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Detroit is DifferentFrom Beads to Bronze: Konstance Patton’s Detroit‑Born Legacy“I didn’t think if I stayed, I’d be alive’—that electrifying moment, when Konstance Patton revealed how everything changed the moment she stepped out of Detroit, sets the tone for this compelling episode. In a deeply resonant conversation with Khary Frazier, Patton weaves together the threads of her Black Detroit legacy—from ancestral roots in the Carolinas, Virginia, and New Orleans to intergenerational artistry that stretches back to her grandmother’s kiln in Brightmoor and massive bead‑worked Last Supper in a Petoskey museum. She reflects on formative childhood memories riding a bike past seven‑mile gravesites, the comfort of her g...2025-06-251h 05
The IFundWomen ShowMicrodosing Made Me Do It: I’m Hiring a COOAre you wearing too many hats in your business? Do you feel like you have to run point on every project? Is your team feeling unsupported and disorganized? It’s time to find an Operations expert, friend.
On this episode of The IFundWomen Show Podcast, Karen Cahn talks to Konstance Patton, founder of Soho Renaissance Factory, about how a microdose of psychedelics gave her the inspiration to start her art empire. Now that The Soho Renaissance Factory is running at a high rate of revenue, Konstance needs to ramp up her operational expertise on the tea...2022-02-0936 min
Riverwise PodcastThe Revolutionary Potential of Paint: A Conversation with Street Artist Konstance PattonEpisode Notes
Episode Description: As a Black, Indigenous woman raised in and around Detroit, artist Konstance Patton, who now resides in New York, knows only too well the ways in which our current systems are designed to keep certain bodies and ideologies out of certain spaces. However, with the lockdowns that occurred during the summer of 2020, Konstance and a contingent of artists in New York found new ways to reclaim space, reassert their belonging within gentrified cities, and bring their revolutionary understandings of healing and growth to the wider community. A piece from Konstance's art project Goddezzes...2021-09-2445 min
Know What You See with Brian LoweryColoring Public SpacesMany of us grew up playing in our neighborhood parks, using those shared spaces for family picnics, going for a run or a game of softball. Over the last year or so of the pandemic, we’ve found a new appreciation for the value of these outdoor community areas. But with a number of racially charged incidents in places like New York’s Central Park and Oakland, CA, we’re also learning anew how race is deeply embedded in who feels safe and welcome in these environments. Join Brian Lowery as he explores how we create, claim and share space...2021-08-2627 min
F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club. Walk in Peace, Chapter 2 - Pike LegendWelcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. The Pike Legend, read by Konstance. Subscribe for the full story, wherever you get your podcast. Pass it on.
Walk In Peace, by Simon Otto
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Walk in Peace by Simon Otto, Chapter 1Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story, wherever you get your podcast. Pass it on.
Walk in Peace by Simon Otto. The Dog Legend.
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club Little Dose; How to Eat by Thich Nhat HanhWelcome to Little Dose, where Konstance's friends read you a short story. How to Eat, by Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh, excerpts read by Leola Bee. Subscribe for the full story.
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 14What a journey Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story, wherever you get your podcast. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 13Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story, wherever you get your podcast. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 12Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day! Subscribe for the full story, wherever you get your podcast. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 11Live From the forest! Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story, wherever you get your podcast. Pass it on!
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 10Live From the forest! Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story, wherever you get your podcasts. Pass it on.
By Peter S. Beagle
Instagram: @FCKINGREJECTS
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 9Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story, wherever you get your podcast. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 8Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Let’s take an epic magic journey together. Subscribe for the full story, wherever you get your podcast. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 7Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 6Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 5Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 4Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 3Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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F*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, The Last Unicorn, Chapter 2Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story. Pass it on.
The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-1529 minF*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Animal Farm, Chapter 10Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story. Pass it on.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-1322 minF*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Animal Farm, Chapter 9Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Subscribe for the full story. Pass it on.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-1027 minF*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Animal Farm, Chapter 7Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads you a chapter a day. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts for the full story, and tell a friend.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-0924 minF*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Animal Farm, Chapter 6Welcome Back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads us a chapter a day. Pass it on and subscribe for the full story.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-0820 minF*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Animal Farm, Chapter 5Welcome to Rejects Book Club where Konstance reads you a chapter a day. Subscribe whenever you get your podcast for the full story.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-0722 minF*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Animal Farm, Chapter 4Welcome to Rejects Book Club where Konstance, AKA me, reads you a chapter a day. Times are hard and our only job right now is to survive. Part of my survival and mental health support has been reading. I thought I would share that with you. Let me read you and your family a story, a chapter a day. Starting with the family friendly Fairy Tale, Animal Farm by George Orwell. Subscribe whenever you get your podcast for the full story.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-0613 minF*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Animal Farm, Chapter 3Welcome back to Rejects Book Club, where Konstance reads a chapter a day.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-0516 minF*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Animal Farm, Chapter 2Welcome to Rejects Book Club where Konstance Patton, AKA me, reads you a chapter a day from some of my favorite books. Times are hard and our only job right now is to survive. Part of my survival and mental health support has been reading. I thought I would share that with you. Let me read you and your family a story, a chapter a day. Starting with the family friendly Fairy Tale, Animal Farm by George Orwell.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-0417 minF*CKING REJECTSRejects Book Club, Animal Farm Chapter 1Welcome to Rejects Book Club where Konstance Patton, AKA me, reads you a chapter a day from some of my favorite books. Times are hard and our only job right now is to survive. Part of my survival and mental health support has been reading. I thought I would share that with you. Let me read you and your family a story, a chapter a day. Starting with the family friendly Fairy Tale, Animal Farm by George Orwell.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2020-06-0218 minF*CKING REJECTSEmily Panic has A Pretty Big MouthWelcome to another episode of F$CKING REJECTS, your favorite Oral History Podcast, hosted by Konstance Patton. This week’s guest is the hilarious and wildly talented Emily Panic! The New York artists talk about NYC in the early aughts, Em’s creative expression process, and even ghosts! WIth a special introduction co-hosted by Konstance's niece baby BK, it's a good one, tell yer mom!
Follow Emily on Twitter and Instagram at @aprettybigmouth
Emily and Lilian DeVane’s ghost investigational pod @ghosttoshowyou
And don’t forget to leave a review on apple podcasts!
Oh ye...2020-03-261h 37F*CKING REJECTSThe Roaring 20's with Hayley Marie Norman!Happy New Year and welcome back Rejects! Konstance kicks off 2020 with a dope and inspiring interview with actress, producer, comedian, writer and badass Hayley Marie Norman! From Netflix, College Humor, Comedy Bang Bang, the Simpsons and tons more, this woman is putting in the work. They talk creating, growing up in LA, and how Konstance kicked off an awkward start to a beautiful friendship. It’s a great one, enjoy!
@FCKINGREJECTS
Find Hayley:
IG @hayleymarienorman
Twitter: @xoHayleyMarie
Cameo.com/hayleymarienorman
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/k...2020-01-011h 35F*CKING REJECTSMaybe I’ll See Ya Around with Andrew Edward BrownWelcome back to F$CKING REJECTS, an Oral History Podcast! Host Konstance Patton sits down in LA, with Brooklyn and Philly’s own Musician Andrew Edward Brown! They talk about transitioning from East to West Coast, working solo after being in a duo for years, and being happily uncomfortable in a new city.
Brown's Track “I’ll See You Around” is featured at the end of this episode, featuring Konstance on vocals, BOOM! Recorded on a sunny spring afternoon in Los Angeles, in a bomb rental with a dirty ass pool, just beautiful! Enjoy!
@FCKINGREJECTS
Find A...2019-12-101h 28F*CKING REJECTSA.V. Club Kids featuring Victoria SilveraYo! This week on F*CKING REJECTS, Konstance sits down with Jamaican Visual Artist Victoria Silvera in the LES Studio, yeah! This is one of the first interviews recorded so it’s got a real punk rock quality, even some theater in the background. They talk about studying in New York City, making sculptures in Jamaica and old ladies trying to make it to second base with Rastas. Enjoy!
Find Victoria @touchbyvls
https://www.touchbyvls.com/
@fckingrejects
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konst...2019-12-021h 47F*CKING REJECTSNew York Trouble Trio, with Danny Chaviz and Andrew LockhartKonstance is back in the New York studio for another episode of REJECTS! This week she got the wild New York stories of BRIC’s Andrew Lockhart and Danny Chaviz of Apollo Heights and The Veldt. Teeth were almost lost in this one, enjoy!
Andrew Lockhart @urbnomad
Danny Chaviz @theveldt_music
@FCKINGREJECTS
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2019-11-121h 30F*CKING REJECTSGetting Zen with Lola, AKA Gangsta BooOn this episode of FCKING REJECTS Konstance gets zen AF with Lola aka Gangsta Boo! They chat about Lola’s life after Three 6 Mafia, living in LA, Pussy Power and spirituality! Konstance also shares her harrowing story of building a giant mural for Studio 189's NYFW2019 runway presentation in four days, and finally getting published in Vogue! This one is full of the blood sweat and tears people always talk about. Enjoy!
(Recorded May 2019)
Instagram, Twitter:
@missyeahoe
GangstaBoo.com
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show...2019-09-231h 34F*CKING REJECTSBut I Love it Here. Detroit Voices in four parts (4) featuring Imani Mixon.Guess who’s bizzak! Welcome back to F*CKING REJECTS with Konstance Patton, an oral history podcast! This week Konstance rounds up the 4 part Detroit series, “But I love it here,” with journalist, writer, broadcaster and bad ass Detroit creator Imani Mixon. They discuss growing up in Detroit, making moves and trying new creative outlets. Also, Konstance goes on a spooky trip to New Orleans. Boo! Enjoy!
@fckingrejects
Twitter:
@imanimixon
Instagram:
@thecityproper
Imanimixon.com
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstanc...2019-08-231h 25F*CKING REJECTSBut I Love It Here. Detroit Voices in four parts (3) featuring Nick Speed.In the third installment of the Detroit series, Konstance chills on top of the city with prolific musician Nick Speed. The artists share stories about growing up as weird kids in Motown, being the first generation raised in hip hop, creating Libido Sounds with eLZhi on Witness My Growth, and eating the best fries at the Grammy’s. Nick even shares his earliest work, when he got a spot as a kid DJ at the age of 4. Oh yeah, and that time he almost threw up on Quincy Jones. Enjoy!
Insta, Twitter, FB
@nickspeedent
Ne...2019-06-281h 35F*CKING REJECTSBut I Love it Here. Detroit Voices in four parts (2) featuring Jessica Care Moore.In the second part of the Detroit Series, Konstance goes back to her Detroit Techno roots with poet, recording artist, community activist, author, publisher and all around woman who ROCKS, Jessica Care Moore. They chop it up about music, the old Detroit, and the brilliant performer's new project “Salt City: A Techno Choreopoem.” Jessica even had cookies. This ones a treat!
Twitter, Instagram, Facebook:
@jessicaCaremoore
jessicaCaremoore.com
http://saltcityexists.com/
http://pittsburghjazzfest.org/artists/black-women-rock/
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/mess2019-06-111h 23F*CKING REJECTSBut I Love It Here. Detroit Voices in four parts featuring eLZhi.In the first of a 4 part series Konstance chats with the phenomenal Emcee eLZhi, one of Detroit’s hometown heroes and arguably one of the best to ever do it. They chat about Detroit hip hop, working with the late great J. Dilla, Slum Village and how he was once asked to do the thriller dance with his group in the early days. (He said no thank God.) This is a good one, enjoy!
Twitter, Instagram and Facebook:
@eLZhi
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2019-05-311h 32F*CKING REJECTSWardens of the NorthIn this special episode of F*CKING REJECTS, Konstance sits down with Physician Assistant and kid sister Kendra Silverman in sunny Los Angeles! They discuss Game Of Thrones P.T.S.D., middle child syndrome, perseverance and they even sing a few silly songs for the hell of it.
Stars of Stanford:
https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2018/06/21/stars-of-stanford-medicine-promoting-health-and-career-opportunities/
@locknessmonstrocity
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2019-05-151h 10F*CKING REJECTSFrom Parris With LoveIn this episode of F*CKING REJECTS Konstance chops it up with NYC photographer Parris Whittingham. The friends chat about the history of the Bronx, Podcast as the new radio, promoting their work, and they even take down some NYC Chinese takeout for the ASMR in you, they’ve got it all! This is a great one! Thank you! You’re welcome!
https://fromparriswithlove.com/
@iamparris
@parriswithlove
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2019-05-021h 32F*CKING REJECTSBlack Barron Crowns the King of New YorkKonstance sits down with photographer, cinematographer, and artist Barron Claiborne in the LES studio to talk art, history, working in New York and other bull-ish, while celebrating the upcoming exhibition Contact High: A Visual History of Hip-Hop, at The Annenberg Space for Photography in Los Angeles, California. In this historic exhibition, Barron (alongside other world class artists) shares his unedited contact sheets of The Notorious BIG as the King Of New York (KONY) photoshoot for the first time in the book penned by Vikki Tobak. This is a good one, enjoy!
@barronclaiborne
@bcafricanus
ht...2019-04-231h 46F*CKING REJECTSReefer Madness: Konstance and Santana play Cheech and ChongHappy 420 Freaks! On this special episode of F*CKING REJECTS Konstance has a 420 chill at the art studio with her friend Chef Santana Caress Benítez! Winner of Chopped, Lourdes ‘LuLu’ Blackmon in She’s Gotta Have it, creator of #Illcooklikeyourmother, half of @fortheculturecatering, and she even hosts her own retreats (yes some are 420🌞) in Puerto Rico 🇵🇷. This is a Stoney one, so get some cupcakes and smoke it if you got it! Enjoy! Say hi to Uncle Snoop for me.
Illcooklikeyourmother.com
@santanacaress
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance2019-04-201h 35F*CKING REJECTSThe Konstance and Jaq Show: Hollywood EditionIn this episode of F*CKING REJECTS Konstance packs up the roaming studio and goes Hollywood! She catches up with her old friend, photographer, director, artist and content creator, Jaclyn Amor! They chat about Jaq’s big move from NYC to the West Coast, finding friends, Konstance possibly being a ghost, and they even sing a Disney tune. Weirdos.
www.jaclynamor.com/
@jaclynamor
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2019-04-161h 48F*CKING REJECTSDr. Greg Snyder the Red Hook Rider.In this episode of F*CKING REJECTS Konstance shoots the Ish with her friend and neighbor Dr. Greg Snyder AKA The Professor! A New York Sociologist of all the coolest subjects including skateboarding, graffiti and biking, they talk rejection, winning, and he even brought home made macaroni, strap on your helmets posers and lets ride!
@profgsnyder
Go read his books already!
Graffiti Lives:
https://www.amazon.com/Graffiti-Lives-Underground-Alternative-Criminology/dp/0814740464
Skateboarding LA:
https://nyupress.org/9780814737910/skateboarding-la/
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/sh...2019-04-091h 49F*CKING REJECTSEveryday I'm Husslin'.In this episode of F*CKING REJECTS Konstance talks to NYC creator Rhasaan Oyasaba Manning about his long career as an artist straight outta Flatbush Brooklyn. Making works in music, acting, voiceover, photography and directing, dealing with rejection and keeping it going, BONG! Konstance also touches on the tragic loss of the artist, rapper, entrepreneur and community leader Nipsey Hussle. Such a sad loss to the LA community, a true soldier. We are in this together, let's keep creating to offset the negativity. This is a good one.
Also...New Theme Song!!! Thank you Scotty Hard for rec...2019-04-021h 28F*CKING REJECTSThe Korona EffectOn the road again! Konstance heads to her hometown of Detroit Michigan to sit down with MC, actor, photographer and all around swell human Miz Korona! From her days rapping on the school bus to her breakout role in the classic film 8 Mile, she represents some of the best Hip Hop to come out of the Motor City. Pour yourself a Faygo Red Pop and break out the Better Made hot chips, Welcome to The D!
MizKorona.bandcam.com triggerfingervisuals.com
Detroit Diamond (Official Short)
https://vimeo.com/281995160
...2019-03-261h 25F*CKING REJECTSWho the heck is Konstance anyway?
In this episode, the artist reflects on her journey, the highs and the lows, how she got started and where she comes from, and that one time she woke up to a random dude rubbing her feet on a train to Palermo. Gross.
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2019-03-1943 minF*CKING REJECTSSpreading love with BIGGIE and living on the ghost ship.
Konstance hangs out in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn with artists and collaborators Raphael Rapior and Cody Opdahl of Keiyo Art. Raphael (AKA Captain Pongo) collaborated with artist Barron Claiborne, to bring never before seen large scale prints of “The Notorious BIG As the King of New York (K.O.N.Y.)” and his “Universal BIGGIE” photos to the walls of Bishop Bedford Gallery. The international team discuss their journeys from meeting at rock bottom in Switzerland, to creating large scale public photo installations around the world. And one lived on a ghost ship!
Long Live The King!
http...2019-03-121h 12F*CKING REJECTSWelcome to Reject town aka New York City.New York based artist Konstance chats with all types of people and asks the questions; why deal with all the rejection and what keeps them going? How does one succeed? She discusses success and failure though the eyes of all types of people. It takes hearing no a lot before the breakthrough. Right?
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Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/konstance-patton/message2019-03-0425 min