Glamour of being the Secretary of CATOMarcus and CATO Secretary Jon Cabrera sit down to discuss SWAT audits and some of the themes we have seen team's struggle with throughout the state. The pair also discusses what the CATO Community can do better when it comes to working on their mental health. From wellness programs to less common resources, Marcus and Jon bring their personal stories to the table in this episode of the CATO Podcast. For more information about SWAT audits or wellness programs and resources, please contact Jon directly: secretary@catotraining.org.
2024-01-0358 minCATO PodcastEp 64: Sniper Training Trends and what you need to knowMarcus asked CATO board member Jon Cabrera to sit down with fellow board member Matt Alexander and his teaching partner Frank Harper as the group discusses the common training challenges facing the training and utilization of sniper teams.
2023-12-211h 11CATO PodcastEp 63: Sound Doctrine Chapter 6: Envisioning and Achieving the End State
In this CATO Podcast, the group discusses Chapter 6 of Sid Heal's Sound Doctrine: Envisioning and Achieving the End State. This chapter is filled with examples of how you can better understand and apply the following critical concepts: Assessing the situation, developing and defining an operational end state, Concept of Operations (CONOPS), assigning missions, and issuing orders. Join us for this discussion to explore the strategy behind these fundamental tactics.
2023-09-131h 38CATO PodcastEpisode 62: Leveraging Science to Enhance Human Performance for First RespondersMarcus sits down at O2X headquarters with John Vargo to discuss how this human performance company is leveraging the latest science and technology to enhance human performance for first responders throughout the country. All too often, law enforcement programs are unevenly focused on mental well-being or physical well-being. John and the team at O2X leverage a scientific, holistic approach to address the specific issues facing tactical populations, including high rates of injury, elevated cancer and cardiac health risks, and behavioral health issues. While originally designed to meet the unique demands of tactical athletes, the science-backed methodology has been...2023-08-2354 minCATO PodcastEp 61: Interview with Bob Scales: Advice from the frontlines of RIPPA. Consent Decrees and defending police with data.Marcus, Adam Sharki, and Brent Stratton sit down with the legendary Bob Scales.
Bob Scales is a former King County Deputy Prosecutor and Special Assistant, United States Attorney for the Western District of Washington. He worked for 14 years (and three mayors) as a Public Safety Policy Advisor for the city of Seattle. Bob represented the Seattle Police Department during the 2011 DOJ pattern-or-practice investigation and served as the Compliance Coordinator under the federal consent decree. He now serves as the CEO of Police Strategies, where he and his team help law enforcement agencies throughout the country to form strategies that fight bad...2023-07-121h 10CATO PodcastEp 60: Sound Doctrine Chapter 5: Tactical Principles
For this podcast, Marcus joins CATO Board of Directors members Kris Jenny and Kenny Brayton. Kris Jenny is a Sergeant with the Napa Police Department and Kenny Brayton is a CATO instructor and Sergeant with the Ontario Police Department. Together they welcome special guest, Bobby Crees of the Pasadena Police Department. Crees, a CATO Region Representative and a graduate of the CATO Strategic Leadership Program, will join the discussion about Chapter 5 of Sound Doctrine. The group reviews each of the Tactical Principles that are present in all conflicts, and highlights what you can do to tip the scales in your favo...2023-06-281h 13CATO PodcastEp 59: The Operator’s Point of View: Supporting Large-Venue Operations
Marcus and Travis Norton co-host a conversation about the various ways we train and support large-venue operations from an operator’s point of view. They are joined by Austin who works for a major metropolitan police agency in Northern California. Austin shares his experiences as part of a full-time SWAT team and how their team's approach to supporting large-venue operations has evolved over the years.
2023-06-1447 minCATO PodcastEpisode 58: California AB742 and Constitutional Policing with Gene RamirezMarcus and attorney Gene Ramirez discuss the latest amendments to the California Police Canine Bill (Bill 742), which was placed into inactive status by the bill's author as this podcast was being recorded. This bill will most likely return during the next legislative session, so there is still work to be done. Marcus and Gene also discuss Constitutional Policing: what it is and why it is such a hot topic throughout the country.
2023-06-0242 minCATO PodcastEpisode 57: Sheep Dog to Bureaucrat with Jack EnterMarcus speaks with author and presenter, Jack Enter, about his recently published article entitled, “Sheep Dog to Bureaucrat." CATO invited Jack to return to the podcast to discuss how the structure, roles, and even the promotional process in law enforcement, can turn "WE" leaders into "ME" leaders. Recognizing how it happens may prevent you from becoming a "me-focused" bureaucrat as you rise through the ranks.
Jack began his career as a law enforcement officer in 1972. Since that time, he has worked as a street officer, detective, vice/narcotics investigator, manager and as the administrator of a law enf...2023-05-1743 minCATO PodcastEpisode 56: Sound Doctrine Chapter 4: The Structure of Command and ControlIn this episode of the CATO Podcast, Marcus sits down with CATO President and co-host, Brent Stratton, and frequent CATO guest, Travis Norton, to discuss why we need to formalize the structure that supports Command and Control, some lessons learned, and what you can do today to reduce friction in your command post. The group discusses the importance of building trust throughout the chain of command, and why you need to support the formation of Emerging Organizational Networks.
2023-04-271h 09CATO PodcastEpisode 55: Critical Incident Review with Medal of Honor Recipient, Earl Plumlee
Learn from the Best: Medal of Honor Recipient Master Sergeant Earl Plumlee
CATO joins forces with tactical expert and host of The Debrief, Jon Becker, as he sits down with Medal of Honor recipient Master Sergeant Earl Plumlee. This podcast features the most exciting excerpts from Brent and Jon's interviews with Master Sergeant Plumlee. Earl is an amazing storyteller and he shares the harrowing events of that fateful day in August, 2013 when he earned the Medal of Honor--with both humility and humor. These important conversations reveal a great deal about tactical lessons learned and highlight the importance of training and i...2023-04-121h 45CATO PodcastEpisode 54: Training: What Can You Do Today to Make It Relevant and Impactful
Kenny Brayton and Marcus sit down with Captain Dustin Kulling to discuss the key components required to design effective training. Learn how to apply the Theory of Constructed Emotion to police decision-making training and how action competency facilities and wellness training enhance the regulation of the stress response.
Captain Kulling is a 28-year law enforcement veteran who has spent much of his adult life studying how we learn. He is a California POST Master's Instructor, has earned a Masters of Education degree, and is currently working on his Ph.D. in Communication. He spent the majority of his career in nar...2023-03-291h 08CATO PodcastEpisode 53: Episode Sound Doctrine- Chapter 3 Nature of CommandingThis episode of the podcast discusses Chapter Three of Sound Doctrine. Marcus and guests Travis Norton and Adam Sharki discuss Command and Control, the challenges of selecting a commander, and what it means to command effectively. 2023-03-1540 minCATO PodcastEpisode 52: Attorney Gene Ramirez-Will law enforcement lose bite dogs in CaliforniaAttorney Gene Ramirez was a founding member of CATO and has spent the last several decades defending law enforcement officers in civil court. Gene discusses California Assembly Bill 742, which bans law enforcement's use of bite dogs. Gene also discusses his lessons learned from defending officers and how we arrived at a push by the legislature to ban police bite dogs. For more information on AB742, click here https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB742. Gene Ramirez can be contacted at epr@manningllp.com2023-03-0243 minCATO PodcastEpisode 51: Challenges of Collateral Hostage Negotiations TeamMarcus sits down with Nolan Cleall, who has served on a mid-sized Northern California agency's HNT Team for the last ten years. The two discuss his experiences on a collateral Hostage Negotiation Team. They review common approaches to training SWAT/HNT integration and cover some tools you can implement today to develop a comprehensive approach to solving tactical problems. Nolan is also a whiskey aficionado and has some surprising things to say about peanut butter whiskey. Nolan can be reached at ncleall@sbcglobal.net
2023-02-151h 16CATO PodcastEpisode 50: Novelty- What you need to know before you face it
Lt Travis Norton and Lt Adam Sharki join Marcus to discuss the concept of "novelty." What does it mean? Why does it make us all amateurs? They'll cover strategies you can use today to enhance your response to these "novel" and critical events.
2023-02-0152 minCATO PodcastEpisode 49: Taking Care of Your TeamCATO President Brent Stratton sits down with Nick Sprague, the President of the Rocky Mountain Tactical Team Association (RMTTA). The two discuss how to take care of your team, both professionally and personally. They also cover the importance of debriefs--even when they hurt--and the similarities and differences between CATO and RMTTA. Finally, they explore Brent's obsession with Peanut Butter Whiskey...we try not to judge.
2023-01-1839 minCATO PodcastEpisode 48: Optimizing your health- a conversation with Dr. Graham SimpsonIn this episode, Brent and I sit down with retired Navy Seal Command Master Chief Jason Tuschen and world-renowned author, Dr. Graham Simpson, who is the medical director for Opt Health.
Military and first responders share many similar health problems during and after their service. I asked Jason and Dr. Simpson to explore the common health issues found in our communities and how we should be addressing them.
In the past, we’ve discussed how our body keeps score, so think of this episode as a continuation of that conversation. Are we doing the best for...2022-11-231h 06CATO PodcastEpisode 47: Unified Command lessons during mass casualty events with Jim EtzinMarcus Sprague and Kris Jenny sit down with Fire Training Division Manager Jim Etzin. Jim has been involved with the tactical community since serving as a corpsman in Desert Storm and as a combat medicine instructor for the 1st Marine Division. Jim attended LASD SEB SWAT school and has dedicated his life to enhancing our response to large events. He is also the founder of the North American Active Assailant Conference (NAAAC). Jim's unique blend of education and experience has also led him to develop a High Risk Unified Command class that discusses lessons learned from real life events, as well a...2022-10-271h 09CATO PodcastEpisode 46: Shifting the paradigm of ropes training with Dana VilanderIs your ropes program ascending to meet the needs of contemporary tactical problems? Marcus Sprague sits down with a longtime friend of CATO, Dana Vilander. Dana has partnered with CATO in presenting Tactical Rope Access courses and has decades of experience in the tactical community as an operator and medic. They discuss Dana's unique background and how he blended his tactical experiences with his medical training and rescue work to form VTC training.
2022-09-2839 minCATO PodcastEpisode 45: Echelon Front’s Codey GandeyKevin Cyr (RCMP SWAT) joins Marcus with Echelon Front's Codey Gandey. Codey is part of the Echelon Front staff and is the lead for their First Responder Training program. Codey has worked with a variety of agencies and has personally worked with Kevin's full-time swat team in British Columbia. The group discusses common challenges agencies face and how Echelon can help your team succeed.
2022-08-3159 minCATO PodcastEpisode 44: From Atlanta to the Middle East, A conversation with Randy WagnerMarcus sits down with the Deputy Director of the Northern California Regional Intelligence Center to discuss the importance of fusion centers. Randy started his career as a patrol officer in Atlanta Georgia. However, he spent the majority of his career working for the Drug Enforcement Agency. His final assignment with the DEA was as the Regional Director of the Middle East. After a brief stint in the private sector he became the Deputy Director of NICRIC. Randy shares his lessons learned and his perspective spans from patrol to the Middle East and how what officers do can impact LE efforts a...2022-07-281h 10CATO PodcastEpisode 43: What’s Wrong With Our Active Shooter Response?Marcus Sprague, Kris Jenny, Travis Norton and our guest, Kevin Cyr, discuss active shooter training and response and some of the lessons of the past that we have yet to learn. While the nation mourns the tragedy in Uvalde, it would behoove us to discuss what we can do now to better prepare ourselves, our teams and our communities. This discussion is not intended to specifically address Uvalde, as we believe that would be premature.
Kevin Cyr is a SWAT Commander for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in the greater Vancouver metropolitan area. He has over 21 years of experience in la...2022-06-221h 27CATO PodcastEpisode 42: Jon Becker and ’The Debrief.’ A New Video Podcast with Leaders in Law EnforcementBrent and Marcus sit down with Jon to discuss his relationship with CATO and how he has crossed paths with several pioneers of the tactical community. Jon's unique background has given him the opportunity to receive thousands of hours of tactical training as a civilian and work with a variety of tactical teams throughout law enforcement and the military. Jon uses his experiences to blend a unique outside perspective into the debrief, one which leverages a passion for the tactical community combined with an insider's access and knowledge. https://thedebrief.live/
2022-06-011h 05CATO PodcastEpisode 41: Honor Hike Foundation And Why We Should Support This Noble CauseIn this episode, Brent and Marcus talk with the founding members of the Honor Hike Foundation. Each year members of this organization hike one mile for every fallen Law Enforcement Officer from around the country, creating a moving memorial. The foundation also supports the officers' families and their agencies. The Honor Hike Foundation was created by a group of active and reserve law enforcement officers and during the hike the participant carries only the gear they need to survive, a Thin Blue Line American Flag, and dog tags made in honor of each fallen officer. This year several CATO...2022-05-1319 minCATO PodcastEpisode 40: Swans, Rhinos, and Gordon GrahamFor this exciting podcast, Marcus is joined by CATO board member and training cadre member, Sergeant Kristofer Jenny, and Travis Norton, a southern California lieutenant. The three sit down with the infamous Gordon Graham to discuss Black Swans, Gray Rhinos, and what you can do now to impact your team, your agency, and our profession. Graham, a 33-year veteran of law enforcement and the co-founder of Lexipol, is also a risk management expert and a practicing attorney. He packs the conversation with real takeaways you can use today to improve your decision-making and avoid the next Gray Rhino!
2022-03-181h 20CATO PodcastEpisode 39 - Sound Doctrine Chapter 2: Crisis and ConflictIn this episode of the CATO podcast, Brent and Marcus sit down with CATO's Demonstration Response Chair, Adam Sharki, and CATO Training Cadre member, Kris Jenny, to discuss Chapter 2 of the Sound Doctrine, Crisis and Conflict. The group discusses the definition of a crisis, the five characteristics present in all crises and why you should be able to explain them to those you serve with, your superiors, and potentially a jury. The group also discusses how to apply these principles in day-to-day operations.
2022-02-181h 05CATO PodcastEpisode 38 - Blast Analytics and Your BrainNeuroscientist Dr. James Engall, co-founder and President of Blast Analytics and Mitigation Inc., sits down with Brent and me to discuss the results of BAam360's research and mitigation with the Navy Seals, how they are bringing about awareness and mitigation strategies related to blast exposure in the military, and why it led them to develop Operations Blue Shield where they leverage their knowledge to help the law enforcement community.
There are a lot of layers to these issues, and the circles these folks travel in continue to overlap with CATO. We can foresee this becoming a...2022-02-0459 minCATO PodcastEpisode 37 - AB481 Military Equipment Legislation for CaliforniaMarcus and Brent sit down with a panel of experts to discuss California Assembly AB481, affectionately known as the Military Equipment Bill. Panel members have spoken with the folks from Lexipol as well as other attorneys and experts throughout the state and come together to discuss the major components of the law, including some of the poorly written and unclear portions. The group also offers suggestions on the intent of the law and what you can do to ensure you and your agency remain in compliance. While this group does represent a variety of experience and expertise, and they...2022-01-141h 23CATO PodcastEpisode 36 - An Introduction to the Book ’Sound Doctrine’ and Why You Need to Read this Book and What It Can Do For YouBrent Stratton, Marcus Sprage and Adam Sharki discuss Sid Heal's book, 'Sound Doctrine'. They discuss what they like about the book and why they feel it should be the cornerstone for the foundation of tactical learning. This will be the first of several episodes that break down 'Sound Doctrine' and how you can apply it to resolve today's tactical problems.
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Comparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 68: The Brood and The Devil's BackboneSanta brought it early. Or a month and a half late. Leave the guy alone, he's got a lot on his plate. And that's how this one starts. Bob and Mike immerse themselves in a discussion of which horror...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-12-2300 minCATO PodcastEpisode 35 - Is your demonstration response and use of force policies and practices in compliance with AB 48? Here’s what you need to know nowMarcus is joined by CATO SWAT Team Leader Cadre members Kenny Brayton and Kris Jenny, CATO's After Action Review Chair Travis Norton, and CATO's Demonstration Response Chair Adam Sharki for a panel discussion on the component parts of California Assembly Bill 48 and what you need to know to ensure that your demonstration response and use of force is within policy. We'll discuss what you can do to make sure your demonstration response program's training, documentation, and deployments are consistent with this new law.
2021-12-1048 minCATO PodcastEpisode 34 - A Shotgun Conversation with Sgt. Tom Datro, Host of the Policing in America PodcastMarcus sits down with Sergeant Tom Datro, host of the POLICING IN AMERICA podcast. Sergeant Datro works for one of the largest police departments on the West Coast and created his podcast to address difficult challenges facing law enforcement today. In this episode of the CATO podcast, Marcus and Tom discuss a variety of topics such as de-escalation, leadership, culture, the importance of empathy throughout the organization, and several other challenges facing our profession. Learn more about Tom's podcasts at policinginamerica.com2021-11-261h 18Comparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 67: Priest and Priest: A Love StoryThat's the kicker, as they say, there was nothing even in the hamper. Oh, hey! It's a new episode of the pod. Liz and Mike tackle some media with the same title and really flex that explicit rating...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-10-2200 minCATO PodcastEpisode 33 - When Your Training Doesn‘t Prepare You for the FightJeff Felts, from Center Mass, is our guest on the latest episode of the CATO Podcast with Marcus Sprague and Kris Jenny, CATO Training Cadre member. As a young sniper, Jeff found himself well trained, but poorly prepared for a very dynamic hostage situation. This setback sent him on a journey to improve his training and resulted in the formation of Center Mass, the National Patrol Rifle Conference and Championship, and the patrol rifle utilization survey. Each year, participants from around the country compete in a variety of patrol rifle scenarios taken from the streets of America.
J...2021-10-1546 minCATO PodcastEpisode 32 - The Body Keeps the Score with Dr. Bessel van der KolkWe don't often talk about one of the greatest threats facing our profession. This adversary is hard to name, difficult to identify, and is rarely talked about openly, yet each year it kills more and more dedicated men and women in law enforcement and the military. We all agree these professions leave a mark when you're done. For some, this mark can cost them their happiness, family, and even their life. In an effort to find the best information and tools to address this adversary, we reached out to Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, a pioneer in the field...2021-10-0134 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 66: Live Nassau Coliseum '76 and Graduation Day 1966: Live at the University of MichiganThey were out of printer ink. It took me by surprise, and they shrugged it off. Supply chains, amiright?
Dan and Mike get in there to discuss live albums. An exploration ensues that is good. And at...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-09-1900 minCATO PodcastEpisode 31 - Lessons Learned from the 9/11 attacks on the PentagonMarcus and Brent sit down with retired Alexandria Virginia Captain Tom Panther. Captain Panther, a former SWAT Operator and Commander, was one of the men charged with coordinating the response to the Pentagon attack on 09/11/01. While we hope to never repeat the experiences of 9/11 and the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, there are a lot of lessons to be learned. Panther shares his story and lessons learned from a law enforcement perspective. While he is retired now, the event had a profound impact on his personal and professional life. It also solidified his commitment to a...2021-09-171h 08CATO PodcastEpisode 30 - Leadership Lessons with Chief Chris HsiungIn this podcast episode, Marcus and Brent sit down with Chief Chris Hsiung to discuss lessons in leadership. Hsiung is the Police Chief of the Mountain View Police Department, located in the heart of Silicon Valley CA, and is an internationally recognized speaker and author on the topics of digital strategy, crisis communications, and leadership. In his time with Mountain View PD, Chief Hsiung has held a variety of investigative, tactical, and leadership roles, serving in every division in the organization. He spent 13 years on the Mountain View PD Regional SWAT Team, serving as an assault member, sniper, rappel...2021-09-0339 minCATO PodcastEpisode 29 - Drones, Ghosts, and the Edge of ChaosMarcus and Kris Jenny sit down with Kris Allshouse, Executive Director of the Los Angeles Regional Training Center, to discuss the current state of drones in law enforcement, what future drone technology may look like in the near future, and their must-attend class 'The Edge of Chaos.' Kris also discusses several essential courses available at LARTC.
Kris Allshouse is a retired Detective Supervisor and POST Master Instructor. He has designed and taught over 70 courses for CA Law Enforcement including the POST ICI Officer Involved Shooting, Homicide, Burglary, Vehicle Theft, and Identity Theft Investigative Courses. Kris was...2021-08-2051 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 65: The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover and Punch-Drunk LoveThe basement was full of the things. Lots of clicking. And here we are with a new episode. Bob and Mike discuss 2 of the movies that belong to the new cult canon. Enjoy!
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Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-08-1600 minCATO PodcastEpisode 28 - AB 392 and its Effect on Hostage EventsMarcus sits down with Matt Alexander, Kris Jenny, and Travis Norton to discuss the effects of California AB3 92 on managing hostage rescue operations, as well as its impact on the priority of life and things you should consider in training, deploying, and documenting uses of force.
Matt Alexander is a Lieutenant at a Central California agency. He is a CATO Instructor for the SWAT Team Leader and SWAT Commander courses, a CATO Regional Training Rep, and he also teaches for his own company, Advanced Combat Evolutions. Travis Norton is a Lieutenant in a Southern California agency. He i...2021-08-0632 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 64: Hunger and The Great EscapeAnd boy, are my arms tired. I don't get it, but that's the punchline. Welcome! Jeremy and Mike serve up some gravitas this episode...well, they watch prison movies with Steve McQueen, and there's a...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-07-1500 minCATO PodcastEpisode 27-Command and Control Part 2 (Practical Application)Marcus continues the conversation about Command and Control with Travis Norton and Kris Jenny. They discuss practical action items you can do now to reduce the friction inherent at all levels during tactical operations. Travis Norton is a Lieutenant in a Southern California agency. He is a CATO SLP 1 (Strategic Leadership Program) graduate, leads the CATO After Action Team, and teaches a variety of classes for the NTOA. Kristofer Jenny is a Sergeant at a Northern California police agency and is part of the CATO Team Leader Teaching Cadre. He is a CATO SLP 2 graduate and was instrumental in c...2021-07-0939 minCATO PodcastEpisode 26 - Command and ControlMarcus and Brent sit down with Ted King to discuss balancing command and control with independent decision-making through a variety of perspectives. Ted is a Lieutenant with the Bakersfield Police Department and a co-founder and managing member of Alpha Safety Solutions, a company that works with organizations and safety professionals to develop comprehensive emergency management plans based on FEMA recommendations. Ted has over 20 years of combined military and law enforcement experience, including SWAT, complex investigations, counter-terrorism, physical security, and vulnerability assessments. He earned a master's degree in emergency management and is a terrorism liaison officer program coordinator for a...2021-06-2553 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 63: Rhinestone and Romancing the StoneI cleaned it up, but we're really going to need to get that scrubber in there. Oh, here's another quality episode. Megan and Mike experience both wonder and terror as they wallow in 2 films about odd...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-06-1500 minCATO PodcastEpisode 25 - Workers Comp Injuries- What You Don’t Know Can Cost You Your CareerMarcus Sprague discusses workers' compensation issues with Nick Hitch and Laura Rosenthal. They detail what you can do before, during, and after a work-related injury. Nick is a medically retired police officer from Northern California who was forced to retire after his injury was mismanaged by his agency, their insurance provider, and some of the medical folks charged with his care. Laura is a workers compensation attorney who represents first responders to ensure they get the best treatment possible, and if they can't return to work they are treated fairly by their agency and the insurer.
2021-06-0458 minCATO PodcastEpisode 24 - Strategies for Managing Demonstration ResponseKris Jenny and Marcus Sprague sit down with Andrew, who works for a large Southern California law enforcement agency and has managed a variety of First Amendment activities. Andrew recently taught a Demonstration Response Class for CATO and we thought it would be a good time to sit down and discuss some of the key components in analyzing and developing a response to demonstrations, protests, and riots.
2021-05-2151 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 62: Weekend at Bernie's II and Staying AliveThe dog brought it in. It wasn't moving or anything when he brought it in. Oh, hey there. Dan and Mike indulge in the mental Olympics of deciding which movie sequel is better. Some quality...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-05-1500 minCATO PodcastEpisode 23 - Lessons Learned from Years of Practicing Leadership with Chief Phil Hansen
Chief Hansen is that rare leader you can’t help but want to work for when you meet him. His combination of humility, humor, and sage wisdom not only provide lessons we can all learn from but they set the standard for what today’s leaders should embody. He has dedicated his life to the thoughtful study of leadership and serving others, and in this podcast episode he sits down with Brent and Marcus to discuss the lessons he learned over the course of his 40+ years in law enforcement.
2021-05-071h 15CATO PodcastEpisode 22 - The Tactical Athlete and Quiet Professional with Rob Shaul from Mountain Tactical AthleteOur latest podcast episode, The Tactical Athlete and Quiet Professional with Rob Shaul from Mountain Tactical Athlete, is now available.
In this episode, Marcus Sprague sits down with Rob Shaul, founder and president of the Mountain Tactical Institute, to discuss how Rob and his team design mission-directed fitness programs to assist tactical athletes. We talk about common pitfalls in today’s law enforcement fitness programs and some strategies you can employ today to fix them and improve your mission readiness.
We also delve into the keys to becoming a quiet professional, legal challenges to high jeo...2021-04-2350 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 61: Weekend at Bernie's and Lady in the WaterHe didn't give me a receipt. Well, I didn't think I would need to return it. It's certainly too late, now. Hey there! Welcome to year 6 of the pod! Bob and Mike experience 2 films with twists in...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-04-1500 minCATO PodcastEpisode 21 - Promoting up the Ranks with Andy BorrelloIn this episode, Marcus sits down with Police Promotion Expert Andy Borrello. Andy has helped thousands of law enforcement professionals improve their performance during the oral board process. They discuss what executives are looking for, some of the common pitfalls to avoid, and some key things you can do to separate yourself from other candidates. Stay tuned to the end of the episode for a generous offer for CATO podcast listeners. We hope you enjoy the show.
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2021-03-1951 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 60: Rollerball and KingpinIt made a kind of divot in the lawn. I can't tell, but it was really warm when I touched it. Oh, hey there! Dan and Mike celebrate 60 episodes by watching sports movies. Big sports energy in this...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-03-1600 minCATO PodcastEpisode 20 - Building a Culture of LeadershipDeputy Chief Jessica Nowaski discusses an intentional approach to building a culture of leadership and how making quick decisions can make us great emergency managers but can work against us when developing a culture of leadership. She discusses some key things you can do right now to improve morale, listen more effectively and improve the culture of your unit, team or organization.
2021-03-0552 minCATO PodcastEpisode 19 - Running 4 Heroes with Zechariah CartledgeMarcus interviews Zechariah Cartledge, a young man who started his own non-profit, Running 4 Heroes, to raise awareness and funds for first responders who have fallen in the line of duty. But don't take our word for it, listen to this podcast episode where Zechariah explains why he runs a mile for every first responder lost throughout our nation. To learn more about Running 4 Heroes, check out their website running4heroes.org. Please spread the word about their great work and consider supporting this worthy cause.
2021-02-1931 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 59: Get Carter and The BlobWho knows? It just started making this weird noise. Any way, this is a fine episode, where Bob and Mike take on movie remakes. 4 movies are discussed and they decide which ones make the cut. I hope...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-02-1500 minCATO PodcastEpisode 18 - Police Sniper Response to a Public VenueCATO Training Cadre member Kris Jenny joins Marcus as they interview Tacflow Academy Instructor Mark Lang. Mark has an extensive amount of experience as a law-enforcement sniper and has trained thousands of snipers throughout the country. We discuss sniper response to public venues, aerial platform operations, and lessons Mark has learned from teaching throughout the country and serving as the sniper chair for the NTOA. You can learn more about Tacflow Academy at tacflow.com.
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2021-02-0551 minCATO PodcastEpisode 17 - A Conversation with Johnny Walker and Jason Tuschen (Part 2)Brent and Marcus sit down with retired Navy Seal Command Master Chief Jason Tuschen, and one of the Navy SEALs most sought-after interpreters, Johnny Walker, to talk about their experiences with team building, leadership, brotherhood, and trusting one another during times of extreme duress in combat. Jason's exemplary 27-year career in the military included serving with SEAL Team THREE, Seal Team SEVEN, the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, leading the First Phase at BUD/S, and culminated at the Naval Special Warfare Group ONE where, as Command Master Chief, he was responsible for executing National Security Strategy in the...2021-01-2231 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 58: The Long Good Friday and Agnes and the HitmanThere's like wet footprints all over the place. I don't know. I'll just get a towel. Take a seat. You can listen to Liz and Mike discuss media with the mafia in it this month. It's good.
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Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2021-01-1500 minCATO PodcastEpisode 16 - A Conversation with Johnny Walker and Jason Tuschen (Part 1)Brent and Marcus sit down with retired Navy Seal Command Master Chief Jason Tuschen, and one of the Navy SEALs most sought-after interpreters, Johnny Walker, to talk about their experiences with team building, leadership, brotherhood, and trusting one another during times of extreme duress in combat. Jason's exemplary 27-year career in the military included serving with SEAL Team THREE, Seal Team SEVEN, the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, leading the First Phase at BUD/S, and culminated at the Naval Special Warfare Group ONE where, as Command Master Chief, he was responsible for executing National Security Strategy in the...2021-01-0941 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 57: Fear Inoculum and Green NaugahydeYou know the definition of an ear worm? That song you can't help but get stuck in your head? This episode isn't really like that. It's more of something you hear once, nod along with, and then feel...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-12-1600 minCATO PodcastEpisode 15 - Active Shooter Roundtable Discussion
In this episode, Marcus sits down with Travis, John, and Nick to discuss their lessons learned from responding to a variety of active shooter/killer incidents. They discuss the principles at play during an event as well as things we can do now to prepare decision-makers and the troop to better respond to mass casualty incidents.
2020-12-111h 02CATO PodcastEpisode 14 - Leading Up with Brent And Marcus
In this episode, Bent and Marcus try a little something different. One of the more popular questions throughout the state from new Team Leaders and Watch Commanders is how to take newfound information back to their teams and lead up and down the chain of command. This is such a prevalent issue throughout our profession that Brent passes out a pdf of the chapter in Extreme Ownership to new leaders at his department. Noted author and previous podcast guest Jack Enter also address this issue in his book. So today Brent and I discuss leading up and down the cha...2020-11-2739 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 56: Ready Player One and InfernoYou know that feeling when you walk through a cloud of mosquitoes and it's like they're in your teeth and in your hair the rest of the day? Well, this episode is the polar opposite of that feeling....
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-11-1800 minCATO PodcastEpisode 13 - Challenging the Law Enforcement Organization with Jack EnterOur newest podcast episode is a conversation with Jack Enter, author of 'Challenging the Law Enforcement Organization: Proactive Leadership Strategies.' We discuss what you need to know about inherent leadership problems in law enforcement and how you can fix it or navigate through it.
Jack Enter started his law enforcement career 48 years ago when he worked as a street police officer, detective, vice/narcotics investigator, and an administrator of a law enforcement agency. He was also one of the research associates assigned to planning the security component of the 1996 Summer Olympic Games. Since obtaining his Ph...2020-11-1359 minCATO PodcastEpisode 12 - Envisioning the End State with John StanleyJohn Stanley served with the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department for 32 years. During his career, he taught non-lethal weapons, squad and riot control tactics, served as a member of TASER International’s (now Axon) correctional board of instructors, as a Senior Master Instructor, and lead instructor for the LASD Custody Incident Command School. Stanley is also an award-winning historian, authoring over 80 articles on law enforcement tactics and history, 530 biographical sketches on the peace officers who gave their lives in the line of duty serving the people of Los Angeles County, one novel, and a regular column called ‘From the Archiv...2020-10-3043 minCATO PodcastEpisode 11 - Concepts of Non Lethal Force with Sid Heal Part 2 of 2Sponsored by National Training Concepts
In this episode, Marcus Sprague of CATO sits down with a legend in law enforcement, Sid Heal, to discuss his new book Concepts of Nonlethal Force. With decades of experience in the military and law enforcement, Sid is a bit of a mad scientist and has authored several outstanding books, most notably Field Command and Sound Doctrine. He is one of the three founders of Field Command - the creators of Tactical Science - a 40 hr class that distills the principles of conflict management taught at war college into meaningful an...2020-10-1847 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 55: 1776 and 17776: What football will look like in the futureAs the leaves change, our thoughts turn to comparing two pieces of media with 7s in their titles and also years as titles. Also in this episode, Jeremy and Mike taste some seasonal treats in a...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-10-1600 minCATO PodcastEpisode 10 - Concepts of Non Lethal Force with Sid Heal Part 1 of 2In this episode, Marcus Sprague of CATO sits down with a legend in law enforcement, Sid Heal, to discuss his new book Concepts of Nonlethal Force. With decades of experience in the military and law enforcement, Sid is a bit of a mad scientist and has authored several outstanding books, most notably Field Command and Sound Doctrine. He is one of the three founders of Field Command - the creators of Tactical Science - a 40 hr class that distills the principles of conflict management taught at war college into meaningful and practical applications for law enforcement. Sid is also...2020-10-031h 13CATO PodcastEpisode 009 - Culture Centric Leadership-Jon BeckerHow culture is a force multiplier for your tactical team and organizations.
Brent and Marcus from CATO interview Aardvark CEO Jon Becker. Jon is part philosopher, part warrior, and fully committed to excellence in his personal and professional life. He has presented his philosophy on leadership to CATO's Strategic Leadership Program and at our annual CATO Conference, and written articles on it for CATO's magazine and other publications. In this podcast, Jon discusses lessons learned from tactical legends that he applies to his business model. Specifically, what people look for in a leader, how to create the...2020-09-181h 05Comparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 54: The Last Emperor and Rambo: Last BloodDid you hear that? Nevermind, it was probably nothing. Hey, while you're here, this is a new episode. Bob and Mike take their sweet time to discuss and wallow in movies with last in their title....
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-09-1600 minCATO PodcastEpisode 8 - Finding Hope in History - Mike WoodBrent and Marcus sit down with Mike Wood and discuss how history can provide understanding and hope for the challenges that law enforcement faces today. They discuss the similarities and differences between the current protests throughout our nation and those of the late 1960s. Mike is part warrior, historian, author, and philosopher. His historical perspective can provide context and hope for those of us on the line during these tumultuous times.
Mike Wood is the son of a 30-year California Highway Patrolman and the author of Newhall Shooting: A Tactical Analysis, the highly-acclaimed study of the 1970 California H...2020-09-0457 minCATO PodcastEpisode 7-RK Miller Part 2 Why yo need a Team AuditPart 2 of 2: SWAT legend and CATO plank holder RK Miller discusses the importance of independent tactical team audits, what they are and why you should be doing them. RK has been training SWAT officers for over forty years, has conducted a variety of audits, and testifies as an expert defending teams throughout the nation. He is true gentlemen, and some say he conducted the AAR when Moses conducted rural operations and waterborne exercises at the Red Sea.
2020-08-2250 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 53: The Brainy Bartender and Road HouseAre you ready for another episode? Here’s one if you are. Liz and Mike think long and hard about media about bars. They talk it out, and you’ll probably like it. Listen here Show notes- Pain Don’t...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-08-1500 minCATO PodcastEpisode 6-Chris Thorp of Operation Enduring Warrior Task Force SentinelMarcus and Mitch sit down with Chris Thorp from Operation Enduring Warrior, Task Force Sentinel. In his former life Chris worked as a medical first responder and spent the majority of his life working as a deputy in the jail. Chris saw a lot of emotionally and physically wounded members of law enforcement not getting what they needed. In this episode we discuss how and why Chris dedicated his life to serving the law enforcement community and how Operation Enduring Warrior serves wounded military and law enforcement veterans. Chris's message is more important today and ever. For more information on Opera...2020-07-3137 minCATO PodcastEpisode 5-RK Miller Part 1 A foundational member of CATOPart 1 of 2: SWAT legend and CATO plank holder RK Miller discusses the importance of independent tactical team audits, what they are and why you should be doing them. RK has been training SWAT officers for over forty years, has conducted a variety of audits, and testifies as an expert defending teams throughout the nation. He is true gentlemen, and some say he conducted the AAR when Moses conducted rural operations and waterborne exercises at the Red Sea.
2020-07-1710 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 52: Following and SlackerAnd here's a new episode! Sorry, again, for the somewhat less than stellar sound quality, but the content? Well, it's pretty good. Dan and Mike work out the deets when it comes to figuring out which...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-07-1500 minCATO PodcastEpisode 4-Mitch Brouillette on Integrating the community in your Active Shooter Response PlanMitch Brouillette is a Sergeant in Northern California with extensive experience working with schools as a resource officer. In this episode, he will discuss a comprehensive approach to creating and implementing an active shooter program in your community. Mitch will walk us through the steps needed to create a program that meets the needs of students, law enforcement, educators, and parents.
2020-07-0627 minCATO PodcastEpisode 3 - Make it to the Next Meal with Alex WestAlex West, a former Navy Seal, sits down with Mitch Brouillette and Toby Darby to discuss a variety of topics and how the lessons he learned serving in the Navy can translate to law enforcement. He also talks about the importance of “Making it to your next meal.” This is a great conversation that demonstrates Alex’s breadth of knowledge and humility with a practical application you can implement today.
2020-06-1921 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 51: The Notebook and Minnie and MoskowitzAnother month in quarantine? How about another episode to get you through some chores? Jeremy and Mike discuss 2 movies from a father-son-actor-turned-director-duo in a slight nod to Father’s Day....
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-06-1500 minCATO PodcastEpisode 2-Lessons Learned from the History of Mass Casualty Response with Travis NortonOceanside California Lieutenant Travis Norton sits down with Brent Stratton and Marcus Sprague to discuss the common problems we all face during adversarial-based mass casualty incidents, and what we need to learn before it comes to our town. Travis recently completed his Master’s thesis on this topic, and he also teaches for the NTOA throughout the country and shares his experiences traveling throughout the world for the CATO After Action Review project. In this episode, Travis will also debunk some training myths and stresses the importance of principle-based decision-making based upon lessons learned from real-life events.
2020-06-0553 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 50: Pride and Prejudice and The Sound of MusicHappy Belated Mother's Day to all those moms out there, doing their thing in quarantine. Arthur and Mike get down to brass tacks as they try and figure out which of their moms' favorite movies is...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-05-1500 min
CATO PodcastEpisode 1-Leadership lessons learned from a dual career at LAPD and the USMC with Tim AndersonOur guest is retired USMC Colonel and LAPD Sergeant Tim Anderson. The idea of an interview with Tim quickly grew into this podcast, so it is only fitting that our first released episode contains an interview with Tim about a key component of his success as a leader in the military and law enforcement. This episode discusses the importance of placing people in the right positions and how we, as leaders, often injure our own when it was us who put the square peg in a round hole.
2020-04-2223 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 49: Sam Cooke and Eddie CochranHail and good health to you! Year 5 of the podcast is starting off less than stellar. Hope you and yours are doing well in this unsure time. Take a break with Dan and Mike as they chat care-freely...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-04-1500 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 48: Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance and JoeThat's right it's a crossover, it's a feed drop, it's a DOYGT. Bob (friend of the show and host of Uncaged on Cage) and Mike sit down with 2 Nic Cage movies, and they really put in the time to decide...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-03-1500 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 47: A Very Merry Toy Store and A Valentine CarolHey there, it's cold outside. So warm yourself up with this episode where Meg and Mike spend some time determining which made-for-tv holiday movie was better. Full spoilers for 2 movies you probably...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-02-1500 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 46: Flo Rida's "Only One Flo (Part 1)" and Nick Drake's "Pink Moon"New Year, who dis? Dan and Mike check in with a in-depth chit chat about which album under 30 minutes is better. If you haven't already made listening to this podcast one of your resolutions, go...
Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2020-01-1500 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 45: Child's Play and CobraThis episode was delayed due to inclement weather (you know how it is). But stoke up the fire, and warm up as Bob and Mike decide which movie under 90 minutes is better. Enjoy!
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Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2019-12-1600 minComparing Apples to OrangesEpisode 44: Billie Eilish's WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? and Tyler the Creator's IgorIt's episode 44, yes we can! Well, Dave and Mike tried to. They sat down to chat about 2 top albums of 2019 and which one was better. Listen here.
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Comparing Apples to Oranges is a podcast that tackles trivial topics with some serious research and debate. Check in once a month for a lively conversation around two things from the same category that don't belong in the same genre. This is where you can find all the episodes.2019-11-1500 min