Joanne Lockwood is joined by global DEI expert and former Chief Diversity Officer Wema Hoover to explore what sits behind today’s DEI backlash and what organisations can do to sustain inclusion in uncertain times.
They discuss how misinformation and zero-sum thinking have distorted the purpose of DEI, and why many organisations are reacting by quietly removing language or scaling back initiatives. Wema argues for returning to first principles: inclusion as sound business strategy that strengthens employee engagement, builds culturally relevant customer connection, and supports innovation.
The conversation turns practical, with guidance for HR and leaders on protecting psychological safety, focusing on culture and retention, and embedding fair processes that reduce bias without relying on quotas. They also address the emotional toll and burnout facing HR and inclusion practitioners, and the importance of coaching leaders and creating spaces where employees can talk honestly about what they’re experiencing.
Throughout, the episode challenges the idea that diversity undermines meritocracy, and reinforces that strong systems and values-led culture are what allow the best talent to thrive—especially when external pressure and political headwinds intensify.
