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Test & Code237: FastAPI Cloud - Sebastián RamírezIn this episode, Brian interviews Sebastián Ramírez, creator of FastAPI, about its rapid rise in developer popularity and the launch of FastAPI Cloud. Sebastian explains how FastAPI Cloud addresses deployment challenges small teams face. He shares his transition from open-source to startup founder, focusing on simplifying deployment against the complexity of tools like Kubernetes.Links:FastAPI CloudFastAPISQLModelTyperOpenAPIPydanticSequoia Open Source Fellowship
2025-08-1236 minTest & Code
Test & Code236: Git Tips for Testing - Adam JohnsonIn this episode, host Brian Okken and guest Adam Johnson explore essential Git features, highlighted by Adam's updated book, "Boost Your Git DX." Key topics include "cherry picking" for selective commits"git stash" for managing in-progress work"git diff", and specifically its `--name-only` flag, which provides a streamlined method for developers to identify which files have changed, which can be used to determine which tests need to be run"git bisect" for efficiently pinpointing bugs. This conversation offers valuable strategies for developers at any skill level to enhance their Git proficiency and optimize their coding wor...
2025-07-3019 minTest & Code
Test & Code212: Canon TDD - by Kent BeckIn 2002, Kent Beck released a book called  "Test Driven Development by Example".In December of 2023, Kent wrote an article called "Canon TDD".With Kent's permission, this episode contains the full content of the article.Brian's commentary is saved for a followup episode.Links:Canon TDDTest Driven Development by Example
2024-01-1307 minPython People
Python PeopleBrett Cannon - Core Python, Fountain PensTopics:“I don't know about the rest of you... I came for the language, but I stayed for the community." Brett Cannon, Python Core Dev, Pycon US 2014 Opening remarksPublic speakingBeing encouraging to othersWhy CanadaMeanings of Back Bacon, Toque, and PopWalking in VancouverSnowshoeingPhilosophy and thinking logicallyProving the existence of GodRewriting code. “You’re probably going to have to write this 3 times before you’re happy with it.”1 week per month on technical debt.Fountain pensWriting a gratitude journalBooks“What goes on in your brain is not the same as everyone else’s.”"Steeped in the world of tea." - nice punLinks...
2023-07-261h 05Test & Code
Test & Code195: What would you change about pytest? - Anthony SottileAnthony Sottile and Brian discuss changes that would be cool for pytest, even unrealistic changes. These are changes we'd make to pytest if we didn't ahve to care about backwards compatibilty.Anthony's list:The import systemMulti-process support out of the boxAsync supportChanges to the fixture systemExtend the assert rewriting to make it modularAdd matchers to assert mechanismBan test class inheritanceBrian's list: Extend assert rewriting for custom rewriting, like checkpytester matchers available for all testsThrow out nose and unittest compatibility pluginsThrow out setup_module, teardown_module and other xunit style functionsRemove a bunch of t...
2023-03-0858 minTest & Code
Test & Code191: Running your own site for fun and absolutely no profit whatsoever - Brian WistiHaving a personal site is a great playground for learning tons of skills. Brian Wisti discusses the benefits of running a his own blog over the years.Links:Random GeekeryJamstackEleventyNetlifyPlausible AnalyticspytestBeautiful Souppyinvoke - Invoke!rsyncInternet Archive : archive.orgRichStatamicjamstack.orgA static site generator should be your next language learning project
2022-07-0146 minTest & Code
Test & Code178: The Five Factors of Automated Software Testing"There are five practical reasons that we write tests. Whether we realize it or not, our personal testing philosophy is based on how we judge the relative importance of these reasons." - Sarah MeiThis episode discusses the factors.Sarah's order:Verify the code is working correctlyPrevent future regressionsDocument the code’s behaviorProvide design guidanceSupport refactoringBrian's order:Verify the code is working correctlyPrevent future regressionsSupport refactoringProvide design guidanceDocument the code’s behaviorThe episode includes reasons why I've re-ordered them.Links:Five Factor Testing - Sa...
2022-01-3109 minTest & Code
Test & Code144: TDD in Science - Martin HérouxTest Driven Development, TDD, is not easy to incorporate in your daily development. Martin and Brian discuss TDD and testing and Martin's experience with testing, TDD, and using it for code involved with scientific research. We discuss lots of topics around this, including:What is TDD?Should research software be tested in order to be trusted?Time pressure and the struggle to get code done quickly. How do you make time for tests also?Is testing worth it for code that will not be reused?Sometimes it's hard to know how to test something.Ma...
2021-02-1352 minTest & Code
Test & Code137: Become an Author - Matt Harrison interviews Brian OkkenMatt Harrison, author of many Python books, is putting together a course, Effective Book Authoring, to help other people write and publish books. As part of this course, he's including interviews with people who have already written books, including me. This is that interview.We discuss:Why I wrote "Python Testing with pytest"Self publishing vs working with a publisherThe writing, editing, and publishing processWriting formatBook promotionAdvice to other writersSpecial Guest: Matt Harrison.Links:Effective Book Authoring — Matt's coursePython Testing with pytest - Simple, Rapid, Effective, and Scalable ...
2020-11-0540 minTest & Code
Test & Code130: virtualenv activation prompt consistency across shells - an open source dev and test adventure - Brian Skinnvirtualenv supports six shells: bash, csh, fish, xonsh, cmd, posh. Each handles prompts slightly differently. Although the virtualenv custom prompt behavior should be the same across shells, Brian Skinn noticed inconsistencies. He set out to fix those inconsistencies. That was the start of an adventure in open source collaboration, shell prompt internals, difficult test problems, and continuous integration quirks. Brian Skinn initially noticed that on Windows cmd, a space was added between a prefix defined by --prompt and the rest of the prompt, whereas on bash no space was added.For reference, there were/are t...
2020-09-1333 minTest & Code
Test & Code129: How to Test Anything - David LordI asked people on twitter to fill in "How do I test _____?" to find out what people want to know how to test. Lots of responses. David Lord agreed to answer them with me. In the process, we come up with lots of great general advice on how to test just about anything.Specific Questions people asked:What makes a good test?How do you test web app performance?How do you test cookie cutter templates?How do I test my test framework? How do I test permission management?How do I test SQLAlchemy mod...
2020-09-0740 minTest & Code
Test & Code128: pytest-randomly - Adam JohnsonSoftware tests should be order independent. That means you should be able to run them in any order or run them in isolation and get the same result.However, system state often gets in the way and order dependence can creep into a test suite. One way to fight against order dependence is to randomize test order, and with pytest, we recommend the plugin pytest-randomly to do that for you.The developer that started pytest-randomly and continues to support it is Adam Johnson, who joins us today to discuss pytest-randomly and another plugin he a...
2020-08-2815 minTest & Code
Test & Code127: WFH, WTF? - Tips and Tricks for Working From Home - Reuven Lerner & Julian SequeiraMany people have been working from home now that are not used to working from home. Or at least are working from home more than they ever did before. That's definitely true for me. Even though I've been working from home since March, I wanted some tips from people who have been doing it longer.Julian Sequeira, of PyBites fame, has been working from home for about a year. Reuven Lerner, an amazing Python trainer, has been working from home for much longer.We originally had a big list of WFH topics. But...
2020-08-2440 minTest & Code
Test & Code126: Data Science and Software Engineering Practices ( and Fizz Buzz ) - Joel GrusResearches and others using data science and software need to follow solid software engineering practices. This is a message that Joel Grus has been promoting for some time.Joel joins the show this week to talk about data science, software engineering, and even Fizz Buzz.Topics include:Software Engineering practices and data scienceDifficulties with Jupyter notebooksCode reviews on experiment codeUnit tests on experiment codeFinding bugs before doing experimentsTests for data pipelinesTests for deep learning models Showing researchers the value of tests by showing the bugs found that wouldn't have been found without them."Data S...
2020-08-1731 minTest & Code
Test & Code125: pytest 6 - Anthony Sottilepytest 6 is out. Specifically, 6.0.1, as of July 31. And there's lots to be excited about. Anthony Sottile joins the show to discuss features, improvements, documentation updates and more.Full release notes / changelogSome of what we talk about:How to update (at least, how I do it) Run your test suites with 5.4.3 or whatever the last version you were usingUpdate to 6Run again. Same output? Probably good.If there are any warnings, maybe fix those.You can also run with pytest -W error to turn warnings into errors.Then find out all the...
2020-08-0759 minTest & Code
Test & Code124: pip dependency resolver changespip is the package installer for Python. Often, when you run pip, especially the first time in a new virtual environment, you will see something like:WARNING: You are using pip version 20.1.1; however, version 20.2 is available. You should consider upgrading via the 'python -m pip install --upgrade pip' command.And you should. Because 20.2 has a new dependency resolver.Get in the habit, until October, of replacing pip install with pip install --use-feature=2020-resolver. This flag is new in the 20.2 release.This new pip dependency resolver is the res...
2020-08-0342 minTest & Code
Test & Code123: GitHub Actions - Tania AllardLots of Python projects are starting to use GitHub Actions for Continous Integration & Deployment (CI/CD), as well as other workflows.Tania Allard, a Senior Cloud Developer Advocate at Microsoft, joins the show to answer some of my questions regarding setting up a Python project to use Actions.Some of the topics covered:How to get started with GitHub Actions for a Python project?What are workflow files?Does it matter what the file name is called?Can I have / Should I have more than one workflow?Special Guest: Tania Allard.
2020-07-2422 minTest & Code
Test & Code122: Better Resumes for Software Engineers - Randall KannaA great resume is key to landing a great software job. There's no surprise there. But so many people make mistakes on their resume that can very easily be fixed.Randall Kanna is on the show today to help us understand how to improve our resumes, and in turn, help us have better careers.Special Guest: Randall Kanna.Links:The Standout Developer — link includes discount
2020-07-1635 minTest & Code
Test & Code121: Industrial 3D Printing & Python, Finite State Machines, and Simulating Hardware - Len WangerLen Wanger works on industrial 3D printers. And I was pleased to find out that there's a bunch of Python in those printers as well. In this episode we talk about:3D printersWhat are the different types of 3D printers?Where are 3D printed industrial parts being used?Why use one type of additive manufacturing over another?Python in 3D printing hardware.What are Finite State Machines, FSMs?Benefits of FSMs for testing, logging, and breaking a complex behavior into small testable parts.Benefits of simulation in writing and testing software to control hardware.Sp...
2020-07-1046 minTest & Code
Test & Code120: FastAPI & Typer - Sebastián RamírezFastAPI is a modern, fast (high-performance), web framework for building APIs with Python based on standard Python type hints. Typer is a library for building CLI applications, also based on Python type hints. Type hints and many other details are intended to make it easier to develop, test, and debug applications using FastAPI and Typer.The person behind FastAPI and Typer is Sebastián Ramírez.Sebastián is on the show today, and we discuss:FastAPIRest APIsSwagger UIFuture features of FastAPIStarletteTyperClickTesting with Typer and ClickTyper autocompletionTyper CLISpecial Guest: Sebastián Ramí...
2020-07-0343 minTest & Code
Test & Code119: Editable Python Installs, Packaging Standardization, and pyproject.toml - Brett CannonThere's stuff going on in Python packaging and pyproject.toml.Brett and I talk about some upcoming work on Python packaging, such as:editable installsthe need for standardizationconfiguration of other tools in pyproject.tomlAnd then get off on tangents and talk about:why it's good to have packages like pip, toml, setuptools, wheel, etc not part of the standard libraryshould we remove some stuff from the standard librarythe standard library using unittest for testing the standard library why not hypothesisI didn't bring up "why not pytest?" but you know I was thinking it.w...
2020-06-2634 minTest & Code
Test & Code118: Code Coverage and 100% CoverageCode Coverage or Test Coverage is a way to measure what lines of code and branches in your code that are utilized during testing.  Coverage tools are an important part of software engineering. But there's also lots of different opinions about using it. Should you try for 100% coverage? What code can and should you exclude? What about targets?I've been asked many times what I think about code coverage or test coverage. This episode is a train of thought brain dump on what I think about code coverage.We'll talk about:how I...
2020-06-2642 minTest & Code
Test & Code117: Python extension for VS Code - Brett CannonThe Python extension for VS Code is most downloaded extension for VS Code.  Brett Cannon is the manager for the distributed development team of the Python extension for VS Code.In this episode, Brett and I discuss the Python extension and VS Code, including:pytest supportvirtual environment supporthow settings work, including user and workspace settingsmulti root projectstesting Python in VS Codedebugging and pydevdjump to cursor featureupcoming featuresSpecial Guest: Brett Cannon.Links:Brett Cannon on ChangelogJohn WickBallerinaFrank Willison AwardPython extension for VS Codeepisode 117 : How IDEs can make software te...
2020-06-1849 minTest & Code
Test & Code116: 15 amazing pytest plugins - Michael Kennedypytest plugins are an amazing way to supercharge your test suites, leveraging great solutions from people solving test problems all over the world. In this episode Michael and I discuss 15 favorite plugins that you should know about.We also discuss fixtures and plugins and other testing tools that work great with pytesttoxGitHub ActionsCoverage.pySelenium + splinter with pytest-splinterHypothesisAnd then our list of pytest plugins:pytest-sugar pytest-cov pytest-stress pytest-repeat pytest-instafail pytest-metadatapytest-randomlypytest-xdist pytest-flake8 pytest-timeout pytest-spec pytest-picked pytest-freezegun pytest-check fluentcheckThat last one isn't a plugin, but we also talked about pytest-splinter at the beginning. So I think i...
2020-06-0850 minTest & Code
Test & Code115: Catching up with Nina ZakharenkoOne of the great things about attending in person coding conferences, such as PyCon, is the hallway track, where you can catch up with people you haven't seen for possibly a year, or maybe even the first time you've met in person. Nina is starting something like the hallway track, online, on twitch, and it's already going, so check out the first episode of Python Tea.Interesting coincidence is that this episode is kind of like a hallway track discussion between Nina and Brian.We've had Nina on the show a couple times b...
2020-05-3140 minTest & Code
Test & Code114: The Python Software Foundation (PSF) Board Elections - Ewa Jodlowska / Christopher Neugebauer"The mission of the Python Software Foundation is to promote, protect, and advance the Python programming language, and to support and facilitate the growth of a diverse and international community of Python programmers."That's a lot of responsibility, and to that end, the PSF Board Directors help out quite a bit. If you want to be a part of the board, you can. There's an election coming up right around the corner and you gotta get your nomination in by May 31. You can also join the PSF if you want to vote for who gets t...
2020-05-2429 minTest & Code
Test & Code113: Technical Debt - James SmithTechnical debt has to be dealt with on a regular basis to have a healthy product and development team.The impacts of technical debt include emotional drain on engineers and slowing down development and can adversely affect your hiring ability and retention.But really, what is technical debt? Can we measure it? How do we reduce it, and when?James Smith, the CEO of Bugsnag, joins the show to talk about technical debt and all of these questions.Special Guest: James Smith.
2020-05-1528 minTest & Code
Test & Code112: Six Principles of Readable Tests - David Seddon"Code is read much more often than it is written." - Guido van Rossum This is true for both production code and test code.When you are trying to understand why a test is failing, you'll be very grateful to the test author if they've taken the care to make it readable.David Seddon came up with 6 principles to help us write more readable tests. We discuss these, as well as more benefits of readable tests.David's 6 Principles of Readable Tests:Profit from the work of othersPut naming to workShow on...
2020-05-0844 minTest & Code
Test & Code111: Subtests in Python with unittest and pytest - Paul GanssleIn both unittest and pytest, when a test function hits a failing assert, the test stops and is marked as a failed test. What if you want to keep going, and check more things? There are a few ways. One of them is subtests.Python's unittest introduced subtests in Python 3.4. pytest introduced support for subtests with changes in pytest 4.4 and a plugin, called pytest-subtests. Subtests are still not really used that much.But really, what are they? When could you use them? And more importantly, what shoul...
2020-05-0246 minTest & Code
Test & Code110: Testing Django - from unittest to pytest - Adam ParkinDjango supports testing out of the box with some cool extensions to unittest. However, many people are using pytest for their Django testing, mostly using the pytest-django plugin.Adam Parkin, who is known online as CodependentCodr, joins us to talk about migrating an existing Django project from unittest to pytest. Adam tells us just how easy this is.Special Guest: Adam Parkin.Links:Django Tutorial, on testingThe Django docs on testing & the test databaseThe Django docs on the TestCase classpytest-django docs
2020-04-2624 minTest & Code
Test & Code109: Testing in Financial Services - Eric BergemannFinancial services have their own unique testing development challenges. But they also have lots of the same challenges as many other software projects. Eric Bergemann joins Brian Okken to discuss:Specific testing challenges in the financial services domainCI/CD : Continuous Integration, Continuous DeploymentTDD : Test Driven DevelopmentConfidence from testable applicationsTesting strategies to add coverage to legacy systemsTesting the data and test cases themselvesDevOpsContinuous testingManual testing proceduresBDD & GherkinHiring in vs training industry knowledgeSpecial Guest: Eric Bergemann.Links:ParagonThe Phoenix Project: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win
2020-04-1528 minTest & Code
Test & Code108: PySpark - Jonathan RiouxApache Spark is a unified analytics engine for large-scale data processing. PySpark blends the powerful Spark big data processing engine with the Python programming language to provide a data analysis platform that can scale up for nearly any task.Johnathan Rioux, author of "PySpark in Action", joins the show and gives us a great introduction of Spark and PySpark to help us decide how to get started and decide whether or not to decide if Spark and PySpark are right you.Special Guest: Jonathan Rioux.Links:PySpark in A...
2020-04-0931 minTest & Code
Test & Code107: Property Based Testing in Python with Hypothesis - Alexander HultnérHypothesis is the Python tool used for property based testing. Hypothesis claims to combine "human understanding of your problem domain with machine intelligence to improve the quality of your testing process while spending less time writing tests."In this episode Alexander Hultnér introduces us to property based testing in Python with Hypothesis.Some topics covered:What is property based testingThinking differently for property based testingUsing hypothesis / property based testing in conjunction with normal testingFailures saved and re-runWhat parts of development/testing is best suited for hypothesis / property based testing Comparing function implementationsTesting aga...
2020-03-2735 minTest & Code
Test & Code106: Visual Testing : How IDEs can make software testing easier - Paul EverittIDEs can help people with automated testing.In this episode, Paul Everitt and Brian discuss ways IDEs can encourage testing and make it easier for everyone, including beginners. We discuss features that exist and are great, as well as what is missing.The conversation also includes topics around being welcoming to new contributors for both open source and professional projects.We talk about a lot of topics, and it's a lot of fun. But it's also important. Because IDEs can make testing Some topics discussed:Making testing more accessibleTest First v...
2020-03-2050 minTest & Code
Test & Code105: TAP: Test Anything Protocol - Matt LaymanThe Test Anything Protocol, or TAP, is a way to record test results in a language agnostic way, predates XML by about 10 years, and is still alive and kicking.Matt Layman has contributed to Python in many ways, including his educational newsletter, and his Django podcast, Django Riffs.Matt is also the maintainer of tap.py and pytest-tap, two tools that bring the Test Anything Protocol to Python.In this episode, Matt and I discuss TAP, it's history, his involvement, and some cool use cases for it.Special Guest: Matt Layman.
2020-03-1129 minTest & Code
Test & Code104: Top 28 pytest plugins - Anthony Sottilepytest is awesome by itself. pytest + plugins is even better. In this episode, Anthony Sottile and Brian Okken discuss the top 28 pytest plugins.Some of the plugins discussed (we also mention a few plugins related to some on this list): pytest-cov pytest-timeout pytest-xdist pytest-mock pytest-runner pytest-instafail pytest-django pytest-html pytest-metadatapytest-asynciopytest-split-testspytest-sugarpytest-rerunfailurespytest-envpytest-cachepytest-flaskpytest-benchmarkpytest-orderingpytest-watchpytest-pythonpathpytest-flake8pytest-pep8pytest-repeatpytest-pylintpytest-randomlypytest-seleniumpytest-mypypytest-freezegunHonorable mention:pytest-blackpytest-emojipytest-pooSpecial Guest: Anthony Sottile.Links:PyPI Download StatsTop PyPI Packages: A monthly dump of the 4,000 most-downloaded packages from PyPITest & Code 25: Selenium, pytest, Mozilla – Dave Huntpre-commit
2020-03-0445 minTest & Code
Test & Code103: Django - Lacey Williams HenschelDjango is without a doubt one of the most used web frameworks for Python. Lacey Williams Henschel is a Django consultant and has joined me to talk about Django, the Django community, and so much more.Topics:DjangoThe Django CommunityDjango GirlsDjango Girls TutorialDjangoConSoftware TestingUsing tests during learningpytest-djangotesting DjangoWagtailSpecial Guest: Lacey Williams Henschel.Links:Django Django Girls Django Girls TutorialDjangoCon US 2020 Django: Under the HoodPyDataPyCascadesDjango REST frameworkpytest-djangoWagtail CMS - Django Content Management System
2020-03-0126 minTest & Code
Test & Code102: Cosmic Python, TDD, testing and external dependencies - Harry PercivalHarry Percival has completed his second book, "Architecture Patterns with Python". So of course we talk about the book, also known as "Cosmic Python". We also discuss lots of testing topics, especially related to larger systems and systems involving third party interfaces and APIs.Topics Harry's new book, "Architecture Patterns with Python". a.k.a. Cosmic Python TDD : Test Driven DevelopmentTest PyramidTradeoffs of different architectural choicesMocks and their pitfallsAvoiding mocksSeparating conceptual business logicDependency injectionDependency inversionIdentifying external dependenciesInterface adapters to mimize the exposed surface area of external dependenciesLondon School vs Classic/Detroit School of TDDTesting stra...
2020-02-2741 minTest & Code
Test & Code101: Application Security - Anthony ShawApplication security is best designed into a system from the start. Anthony Shaw is doing something about it by creating an editor plugin that actually helps you write more secure application code while you are coding.On today's Test & Code, Anthony and I discuss his security plugin, but also application security in general, as well as other security components you need to consider.Security is something every team needs to think about, whether you are a single person team, a small startup, or a large corporation.Anthony and I also discuss where t...
2020-02-1945 minTest & Code
Test & Code100: A/B Testing - Leemay NasseryLet's say you have a web application and you want to make some changes to improve it. You may want to A/B test it first to make sure you are really improving things.But really what is A/B testing? That's what we'll find out on this episode with Leemay Nassery.Special Guest: Leemay Nassery.
2020-02-1335 minTest & Code
Test & Code99: Software Maintenance and ChessI play a form of group chess that has some interesting analogies to software development and maintenance of existing systems. This episode explains group chess and explores a few of those analogies.
2020-01-3114 minTest & Code
Test & Code98: pytest-testmon - selects tests affected by changed files and methods - Tibor Arpaspytest-testmon is a pytest plugin which selects and executes only tests you need to run. It does this by collecting dependencies between tests and all executed code (internally using Coverage.py) and comparing the dependencies against changes. testmon updates its database on each test execution, so it works independently of version control.In this episode, I talk with testmon creator Tibor Arpas about testmon, about it's use and how it works.Special Guest: Tibor Arpas.Links:testmon.orgDetermining affected testsTibor's post on using pytest in PyCharmruntime-info plugin for PyCharm
2020-01-2132 minTest & Code
Test & Code97: 2019 Retrospective, 2020 Plans, and an amazing decadeThis episode is not just a look back on 2019, and a look forward to 2020. Also, 2019 is the end of an amazingly transofrmative decade for me, so I'm going to discuss that as well.top 10 episodes of 201910: episode 46, Testing Hard To Test Applications - Anthony Shaw9: episode 64, Practicing Programming to increase your value8: episode 70, Learning Software without a CS degree - Dane Hillard7: episode 75, Modern Testing Principles - Alan Page6: episode 72, Technical Interview Fixes - April Wensel5: episode 69, Andy Hunt - The Pragmatic Programmer4: episode 73, PyCon 2019 Live Recording3: episode 71, Memorable Tech Talks, The Ultimate Guide - N...
2019-12-3122 minTest & Code
Test & Code96: Azure Pipelines - Thomas EckertPipelines are used a lot in software projects to automated much of the work around build, test, deployment and more. Thomas Eckert talks with me about pipelines, specifically Azure Pipelines. Some of the history, and how we can use pipelines for modern Python projects.Special Guest: Thomas Eckert.Links:click repoAzure Pipelines Action · Actions · GitHub Marketplace
2019-12-1626 minTest & Code
Test & Code95: Data Science Pipeline Testing with Great Expectations - Abe GongData science and machine learning are affecting more of our lives every day. Decisions based on data science and machine learning are heavily dependent on the quality of the data, and the quality of the data pipeline.Some of the software in the pipeline can be tested to some extent with traditional testing tools, like pytest.But what about the data? The data entering the pipeline, and at various stages along the pipeline, should be validated.That's where pipeline tests come in.Pipeline tests are applied to data. Pipeline tests help...
2019-11-3022 minTest & Code
Test & Code94: The real 11 reasons I don't hire you - Charity MajorsYou've applied for a job, maybe lots of jobs. Depending on the company, you've gotta get through:a resume reviewa coding challangea phone screenmaybe another code examplean in person interviewIf you get the job, and you enjoy the work, awesome, congratulations.If you don't get the job, it'd be really great to know why.Sometimes it isn't because you aren't a skilled engineer.What other reasons are there?Well, that's what we're talking about today.Charity Majors is the cofounder and CTO of Honeycomb.io, a...
2019-11-1834 minTest & Code
Test & Code93: Software Testing, Book Writing, Teaching, Public Speaking, and PyCarolinas - Andy KnightAndy Knight is the Automation Panda. Andy Knight is passionate about software testing, and shares his passion through public speaking, writing on automationpanda.com, teaching as an adjunct professor, and now also through writing a book and organizing a new regional Python conference.Topics of this episode include:Andy's book on software testingBeing an adjunct professorPublic speaking and preparing talk proposals including tips from Andy about proposals and preparing for talksPyCarolinasSpecial Guest: Andy Knight.Links:Automation PandaAndy's Speaking eventsPyCarolinas 2020
2019-10-3130 minTest & Code
Test & Code92: 9 Steps to Crater Quality & Destroy Customer Satisfaction - Cristian MedinaCristian Medina wrote an article recently called "Test Engineering Anti-Patterns: Destroy Your Customer Satisfaction and Crater Your Quality By Using These 9 Easy Organizational Practices"Of course, it's sarcastic, and aims to highlight many problems with organizational practices that reduce software quality.The article doesn't go out of character, and only promotes the anti-patterns. However, in this interview, we discuss each point, and the corollary of what you really should do. At least, our perspectives.Here's the list of all the points discussed in the article and in this episode:Make the T...
2019-10-2035 minTest & Code
Test & Code91: Python 3.8 - there's a lot more new than most people are talking aboutPython 3.8.0 final is live and ready to download. On todays episode, we're going to run through what's new, picking out the bits that I think are the most interesting and affect the most people, including new language features standard library changes optimizations in 3.8 Not just the big stuff everyone's already talking about. But also some little things that will make programming Python even more fun and easy. I'm excited about Python 3.8. And really, this episode is to my way to try to get you excited about it too. Links:What’s...
2019-10-1621 minTest & Code
Test & Code90: Dynamic Scope Fixtures in pytest 5.2 - Anthony Sottilepytest 5.2 was just released, and with it, a cool fun feature called dynamic scope fixtures. Anthony Sottile so tilly is one of the pytest core developers, so I thought it be fun to have Anthony describe this new feature for us. We also talk about parametrized testing and really what is fixture scope and then what is dynamic scope.Special Guest: Anthony Sottile.Links:pytest changelogpytest fixturesdynamic scope fixturesepisode 82: pytest - favorite features since 3.0 the pytest book — Python Testing with pytest
2019-10-1134 minTest & Code
Test & Code89: Improving Programming Education - Nicholas TollerveyNicholas Tollervey is working toward better ways of teaching programming. His projects include the Mu Editor, PyperCard, and CodeGrades. Many of us talk about problems with software education. Nicholas is doing something about it.Special Guest: Nicholas Tollervey. Links:Code With Mu — a simple Python editor for beginner programmersMade With Mu — A blog to celebrate projects that use the Mu Python code editor to create cool stuff.PyperCard — Easy GUIs for AllCodeGrades
2019-09-2842 minTest & Code
Test & Code88: Error Monitoring, Crash Reporting, Performance Monitoring - JD TraskTools like error monitoring, crash reporting, and performance monitoring are tools to help you create a better user experience and are fast becoming crucial tools for web development and site reliability. But really what are they? And when do you need them? You've built a cool web app or service, and you want to make sure your customers have a great experience. You know I advocate for utilizing automated tests so you find bugs before your customers do. However, fast development lifecycles, and quickly reacting to customer needs is a good thing, and we all...
2019-09-2148 minTest & Code
Test & Code87: Paths to Parametrization - from one test to manyThere's a cool feature of pytest called parametrization. It's totally one of the superpowers of pytest. It's actually a handful of features, and there are a few ways to approach it. Parametrization is the ability to take one test, and send lots of different input datasets into the code under test, and maybe even have different output checks, all within the same test that you developed in the simple test case. Super powerful, but something since there's a few approaches to it, a tad tricky to get the hang of.Links:
2019-09-1119 minTest & Code
Test & Code86: Teaching testing best practices with 4 testing maxims - Josh PeakYou've incorporated software testing into your coding practices and know from experience that it helps you get your stuff done faster with less headache. Awesome. Now your colleagues want in on that super power and want to learn testing. How do you help them? That's where Josh Peak is. He's helping his team add testing to their workflow to boost their productivity. That's what we're talking about today on Test & Code. Josh walks us through 4 maxims of developing software tests that help grow your confidence and proficiency...
2019-09-0622 minTest & Code
Test & Code85: Speed Up Test Suites - Niklas MeinzerGood software testing strategy is one of the best ways to save developer time and shorten software development delivery cycle time. Software test suites grow from small quick suites at the beginning of a project to larger suites as we add tests, and the time to run the suites grows with it. Fortunately, pytest has many tricks up it's sleave to help shorten those test suite times. Niklas Meinzer is a software developer that recentely wrote an article on optimizing test suites. In this episode, I talk with Niklas about the optimization techniques...
2019-08-2626 minTest & Code
Test & Code84: CircuitPython - Scott ShawcroftAdafruit enables beginners to make amazing hardware/software projects. With CircuitPython, these projects can now use Python. The combination of Python's ease of use and Adafruit's super cool hardware and a focus on a successful beginner experience makes learning to write code that controls hardware super fun. In this episode, Scott Shawcroft, the project lead, talks about the past, present, and future of CircuitPython, and discusses the focus on the beginner. We also discuss contributing to the project, testing CircuitPython, and many of the cool projects and hardware boards that can use...
2019-08-2035 minTest & Code
Test & Code83: PyBites Code Challenges behind the scenes - Bob BelderbosBob Belderbos and Julian Sequeira started PyBites a few years ago. They started doing code challanges along with people around the world and writing about it. Then came the codechalleng.es platform, where you can do code challenges in the browser and have your answer checked by pytest tests. But how does it all work? Bob joins me today to go behind the scenes and share the tech stack running the PyBites Code Challenges platform. We talk about the technology, the testing, and how it went from a cool idea to a...
2019-08-1624 minTest & Code
Test & Code82: pytest - favorite features since 3.0 - Anthony SottileAnthony Sottile is a pytest core contributor, as well as a maintainer and contributor to many other projects. In this episode, Anthony shares some of the super cool features of pytest that have been added since he started using it. We also discuss Anthony's move from user to contributor, and how others can help with the pytest project.Special Guest: Anthony Sottile.Links:pytest documentationpytest Changelogpytest API Referencesponsor pytestgetting started contributing to pytestthe book: Python Testing with pytest — The fastest way to learn pytest
2019-07-3136 minTest & Code
Test & Code81: TDD with flitIn the last episode, we talked about going from script to supported package. I worked on a project called subark and did the packaging with flit. Today's episode is a continuation where we add new features to a supported package and how to develop and test a flit based package. Covered: viewing stages of a project with git tags flit support for editable installs flit description entry in pyproject.toml to put README on pypi. development dependencies in pyproject.toml editor layout for optimal TDD-ing test case grouping modifications to traditional TDD that...
2019-07-1725 minTest & Code
Test & Code80: From Python script to Maintainable PackageThis episode is a story about packaging, and flit, tox, pytest, and coverage. And an alternate solution to "using the src". Python makes it easy to build simple tools for all kinds of tasks. And it's great to be able to share small projects with others on your team, in your company, or with the world. When you want to take a script from "just a script" to maintainable package, there are a few steps, but none of it's hard. Also, the structure of the code layout changes to help with...
2019-07-0421 minTest & Code
Test & Code79: Fixing misinformation about software testingSome information about software testing is just wrong. I'm not talking about opinions. I have lots of opinions and they differ from other peoples opinions. I'm talking about misinformation and old information that is no longer applicable. I've ran across a few lateley that I want to address. All of the following are wrong: Integrated tests can't work. I can prove it with wacky math. Tests have to be blazing fast or they won't get run. TDD is about design, not about testing. This episode discusses why these are wrong....
2019-06-2722 minTest & Code
Test & Code78: I don't write tests because ...Roadblocks to writing tests, and what to do about it. Some developers either don't write tests, or don't like writing tests. Why not? I love writing tests. In this episode we examine lots of roadblocks to testing, and start coming up with solutions for these.Links:"I don’t write tests because ____. " twitter questionepisode 75: Modern Testing Principlesepisode 76: TDD: Don’t be afraid of Test-Driven Development "A QA engineer walks into a bar"
2019-06-1930 minTest & Code
Test & Code77: Testing Complex Systems with Maintainable Test SuitesCreating maintainable test suites for complex systems. The episode describes some complexities involved with hardware testing, then shares techniques for shifting complexity out of the test cases. quick overview of what test instruments are discussion of API and communication with instruments techniques for shifting complexity out of test cases These techniques should apply to all test suites dealing with complex systems: Creating test cases that are easy to read and debug and tell a story about what is being tested. Pushing setup complexity into fixtures. Pushing lengthy repetitive API call sets into helper functions. Using stable...
2019-06-1123 minTest & Code
Test & Code76: TDD: Don’t be afraid of Test-Driven Development - Chris MayTest Driven Development, TDD, can be intimidating to try. Why is that? And how can we make it less scary? That's what this episode is about. Chris May is a Python developer and the co-founder of PyRVA, the Richmond Virginia Python group. In this episode, Chris shares his experience with adding testing and TDD to his work flow. I really enjoyed talking with Chris, and I think his story will help lots of people overcome testing anxiety.Special Guest: Chris May. Links:Don't be afraid of Test-Driven...
2019-05-2935 minTest & Code
Test & Code75: Modern Testing Principles - Alan PageSoftware testing, if done right, is done all the time, throughout the whole life of a software project. This is different than the verification and validation of a classical model of QA teams. It's more of a collaborative model that actually tries to help get great software out the door faster and iterate quicker. One of the people at the forefront of this push is Alan Page. Alan and his podcast cohost Brent Jensen tried to boil down what modern testing looks like in the Modern Testing Principles. I've got Alan here today, to talk...
2019-05-2340 minTest & Code
Test & Code74: Technical Interviews: Preparing For, What to Expect, and Tips for Success - Derrick MarIn this episode, I talk with Derrick Mar, CTO and co-founder of Pathrise. This is the episode you need to listen to to get ready for software interviews. We discuss four aspects of technical interviews that interviewers are looking for: communication problem solving coding verification How to practice for the interview. Techniques for synchronizing with interviewer and asking for hints. Even how to ask the recruiter or hiring manager how to prepare for the interview. If you or anyone you know has a software interview coming up, this...
2019-05-2127 minTest & Code
Test & Code73: PyCon 2019 Live RecordingThis is a "Yay! It's PyCon 2019" episode. PyCon is very important to me. But it's kinda hard to put a finger on why. So I figured I'd ask more people to help explain why it's important. I ask a few simple questions to people about Python and PyCon and get some great insights into both the language popularity and the special place this conference holds to many people.
2019-05-0328 minTest & Code
Test & Code72: Technical Interview Fixes - April WenselSome typical technical interview practices can be harmful and get in the way of hiring great people. April Wensel offers advice to help fix the technical interview process. She recommends: hire for mindset and attitude look for empathy and mentorship skills allow candidates to show their strengths instead of hunting for weaknesses have the candidate leave feeling good about themselves and your company, regardless of the hiring decision Some topics discussed: interview questions to bring out stories of skills and successes stereotype threat diversity interview hazing white boards coding challenges unconscious bias emotional intelligence ...
2019-04-2937 minTest & Code
Test & Code71: Memorable Tech Talks, The Ultimate Guide - Nina ZakharenkoNina Zakharenko gives some great advice about giving tech talks. We talk about a blog series that Nina wrote called "The Ultimate Guide To Memorable Tech Talks". This episode is full of great help and encouragement for your own public speaking adventures. Some of what we discuss: overcoming the fear of public speaking breathing and pausing during talks planning your talk as well as planning your time to get ready for the talk writing proposals and getting feedback on proposals Nina's talk in PyCascades on programming Adafruit chips types of talks that are often rejected ...
2019-04-0548 minTest & Code
Test & Code70: Learning Software without a CS degree - Dane HillardDane and Brian discuss skills needed for people that become software developers from non-traditional paths. Dane is also writing a book to address many of these skill gaps, Code Like a Pro, that's currently in an early access phase. Use code podtest&code19 to get a discount. And, sign up as a Friend of the Show to enter for a chance to win a free copy of the eBook version. We also discuss the writing process, testing with a multi-language stack, music, art, photography, and more.Special Guest: Dane Hillard.Links:
2019-03-2930 minTest & Code
Test & Code69: Andy Hunt - The Pragmatic ProgrammerAndy Hunt and Dave Thomas wrote the seminal software development book, The Pragmatic Programmer. Together they founded The Pragmatic Programmers and are well known as founders of the agile movement and authors of the Agile Manifesto. They founded the Pragmatic Bookshelf publishing business in 2003. The Pragmatic Bookshelf published it's most important book, in my opinion, in 2017 with the first pytest book available from any publisher. Topics: The Pragmatic Programmer, the book The Manifesto for Agile Software Development Agile methodologies and lightweight methods Some issues with "Agile" as it is now. The GROWS Method Pragmatic...
2019-03-2148 minTest & Code
Test & Code68: test && commit || revert (TCR) - Thomas DeniffelWith conventional TDD, you write a failing test, get it to pass, then refactor. Then run the tests again to make sure your refactoring didn't break anything. But what if it did break something? Kent Beck has been recommending to commit your code to revision control after every green test run. Oddmund Strømme suggested a symmetrical idea to go ahead and revert the code when a test fails. Kent writes that he hated the idea, but had to try it. Then wrote about it last September. And now we have TCR, "(t...
2019-03-1338 minTest & Code
Test & Code67: Teaching Python in Middle SchoolIn today's episode we talk with Kelly Paredes & Sean Tibor. They teach Python in a middle school in Florida, and talk about this experience on the podcast "Teaching Python". I love that they include physical computing right from the start, and everything else they are doing. It's a fun interview.Special Guests: Kelly Paredes and Sean Tibor.Links:Teaching Python
2019-02-2834 minTest & Code
Test & Code66: Brian is interviewed by Phil BurgessI was recently interviewed on a podcast called "IT Career Energizer Podcast". Phil Burgess is the host of the podcast, and it was a lot of fun. I think it turned out well, and I wanted to share it with you here, with Phil's permission, of course.Special Guest: Phil Burgess.Links:IT Career Energizer Podcast
2019-02-2618 minTest & Code
Test & Code65: one assert per testIs it ok to have more than one assert statement in a test? I've seen articles that say no, you should never have more than one assert. I've also seen some test code made almost unreadable due to trying to avoid more than one assert per test. Where did this recommendation even come from? What are the reasons? What are the downsides to both perspectives? That's what we're going to talk about today.Links:Twitter survey about multiple asserts/checks — Are multiple asserts/checks ok in an automated test?Mu...
2019-02-1719 minTest & Code
Test & Code64: Practicing Programming to increase your valueI want you to get the most out of being a software developer, or test engineer, or whatever you do that makes this podcast relevant to your life. By "get the most" I mean: the most fun the most value more career options probably more responsibility maybe even more money, that'd be cool I want you to start (or continue) studying and practicing your skills. But not just random practice, I've got a strategy to help you focus what to study. Why am I talking about this now? Here's some background...
2019-02-0721 minTest & Code
Test & Code63: Python Corporate Training - Matt Harrison I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. -- Confucius Matt Harrison is an author and instructor of Python and Data Science. This episode focuses on his training company, MetaSnake, and corporate training. Matt's written several books on Python, mostly self published. So of course we talk about that. But the bulk of the conversation is about corporate training, with Brian playing the role of someone considering starting a corporate training role, and asking Matt, an experienced expert in training, how to start...
2019-02-0133 minTest & Code
Test & Code62: Python Training - Reuven LernerThere are a lot of learning styles and a lot of ways to learn Python. If you started Python through a class at work, or through an online course, or maybe an email series, it's possibly you may have learned from Reuven Lerner. If your first encounter with pytest was reading an article in Linux Journal recently, that would be the writing of Reuven. Reuven Lerner teaches Python. This interview definitely falls into the category of talking with interesting people doing interesting things with Python. We talk about how incorporating testing...
2019-01-1328 minTest & Code
Test & CodeA retrospectiveA look back on 3 years of podcasting, and a bit of a look forward to what to expect in 2019. Top 5 episodes: 2: Pytest vs Unittest vs Nose 33: Katharine Jarmul - Testing in Data Science 18: Testing in Startups and Hiring Software Engineers with Joe Stump 45: David Heinemeier Hansson - Software Development and Testing, TDD, and exploratory QA 27: Mahmoud Hashemi : unit, integration, and system testing Honorable mention: 32: David Hussman - Agile vs Agility, Dude's Law, and more This episode also went through lots of: what went well what was lacking what's next Please listen...
2018-12-3131 minTest & Code
Test & Code100 Days of Code - Julian SequeiraJulian Sequeira is Co-Founder of PyBit.es (a blog/platform created to teach and learn Python) and a Python Trainer at Talk Python Training. He's also a survivor of the 100DaysOfCode in Python Challenge. We talk about the 100 days challenge, about learning Python, and about how cool it is to learn within a community.Special Guest: Julian Sequeira.Links:PyBites BlogPyBites Code Challenges PlatformTalkPython + PyBites 100 Days of Code in Python CoursePyBites 100 Days of Code RepoPybit.es Slack Community
2018-12-2834 minTest & Code
Test & CodeGenesynth, nox, urllib3, & PyCascades - Thea FlowersThea Flowers is a Pythonista and open source advocate. She helps empower developers of all backgrounds and experience levels using Python and open source software and hardware. Thea is the creator of Nox, the co-chair of PyCascades 2019, the lead maintainer of urllib3, and a member of the Python Packaging Authority and Packaging Working Group. Thea works on Google Cloud Platform's wonderful Developer Relations team where she works on API client libraries and community outreach. All of that is definitely cool enough. But she is also building a synthesiser based on Sega Genesis chips...
2018-12-2131 minTest & Code
Test & CodeREST APIs, testing with Docker containers and pytestLet's say you've got a web application you need to test. It has a REST API that you want to use for testing. Can you use Python for this testing even if the application is written in some other language? Of course. Can you use pytest? duh. yes. what else? What if you want to spin up docker instances, get your app running in that, and run your tests against that environment? How would you use pytest to do that? Well, there, I'm not exactly sure. But I know someone who does.
2018-12-1428 minTest & Code
Test & CodeWhat is Data Science? - Vicki BoykisData science, data engineering, data analysis, and machine learning are part of the recent massive growth of Python. But really what is data science? Vicki Boykis helps me understand questions like: No really, what is data science? What does a data pipeline look like? What is it like to do data science, data analysis, data engineering? Can you do analysis on a laptop? How big does data have to be to be considered big? What are the challenges in data science? Does it make sense for software engineers to learn data engineering, data science...
2018-12-1130 minTest & Code
Test & CodeBeing a Guest on a Podcast - Michael KennedyMichael Kennedy of Talk Python and Python Bytes fame joins Brian to talk about being a great guest and what to expect. Even if you have never wanted to be on a podcast, you might learn some great tips. A few of the things we talk about will be helpful for other endeavors, like public speaking, guest blog posts, look for unsolicited job opportunities. Some people have never been on a podcast before, and are possibly freaked out about some of the unknowns of being on a podcast. That's why we did this episode.
2018-12-0737 minTest & Code
Test & Code55: When 100% test coverage just isn't enough - Mahmoud HashemiWhat happens when 100% test code coverage just isn't enough. In this episode, we talk with Mahmoud Hashemi about glom, a very cool project in itself, but a project that needs more coverage than 100%. This problem affects lots of projects that use higher level programming constructs, like domain specific languages (DSLs), sub languages mini languages, compilers, and db query languages. Also covered: awesome Python applications versioning: 0-ver vs calver vs semver Special Guest: Mahmoud Hashemi.Links:Announcing glom — Restructured Data for PythonDomain-specific language - Wikipediaawesome-python-applications — Free software that works great, and also...
2018-12-0334 minTest & Code
Test & Code54: Python 1994 - Paul EverittPaul talks about the beginning years of Python. Talking about Python's beginnings is also talking about the Python community beginnings. Yes, it's reminiscing, but it's fun.Special Guest: Paul Everitt.Links:Python 1994 Panel Discussion PyCon 2017"Python 1994", PyBay2017Spam, Spam, Spam, ...
2018-11-2529 minTest & Code
Test & Code53: Seven Databases in Seven Weeks - Luc PerkinsLuc Perkins joins the show to talk about "Seven Databases in Seven Weeks: A guide to modern databases and the NoSQL movement." We discuss a bit about each database: Redis, Neo4J, CouchDB, MongoDB, HBase, Postgres, and DynamoDB.Special Guest: Luc Perkins.Links:Seven Databases in Seven Weeks, Second Edition: A Guide to Modern Databases and the NoSQL MovementPostgreSQLRedisNeo4j Graph DatabaseCouchDBMongoDBHBaseDynamoDB
2018-11-1954 minTest & Code
Test & Code52: pyproject.toml : the future of Python packaging - Brett CannonBrett Cannon discusses the changes afoot in Python packaging as a result of PEP 517, PEP 518, starting with "How did we get here?" and "Where are we going?" Discussed: flit Poetry tox Continuous Integration setup.py, MANIFEST.in, etc. pipenv what's with lock files applications (doesn't go on PyPI) vs libraries (goes on PyPI) workflows dependency resolution deployment dependencies vs development dependencies will lock files be standarized multiple lock files requirements.txt Special Guest: Brett Cannon.Links:FlitPoetryPython Bytes #100 : The big 100 with special guests PEP 517 -- A build-system independent format for source trees...
2018-11-0550 minTest & Code
Test & Code51: Feature TestingAndy Knight joins me in discussing the concept of feature testing. A feature tests is "a test verifying a service or library as the customer would use it, but within a single process." That was a quote from an article that appeared on the Twitter engineering blog. The article describes a shift away from class tests towards feature tests, the benefits of the shift, and some reactions to it. Feature tests are similar to something I used to call "functional subcutaneous integration test", but it's a way better name, and I plan to use it...
2018-10-3031 minTest & Code
Test & Code50: Flaky Tests and How to Deal with ThemAnthony Shaw joins Brian to discuss flaky tests and flaky test suites. What are flaky tests? Is it the same as fragile tests? Why are they bad? How do we deal with them? What causes flakiness? How can we fix them? How can we avoid them? Proactively rooting out flakiness Test design GUI tests Sharing solutions Special Guest: Anthony Shaw.Links:Dropbox article on flaky testsMicrosoft article on flaky testspytest-rerunfailures: a py.test plugin that re-runs failed tests up to -n times to eliminate flakey failurespytest-randomly: Pytest plugin to randomly order tests and control...
2018-10-2532 minTest & Code
Test & Code49: tox - Oliver Bestwaltertox is a simple yet powerful tool that is used by many Python projects. tox is not just a tool to help you test a Python project against multiple versions of Python. In this interview, Oliver and Brian just scratch the surface of this simple yet powerful automation tool. This is from the tox documentation: tox is a generic virtualenv management and test command line tool you can use for: checking your package installs correctly with different Python versions and interpreters running your tests in each of the environments, configuring your test...
2018-10-1555 minTest & Code
Test & Code48: A GUI for pytestThe story of how I came to find a good user interface for running and debugging automated tests is interleaved with a multi-year effort of mine to have a test workflow that’s works smoothly with product development and actually speeds things up. It’s also interleaved with the origins of the blog pythontesting.net, this podcast, and the pytest book I wrote with Pragmatic. It’s not a long story. And it has a happy ending. Well. It’s not over. But I’m happy with where we are now. I’m also hoping that this tale of my d...
2018-10-0812 minTest & Code
Test & Code47: Automation Panda - Andy KnightInterview with Andy Knight, the Automation Panda. Selenium & WebDriver Headless Chrome Gherkin BDD Given When Then pytest-bdd PyCharm Writing Good Gherkin Overhead of Gherkin and if it's worth it When to use pytest vs pytest-bdd The art of test automation Special Guest: Andy Knight.Links:Automation Panda | A blog for software development and testingKarate REST API test frameworkBDD | Automation PandaTesting | Automation PandaThe pytest Book
2018-09-2839 minTest & Code
Test & Code46: Testing Hard To Test Applications - Anthony ShawHow do you write tests for things that aren’t that easy to write tests for? That question is a possibly terrible summary of a question sent to me by a listener. And to help me start answering that question, I asked a friend of mine to help, Antony Shaw. Of course, different types of applications have different test strategies, so there’s not a universal answer. But I know some of you out there have experience and expertise around how to tackle this problem. Listen to the discussion Anthony and I have abou...
2018-09-0242 min