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Liminal CurrentsQuerying the left hand path, tantra and queer paganism with Phil HineThis episode Brian and Wyatt talk to legendary author Phil Hine about his history with the Chaos Magic movement, magic as a political act, homophobia in the occult scene, tantra and the left hand path (in the East and West). It was surreal talking to the author of a couple of the most influential books on both of our magical paths. Enjoy! Phil's excellent blog : enfolding.orgRead all his books, especially his two most recent : Delinquent Elementals and Querying the Left Hand Path!Theme song by Dark Planets of Dead Dreams ...
2025-02-111h 40
Liminal CurrentsInitiation into the CurrentWelcome to thee experiment! In this episode, cohosts Brian and Wyatt interview one another, discussing Left vs Right Hand Path, magical blunders, and which three magicians from history they'd want to break bread with. They also discuss their magical timelines and what they divine for the future of thee experiment.
2025-01-151h 08
TraegerMethod PodcastEpisode 83: Brian Gathy (End On End Podcast, DC punk)Episode 83 is a conversation with prolific podcaster and veteran DC punk Brian Gathy.
Brian is co-host of End On End, a pod that examines every Discord Records title in the order they were released, he also singlehandedly produces and hosts The Unanimous Hour dedicated to deciphering the fractal brilliance of DC band Lungfish’s catalog of songs as well as Dweller On the Threshold which explores the music of Van Morrison.
Our conversation touches on those projects but the bulk of our talk focuses on a new podcast (my sec...
2023-08-262h 04
End On EndCIRCUS LUPUS "Pop Man" / Chris Thomson and Seth LorincziJoan Jett plus Circus Lupus equals magic! Who knew? Join Brian and Scott as they rhapsodize about the greatness of this strange 7'. Later in then show singer Chris Thomson and bassist Seth Lorinczi join us for a wild ride of a conversation about meeting Joan, playing crazy shows and the recording and reception of the Pop Man record. What else are you gonna do with the next three hours of your life?
2023-06-033h 01End On EndLUNGFISH "Talking/Necklace" CD / Chris RichardsThe journey to the writhing heart of the cosmos begins here...Or at least the soundtrack, thereof. This episode Drew, Scott Sheridan and myself talk about the CD that collects the first two Lungfish releases. To say I'm excited about this episode is a gross understatement. Spoiler alert ; Lungfish = Brian's favorite band. As with most CD episodes, Scott saves the day (and your ears), by bringing a fresh perspective and enthusiasm to our musings. Later on the show, Chris Richards from Q and not U (and great writer for the Washington Post, among others) chimes in with some...
2022-12-304h 05End On EndHOLY ROLLERS "Fabuley/As Is" CDOnce again we are joined by the illustrious Dr Drew Lichtenberg, as the co-host to the cohost, to discuss the still fresh Holy Rollers CD (that compiles their first two albums). Find out the question on everyone's lips, "which lp does Brian prefer? Jeff? Drew? And as per our contracts, we also diverge into many side topics about punk at large, other releases, scene politics etc.
2022-08-122h 26End On EndHOLY ROLLERS "Fabuley" / Marc LambiotteWith an iconic, unforgettable cover and huge production, the Holy Rollers second album really cemented their place in the Dischord family. Three members, three singers and multiple layers of music here. Find out what Jeff and I think of this one and hear guitarist/singer Marc Lambiotte go into the band's mindset and approach, as well as give some context for the times and some of the songs. Enjoy!
2022-07-222h 34End On EndSEVERIN "Fire And Sand" / Alec Bourgeois and Mark HaggertyAs we get deeper into the 90s era on the show, we meet another new band, Severin. New music, but not necessarily new faces. We talk to singer/guitarist, Alec Bourgeois and guitarist Mark Haggerty about the origins of the band and their first release. Spoiler alert, Jeff and I dig it. Listen in for our take on how this band brings more elements into the Dischord formula and expands the label's parameters.
2022-07-062h 13End On EndNATION OF ULYSSES "13 Point Program To Destroy America"/ Tim GreenThe revolution will not be broadcast. Turn off your radios. The teens have taken over! This episode we dismantle the dismantlers audio tract, 13 Point Program To Destroy America by Nation of Ulysses. There was a lot to discuss this week as we let the sugar and caffeine do their thing. Joining us after the revolutionary exogesis, is NOU guitarist Tim Green. Join the political party and dance the state away.
2022-06-303h 26End On EndHIGH BACK CHAIRS "Of Two Minds" / Peter Hayes, Charles Steck and Jim SpellmanLooking for the most hardcore release on Dischord? Look no farther. The High Back Chairs were so hardcore, they didn't need to scream or pretend not to care about hooks. This record is a lost power pop gem. Truly. Listen to us discuss the merits and mysteries of the record. Our resident academic, Drew Lichtenberg, drops in to give his breakdown of the band and we talk to everyone in said band, except their elusive drummer. A guy who was in a few bands. Anyhow, hope you enjoy this episode and it inspires a few folks to either buy...
2022-06-184h 20End On EndSHUDDER TO THINK "10 Spot/Funeral" CD / Full Band InterviewI've got to say, it's great to have a chance and excuse to explore the liminal worlds of Shudder To Think even further. They're always one of my favorite groups to interview so it was great to catch up with Craig, Stu, Chris and Mike again. And don't worry, it's not me and Jeff rehashing the same things we said last episode about the release. We got our friends Drew Lichtenberg and Scott Sheridan to drop by and drop the needle for us (i.e- break down their thoughts on the release and the band). Hope its as much f...
2022-06-013h 45End On EndSHUDDER TO THINK "Funeral At The Movies"One of my favorite Dischord releases of this era, Shudder To Think's "funeral At The Movies" is the subject of today's show. No guests this week, so Jeff and I get caffeinated and go deep and wide with this one. Next episode's guests more than make up for this week's dearth.
2022-05-202h 54End On EndDAG NASTY "Can I Say/Wig Out" CD / Peter Cortner and Mike GitterHoly Baker, our second longest episode ever! Two albums, one CD. Two guests, one vision. Two cohosts, one long spew of commentary. Well, if any band or release deserves an extra long deep dive, it's this one. Mike Gitter always brings great historic insight and was something of a hardcore Zelig. Peter Cortner needs no introduction. One of the most recognizable voices and singer on one of the most beloved Dischord releases. He doesn't do many interviews and it meant the world that he agreed to be a part of this episode. Listen all at once or in c...
2022-05-074h 46End On EndJAWBOX "Grippe"We begin 1991 on the show with our Jawbox "Grippe" episode. Because of some last minute hold ups we don't have any interviews this time, just Jeff and I blabbing and pontificating form a couple hours and some change. The recent recut of the album is a great upgrade in sonics. Hear if we agree on our takes (hint - we don't) on this important release, Apologies for Jeff sounding like he beaned in on an AM signal for this (we're working out the bugs with his mic).
2022-04-222h 29End On EndSOULSIDE "Soon Come Happy" / Bobby SullivanWrapping up the early Soulside catalog with this comp CD, we take an overview of the band's trajectory and anticipate the upcoming lp. These guys were an important link in DC punk for me, both musically and spiritually. Hopefully this episode does them justice. Thankfully, Bobby Sullivan swings by the EOE offices to share his perspective and stories on the early days of Soulside. I've got to admit, I'm pretty proud of this episode.
2022-04-082h 51End On EndTHE SNAKES "Happy" / Michael HamptonEveryone's favorite Dischord band's second release is celebrated on this episode! The Snakes final record "Happy". In all seriousness, this is a bit of a hidden gem of the catalog. Catchy power-pop careens against moody new wave and ornate 60s pop has babies with 80s dance music. Such is the world of Michael Hampton and Simon Jacobson's bedroom project gone awry. It was an honor to talk to Hampton, one of the most creative and melodic guitarists to emerge from the DC scene. Ben Merlis cohosts this one!
2022-04-022h 52End On EndLUNGFISH "Necklace Of Heads" / Mitchell FeldsteinThe time has come...when worlds (or Brian's podcasts) collide. This episode Brian and Jeff talk about the debut from the almighty Lungfish. Strap in with your space goggles and bible. Dischord goes prophetic. Later in the show Mitchell Feldstein and Lawrence Bertoldi chime in on this record and time/space via clips from Brian's podcast The Unanimous Hour!
2022-03-193h 47End On EndSKEWBALD/GRAND UNION "S/T"If you've already posted your Dischord 200 pics to social media and listened to the bonus disc included, you may be searching for somehow more archival Ian-related music from before the storm of Revolution Summer hit. Look no farther! The Skewbald/Grand Union 7" is your ticket to four minutes of "what if?" bliss. That's the subject of today's show and you may be surprised by our somewhat hot takes on the recording. Friend of the show (and vocalist for Locked Inside) Ed Mckirdy also drops some thoughts on the release, Come on in, everyones' invited!
2022-03-102h 06End On EndGRAY MATTER "Take It Back/Food For Thought" CDWe've already done shows on both of the releases compiled on this CD, but somehow we found more to say (believe it or not,..). No guests this go round, just Brian and Jeff battling it out about Gray Matter. Listen in on the perpetual argument!
2022-03-031h 37End On EndGRAY MATTER "Food For Thought" / Bert QueirozThis week we take the time machine back to 1985 for Gray Matter's debut lp, Food For Thought. Echoes of 60s garage, early 70s rock and late 70s English punk infuse the sound of these old soul high school kids on this album. In addition to digging in track by track with Jeff, we talk to producer, R and B label owner and bassist extraordinaire Bert Queiroz.
2022-02-183h 38End On EndFIDELITY JONES "Venus On Lovely/Destructor" / Full band interviewIt's always been a mystery to me, why Fidelity Jones never fully got their due. This band was driven, righteous, fierce musicians and a band that always brought it live. Maybe it was that the first record didn't fully capture the magic they were capable of. Thank God they put this single out, to set things right. This is damn near perfect piece of plastic. Hopefully this show can help bring some new folks to the band and inspire some to revisit the band's spiritual protest songs. We got to sit down with everyone in the band a second...
2022-02-113h 17End On EndTHE NATION OF ULYSSES "S/T" / Tim GreenAnd so it begins,...the next chapter of punk to come. Nation Of Ulysses were many contradictory impulses at once. A raw howl of primal punk noise, a highly literate and clever underground resistance philosophy disguised as a hardcore group of teens, a highly self conscious group of outsiders dressing as the hipster elite, a movement, a band, an art movement. Were they successful? Did they live up to their lofty aims? Did any of them get "canceled"? Many mysteries without answers. Anyhow, today we go undercover and infiltrate the cult of Ulysses. Can't say it wasn't unexpectedly a b...
2022-02-042h 24End On EndSHUDDER TO THINK "Ten Spot" / Full band interviewSpoiler Alert : We love Shudder To Think! Thusly, it was an honor and blast to dive into the liminal state of this record's environs, as well as speak with the entire band. Episodes like this one are the reason I do this podcast. Enjoy!
2022-01-193h 06End On EndJAWBOX "S/T" EP / Adam WadeAs we move into the 90s Dschord catalog and start a brand new year, what better way than with a band that pretty much epitomized the 90s post hc sound. that's right, we've finally arrived at the beginning of the Jawbox dynasty. Along for the ride this week is drummer Adam Wade, who drummed in not one, but two of the best bands of that era (Jawbox and Shudder To Think, respectively). Come for the stories, stay for the music!
2022-01-082h 51End On EndFUGAZI "Repeater Plus Three Songs" / Ted Niceley, Artie Philie and Josh EricksonWe've come to the third movie ( oops, I mean compact disc) in the Repeater Trilogy! This is the capstone on the blather from Jeff and I on this release, plus we had a special guest cohost with us this time. That's right, it's the return of Aldred to the show. If all that weren't enough, Repeater producer Ted Niceley joins us for a third time, as well. Artie Phillie talks with Jeff about booking Fugazi and his old band, Indecision, covering them, and Josh Erickson, who runs the We Need An Instrument Instagram page, drops by to talk about...
2021-12-243h 26End On EndFUGAZI "REPEATER" / Ted NiceleyDamn, no need for words up top on this one. I think everyone knows how massive and how important this release is. Not sure four hours and change was enough time to cover it all, ha. This episode features-art one of a two part Ted Nicely interview about producing Repeaeter. One of my favorite interviews of his. 1-2-3-go!
2021-12-104h 16End On EndFUGAZI "3 Songs" / Ted Niceley3 Songs! Two hosts! One interview! No bullshit! Join us as we navigate the contours of Fugazi's 3rd release, talk to producer Ted Niceley and miraculously keep it concise.
2021-12-012h 03End On EndHOLY ROLLERS "As Is" / Marc LambiotteThis week we dig into the Holy Rollers' first LP, As Is. This one was a pleasant surprise. Lots of hidden gems to discover if you take the time with this band. Jeff and I are joined by a couple of members of the Patreon group (Drew Lichtenberg and Scott Sheridan) to roundtable the discussion and we had blast! Right after the record talk, we chat with Holy Rollers guitarist, Marc Lambiotte. Stay connected, stay involved, stay in touch!
2021-11-253h 31End On EndFIDELITY JONES "Piltdown Lad" / Full band interviewOne of the sleeper gems of the Dischord catalog here. It was a fun conversation/listen/full band interview. Where else are you going to hear talk of Jethro Tull, the Shakers, veganism and Mothers Finest on a podcast about one record?
2021-11-043h 29End On EndMINOR THREAT "Discography" / Mark Haggerty, Jason Hamacher and Luke DolanSome could argue that Dischord is the house that Minor threat built. None could argue with their place in the cannon of the greatest heavy bands of the 20th century. Join us as we tiptoe through the hits on this career spanning episode, As an added bonus, Ben "Edge" Merlis guest stars as third cohost. Luke Dolan from Latest God stops by. As does Mark Haggerty from iron Cross and Gray Matter. Lastly, Jason Hamacher reminds us "there's no place like home,...". It's a rip roaring good time
2021-10-293h 27End On EndIGNITION "The Orafying Mysticle Of..." / Dante Ferrando and Rudi JungWith this episode, we come to the final transmission of the great Ignition. Perhaps the most realized release? You'll have to tune in to find out. Jeff and I really go under the hood with this one, pulling spark plugs and kicking tires and all that jazz. We had the pleasure of talking to drummer Dante Ferrando and also hearing about Rudi Jung's love of the band, as well as how they were involved in a life changing event for him. This is one not to be missed!
2021-10-143h 07End On EndKARATE "The Bed Is In the Ocean" / Geoff FarinaOn today's episode we dive into Dischord number...oh wait, this is another surprise non-Dischord episode! I know we said we would save these for Patreon, but this was too much fun and we wanted to share a chunk of the Patreon interview with Geoff Farina with you here. Karate is a band that seems to get better with age, and so thank god Numero Group is in the process of reissuing their catalog. Anyhow, pull up a chair and listen to Jeff and I wax poetic about the band, then listen to the beginning of my conversation with...
2021-10-062h 48End On EndSOULSIDE "Hot Bodi Gram" / Full Band InterviewThis week we discuss an album ahead of it's time, and if our times have caught up. That's right, Soulside's Hot Bodi Gram. This one took years to grow on me, but has stayed with me longer and deeper than the rest of the records in the band's catalog. Jeff and I peer under the hood and kick the tires own this one, then Scott Torguson (Amber Inn/Wet The Rope) drops by to talk about his longstanding love for the record, and finally the boys in the band discuss the tour and record that tore them apart, but...
2021-09-163h 37End On EndFIRE PARTY "New Orleans Opera" / Full Band InterviewFire Party created some of the most challenging and forward-thinking music to come out on Dischord. They are also criminally underrated. Hopefully we can help do something about that. These four women are some of the most thoughtful, connected and artistically minded folks I've talked to. It was a pleasure to catch up with them again and fill in the gaps in the Fire Party narrative. Listen to this record as soon as you finish the episode! Moderately loud.
2021-09-092h 59End On EndFUGAZI "13 Songs" / Chris Shary, Greg Raelson and Scott HicksToday we're talking about another landmark Dischord release. Fugazi's compilation of the first two 12's on one CD, "13 Songs". Joining us this week is a virtual calvacade of guests talking about what this disc meant to them. This episode features clips from author/musician/EOE guest cohost Ben Merlis and Ian James Wright from The Alphabetical Fugazi podcast. We also had conversations with Chris Shary (artist extraordinaire), Scott Hicks (Totally Slow/Rights Reserved) and Greg Raelson (Celebration Summer). This band and this release has left an indelible imprint on innumerable peoples' lives, including ours!
2021-09-013h 31End On EndFUGAZI "Margin Walker" / Joe LallyThis week we're incredibly excited to serve up another serving of Fugazi. We had a blast dissecting and ingesting their second release, Margin Walker. And we talked to Joe #1! Even for the hardcore Fugazi-heads, I guarantee there's a few things in this episode that you probably didn't know! I know I learned a few things. Take the ride....
2021-08-183h 15End On EndSOULSIDE "Bass/103" / Scott McCloud and Alexis FleisigBack for more Soulside! There's no such thing as too much, in my opinion. And this little gem of a record was truly important to my youth and conception of what you could accomplish with hardcore. Guitarist Scott McCloud and drummer Alexis Fleisig drop by and drop some science. We're excited to share this one with you guys. Yo, check this out (and leave your power tools at home)!
2021-08-112h 27End On EndHOLY ROLLERS "Origami Sessions"This episode Jeff and Brian explore the unchartered territory of the Holy Rollers. It's always fun to begin the journey of a new band on the show, and this one's no different. An unconventional and convincingly rocking power trio, the Holy Rollers brought new blood and a new mixture of influences to Dischord. Tune in for our thoughts on their Geoff Turner produced initial foray.
2021-08-041h 30End On EndVILE CHERUBS "Post Humorous Relief" / Jesse Quitslund, Tim Green and Seth LorincziOn today's episode Brian and Jeff dig out and dig one the most unheard and underrated Dischord releases, #33 1/3 "Post Humorous Relief" by the Vile Cherubs. Most of the members went on to play in much celebrated later DC bands, but this is one of those hidden gems of a record that hopefully we can shine a light on and get folks to search it out. Mixing 60s inspired riffs with punk rock energy, these guys were both ahead of and out of time. It was incredibly cool to get to interview Jesse, Seth and Tim for the show. Hope...
2021-07-213h 45End On End3 "Dark Days Coming" / Geoff Turner, Mark Haggerty and Steve NilesIf you have not yet heard this album, go find it online and listen to that before listening to this! This is one of those LPs I think everyone should hear, especially if you are a fan of the music and asthetic Dischord embodies. Dark Days Coming is that good. It was a joy to talk to Geoff Turner and Mark Haggerty again, and even better to have Steve Niles along for the conversational journey, as well. With Jeff Nelson, these three (3) guys made up one of the best, tightest and most tuneful short-lived Dischord bands. They left behind...
2021-07-143h 20End On EndSTATE OF THE UNION "Side Two" / Mark AndersenSo on this episode we flip over the record and dig into side two of the State Of The Union compilation. Guest and comp curator Mark Andersen (Positive Force/We Are Family/Dance Of Days) returns to drop some more background on these tracks and share his PMA and inspiration!
2021-06-303h 24End On EndSTATE OF THE UNION - V/A Side One / Mark AndersenThis episode we dig into the fertile soil of late 80's era DC punk and the social activism that sprouted around it, through the portal of Dischord's second compilation, State Of The Union. We also have an in depth interview with Positive Force founder/Dance Of Days author/We Are Family cofounder Mark Andersen. Did If you aren't moved and inspired by his words, we'll refund your money in full!
2021-06-224h 29End On EndIGNITION "Machination"We knew this day would come...the day we couldn't herd any Dischord cats onto the show for an episode. Truth be told, this is more like the third or fourth time. Regardless, on today's show Jeff and I had a blast navigating the murky (production) waters of the by turns brilliant, by turns frustrating Ignition LP. After last week's five hour show, it felt relatively relaxing to spend a mere couple hours on Ignition. They were one of the best live bands of their time.
2021-06-092h 10End On EndFUGAZI "S/T" / Guy Picciotto and Ted NiceleyHard to believe we're already at the first Fugazi record. This one was huge for us (and we're not just talking the length of the episode!). Join Brian, Jeff and recurring guest/cohost Ben, if you dare. No doubt this is a long ride, but well worth the time invested. Not only do you get to hear us all rap elegiac about this perfect 12", but Fugazi producer, Ted Nicely lends his time and insight into the making of this classic. Later in the show we have an engaging and thoughtful conversation with Guy Picciotto. Listen in chunks!
2021-06-025h 08End On EndSOULSIDE "Trigger" / Bobby Sullivan, Johnny Temple and Alexis FleisigSoulside are back! Trigger is a record that needs to be in everyone's collection. Way ahead of it's time sonically, lyrically and philosophically. Listen to Brian and guest cohost Greg break down just how important this release is and what it means to them personally. We also had the great honor of speaking to three fourths of the band, singer Bobby Sullivan, bassist Johnny Temple and drummer Alexis Fleisig. Listen to this, then go listen to the record! That's an order.
2021-05-263h 31End On EndFIRE PARTY "S/T" / Amy Pickering, Natalie Avery, Nicky Thomas and Kate SamworthToday on the show Brian and Jeff discuss the layered, primal expression of Fire Party. Yes, they were the first all female Dischord band, but that is only one part of the story. These women created some of the most accomplished and under appreciated music on the label. Hopefully this episode will encourage more folks to discover (or re-discover) their burning brilliance. It was a real gift to get the whole band together for the interview, and this was one of the most rewarding episodes for me. The world needs more bands like Fire Party. Hard to believe this...
2021-05-112h 53End On EndMINOR THREAT "Live At 930 Club" Video / Jim SaahToday we get to talk about the greatest hardcore band ever once again. Minor Threat! Along for the ride into the weeds is Ben Merlis. Later Jim Saah (Legendary photographer/coproducer of the Salad Days documentary) joins us for a talk about what the band meant to him, as well as how and why he's been documenting the DC scene since 1982!
2021-05-043h 14End On EndSHUDDER TO THINK "It Was Arson" / Craig Wedren and Stuart HillWow, it's hard to believe we're already moving into the next era of Dischord history with this release. Welcome to 1988, this record heralded a sound and spirit unlike anything you've heard before in DC or on Dischord. This is a feral, untamed and unashamed beautiful beast of a vibration. It spoke of possibilities and dreams, of angelic harmonies and swirling energy. Join us for the origin story of this most unusual jewel in the label's crown, as Brian and Jeff uncover the magic and later talk to singer Craig Wedren and bassist Stuart Hill!
2021-04-273h 09End On EndiGNITION "Anger Means/Proven Hollow"No interviews this episode, but plenty to talk about, when you're talking about a band as melodic, volatile, energetic and politically minded as Ignition! Is one of these tracks one of the best punk songs of the 80's? Only one way to find out. Listen on, fearless poDCore fans. We unveil a long lost Doc Hopper cover, hear from Mark O' Conner (Daycare Swindlers) and Tim Green (Nation Of Ulysses/Vile Cherubs) and "mad" Ben Merlis crashes the party. Two songs, two hours, too much fun!
2021-04-131h 56End On EndDAG NASTY "Wig Out At Denkos" / Doug Carrion and Kevin EganThis record is probably one of the most popular releases on the label. Wig Out challenged conventions and stretched boundaries. Was it too far or the proverbial sweet spot? This episode we explore these questions and more. We go under the hood on Dag Nasty's second album, Wig Out At Denkos with bassist Doug Carrion (Dag Nasty/Descendents/Field Day), singer Kevin Egan (Beyond/1.6 Band) and podcasters Dom and Sam from the Bad Music Taste podcast.Can't believe we made it to 50. Here's to 100! If you enjoy the show, consider helping support our efforts on Patreon at the End...
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Talk About the Passion#77: Restless Movement In An Empty Room (A Conversation With Brian Gathy)Episode 77 is a conversation with Brian Gathy. Brian hosts the excellent podcast End on End which is covering the entire Dischord Records catalog by release. Brian along with his co-host Jeff do an amazing job digging deep into these records, and have had a who's who of Dischord related folks on the podcast. We of course talk quite a bit about Brian's time getting into music in Washington DC, seeing shows at The Wilson Center and we talk about the process of podcasting, something I was looking forward to talking about. Great conversation, great guest. Brian will definitely be...
2021-04-061h 24End On EndSCREAM "Banging The Drum" / Skeeter Enoch Thompson and Greg PolardScream's third album was a bold and ambitious statement. On it, they embraced their rock roots and dug into their populist convictions. This record ages better than one would expect. Join Brian and Jeff as they navigate it's adventuous waters. Skeeter Enoch Thompson returns for a very heartfelt and entertaining conversation. Our brother in arms in the hardcore podcasting universes,Greg Polard, from the Where It Went pod, also teams up with the boys to discuss all things Scream-team. See you guys at 50!
2021-03-313h 48End On EndEMBRACE "S/T" / Ivor Hanson and Jim SpellmanEmbrace weren't long for this world, but in their just-shy-of-a-year existence they created some of the most enduring, vulnerable and explosive, yet richly textured music in Dischord history. I never saw a good Embrace show. They were all ridiculously great! Drummer Ivor Hanson sits down with Brian in the virtual End On End studio and openly discusses the challenges and musical epiphanies he experienced during that heady time of exploration and Revolution Summer. Jim Spellman (Foxhall Stacks/Velocity Girl/High Back Chairs) also waxes elegantly on why this very LP is his all-time favorite Dischord release. And yes,...Jeff "K...
2021-03-163h 41End On EndBEEFEATER "House Burning Down" / Onam Emmet, Dug E Bird and Nicky ThomasBeefeater were an anomaly. A punk band who played gospel covers, a funk band who preached vegetarianism and spirituality, a social justice mobilization collective in the guise of a band. They were, above all, hard to pin down. Everyone listening to today's episode should hunt down the Youtube live footage after checking out the show. They were a force to be reckoned with live. It was great to virtually sit down with Onam (Tomas) and Dug again and hear the inspiration for the art they created and what they remember most about those days. Nicky, who played percussion and...
2021-03-093h 03End On EndMARGINAL MAN "Double Image" / Steve Polcari, Pete Murray and Mike ManosMarginal Man were a key DC band in the 80s. Their music fused razor sharp changes with hooks most bands would kill for. Live, they were pure unbridled energy and celebratory spirit. Having the chance to chat with 3/5 of the band for this episode meant a lot to me. Here's hoping we get a chance to speak with the rest of the band for their final release. Steve Polcari, "sweet" Pete Murray and Mike Manos are three of the most genuine guys I've met. Hope you enjoy the episode and more importantly, go listen to Marginal Man!
2021-03-013h 50End On EndSOULSIDE "Less Deep Inside Keeps" / Scott McCloud and Shawna KenneyTo me, Soulside really embodied conscious punk that pushed boundaries and spoke equally in metaphor and direct action. Today's album in question captures the sound and energy of a band about to take leap into the deep waters of vulnerable/strong self expression. You can almost hear their impatience to get there on this record. We hear from guitarist Scott McCloud about the history and motivations the band. Author Shawna Kenney drops by to talk Soulside memories and a special mystery guest also makes their presence loudly known.
2021-02-163h 23End On EndRITES OF SPRING “All Through A Life” / Tom MullenBrian and Ben revisit and reconsider the second and final record of Rites Of Spring’s short but intense incarnation. Ton Mullen, from Washed Up Emo, stops by to talk about why he loves this record, this band and even the dreaded “E” word. Brian’s friend, Jason Kooken also chimes in with a story about when he first heard this as a teen in the 80s Va suburbs. Contact us at : endonendpod@gmail.com
2021-02-092h 37End On EndGRAY MATTER "Take It Back" / Geoff Turner and Mark HaggertyI truly wore this record out growing up. Join me and guest cohost, Ben Merlis for a deep dive into the making of Take It Back with guitarist/singer Geoff Turner and guitarist Mark Haggerty. They also discuss playing music together since early teen years and the history and future of the band. In case you hadn't noticed, this is officially the longest EOE episode to date. Don't be daunted, just listen to this the way I listen to any podcast, in bite-sized chunks. Enjoy!
2021-02-024h 19End On EndEGG HUNT "Two Songs" / Todd FriendOn our second episode of 2021 we dive into Egg Hunt's complete catalog and career! This record is the two founders of Dischord's only post-Threat release. We examine the backstory of the recording date and even get some commentary from a member of the ill-fated band they tried to create out of these tracks. Then Todd Friend from H2O drops by the EOE headquarters to talk about why he loves this record. This is a blink and it's gone episode, so don't blink!
2021-01-182h 22End On EndDAG NASTY "Can I Say" / Dave SmalleySpoiler alert : this is Jeff's favorite Dischord record...so it was a treat for him to sit down and talk to Dave Smalley for another in-depth interview, this time centering around the classic Dag Nasty era. Writer/professor Marc Bayard also drops by to discuss how Can I Say changed his life. We're pretty proud of this one!
2021-01-113h 55End On EndTHE SNAKES "I Won't Love You 'Til You're More Like Me" / Simon Jacobsen and Hunter BennettWell, this was a big episode on many accounts. For one, we moved the rock that one of the Snakes was hiding under and uncovered some deep archeological alternative music history. It was great to hear Simon Jacobsen's stories of DC lore and lore of wild, studious prep school punk rock mischief. The Snakes were an anomaly in the scene and especially on Dischord. So what better episode to celebrate the month that marks the 40th year or Diischord records. We also talk to Dot Dash's dashing articulate epicurean bassist and author, Hunter Bennett. Finally, Ben Merlis chimes in...
2020-12-243h 24End On EndLUNCHMEAT/MISSION IMPOSSIBLE "Split 7"" / Bobby Sullivan and Chris PageHello, fancy meeting you here,...care to step into my 1985 time-machine? This one is steeped in high school energy and hardcore optimism, self determination and awkward yet genuine connection. Yes, this episode Brian fell face first into the nostalgia vortex (at Jeff's urging, of course). Other highlights include a by turns humorous, by turns philosophic conversation with Bobby Sullivan about the early days of Lunchmeat and how they transformed into Soulside. Chris Page articulates what the DC scene and Mission Impossible meant to him growing up, how and why they teamed up with Lunchmeat, as well as how those...
2020-12-153h 46End On EndGOVERNMENT ISSUE "Joyride/Fun " / Tom LyleThis episode we take another divergence from the Dischord saga to celebrate Government Issue's first couple non-Dischord albums, Joyride and The Fun Just Never Ends. These were two records that meant a lot to me and it was a true pleasure to be able to get granular with the legendary Tom Lyle. This is the second installment of an interview series we're doing with Tom unspooling the DNA of GI's body of songs. Long live Stabb!
2020-12-072h 56End On EndBEEFEATER "Plays for Lovers" / Onam Emmet. Dug E Bird, Bruce Taylor and Lars Von KeitzToday Jeff and I talk about one of the most divisive as well as important Dischord bands. These guys carved their own path and wore their heart and politics on their sleeve. One of the earliest progenitors of punk-funk, they also blended jazz and metal into their expression. I felt blessed to be able to talk to not just one, but all of the surviving members of Beefeater. They truly put the revolution in Revolution Summer. We also got to talk to one of my oldest friends, Lars from the DC band Thorns, about how Beefeater affected him and...
2020-11-234h 04End On EndRITES OF SPRING "S/T" / Brendan Canty and Matt RyanNot much needs to be said about this one. Not much can be said. The self-titled Rites Of Spring LP is my all-time favorite Dischord release. It was an honor to have the opportunity to talk to Brendan Canty about the record and the band in general. We also got Matt Ryan (Bitter Branches/Calvary) to share a bit about what this record meant to him. "Drink deep..."
2020-11-164h 03End On EndARTICLES OF FAITH THROUGH DEAD ENDING / The Journey of Vic BondiOn this weeks show, we take another field trip. This time to Chicago (by way of Seattle and many other towns) to talk to the legendary Vic Bondi. He not only has a PHD in History, he helped create the genre of hardcore and talks with us about the history of the movement and also the history of politics in this country. We ended up talking mere hours after the announcement of the election results. Most of his musical projects are briefly covered and lots besides. Steve Hansgen also gives a mini-view about our feature artist in the Stepping...
2020-11-103h 17End On EndREPTILE HOUSE "I Stumble As The Crow Flies" / London May and Daniel HiggsReptile House occupied imaginal space outside the harDCore landscape, yet infiltrated it regularly. They trafficked in dark, psych-infused poetry driven by an engine of otherworldly postpunk propulsion. This band was the seed that sprouted Lungfish and introduced the world to one Daniel Strasser/Higgs, a shaman-poet in training. It was a pleasure to re-enter the Reptile House and talk to London May about the origins of the band, as well as his work with some other bands you may've heard of, as well as his acting career. Dan Higgs is also represented, from a portion of an interview I...
2020-10-273h 27End On EndSCREAM "This Side Up" / Franz Stahl and Kent StaxThose VA boys strike again!This time it was with an album that blew almost everything else at the time away. Scream were one of the hardest working bands around and with these songs and this recording, adding Harley to the lineup on second guitar, they took their songwriting to the next level (and in my mind, their absolute peak). Jeff and I discuss the bands brilliant second LP, though as usual, we take many side-roads to get there. Franz and Kent fill in the details they remember (these were decidedly not straight edge dudes, ya know). It was...
2020-10-193h 32End On EndMINOR THREAT "Salad Days" / Jon Roa, Chris Estrada and Jeremy DeanToday we come to the end of an era for harDCore, Minor Threat's "Salad Days" release. In this mega-sode, Brian and Jeff have conversations with Jon Roa (Justice League/Eyerlid), comedian Chris Estrada and graphic designer Jeremy Dean (Jade Tree/Grateful Dead). We get input from a couple professional photographers and Steve Hansgen. It's only three songs, but yes, it takes the EOE boys four hours to explore every inch of every song. Time is an illusion. right?
2020-10-134h 00End On EndDON ZIENTARA / Inner Ear studio owner and musicianThis episode was a real treat for us. Don Zientara's importance as a producer cannot be overstated. He produced and engineered almost every single Dischord release. On this episode he talks about his philosophy of capturing a band's essence, tells a few funny stories from his early years and just generally really gives us a fly on the wall perspective into the Inner Ear control room.Listen all the way through, you won't regret it!
2020-10-082h 08End On EndFOUR OLD 7's ON A 12" / Nathan Stejcek, Barry Henssler, Gary Bennett, Mark "O Connor and Vinny SegarraThis week Brian and Jeff look back and laugh, with a little help from their friends. The topic and release is the LP collection of the first Eps by Teen Idles, SOA, Government Issue and Youth Brigade! Gather distantly social, around the campfire and listen to these tales from long, long ago about a mythical scene that was chockablock with heroes and villains and morality tales of timeless import. Starring Nathan Stejcek as himself (Teen Idles/Youth Brigade), Barry Henssler as the comical sidekick (Necros), Gary Bennett as the whimsical scamp (Kill Your idols), Mark O' Connor as the s...
2020-09-283h 25End On EndMARGINAL MAN "Identity" / Steve PolcariThis week we cover one of my favorite live bands, Marginal Man. Jeff and I discuss how 'Identity" holds up 36 years latter, as well as go into a little off their history. I also talk about my experience seeing them a healthy amount and what the record meant to me growing up. We also had the immense pleasure ands honor of talking to singer, Steve Polcari. Strap in, folks, this is a good one!
2020-09-212h 17End On EndMINOR THREAT "S/T" / Gary Bennett, Aesop Dekker and Kevin SalkWell, here we are, for our first of many revisits to the Minor Threat cannon. Today we talk to amazing punk rock photographer, Kevin Salk, Gary Bennett (Kill Your Idols/Black Anvil) and Aesop Dekker (Hickey/Ludicra). Everyone chimes in on what makes Minor Threat so damn special and gives personal insight and stories around experiences with the band and their music. In a very short time, Minor Threat left a huge legacy of both great youth anthems and also a blueprint for how to conduct yourself as a band on a mission.
2020-09-142h 47End On EndLIFE AND ART AFTER THE BIG BOYS / Tim Kerr part twoWell, my conversation with Tim Kerr was so good I couldn't chop it up and leave so much of it unheard, so this episode starts exactly where the last one (and our talk) left off. In this one, he talks about his philosophy, his art and all the bands he did after Big Boys. He tells the story of Poison 13, Jack O' Fire, Monkeywrench, Lord High Fixers, Total Sound Group Direct Action Committee and Up Around the Sun,. This is not so much about DC, but is a great listen and Tim is a principled man of action, but...
2020-09-041h 21End On EndBIG BOYS and beyond / Tim KerrThis week Brian and Jeff take a field trip down to Austin, TX to talk to the legendary Tim Kerr. Tim is walking punk rock history and the embodiment of all that makes it a positive, creative force in the world (of course Tim prefers the term DIY to punk, but that is semantics). Tim has played in Big Boys, Poison 13, Jack O Fire, Monkeywrench, Lord High Fixers, King Sound Quartet, Now Time Delegation, Total Sound Group Direct Action Committee and Up Around The Sun. By the time you hear this, he'll have probably started a new musical project...
2020-08-312h 32End On EndFAITH "Subject To Change" / Chris Stover and Aaron PagdonFaith are a band most lovers of the early years of Dischord can agree on, and a big reason, for those who didn't have the opportunity to see them live, is the record we talk about on today's show. This record withstands the gravity of history and sounds just as captivating and urgent today as it did in 1983. Why? Well, that is precisely the question this episode and everyone on it explores in some depth. Is it a call to arms? Is it a bold statement of emotional vulnerability and musical evolution? Is it the precursor to all things "...
2020-08-242h 17End On EndUNITED MUTATION "Fugitive Family" / Jay Fox and Michael BrownThis weeks episode we take left turn into the twilight zone, and talk to Jay and Mike from the infamous and infinitely creative United Mutation. These guys were channeling some intense, scary, psychedelic and absurdist demons thought heir music. It was music that sought to exorcise the White House and liberate the underground. Along the way, they dropped the arcane artifact we talk about in this "mini" episode, "Fugitive Family", another in the long line of Dischord algebra fraction releases. Both Jay and Mike shed insight on it's creation and intent and share some great stories, as well. Bring s...
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End On EndGOVERNMENT ISSUE "Boycott Stabb" / Tom LyleThis week we talk about the first release of the classic line-up of Government Issue, "Boycott Stabb". It's a record that was important to both me and Jeff growing up. GI were one of my favorite bands to see live. John Stabb was, by turns, thoroughly intense, vulnerable and hilarious on stage. Tom Lyle always played at a crushing volume with extreme precision. Marc Alberstadt was one of the best drummers of the era. The bassist slot was always rotating, but always excellent players. This record is, in many ways , the re-birth of the band and the beginning of...
2020-08-103h 34End On EndDOUBLE O - "You've Lost" / Rich Moore and Aaron PagdonThis week Brian and Jeff dig into the extremely underrated and even more rare Double O split releases on Dischord. These guys clearly had one foot in the past and one in the future. At least two of the tracks on it are stone classics. Brian talks to drummer Rich Moore and Jeff's friend/bandmate/musical mentor Aaron Pagdon chimes in with a fun record collecting story and an appreciation of the band. Here's hoping they find (and release) that second recording with Jason.
2020-08-033h 08End On EndSteve Hansgen Pt 2Steve Hansgen has such an important story to tell that we couldn't limit it to one episode! On this deep dive into his work we revisit Minor Threat, as well as get into topics like his time in Government Issue, Second Wind, Emma Peel, and Sleep Of Reason. We also talk addiction, family, the nature of the scene and just what he's learned from all this. This is one of my personal favorite interviews. Enjoy!
2020-07-271h 32End On EndMINOR THREAT "Out Of Step" / Steve HansgenWell, this week's release is another landmark in the Dischord catalog. When Minor Threat first pressed this, they sold 3500 copies in the first week. I'm not sure it's slowed down since. There's a reason. The music contained within is both revolutionary and timeless. These guys were firing on all cylinders by this point and there's simply no denying the ferocity and focused intensity of this LP. Every band member was arguably operating at the peak of their ability and this music still sounds fresh, relevant and powerful today. Jeff and Brian dive in talking about this release like the o...
2020-07-213h 37End On EndSCOTT CRAWFORD / SALAD DAYS DOCUMENTARYToday's episode is a special celebration of the Salad Days documentary, along with a longform interview with director and all around good guy, Scott Crawford.
2020-07-132h 18End On EndSCREAM "Still Screaming" Side Two / Skeeter Enoch Thompson and Bobby MaddenStill Screaming part two! Skeeter Enoch Thompson! Bobby Madden!
2020-07-072h 12End On EndSCREAM "Still Screaming' Side One / Pete StahlHere we go with another record so good, so classic that we needed to do two episodes on it (otherwise it'd be a four and a half hour episode!). Still Screaming holds a special place in my heart and record collection. Songs of love and revolution, community and expression. Vocalist Pete Stahl stops by to fill in some history and catch us up on Scream Team's post-Corona plans for the next phase of the band. I really can't say enough about this one!
2020-07-072h 10End On EndIRON CROSS "Skinhead Glory" / Sab Grey, Mark Haggerty and Mark LinskeyDischord 8.5 is a controversial and musically important addition to the catalog. Iron Cross have left a fascinating and complicated legacy. Brian and Jeff dive in headfirst. We also talk to the man at the center of it all, Sab Grey. We also sit down with the very first and one of the last Iron Cross guitarists, Mark Haggerty and Mark Linskey.
2020-06-292h 50End On EndFAITH / VOID - "VOID" / Chris Stover/Matthias Weeks/John SybertThis week we confront the insanely addictive demons that inhabit side two of the landmark Faith/Void split LP. This one was close to both Brian and Jeff's hearts. Such ferocity and power has seldom been captured on vinyl. We rant and ramble as usual and also talk to Chris Stover (bassist of Void!), as well as Matthias Weeks (Current/Calvary/Ottawa) and John Sybert (Eye 95 Records/The Undecided). Be sure to leave a review if you enjoy the show and drop us a line at : endonendpod@gmail.com
2020-06-152h 54End On EndFAITH / VOID - "FAITH Side" / Chris EstradaThis week Brian and Jeff drop the needle on one of the most celebrated split records of all time. In fact, this is another record that's just too good to tackle in one episode. So this week we talk side "F". The Faith side is really the prequel to the whole Revolution Summer era, as well as Youth Crew SxE and so much more. This side is truly an enigma with a complex and insular heart. Our guest, comedian Chris Estrada, gives great insight into what this record meant to him, also what it was like to grow up...
2020-06-082h 17End On EndBonus Boston Episode - Dave Smalley / Jonathan Anastas / Mike GitterIn this special episode Jeff shares the full interviews he did with three pillars of the Boston hardcore scene!
2020-06-052h 12End On EndSS DECONTROL "The Kids Will Have Their Say" / Nancy Barile (Guest Appearance By Al!) Plus Commentary By Many Of The Original Boston CrewPut on your seatbelts, kids.This episode we're taking a road trip up to Boston! Dischord 7.5 is SSD's "The Kids Will Have Their Say", a hands-down historic and game-changing record in early hXc. Al Barile expanded Ian's idea of straight edge from a personal statement into a social and political movement with this LP. We had the pleasure of talking to Nancy Barile (a key mover and shaker in both the early Philly and Boston scenes, who writes and speaks with passion and insight about those times), Al Barile crashes the interview in the best, most unexpected way possible...
2020-06-012h 47End On EndFlex Your Head V/A - Side Two / Even More Interviews!Brian and Jeff go deep into the belly of the beast that is the second side of Flex Your Head. Join them as they scrape their ashes on the cave walls of DC music history. On their journey they talk to Pete Murray from Red C/Artificial Peace, Chris Stover from Void, Scott Crawford (director of the Salad Days documentary) and Sonny Kay from many bands (one of which even covered the entirety of Flex live!) and designer of the End On End logo. This is another long one, so you may want to strap in and bring plenty...
2020-05-183h 10End On End"Flex Your Head" V/A -Side One /Various InterviewsWe've arrived at the landmark first Dischord LP. The compilation that introduced the world to mighty creativity and energy percolating in D.C. This episode introduces my new cohost, Jeff, as well as takes a deep dive into all the bands on side one of FYH. We also feature interviews with Barry Henssler, Andy Nystrom, Brian Gay and Danny Ingram! Stay tuned for more interviews and opinions when we turn the record over next week and get into side two.
2020-05-112h 25End On EndYouth Brigade "Possible" / Danny IngramWelcome back, Dischord aficionados, this music both shaped and changed my life, and hopefully these audio travelouges will deepen your appreciation of the house that Ian built, plus all the great music made in the surrounding areas. This week we tackle the raging blast called Youth Brigade. Aldred and I discuss their English (musical) roots, how "No Song (2)" is the hardcore version of John Cage's "Silence" and many other interesting, non-essential musings. Then,...the mighty Danny Ingram stops by the virtual Endhouse to discuss his take on DC punk, Covid-19, and his own personal and musical journey. He covers...
2020-04-273h 24End On EndMinor Threat "In My Eyes" / Tyler SonnichsenThis episode we cover the classic Dischord #5, with an abundance of commentary by Brian and Aldred, as well as insights by writer, comedian, and cultural geographer, Tyler Sonnichsen! Be sure to check out his book, "Capitals of Punk", if you enjoy this interview.
2020-04-131h 48End On EndNecros "IQ 32" / Barry HensslerOn this weeks episode we dig into the influential Necros release "IQ32". It was both the first Dischord half-release (with Touch and Go), as well as the first release by a non-D.C. band. Brian and Aldred chat about/debate over the best tracks on the 10 song EP, then talk to Barry Henssler, Necros frontman, Motorbooty writer and all around natural storyteller. Hope this as fun to listen to as it was to record!
2020-04-062h 10End On EndGovernment Issue "Legless Bull" Part two / Brian GayDidn't get enough "Bull" last episode? Well, we've got an extra interview with bassist,Brian Gay. He's a great storyteller and insightful guy all around. This is truly not to be missed!
2020-03-3048 minEnd On EndGovernment Issue "Legless Bull" Part one / John BarryThis week is a surprise double episode exploring the first Government Issue release, "Legless Bull" (Dischord # 4). Brian and Aldred dive in and occasionally butt heads on this one. John Barry (guitarist extraordinaire) fills in lots of details and backstory regarding the first incarnation of GI. If you still haven't got your fix of GI's origin story, we continue the conversation with Brian Gay (low end navigator for the band) in the next episode. So, sit back and socially isolate with stories of DC's shamanic jester, John Stabb and the early days of harDCore!
2020-03-301h 52End On End"Who are you? Why am I here?!" Brian and Aldred's HC origin stories - Bonus EpisodeIn this very special viral bonus, Brian Gathy and Aldred Basiga do what they should've done the first episode and provide a little background on who they are and why they care about this music (and each other). Warning : this one gets pretty raw, vulnerable and occasionally dark (just like real life!). Enter at your own risk!
2020-03-2534 minEnd On EndMinor Threat "S/T" EPOn this episode we finally sink our teeth into the first hands-down classic release of the label. Prepare for the unbridled intensity and energy of the first Minor Threat EP. Unfortunately we have no guest this week on the show, but we make up for it with fun and insight. Play it faster!
2020-03-161h 17End On EndS.O.A "No Policy" / Michael HamptonOn our second episode, Brian and Aldred discuss Dischord's second release, SOA "No Policy" as well as it's hidden "rock opera", the definition of straight edge and random facts about Henry Rollins. In the second half, Michael Hampton stops by to talk about growing up in the DC scene and the recording of the EP. Put your seatbelt on, it's a hell of a ride! Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode and leave a review on Apple podcasts (it helps!).contact us at : endonendpod@gmail.com
2020-03-021h 35End On EndTeen Idles "Minor Disturbance"/Nathan StejcekIn our first "rough demo" of an episode, Nathan Stejcek (Teen Idles/Youth Brigade/ The Delarcos) joins us and shares many stories from the time of Dischord's inception, his time in Teen Idles, and what he's been up to lately. Before that, Aldred and Brian weigh in on "Minor Disturbance" and how it sounds to fresh ears 40 years later. Contact us at : endonendpod@gmail.com
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