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Black and White and Thin Blue LinesThe 25th Amendment and Presidential DisabilitySend us a textJoin summer intern and law clerk Lauren Pountnay, Serge Antonin, and Clarke Ahlers as they veer off the beaten path of criminal justice issues to discuss something that everybody is talking about: the 25th Amendment to the United States Constitution. This isn't a political diatribe. One (or maybe two) of the hosts make reference to apparent shortfalls of President Biden. Still, this is a fair and balanced discussion of the constitutional process of dealing with presidential disability. We hope you will listen, or watch the "Vodcast" on YouTube. 2024-07-1336 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesLive from the United States Courthouse in Wilmington, Delaware: The Biden TrialSend us a textJoin Serge and Clarke and special guest Lauren Pountnay for this podcast about the Hunter Biden trial. Lauren is a rising senior at N.C. State. She is Clarke's intern/law clerk for the summer of 2024. Lauren and Clarke attended one day of the Hunter Biden trial in Delaware and are interviewed by Serge about the trial. If you follow this podcast, you may be surprised at Clarke's analysis but whether you listen to this podcast regularly or are a new listener, this is an interesting assessment of one of the nation's biggest...2024-06-1544 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesDiddy's Bad Boy RecordSend us a textIn this episode, Serge and Clarke discuss a video of Sean "Diddy" Combs assaulting Cassandra "Cassie" Ventura in the hallway of the L.A. InterContinental Hotel in 2016 as well as the recent Homeland Security search warrant raids on Diddy owned properties in Los Angeles and Miami. Clarke offers Diddy's team some legal advice. Serge disagrees. In the second portion of the podcast, the hosts discuss the defunded and demoralized Chicago Police Department's abject failure to timely respond to a woman's 911 call for help during a home invasion robbery. And ... this is t...2024-06-0135 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesSeason IV -- Episode One: Okaloosa Shooting Death & Marilyn Mosby's SentencingSend us a textSerge and Clarke begin Season IV with a discussion of the tragic shooting death of a United States Airman in his own home by a Deputy Sheriff in Okaloosa, Florida. Then Serge and Clarke discuss the efforts of Marilyn Mosby and her supporters, including the NAACP, to have the President of the United States pardon her before her sentencing in federal court. Clarke is okay with it; Serge ... not so much! It's an interesting episode with the podcast hosts mostly in disagreement. Where do you stand? 2024-05-1844 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesArtificial Intelligence Used in Genuine Stupidity and Crime!Send us a textIn Baltimore County, Maryland a man has been arrested and accused of creating and publishing a recording that purported to be a high school principal making offensive racial remarks to the vice-principal. This is the new world of artificial intelligence and is the topic of a discussion between Serge and Clarke. Be assured: this episode is a genuine Black and White and Thin Blue Lines podcast. Avoid cheap imitations!2024-05-0426 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Inside Skinny on a Jury Trial in Manatee County, FloridaSend us a textJoin Serge and Clarke as they share Nathan Steelman's experience sitting as a juror in judgment of a woman charged with domestic violence in Florida. You have heard the expression "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6." (Clarke disagrees: he would rather be carried by six than judged by 12). But as you will learn, that expression doesn't work in Manatee County, Florida. This episode is interesting, entertaining, and informative. Enjoy. 2024-04-0648 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Tragic Death of NYPD Police Officer Jonathan DillerSend us a textSerge and Clarke comment in the murder of Ofc. Diller and update the listeners on renewed efforts on the Columbia Project. Worth a listen. 2024-04-0633 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesStand Your Ground Doesn't Legalize Illegal Deadly ForceSend us a textSerge and Clarke celebrate Easter. We have friends who have a blessed Ramadan. We have friends who we will wish Happy Passover in several weeks. We have re-uploaded an episode. We will be back next week with a brand new episode.In rural New York, a 65-year old man fired two shots from his porch killing a young woman in a car who was lost and turned around in his driveway. In Missouri, an 84-year old man fired two shots from his front door injuring a teenager who rang his bell...2024-03-3144 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesIf Only There Was a Way for Civilians to Experience "Shoot Don't Shoot."Send us a textLaw Enforcement firearms training has historically emphasized reaction time and marksmanship. But the decision to shoot or don't shoot is the most fundamental choice the police officer faces in highly stressful situations. For the most part, civilians (who sit in judgment of the police) have not had large scale access to simulator training. In this week's episode, join Serge and Clarke and special guest Chris Mabe, a Maryland Realtor, to discuss Chris's recent experience at Guntry, an Owings Mills, Maryland Indoor Shooting Facility. Chris and some of his staff participated in Guntry's Simulator t...2024-03-2233 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesSeize the Day But Don't Necessarily Take the BonusSend us a textAt the request of a listener, Serge and Clarke offer their advice to young people without law enforcement experience who wish to apply to become police officers. People: this is solid advice from two men who have been there.2024-03-1634 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesSeven Seconds and One Shot Into a Burglary Investigation and Melvin Jay is Dead.Send us a textFebruary 1, 2024 -- Prince George's County, Maryland. Prince George's County Police Officer Braxton Shelton is dispatched to a burglary in progress at an apartment in Suitland. He arrives within a minute of the dispatch, finds the apartment door ajar, and enters by himself. Seven seconds later Shelton fires one shot killing Melvin Jay, who almost certainly was lawfully in the apartment. Prince George's County Police Chief Malik Aziz released Shelton's body worn camera. The Office of the Attorney General's Independent Investigation Division is investigating the fatal shooting. Is this a case of a justified...2024-03-0941 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesWhat's Worse Than a Criminal With a Handgun? A Criminal with a Glock andGlock Switch.Send us a textWhat is worse than a plethora of undereducated, jobless, and unfocused young men with semi-automatic handguns shooting at each other in cities across America? Answer: A group of undereducated, jobless, and unfocused young men with machine-guns shooting at each other in cities across America.Welcome to the $50 "Glock switch." This small, inexpensive, and easily obtained part turns a Glock semi-automatic pistol into an automatic pistol or "machine pistol." In this episode, Serge and Clarke discuss the increasing problem of the Glock switch. 2024-03-0239 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe CSI Checklist Phone App is the Preeminent Tool for Criminal InvestigatorsSend us a textThere IS something new under the sun! Tom Mauriello, the mastermind of FORENSIQ, has organized decades of law enforcement expertise in a CSI phone app that is exceptional, affordable, and practical. Any criminal justice stakeholder can access an investigative blueprint for every type of investigation from arson to mass casualty event. In this episode of Black and White and Thin Blue Lines, Tom sits down with Clarke and explains his incredible professional experience, the idea for a systemic approach to investigations, and the development of this modern technology. 2024-02-2442 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesOur 100th Episode -- Serge, Clarke, and our Listeners Reach a MilestoneSend us a textThe Black and White and Thin Blue Lines podcast began in spring of 2021 as the effort of Serge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers. The podcast concerns itself with issues of criminal justice, particularly at the intersection of race in America. Since then, Serge and Clarke have learned the technology of podcasting, produced and edited 100 episodes (to date), met wonderful guests and enjoyed the positive feedback of thousands of people who have listened to one or more episodes. First of all: thank you! In this episode, Serge and Clarke briefly reminisce about how t...2024-02-1736 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesMaryland Fights Crime by Taxing Law Abiding Citizens and More.Send us a textThe Maryland General Assembly proposes an excise tax on the sale of guns and ammunition, the Howard County Council debates a ceasefire in Gaza, and several state senators propose to eliminate good time credits for a very small number of convicted felons. Is our government fiddling while our community burns? Serge and Clarke add their two cents in the latest episode. 2024-02-1042 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesTeach Your Children WellSend us a textIn 1968, Graham Nash, later of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, wrote a song about the difficult relationship he had with his father who was sent to jail for receiving stolen goods. The song “Teach Your Children” has beautiful lyrics including this stanza: “Teach your children well, Their father’s hell did slowly go by, Feed them on your dreams, The one they pick’s the one you’ll know by.” In Michigan this week, the first of two trials of the parents of a convicted school shooter — Ethan Crumbley — began. Serge and C...2024-01-2738 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesCop Flash Bangs Are Bad For Babies . . . or maybe not.Send us a textOn the afternoon of January 10, 2024, more than 20 police officers in tactical gear carrying long arms and deploying flash bangs served a search warrant in Elyria, Ohio. Sure ... the usual stuff. You know. The guy the police were looking for hadn't lived at the residence the cops trashed for more than a year. Oh, and there was another hiccup. It seems the police deployed a flash bang grenade that blew out a glass window over a bassinet where a 17-month old baby was breathing on a ventilator. Not to worry. The Police Department issued...2024-01-2029 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesA Man in Las Vegas Tries to Kill the Judge Who Sentences Him for a Crime of ViolenceSend us a textSerge often observes that America is declining into anarchy. Clarke is sometimes pessimistic. Serge and Clarke bring their inclinations to the story of a young man who jumped the bench in a Las Vegas courtroom and beat up the judge who was sentencing him to prison for beating up a person with a baseball bat. What the heck is in the water in this country? Also, New York Governor declares war on shoplifting. Welcome Governor to the chaos you and others have created. 2024-01-1337 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesMaryland Police Claim Constitutional Protection for Juveniles Makes Their Job HarderSend us a textAlmost six decades after the United States Supreme Court's landmark Miranda decision, police administrators in Maryland are claiming that a 2022 Maryland law that requires police adhere to Miranda during juvenile arrests is making their job more difficult. In a now familiar whine, our state and local governments blame their inability to fight crime on a document designed to protect citizens from the overreach of government. In this episode, Serge and Clarke discuss the Maryland Child Interrogation Protection Act. This episode is a counterbalance to official state propaganda. 2024-01-0632 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Baltimore Police Commissioner Orders Every Officer to Empathy Instruction.Send us a textPolice Commissioner Worley has implemented 8 hours of empathy instruction for every Baltimore Police Officer. In this episode, Serge and Clarke discuss the instruction. Serge begins with the valid premise that it is a good idea for victims of trauma -- like most police officers and many Baltimoreans--to learn understanding. On his part, Clarke is a bit more "Doctor, Heal Thyself." 2023-12-3044 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesMayor v ATF: Who cares who wins we just want to see a lot of hits!Send us a textThis week, the Mayor of Baltimore filed suit in federal court against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. It turns out that ATF sends gun trace information to the Police Commissioner but does not send the same information to the Mayor. Rather than figure a workaround, the Mayor -- represented by Everytown Law -- filed suit. The lawsuit is largely a press release in the form of a lawsuit pretending that Mayor Scott is stymied in his war on crime by federal authorities. Serge and Clarke discuss this farce. 2023-12-2334 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Dust Settles on Sexual Assault Forensic Examinations.Send us a textFor three decades, the United States Congress has passed laws to fund forensic examinations in sexual assault cases. But it doesn't seem to matter. The country is awash in untested rape kits while repetitive sex offenders continue to violate. In fact, Maryland leads the nation in rape kit backlogs at the forensic lab. But at least the rape kits make it to the lab in Maryland. In New York, cops ameliorate the crime lab backlog with a new strategy: just leave the Sexual Assault Forensic Examination kits uncollected from the hospital. In this we...2023-12-1650 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesNot All Prosecutors Think Alike; Some Thoughts on the Marilyn Mosby CaseSend us a textThe United States Attorney for the District of Maryland successfully indicted and convicted former Baltimore City State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby of two counts of perjury. In this weeks episode, Jack Mitchell -- a former police officer who worked for Ms. Mosby as an Assistant State's Attorney -- joins Serge and Clarke to discuss Mosby's perjury conviction. Two of three commentators think this case was a political hit job. It might surprise you to learn who thinks the prosecution was righteous.2023-12-0243 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesIs it the Shoplifting Season, or Are We a Culture Devolving into Anarchy?Send us a textWho would have thought that in 2023, shoplifting could become a major crime in the United States. Wait -- stop. Not everyone believes that shoplifting is even on the rise. But we do! In this episode Serge and Clarke discuss the changing social conventions surrounding the crime of shoplifting as further evidence of a breakdown of cultural norms and further proof that we are devolving into anarchy. 2023-11-2534 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Curious Case of Marlon KoushallSend us a textYou can always find three things in Baltimore: Natty Boh beer, Old Bay seasoning & ludicrous "justice." In this week's podcast, Serge and Clarke discuss the case of Baltimore Police Sergeant Marlon Koushall whose videotaped conduct during a late night arrest were simultaneously deemed completely consistent with the rules, policies, procedures and training of the Baltimore Police Department AND a crime of misdemeanor assault and misconduct in office. The Baltimore Police Department exonerated the officer; the Office of the State's Attorney successfully prosecuted the officer. Listen to this episode to find out Koushall's status...2023-11-1141 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesShould the FBI be Downsized or Deconstructed?Send us a textIn this episode, Serge and Clarke discuss the popular idea among conservatives for downsizing the FBI and deconstructing it into as many as five independent investigative agencies, each with a focused interest in the type of cases being investigated. Clarke says, as it stands today, just writing the word FBI into the title likely invites the oversized, bloated, and sometimes unfocused agency to download and dissect this episode, especially if the FBI learns that Clarke attended a Catholic Mass in Latin, or a school board meeting. Serge says -- Director Wray, if you...2023-11-0435 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesWTH is the Balkanization of Law Enforcement?Send us a textIn three recent incidents, the police got it right and prevented serious mass casualty events. In this episode, Serge and Clarke discuss how the number of police agencies impacts the ability of sharing information and investigating criminal incidents. Clarke -- but not Serge -- thinks it is a miracle that the police got it right in one cross-state proactive police response.2023-10-2835 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesA Maryland Circuit Court Judge is Murdered in His DrivewaySend us a textThe Honorable Andrew F. Wilkinson, Judge of the Circuit Court for Washington County, Maryland, was murdered in his driveway on the evening of October 19, 2021. Serge and Clarke discuss this shocking crime, assess how social media was tracking the law enforcement investigation, and offer thoughts on the root causes -- and a possible incremental solution -- to this specific type of violence.2023-10-2041 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesSage Advice from Baltimore's Unrivaled "Barber's Son."Send us a textReverend P. M. Smith, a "barber's son" and Pastor of Baltimore's Huber Memorial Church, shares the wisdom of his life with Serge and Clarke. Reverend Smith never fails to challenge all of us to be better people. Please listen to be inspired.2023-10-1448 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesTu Culpa Part 2 -- Can an Attorney General Issue an Executive Bill of Attainder?Send us a textTu Culpa is a Latin phrase meaning "your fault." In part 2 of the podcast on the (Maryland) Attorney General's Report on Child Sexual Abuse in the Archdiocese of Baltimore, Serge and Clarke and special guest FJ Collins, discuss whether the AG's report is fair, the impact of expanded statutes of limitation, and whether the Attorney General of Maryland, as part of the Executive Branch of government, has done what is constitutionally prohibited by the Legislative Branch of government: issued a Bill of Attainder. 2023-10-0731 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesTu Culpa -- The Attorney General Points the Finger of Fault at the Archdiocese of BaltimoreSend us a textMost Catholics, and many lawyers, know the meaning of the Latin phrase, "mea culpa." The phrase is literally translated as "through my fault." It is the foundation of a traditional prayer sometimes recited during the Penitential Act of the Roman Catholic Mass: mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Recently, Maryland's Attorney General issued a report that calls to mind a less well-known Latin phrase: "tu culpa." Your fault! Our special guest, attorney F.J. Collins, takes issue with the AG's segregation of liability and joins Serge and Clarke for an interesting, and...2023-09-2941 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesHow Does Inaction Merit a 173-Page "After Action" Report?Send us a textOn July 8, 2023, Serge and Clarke discussed the South Baltimore Brooklyn Day Party that ended when 30 people were shot. Two died. On August 30th, the BPD and other city agencies issued an “After Action Report.” Join Serge and Clarke and our distinguished guest, Colonel Osborne “Moe” Robinson, Baltimore Police Department (ret.) and former Chief of the York City Police Department for a candid discussion about the misnamed poorly named report. 2023-09-2334 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesWhy has everyone heard of George Floyd and no one has heard of Ta'Kiya Young?Send us a textOn August 24, 2023, a police officer of the 14-member Blendon Township (Ohio) Police Department shot and killed Ta'Kiya Young, a 21-year-old woman being detained for suspicion of shoplifting alcohol from a grocery store. The body worn camera evidence shows Young operating a vehicle in the parking lot of the grocery store during daylight hours. She doesn't do what the two arriving police officers tell her to do. With one officer at the driver's window, and another officer standing in front of the vehicle on the driver's side, Ms. Young turns the steering wheel of...2023-09-0939 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesHow to Make a Living While Under Federal Indictment and Ordered Not to Possess a Gun.Send us a textIn this episode, Serge and Clarke acknowledge that Frederick County, Maryland is openly competing with Baltimore City, Maryland for the most upside down criminal justice non-system in America. Frederick County Sheriff "Chuck" Jenkins is under federal indictment accused of lying about machine gun purchases, Jenkins was required to turn over all of his guns to federal law enforcement. He is ordered by a federal judge not to carry a gun as a condition of his pre-trial release. So, what is he doing for a living? Why he reinstated himself as Sheriff of Frederick...2023-09-0240 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesYou're in trouble or, if you prefer, urine trouble.Send us a textIn this -- the 75th episode of Black and White and Thin Blue Lines -- Serge and Clarke discuss the public nuisance offense of urinating in public in the context of two cases: one in Mississippi and one in Texas, You decide if race was a motivating factor for what happened. Also, "you're in" and "urine" aren't the only homonyms or bad puns in this episode. Serge discusses the problem of people urinating in Baltimore alleys and Clarke discusses "Ally's law" in Texas and elsewhere. If you enjoy this podcast, please r...2023-08-2633 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesJudges Gone WildSend us a textThe recent controversy and criticism of Justice Clarence Thomas was the subject of enough off-air debate by Serge and Clarke that they turned it into an episode. What are some of the public mistakes (or worse) by Judges, and what should we as citizens do about it. 2023-08-1956 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesTraining Maryland Police Officers in the 21st CenturySend us a textJoin Serge and Clarke for a discussion with our special guest, Michael ("Mike") Johnson, who shares his smart, committed, and motivated view of training men and women to be law enforcement officers in this day and age. This is a must listen episode. Mike has unique ideas that ought to become the national standard for de-escalation and promoting confidence in law enforcement. Several of his ideas changed the way that Serge and Clarke think about the future of law enforcement training. This episode may change your thinking as well.2023-08-1253 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesIs it possible to be arrested in the United States by a non-citizen of the United States?Send us a textThe title of this episode asks a question that few have ever thought about. Is it possible to be arrested in the United States by a non-citizen of the United States? It is! But listen anyway because Serge and Clarke discuss listener mail, and the topic of non-citizen police officers in this episode of Black and White and Thin Blue Lines.2023-08-0540 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesLA County Deputy Sheriffs Apparently Never Got the Memo.Send us a textOn June 24, 2023, two LA County Deputy Sheriffs arrested two persons in Lancaster, CA under confusing circumstances. The first arrest was of a man that the deputies told was being detained for investigation. He was arrested -- but the deputies conducted no investigation from detention to arrest. The second arrest was of a woman who recorded the police detaining (or arresting) the man. One of the deputies threw the woman to the ground, put his hand and knee on her neck, and pepper sprayed her from a distance of about 12 inches. As far as...2023-07-2933 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Metamorphosis of Yusef SalaamSend us a textThis story begins with a 1989 rape in Central Park, involves a New York real estate tycoon who threw gas on a fire, and evolves into a remarkable and inspiring story of citizenship. Serge and Clarke discuss the life (at least so far) of Yusef Salaam. This episode is a short listen about a modern mentor.2023-07-2226 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Supremes Aren't Just Classic Motown: Our Top 5 CasesSend us a textDo you have a favorite Supreme Court decision? Join Serge and Clarke and attorney Shawn Vinson in a lively discussion about each person's top five favorite decisions of the United States Supreme Court. We might surprise you!2023-07-1500 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesSouth Baltimore Brooklyn Day Block Party Nets Thirty CasualtiesSend us a textOn July 2, 2023, two to 12 gunslingers shot 30 people, including 14 children, at a single holiday block party in Baltimore. No police officers were assigned to the event where 700 to 1000 people had gathered. But at the same time, many extra police officers were assigned to traditionally white areas of Baltimore festivity. Serge and Clarke discuss what happened, the anemic response by our government, and the double standard of justice that fails to hold city leaders accountable. 2023-07-0836 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesScot Peterson Acquitted of All Charges for Inaction at Marjory Stoneman Douglas HighSend us a textJoin Serge and Clarke in a discussion with our special guest Kemp Freund as we discuss the charges brought against School Resource Officer Scot Peterson for his inaction during the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School massacre on February 14, 2018. On June 28, 2023 Peterson was found not guilty on all 11 counts brought against him by a jury in Florida. Was the verdict just? Listen to our thoughts. 2023-07-0158 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesA Fatal Stabbing on the J TrainSend us a textA fatal stabbing on the J train is the subject of this week's podcast. Five weeks after Daniel Perry fatally choked Jordan Neely on the New York subway system, 20-year-old Jordan Williams is charged with manslaughter and criminal possession of a weapon for the fatal stabbing of Devictor Ouedraogo. Serge and Clarke discuss the differences, similarities, and social ramifications of this recent New York subway homicide. 2023-06-2439 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesDavid Fischer on the defense of Thomas Caldwell charged with seditious conspiracySend us a textThe January 6th breach of the U.S. Capitol resulted in one of the most extensive criminal investigations spearheaded by the FBI in the history of the United States. In today's episode, Serge and Clarke speak with attorney David Fischer, who represented the alleged mastermind of the breach: Thomas Caldwell. Caldwell's acquittal of the most serious charges shocked the D.C. press corps. This is a fascinating interview about the accused, the defense strategy, and the trial. 2023-06-101h 03Black and White and Thin Blue LinesDescending Into Lawlessness and the Defense of NecessitySend us a textIn Queens, New York, a man shoots and kills a robber. The shooter's conduct is determined to be self-defense, but he is charged with firearms violations. In Charlotte, North Carolina, a bus driver shoots back at a passenger shooting at him! The bus driver is not charged with a crime, but is fired by the employer. In this episode, Serge and Clarke discuss the breaking of the social contract, citizens arming themselves, and the defenses of necessity, duress, justification, and choice of evils. 2023-06-0336 minBlack and White and Thin Blue Lines"Characteristics of an Armed Person"Send us a textOn May 11th, 2023, Baltimore Police Detective Cedric Elleby shot a fleeing suspect holding a semiautomatic handgun with an extended magazine in his right hand. The young man had not fired the weapon at the time he was shot. He was not pointing the pistol at Detective Elleby or anyone else. He was running away from the police and he was apparently shot in the back. Serge and Clarke discuss this controversial case. 2023-05-2043 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesDeath on the F Train; A New York StorySend us a textDaniel Penny is charged with manslaughter, second degree, after holding Jordan Neely in a choke hold on the NY City Subway F Train. In this episode, Serge and Clarke discuss this sad, but compelling, case. 2023-05-1342 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesStand Your Ground Doesn't Legalize Illegal Deadly ForceSend us a textIn rural New York, a 65-year old man fired two shots from his porch killing a young woman in a car who was lost and turned around in his driveway. In Missouri, an 84-year old man fired two shots from his front door injuring a teenager who rang his bell, mistakenly at the wrong address to pick up his younger brothers. In both cases, activists allege that stand your grounds laws are in part responsible for these tragic circumstances. Serge and Clarke discuss the cases and dismiss stand your ground arguments, but disagree...2023-04-2044 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesQualifications to be the Police ChiefSend us a textSerge and Clarke "reimagine" the qualifications to be a police chief in 2023. We tell you what cops say they want; want the IACP says it wants; and what the DOJ says it wants in a police chief. But, Serge lists his list of qualifications and Clarke lists his. We guarantee you that some of the ideas will surprise you.2023-03-1437 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesMassachusetts Inmates May be Permitted to Lower Sentences by Organ DonationsSend us a textSerge and Clarke discuss a controversial January 2023 proposal in the Massachusetts legislature to let Massachusetts inmates reduce their prison sentences by donating bone marrow or organs, such as a kidney. Their are pros and cons of course and these ideas are the subject of today's podcast.2023-02-2632 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesReverend PM Smith Preaches to the Choir: Serge and ClarkeSend us a textReverend P.M. Smith, Pastor of the Huber Memorial Church in Baltimore City is this week’s guest on Black and White and Thin Blue Lines. Pastor Smith brings an unmatched focus on crime in Baltimore. He is a Baltimore born and raised former criminal defense attorney and now the Pastor of Christian community. If you watch television or read the news in Baltimore, you are familiar with Reverend Smith. In this episode, the good Reverend preaches to the choir: Serge and Clarke. 2023-02-1259 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Death of Tyre Nichols in MemphisSend us a textOn January 7, 2023, the Memphis Police Department's Scorpion Unit stopped and caused serious physical injury to 29-year-old Tyre Nichols. Mr. Nichols died in a hospital three days later. Five officers were fired on January 20, 2023. The same five officers -- Tadarrius Bean, Demetrius Haley, Emmitt Martin III, Desmond Mills, Jr., and Justin Smith -- were charged by Grand Jury Indictment on Thursday, January 26, 2023, with second-degree murder and other charges. Video of the incident was released on Friday evening, January 27, 2023. In this episode, Clarke moderates a discussion by Serge and special guest Sergeant William Jackson about...2023-01-291h 03Black and White and Thin Blue LinesFatal Police Encounters - 2022Send us a textIn the first episode of 2023, Serge and Clarke discuss an alarming statistic: 2022 had more people killed by law enforcement than at any time since police deadly force has been tracked. Also, there was an increase in the number of police officers who were shot in the line of duty. 2023-01-1148 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesJudge Hammerman Imposes a 70 Year Trial Penalty -- The Gary Baynor CaseSend us a textIn the last episode, Serge and Clarke discussed the idea of a trial penalty. A trial penalty occurs when an accused citizen rejects a plea offer, goes to trial, and is convicted but receives a sentence grossly disproportionate to the plea offer. In this episode, Serge and Clarke interview Gary Baynor about an incredible story of injustice: a trial penalty of 70 extra years incarceration after being acquitted of the most serious charges. This case is about racism witnessed by Clarke Ahlers who has defended Gary Baynor from 1995 to 2022, when a courageous Assistant State's...2022-12-1447 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Diminishing Trial by JurySend us a textIn this episode, Serge and Clarke explore the phenomenon of the diminishing trial by jury. After explaining the statistics -- which are shocking -- Serge and Clarke seek to answer the questions of why the trial by jury is disappearing and the consequences of this significant change to the criminal justice process in America. 2022-11-3047 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesBrittney Griner's Arrest and SentenceSend us a textSerge and Clarke discuss the tragic circumstances surrounding the arrest, guilty plea and sentenced in the Brittney Griner case. Brittney, a WNBA all star, was arrested at a Moscow airport in February of 2022 for .7 grams of cannabis oil in her luggage. She was convicted and sentenced to 9 years of hard labor in a Russian penal colony. It appears that the Biden administration is negotiating a prisoner exchange for the notorious "Merchant of Death," Viktor Bout. The Griner case implicates race, gender and sexual identity in an international injustice.2022-11-1633 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesDamned If You Don'tSend us a textThe Supreme Court tells us that we have no constitutional right to expect the police to protect us, unless we are in their custody. Yet a Baltimore City Police Officer is sentenced to 60 days incarceration for not preventing an assault and a Yonkers Police Sergeant is under investigation for not stopping an assault. Serge and Clarke explore this vexing situation in this podcast.2022-11-0240 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesPolice Leader Osborne "Moe" Robinson on Police Leadership & Firearms TrainingSend us a textTwo for the price of one in this episode. Serge and Clarke contacted Moe Robinson because he teaches firearms law and skills to applicants for Maryland's carry permits. But he first shared his views on police leadership; they are so good we made the episode about both things: police leadership and firearms training for carrying a firearm in Maryland. Please listen to this excellent police leader!2022-10-1946 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThoughts on Hiring a LawyerSend us a textSeveral listeners have asked Clarke and Serge for their advice on hiring a lawyer. In this episode, Clarke and Serge discuss everything from solo to big firm, hourly to fixed rate, young lawyer to senior advocate, local attorney to outsider, as well as the personal bias of the co-hosts when it comes to hiring a lawyer. We plan to upload this episode as a permanent part of the website. 2022-10-0545 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesAn analysis of NY State Pistol & Rifle Association, Inc. v. BruenSend us a textOn June 23, 2022, the United States Supreme Court in a case called NY State Pistol & Rifle Association v. Bruen decided that New York's penal statute which required a particularized showing of "proper cause" in order to obtain a wear and carry pistol permit was unconstitutional. The second amendment guarantees to all citizens the personal right of self defense. States may prohibit a permit to convicted felons, persons with mental health problems, drug or alcohol addiction, or persons who refuse to be fingerprinted. But more wear and carry handgun permits are on the horizon. Serge...2022-09-0740 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesAn Old School Police Lieutenant Talks Baltimore, O'Malley, Police Commissioners...Send us a textBPD Police Lieutenant Wayne Wilson takes us back to old school policing in Baltimore and shares his wisdom about the O'Malley years, the best Baltimore Police Commissioner in the last 50 years, the police response to the Uvalde school shooting, and how the failure of the Baltimore School System is related to the city's homicide rate. To criminal justice junkies like Serge and Clarke -- this is good stuff!2022-07-2752 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesPolice Accountability and Discipline Act -- Part IISend us a textAre you a police officer serving any department in the State of Maryland. Serge and Clarke implore you to listen to Parts 1 and 2 of the Maryland Police Accountability and Discipline Act podcasts. The new law went into effect on July 1, 2022. This is what YOU need to know. 2022-07-1345 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesWe're Talking SWAT with a City Swat OfficerSend us a textHave you ever wondered why certain search warrants are served by SWAT teams and whether you are safer -- or in great danger -- when a SWAT team arrives? This episode is a very interesting discussion with a SWAT officer in a "major city on the East coast of the United States." Serge and Clarke think you will enjoy this discussion. 2022-06-2246 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Columbia Project -- Our Ten Point Plan to Address Intentional Mass Casualty EventsSend us a text Our last podcast described the racist criminal mayhem in Buffalo, NY. After the podcast was uploaded for broadcast, but before it was released, Salvadore Ramos killed 19 school children and two teachers in Ulvade, Texas. Serge and I promised our listeners that we would address this ongoing problem in our next podcast. We have. After a short discussion about the Ulvade massacre, Serge and I discuss "The Columbia Plan." The Columbia Plan is our ten-point idea to call upon America's best and brightest to determine the best practices to prevent or significantly deter intentional mas...2022-06-0844 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesBuffalo NY Supermarket is the Scene of Another Racist Mass MurderSend us a textSerge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers discuss the May 14, 2022 mass shooting at the Tops Friendly Market in Buffalo, New York. Payton Gendron, an 18-year-old white male, has been indicted for killing ten and wounding three. 11 of the victims were black. Serge and Clarke discuss the known facts of the tragic incident, consider the response of the President, and then discuss a plan to understand why mass shootings are quickly become the new normal in the United States. 2022-05-2535 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesPatrick Lyoya is Shot to Death in Grand Rapids, Michigan.Send us a textIn this episode, Serge and Clarke discuss the under-publicized but highly questionable police shooting of Patrick Lyoya on April 4, 2022 in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Keep your eyes on Grand Rapids in the next several months. Hear and learn about the case right here.2022-05-1135 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesSave Our Young -- The life and work of a cop.Send us a textThe lives of so many Baltimore children are beset by the trauma of violence. In this podcast, Serge and Clarke talk to a man whose father was shot in the head in Baltimore when the man was in the second grade. He remembers being driven to Shock Trauma in a police car, where his father survived, but blinded and paralyzed. Hear the remarkable story of a man dedicated to making our world a better place by mentoring youth on the job and off. His 501(c)(3) enterprise is called Save Our Young. We invite...2022-04-2739 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesSerge, Clarke and ASA "Tasha B" Pick Their Five Favorite Courtroom MoviesSend us a textAssistant State's Attorney Natasha Blount ("Tasha") joins Serge and Clarke to debate the best five courtroom movies of all time and one agreed upon honorable mention. Hear Tasha's persuasive reason for not including "A Few Good Men" in her list. But it is Tasha's number one movie that leaves Clarke speechless -- something more than a few people might consider the best reason yet to listen to an episode.Listeners know the seriousness of the problems this podcast often discusses. In this episode, we share our thoughts about something we all...2022-03-2345 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesMSP v Trooper of the Year -- Part IISend us a textPart II of the podcast: Maryland State Police v Trooper of the Year. In this episode Clarke, Serge and TFC Kashef Khan talk about a bizarre trial board where the prosecutor's first witness against TFC Khan was TFC Khan. When Clarke Ahlers called an IAD investigator to the stand in the defense case, an Assistant Attorney General objected and claimed that Ahlers was attempting to introduce perjurious testimony into the proceeding. (Yes, the Prosecutor warned the Hearing Board that the testimony of the IAD investigator ought to be excluded because it was attempted p...2022-03-1647 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesMaryland State Police Seek to Fire Trooper of the YearSend us a textSerge and I discuss the backward world of the Maryland State Police with one of its own. You will hear from a "brown skin Muslim" who was awarded the 2019 statewide "Trooper of the Year" by Governor Hogan. But the next year -- when he again outperformed every other trooper -- this Trooper First Class was told that a brown skin Muslim will NOT be the face of the agency two years in a row. Then a white Sergeant accused the Trooper of falsifying the location of a traffic stop in spite of four p...2022-03-0946 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesKim Potter is Sentenced; Teens in NJ Receive Disparate Treatment at Hands of PoliceSend us a textIn this episode Serge and Clarke discuss two unrelated events: (1) the sentencing of former police officer Kim Potter after her conviction for manslaughter in the shooting death of Daunte Wright, and (2) an unfolding story of disparate treatment of two teenagers involved in a fight in a Bridgewater, New Jersey, shopping mall by police officers who arrive at the scene. One of the teenagers is Caucasian and one of the teenagers is African American. Both matters have received extensive press coverage, but Serge and Clarke offer facts and observations not found in p...2022-02-2342 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesBlack History Month: Part 2 of our interview of Judge Frances Lawrence AntoninSend us a text2022-02-1631 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesBlack History Month: A Living History Interview with the Hon. F. L. Antonin, Ret. (Part 1)Send us a text In honor of Black History Month, Serge and Clarke interview the third African American woman appointed to the Superior Court of New Jersey. Serge was able to secure this interview because Frances Lawrence Antonin, who helped break barriers for African American female attorneys especially in New Jersey, is his mother. Clarke recommends this interview for a reason not nearly as important as Judge Antonin's achievement: this is an interesting woman who shares her life's experience in a kind way that is certain to inspire us all to be better citizens and fellow Americans. Thi...2022-02-0943 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesA Look at U.S. v. MosbySend us a textOn January 13, 2022, the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland announced a four-count federal indictment against the Hon. Marilyn Mosby, the State's Attorney for Baltimore City. There are two counts of perjury related to making a withdraw of funds from her retirement account after alleging a Covid hardship and two counts of making a false statement on a loan application. The U.S. Attorney's Press Release, and statements made by experts, refer to a $45k federal tax lien. Mr. Steve Kauffman, a former IRS agent, a CPA, and an attorney help Serge...2022-01-2645 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Tragic Circumstances of Sgt Rittmanic and Ofc Bailey in the Village of Bradley, IllinoisSend us a textOn December 29, 2021 at 9:41 PM, two Village of Bradley police officers -- Sgt. Marlene Rittmanic and Officer Tyler Bailey -- responded to a Comfort Inn motel for a call about barking dogs left in a car. While investigating this minor complaint, Ofc. Bailey was shot in the head; Sgt. Rittmanic killed with her own firearm. Two young persons have been arrested: Darius Sullivan, the accused shooter, and his pregnant girlfriend, Xandria Harris. In this episode, Clarke describes this unfolding case in detail and then Serge and Clarke discuss the local prosecutor's call for the...2022-01-1243 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Calendar Year 2021 Wrap Up ShowSend us a textSerge and Clarke update their audience on everything from Derek Chauvin's federal conviction to Kyle Rittenhouse's celebrity status, along with Serge's "worst of the year" and Clarke's "best of the year." An easy listen but with a note of sadness at the beginning of the episode as Serge and Clarke acknowledge the passing of Baltimore Police Officer Keona Holley. 2021-12-2945 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesOfc. Keona Holley is the latest casualty of the war on police.Send us a textOn December 16, 2021 on Pennington Avenue in Curtis Bay, BPD Officer Keona Holley, on-duty, in uniform, and sitting in a marked Baltimore police cruiser was shot multiple times by two men. The men then fled, only to shoot and kill a civilian in Baltimore about 90 minutes later. The Baltimore Police Department has arrested two men for these cruel and wicked crimes. In this unscheduled podcast, Serge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers react to the story of Officer Keona Holley -- the latest casualty in the war on police. 2021-12-2031 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesOur Thoughts on the Kyle Rittenhouse TrialSend us a textOn August 23, 2020, a white Kenosha police officer, Rusten Sheskey, shot a black man, Jacob Blake, in the back during a call for service. Riots erupted. Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year old armed with a rifle, shot three men during the riots, killing two. Many were outraged and condemned Rittenhouse as a "white supremacist." Then candidate Biden wrote: "These shots pierce the soul of our nation." Rittenhouse was indicted and charged as an adult. His trial took place during November, 2021. A news camera was allowed into the courtroom. On November 19, 2021, Rittenhouse was found 'not guilty...2021-12-1541 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesExpert James ("Jim") Lilley on the Use of the Choke HoldSend us a textOur guest in this episode is Sgt. James Lilley, Howard County Police Department, ret. James ('Jim") Lilley is a nationally renowned expert in police tactics, the creator of a police training series on handgun retention by police, and the author of fiction and non-fiction books. He is a former marine and a lifetime student of karate, awarded his 9th degree black belt in Okinawa in 2011. In this episode, Jim discusses the proper use of choke holds in self-defense and why he believes that police ought to be trained in the use of the ch...2021-12-0148 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesTrayvon Martin & Ahmaud Arbery: A Reflection on Similarities.Send us a textOn February 26, 2012, a “neighborhood watch captain” named George Zimmerman shot and killed a young African American man named Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida. Almost eight years later to the day, in Brunswick, Georgia, 264 miles due north of Sanford, Florida, a group of self-appointed law enforcers – Gregory McMichael, Travis McMichael and William “Roddie” Bryan -- pursued another African American man, Ahmaud Arbery. During the pursuit, Travis McMichael twice shot Ahmaud Arbery in the chest with a shotgun killing him. The two cases are remarkably similar. In this episode, Serge and Clarke reflect on the way in whic...2021-11-1744 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesMaryland Prosecutors Release "Do Not Call Lists."Send us a textThe chief prosecutor in Baltimore City and Prince George's County Maryland released their respective "Do Not Call Lists" after a Maryland appellate court ruling. The "Do Not Call Lists" are lists of former and current federal, state, and local law enforcement officers deemed unfit to testify by prosecutors because the prosecutors question the officer's credibility. In some cases, the officers have been convicted of crimes. In other cases, the officers have been charged and convicted of administrative wrongdoing. In some cases, the officer has not been charged administratively or criminally. Serge Antonin and...2021-11-0342 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesOn the Normalization of MarijuanaSend us a textIn the United States, many states have made medical marijuana available to anyone with a medical marijuana card. Some states have decriminalized marijuana and still others have made recreational marijuana use legal for adults. Serge and Clarke discuss their thoughts on this subject and especially the need for better THC testing for drugged driving cases.2021-10-2038 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Moab Police and the Gabby Petito / Brian Laundrie Incident 8/12/21Send us a textThe body of Gabrielle ("Gabby") Petito has been recovered and ruled a homicide. Fifteen days before the likely date of her death, Moab (Utah) Police responded to a reported assault. Their handling of the assault has been widely criticized by domestic violence experts and law enforcement sources. In this episode, Serge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers, dissect the police response. Serge and Clarke largely disagree in this interesting episode about one response to domestic violence.2021-10-0642 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesThe Judge Jonathan Newell MatterSend us a textOn September 11, 2021, FBI agents attempted to arrest Maryland Circuit Court Judge Jonathan Newell. The agents entered his residence in Caroline County, Maryland and found the judge dead from a single gunshot wound. The death has been determined to be a suicide. Serge and Clarke discuss this unusual case and the allegation of child exploitation. This is an interesting, and perhaps provocative, episode. 2021-09-2245 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesPart 2 of Evaluating the Use of Force Policy of the Metropolitan Police DepartmentSend us a textIn this episode Serge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers attempt to figure out what a police officer in the District of Columbia may do to accomplish the handcuffing and disarming of a felony suspect in custody. As the listener will hear, the police and procedure of the Metropolitan Police Department is almost unintelligible. Please see the show notes for the actual Body Worn Camera video and the Attachments that officers are supposed to follow in a use of force situation. 2021-09-1538 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesEvaluating the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Department Use of Force PolicySend us a textOn August 8, 2021, three officers (later joined by others) attempted to arrest a man in the 1500 block of U Street in the Anacostia neighborhood. The man was suspected of distributing drugs and was believed to possess a handgun. As two officers held the man's arms and attempted to handcuff him, another officer punched the man in the face/head approximately 8 times. The incident was captured on video, quickly uploaded, and became the source of community outcry. The officers were suspended and referred for criminal prosecution. In this episode of BWTBL, Serge and Clarke evaluate...2021-09-0837 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesShot in the Line of Duty -- Our First Survivor StorySend us a textSerge and Clarke interview our first guest, Police Officer "J.B." JB, who is still working as a police officer, describes the evening that he and a partner were shot by a drug suspect that JB was chasing. JB describes his reaction in the seconds after the shots were fired, the effect that the crime had on himself and his family, the prosecution of the offender, and JB's continued commitment to the citizens he is sworn to protect. Police Commissioners take heed: these are the kind of outstanding police officers you serve!2021-08-2156 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesRapid Response to Active ShootersSend us a textFirst recorded in March of 2021, Serge and Clarke evaluate evolving police tactics of response to "active shooters." The lexicon, history, and tactics are evaluated from the 1966 Texas Tower in Austin to the 2021 Boulder, Colorado grocery store mass shooting. For those familiar with Howard County, Maryland, Serge and Clarke also discuss the 2014 Columbia Mall active shooter situation. Clarke says: "one of our best."2021-08-1139 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesDefunding the Police: A 1935 idea is partially realized in 2021.Send us a textSerge and Clarke discuss the original idea of W.E.B. Du Bois that is now the slogan of the Black Lives Matter movement in the United States. Serge argues for more money for police agencies, while Clarke -- who disagrees with the basic idea of "defunding the police" -- argues that police departments need to use capitalist models to evaluate, plan and ultimately spend less money in the fight against crime. 2021-07-2842 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesGun Violence Claims Innocent BystandersSend us a textAn increasingly complicated problem in America is the wounding and killing of unintended victims. There are so many shootings in so many locations, including highways, that the daily news reports children and adults being harmed who weren't even intended to be harmed by the trigger pullers. Serge and Clarke talk about this phenomenon, especially in the context of some stop and frisk policies being labeled as racist.2021-07-1435 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesOcean City, Maryland Police Enforce Vaping Laws the Old Fashioned Way -- With ForceSend us a textVideos of Ocean City, Maryland Police Officers kicking, tackling, and even using a taser on young African American males to enforce the prohibition against vaping on the Boardwalk prompt this week's discussion. Serge and Clarke explain the Ocean City ordinances and comment upon the enforcement strategies which have resulted in a public relations debacle for the resort town. Also, updates on Derek Chauvin's sentence, the trial date in the Cassie Johnson case, and MSP continues to discriminate against brown and black Troopers.2021-06-3037 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesFells Point Tax Revolt Leads Baltimore Police to "Flood the Zone."Send us a textThirty-seven Baltimore businesses threatened a taxpayer revolt unless the city provided sufficient police protection to the Fells Points community. Counter-protestors threatened to boycott these same businesses unless they paid taxes. The politics of police protection in Baltimore is the topic of this podcast. 2021-06-1638 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesProject EXILE makes for strange bedfellows in BaltimoreSend us a textThe acting United States Attorney for the District of Maryland holds a press conference to announce an expanded Project EXILE in Baltimore. He shares the stage with State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby. Serge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers consider the confusing messages being sent by Marilyn Mosby who told her constituents that the most serious problem facing African Americans in Baltimore is the systemically racist criminal justice system. 2021-06-0236 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesCan the police order you -- or Caron Nazario -- out of the car?Send us a textSerge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers discuss the December 5th, 2020 traffic stop of Virginia National Guard Second Lieutenant Caron Nazario in Windsor, Virginia. The CCN, Fox and MSNBC television "experts" missed a critical opportunity to explain the law of traffic stops to a nationwide audience. Serge and Clarke discuss the law and police tactics. Can the police order you -- or Caron Nazario -- out of a car during a traffic stop? Find out.2021-05-1936 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesPolice Body Worn Cameras in the George Floyd, Daunte Wright & Ma'Khia Bryant cases.Send us a textIn this episode Serge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers discuss the recent phenomenon of body worn cameras and the impact the cameras had in the prosecution of Derek Chauvin for the death of George Floyd, the anticipated prosecution of Kim Potter for the shooting death of Daunte Wright, and the probability that the shooting of Ma'Khia Bryant by Police Officer Nicholas Reardon will be ruled legally justified and within policy. 2021-05-0539 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesPolice Officer Cassie Johnson, Charleston, WV. Killed in the line of Duty.Send us a textSerge and Clarke discuss the tragic circumstance of a young, dedicated law enforcement officer killed after responding to a call for service involving an illegally parked car in the town of Charleston, West Virginia. 2021-04-2131 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesBlack in Blue; MSP discriminates against its own.Send us a textBlack and White and Thin Blue Lines’ co-hosts, Serge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers, discuss the intersection of Maryland law enforcement and race in a discussion about the recent complaint from African-American state troopers that they are under-represented on the Maryland State Police, singled out for discipline, and treated more harshly than white troopers in administrative disciplinary decisions. This complaint was the subject of an NBC Washington investigative report by Tracee Wilkins, the Prince George’s County Bureau Chief. The Associated Press has published articles in the Washington Post, the Baltimore Sun, and t...2021-04-1732 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesPicking a Jury in the Derek Chauvin murder trial.Send us a textIn this podcast, your hosts Serge and Clarke discuss the process of picking a jury in the Minnesota trial involving George Floyd's accused killer, former police officer Derek Chauvin. The hosts discuss whether press reports and discussion with others would render them ineligible to be on the jury, and discuss the process of picking a jury in a criminal case. 2021-04-1332 minBlack and White and Thin Blue LinesBlack and White and Thin Blue Lines - Podcast TrailerSend us a text“We refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt.”Black and White and Thin Blue Lines is an original podcast created by two former police officers, Serge Antonin and Clarke Ahlers, who are inspired by the hopeful words of the Reverend Martin Luther King. Serge Antonin is African American. Clarke Ahlers is Caucasian.2021-03-1601 min