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General Conference Applied
Non-LDS Surgeon Models Practice On Past LDS Prophet - Dale G. Renlund - "Taking on the Name of Jesus Christ"
11/16/2025: S6 E22, Episode #183 on Elder Dale G. Renlund's October 2025 General Conference talk, "Taking on the Name of Jesus Christ."Mitch and Clay talked through Elder Renlund's comparison of Dr. Craig Selzman's "RMN" ethos as the Dr. Russell M. Nelson and Dantzel W. Nelson Presidential Chair in Cardiothoracic Surgery at the University of Utah to our taking on the name of Jesus Christ.Links to additional resources will be available on our free newsletter. Subscribe to not miss out!Sign up for the FREE General Conference Applied NewsletterRead past NewslettersContact UsFo...
2025-11-16
46 min
General Conference Applied
Invitations: "Taking on the Name of Jesus Christ" by Elder Dale G. Renlund - Oct 2025
11/16/2025 S6 E21, Episode #182, Elder Dale G. Renlund of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, October 2025 General Conference, "Taking on the Name of Jesus Christ" - Invitations.Mitch identified six invitations, shared how he and Clay will take action, and previewed their forthcoming long-form episode focused on Elder Renlund's address.Subscribe to the free GCA newsletter for conference invitations, application ideas, supplemental study resources, lesson materials, our President Oaks listening schedule, and General Conference+ where we bring you our favorite resources from the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve A...
2025-11-16
09 min
Unsolicited Response
Long Conversation: OT and IT - Convergence, Integration, and Separation?
Few topics get as much heat as the current, future, and ideal relationship between OT and IT. One of the first posts someone just discovering OT makes is how OT is different than IT. As you dig deeper into OT you find an increasing case of the technology, processes, and even the people being similar to IT. In this 90 minute long conversation format, we will try to bring some enlightenment to this question with a specially curated group of 9 S4x25 attendees. About The Long Conversation Format Two people begin the di...
2025-07-30
1h 32
General Conference Applied
April 2025 General Conference Applications – Return and Report: Elder Ronald A. Rasband, Elder Stevenson, and Elder Renlund
7/24/2025: S5 E31, Episode 140, April 2025 General Conference Applications - Return and Report: Elder Ronald A. Rasband, Elder Stevenson, and Elder Renlund.Clay and Mitch reported how they have taken action on the following invitations from the April 2025 General Conference addresses delivered by Elder Ronald A. Rasband, Elder Gary E. Stevenson, and Elder Dale G. Renlund:Elder Rasband:1. Be prepared temporally and spiritually to better thwart the adversary’s cunning attacks.2. "My message to those students was clear: Give the Lord equal time. I counseled them to balance their studies with true higher learning, even a study of 'the Son of the living God.' I ask the same of everyone today: Whatever is on your to-do list, give equal time, not spare time, to the Lord in personal scr...
2025-07-24
1h 00
General Conference Applied
June 2025 General Conference+ Part One
7/17/2025: S5 E29, Episode 138, June 2025 General Conference+ Part One.Clay and Mitch identified many invitations that members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles shared in settings other than General Conference (i.e., Church magazines, Church school devotionals, press releases, social media, temple dedicatory prayers, etc.) during June 2025. Here are a few of the invitations they discussed during this episode (yes, there are many more than this):1. [President Russell M. Nelson] "Consider how your life is different because of the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ."2. [President Dallin H. Oaks] "As servants of God who have the knowledge and...
2025-07-17
2h 32
Bubble and Squeak
Sissy Gagged: Sex, Gender, and Jesus
This episode is about sex, gender, and Jesus—and what happens when our bodies get wrapped in shame, pleasure, politics, and power. It comes in four parts: 🧕 Part One – Tina Beardsley Revd Dr. Tina Beardsley is a priest, a theologian, and a trans woman who’s been quietly transforming the Church of England from the inside out. Co-author of Trans Affirming Churches and Transfaith, Tina sees transition as a spiritual act. Learn more: www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Beardsley 👑 Part Two – Panda Dulce Kyle Casey Chu, aka Panda Dulce, is a drag queen, writer, and survivor of a Proud Boys ambush at...
2025-07-09
52 min
General Conference Applied
"Personal Preparation to Meet the Savior"
5/29/2025: S5 E14, Episode 123, Elder Dale G. Renlund, April 2025 General Conference, "Personal Preparation to Meet the Savior".Clay and Mitch identified the following invitations and shared how they will take action:1. "The best advice for her, for you, and for me is to follow the Savior's teachings. His instructions are neither mysterious nor complex. When we follow them, we do not need to fear or be anxious."2. "If we are wise, we receive the truth by accepting the gospel of Jesus Christ through priesthood ordinances and covenants. Next, we strive to remain worthy of having the Holy Ghost always with us. This capability must be acquired individually and personally, drop by drop. Consistent, personal, private acts of devotion invite the Holy Ghost to guide us."3. "The Savior knew pretenders would try to deceive the very elect and that many disciples would be duped. We should neither believe those who falsely claim divine sanction nor ve...
2025-05-29
1h 13
Unsolicited Response
Unsolicited Response with Maggie Morganti
Dale Peterson discusses with Maggie how she got into OT security, her recent move to the Financial Sector, women in ICS security, and more.
2025-03-13
49 min
Unsolicited Response
S4x25 Feedback & Review
If you're not interested in S4, skip this episode. Dale goes over the feedback from the survey and S4 Event's own thoughts on the event, Tampa, and more.
2025-03-06
23 min
General Conference Applied
"'This Is My Gospel'—'This Is My Church'"
1/5/2025: Elder Dale G. Renlund, October 2024 General Conference, "'This Is My Gospel'—'This Is My Church'". Mitch identified the following invitation and shared how he will take action: 1. "I invite you to commit yourself more fully to the Savior, His gospel, and His Church." Show notes for the episode are located here To access show notes for previous episodes, visit here To subscribe to Mitch's 'What? Eye. Read. Newsletter', utilize the subscribe field here Follow Mitch on Facebook here Follow Mitch on Instagram here
2025-01-05
28 min
General Conference Applied
November 2024 General Conference+
12/1/2024: Non-General Conference Applied: November 2024 Invitations Recap.Mitch identified many invitations, but he specifically mentioned the following invitations and shared ideas for taking action:1. [Elder Patrick Kearon] "As fellow children of our Heavenly Father, it would do us well to talk with and listen to the thoughts and ideas of those who don't agree with us. If we do this with an open heart, we'll be blessed to understand one another and become a force for peace."2. [Elder David A. Bednar] "To navigate the complex intersection of spirituality and technology, Latter-day Saints should humbly and prayerfully (1) identify gospel principles that can guide their...
2024-12-01
54 min
Confronting The Line
Coming Out of the Self Help Closet with Dale Dickins
In this conversation Anne, Mark and guest Dale Dickins discuss the challenges of speaking out publicly about the dark side of personal development companies like Landmark Worldwide. They explore the impact of Landmark on personal relationships and the illusion of completion in transformation, emphasizing the need for open conversations and the healing power of confronting the line between transformation and exploitation. The discussion highlights the importance of critical thinking, the emotional highs and lows experienced in self-help environments, and the often hidden consequences of involvement in these groups. For instance, Dale touches on the challenges with the dynamics of...
2024-11-21
1h 34
Unsolicited Response
Joel Langill On His New OT Security Training Class And More
Dale Peterson speaks with Joel Langill, the SCADAHacker, about his new training course entitled Conducting Threat, Vulnerability, and Risk Assessments For ICS. A two day version of this course will be offered prior to S4x25. Of course Dale and Joel jump around a bit on training, the workforce and other items. Take a listen.
2024-11-13
50 min
General Conference Applied
October 2024 General Conference+
11/7/2024: Non-General Conference Applied: October 2024 Invitations Recap.Mitch identified many invitations, but he specifically mentioned the following invitations and shared ideas for taking action:1. [Elder David A. Bednar] "Fifteen years ago, I delivered an address in a worldwide devotional for young adults titled 'Things as They Really Are.' I discussed the blessings and challenges of technology in our lives. And much has changed in the digital world since that time. On Sunday, November 3, I will share an address titled 'Things as They Really Are—2.0' in another worldwide devotional. I invite you to prepare for this gathering by reading my original message and by preparing your he...
2024-11-07
44 min
(CS)²AI Podcast Show: Control System Cyber Security
113: Shaping the Future of OT Security with Dale Peterson
In this episode, the conversation centers on the critical role of operational technology (OT) security and the unique contributions of the S4 Conference. Dale Peterson shares his journey and insights into the challenges of underrepresentation in cybersecurity, especially for women and other groups, and highlights innovative scholarship initiatives aimed at bridging this gap. The discussion also delves into the evolving landscape of AI in cybersecurity, addressing both its potential and the complexities it brings. Listeners will gain valuable perspectives on managing cybersecurity risks, prioritizing investments, and developing effective recovery strategies in OT environments. As we look forward to S4 2025...
2024-11-06
32 min
General Conference Applied
"In Support of the Rising Generation"
8/29/2024: Brother Michael T. Nelson, April 2024 General Conference, "In Support of the Rising Generation". Mitch identified the following invitations and shared ideas for taking action: 1. "Helaman loved these young men like sons and saw their potential. Elder Dale G. Renlund taught that 'to effectively serve others we must see them … through Heavenly Father’s eyes. Only then can we begin to comprehend the true worth of a soul. Only then can we sense the love that Heavenly Father has for all … His children.' Bishops today are blessed with discernment to see the divine identity of the youth in their care. "Helaman 'numbered' the young men in his care. He prioritized building strong relationships with them." 2. "The needed guidance for leaders and parents is found in the Gospe...
2024-08-29
49 min
Unsolicited Response
S4x24 Main Stage Interview With Stewart Baker
Stewart Baker is one of the preeminent lawyers on topics of cyber law with an impressive career in and out of government. Stewart also hosts the Cyberlaw podcast. The Biden administration is contending that vendors should be held liable for security deficiencies in their products. Assuming this is turned into law and/or executive orders, what does it mean? What can we learn from other liability law to inform us what would be required for a vendor to be held liable for a security issue? How would the judgment / damages be determined. Dale's no...
2024-07-10
30 min
General Conference Applied
"The Powerful, Virtuous Cycle of the Doctrine of Christ"
7/7/2024: Elder Dale G. Renlund, April 2024 General Conference, "The Powerful, Virtuous Cycle of the Doctrine of Christ". Mitch identified the following invitation and shared ideas for taking action: 1. "I invite you to live the doctrine of Christ repeatedly, iteratively, and intentionally and help others on their way." Show notes for the episode are located here To access show notes for previous episodes, visit here To subscribe to Mitch's 'What? Eye. Read. Newsletter', utilize the subscribe field here Follow Mitch on Facebook here Follow Mitch on Instagram here
2024-07-07
1h 09
Unsolicited Response
S4x24 Main Stage Interview With Rob Lee
Dale Peterson interviews Rob Lee on the S4 Main Stage. They cover a lot of ground and Rob is never shy about sharing his opinions and analysis. They discuss: Rob’s first S4 PIPEDREAM deployed v. employed distinction … and why 2 years later is it still the most dangerous ICS malware? Are we really more homogenous? What makes a group something that Rob/Dragos tracks as an ICS focused attacker? If the answer to intel is do the basics, do I need intel? What ICS specific data was VOLTZITE exfiltrating? What countries are targeting critical infrastructure? Is it real...
2024-06-26
33 min
Unsolicited Response
Chris Hughes, Author of Effective Vulnerability Management
Chris Hughes and Nikki Robinson recently wrote the book Effective Vulnerability Management. Dale and Chris discuss the topic and book including: The definition and scope of vulnerabilities. It’s much more than coding errors that need patches. Are ICS protocols lacking authentication “vulnerabilities” The reality that most organizations have 100’s of thousands of unpatched vulnerabilities. Some statistics and will this change. Ways to prioritize what vulnerabilities you address. The SSVC decision tree approach that was introduced at S4 as Never, Next, Now Tooling … vulnerability management, software configuration, ticketing...
2024-05-15
43 min
Unsolicited Response
2024 Threat Report – OT Cyber Attacks with Physical Consequences
Waterfall Security Solutions and ICSSTRIVE put out an annual threat report that Dale Peterson believes is the best in OT. Why? It only includes incidents that had physical consequences on systems monitored and controlled by OT. Dale and Andrew discuss: What is in and out of scope for the report. The breakdown of the 68 incidents that occurred in 2023 by industry sector, cause, threat actor and more. The impact reporting requirements may have on these numbers in the future. What percentage of OT cyber incidents with physical consequences are made p...
2024-05-03
53 min
Mackinac Island Moments
Horsing around with Dale Peterson.
Jason interveiws Dale Peterson.This content was created in partnership and with the help of Artificial Intelligence AI
2024-04-26
20 min
Unsolicited Response
State Of NERC CIP, European Update and OT Security Community
Patrick Miller has OT cybersecurity experience as an asset owner, PacificCorp. As a regulator and one of the first NERC CIP auditors with WECC. As a community organizer creating and leading EnergySec and the BeerISAC. And as an entrepreneur creating and leading a number of consulting practices. He is currently the Founder of Ampyx Cyber. In this episode Patrick and Dale discuss: Why Patrick changed the company name and selected Talinn as the location for the new European office. The major differences in approaches to OT cybersecurity and risk management between E...
2024-04-24
46 min
Unsolicited Response
Book Interview: Introduction To SBOM And VEX
2024-04-17
59 min
Mountainside Anywhere
Mountainside Anywhere - 4.14.2023
Guest Speaker, Dale Hummel, shares the new life God is bringing in Unreached People Groups around the world through The Timothy Initiative and challenges us to consider our role in Kingdom growth.
2024-04-15
39 min
Unsolicited Response
S4x24 Closing Panel
2024-04-10
36 min
Unsolicited Response
Q1: ICS Security In Review
Emma Stewart joins Dale to discuss the 3 big OT & ICS security stories from the first quarter. They end by giving their win, fail and prediction for Q1.
2024-04-04
49 min
Eagle Brook Church Leadership Podcast
Building Vision Culture & The Eagle Brook Association with Dale Peterson
Dale Peterson is the Executive Director of the EBA and has been on staff at Eagle Brook Church for 24 years. Listen in as he discusses how our vision culture came to be by defining the purpose and mission for Eagle Brook. Since the launch of the EBA in 2006, they have helped hundreds of churches and leaders define their own mission and purpose, which has led to over 180,000 decisions to follow Jesus!
2024-03-05
00 min
Unsolicited Response
S4x24 Preview
2024-02-28
47 min
General Conference Applied
"Jesus Christ Is the Treasure"
12/24/2023: This episode is a deep-dive into Elder Dale G. Renlund's October 2023 General Conference address entitled "Jesus Christ Is the Treasure". In this episode, Mitch focuses on answering two questions: 1. What is the speaker inviting me to do? 2. How might I consider taking action? Show notes for the episode are located here The talk outline is located here To access show notes for previous episodes, visit here To access talk outlines for previous talks, visit here To subscribe to Mitch's 'What? Eye. Learned. Newsletter', utilize the subscribe field here Follow Mitch on Facebook here Follow Mitch on Instagram here Follow Mitch on Twitter here
2023-12-24
44 min
Unsolicited Response
Predictions Analyzed
In this solosode episode Dale reviews the status of his three predictions from the Q1, 2 and 3 quarter in review episodes and answers a listener question.
2023-12-20
11 min
Unsolicited Response
Q4 ICS Security Quarter In Review
2023-12-13
56 min
Industrial Cybersecurity Insider
ICS Cybersecurity Knowns, Unknowns, and Actions to Take with Industry Expert & S4 Founder Dale Peterson
Craig Duckworth is joined by Dale Peterson, an esteemed figure in Industrial Control System (ICS) security. They explore the intricate interplay between Information Technology and Operational Technology, shedding light on the evolving challenges in cybersecurity for industrial sectors. Dale, with his rich background from founding the S4 conference to pioneering cybersecurity innovations, imparts invaluable insights for those navigating the complex landscape of industrial digital security, making this episode a must-listen for anyone invested in the future of industrial cybersecurity.Chapters:00:00:00 - Introduction: Craig Duckworth Welcomes Dale Peterson, ICS Security Expert00:01:09 - Dale's Entry into Industrial Cybersecurity...
2023-12-12
29 min
The Catholic Education Show
Dale Ahlquist on High Schools Inspired by G.K. Chesterton
In this episode, Shawn and Kimberly speak with Dale Ahlquist, president of the Society of Gilbert Keith Chesterton, which oversees the Chesterton Schools Network. The Chesterton Schools Network is a rapidly growing network of 56 high schools across the U.S. and internationally that are inspired by the life and ideas of G.K. Chesterton. Dale shares how his own conversion to Catholicism was heavily influenced by G.K. Chesterton, a prolific English writer of the early 20th century. Chesterton's joyful faith and use of humor to provoke deeper thinking resonated deeply with Dale. The Chesterton model of education follows...
2023-12-10
46 min
Unsolicited Response
CISA Attack Surface Scanning Service
Dale is joined by Steve Pozza, CISA Section Chief of Operational Resilience, and Tom Millar, CISA Branch Chief of Resilience, to discuss some of CISA's security services for asset owners. They discuss: The Internet accessible attack surface enumeration and vulnerability scanning surface. Asset owners can buy products or services to do this. Why is the government doing this? What CISA is doing with this attack surface data? How is CISA measuring the success of this service offering? Other broadly available services and tools, the cybersecurity performance goals (CPG assessment) ~500 done in 2023 (and their thinking about self-assessments), Malcom traffic...
2023-12-06
30 min
Unsolicited Response
Engineering-Grade OT Security with Andrew Ginter
Andrew Ginter published his third book this year: Engineering-Grade OT Security. Dale interviews Andrew on the book including: Who was the target reader that Andrew wrote the book for? Do (should) professional engineers lose their licenses for poor and dangerous cybersecurity design and deployments? The use of the term engineering grade, and how he defines it. Unhackable protection and safety controls as a major part of engineering grade. Unidirectional (one-way) network devices as the only security control listed as engineering grade. Is one-way from the enterprise network to the OT network engineering grade? Given the ICSSTRIVE/Waterfall report...
2023-11-29
53 min
Unsolicited Response
Asset Inventory, Lawyers, and AI
This week is a Dale Peterson solosode. Updates and Announcements Dale provides updates about S4x24 ticket sales and announces the Women In ICS Security program and sponsor package. Main Topics Asset Inventory in Cybersecurity: Dale challenges the common security mantra "You can't protect what you don't know," using examples from both physical and cyber domains. He notes many of the comments on this week's article missed the main point, and he gives hints on the next two asset inventory articles. Legal and Regulatory Issues in Cybersecurity: Dale emphasizes the importance of...
2023-11-15
27 min
Unsolicited Response
Is The Purdue Model Dead (E)
2023-11-08
32 min
Unsolicited Response
Kelly Shortridge - Security Chaos Engineering in ICS
Kelly joins Dale to discuss her new book Security Chaos Engineering: Sustaining Resilience in Software and Systems. Kelly points out the second part of the title is the most descriptive, and she is not a big fan of the Chaos term that has taken hold. They discuss: A quick description of Security Chaos Engineering Is there similarity or overlap with the CCE or CIE approach? The value of decision trees Her view of checklists of security controls like CISA's CPG Lesson 1 - "Start in Nonproduction environments" The experiment / scientific method approach and how it can start...
2023-11-01
47 min
Unsolicited Response
IACS System Testing and Assessment Rating (STAR) Methodology with Don Weber
Don Weber joins Dale Peterson to describe his IACS STAR Methodology to score the risk of a vulnerability to an ICS (or IACS in 62443-speak). It is a modification of the OWASP Risk Rating Methodology. Don has modified some of the 16-factors to create IACS STAR. The methodology and code is available on GitHub and a calculator is available on line. Don and Dale discuss: What Don likes about the OWASP Risk Rating Potential issues with putting numbers to SME judgment Differences between IACS STAR and the OWASP Risk Rating The weighting of the 16 factors The...
2023-10-25
39 min
Unsolicited Response
Dave Whitehead On SBOMs, Manufacturing in the US, and more
Dave Whitehead, CEO of SEL, joins Dale on the show to talk about: The new SEL printed circuit board (PCB) factory in Idaho. Why they bucked the trend and did this. The benefits, the ROI, and more. SEL's position on providing SBOMs to customers and their internal use of SBOMs - Where leaders tend to go wrong. Substation shootings Market acceptance of SEL's Blueframe virtual platform Links Dave Whitehead's previous appearance on the Unsolicited Response Show Want to advertise on the Unsolicited Response Show in 2024?
2023-10-18
40 min
Unsolicited Response
Cyber Risk Quantification (CRQ) with Nicole Sundin
Dale and Nicole Sundin of Axio discuss CRQ, how to deal with the precision challenge, Axio's prioritization of impact, ransomware on IT affecting operations as an example, and more. They also discuss UX and the single pane of glass. Links Axio web site
2023-10-11
40 min
Unsolicited Response
Presidential Candidate Will Hurd
Former Congressman and Presidential candidate Will Hurd is a rarity with a tech background in someone who was elected to the US Congress, and even rarer in someone running for President. Will graduated Texas A&M with Computer Science degree. Worked as a Senior Adviser to the cybersecurity company FusionX, which was acquired by Accenture. More recently he was on the board of OpenAI. This is probably one of the most technical interviews with a Presidential candidate you will hear. Dale asks Will: How he would rate CISA's performance (he co-sponsored the bill to create CISA...
2023-10-04
27 min
Unsolicited Response
ICS Security - Q3 In Review
Patrick Miller of Ampere Industrial Security joins Dale to discuss the three big stories of the quarter and give their win, fail and prediction. Stories US National Cybersecurity Strategy Implementation Plan + CISA 2024-2026 Strategic Plan The cybersecurity / OT cybersecurity vendor market news. We just had Cisco buy Splunk, plus the Dragos "extension", and SCADAfence selling to Honeywell. Seems like some tough times. Ransomware again … Port of Nagoya, Clorox, hospitals, CISA Ransomware Vulnerability Notification Service Links S4x24 Ticket Sales Ampere Industrial Security Critical Assets Podcast
2023-09-27
1h 03
Unsolicited Response
Dale Peterson On The Sunspace Alliance Webinar
Dale Peterson was recently interviewed by Jay Johnson of Sandia and Tom Tansy of the Sunspec Alliance as part of their distributed energy resources (DER) Sunspec webinar series. We covered a lot of issues and Dale was not shy in throwing out some analysis and opinions. After 5 minutes discussing the S4x24 ticket process, the topics discussed: How DER will deal with the complex, large number of users and stakeholders PKI environment. The Sunspec device security specification and the benefits of a limited, key set of security controls. What is the role of government regulation to solve DER security issues? T...
2023-09-20
1h 01
Unsolicited Response
Cyber-Physical Attacks with Marina Krotofil
Marina Krotofil recently published the paper Industrial Control Systems: Engineering Foundations and Cyber-Physical Attack Lifecycle which is a detailed paper on cyber attacks that cause a physical impact on the system being monitored and controlled. It took Marina 1.5 years to write this paper, which is more accurately described as a short book. We discuss: the work she is doing to help Ukrainian critical infrastructure security during wartime what got Marina interested in cyber-physical security 10+ years ago the current understanding of cyber-physical in the OT security community Chapter 2: Engineering Foundations as a great intro for those in IT to...
2023-09-06
57 min
Unsolicited Response
SBOMs & CycloneDX with Steve Springett
Steve Springett is the Chair of the OWASP CycloneDX Core Working Group. CycloneDX is one of the two main machine readable formats that SBOMs are being created in, although CycloneDX can capture all sorts of BOMs. In this episode we assume listeners know what a SBOM is and why it might be desired by a vendor and asset owner. The beginning of the show we cover some basics of CycloneDX If you know the basics, skip to 14:24 where we get into the details Statistics on who is generating and using CycloneDX SBOMs, and the...
2023-08-23
1h 01
Unsolicited Response
The OT Cybersecurity / Climate Nexus with Andy Bochman
At S4x23 Andy Bochman gave a Main Stage performance on the OT Cybersecurity / Climate Nexus. It's a new idea and Dale wanted to dig into it and understand it better. The discussion looks at where there is a nexus/connection/overlap and where there may be parallel efforts where each side might learn from the other. Links Andy Bochman S4x23 Video Slide used in this episode Earlier episode with Dale and Andy discussing CCE S4x24 Call For Presentations
2023-08-16
53 min
Unsolicited Response
Water Sector Cyber Risk with Gus Serino
Gus Serino worked at a large water utility before joining Dragos in 2019. We're talking water sector so it's obligatory to start with Oldsmar (2:20), but we don't talk cyber. Instead we go through the physical portion of the water system assuming the attacker is able to issue the command to the pump to dump a lot of sodium hydroxide into the water system and what would likely happen. Importantly Gus identifies the simple, unhackable solution to this threat. A hard wired PH sensor that will shut off the pump regardless of the commands from the ICS. After Oldsmar...
2023-08-09
50 min
Unsolicited Response
One-Way, SAIDI & S4x24 CFP
This is a solo-sode where Dale reviews two articles from July with comments on comments and additional thoughts. The final section is a must listen if you are going to submit to speak on the S4x24 Stage. The times below are so you can skip to what you are interested in. 1:29 One-Way Data Diodes and School Zones 10:15 SAIDI: What Cyber Incidents Should Be Excluded From Metrics 16:05 Do's and Don'ts For Your S4x24 CFP Submission Links Subscribe to Dale's Friday ICS Security News & Notes Info and...
2023-08-02
24 min
Unsolicited Response
Interview with HD Moore
HD Moore is most famous for his creation of the Metasploit penetration testing framework. It began in 2003 and hit the OT world in 2011. HD is now the Founder and CTO of RunZero, another cybersecurity startup that is starting to play in the OT Space. In this episode we spend the first third of the show talking about Metasploit ... early reaction, OT modules, is Metasploit still necessary and useful today. We then shift to creating asset inventories in IT and OT, which is what RunZero does. Why HD decided to run back into the cybersecurity startup world? How it started as a...
2023-07-26
35 min
Fascination Street
Dale Peterson - Writer / Director (In Through The Out Door / Hello, My Name is Frank)
Dale PetersonTake a walk with me down Fascination Street as I get to know Dale Peterson.Dale is the writer / director of the upcoming television series 'In Through the Out Door'.In this episode, we chat about his career. Starting as a music video director in the Detroit area, Dale made a name for himself in the music scene and quickly became a 'go to' for music videos. We touch on Dale's early struggles with dyslexia, and how he overcame some of those obstacles. Then we talk about a couple of documentaries that Dale made a...
2023-07-24
35 min
ITCAFpodcast
ITCAF Interview - Dale Peterson
Our special guest this week, from the new series, "In Through The Out Door" is writer/director, Dale Peterson who joins us to chat all about how he got started in the industry by directing music videos for huge artists such as Red Hot Chili Peppers and Alice In Chains, the transition from music videos to film, his new series, "In Through The Out Door", and more! He also shares some great stories about his time as a documentarian, and how he feels about producing. Website: https://crazyantmedia.com Merchandise: https://crazyantmedia.com/crazy-ant-merchandise ...
2023-07-23
33 min
Inside The Crazy Ant Farm
ITCAF Interview - Dale Peterson
Our special guest this week, from the new series, "In Through The Out Door" is writer/director, Dale Peterson who joins us to chat all about how he got started in the industry by directing music videos for huge artists such as Red Hot Chili Peppers and Alice In Chains, the transition from music videos to film, his new series, "In Through The Out Door", and more! He also shares some great stories about his time as a documentarian, and how he feels about producing. Website: https://crazyantmedia.com Merchandise: https://crazyantmedia.com/crazy-ant-merchandise ...
2023-07-23
33 min
Inside The Crazy Ant Farm
Inside The Crazy Ant Farm Vol 6 Ep 229 - Dale Peterson
On this episode of ITCAF we're talking all about the very latest with the WGA strike and the potential SAG-AFTRA and IATSE strikes with special guest, actor Jared Becker. We then dive into the weekend's "Barbenheimer" box office battle and the huge numbers both "Barbie" and "Oppenheimer" are delivering for Warner Bros. and Universal, the newly released second trailer for Marvel's highly anticipated film, "The Marvels", Paramount's surprise "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem" presentation at San Diego Comic-Con, Lionsgate's delayed release dates for "White Bird: A Wonder Story" and the "Dirty Dancing" sequel, MGM's change of distribution strategy...
2023-07-22
2h 08
ITCAFpodcast
Inside The Crazy Ant Farm Vol 6 Ep 229 - Dale Peterson
On this episode of ITCAF we're talking all about the very latest with the WGA strike and the potential SAG-AFTRA and IATSE strikes with special guest, actor Jared Becker. We then dive into the weekend's "Barbenheimer" box office battle and the huge numbers both "Barbie" and "Oppenheimer" are delivering for Warner Bros. and Universal, the newly released second trailer for Marvel's highly anticipated film, "The Marvels", Paramount's surprise "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem" presentation at San Diego Comic-Con, Lionsgate's delayed release dates for "White Bird: A Wonder Story" and the "Dirty Dancing" sequel, MGM's change of distribution strategy...
2023-07-22
2h 08
Everybody Loves Pudding
6.07: Interview with Dale Peterson
Ken gets the chance to sit down and talk with writer/director Dale Peterson who is behind several of the most iconic music videos of the grunge era from bands such as Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and STP! We talk about his career as well as his spooky new show In Through the Out Door! Intro music composed by Ken, Outro music by Richard.
2023-07-21
1h 03
Unsolicited Response
US Dept of Energy's OT Defender Fellowship Program
Dale is often critical of the US Government's efforts and programs to address OT cyber risk. So it's a pleasure to highlight a program that is working. Samantha Ravich, Chair of the Center on Cyber and Technology Innovation at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, joins Dale to discuss the US Department of Energy's OT Defender Fellowship Program. They begin by describing the program, its goals, what are ideal candidates for the program, and the early results from the first few cohorts. Then Timothy Pospisil of Nebraska Public Power District and part of the 2022...
2023-07-19
37 min
Extra Connections
Writer/Director Dale Peterson
Award-winning writer/director Dale Peterson is the writer/director/creator of the exciting new television series In Through the Out Door,” a time travel horror-thriller starring Martin Copping (Call Of Duty), Jesse. C Brown (Halloween Ends), Christina Kilmer (High Holidays) and Garrett M. Brown (Kick-Ass). One of Peterson's notable achievements came in 2016 with the completion of his feature film, Hello, My Name is Frank, starring Garrett M. Brown (Kick-Ass), Rachel DiPillo (Chicago Med), Hayley Kiyoko (Insidious: Chapter 3) and Travis Caldwell (The Magnificent 7) which is an uplifting story about a recluse with severe Tourette Syndrome who is dragged on a road tr...
2023-07-14
26 min
Unsolicited Response
Eric Cosman On Dow, Open Automation, 62443 & More
Eric Cosman had a 38 year career at Dow Chemical, was on the ISA 99 committee its inception, and then he retired. After retirement Eric joined ARC Advisory Group as a Contributing Consultant and got even more active with ISA. He is a long time co-chair of ISA99 and was President of ISA in 2020. Eric and Dale discuss: Dow's in house developed DCS and SIS: MOD Eric's top trend from 2022: The value of open automation and the Open Process Automation Forum ISA/IEC 62433 Eric's view they are "primarily engineering standards" What Eric thinks about the safety / security analogies His experience in being...
2023-07-12
55 min
Business Creative
The 8 Best Business Psychology Tricks I've Ever Learned (From 6 Books)
Action Step:Film yourself presenting, pitching, or talking in a way you’re likely to in your business. Analyze yourself and adapt. Repeat until you’re a suave business machine.Did you know we're on TikTok? Check us out @business.creativeIn this Episode: I read six books on psychology and influence in business (and I’m going to read at least 4 more). So far, here are the eight tips that are common themes that I’ve seen work in the real world. Here are the bo...
2023-07-11
33 min
Unsolicited Response
ICS Security Quarter In Review Q2-2023
Mark Hyman of Verge Management Group joins Dale to discuss the big 3 stories of Q2 along with their win, fail and predication. Big Stories The OT Security Layoffs (Mark is a recruiter specialized in ICS/OT security) Still No US National Cyber Director? The Merck NotPetya Insurance Claim Ruling Plus they both have a win, fail and prediction at the end.
2023-07-05
1h 00
Unsolicited Response
Josh Corman - Healthcare Security, SBOMs & More
Josh Corman is the VP of Cyber Safety Strategy at Claroty, was the Chief Strategist of the CISA COVID Task Force, and founder of I Am The Cavalry. Josh and I dive into Healthcare Security, SBOMs and other topics. Can OT in healthcare be treated in a similar way as the factory, power plant, water treatment plant, ... ? The first fatality due to a cyber attack on a hospital. Should we be focusing our efforts on reducing the impact if ransomware hits a healthcare facility? What is the equivalent to a steel reinforced cockpit door? The PATCH Act (included in...
2023-06-28
1h 04
Unsolicited Response
OTCEP Panel - Secure PLC Coding Practices
This episode is a replay of a lively panel from the Cyber Security Agency of Singapore's OT Cybersecurity Expert Panel (OTCEP) last year. It begins with a great introduction to the Top 20 Secure PLC Coding Practices by Sarah Fluchs. At the 35 minute mark the panel discussion begins. There was a lot more disagreement and back and forth than the typical panel. This gives you a variety of points of view and positions to consider. Paul Griswold moderated the panel of Dr. Ong Chen Hui, Joel Langill, Sarah Fluchs and Dale Peterson. Links Top 20 Secure...
2023-06-21
1h 24
Unsolicited Response
Metrics: How Effective Is A Security Control?
How much does a security control reduce cyber risk? What control or mix of controls provides the most efficient cyber risk reduction? Tough questions that a team of researchers at INL and Sandia tried to answer in a project. Two of the researchers, Jay Johnson of Sandia and Jake Gentle of INL, join Dale on the show to talk about the metrics and results. The project was Cyber Resilience for Wind Installations, but the metrics and results are applicable to every sector. We get into the weeds on this episode and discuss: how they created the...
2023-05-17
49 min
Unsolicited Response
S4x23 Closing Panel
Ralph Langner, Megan Samford and Zach Tudor join Dale Peterson on the S4 Main Stage to close out S4x23. This Closing Panel is always an attendee favorite as none of these four are afraid to take a strong and even unconventional stance on at OT security topic or issue.
2023-05-10
40 min
Unsolicited Response
Puesh Kumar, Director of CESER at US Dept of Energy
Dale Peterson interview CESER Director Puesh Kumar on the S4x23 Main Stage. We discuss a number of CESER programs how they are measuring success, what has not worked, why they are doing some things industry is already doing and more. 5:30 Where is the CESER CRISP program (detection and information sharing) today? Has it stopped or reduced the impact (outages and others) of cyber attacks on the electric sector? How will they measure the success of this program? 10:40 What has CESER tried, thought it would work, and ended up failing? 14:05 CESER's CyTRICS program i...
2023-05-03
32 min
Unsolicited Response
Chris Blask: Cybersecurity Pioneer and Idea Man
Chris Blask has a long career bringing new ideas to reality. He currently is Vice President of Strategy at Cybeats, who has a SBOM Studio product. Cybeats is different in that SBOM Studio does not create SBOMs. This requires SBOMs to be available from somewhere, and Dale & Chris spend a lot of the podcast talking about the SBOM market today and in the future. What percentage of the OT software solutions have SBOMs today? What will that number be in three years, five years, seven years? When will the top 10% asset owners be able to be...
2023-04-26
46 min
Unsolicited Response
Edgard from Nozomi (Part 2)
The August 2021 Unsolicited Response episode with Edgard Capdevielle, CEO of Nozomi Networks, was a fan favorite. So Dale invited Edgard back, like the first time it was a wide ranging and fun conversation. His budget analogy of OT security and a new child in the family was Dale's favorite part. They cover a lot of ground including: the OT visibility and detection market growth in the last two years whether he stands by his 2021 view that a company that does "X, Y, Z and OT security" doesn't really do OT security how much of the back...
2023-04-19
45 min
Unsolicited Response
Interview with Gene Spafford
Dale Peterson interviews cybersecurity legend Gene Spafford on the S4x23 Main Stage. Some of what they cover is: how to deal with securing legacy systems the incredibly productive 3 years of firsts including host IDS, network IDS, honeypot, network vulnerability scanner, and more. What led to this amazing production? The upcoming 25th year of CERIAS His new book Cybersecurity Myths and Misconceptions ... Avoiding the Hazards and Pitfalls that Derail Us and digging into some of those myths (Cyber Offense is Easier than Defense, Sharing More Threat Intel Will Make Things Better, Everyone Should Solve A Given Cybersecurity Problem I...
2023-04-12
30 min
Unsolicited Response
ICS Security: Q1 in Review
Marty Edwards joins Dale Peterson to discuss the big stories of the first quarter of 2023. The US National Cybersecurity Strategy ISA / ISASecure starting an OT Site Assessment Certification Ransomware Affecting Operations (indirectly) Marty and Dale then give their win and fail for Q1 and a prediction.
2023-04-05
58 min
Unsolicited Response
The OT SBOM Market
Dale Peterson talks with Matt Wyckhouse, Founder and CEO, of Finite State about where the SBOM products and market is today and where it will go in the future. This discussion was informed by the SBOM Challenge at S4x23. Who is the primary buyer of SBOM products and services today? (Hint: Matt thinks that 80% of the code in a product is third party) How accurate are the products, and the Finite State product in particular, in creating a SBOM? How much is the value of a SBOM degraded if it is not perfect? If it is missing...
2023-03-29
50 min
Unsolicited Response
Puesh Kumar - Director of Dept of Energy's CESER
Dale Peterson interviewed Puesh Kumar on the S4x23 Main Stage. Puesh is the Director of the US Dept of Energy's Cybersecurity, Energy Security, & Emergency Response (CESER). The lead US Government OT cybersecurity agency in the energy sector. After Puesh gives a 3 minute overview on CESER, they dig into it. How are they measuring CRISP's detection and analysis progress? Has it stopped or limited the impact of any attacks? What is one of the CESER programs that didn't work and what did they learn from it? Why is the US Government testing products for GE, Hitachi...
2023-03-22
32 min
Unsolicited Response
Book Interview: Industrial Cybersecurity with Steve Mustard
Steve Mustard took his 30 years of experience and wrote Industrial Cybersecurity: Case Studies and Best Practices, published by ISA. After talking about who the book is for and the writing process, Dale and Steve dig into the details. Given Steve's longtime involvement and leadership with ISA, it's not surprising the book leans heavily on ISA/IEC 62443. They talk chapters on architecture, certification, optimism / pessimism, risk management and a fundamental misunderstanding of IT by OT. Some agreement, some disagreement, and always a civil discourse.
2023-03-15
42 min
Unsolicited Response
Cyber Persistence Theory
Dale's interview with Michael Fischerkeller, co-author of the bood Cyber Persistence Theory. The first half of the interview digs into Cyber Persistence Theory. Why Michael believes cyber is a new and third strategic environment (in addition to conventional and nuclear) What is meant by cyber being an environment of exploitation and not coercion The theory's different use of initiative and why the theory believes it is the important element to winning ("initiative rather than restraint is necessitated") How a series of smaller, fait accompli, actions that are not responded to can have a strategic-level cumulative effect The...
2023-03-07
31 min
Unsolicited Response
OT Managed Security Services - 1898 & Co.
Matt Morris and Mark Mattei of 1898 & Co. joined Dale to talk OT Managed Security Services as 1898 recently introduced an OT Managed Threat Protection and Response service. The discussion included: what they are monitoring in the OT environment the OT MSP competitive landscape (OT detection vendors, ICS vendors, large consulting vendors, ...) can you / should you monitor OT separate from IT how 1898 deals with competing partners (such as Claroty, Dragos and Nozomi) that they resell and install and competing against them for MSP the active response and threat hunting services and how that is accepted in the generally conservative and...
2023-03-01
38 min
Unsolicited Response
Interview with Bill Fehrman of Berkshire Hathaway Energy
Bill Fehrman is the CEO of Berkshire Hathaway Energy, co-chair of the Electricity Subsector Coordinating Council, and chair of the E-ISAC. The major topics Dale and Bill discuss include: The US Government / Electric Sector information sharing program around detection information and threat intel. Have they stopped or reduced the impact of attacks? What are the metrics they are using to determine if these resources are worth it? How is the industry and BHE positioned to recovery from a major outage due to a cyber attack? The mutual assistance agreements in the electric sector … the tr...
2023-02-23
30 min
FORGING CONNECTIONS
Dale Peterson Talks Current and Future States of OT Cybersecurity
On this episode of Forging Connections, Tim has a conversation with Dale Peterson, the founder and host of S4, the world's largest and most advanced ICS / SCADA cyber security conference. Listen in as they talk current and future state of OT cybersecurity. Tune in now!
2023-01-26
32 min
Unsolicited Response
ICS Village Talks About ICS CTF At S4x23
Tom VanNorman and Don Weber join Dale to describe the ICS Capture The Flag competition they will be running at S4x23, Feb 13 - 16 in Miami South Beach. S4x23 web site
2023-01-18
32 min
Unsolicited Response
Women In ICS Security
Donna Cusimano, Kim Legelis, and Saltanat Mashirov join Dale Peterson to talk about the Women In ICS Security Program at S4x23, Feb 13-16 in Miami South Beach. (see s4xevents.com/women). These are three of a team of volunteers that have put together important career, education, and networking opportunities for the 100 free Women in ICS Security ticket holders and another ~150 women who will attend on a paid ticket. Really impressed and looking forward to seeing what this will accomplish.
2023-01-11
31 min
IoT: The Internet of Threats
What's Going on with ICS Security, and What's SBOM Got to Do with It? with Dale Peterson, ICS Security Catalyst and Founder of S4 Events
On this episode of the IoT: The Internet of Threats podcast, host Eric Greenwald interviews Dale Peterson, a widely recognized name in the OT cybersecurity field and, specifically, in ICS (industrial control system) security. Dale is the founder of S4, the premiere event in ICS security. Dale created the event in 2007 to showcase the best offensive and defensive work in ICS security and to build connections within the industry. He founded Digital Bond, an ICS / SCADA cybersecurity consulting company in 1998 and serves as its CEO. Together, Eric and Dale examine the origins of Dale's influential S4...
2022-12-12
25 min
Left to Our Own Devices
Dale Peterson: ICS Security Has a Way to Go
Dale Peterson is the founder of the S4 conference and creator of many of today’s standard ICS security tools and techniques. We spoke with him about the biggest challenges in industrial control system cybersecurity today and learned from his fascinating personal story.
2022-11-23
32 min
(CS)²AI Podcast Show: Control System Cyber Security
34: Foundations for Starting Your Own Cyber Security Business with Dale Peterson
Derek Harp is thrilled to have Dale Peterson of Digital Bond joining him for another great episode in the series on security leaders! Dale is a legend and leader in the cyber security industry!For over 15 years, Dale Peterson has been on the leading/bleeding edge helping security-conscious asset owners effectively and efficiently manage risk to their critical assets. He has pioneered numerous ICS security tools and techniques, such as the first intrusion detection signatures for ICS that are now in every commercial product. In 2007 Dale created the S4 Events to showcase the best offensive and defensive...
2022-04-12
51 min
MLM Success Stories Podcast
MLM SS 280: Knowledge Without Action Leads To Self-Delusion
In this session, you will learn how to break out, get focused, get out of your own way and become the Top Producer you know is inside you. You will learn how and why Dale came up with the quote “Knowledge without Action Leads to Self-Delusion” and how you can move from being a wannapreneuer to an entrepreneur that is building a progressing growing business organization. Websites Referenced in this Session: Dale Calvert’s Ihub Team www.cmgihubteam.com Bad cryptocurrency investors. https://cmgcrypt...
2022-03-08
1h 10
MLM Success Stories Podcast
MLM SS 269: Is It Time To Get Your Act Together? - Featuring Dr. Jordan Peterson
Einstein said, “Ignorance at its highest level is to do what you have always done, the way you have always done it, expecting different results”. Truer words have never been spoken, but this is exactly how many will approach 2022, what about you? This session features a talk from Professor Gordon Peterson and Dale covers five philosophies from Dr. Peterson's talk that can help all of us take our act to a new level in 2020 and beyond. Websites referenced in this session: www.ProgrammingYourMind.com www.M...
2021-12-21
1h 03
Real Stories by Real Cops
Former Broward County Sheriffs Deputy Scot Peterson Arrested! (Episode 13)
Episode topics include: Former Broward County School Resource Officer Scot Peterson was charged with multiple felonies and misdemeanors for his failure to act during the February 14, 2018, Parkland Florida school shooting. Marblehead Massachusetts police department is accused of covering up an Anti-Semitic incident involving one of its officers.Inside the Line: Real Stories by Real Cops explores serious crime ‘n grime issues and stories with a dark sense of humor, from a street-level view. Interview, anecdote, and opinion mix with insults, small talk, and some things that are just weird. How are college kids hustled by the promise of se...
2021-08-24
41 min
The Tripwire Cybersecurity Podcast
Industrial Cybersecurity and the Florida Water Supply Attack with Dale Peterson
Through the lens of the Florida water supply hack, Dale Peterson teaches how events like these remind us to take the necessary steps to maintain our cybersecurity. Founder and chair of S4 Events, Dale has been helping security professionals effectively and efficiently manage risk to their critical assets for over 15 years.
2021-02-19
27 min
Well Women Co Podcast
061: Freedom from Anxiety
“Our fatigue is often caused not by work but by worry, frustration, and resentment”, as Dale Carnegie said. Are you fatigued because of worry and anxiety? When we use our imagination and energy pondering worse-case scenarios our defenses weaken. What would it look like to use your imagination for good? What if you naturally began to imagine the best about a person, their motive or an outcome? This episode we explore what the Word of God has to say about anxiety along with three practical steps to walk free from it. Don't allow anxiety to steal your joy o...
2021-02-04
32 min
Life off the deep end podcast
"Fear and Cruiser Comforts" Traci and Dale SV Knot Home
In this episode we talk to Traci and Dale on SV Knot Home currently in New Zealand about pushing through fears, crossing oceans, and how their cruiser life has influenced their now land based life due to covid. Follow us! www.lifeoffthedeepend.com www.facebook.com/lifeoffthedeepend www.instagram.com/lifeoffthedeepend www.twitter.com/lifeoffdeepend www.youtube.com/c/lifeoffthedeepend Theme music by PO Boxx- Reset my Day. www.facebook.com/poboxxmusic
2021-01-28
48 min
The Fallen State TV
CRACKA Filmmaker Dale "Rage" Resteghini Joins Jesse! (#185)
On this week's episode of TheFallenState TV, host Jesse Lee Peterson is joined by prolific music video director and filmmaker Dale "Rage" Resteghini. Dale's upcoming film is called "Cracka," and it has caused an amazing stir online, merely due to the trailer. The movie imagines that a white man travels back in time to a world where whites were enslaved by blacks. Jesse quizzes Dale on why he is releasing the movie during such a racially divisive time. Tune in for a fascinating and very timely discussion!
2020-08-15
1h 02
Central Line by American Society of Anesthesiologists - a podcast series for the anesthesia community
Dr. Mary Dale Peterson, ASA President
Listen in as ASA’s CEO, Paul Pomerantz, interviews ASA President, Dr. Mary Dale Peterson. The discussion touches on her journey to leadership positions at both the ASA and her hospital, her goals for the ASA, and the challenges and opportunities she expects the anesthesiology community to face in the coming years.
2020-01-20
23 min
Energetic Radio
#83: Morning routines of the elite
It's Thursday thought time once again, and this week is a tad different. I have explored a number of the worlds best operators and the daily routines that allow them to get the most out of each an everyday. I will also share the routine that I now complete every morning to start my day as well. Inside this episode you will hear all about the following three individuals: Bill Gates Jordan B Peterson Christiano Ronaldo If you have a morning routine, we would love to hear from you. Please email...
2018-09-06
07 min
Power-Up With: This Vivid Full Audiobook For Story Seekers.
Maps of Meaning by Jordan B. Peterson
Please visithttps://thebookvoice.com/podcasts/2/audible/214067to listen full audiobooks. Title: Maps of Meaning Author: Jordan B. Peterson Narrator: Jordan B. Peterson Format: mp3 Length: 30 hrs and 52 mins Release date: 06-12-18 Ratings: 4.5 out of 5 stars, 5,102 ratings Genres: Psychotherapy Publisher's Summary: From the author of 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos comes a provocative hypothesis that explores the connection between what modern neuropsychology tells us about the brain and what rituals, myths, and religious stories have long narrated. A cutting-edge work that brings together neuropsychology, cognitive science, and Freudian and Jungian approaches to mythology and narrative, Maps of Meaning...
2018-06-12
6h 52
ECommerce Momentum
296 : Kerry Lipp – Part two of Lipp Brothers interview on what it takes to create a lifestyle business in a lifestyle business
This was a great opportunity to see the business through a younger brothers eyes. You know what, life looks pretty good from his view. I think that Mitchell has created an environment where each individual can still be themselves yet contribute immensely to the greater good. It's almost like they both have created a lifestyle business within a lifestyle business.Mentioned:Kerry’s Facebook ContactMitchells previous interviews :#57, #123, #163Dale Selmeyer Prep CenterRocky Mountain Reseller Conference– Use code momentum25 to Save $25.00 off their lowest current offer. Price goes up 4/1/1...
2018-04-19
55 min