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Ministry Without Hating It#44: There’s Grace For That | Formation > Ministry Assignment feat. Sal & Krystal BonoHave you ever said, “I am going to make this work, or die trying”? According to Pastors Sal & Krystal Bono, that’s probably the worst thing you can say within ministry. In this episode, the Bonos get candid about the pain from messy transitions, the death of a ministry dream and even being houseless for a season. But through all of these humbling experiences, Sal & Krystal also share the hope they have found to keep going by realizing, “there’s grace for that.” Also, the episode’s final score is Sal 1 - Krystal 1000.Resources Highlighted in...2025-06-151h 22
Ministry Without Hating It#43: I Called You to Serve My House | Keeping Ministry Simple feat. Jordan WallIf God chooses the foolish things to shame the wise, then what does that say about me? According to Pastor Jordan Wall, it’s actually pretty simple. In this episode Jordan shares how his story formed a simple approach to his ministry, regardless of the assignment, and how that shifts the fluctuations of ministry from targets to dashboards. Simple. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Connect further with Jordan at revitalizechurch.lifeGuest Bio:Jordan Wall is a husband and father of four, with over 20 years of experience in full-time mini...2025-05-151h 12
Ministry Without Hating It#42: Get Into Somebody’s Orbit | Ministering & Being Ministered To feat. Johnny McCallisterStatistically, the number of ministry leaders struggling with their identity, calling and confidence in ministry is growing, and they are feeling more and more isolated. In this episode, Pastor and Executive Director Johnny McCallister unpacks how ministry leaders need each other more than ever before. Johnny shares keys for resiliency learned from over 30 years of ministry, tools for ministering to others, and what it looks like to allow yourself to be ministered to as well.We also discover that Johnny & Chad have the same sandwich order, which of course means they’re now best friends–Enjoy this one...2025-04-151h 20
Ministry Without Hating It#41: Stewarding People | Discipling, Developing & Deploying Others feat. Beth HackbarthHow does knowing who you’ve been created to be as a leader directly impact your effectiveness in discipling others? Pastor and denominational leader, Beth Hackbarth, sits down for a conversation with us to share how her own journey of self-discovery opened up a new level for her in leading others. In this episode, we also talk about what the long game of developing people and leaders in our care looks like, and the impacts of being less loosy-goosy and more strategic in our approach to disciple formation. We may have also created a spin-off podcast for Bre...2025-03-151h 17
Ministry Without Hating It#40: Add “Interim” to Your Job Title | Integrated Missiology feat. Peter HendersonIs it your “ministry”, or your “mission assignment”? Distinguishing this small, yet profound detail has made all the difference for our guest, Pastor Peter Henderson. In this episode, Peter shares how being a survivor of the Columbine thrust him into Pastoral Ministry as a teen–leading him to become a Senior Pastor in his 20’s, the wisdom gained from being a young leader in a healthy transition, and how his passion for being on mission together with Jesus creates a culture of integrated missiology. Also, Peter doesn’t like to be poked, and many apologies are made. So give it a li...2025-02-151h 16
Ministry Without Hating It#39: Rest on the Fact of Freedom | Persistence & Reimagining Ministry feat. Jared BallengerWe’re back! And for our first episode of Season Four we’re visited by Pastor and Non-Profit Leader, Jared Ballenger. In this conversation Jared shares why the word “ministry” has always been spelled “w-o-r-k” (and how that’s not a negative thing), finding freedom on the other side of burnout and the incredible work of rescuing children from human trafficking that he gets to be a part of with Destiny Rescue. It’s a chill interview, so sit down with us!Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Destiny Rescue WebsiteTo connect further with Jared: jared.ballenger@d...2025-01-151h 14
Ministry Without Hating It#38: Renegades, Not Rebels | Reframing Your Questions with Ministry Pain feat. BrianJames McMahonAt its core, experiencing pain simply means that something is off. And oftentimes, we think pain is bad. And sometimes it is. And sometimes it can be really useful. In our Season 3 Finale, therapist and pastor, BrianJames McMahon, unpacks for us how being honest and lamenting his own pain changed everything for him–including stepping out of vocational ministry. It’s possible to not fear pain, wrestle with lament, and bravely face the possibility of leaving a ministry, with hope–and without hating it.Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Church Well Co WebsiteBrianJames Therapy Website...2024-12-171h 19
Ministry Without Hating It#37: So, We Can Hate It? | Ministry Without Apathy feat. Tim LeeAs ministry leaders, there are things about ministry that we hate, and that’s ok. It only took us 37 episodes to get to that, but here we are for a conversation with pastor, professor, fellow podcaster and friend, Tim Lee. In this episode Tim gets reflective on his own recent journey of deconstructing what ministry is vs. what he’s always known, the truth that we are still not healthy after all that happened in 2020, and why apathy is actually the greatest threat to anything we do. It’s a real iron vs. iron conversation!Resources Highli...2024-11-301h 18
Ministry Without Hating It#36: Soul Check | The Journey of Sexual Purity feat. Robby BoothAs leaders, we must face the reality that we will all journey with sexual sin and purity, whether personally, and/or with others. In this episode, Robby Booth breaks down how this journey isn’t just about sex, but rather about wounded-ness in hearts. Robby also gives practical tools to combat treating our sexuality like soup, and living fully in the transformation God gives. Don’t give up your birthright! It’s time for a Soul Check, an open discussion with ministry leaders and mental health specialists focused on reinforcing the most important part of you–your soul! 2024-11-151h 03
Ministry Without Hating It#35: It May Be the Last Time | Perspective & Joy for Hard Ministry feat. Zach & Caitlin ThomasHow do you keep the “why” of ministry at the forefront of your ministry? Sometimes it takes a healthy dose of perspective of another leader’s reality. This episode with NextGen Leaders, Zach & Caitlin Thomas, may be one of those moments. In this interview they share how they’ve been able to see fruit in their inner city student ministries, the gospel burden every ministry leader should carry, and the importance of stepping back and saying, “But Look What God Did!” We also finally answer the debate of which city is actually the real “Little Chicago”.Resources Highli...2024-10-151h 15
Ministry Without Hating It#34: Follow Your Rabbi | The Practice of People Over Performance feat. Marty SchminkeyHow does a failed hunting trip transform the way you minister to others? In this episode our guest, Pastor Marty Schminkey, pulls no punches in sharing how God has used moments like these to change the trajectory of his heart, and ultimately the way he leads others. With authenticity, Marty unpacks how the way he serves, loves and bleeds with others is directly tied to the level of which he practices presence with his Rabbi. We’re shootin’ straight with this one!Resources Highlighted in this Interview: The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: How to Stay...2024-09-151h 13
Ministry Without Hating It#33: Just Show Up | As You Go, I Will Show feat. Nina SimsDo you ever feel unqualified, or under-equipped as a leader? Well good news, you're not alone! In this episode Pastor and Church Planter, Nina Sims, shares with us how her motto of "Just Show Up" is a daily exercise in courage and confidence in the belief that God placing you in leadership was not an accident. And as you show up, God will too.Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Connect further with Nina: Facebook - True Worship Church, Instagram - @trueworshipdetroitGuest Bio:Pastor Nina Sims is a devoted servant o...2024-08-151h 21
Ministry Without Hating It#32: Soul Check | The Lord’s Prayer for Leaders Pt. 2 feat. Robby BoothIt’s time for a Soul Check, an open discussion with ministry leaders and mental health specialists focused on reinforcing the most important part of you–your soul! In this episode we get Part 2 of our discussion with our friend, Robby Booth, breaking down the practicalities of Healing and Strengthening the Ministry Leader’s soul through the Lord’s Prayer.Resources Highlighted in this Interview: The Dream Center Los AngelesConnect further with Robby at rbooth777@gmail.comGuest Bio:Robby Booth alongside his wife, Bonita, presently serves the NCO as the direc...2024-07-2433 min