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The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Earning the QP Title: Graham Clarke on Career Growth and Life as a QP Consultant
What happens when someone outside of QA gets the chance to step up as a Qualified Person? In this episode of The QP Diaries, we sit down with Graham Clarke, a seasoned pharmaceutical professional whose 20+ year journey spans sterile manufacturing, solid dosage forms, and cutting-edge cell and gene therapy. Graham shares his unexpected path into QA and how he seized the opportunity to become a QP at Baxter—despite not coming from a traditional Quality background. He walks us through the realities of preparing for and sitting the VIVA, offering practical insight for Trainee QPs and those navigating their own...
2025-07-25
39 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
From NHS QP to Innovation Leader – Adam Walker on Aseptic Transformation, AI & GMP Clarity
In this episode of the QP Diaries, we’re joined by Adam Walker, the first NHS Qualified Person (QP) to appear on the podcast. Adam shares his personal journey to becoming a QP, how he tackled the VIVA (and what he’d do differently), and his pivotal role in leading development and innovation at the NENC Medicines Manufacturing Centre.We dive into how the NHS is transforming aseptic services across the region, the future role of AI in Quality Assurance, and the skills QPs will need moving forward. Adam also lifts the lid on Help Me GMP, the YouT...
2025-07-07
38 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
The Long Road to QP: Lessons in Leadership and Learning
In this episode of The QP Diaries, we’re joined by Stephen Clarke, newly appointed Head of Quality and Qualified Person at BDD. With decades of experience across diverse pharmaceutical environments and a proven track record leading global Quality functions, Stephen shares his unique journey, from his early days in food lab QC to becoming a QP responsible for complex clinical and commercial products. Stephen reflects on the formative years of his QP training, the value of cross-site exposure in sterile and OSD manufacturing, and the realities of batch certification in today’s evolving regulatory landscape. Now at BDD, he’s l...
2025-06-16
39 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
The Making of a Modern QP: Damian Larrington on Quality, AI & Courage
In this episode of The QP Diaries, we’re joined by Damian Larrington — an experienced and eligible Qualified Person under 2001/83/EC and 2001/20/EC, with a background spanning aseptic, biologic, ATMP, IMP, terminally sterilised, and solid dose products.We explore Damian’s journey to becoming a QP, what it truly means to be “the right person” for the role, and how to balance study, work, and personal growth in a highly regulated environment. Damian shares practical insight on the importance of practicing difficult conversations, what QPs need to prepare for in an AI-driven global landscape, and the critical challenges...
2025-05-28
38 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Mistakes, Milestones & Mastery: Marie’s Journey to QP Excellence
In this episode, Dal is joined by Marie, a distinguished Quality Professional whose career reflects decades of diverse experience across R&D, Regulatory Affairs, and Quality Assurance. From her early days as a QC Chemist to her most recent role as QP for sterile products, Marie shares candid reflections on embracing mistakes as powerful learning moments, staying open to new opportunities, and the discipline instilled through QP training. With experience spanning inhalation products, biologics, combination devices, and hosting inspections from global regulators like the FDA and HPRA, Marie brings a grounded yet inspiring perspective to professional growth. Whether you're...
2025-05-13
35 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Embracing Every Opportunity: Dave’s Journey to Becoming a QP
In this episode, Dal sits down with David Waddington, a true veteran of the pharmaceutical quality landscape, whose career spans over 30 years across global roles in QA, manufacturing, and regulatory compliance. From his first steps toward becoming a Qualified Person (QP) to leading international quality teams at major pharmaceutical organizations, Dave shares a career built on embracing opportunities, adapting to challenges, and mentoring the next generation of quality professionals. Now part of the team at NSF and formerly Quality Director, Global Regulatory Compliance at Catalent, Dave brings a wealth of insight into EU and FDA GMPs, auditing excellence, and in...
2025-04-28
40 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Becoming a QP – Navigating Change, VIVA Prep & Real-World Insights with NSF Trainer Vicky
What does it really take to become a Qualified Person—and feel confident in the role once you're there?In this episode of The QP Diaries, we’re joined by Vicky, an experienced Qualified Person, Quality professional, and NSF trainer with over 20 years in the pharmaceutical industry. Her career spans R&D, clinical trials, tech transfer, commercial manufacturing, and site closures—giving her a rare perspective on the full product lifecycle.Now supporting QP trainees through NSF’s training programme, Vicky shares practical advice and encouragement for those on the journey to becoming a QP.We discuss:The role of a QP...
2025-04-14
49 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Championing Quality, Leading with Purpose: Uche Ekwuozor on Diversity and Integrity in Pharma EP 13
With over 16 years of pharmaceutical experience, Uche Ekwuozor is a Chartered Chemist, Chartered Scientist, and Qualified Person (QP) renowned for his deep expertise in sterile products, biologicals, and GMP compliance. From leading MHRA remediation projects to overseeing global quality operations at top pharmaceutical firms like BMS/Celgene and MSD Animal Health, Uche brings a wealth of insight into Quality Risk Management, QMS integration, and regulatory strategy.In this episode, we dive into Uche's impressive journey—from working across clinical and commercial manufacturing environments to becoming a key figure in shaping quality systems, coaching future QPs, and navigating complex audits an...
2025-04-02
42 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Investing in People and Culture ~ The QP Diaries ~ Catherine Kay ~ Episode 12
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode, host Dal welcomes Catherine Kay from NSF, the new sponsor of the show. With over 20 years of experience in pharmaceutical operations management and technical QA, Catherine is also an eligible QP. Together, they explore the vital role of quality assurance in the pharmaceutical industry and the dedication required to become a Qualified Person (QP). Catherine also shares insights on people development and fostering learning organizations. Tune in for expert perspectives on the QP journey and the evolving landscape of pharmaceutical quality.Key Moments:[00:01:01...
2025-03-19
36 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 11 [Mark King]
In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal interviews Mark King, who has over 30 years of experience in Quality based roles within the pharmaceutical industry. Mark is a Qualified Person under the permanent provisions since March 2001, and a former QP Assessor, Vice Chair and Chair of the Royal Society of Biology QP Assessors Panel.During the episode, Mark shares insights from his career journey and offers valuable advice to QPs and trainees. This includes sharing his best tips with trainees preparing for their VIVA, as well as rare insights into his experience as a panel assessor. The...
2024-11-22
13 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 10 [Ilona Stezowska]
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal interviews Ilona, a newly qualified QP in the UK pharmaceutical industry. Ilona shares her journey from a background in microbiology to becoming a QP, discussing her experience in quality control and R&D roles in clinical and pharmaceutical settings. Tune in to gain insights into Ilona's career transition and valuable expertise as a qualified person.
2024-10-30
13 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 9 [Rebecca Rutter]
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar interviews Rebecca, a seasoned quality assurance professional and qualified person (QP) in the UK pharmaceutical industry. They discuss various aspects of Rebecca's career, including her journey as a QP, her expertise, and her accomplishments. The episode focuses on leadership, team collaboration, tools and methodologies used in quality assurance, and advice for aspiring QPs. Listeners will gain insights into the world of quality assurance and learn from Rebecca's experiences as a leader in the industry. Tune in to this inspiring episode to empower...
2024-10-21
12 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 8 [Phil Rose]
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar speaks with guest is Phil Rose, who shares his personal experience of failing the Viva (oral examination) the first time and how he overcame it. Phil provides a brief overview of his career journey, starting from his early lab work to his training as a QP and eventually becoming an inspector at the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency). He also discusses his transition into consultancy and his passion for training and mentoring the next generation of QPs.
2024-10-04
15 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 7 [Robin Railton]
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar speaks with a seasoned qualified person (QP) in the pharmaceutical industry. They discuss the guest's career journey and provide valuable advice for aspiring QPs. Additionally, they delve into the topic of working on remediation projects in the industry. With over 30 years of experience, the guest shares their insights and expertise, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in quality assurance and the pharmaceutical industry. Tune in to gain valuable knowledge and inspiration for your own QP career.
2024-09-12
15 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 6 [Kevin Currie]
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar speaks with qualified QP, Kevin Currie, from the pharmaceutical industry. They discuss the importance of inspiring and empowering the next generation of QPs and share their personal story and expertise. Kevin shares how their career started in a laboratory working with chemicals and how they learned critical thinking and problem-solving skills. Tune in to this episode to gain insights into the world of QPs and learn from industry thought leaders.
2024-08-30
13 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Inspiring and Empowering the Next Generation of QPs ~ The QP Diaries ~ Kevin Currie ~ Ep6
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar speaks with qualified QP, Kevin Currie, from the pharmaceutical industry. They discuss the importance of inspiring and empowering the next generation of QPs and share their personal story and expertise. Kevin shares how their career started in a laboratory working with chemicals and how they learned critical thinking and problem-solving skills. Tune in to this episode to gain insights into the world of QPs and learn from industry thought leaders. Key moments 00:00:10 - Introduction to QP Diaries Podcast 00:00:52 - Inspiring the Next...
2024-08-22
49 min
3 Things
The Catch Up: 21 August
This is the Catch Up on 3 Things by The Indian Express and I'm Flora Swain.Today is the 21st of August and here are the headlines.CBI officers continued to question of R G Kar Medical College and Hospital former principal Dr Sandip Ghosh regarding the rape and murder of a young doctor on night shift on hospital premises for the sixth consecutive day today. As per the news agency PTI, Ghosh may also be subjected to a polygraph test. An official said that they want to further verify Ghosh’s answers, as there have been discrepancies in...
2024-08-21
03 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 5 [Richard Smalley]
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode, our host Dal Pawar sits down with special guest Richard to discuss his journey to becoming a Qualified Person (QP) and his experiences as a QP sponsor and assessor. They also delve into Richard's leadership experience and how he manages stress in his role. Plus, they explore the fascinating topic of artificial intelligence and its impact on the pharmaceutical industry. If you're passionate about quality assurance and want to learn from industry experts, this is the podcast for you. Don't miss out on this insightful and informative episode!
2024-08-16
14 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 4 [Adrian Zahra]
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode, host Dal Pawar interviews Adrian Zahra, a quality assurance professional, about his career journey and experiences in the pharmaceutical industry. They discuss topics such as leadership strategies, collaboration, and work-life balance. If you're interested in quality assurance and want to learn from industry experts, this is the podcast for you. Adrian, a quality assurance professional, shares his career journey and experiences as a QP in this podcast episode. The conversation revolves around the importance of collaboration in quality assurance teams and departments. Adrian notes the growing complexity and responsibility of...
2024-08-09
10 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 3 [Mukesh Patel]
In this episode of the QP Diaries Podcast, we dive into the future of quality assurance with a special guest Mukesh Patel. We discuss the importance of artwork origination, product recalls, and the importance of staying up-to-date and educated in this rapidly changing field. We also explore the value of building a professional QP network and how it can benefit your career.Host Dal Pawar speaks with Mukesh, who shares his non-traditional career path, starting from his passion for science as a teenager to his chemistry degree and research experience. They discuss the future of quality assurance and delve...
2024-07-29
07 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 2 [Chris Howell]
In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar welcomes special guest Chris Howell to discuss the intricacies of obtaining a GMP license for a new build facility. They delve into the three important phases of leading a project of this nature. In addition, Chris shares valuable insights for aspiring QPs and how to balance risk when thinking about the end user. Dal Pawar speaks with Chris, a seasoned quality assurance professional with over 30 years of experience. Chris shares his career journey and expertise as a QP...
2024-07-19
11 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Bitesize Diary Entry - 1 [Phoebe Clough]
2024-07-04
12 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Strategies for a successful VIVA, from a former QP Assessor's Perspective ~ Ep11
In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal interviews Mark King, who has over 30 years of experience in Quality based roles within the pharmaceutical industry. Mark is a Qualified Person under the permanent provisions since March 2001, and a former QP Assessor, Vice Chair and Chair of the Royal Society of Biology QP Assessors Panel.During the episode, Mark shares insights from his career journey and offers valuable advice to QPs and trainees. This includes sharing his best tips with trainees preparing for their VIVA, as well as rare insights into his experience as a panel assessor. The...
2024-05-14
45 min
3 Things
Karnataka sex abuse case, ED's requirements, and Delhi schools bomb threats
First Indian Express’ Kiran Parashar and Liz Mathew tell us about the Karnataka sex abuse case, in which Janata Dal (Secular) MP and its Hassan candidate Prajwal Revanna is the main accused. They delve into the allegations, the timeline since the matter surfaced, and the statements made by the JDS’ alliance partner, the BJP, regarding the issue.Next, Indian Express’ Apurva Vishwanath discusses the Delhi liquor policy case and outlines a common challenge that the defense side is facing in the matter (12:32).And in the end, Indian Express’ Arnabjit Sur reports on the recent bomb threat received...
2024-05-02
24 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Artificial Intelligence in a GxP environment and its impact on YOU. How to stay relevant in the AI world
In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal interviews Martin Lush, who has 40 years’ leadership experience in pharmaceutical and health care. Martin has held senior (Global VP) leadership positions in global consulting/training business, manufacturing, operations, supply chain and QA (regulatory compliance) - biotech (aseptic) products and is a ‘Qualified Person’ (QP) under permanent provisions.
2024-04-17
21 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Artificial Intelligence in a GxP Environment and its impact on YOU. How to stay relevant in the AI world
In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal interviews Martin Lush, who has 40 years’ leadership experience in pharmaceutical and health care. Martin has held senior (Global VP) leadership positions in global consulting/training business, manufacturing, operations, supply chain and QA (regulatory compliance) - biotech (aseptic) products and is a ‘Qualified Person’ (QP) under permanent provisions.
2024-04-16
21 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Navigating the Journey to Becoming a Qualified Person ~ The QP Diaries ~ Ilona Stezowska ~ Ep10
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal interviews Ilona, a newly qualified QP in the UK pharmaceutical industry. Ilona shares her journey from a background in microbiology to becoming a QP, discussing her experience in quality control and R&D roles in clinical and pharmaceutical settings. Tune in to gain insights into Ilona's career transition and valuable expertise as a qualified person. Key moments [00:03:44] Journey to becoming a QP. [00:05:38] Challenges in QP training. [00:09:16] Challenges during training. [00:14:04] Study planning for QPs. [00:20:34] Staying motivated in training. [00:23:31] Viva assessment experience. [00:29:54] Unusual QP exam...
2024-03-25
38 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Navigating the Journey to Becoming a Qualified Person ~ The QP Diaries ~ Ilona Stezowska ~ Ep10
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal interviews Ilona, a newly qualified QP in the UK pharmaceutical industry. Ilona shares her journey from a background in microbiology to becoming a QP, discussing her experience in quality control and R&D roles in clinical and pharmaceutical settings. Tune in to gain insights into Ilona's career transition and valuable expertise as a qualified person. Key moments [00:03:44] Journey to becoming a QP. [00:05:38] Challenges in QP training. [00:09:16] Challenges during training. [00:14:04] Study planning for QPs. [00:20:34] Staying motivated in training. [00:23:31] Viva assessment experience. [00:29:54] Unusual QP exam...
2024-03-24
38 min
3 Things
The Catch Up: 11 March
This is the Catch Up on 3 Things for the Indian Express and I'm Niharika Nanda.It’s the 11th of March and here are today's headlines.The Supreme Court, in a hearing on Monday, directed the State Bank of India to furnish the details of individuals and companies who bought its electoral bonds to fund political parties by Tuesday. The court gave the order after rejecting a plea by the government-run bank seeking more time to do so. The SBI had earlier requested time till the 30th of June to disclose details of electoral bonds encashed by pol...
2024-03-11
02 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Innovative strategies for leadership that develop robust quality teams and advice for broadening your QP network ~ The QP Diaries ~ Rebecca Rutter ~ Ep9
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar interviews Rebecca, a seasoned quality assurance professional and qualified person (QP) in the UK pharmaceutical industry. They discuss various aspects of Rebecca's career, including her journey as a QP, her expertise, and her accomplishments. The episode focuses on leadership, team collaboration, tools and methodologies used in quality assurance, and advice for aspiring QPs. Listeners will gain insights into the world of quality assurance and learn from Rebecca's experiences as a leader in the industry. Tune in to this inspiring episode to empower...
2024-02-21
52 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Failing the VIVA first time- how to stay on track, stay motivated and achieve your goals ~ The QP Diaries ~ Phil Rose ~ Ep8
.. Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar speaks with guest is Phil Rose, who shares his personal experience of failing the VIVA the first time and how he overcame it. Phil provides a brief overview of his career journey, starting from his early lab work to his training as a QP and eventually becoming an inspector at the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency). He also discusses his transition into consultancy and his passion for training and mentoring the next generation of QPs. Key moments [00:01:17]: Mention of the...
2024-02-14
33 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Demystifying remediation challenges as a QP and employing strategies for success ~ The QP Diaries ~ Robin Railton ~ Ep7
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar speaks with Robin Railton, a seasoned qualified person (QP) in the pharmaceutical industry. They discuss the Robin's career journey and provide valuable advice for aspiring QPs. Additionally, they delve into the topic of working on remediation projects in the industry. With over 30 years of experience, the guest shares their insights and expertise, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in quality assurance and the pharmaceutical industry. Tune in to gain valuable knowledge and inspiration for your own QP career. Key moments [00:01:12...
2024-01-31
49 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Thought leadership for QPs keeping the patient in mind ~ The QP Diaries ~ Kevin Currie ~ Ep6
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar speaks with qualified QP, Kevin Currie, a Quality Professional for 30 years and 15 of those as a releasing QP. They discuss the importance of inspiring and empowering the next generation of QPs and share their personal story and expertise. Kevin shares how their career started in a laboratory working with chemicals, then on to his journey to becoming a Qualified Person. Kevin shares his experiences working as a Quality leader improving culture within organisations, and also how they learned critical thinking and problem-solving...
2024-01-24
49 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Sustaining a successful career as a QP ~ The QP Diaries ~ Richard Smalley ~ Ep5
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode, our host Dal Pawar sits down with special guest Richard to discuss his journey to becoming a Qualified Person (QP) and his experiences as a QP sponsor and assessor. They also delve into Richard's leadership experience and how he manages stress in his role. Plus, they explore the fascinating topic of artificial intelligence and its impact on the pharmaceutical industry. If you're passionate about quality assurance and want to learn from industry experts, this is the podcast for you. Don't miss out on this insightful and informative episode! Key moments 00:00:10...
2024-01-17
45 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
The Importance of Collaboration in QA Teams ~ The QP Diaries with Adrian Zahra ~ Ep4
Welcome to the QP Diaries podcast! In this episode, host Dal Pawar interviews Adrian Zahra, a quality assurance professional, about his career journey and experiences in the pharmaceutical industry. They discuss topics such as leadership strategies, collaboration, and work-life balance. If you're interested in quality assurance and want to learn from industry experts, this is the podcast for you. Adrian, a quality assurance professional, shares his career journey and experiences as a QP in this podcast episode. The conversation revolves around the importance of collaboration in quality assurance teams and departments. Adrian notes the growing complexity and responsibility of...
2023-11-24
45 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Fostering Growth and Learning in Your QP Career ~ The QP Diaries with Mukesh Patel ~ Ep3
In this episode of the QP Diaries Podcast, we dive into the future of quality assurance with a special guest Mukesh Patel. We discuss the importance of artwork origination, product recalls, and the importance of staying up-to-date and educated in this rapidly changing field. We also explore the value of building a professional QP network and how it can benefit your career. Host Dal Pawar speaks with Mukesh, who shares his non-traditional career path, starting from his passion for science as a teenager to his chemistry degree and research experience. They discuss the future of quality assurance and delve...
2023-11-24
31 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Intricacies of obtaining a GMP license for a new facility ~ The QP Diaries with Chris Howell ~ Ep2
In this episode of the QP Diaries podcast, host Dal Pawar welcomes special guest Chris Howell to discuss the intricacies of obtaining a GMP license for a new build facility. They delve into the three important phases of leading a project of this nature. In addition, Chris shares valuable insights for aspiring QPs and how to balance risk when thinking about the end user. Dal Pawar speaks with Chris, a seasoned quality assurance professional with over 30 years of experience. Chris shares his career journey and expertise as a QP in the pharmaceutical industry. Listeners will gain insights into the...
2023-11-24
43 min
The QP Diaries, by AssureBio
Embracing the Future: AI and Quality Assurance ~ The QP Diaries with Phoebe Clough ~ Ep1
In this episode of the QP Diaries Podcast, we delve into the fascinating world of artificial intelligence (AI). Join us as we discuss the incentives of AI in the industry and explore its potential to transform the way we work. Our special guest, Phoebe Clough, shares her insights and experiences with AI, from utilizing virtual reality & augmented reality for L&D, to creating interactive chatbots for QPs. Host Dal Pawar speaks with Phoebe, a contract QP, about her career journey as a quality assurance and QP professional. Phoebe shares her expertise and experiences, highlighting the importance of continuous learning...
2023-11-24
41 min
Daily Dose
Daily Dose Ep 1342: Sharad Pawar quits as NCP chief, Cong’s Bajrang Dal ban promise
Saeeduzzaman brings you the news from the Supreme Court, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Delhi, and Kenya.Produced by Priyali Dhingra, edited by Umrav Singh. Contribute to our new NL Sena. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
2023-05-02
08 min
BusinessLine Podcasts
A mega Opposition alliance on the cards?
On Tuesday, members of several parties, including the TMC, Samajwadi Party, National Conference, CPI(M), CPI, Aam Aadmi Party and the Rashtriya Lok Dal met at NCP chief Sharad Pawar’s home. They discussed issues like Covid management, the attack on institutions and unemployment. Is a mega opposition alliance on the cards? Listen to the podcast. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/business-line/message
2021-06-23
03 min