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Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastChallenges and Considerations for Excel and AccessibilityIn this episode of Chax Chat, hosts Chad Chelius and Dax Castro tackle real-world challenges in document accessibility, focusing on tools like Microsoft Word, Excel, and Adobe Acrobat. They explore common issues with tables and cells, such as merged headers and layout complexities, and share practical tips for ensuring accessibility across different formats. The conversation includes strategies for managing accessibility in spreadsheets and PDFs, highlighting the nuances of remediation. Plus we are introduced to Chad’s cat, more Koi talk, and how to snag a Chax freebie.2025-05-2738 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastTips for Exporting from PowerPoint to PDFIn this episode of ChaxChat, hosts Chad Chelius and Dax Castro delve into document accessibility with a focus on real-world challenges and professional development. This episode highlights tools and strategies that bridge the gap between aesthetics and functionality. Working in MS Word, Powerpoint and Adobe Acrobat. Using the Microsoft accessibility checker. Qualitative VS quantitative. And of course Koi Talk.2025-05-1347 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastTemplate Traps: When Accessibility Isn’t Built InIn this episode of Chax Chat, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro take a hard look at the hidden risks of relying on templates for accessible content. They unpack how even well-intentioned templates can bake in bad practices and create barriers at scale when not built with accessibility in mind. From heading structures to color contrast, the duo shares tips on what to look out for and how to fix it. They also touch on recent accessibility lawsuits that highlight the real-world consequences of getting it wrong. So settle in, grab your favorite beverage, and let’s talk about how to...2025-04-1542 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAI and Remediation: Help or Hype?In this episode of Chax Chat, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro dive into the world of artificial intelligence and its role in accessibility. From AI-generated alt text to document remediation tools, they explore the balance between automation and accuracy. You’ll hear real-world examples, a few rants, and some solid advice for those navigating this evolving landscape. Whether you’re curious about what’s next or skeptical of the hype, this episode offers valuable insights and a few laughs along the way. So pour yourself a cup of curiosity, and let’s jump right in!2025-04-0132 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastMastering PDF Accessibility: Common Pitfalls and Pro TipsIn this episode of Chax Chat, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro tackle some of the most common challenges in document accessibility. From overlooked tagging issues to the hidden complexities of tables and lists, they break down key remediation strategies that can save you time and frustration. Whether you're a seasoned pro or just starting out, this conversation is packed with practical tips to help you create compliant, user-friendly PDFs. So sit back, grab your favorite mug of whatever, and let’s get into it! 2025-02-0636 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastUnderstanding Alt Text, Actual Text, Extended Descriptions and CaptionsEffective use of alt text, actual text, extended descriptions, and captions are essential for helping the users of accessibility tools read the document the way you intended. Most documents contain more than words alone. Graphics, graphs, photos, and even stylized formats are used to enhance the reader experience. But oftentimes, these visual elements disrupt or even create a barrier for users of AT. In today’s episode of Chax Chat, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro discuss some of the pitfalls and barriers caused by the misuse of these important information tools. We talk through different real life ex...2024-05-1831 min
PR & LattesGAAD Special - A latte with Chad Chelius and Dax CastroSend us a textIn this episode, Matisse chats with Chad Chelius, ADS, and Dax Castro, ADS, two accessible document experts and host of the accessibility podcast CHAX Chat. About Chad Chelius, ADSChad Chelius is a trainer, author, consultant, speaker, Director of Training Solutions and Principal at Chax Training and Consulting. He resides in the Philadelphia area and has been using Adobe products for over 25 years. As an Adobe Certified Instructor, Accessible Document Specialist, and Consultant, he teaches and advises on all Adobe print and web products, specializing in InDesign and...2024-05-161h 11Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastDesigning with Accessibility in MindToday on Chax Chat we talk about designing with accessibility in mind. Creating an accessibility-first mindset is essential to the success of creating documents that maximize accessibility from the start and avoid the time drain of accessibility at the end or redoing the work when the inevitable last-minute change comes. Join Chad Chelius and Dax Castro as they break down Designing accessible trifolds Implementing accessible QR codes Captions Table of Contents, and; Reasons to avoid Drop Caps 2024-05-0931 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWord to PDF Pitfalls: Unraveling barriers you may not be aware ofMicrosoft Word is said to be one of the best applications for making accessible documents, but how true is that claim? There are a lot of practices that designers use that set them back while working within Word. Join Chad Chelius and Dax Castro as they talk about some of the most common issues document creators encounter when working within this application, best rules to follow to avoid those issues, and how to remediate your document when issues arise. Listen in and learn why you should use caution with templates, missing or artifact document covers within the h...2024-04-2336 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastInDesign Accessibility Tips we wish we knew sooner!Learn our favorite tips, tricks, and shortcuts to creating accessible documents in Indesign! Every application has hidden secrets, some so good you wish you knew them sooner. Join Chad Chelius and Dax Castro as they share their experiences behind these shortcuts, how they found them, and how each tip can help you become a quicker, more proficient document accessibility expert. In this episode, we will cover how to name and outline heading levels, adding styles to headers, editing all export tags, different techniques to add Items to the articles panel, using the escape key to se...2024-04-1637 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessibility Usage Survey Results UnraveledUnderstanding how people use accessibility technology is essential to creating accessible media. In this episode, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro dive into the 2024 WebAIM “Screen Reader User Survey #10 Results” to get an inside look on who uses screen reading tools, and where they use them. They cover age, location, favorite reader, and more. Even though we are exploring a relatively small sample size, the information here is invaluable. So sit back, grab your favorite drink, and get our take on the data! Watch the video on our YouTube Channel @A11Y2024-03-1232 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastUnderstanding the User Experience of Assistive TechnologyIn this episode Chad Chelius and Dax Castro discuss what it means to understand the user experience of a screen reader as well as accessibility technology at large. Creating documents and digital media has its challenges, but what if your product does not respond the way you expect it to? Learn about how to adapt your understanding to the end user experience in today's episode. We are also excited to share two new A11y terms just for you! Introducing Chax-ified and Chax-essible! Other topics we cover today include our new partnership with Tamman, Inc, the experience of being...2024-03-0534 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessible QR Code Structure RevealedIn this episode, Dax Castro and Chad Chelius talk about the troubles with creating QR codes and reveal the common mistakes people make when trying to make them accessible. They show you how to create them, how to set the placement correctly, and what your options are when it comes to making accessible QR codes for your documents. Chad even shows how you can use InDesign to make your QR codes right in the program. If you struggle with accessible QR codes definitely tune into this episode!2024-01-2636 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastThe Top 10 Questions Document Accessibility Newbies Ask: Part 1In this final episode for 2023 we look back at the most frequently asked questions by people just starting out in document accessibility. We also dropped a major announcement about the future of Chax Training and Consulting. So you definitely don't want to miss this episode. Top 5 Questions: Do Span Tags Matter? Do Container Tags Matter? How Long Should Alt-text Be? Can I have more than one H1 in my document? What is the difference between deleting a tag and artifacting one? If you felt like we missed any or want to post a final message...2023-12-2936 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastCan you have forms in Tables?In this episode, Chad and Dax discuss the merits of having form fields inside tables. When is it okay? When should you avoid tables as a means of laying out accessible form-based documents? Listen in and you will learn what to ask and how to determine if it is okay to put your form in a table. We also take a quick look at the new PAC 2024 interface and our thoughts on the new release.2023-12-0837 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAn Accessible Alternative to Canva: Venngage CEO Eugene WooYou have heard us mention Venngage a few times and have featured it on our podcast. Now we thought it would be great to invite Venngage CEO, Eugene Woo on the program to talk about is journey in creating this accessible online design tool. We talk about the struggles and costs of going down the road of accessibility but more importantly, the cost of NOT going down that path. Eugene also discusses how they took the opportunity to teach unfamiliar users about accessibility as they create their documents with the hope of getting more people thinking about accessibility from...2023-10-0934 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessible Pie Charts: Can they be TOO accessible?Chad and Dax take this session to talk about the possibility of having too much accessibility in the form of multiple patterns in pie charts. They discuss the merits of several approaches to making pie charts visually more accessible. Stick around to hear them give out some secret sauce for troubleshooting tables that just don't seem to want to pass accessibility. Their tip might just save you hours of needlessly hunting for the mislabeled property. Oh, and if you want to skip the koi pond banter, skip ahead 7 minutes. Watch this podcast on YouTube: https://youtu.be...2023-10-0636 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastColorblind Considerations when Creating Accessible Charts and GraphsAre you using accessible color contrast and colorblind-friendly designs? Chad answers the question: "Does it really Matter if I make my designs colorblind compliant?" Learn some important colorblind statistics and find out who needs to make their designs accessible? We share some things you can do to make your graphic colors accessible and review the WCAG success criteria 1.4.1 Use of Color. Dax gives you some easy ways to make your maps more accessible and Chad shares the color contrast ratio for Graphics and his preferences for making line graphs more accessible. 2023-09-2031 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWho does the Reading Order affect? This Guest: Sonya Lewis!Senior UX Researcher, Inclusive Designer and Accessibility Design Lead Sonya Lewis agrees to be our guest this week to talk about how the Reading Order in PDFs impacts her ability to apply for heathcare enrollement, participate in her workplace and overall online presence. Chad and I loved her response when we asked the question "What do you say to people who think the Reading Order in PDFs doesn't really matter?" Be sure to listen in to hear Chad ask an important question about Snoop Dogg and his role in accessibility. This episode is one of the best we've had...2023-09-1230 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAn Accessible Alternative to Canva?We stumbled on to an online design tool that is giving Canva a run for their money. We show you our first impressions about the product and the accessibility features it has and a few ways we might suggest improving it. We also reveal the new EASY way to set the PDF/UA Identifier in Adobe Acrobat. Dax mentions the upcoming guest and their struggles with reading order in PDF documents. Finally, Chad reveals some insights on Form Tags: Before or after the text label?2023-09-0530 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastIs Alternate text for hyperlinks really required?Listen to Chad and Dax talk about alternate descriptions for hyperlinks and what WCAG has to say about it. We mention PDF/UA-2 set to remove the mandatory requirement for alternate link descriptions. Chad shares a users comment "I want users of assistive technology to have the same crappy experience a sighted person has when reading long URLs." You will get a chuckle out of our "Six Degrees of separation from Dyson," and why where the link takes you matters. Later on we discuss how visual cues reduce our cognitive load and share the PDF for the D...2023-08-2442 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastDo I really need to set the Reading Order in my PDF?CAUTION: Highly controversial accessibility topics in this podcasts: Do we need to set the reading order in my PDFs? 2. Title Tag or H1? We discuss a real-world situation where someone's barrier to information in a PDF is not vision. However, because of a traumatic event this person has dyslexia and requires audio input to fully understand the content on the page they are reading. We discuss how reading order is affected by the source document. We look at MS Word and InDesign and discuss the challenges with each when considering reading order. We also discuss designing with a...2023-08-1653 min
BackTable ENTEp. 123 Health Equity Research in Pediatric Head and Neck Cancer with Dr. Daniel Chelius and Dr. Jeffrey Rastatter, Hosted by Dr. Anthony SheynIn this episode of BackTable ENT, pediatric otolaryngologists Dr. Anthony Sheyn (St. Jude Children’s Hospital & Le Bonheur Children’s Hospital), Dr. Jeffrey Rastatter (Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago), and Dr. Daniel Chelius (Texas Children’s Hospital), discuss challenges and research in health equity in pediatric head and neck cancer care.---SHOW NOTESFirst, the surgeons define the Social Determinants of Health (SDoH) and explain how studying these factors improves care. They share memories of when they first reckoned with health inequities as clini...2023-08-0845 minChax Chat Accessibility Podcast7 Questions to ask yourself before creating an accessible infographicThis week's podcast is truly an amazing goldmine of information if you struggle with creating accessible infographics? Chad Chelius and Dax Castro walk through 7 Questions to ask yourself before creating an accessible infographic: What do we want the user experience to be? What is the most important information? Does Content order matter? Does color or line weight indicate additional information? What is the volume of data? (Do I need an alternate presentation?) Can I support the graphic with additional body text? Can I test the user experience? Stay tuned toward the end, where we talk about how...2023-07-3140 min
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...2023-07-2853 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastRecosoft Plugin that converts Powerpoint to InDesign with accessibility tagsIn this episode we talk with Recosoft Founder, Paul Chadha about Decks MoveIn. This is a great plugin for creating InDesign documents from PowerPoint slides. We all know that PowerPoint was never meant to be a desktop publishing software. It is a presentation tool. However, there are times when we need to push the content limits. Instead of spending an hour or more fixing your PDF, just move from PPT to InDesign and let the Decks MoveIn plugin from Recosoft help speed up the process. Stick around to learn more about how Decks MoveIn can even convert Keynote, Canva...2023-07-2640 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessible Document Covers and MapsIn this accessibility podcast episode, we discuss designing with accessibility in mind when it comes to the covers of magazines and maps in your PDF documents. We talk about the importance of reading order and understanding how a user might want to read the document from both a screen reader and a sighted user experience. This is a really great episode packed with some really interesting ideas on methods for presenting accessible content. For sure one of my favorite podcasts to date! 2023-07-2240 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastPDF Navbars: Barrier or poor user experience?In this episode we talk about the difference between barriers, violations and poor user experiences. We review a practice we are seeing more and more of, navigation bars inside PDF documents. We discuss a few solutions using Adobe InDesign to use these navigation bars in a more accessible way. Listen in and Chad will give you a huge time-saving way to incorporate those nav bars in the most accessible way possible. Dax talks about ways to structure your PDF document to improve the user experience even more. 2023-07-1242 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWhat California Assembly Bill AB 1757 means for Document RemediatorsIn this episode we cover the potential risks for remediation professionals concerning the newly released Assembly Bill AB 1757. We also reveal a very important bug in the latest update of Adobe Acrobat. Stick around to hear Chad and I explain the difference between alt-text, actual text and expansion text. Then Chad reveals how to turn off the new switched layout in the latest Acrobat Interface Update. Make sure you listen to the end to hear how Adobe fixes long style names and Chad reveals a tool I never knew existed in Adobe InDesign. He tells how the "Break Link t...2023-06-2942 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessible PowerPoint Presenting TipsJoin Chad Chelius and Dax Castro as they discuss some great tips for presenting accessibly when giving a PowerPoint (or OneNote) presentation. If you stay til the end you will get the URL to the handout that goes along with their talking points. I bet there are at least a few you hadn't considered! 2023-06-2045 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWebAIM statistics that might surprise you about NVDA and JAWSChad and Dax take a look at some interesting new trends from the WebAIM report published every few years. #9 has some really interesting turns in the statistics that we take a closer look at. 2023-05-2334 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWhat can we do to get companies to care beyond GAAD?Accessibility Advocate Cam Beaudoin joins Chad Chelius and Dax Castro on Global Accessibility Awareness day (GAAD) to talk about ways to keep your company motivated to take action to improve accessibility beyond the celebratory day. 2023-05-2350 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastEN 301 549 European Accessibility Standard: How much do you know?Chad Chelius and Dax Castro talk through some of the nuances of the European Accessibility Standard, EN 301 549. Do you know which countries adopted this standard? Some things we found were surprising and others just made sense. Stick around to hear our discussion on Reflow and why it is missing from the accessibility standard. 2023-05-0824 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastTop 7 Accessibility Struggles of new PDF RemediatorsIn this podcast, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro talk about the top 7 things that usually come up for people just starting their PDF remediation journey. How many of these have you experienced? Not only do we talk about them, we help you solve them! Listen in as we cover the following 7 struggles for new PDF accessibility remediators. What is the correct size for accessible text? My content disappeared! Reading Order messed up my Tags Tree! Links in my header/footer are not being tagged! My hyperlink descriptions are not being voiced! Why do I keep getting...2023-05-0243 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWhat is the difference between WCAG 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2 for PDF Documents?This episode of Chax Chat discusses what you need to know when transitioning from WCAG 2.0, 2.1 and getting ready for WCAG 2.2 for your PDF documents. We cover: 1.4.10 Reflow AA - Users with low vision who need to make things larger. The content will wrap inside the viewport instead of causing horizontal scroll. 1.4.11 Non-Text Contrast AA: Extends 3:1 contrast minimums to important graphical information, visible focus indicators and other interactive controls when those indicators are necessary to identify the control as interactive. 1.4.12 Text Spacing - people think this applies to PDF but it does not. Listen to the podcast to learn why. 2.5.8...2023-04-2543 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastVideo Podcast: How do you know if your document is compliant?Chad and Dax jump in front of the camera for this episode. You can find the video on our YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@a11y. In this eposide we cover the steps to making sure your document is compliant and usable. Many people do not understand what it means to be accessible and think that passing the PDF checker is all that is needed to "be accessible." You do not want to miss the key steps we cover that you need to make sure your document is actually usable for people using assistive technology and those with...2023-04-1842 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastHow to use the ISO-32000 PDF/UA Standard to understand accessible document structureAccessibility Podcast: How to use the FREE ISO-32000 PDF/UA Standard PDF Standard ISO 32000-2 is available for free! Chad and Dax peel back the cover of the 1003 page PDF/UA standard. They focus on Chapter 14 and key areas you might find useful. Download the standard at PDFA.org/sponsored-standards and follow along with us. Make sure you are using MS Edge because we found the cart has some compatibility challenges. Chax hits 25,000 podcast downloads Pave the Way to Global Accessibility Awareness Day Visit: http://nic.edu/PWGAAD Be sure to l...2023-04-1137 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastPave the Way to Global Accessibility Awareness DayGuests Jeremy Seda IT Accessibility Coordinator and Jacalyn Stallings Vocational Rehab Counselor tell us all about the upcoming Pave the Way for Global Accessibility Awareness Day at North Idaho College April 19th. We talk about creating a culture of change and a few teaching moments related to unintended microagressions. It was great to hear Jeremy's approach to keeping momentum and building a culture of intentional accessibility at North Idaho College. Jacalyn brought up an amazing benefit for audio descriptions that we had not considered. This is a great episode that you definitely don't wanna miss. 2023-04-0439 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastMapping Custom Style in MS Word and Adobe InDesignShould certifications be hard? Chad and I discuss Karl Groves' recent article that discusses the question and why we agree. Chad and I discuss another great question: "Do links always need alt-text?" We take a look at what WCAG 2.4.4 Link Purpose says and whether it supports, or doesn't support the idea that hyperlinks always need alt-text. You have to listen to Dax's analogy as he compares an insole and a shoe to an annotation and the link text. Listen to the What do you think? Did you know that when you apply alt-text to a link the...2023-03-2837 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastHow to convert PowerPoints and PDFs to InDesign with PDF2IDSpecial guest Harpaul Chadha (Paul) from Recosoft Corporation, joins us to talk about solutions for creating InDesign files from Accessible PowerPoint and PDF documents! WHAT??!?! Yep. PowerPoint to InDesign is a thing and DecksMoveIn makes it happen, accessibly! Paul talks about how DecksMovein considers accessibility when importing your content. This plugin transfers your reading order, alt-text and creates styles to properly import your PowerPoint content into InDesign. Chad and I mention the possible opportunity to move clients from PowerPoint to InDesign. We remeniss about a client or two that use PowerPoint to create...2023-03-1335 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastCanva Accessibility Considerations and dealing with Inline Elements in WordChad and Dax talk about the journey of accessibility for the online design platform, CANVA. You may be surprised to know that just a few months ago there were no tags available for any CANVA document. While they have made some improvements and documents are now saving with some semblance of tags, there is still a long way to go to meet the WCAG Success Criteria 1.3.1 Info and Relationships. If you are using CANVA as a design platform you do not want to miss this episode. Share this post with your Art Director if they are telling...2023-03-0728 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessible Table SecretsAccessible Tables Podcast Chad and Dax jump feet first into dispelling some myths about accessible tables and have a change in thinking about another common table practice. Be sure to listen how Dax's opinion on the A1 cell has changed. Chad makes a great arguement for maintaining the best practice of adding a meaningful label in the A1 cell. Make sure to say tuned to hear our plea to Adobe to allow us access to a key area of a table from the tags tree and Dax's super secret tip for troubleshooting a broken table. ...2023-02-2331 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastADA Digital Accessibility Lawsuits and Trends Report with Jason Taylor of UsableNetJoin Chad Chelius and Dax Castro as they welcome Jason Taylor Chief Innovations Officer at UsableNet to discuss the ADA Digital Accessibility Lawsuits and Trends Report. Learn how they collect the data for the report. Find out what happened in 2017 that sparked the report. Chad brings up the topic of Overlays and the ensuing discussion may shock you. Dax has a suprising point of view on them. Find out the answer to the question of "Who is checking anyway?" Chad brings up the different legal point of view between Canada's legal outlook on accessibility and...2023-02-1436 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessible Epubs: What you need to knowJoin our guests Christine Foushi and John Foliot of Content Industries as they talk about accessible epubs. We explore the different versions, how they are structured. Did you know that epubs are basically HTML 5 documents? Stay tuned to listen to us talk about the importance of metadata at the book-level rather than the data-level. We reveal the secret of converting a zip to an epub and how to reverse engineer a word doc to get to the hidden zip contents! Christine and I also have a great discussion about the woes and wonders of alt-text for images. Finally, we...2023-01-3144 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastMulti-line Hyperlinks: Why they happen and what do to about them!Listen to Chad and and Dax talk about the accessibility problems that are created when typed hyperlinks span multiple lines. We give you the reasons why it happens and some workarounds to fixing it or planning for them. Make sure you listen until the end learn how to set alt-text using Adobe Bridge and our thoughts on captions and alt-text uses. You will learn when to use either. Are you using them correctly?2023-01-1736 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessibility Checkers: Are they enough?Guest David Herr, VP of Enterprise Solutions at Allyant joins us to talk about accessibility checkers and discuss the answer to"Are they enough?" Do you know what the standards are they are checking for? David talks about the difference between CommonLook Validator and CommonLook PDF and announces CommonLook Online. We take a moment to lament about fixing errors manually and with power tools. Make sure you stick around to hear the announcement of PAC for MAC! It is here (online)! We wrap up by talking about Perfection versus No Significant Barrier and why State and Federal institutions cling...2023-01-1046 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastSpeeding up Accessibility for Adobe InDesignJoin Chad Chelius, ADS and Dax Castro, ADS for a special podcast featuring the benefits of using Axaio's MadeToTag plugin for Adobe InDesign. Do not forget to listen to the end for the special Adobe MAX giveaway! • Setting Row Headers in InDesign • Layout Tables? No problem • Fixing Complex Table • The 7 steps for accessibility using MadeToTag • Extended Style mapping • Easily edit alt-text in one place • New features releasing at Adobe MAX • Set the Initial View preset • The End notes paradox • Addressing Multi-line Hyperlinks • Why long style names break the role map • Ca...2022-10-1837 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastExciting Alt-text Announcement for Adobe BridgeOur guest Caroline Desrosiers of Scribely joins us to talk about her role in the upcoming Adobe Bridge update for accessible meta data. She also discusses why alt-text can be so challenging and even reveals some of the questions her team uses to create meaningful descriptions. 2022-10-1240 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWhen to edit the source or PDF documentThe question of when to edit the source versus the PDF document almost seems obvious to answer. But our discussion might surprise you. We also talk about the Content Key for Alt-text in Adobe InDesign and why (for now) filling it out might just be time NOT well spent. Do not miss this episode if you are an InDesign user. We promise there are some great nuggets of wisdom in this show.2022-09-2734 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastUnderstanding the Accessibility Checker in Microsoft WordAccessibility Podcast #32: Understanding the Accessibility Checker in Microsoft Word. There is so much packed into this podcast that I can hardly believe it myself. Chad and I walk through some of the handouts for our upcoming MS Word Accessibility class on Sept. 29th and we also talk about several key features and steps for making your Word docs accessible. We also discuss the most common Checker errors you will encounter: 1. Missing Alt-text 2. Image or Object Inline 3. Merged or Split Cells in a table 4. Check the Read Order 5. H...2022-09-2038 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastA Footnote and Endnote EpiphanyChad talks about his recent discovery of solving the Acrobat error that pops up when you have an Lbl (Label) as a footnote tag without an accompanying L (List) tag structure. We also review what the ISO standard has to say about it and why. Stick around to listen to us review the three most common problems people run into when trying to test documents with a screen reader. I am betting you are doing at least one of them. 2022-09-1339 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastThe "Last Mile" approach to document accessibilityChad and Dax talk about the "Last Mile" approach to creating accessible documents. They discuss the tools to help you get your documents passed that last mile and what to do when you simply don't have time. Have you ever heard of the H tag? We know about H1 through H6 but the seldom talked about H tag has been long forgotten because NVDA and JAWS simply voice this tag as a paragraph rather than voicing "Heading." Listen in as Chad and Dax talk about what they discovered regarding this tag and how it can now be...2022-09-0736 minChax Chat Accessibility Podcast5 Ways to get your team on board with accessibility?5 Ways to get your team on board with accessibility. 1. Start with awareness by asking: a. Did you know how this works for screenreader users? b. Have you seen this cool app for color blind simulation c. Did you read this article on Harvard's efforts to caption their videos? 2. Chad discusses how to demonstrate easy wins 3. Learn how tracking time can help get people on board to cut down workflow 4. Find out the secrets of snacks and how they can open the door to accessibility acceptance...2022-08-3039 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastDesigning with Accessibility in MindThis week Chad Chelius and Dax Castro talk about some of the key topics in their upcoming class "Designing with Accessibility in Mind" Listen in as they focus on things like the difference between Actual Text and Alt-text and you might be surprised at their discussion on PowerPoint and adding a description of decorative to the alt-text in the PPT draft. They also talk about AAA accessibility considerations and why it can be an unreachable goal to be 100% AAA compliant. Do not forget to use Promo code EARLYB22 to get $75 off the upcoming course happening September 15th!2022-08-2340 min
Chax Chat Accessibility Podcast7 accessibility fails you can discover using NVDACheck out this episode as we walk through 7 accessibility fails you would never know where there without testing with a NVDA. We sneak in about 5 or 6 other things to watch out for as well. If you don't have the PDF that goes with this episode you can download it on our website chaxchat.com or reach out to us on LinkedIn for a copy.2022-08-1649 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastEvaluating the Accessible User ExperienceDo you ask yourself "What do I want the end-user experience to be?" when designing your forms? What about the heading structure of your document? Chad and Dax take this episode to talk about what you should be asking and how your decisions impact the user's experience. We talk about forms, heading navigation, bookmarks, footnotes and endnotes, and even captions and where to put the accessible transcript when you have one. You definitely do not want to miss our discussion on the Shared Destinations bug in Adobe InDesign as well.2022-08-0230 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastBuilding tables with accessibility in mindThere are so many good nuggets of info in this podcast on tables! If you struggle with tables, you cannot miss this episode. I think the biggest takeaway was when we go over the process of table self-discovery: Why did I put this in here? What do I hope the user will get out of it? Am I presenting it in a way that meets my goal? Why am I presenting it this way? Why are there so many compartments in this table? Do not forget to listen to the end for the 50% off ONE DAY ONLY...2022-07-2534 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastInterview: Large Healthcare org reveals their accessibility journeyWe are really excited to share this week's accessibility podcast with you. We interview Senior Creative Manager "Jason" from a large healthcare organization about the challenges of balancing accessibility and workload in his department. He talks about their initial journey, understanding the gaps, and how his team is leveraging accessibility Subject Matter Experts to bring their designs across the accessibility finish line. Jason relates the realities of this delicate balance to maximize productivity while ensuring compliance. You definitely do not want to miss this episode if you are struggling with the dilemma of workload, budget, and accessibility.2022-07-2248 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastThe Power of Accessible SVGsAccessible SVGs (Scalable Vector Graphics) featuring Guest Heather Neff of Equivalent Design. If you have ever wanted to understand how smart SVG graphics can increase accessibility while maintaining brand style this is the podcast for you. Chad and Dax talk with Heather Neff about her goal to bring SVGs to the world "One graphic at a time." We talk about embedded alt-text and how WordPress now pulls description metadata straight from your images and how that can improve your search engine placement.2022-07-1143 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastHow do I hire more people with disabilities in my organization?In this episode, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro talk about the difference in what you want and what you show as it relates to the idea of hiring more people with disabilities in your organization. We also discuss the article they wrote discussing why companies are turning to in-house accessibility remediation and compliance teams and the three common problems driving the decision. 1. Outsourcing accessibility can be expensive 2. Our workflow requires tight turnaround times 3. New commitment DEI Other topics include the importance of workflow and QA/QC when dealing with non-native languages and Battling...2022-07-0537 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessible Forms - Circle gets a SquareIn this accessibility podcast, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro talk about common pitfalls in creating accessible PDF forms. We passionately discuss the merits of circles and squares related to checkboxes and radio buttons. We also share some great insights on our upcoming webinar Document Accessibility in Higher Education. Be sure to register on our website - Accessibilityunraveled.com. Other topics in this great podcast include: Your first blind student: Are you ready? Accessibility Workflow roadblocks in Higher Ed Register here: http://bit.ly/ChaxHE Creating Fillable PDF Forms Why not j...2022-06-2834 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWhat does it mean to be an Accessibility Advocate?In this accessibility podcast, Chad Chelius and Dax Castro discuss what it actually means to be an accessibility advocate. Accessibility is piled on to most people's workload. However, taking a personal interest in digital accessibility usually takes hold after your first few months. But what does that really mean? What is the difference between being a remediator and an advocate? What do you do when there is pushback from your company? From a vendor? From your department? These can be tricky situations. 2022-06-2234 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastIs "Just email us for an accessible version." Pass or Fail?This episode has lots of great tidbits but there are two standout sections of this podcast. We talk about the merits of an untagged PDF document that links to an HTML alternate version or to an email address. Is this an acceptable practice? We debate both sides. Listen in because I think you will very surprised when we tell you which agency is doing this. We also talk about Table structure and how the PDF/UA standard can help you understand if your tables need scope. 2022-06-1640 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastGuest James Warnken: Screen Readers versus MagnifiersIn this episode we are joined by accessibility advocate, blogger and TikTok personality James Warnken. We discuss James' new blog post:"Screen Magnifiers are no longer the option for low vision users." As a low-vision AT user, James shares with us his findings when he asked his TikTok audience what technology they use most. His answers are definitely insightful.2022-06-0741 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastChax Training and Consulting Launches!Chad and Dax have joined force to use their accessibility superpowers for good! Please listen to our exciting announcement in this special short podcast episode. We talk about the upcoming online training "Document Testing with a Screen Reader" and all the exciting new features of the site including how you can book our time to solve those one-off problems in our booking calendar. If you register early you can save $75 off our first two classes and get 20% off your next one!2022-05-2712 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastTables, Captions, Figures and Footnotes...Oh My!In this podcast Chad and I talk about turning the InDesign limitations of exporting Caption Tags into a benefit. We also explore some alternate presentations to bar charts and how to deal with banks of images labeled by a single figure title. We also review two different references in the 14289-1 PDF/UA standard and how they apply to footnotes and figured. Be sure to stick around for our discussion on how solving one accessibility barrier can create another!2022-05-2537 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastChantilly Lace: What do I do with alt-text for color swatches?How do you tag a catalog that has a full page of color swatches? Chad and Dax tackle this and several other burning questions. We review our amazing time at Creative Pro Week and Knowbility AccessU. Dax reveals a 'seemingly obvious' tip to change focus from the tags or bookmark bar to the main content using keyboard only in NVDA. Be sure to stick around to hear how Chad blew Dax's mind while on-stage at Creative Pro Week.2022-05-1844 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWhat level of Accessibility risk are you willing to accept?Join Chad and Dax as they reveal several hidden techniques like disabling MS Word's Automatic Alt-text. Do you know what a Graphical Object is? Make sure you listen in and hear them explain some key principles of accessible color that many people misinterpret. Listen to Chad explain how accessibility is like a hole in a piece of paper. This is definitely an episode packed full of nuggets of wisdom. 2022-05-0341 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWhat Alt-text and Indoor Mapping have in commonJoin us and our guests from Goodmaps, Evelyn Tichenor, Chief of Staff & Mike May, Chief Evangelist as we talk about indoor mapping and the challenges of too little or too much information. We discuss the struggles of the visual world and how our brains are constantly artifacting items all around us. Goodmaps is a smartphone camera-based application that allows you to navigate a pre-mapped indoor environment. Do not miss Mike May talking about how travel is completely different for someone with a visual disability and how important context and 'extra information' can be. 2022-04-2630 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastMultiple Languages for Screen ReadersJoin us this week as we talk with Amanda Mace, one of two Australia-based W3C evangelists and Office Manager for the W3C's Australian Western Region and Vice President of Australasia for AbleDocs. In this episode we cover how to deal with multiple languages with a screen reader like NVDA and JAWS. Other topics include: • The nuances of English-US, English-AU, English-CA and English-UK • Install NVDA and JAWS language packs • The initial shock of always-on screen readers • How to silence your screen reader • Upcoming Webinar on Document Accessibility Testing with a Scr...2022-04-1939 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastNative AT User Perspective: Chris SmartChris Smart brings a unique perspective as a native Assistive Technology user to the world of document accessibility. Listen in as Chad Chelius and Dax Castro, ADS dive into some of the struggles of using assistive technology and balancing features versus clear navigation. Additional topics include: • Creative Pro Week One-Two Punch • Guest Chris Smart Native AT User and Accessibility Tester • Accessible Form Frustrations • Scanned PDFs vs Print to PDF • Forms Mode Experiences • The List of Lists for AT users • Differences in PDF Document Exploration • How Screen Reader Ex...2022-04-1540 min
Passive Income Unlocked213. Making Investment Decisions That Bring You Peace of Mind with John CheliusOftentimes you look out for investments that enable you to grow your income quickly, but are you sure those investments make you feel peace of mind? In today’s episode, we have a great conversation with John Chelius on why investing in assets that make you feel comfortable is important. John is a managing partner at Montlake Residential, a firm that focused on value-add workforce housing in major US cities with high barriers to entry, strong job, and population growth, and favorable regulatory environments. John started his career in Los Angeles helping large institutional groups like Colony Ca...2022-04-1510 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastWCAG Explained PDF Download, Accessible Money and MoreDo not miss the details on how to get the free downloadable PDF entitled WCAG in Plain English that covers the principles you need to know for document accessibility. Chad and Dax recap their CSUN Assistive Technology Conference and how Chad ran into Stevie Wonder. Catch their discussion on Accessible Tables with Colors, the Drawbacks of Excel for Accessibility, Accessible Money and foreign currency with a screen reader. 2022-04-0446 min
OPERACIÓN MAMUTLeticia Calderón Chelius viene al aula cuaternaria (27/03/2022)La doctora, investigadora y profesora Leticia Calderón Chelius, nos visita en el Teocalli para platicar con Fernando Rivera Calderón, Nora Huerta y Jairo Calixto Albarrán, acerca de migraciones, movilidad humana internacional y otros temas cuaternarios. Y como de costumbre, Las cazadoras de Tepexpan le ponen ritmo al aquelarre, y la Cabeza Olmeca, Quetzalcóatl y el Tiranoclaudio X, la boruca.2022-03-2854 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastLive from CSUN Assistive Tech ConferenceIf you didn't get to see us live at the Center on Disabilities at CSUN Assistive Technology Conference, or get to watch the video, here is the audio podcast version of the show. It is PACKED with tons of info and almost a full hour long!!!! We even answered questions from our online and live audience. Topics include: • Dealing with Math Symbols in your documents • Missing spaces between words • Answering questions from listeners • Nothing about us without us: The best part of CSUN. • Creating an Accessibility Brand Guide for y...2022-03-2258 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastDocument Accessibility amidst COVIDTune in this week to hear our guest Jeremy Seda from North Idaho College as we discuss some of the struggles of accessibility awareness at the college level and the ongoing state of document accessibility amidst the COVID Pandemic. This episode we discuss: Pave the Way for Global Accessibility Awareness Day (PWGAAD) - April 20, 2022 • Funkify Disability Simulation Plugin • How Jujitsu applies to Document Accessibility • Covid Cases or Inaccessible Information: Which grew faster? • How the CDC improved their level of Document Accessibility • Say My Meme Accessibility Podcast • Be My Eyes •...2022-03-0840 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastDocument Accessibility in Higher EducationJoin Chad and Dax as they preview their upcoming session at the CSUN Assistive Technology Conference on Document Accessibility in Higher Education. They discuss the problems with multiple source files, HTML as a 'more accessible' version of digital content as well as 4 things you can do today to create more accessible content. Be sure to stick around as they talk about WCAG and the PAC checker and when it is okay to delete a tag from the tags tree without triggering untagged content errors.2022-03-0246 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastWhat are the PDF/UA Standards I need for AccessibilityDid you miss yesterday's NEW ACCESSIBILITY PODCAST Episode on PDF/UA Standards? We cover which standard to use and why. Do you know the difference between a block-level and inline-level element? We unravel the mystery. We even give you some great tips on how to use guides like 14289-1, the Matterhorn Protocol and the PDF/UA Syntax Guide to help further evaluate your documents for accessibility. 2022-02-1635 min
BackTable ENTEp. 49 Building Centers of Excellence for Pediatric Head and Neck Tumors with Dr. Anthony Sheyn, Dr. Daniel C. Chelius, and Dr. Jeff C. RastatterAll-star panel Daniel Chelius, Jeff C. Rastatter, and Anthony Sheyn discuss the challenges and importance of building centers of excellence for pediatric head and neck cancer.---EARN CMEReflect on how this Podcast applies to your day-to-day and earn AMA PRA Category 1 CMEs: https://earnc.me/SXwP9d---SHOW NOTESIn this episode of BackTable ENT, Dr. Gopi Shah leads a panel discussion about building centers of...2022-02-1544 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessible BookmarksWho knew there were this many facets of Bookmarks for Accessibility. Listen in as Chad and Dax dissect the nuances of accessible bookmarks! I guarantee you will learn at least one thing you didn't know. • Accessible Bookmarks • Keyboard Accessibility Gymnastics • Benefits of Bookmarks • When Are Bookmarks Required for Accessibility? • Do Headings Follow Bookmarks? • Designing your Documents with Bookmarks in Mind • WCAG SC 2.4.6 Heading and Labels • Leveraging AI to Detect Headings • Create Bookmarks on Export • Creating Bookmarks in the PDF • Styling and Properly Nesting Bookmarks • Setting the Initial View of the Book2022-02-0829 minPassive Income Unlocked157. Losing Nothing and Gaining Everything with John CheliusTitle: Losing Nothing and Gaining Everything with John Chelius Here's a few introduction from John: I started my career in Los Angeles helping large institutional groups like Colony Capital and Tricon Residential buy, renovate, and manage large single family home portfolios in Southern California. Starting in 2014 I started buying and managing workforce apartment buildings in California, Texas, and Arizona and have sponsored more than 1,700 units, most of which we still own. Let’s hear more of his story! [00:01 - 09:15] Opening Segment Let’s welcome my guest for today...2022-02-0332 minPassive Income Unlocked157. Losing Nothing and Gaining Everything with John CheliusTitle: Losing Nothing and Gaining Everything with John Chelius Here's a few introduction from John: I started my career in Los Angeles helping large institutional groups like Colony Capital and Tricon Residential buy, renovate, and manage large single family home portfolios in Southern California. Starting in 2014 I started buying and managing workforce apartment buildings in California, Texas, and Arizona and have sponsored more than 1,700 units, most of which we still own. Let’s hear more of his story! [00:01 - 09:15] Opening Segment Let’s welcome my guest for today...2022-02-0332 minChax Chat Accessibility PodcastRisk: The Accessibility Elephant in the RoomJoin Chad and Dax as they have a candid discussion about a topic many shy away from: Risk. They answer the tough questions almost every accessibility specialist gets from their boss or client. "Who is gonna check anyway?" and "Isn't this enough?" and the ever-amazing kicker of a statement "There are not that many blind people who are gonna want this document." If you are struggling with answering these questions or just want to feel like someone else feels your pain, this episode is for you. I challenge you to share this with your boss and have that real conversation...2022-02-0125 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastThe Use of Color in TablesListen in as Chad and Dax talk about some creative solutions to using color coding inside tables while still meeting accessibility. Be sure to catch us at the CSUN Assistive Technology Conference in Anaheim this March! This eposide includes the following: The Stoplight Syndrome Using Symbols to convey color in a table The Legend Matters for Accessibility When Size Doesn't Matter Actual Text for Blank Cells no-no Accessibility Roulette "Accessibility at the End" has a Cost Presenting Alternatives instead of "That's Not Accessible" Be the Solutions Person 2022-01-2533 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastEffective Accessibility Goal Setting for 2022Start out the new year right by setting your accessibility goals for 2022. Listen in as Chad and Dax talk about how to set your goals by evaluating where you are in some key categories of accessibility and how to set a game plan for growing your accessibility skill set in 2022. Score yourself from 1 to 10 in each of the areas we talk about. Then develop a game plan to improve in those areas and re-evaluate yourself every 3 months to keep accountable.2022-01-1328 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastAutomating Alt-text descriptionsIn this episode we cover ways to increase productivity when assigning alt-text for large libraries of images. Topics include: • Automating Alt-text • How to make writing Alt-text easier • Storing Alt-text in Meta Data • Creating Alt-text in bulk • Alt-text Object Styles for InDesign • Alt-text Headline, Title and Description • Three ways to set Meta Data • Importing Accessible Styles • Setting default styles for every document2021-12-1521 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastDemystifying Accessibility Compliance StandardsJoin Chad Chelius and me, Dax Castro as we unravel the question "What standard to do I follow?" Learn when should I aim for AAA Compliance and the difference between WCAG and PDF/UA. Find out how to know the document is really accessible? We discuss some tips on writing alt-text vs providing alternate formats and be sure to stick around and listen to my first call with Be My Eyes and how it completely failed! 2021-12-0745 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastJob in Accessibility: Roles and SalariesThis week Chad and I take a look at the roles companies are hiring for in the field of accessibility. We talk about: The skills they are looking for Certifications you should have The responsibilities of the roles The salaries being offered The future of accessibility roles in the workplace We also talk about choosing a company with accessibility as a core value and the importance of properly training your accessibility teams. Bonus Content: The Validity of PDF as a format in Higher Education 2021-11-2337 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastGuest Jeff Lawrence: Implementing Accessibility in a Team EnvironmentGuest Jeff Lawrence, Senior Program Manager of the Creative Services Team at the World Bank talks with Chad and Dax about his journey in implementing accessibility for his team. We discuss the reasons for starting, the struggles along the way and the great progress he and his team have made. Don't miss the our tips for accessible bullets and end notes and I bet you will be surprised at the answer Jeff got when asking the Client to pay more for accessible documents. You definitely want to listen this week!2021-11-1546 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastWhy Accessibility isn't Black and WhiteIn this week's podcast Chad Chelius and I talk about being part of the IAAP - International Association of Accessibility Professionals Accessible Document Specialist Exam group. We discuss why Accessibility isn't Black and White and the Benefits of PDF/UA with WCAG. We mention Callas PDFgoHTML as and inspection tool for dealing with frustrations of the Table Editor in Acrobat. We take a deep look at accessible Footnotes inside Tables and how the table editor deals with them and finally we shed some light on the fact that Adobe is listening and cares about future improvements to Accessibility tools.2021-11-0925 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastAccessibility Questions from Adobe MAXThis week we take a closer look at some of the questions we received during the accessibility session at Adobe MAX: L200 Learning the Fundamentals of PDF Accessibility Step by Step. Chad was there during the live session were we had more than 3200 simultaneous attendees listening, watching, commenting and asking questions. Now that we have a few minutes we answer some of these questions with a bit more depth so be sure to listen to the end where Chad and I make a special announcement about an upcoming project!2021-11-0237 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastTesting for Accessibility with a Screen ReaderTesting tables with screen readers ensures a good user experience. Join Chad and Dax as they drop some great shortcut key combos you should know that will help you keep your sanity while exploring how a table is read by a screen reader. See Who's on Twitter and drop a comment on our transcript page to get a free sticker. 2021-10-2636 min
Chax Chat Accessibility PodcastSurprising Accessibility Conference Feedback from CEO David BlatnerDavid Blatner, CEO at Creative Pro Network talks about pivoting the Accessibility Conference from a live to an online and the surprising feedback he received.2021-10-1921 min
Grays in the HouseDr Karin Hugo and Emma CheliusDr Karin Hugo is a coach and Sport Scientist who obtained her PhD in sports science at Stellenbosch Univeristy. Karin was selected as a South African National coach to the Athens, London and Rio Paralympic Games, as well as the World Championships in 2011, 2013 and 2015. She has coached numerous swimmers with disabilities to various Paralympic and World Champ medals.
Emma Chelius is a South African swimmer. She competed in the women's 50 metre freestyle event at the 2017 & 2019 World Aquatics Championships. In 2018 she competed in 5 events at the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games. She has most recently qualified for the 2021...2021-05-2850 min
Dra. Leticia Calderón Chelius, I. MoraPrimeras cartas de Biden para su gabinete. Análisis de la Dra Leticia Calderón Chelius en Radar con Mario CamposLa Dra. Leticia Calderón Chelius, internacionalista y profesora investigadora del Instituto Mora analiza con Mario Campos en el programa Radar de la universidad Ibero, sobre la primera composición del gabinete de Biden para la política migratoria, económica y social.2020-11-2411 min
The Music City PodcastThe MCP #4 Cody Chelius (Mandolinist of Airshow)Mandolinist of Airshow, Cody Chelius, comes on the podcast to talk music with us. Listen to how Airshow came together and found their way to Nashville. Cody speaks on the influence of Phish and the Grateful Dead throughout his career playing tunes. We discuss the current trend of streaming and what goes into to making a quality live-stream. Check it out!2020-06-191h 00
En el lugar de la músicaMigración con la Dra. Leticia Calderón CheliusReflexión en torno a la Migración con la Dra. Leticia Calderón Chelius, investigadora del Instituto Mora.
Colaboración para el programa de radio "En el lugar de la música", una producción de la Fonoteca. INAH.
Conducción y producción: Aidee Balderas Medina
correo electrónico: aideebalderas@yahoo.com2020-03-1608 min