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The Whole TherapistTherapists' Relationship with GoodbyesAbby and Kellee explore how grief often accompanies goodbyes, and that goodbyes can also hold happiness and hope. They notice how endings and goodbyes can feel different for each therapist and each therapist/client dyad. They reflect on their own relationship with goodbyes in an out of the therapy space. Topics Touched on:Circle of Security- https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comPadraig O TuamaMaya WardFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit ou...2025-05-1327 minThe Whole TherapistHolding Space for Marginalized ClientsAbby and Kellee recorded on 1/31/25 and began exploring how to hold space for marginalized clients who are impacted by executive orders and fear of or actual detainments of themselves and loved ones. Topics Touched on:Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition: https://coloradoimmigrant.org/Decolonizing Therapy (Jaiya john): https://www.decolonizingtherapy.comIain McGilchrist: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300245929/the-master-and-his-emissary/Enough About You- Titus Kaphar: https://www.kapharstudio.comMasharll Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com/ 2025-02-0424 minThe Whole TherapistNew Year, New Healer?Abby and Kellee jump into a new season with the new year. They explore the ebbs and flows of their rhythms over the last 5 years of recordings, and how they have shifted as healers. Abby and Kellee highlight the importance of slowing down, community, intentionality, and how “being with” is truly enough for our clients healing. Topics Touched on:Rebodying the Self of the Healer - REGISTER NOW: https://www.marshalllyles.comMaggie Smith’s poem- How Dark the Beginning: https://www.poetryf...2025-01-1521 minThe Whole TherapistHumility, Arrogance, and Therapists Oh My!Abby and Kellee explore superiority, humility, arrogance, and how they show up for therapists. They give examples of how they have and do fall down this slippery slope (even while they record this episode) Abby and Kellee discuss the therapists’ parts of self that can show up in sessions where we may believe we are better and/or able to influence the outcomes for clients resulting in lack of true presence. How do we set this part aside to be fully curious? Topics Touched on:Adrienne Maree Brown: https://adriennemareebrown.net/blog/On...2024-12-0324 minThe Whole TherapistGiving Clients Congruence with Our Internalized CommunityAbby and Kellee start to explore the word accountability and sift through their intention for the episode. They come to name self-reflection and community. Abby and Kellee talk authenticity and explore internalizing nurture from those in their community; which supports them in bringing this into the therapy space. They ask listeners to identify who they can be their truest self with; to practice authenticity and gain internalized nurturing that allows them to show up congruently with clients. Topics Touched on: The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolinohtt...2024-11-0522 minThe Whole TherapistMoving Away from 'Topic of The Week' TherapyKellee and Abby revisit the concept of 'process over content' in therapy, and explore what is bringing them Joy over the last few years since beginning the podcast. They dive into what may be leading therapists into content therapy versus process therapy, and encourage therapists to lean into what makes them feel alive and joyful. Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:https://wholetherapistinstitute.com Email us: wholetherapistinstitute@gmail.com2024-09-1715 minThe Whole TherapistWithholding: Are You Colluding with Avoidance?Abby and Kellee are back after some big technological struggles. They welcome the community back in and explore the theme of, withholding. They explore withholding EMDR from clients and withholding the truth from clients. Are therapists withholding for a true clinical reason or out of fear? Abby and Kellee ask therapists to ask themselves, “Why might I not be leaning into something that is right here in the room where someone’s nervous system might really benefit from me leaning in?” Topics Touched on: Annie Monaco- https://www.anniemonaco.comEMDR- https://www.emdria.o...2024-08-1321 minThe Whole TherapistExploring Attraction to Our ClientsAbby and Kellee get brave and venture into a topic that doesn’t seem openly talked about, feeling attraction to our clients. They share their own experience of this happening, normalize this experience, and explore the neuroscience that is happening when attraction happens. Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comThe Whole Therapist Consultation Group: $50 per group. Capped at 8 participants each month. Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our website:2024-05-0720 minThe Whole TherapistBravery and Risk: How We Show Up in the Therapy RoomAbby and Kellee use this episode to talk through some recent experiences that required Bravery in their own lives and how we relate to Risk both personally and professionally. They explore noticing how 'being brave' and 'taking risks' show up in relationship in the therapy setting, and share some poetry with listeners.They ask listeners to get curious about their own relationship to Risk and how this influences their ways of being as a therapist and a human. Topics Touched on:Marshall Lyles: www.marshalllyles.comLouise Erdrich: Advice to Myself ...2024-03-2620 minThe Whole TherapistDo We Love Our Clients: A Conversation Between TherapistsKellee and Abby are back from their holiday break! Join them for the Season 5 in another conversation, all about looooooove 💗. Their exploration is prompted by the question, “do we love our clients?” and, "must we?" Kellee and Abby muse about what it means to love, draw from some of Dr. Allan Schore's research, name the importance of therapist's doing their own parts work, and end with questions for listeners as they continue to do their own wondering. Topics Touched on:Dr. Allan Schore: https://www.allanschore.com/books/right-brain-psychotherapy/ Robyn Gobbel: ht...2024-02-1318 minThe Whole TherapistExploration of Pregnancy and Being a TherapistKellee is going on maternity leave! This episode explores the ways in which therapists who experience pregnancy can be impacted and transformed as practitioners and humans. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal experience with pregnancy in the field, how they navigate boundaries, and conversations around client care as it relates to self-disclosure in this tender time period. They normalize how nuanced this topic and experience can be and emphasize how necessary it is to 'be so human' with our clients. Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://ww...2023-12-0119 minThe Whole TherapistTime to Take Your Time OffThis episode explores all the ways in which we therapists don’t take the time off we need while encouraging our clients to take time off for self-care. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal struggles with taking time off, including the messages and narratives they tell themselves about when and how much time off they should take. They normalize how guilt can show up around this subject and emphasize how necessary and worthy we are of taking time for ourselves. Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/h...2023-10-0314 minThe Whole TherapistThe Deeply Feeling TherapistAbby and Kellee use this episode to share some announcements and talk through some recent stories in their own lives that have contributed to deep feelings showing up personally and professionally. They explore noticing deep feelings that show up in relationship in the professional setting, and what pausing and reflecting can do to create regulation around such deep feelings. They ask listeners to get curious about their own deep feelings that show up with clients in sessions. Topics Touched on:Deb Dana: https://www.rhythmofregulation.com/about Letters to a Young Poe...2023-09-1223 minThe Whole TherapistLet's Talk - Nonverbal CommunicationAbby and Kellee touch on how important non-verbal communication is to the healing process for our clients in the therapy space. They share how words are the least important part of the healing process, and ways that non-verbal communication is so vital to attachment trauma work. The acknowledge this topic being hard to explore while using a podcast that involves all talking, and leave listeners with a practice they can do with nature, a pet, or a listening partner. Topics Touched on:Somatic Empathy - https://www.somatictransformation.com/Being a Brain-Wise Th...2023-08-0131 minThe Whole TherapistFeedback: The Good, The Bad, & The UglyAbby and Kellee lean into discussing recent feedback they got on this podcast, and the parallel process that occurs in the therapy space. They explore work from Dan Siegel around “linkage and differentiation.” The two also discuss attachment strategies we all can fall into based on our own attachment histories with giving and receiving feedback. Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comFlora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-selfDan Siegel: https://www.drdansiegel.comMarshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comFollow us: 2023-07-0527 minThe Whole TherapistAt the Edge of Our Own WorkAbby and Kellee spend time wandering through this episode exploring patience with parts of self for our clients, and for ourselves. They untangle the definition of patience, and what this really means in our work with clients. The two name the wandering that happens in this episode and explore what it feels like to be at the edge of their own work to help listeners begin to recognize when they too are at the edge of their work. Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comRobyn Gobbel- https://ro...2023-06-1324 minThe Whole TherapistAttuning to the ContextAbby and Kellee spend time exploring how important the context of our client’s lives are. They discuss being attuned with that context versus pushing feelings away, offering coping skills and offering quick fixes. Being with is identified as the most important thing therapists can do first. Topics Touched on:Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comRobyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comCircle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comMarshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.comDr. Iain McGilchrist: https://channelmcgilchrist.com/IntraConnecte: https://drdansiegel.com/boo...2023-05-0224 minThe Whole TherapistFinding Your Therapeutic Home. Finding Who You'll Journey With.Abby and Kellee welcome listeners into community. They explore looking for a therapeutic home for therapists and clients alike. Abby and Kellee discuss balancing many therapeutic homes, finding “your people,” and journeying with them. They share the vulnerability that is present in seeking out community. Topics Touched on:Bonnie: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comLisa Dion: https://synergeticplaytherapy.comOn Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/ada-limon-to-be-made-whole/Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comFire of Love Documentary Follow us: https://www.instag...2023-04-1817 minThe Whole TherapistWelcome to Season 4: Exploring Wonder and AweAbby and Kellee welcome listeners to season 4. The two share what they have been up to and begin to explore how therapists are in the presence of awe almost every day according to what Dacher Keltner defines as awe. Topics Touched on:On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.comThe Heart of Winter: https://sannawani.com/2022/02/01/booklight-04/The Last of Us: https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the...2023-02-2824 minThe Whole TherapistBidding Season 3 FarewellAbby and Kellee bid listeners farewell as they end season 3. They reflect on the year, talking about love and loss for clients, supervisees, consultees, friends, family, and themselves. They of course weave in IPNB and even some EMDR around theirs and others experiences this season, and this year, touching on integration and meaning making. Topics Touched on:Ways of Being by James Bridle: https://jamesbridle.com/books/ways-of-beingWintering by Katherine May: https://katherine-may.co.uk/wintering Adrift by Mark Nep0: https://grateful.org/resource/adrift/The Keep Going Song by T...2022-12-2132 minThe Whole TherapistTouch in the Therapy RoomAbby and Kellee broach the topic of using touch in the therapy space with both adult and child clients. They discuss the healing benefits of touch from various therapeutic modalities. Abby and Kellee talk through the sacredness of wordless healing. They explore their relationship with touch personally and within the field and how it’s evolved. Topics Touched on:Theraplay: https://theraplay.orgNatalia Rachel: IG- natalia_rachel_changeThe Gift: Poems by HafizFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com...2022-11-2225 minThe Whole TherapistTaking it Personal in the Therapy SpaceAbby and Kellee spend time exploring how we know when we as therapists are taking clients' progress, lack of progress, emotions, behaviors, etc. personally. They share their own stories of taking it personal, and strategies that can support the therapist to move out of this space and back into attunement with the client. Topics Touched on:Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.comRobyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/2022-11-0825 minThe Whole TherapistBook Series: The Development of a Therapist: Chapter 5: Holding UncertaintyAbby and Kellee continue to wonder and wander their way through the multi-seasonal book series. Come laugh together under full moon energy in Chapter 5 of “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They model humility, uncertainty, and the importance of humor as we engage this emergent field. Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\ Upcoming Offerings:Seasonal Book Series! Buy the book...2022-10-1119 minThe Whole TherapistBook Series: The Development of a Therapist. Chapter 4, Part 2Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and offer continued discussion of Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives, Part Two! in “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use a powerful question offered by Cozolino to guide their conversation, and share personal narratives parts of them hold, in addition to practical applications when working with clients. Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\...2022-09-1322 minThe Whole TherapistBook Series: The Development of a Therapist. Chapter 4, Part 1Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and explore Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives in “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter four to explore the beauty in sitting with deeper client narratives and the need for family of origin work.Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comPlayful Listeni...2022-08-3021 minThe Whole TherapistAre Therapists the Boss? Exploring Structure in the Therapy RoomCome join us as we take a pause on our book series and explore the concept of Structure in the therapy space! Abby and Kellee use their own personal and professional experiences as they reflect on how Structure relates to Boundaries. They discuss the value to clients and clinicians in holding Structure, and leave some questions for listeners to reflect on in their own lives and practices.Topics Touched on:Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comThe Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=l...2022-08-1618 minThe Whole TherapistAccessing the Unconscious (Exploring chapter 3 of the summer book series)Get ready to smile the whole way through! Abby and Kellee use humor and self-reflection as they explore concepts in chapter three like: self-awareness in the therapy space, process over content, tracking themes, and “listening with the third ear.” They discuss imposter syndrome coming up for them as they re-read the book with this community, and of course throw in a great garden analogy.Topics Touched on:Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.comRobyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.comThe Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref...2022-08-0422 minThe Whole TherapistSummer Book Series: The Development of a Therapist. Chapter 2Abby and Kellee continue the summer book series and explore Chapter Two: Therapist Imagination in “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter two to explore "shuttling," the need for ongoing consultation, and laughter around engrained assumptions like wearing headphones to record. Kellee and Abby share the felt sense behind 'trusting the process.' Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\Bonnie Badenoch: https://w...2022-07-2025 minThe Whole TherapistSummer Book Series: The Development of a Therapist. Chapter 1Abby and Kellee begin to explore chapter one of their summer book series using, “The Development of a Therapist.” They use chapter one to explore how therapists’ and clients’ left and right brain show up in the therapy space. Kellee and Abby share what it means and feels like to use and blend poetry and science for healing purposes. Topics Touched on:On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/series/podcast/The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&s...2022-07-0522 minThe Whole TherapistSharing Resources: Therapists aren't GatekeepersShare the love! Abby and Kellee explore the benefits for both therapists and clients sharing and receiving resources with each other. They talk through ways to share books with clients and highlight the need to walk alongside clients while they read a book the therapist has recommended. Abby and Kellee discuss the importance of pairing right brain processing when recommending a book to a client. Topics Touched on:Anchored: How to Befriend Your Nervous System Using Polyvagal Theory: https://www.amazon.com/Anchored-Befriend-Nervous-System-Polyvagal/dp/1683647068It Didn’t Start with You: https://www.amazon.com...2022-06-1417 minThe Whole TherapistTherapists Make Mistakes: Exploring Shame and CompassionAbby and Kellee explore making mistakes in the therapy room, and the shame that becomes very alive and present for therapists. They share their own stories of mistakes with clients, the shame they felt, and ways they have learned to regulated through these moments. They also include an audio clip from a professor at a local university who shares his own mistake as an intern therapist and the shame that followed. Abby and Kellee use an IPNB lens to offer compassion to themselves and all therapists regarding the responses to clients that turn into mistakes. 2022-05-2438 minThe Whole TherapistThe Healer's Dilemma: Holding Boundaries with Family and FriendsTopics Touched on:Abby and Kellee explore healing others and having to hold boundaries with our own families and friends. They express the grief that can be present when healers see their own family or friends suffering but needing to maintain the boundary of not becoming their healer. They also hold the relief that may come for some knowing they cannot be the healer for their friends our family. Abby and Kellee share the difficulty of separating our therapist part from our friend and/or family member part. Follow us: https://ww...2022-04-2614 minThe Whole TherapistMonitoring Self-Disclosure in the Therapy SpaceSelf-disclosure. What is it? When do we use it? When is it helpful? When can it be harmful? Abby and Kellee discuss the importance of awareness around the intention of the therapist’s disclosure. They ask when does self-disclosure create expansion and joining for the therapist and client? Kellee and Abby give examples of when disclosure has been helpful or not helpful for them as clients, and their own clients. Topics Touched on:The Development of a Therapist. Healing Others. Healing Self: Louis Cozolino- https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/03937139542022-04-1228 minThe Whole TherapistTalking Heads: Using Talking Intentionally in the Therapy SpaceHave you ever had that client that “talks at you,” or noticed you yourself “talking at the client?” Do you ever wonder if words in the therapy room may not be the most optimal for healing? Abby and Kellee spend this episode exploring how “talking”, a left brain skill, must be used intentionally to heal our clients. Topics Touched on:World Association of Sandtray Therapy Professionals (WASP): https://worldsandtherapy.comLorraine Freedle: http://lorrainefreedle.com/sandplay-therapy/Dan Siegel: https://drdansiegel.comBonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.comThe Development of a Therapist...2022-03-2219 minThe Whole TherapistThe Financial Dilemma: A Therapist JourneyGet ready to talk about money! How do we decide our rates? Abby and Kellee explore their personal relationship with money, and how this impacts their relationship with money as private practice owners. While Kellee and Abby focus this episode on those who have private practices the episode encourages all therapists to become aware of their own relationship with money, and how this lives inside their bodies, their epigenetic story. Topics Touched on:Robyn Mourning: https://www.ominiralabs.comDr. Bukky: https://myrelationshiphq.comTalking about Race with Dr. Bukky Kolawole: https://w...2022-03-0824 minThe Whole TherapistThe Uninspired TherapistWhat’s a therapist to do when they feel uninspired? Abby and Kellee use the parallel process of the podcast and being a therapist as they explore the experience of being uninspired. How do we show up for clients when we feel uninspired? Can we trust in our clients’ own process that they will come to therapy inspired and our role is to simply follow them, be with them? Topics Touched on:Jaak Panksepp: https://www.asdn.org/wp-content/uploads/1-Motivated-Brain-Excerpt-pgs.pdfJohn O'Donohue: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/39025796-walking-in-wonderMarsh...2022-02-2225 minThe Whole TherapistGrief. Not Just a One Time TopicAbby and Kellee touch on grief, and the ways it shows up for therapists in the field. They share the need to welcome grief again and again; it cannot be box that is just “checked off.” Abby and Kellee explore ways to set boundaries as therapists navigate the hard work they do in this field. Topics Touched on:Michael Pollan- https://michaelpollan.comKate Bowler- https://katebowler.comFollow us: https://www.instagram.com/the_whole_therapist/https://www.facebook.com/TWTPodcasters/ Visit our websit...2022-02-0823 minThe Whole TherapistSeason THREE: Welcoming Clients BackAbby and Kellee welcome veteran and new listeners to season 3! They share hopes for season 3, and then move into using the parallel process of welcoming clients into our space for the first time, third time, or 100th time. They challenge listeners to be reflective on how listeners show up for their clients when welcoming them for an intake, after a brief pause, after a rupture, after a planned break, and many more examplesTopics Touched on:Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.comUpcoming Coffee and Chat (2.10.22 6pmMST) Pandemic Parenting: The A...2022-01-2519 minThe Whole TherapistProcess Over ContentAbby and Kellee say goodbye to season two this episode. As they reflect on their own process, they move into exploring process over content within the therapy space. Why would we want to focus more on process over content? What cues let you know you or the client are avoiding processing? How do we move clients into processing when they are heavily guarded? Topics Touched on:The Keep Going Song- The Bengons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-ju_L9pEQEpigenetics: Hope and Attachment: https://wholetherapistinstitute.com/store/Circle o...2021-11-3026 min