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Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 61: Patrick Debois, The “Godfather of DevOps,” on AI, Automation, and InnovationJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Patrick Dubois. Often referred to as the Godfather of DevOps, Patrick shares his insights on the evolving landscape of DevOps and its intersection with generative AI. He discusses how the principles of DevOps are being applied to the rapidly changing world of AI, emphasizing the importance of testing, automation, and team structures in this new era. Patrick reflects on the lessons learned from past technology transformations and how they can inform current practices in integrating AI into business processes.
Listen as Mik and Patrick as they outline actionable st...2025-01-0757 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 60: Robin Yeman and Dr. Suzette Johnson on Implementing Lean, Agile, and DevOps PrinciplesJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are industry luminaries Dr. Suzette Johnson and Robin Yeman. Suzette and Robin explore the integration of lean, agile, and digital methodologies into the increasingly complex realm of cyber-physical systems. They share compelling insights from their recently published book, "Industrial DevOps: Build Better Systems Faster." Suzette and Robin also stress the importance of integrating agile practices beyond software into hardware and the broader cyber-physical ecosystem, highlighting real-world examples and debunking common misconceptions.
Listen as Mik, Suzette, and Robin reflect on the evolution from small team agility to expansive, mu...2024-10-1552 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 59: McKinsey + Company’s Martin Harrysson & Megha Sinha on Maximizing Business Value Through Product Operating ModelsMartin Harryson & Megha Sinha
Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One are Martin Harryson & Megha Sinha from McKinsey & Company. With a focus on their research which quantified the benefits of shifting from project to product models, Martin and Megha share insights on how these transformations can significantly enhance profitability and efficiency. As technology advances, the integration and upskilling necessary for these models are more critical than ever.
Listen as Mik, Martin, and Megha explore the importance of cross-functional collaboration, the challenges in aligning incentives, and the necessity of robust organizational design.
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Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 58: Steve Mayner on Implementing Pragmatic AI in the EnterpriseJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Dr. Steve Mayner, a revered expert and coach in digital leadership, organizational change strategy, continuous learning culture, agile contracts, and SAFe practices within government contexts. Mik and Dr. Steve Mayner discuss the nuances of transformative leadership and its pivotal role in driving successful business agility and digital transformation efforts. They also examine the evolution and future of Lean-Agile practices tailored for the fast-evolving AI landscape.
Listen as Mik and Dr. Steve Mayner explore the intersections of digital leadership, Agile transformation, and the emerging impacts of artificial i...2024-08-061h 09
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 57: Gene Kim on "Wiring the Winning Organization," Unlocking High-Performance OrganizationsJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology luminary Gene Kim. Gene Kim is an esteemed author and technology thought leader with over two decades of experience studying high-performing technology organizations. Mik and Gene look into the groundbreaking insights from Gene's latest book, "Wiring the Winning Organization," co-authored with Dr. Steven Spear. They navigate the pressing need for new organizational frameworks that bridge the gaps left by traditional models like Lean, Agile, and DevOps. They also analyze the core mechanisms vital to achieving optimal organizational performance, such as simplification and amplification.
Listen as M...2024-07-0256 min
Agile Amped ASGSAFe Summit 2024 | Using AI for Agile Transformation: Insights from Dr. Mik KerstenWelcome to a new episode of Agile Amped! Broadcasting live from the SAFe Summit 2024. Our host, Alexander Birke from Accenture Leadership, is joined by special guest Dr. Mik Kersten, CEO of Tasktop Technologies and visionary behind the task-focused interface. Dr. Kersten's expertise in software development tools and productivity is unparalleled, making him a key figure in the Eclipse community.
Today, we dive into the potential of AI within the SAFe framework, tapping into Dr. Kersten's deep understanding of application lifecycle management, agile methodologies, and effective management practices. Join us as we explore how AI can revolutionize change management, with Dr...2024-05-0325 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 56: GitHub’s Scott Densmore on the Copilot Revolution, Coding at the Speed of ThoughtJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Scott Densmore, VP of Engineering at GitHub, to discuss the future of connected work and the impact of GitHub Copilot on developer productivity.
GitHub Copilot is an AI-powered tool that provides code completion and suggestions to developers, allowing them to write code faster and more efficiently. Scott shares the history of GitHub Copilot and how it has evolved to become a game-changer in the world of software development. He also talks about developer flow and happiness and explains how Copilot enhances these aspects by reducing toil and increasing...2023-12-1451 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 55: Professor Mohan Sawhney: Rethinking Product Management with AIJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Professor Mohan Sawhney, Associate Dean of Digital Innovation and a Clinical Professor of Marketing at Northwestern University.
Sawhney discusses the evolution and importance of product management as a discipline. He emphasizes the need for formal training and frameworks in product management and highlights the role of product managers as mini CEOs and customer advocates. Sawhney also explores the challenges and opportunities in implementing product management in different industries, including technology companies, B2B industrial companies, and service-based organizations.
Listen as Mik and Sawhney explore the impact of...2023-10-1952 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 54: Dr. Pallab Chatterjee on Digital Transformation WasteJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Pallab Chatterjee, a visionary entrepreneur and technology expert. Pallab is currently the chairman of 3Lines VC, a boutique VC firm specializing in investments in AI-focused companies in the US and India. Pallab shares his journey from running a research lab at Texas Instruments to becoming the CEO of IT Technologies and Symphony Retail AI. Mik and Pallab discuss the TI-84 and TI-86 calculators, which Pallab helped bring to market, and how they revolutionized the industry. They discuss the importance of understanding waste and its impact on organizational capacity and the...2023-08-0856 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 53: George Kadifa on Generative AIJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is technology visionary George Kadifa to discuss generative AI and its potential impact on the tech industry.
George discusses how generative AI has changed the conversation with machines, allowing them to generate new content, code, images, and videos in a multi-modal fashion. This development is expected to be even bigger than all the previous tech transformations combined. George Kadifa has a long history of predicting tech trends and capitalizing on them. He believes that generative AI is set to revolutionize the scientific method by being able to comprehend complex...2023-06-0753 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 52: Mik Kersten on the 2023 Project to Product State of the Industry ReportIn this episode of Mik + One, we’re flipping the script!
Debbie Konrad, an early Value Stream Management advocate, interviews Mik. The two discuss a new report, the 2023 Project to Product State of the Industry Report, that analyzed anonymized data from 2022 of 3600+ software delivery teams representing over 38,000 business product owners and engineers combined with 326 targeted survey respondents in 34 of the world’s leading enterprises. It revealed that five years into the shift from project to product, following the publication of Mik's seminal book on the subject, only 8 percent of sample have operationalized the product model.
Debb...2023-03-2154 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 51: Carol Houle on Strategic Digital TransformationsJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Carol Houle, Senior Vice President and Global Head of Financial Services and Insurance at Atos. With over two decades of experience in building and renovating businesses seeking to focus on strategic digital transformations, Carol shares success stories and challenging lessons she has learned in her professional journey. Carol and Mik talk about the complexities of agile transformation, and the role that education can play in optimizing value streams.
Mik and Carol also have a transformative discussion about how the shift from project to product is actually a shift o...2023-01-2441 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 50: Former Ford CEO Mark Fields on the Value of a Unified VisionJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Mark Fields, Senior Advisor to TPG Capital, a member of Planview's board of directors, and former CEO of Ford Motor Company. Mark has presided over three decades of strategic and digital transformations at global businesses and shares how he consistently succeeded with a focus on product. He discusses the value of possessing agility, a unified vision, and a rallying cry as a business to create a product that delivers more value and potentially diverts a company off more common value streams.
In this episode, Mik and Mark also d...2022-12-2047 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 49: Brendan Hopper on Lessons Learned Shifting From Project to ProductJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Brendan Hopper, is the CIO for technology at Commonwealth Bank Group. He is responsible for ensuring the bank has a world leading IT engineering capability and is making the right technology investments and decisions. Brendan shares what drives his passion for driving innovation and flow at organizations and why technology should become an accelerator, not a disruptor for organizations and their customers.
In this episode, Mik and Brendan also discuss org structure and the core principle that to be evolutionary means focusing on small increments and n...2022-11-2250 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 48: Steve Berez on How to Do Agile RightJoining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is Steve Berez, advisory partner at Bain & Company and co-author of Doing Agile Right, Transformation Without Chaos.
In this episode, Mik and Steve discuss:
Insights into Steve’s 30+ year journey developing Bain’s technology practice
Real examples of implementing agile practices and how to do it right
How to get buy-in from Finance teams and demonstrate the value of a capacity-based mindset
Strategies organizations can take to realize Agile benefits more quickly
How Doing Agile Right can improve the business technology dialogue
Subscribe to the Mik + One podc...2022-08-3048 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 47: Razat Gaurav on Rebuilding the Future of the Enterprise and the Three Waves of Software Value Stream OptimizationIn this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Razat Gaurav, Chief Executive Officer at Planview.
In this episode, Mik and Razat discuss the trillion-dollar opportunity ahead to rebuild the future of how the enterprise works. Topics include:
How new market realities will impact the way we think about transformations
Designing foundational capabilities with resiliency in mind to maximize flow and unlock value
Deep dive into the three “waves” that optimize software value streams
The fundamental nature of operationalizing with learning cycles and feedback loops
How Tasktop joining Planview will dramatically accelerate the ability to help...2022-07-1957 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 46: Sejal Amin on Lasting Organizational Change that Drives InnovationJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Sejal Amin, current Chief Product and Technology Officer for Khoros, where she leads global product development teams to build great experiences for customers.
In this episode, Mik and Sejal discuss a wide range of topics around continuous improvement, team health, organizational design, and flow.
Key discussions include:
Lessons Sejal learned from making the shift from project to product and barriers to overcome when making that shift
The importance of team culture and emphasizing the health of the team
Strategies to accelerate and make lasting organizational...2022-06-1756 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 45: Jean-Michel Lemieux on Building Great Software to Maximize Business ImpactJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Jean-Michel Lemieux, author, investor, advisor, and former CTO and SVP of Engineering at Shopify.In this episode, Mik and Jean-Michel discuss a wide range of topics around engineering, architecture, scale, organizational design, and flow. Key discussions include:How Lemieux approached his role at Shopify, and insights into some of the actions he took to turn Shopify into a platform to create business valueThe importance of identifying the type of work you’re doing in order to innovate and improve the velocity of your software evolutionStructuring teams to ensure developer ha...2022-05-041h 00
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 44: Geordie Henderson on Implementing Organizational Design and Innovation to Scale High-Performing TeamsJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Geordie Henderson, General Manager of AWS Messaging and Streaming at Amazon Web Services, and previously the VP of Engineering at Hootsuite.
In this episode, Mik and Geordie share insights into organizational design and innovation to build, integrate and lead successful software organizations, as well as other key topics including:
An overview of Geordie’s experience in scaling high-performing teams at Amazon Web Services and Hootsuite, and advice to leaders on the missteps to avoid
Implementing the correct team structures and dynamics when optimizing flow for business outcomes
Ho...2022-04-0551 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 43: Darrell Fernandes on Driving Organizational Improvement To Deliver Customer ValueIn this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Darrell Fernandes, Head of Product Technology at TIAA, a Fortune 100 financial services organization that is the leading provider of financial services in the academic, research, medical, cultural and governmental fields.
In this episode, Mik and Darrell discuss themes around driving organizational improvement and customer value, as well as other topics including:
The five key accountabilities that all IT product managers should consider when thinking about how an IT product fits within the market
Insights into successfully building out Objectives and Key Results (OKRs) that align with...2022-03-1555 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 42: Manuel Pais on Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast FlowJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Manuel Pais, co-author of Team Topologies: Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast Flow.
In this episode, Mik and Manuel discuss some of the key themes in Team Topologies, as well as other topics including:
Manuel's learnings and key tips on how to effectively manage team collaboration in the shift to remote-first and hybrid working
The relationship between the ideas behind the Flow Framework and Team Topologies
Advice on how to set up value streams to enable and improve team flow and capacity when delivering digital experiences
...2022-02-2250 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 41: Bank of New Zealand on Applying the Flow Metrics at ScaleTo kick off the first episode of 2022, Mik is joined by two guests from Bank of New Zealand: Paul Littlefair, Chief Technology Officer, and BMK Lakshminarayanan, Value Stream Architect.
In this episode, Mik, Paul and BMK delve into how Bank of New Zealand has been applying the shift from Project to Product and Flow Metrics, and other key topics including:
Insight into how Bank of New Zealand’s transformation journey started, and the goals they first set out to achieve
The importance of investing in continuous improvement, and rewarding for improvement and not just output
Getting le...2022-02-0158 minMik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenHappy Holidays: A Message From Dr. Mik KerstenWe're taking a break for the holidays, but Dr. Mik Kersten, Tasktop Founder & CEO, and best-selling author of 'Project to Product', has left a short message to thank all of you for tuning in over the last year.
We'll be back with new episodes in 2022, however in the meantime, keep in touch by joining the Flow Framework Slack Community.
Built on communal learning, trust and professional development, this community provides a safe space to connect with business and technology leaders seeking to develop expertise in the transition from project to product, value stream management, Flow...2021-12-2102 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 40: Dean Leffingwell on The Practices and Behaviors of High-Performing TeamsWe’re delighted to welcome back Leffingwell, Co-founder and Chief Methodologist at Scaled Agile. Dean is an entrepreneur and software development methodologist best known for creating SAFe®, the most widely used framework for business Agility.
In this episode, Mik and Dean focus on practices and behaviors of high-performing teams, digging into their own experiences on what makes teams thrive. Additional topics include:
Dean’s learnings on what he has seen with large transformations using SAFe
Insight into how and why the Flow Metrics were incorporated into SAFe 5.1
The importance of predictability in the enterprise
The evolution of th...2021-12-0749 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 39: Sally Elatta on Business Agility and MeasurementJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Sally Elatta, CEO and Founder of AgilityHealth and Agile Videos.
In this episode, Mik and Sally discuss the importance of using business agility and measurement as critical ways in driving innovation, as well as other key topics such as:
Sally’s business agility journey and her learnings from over the years
Insight into some of the biggest surprises from AgilityHealth’s study on metrics and measurements
The success patterns of creating a roadmap for improvement of change, and the importance of continuous improvement, removing obstacles and developing tale...2021-11-2346 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 38: Dave Snowden on The Cynefin FrameworkIn this episode, Mik is joined by Dave Snowden, CSO & Founder of Cognitive Edge and Director of the Cynefin Center.
In this episode, Mik and Dave talk about the development of Cynefin, a framework for decision making, and other key topics including:
The Cynefin framework and some of the existing methodologies and techniques that have been developed
Examples of things that have gone in the wrong direction as a result of not understanding some of the first principles
The best practices for technology leaders to identify and thrive through chaotic events or chaotic environments
Guidance on...2021-11-091h 04
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 37: Felipe Castro on Connecting Business Agility To OKRsWe're back! And what an episode we have to kick things off. Joining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Felipe Castro, renowned author, speaker and trainer on objectives and key results (OKRs).
In this episode, Mik and Felipe talk about how Felipe helps organizations transform how they use goals by adopting OKRs, and other key topics such as:
How Felipe became an early adopter of OKRs
Common mistakes organizations use when leveraging OKRs
Why unlearning is the solution to change the ways of working
The importance of shortening Feedback loops to manage risks and...2021-10-261h 01
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 36: Summer Special with Dr. Mik KerstenIn this special episode of Mik + One, Mik summarizes some of his favorite episodes from the last 18 months and provides insight into some of his key takeaways including:
Interesting insights on scaling Agile and helping digital transformation succeed
The importance of equity, diversity and inclusion on value streams
The pivotal role of leadership’s responsibility on improving daily work
Flow Metrics and OKRs as a match made in heaven
How balancing portfolios to managing risk and debt can be a key enabler of innovation
Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so you never miss an episode an...2021-07-2049 min
CapitalGeekMik Kersten, CEO and founder of TaskTopDr. Mik Kersten is the CEO of Tasktop and best-selling author of Project To Product: How to Survive and Thrive in the Age of Digital Disruption with the Flow Framework. Mik started his career as a Research Scientist at Xerox PARC where he built the first aspect-oriented development environment. He then pioneered the integration of development environments with Agile and DevOps tools while working on his Computer Science PhD at the University of British Columbia. Founding Tasktop out of that research, Mik has written over one million lines of open-source code that are still in use today and has...2021-07-1537 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 35: Christian Idiodi on Product Management at All LevelsIn this episode, Mik is joined by Christian Idiodi, Partner at Silicon Valley Product Group.
Mik and Christian talk about how to establish product management disciplines and other key topics including:
Fascinating insights into how Christian got into product management, how he landed within Silicon Valley Product Group and insights about his own career
Establishing product management disciplines at multiple levels of the organization and why it is an important catalyst to successful transformations
The importance of good leadership and management, and why it’s crucial to establish stable teams that can learn, solve problems and de...2021-06-2952 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 34: Courtney Kissler on Nike, Nordstrom, Starbucks and OKRsJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Courtney Kissler, Chief Technology Officer at online retailer, Zulily.
In this episode, Mik and Courtney talk about Courtney's experience in driving technological transformations and cover many key topics such as:
Courtney’s journey within DevOps and how her experience leading transformations at large enterprises including Nordstrom, Starbucks and Nike led her to Zulily
The importance of fixed capacity and creating a generative culture where team members feel they can be honest and supported
Value stream mapping and how this can help teams and organizations understand the dynamics of...2021-06-1547 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 33: Scott Prugh on Product Value Streams and Service OwnershipJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Scott Prugh, Chief Technology Officer at CSG.
In this episode, Mik and Scott talk about Scott’s experience and learnings from within the DevOps community, as well as many other key topics including:
The three domains in DevOps portfolio management and how to think about them independently, as well as how they reinforce each other
Flow Load and Work in Progress (WIP) and how organizations end up with a mismatch between capacity and the work that’s booked and committed
Combining service ownership with produce value streams
How...2021-06-0148 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 32: Carmen DeArdo on Not Letting Your Work Manage YouJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Carmen DeArdo, Principal Flow Advisor and VSM Practice Lead at Tasktop, and co-author of the award-winning book, Standing on Shoulders: A Leader’s Guide to Digital Transformation.
This episode covers:
Insight into Carmen’s early experience at Nationwide and Bell Labs, and how he has applied his experience and learnings to help other organizations today
Carmen’s expertise with local optimization of the value stream and how he works with organizations to take those first steps in making the switch from vertical thinking to horizontal thinking
The origin...2021-05-1847 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 31: Gene Kim on Psychological Safety and Communications PathsIn this episode of Mik + One, Mik sits down with Gene Kim, best-selling author of The Phoenix Project and The Unicorn Project, as well as co-author of The DevOps Handbook.
In this episode, Gene chats to Mik about the next book that he’s working on, and provides many insights into:
The journey of the Unicorn Project, the effect it had on technology leaders and how it changed their perspectives
A deeper look into the importance of Psychological Safety and how this links to an organization’s structure and dynamics
Successful communication paths within an organization in o...2021-05-0455 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 30: Brian Solis on the Digital Change Agents in the Novel EconomyIt’s episode 30 and what a guest we’ve got! Mik welcomes Brian Solis, Global Innovation Evangelist at Salesforce and world-renowned keynote speaker and an award-winning author of eight bestselling books.
In this episode, Mik and Brian cover a lot of ground and discuss many key topics including:
How people should think about their digital transformations in order to change their thinking in 2021 and adapt to the novel economy
Avoiding the pitfalls and traps of digital transformations and guidance on how organizations can successfully adapt
The importance of defining a product value stream and measuring transformations to i...2021-04-2034 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 29: Maya Leibman and Ross Clanton on American Airlines Going ContactlessIn this episode, Mik is joined by two IT leaders from American Airlines: Maya Leibman, Executive Vice President and Chief Information Officer, and Ross Clanton, Managing Director of Technology Transformation.
Mik, Maya and Ross delve into American Airlines shift to digital innovation, including insights into:
Changing and influencing leaderships approach to IT, innovation and software
Working with finance to enable them to better understand software products and IT value streams
How American Airlines delivered touchless kiosk in six weeks in response to the COVID-19 pandemic
Some of the missteps and failures where things didn't go as...2021-04-0644 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 28: Pieter Jordaan on TUI’s Incredible 6-Month Cloud JourneyJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Pieter Jordaan, Group CTO at TUI, the world’s leading integrated tourism group operating in more than a hundred destinations worldwide.
In this episode, Mik and Pieter discuss Pieter’s contribution to TUI’s successful transformation to cloud and product value streams, as well as other key discussion points including:
Pieter’s background and how he came to work for TUI, where the company was when he met Mik and the kind of business they were doing at that time
How Pieter approached the transformation to consolidate the comp...2021-03-231h 05
The Digital ExecutiveDeliver More Value to Your Business by Applying Flow Metrics to OKRs with CEO Mik Kersten | Ep 228Send us a text
Tasktop's CEO, Mik Kersten, joins Coruzant Technologies for the Digital Executive podcast. He shares that his passion and inspired for his success has been learning from people. Having the servitude mentality to learn from customers and be inspired by his staff. People are what makes the world go 'round.
2021-03-1312 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 27: Robin Yeman on A Common Language Across SilosJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Robin Yeman, Senior Fellow and Agile DevSecOps Enterprise coach at Lockheed Martin.
In this episode, Mik and Robin discuss how Robin approaches leadership with complex systems of systems and other key discussion points including:
Insight into Robin’s journey and PhD thesis, examining how to deploy complex system of systems using Agile and DevSecOps
The need to develop a common language by connecting the different systems, vocabularies, the ways people work and collaborate, prototype and build systems
How Robin helps organizations develop this common language through a co...2021-03-0950 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 26: Eric Willeke on the Metrics Killing Your TransformationIn this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Eric Willeke, Co-Founder and Principal of Elevate.to.
In this episode, Mik and Eric touch on many key points around simplicity and flow to drive successful digital transformations, including:
Lean-agile techniques and helping organizations to understand agility, progress and reorganize around it
How inherent simplicity relates to flow and how to reverse Work in Progress (WIP) issues and bottlenecks
Agile sponsorships and the importance of tying agility to the company’s purpose and market outcomes in a clear and obvious way
The risks of mechanical adoption an...2021-02-2354 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 25: Rene Te-Strote on The Future of Transport: Virtual SimulationIn this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Rene Te-Strote, Senior IT Project Lead for the BMW Group.
In this episode, Mik and Rene discuss Rene’s contributions to innovate the BMW Group by mixing hardware and software development and other key discussion points including:
How Rene started his career in BMW, first working in a production plant and then moving to the IT department
Some of the foundational principles Rene applied to innovate and point the organization in the right direction, such as thinking of the entire manufacturing process as a product
How Ren...2021-02-0941 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 24: Adrian Cockcroft on Serviceless Servers and Chaos EngineeringKicking off the first episode of 2021, Mik is joined by Adrian Cockcroft, VP of Cloud Architecture Strategy at Amazon Web Services.
In this episode, Mik and Adrian discuss Adrian’s predictions for application architecture in 2021, what’s happening with microservices architecture and other key discussion points including:
Serverless services and why the time is now to use the fastest way to deliver these applications
Adrian’s guidance for using AWS’ new greenfield applications that can help quickly bring a product to market
How organizations can use Wardley maps as a powerful tool to map out their efforts...2021-01-261h 19
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 23: Gail Murphy on What Makes Us All UnproductiveIn the final Mik + One episode of 2020, Mik is joined by Gail Murphy, Tasktop Co-Founder, and Professor of Computer Science and VP of Research and Innovation at the University of British Columbia.
This episode with Mik and Gail includes discussion points around:
Insights into some of the cutting edge research projects Gail has led on productivity, tooling and development teams
Measuring individual, team and organizational productivity and unproductivity
Software development as a complex task and the need for teams to have autonomy to apply complex work
The fundamentals of decision making and the importance of flow...2020-12-1552 min
Voices in InnovationVoices in Innovation – Jon Collins Speaks with Mik Kersten of Tasktop on Driving Value Through Visibility
VP of Research Jon Collins speaks with Mik Kersten, Founder and CEO of Tasktop on driving value through visibility.
Voices in Innovation – Jon Collins Speaks with Mik Kersten of Tasktop on Driving Value Through Visibility2020-12-1034 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 22: John Cutler on What Startups can REALLY Teach EnterprisesJoining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is “sage and poet of product thinking” John Cutler, Head of Product Research & Education at Amplitude.
In this episode, Mik and John discuss:
Defining what a product is
Rethinking how to apply product thinking to force multipliers and change steps
The “sixth sense” required to understand the challenges of software design and technology
What traditional enterprises can learn from startups and tech 2.0 companies
Mapping organizational structure to strategy to drive innovation
Embracing the interplay of skills and knowledge across the organization
Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so...2020-12-0157 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 21: David Anderson on IT Shifting to Partner-Enabling TechnologyJoining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is David Anderson, Director of Technology, Liberty IT.
In this episode, Mik and David discuss:
Liberty IT’s journey into a serverless-first world
A customer over cost-centric approach to cloud
Removing “undifferentiated heavy lifting” from the work environment
Creating “two-way door” architecture for flexibility and flow
Using “lego blocks” to help engineers build innovative solutions on the cloud
Shift away from traditional IT to partner-enabling technology
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Agile Amped Podcast - Inspiring ConversationsWhy Do Efforts to Change Organizations Often Fail?Mik Kersten, author of “Projects to Products” and CEO of Tasktop, has seen a reoccurring theme. We go to conferences; we hear about all these fantastic things that can happen when we incorporate lean practices, continuous flow, and feedback. We come back pumped to start changing the way we work because we know it will improve our lives for the better. Then suddenly, the motivation gets drained out of us by all the internal systems in place that effectively prohibit change. Mik has boiled the reasons we face in these situations down to three things: Language differences between business and...2020-11-1022 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 20: Justin Watts on Doing The Right Things WrongJoining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is Justin Watts, Director of Agile Change at Lloyd Banking Group one of the UK’s Big Four banks.
In this episode, Mik and Justin discuss:
Redesigning software systems around flow to the customer instead of process
Respecting the laws of physics when accelerating flow across value streams
Importance of doing the right things wrong, rather than wrong things right
Identifying leading indicators to track and improve lagging measures
How the economies of flows outweigh the economies of scale
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Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 19: Peter Moore on Zone Management MeasurementJoining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is Peter D. Moore, a business and digital technology strategy advisor specializing in helping companies manage exponential revenue, margin and net income growth.
In this episode, Mik and Peter discuss:
In the influence of the Zone Management Model on Project to Product
The role of different cultures and leadership in specific zones
The need for specific metrics and targets for each zone
The big evolution in IT skill sets to fill the talent gap
How the Flow Framework® can be applied to all zones to balance innovation with p...2020-10-2055 min
What the Dev?What the Dev(Ops)? - How to diagnose your company's value stream health with Mik Kersten- Episode 61In partnership with the DevOps Enterprise Summit, we spoke with Mik Kersten, CEO of Tasktop, about how organizations can diagnose the health of their value stream. This has become an especially important subject now as the pandemic has emphasized the need for quick and effective value stream management.Kersten will be a keynote speaker on October 14th at the DevOps Enterprise Summit. Be sure to sign up for the DevOps Enterprise Summit Las Vegas between October 13th -15th for expert talks and three full days of immersive learning!2020-10-1217 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 18: Bryon Kroger on Agile Development Success at the DoDOn this episode of Mik + One, Mik is joined by Bryon Kroger, Founder and CEO of Rise8, and former co-founder and COO of the USAF's Kessel Run.
In this episode, Mik and Bryon’s conversation includes discussions around:
The remarkable story of Project Kessel Run at the U.S. Airforce
Driving change at large bureaucracies
Adopting a “think big, start small” strategy to software transformation
Paying attention to total cost of ownership of a value stream
Avoiding the Lean trap and alignment trap
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Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 17: John Willis on Your Most Pressing BottleneckJoining Mik on this episode of Mik + One is John Willis, Senior Director of the Global Transformation Office at Red Hat.
In this episode, Mik and John discuss:
Embracing failure for continual learning
Flow Metrics as the next evolution of software delivery measurement
Where most waste and wait times are found
How team happiness is a leading indicator of value stream health
The right structure and measures for adaptive, complex systems
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Innovation and the Digital EnterpriseFinding Flow in Software Development with Mik KerstenBurnout can cripple any organization and for many technology firms, it’s the standard by which business is conducted. Dr. Mik Kersten believes that the key to happy software engineers (and the executives that manage them) is to create flow using a framework.Mik joins Patrick and Shelli for a discussion on flow diagnostics, how teams respond to being measured, and why it’s important to understand people’s energies. Listen for his thoughts on flow framework and pick up his book Project to Product: How to Survive and Thrive in the Age of Digital Disruption with the Fl...2020-09-1037 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 16: Dr. Nicole Forsgren & Dr. Denae Ford Robinson on Breaking Developer Persona StereotypesIn this episode, Mik is joined by two guests: Dr. Nicole Forsgren, VP of Research & Strategy at GitHub, and Dr. Denae Ford Robinson, Senior Researcher in the SAINTes group at Microsoft Research.
Mik, Nicole and Denae had an energetic and insightful conversation about many topics, including:
Measuring productivity, and how leaders can utilize these insights to build diverse systems and measures to strengthen inclusion and diversity at scale
The importance of making the workflow, conversations and collaborations visible
Creating a company culture that embraces diversity and inclusion, and encourages employees to bring their authentic selves and...2020-09-0853 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 15: Adrian Cockcroft on the CEO’s Most Critical MetricJoining Mik in this episode of Mik + One is Adrian Cockcroft, VP of Cloud Architecture Strategy at Amazon Web Services.
In this episode, Mik and Adrian provide concrete advice on moving ahead in the digital world and cover many key discussion points including:
Insight into Adrian’s experiences establishing technical practices in organizations like eBay, Netflix and AWS
The importance of product-centred innovation in order to pave the path for faster success
Business agility, and why all organizations must have this in order to innovate and stay ahead of the competition
The importance of feedback loops wh...2020-08-251h 06
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 14: Heather Munoz on Visualizing Systems ThinkingIn this episode of Mik + One, Mik’s guest is Heather Munoz, Head of Retail Brokerage Practice, E*TRADE.
In this episode, Mik and Heather discuss many topics including:
The importance of an effective tool network and how it supports an organization’s value streams
Using visualization and data to get people to understand systems thinking approach in order to deliver more value to the customer
Thinking in flow metrics and using them to help shift to product thinking
Characteristics of a good leader and how showing empathy can lead to greater results
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Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 13: Don Reinersten on the Economic trade-offs in Product Development (Part 2)In this episode of Mik + One, Mik continues the conversation with Don Reinertsen, President of Reinertsen & Associates, a product development consulting firm located in Redondo Beach, CA, and author of three best-selling books on product development: Developing Products in Half the Time; Managing the Design Factory: A Product Developer’s Toolkit; and The Principles of Product Development Flow: Second Generation Lean Product Development.
The second part of this two-part special includes discussions around:
Assessing the reserve buoyancy of a project.
Using loss of safety margin as a leading indicator of project deterioration
Becoming more rigorous about ho...2020-07-2735 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 12: Don Reinersten on the Economic trade-offs in Product Development (Part 1)In the twelfth Mik + One, Mik sits down with Don Reinertsen, President of Reinertsen & Associates, a product development consulting firm located in Redondo Beach, CA, and author of three best-selling books on product development: Developing Products in Half the Time; Managing the Design Factory: A Product Developer’s Toolkit; and The Principles of Product Development Flow: Second Generation Lean Product Development.
A wide variety of topics were discussed in the first half of this special two-part episode, including:
Viewing product development decisions as economic tradeoffs
Shifting from deterministic planning models to a stochastic perspective
Managing the Fu...2020-07-1453 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 11: Dominica DeGrandis on Increasing Developer HappinessIn this episode of Mik + One, the official Project to Product podcast, Mik is joined by Dominica DeGrandis, Principal Flow Advisor at Tasktop and Author of “Making Work Visible: Exposing Time Theft to Optimize Work & Flow.”
In this episode, Mik and Dominica cover a variety of topics, including:
Reflections on the COVID-19 pandemic, its impact on organizations, and advice for leaders, teams and individuals to get through this time and find their own flow
Exploration into how Dominica’s work in ‘Making Work Visible’ applies at the individual, team and organization levels
Leadership’s role in acknowledgin...2020-06-3047 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 10: Team Topologies on Relieving Mental Pressure on TeamsRecorded at the 2019 annual SEACON conference in London, Mik has two special guests, Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais, authors of Team Topologies: Organizing Business and Technology Teams for Fast Flow.
This episode of Mik + One discusses:
Insights into the patterns and anti-patterns of how teams are structured and evolve, and why it’s important to focus on the cognitive load of teams
Team specialization, the need for platform teams and how to manage the crucial dependencies between teams
The need for a product value stream that’s supported by multiple teams, and the importance of flow in a...2020-06-1624 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 9: Jon Smart on Why Agile is No Longer the AnswerRecorded at the annual 2019 SEACON Conference in London, today Mik’s plus one is Jon Smart, Partner, Business Agility at Deloitte.
In this episode of Mik + One, Mik and Jon discuss:
The value and importance of focusing on “Better Value, Sooner, Safer, Happier” and why Agile is no longer the answer
The importance of senior leaders implementing a mindset shift and focusing on outcomes instead of output
Why leaders should be looking at the end-to-end flow, how it impacts business results and the need to identify what they are optimizing for and what they want to optimi...2020-05-2523 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 8: Dean Leffingwell on Measuring the Business Impact of SAFe®In the eighth episode of Mik + One, the official Project to Product podcast, Mik’s guest is Dean Leffingwell, Co-founder and Chief Methodologist at Scaled Agile.
In this episode, Mik and Dean cover:
SAFe 5.0 and the importance of having business agility in addition to technical agility
The different types of customers and understanding why internal customers are just as valuable and important as external ones
Abandoning organizational hierarchies to become more agile and survive digital disruption, as well as other paths for organizations to take to achieve business agility
Why teams must have autonomy but not be...2020-05-1258 min
The Idealcast with Gene Kim by IT RevolutionDigital Disruption, The Five Ideals: Peter Moore and Dr. Mik KerstenThis episode dives into the Five Ideals, key principles for success in a digital age, as they are introduced with two eminent experts that Gene admires greatly. For years, Dr. Mik Kersten’s work on dev productivity and digital disruption informed many of the core concepts found in The Unicorn Project.
Peter Moore is a business strategy and technology advisor who specializes in helping companies compete in the age of digital disruption. Newly acquainted within the last year, Peter has already shared so much with Gene and Mik about how we can best use technology to win in...2020-04-281h 26
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 7: Dave West on Avoiding the Industrial Mindset TrapIn the seventh episode of Mik + One, Mik’s guest is Dave West, CEO and Product Owner of Scrum.org.
In this episode, Mik and Dave discuss:
The digital age and how traditional enterprises can transform to become - software-driven businesses
The risk of falling into an industrial mindset trap, and what organizations can do differently to avoid failures
How digital natives have achieved the innovation cycle and why leadership at traditional enterprises have not internalized what it means
The importance of placing small bets and MVPs, and applying continuous learning and feedback into the innovation cy...2020-04-2831 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 6: Sam Guckenheimer on Ignoring Tech Debt at Your PerilJoining Mik for the sixth episode of Mik + One is Sam Guckenheimer, Product Owner for Azure DevOps at Microsoft, and a regular keynote speaker at industry-wide events, and the author of four fantastic books.
In this episode, Mik and Sam discuss:
How the current situation parallels to previous installation and deployment periods, and the patterns organizations can implement to leverage and survive the Turning Point
The importance of looking at investments in terms of core versus context, to better understand where the business needs to focus
The importance of flexibility and business agility, in order to...2020-04-1356 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 5: Shelley Perry on How Leadership Can Handle UncertaintyIn this episode of Mik + One, Mik’s guest is Shelley Perry, Managing Partner & Founder of ScaleLogix, who has immense experience setting tech companies up for success.
The goal of ‘Project to Product’ is to help organizations prepare for the Turning Point in the Age of Software. As the world experiences an economic fallout triggered by COVID-19, it is key that organizations move quickly to adapt. Read more here: https://www.tasktop.com/blog/covid-19-triggered-the-turning-point/
In this episode, Mik and Shelley cover:
Advice to organizations on how they can survive and thrive at a busi...2020-04-0238 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 4: International Women‘s Day SpecialIn honor of International Women’s Day 2020, Mik is joined by three incredible women within the industry: Gail Murphy, Tasktop Co-Founder, and Professor of Computer Science and VP of Research and Innovation at the University of British Columbia, Nicole Bryan, Vice President of Product Development at Tasktop; and Naomi Lurie, Senior Director of Product Marketing at Tasktop.
Gail, Nicole and Naomi had an open, inspirational and thought-provoking conversation with Mik about:
Why technology companies should not only focus on code and algorithms but should welcome a diversity of viewpoints to create products that people want to us...2020-03-0736 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 3: Carlota Perez on Surviving the Latest Technological RevolutionIn another fantastic episode, Mik’s plus one is Dr. Carlota Perez, author of Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital: The Dynamics of Bubbles and Golden Ages.
In this episode, Mik and Carlota discuss:
Where we are in the Turning Point of the Technological Revolution, and the challenges of achieving the Golden Age
What leaders in organizations and governments can do to think and act differently to survive the Technical Revolution and Turning Point
The lifestyle and characteristics of mass production and mass consumption, and the need to move from tangible products to non-tangible services
Successful examples of...2020-02-2437 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 2: Gene Kim on The Unicorn Project, The Five Ideals (Part 2)In this episode of Mik + One, Mik continues the conversation with Gene Kim, best-selling author of The Phoenix Project and The Unicorn Project, as well as co-author of The DevOps Handbook for the second part of their discussion.
This episode centers around:
Insight into the Third Ideal: Improvement of Daily Work - why focusing on the improvement of daily work is even more crucial than the daily work itself, and the implications this has on technical debt
The increasing significance of the Fourth Ideal: Psychological Safety - and its impact on organizational culture and performance
The...2020-02-1027 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenEpisode 1: Gene Kim on The Unicorn Project, The Five Ideals (Part 1)Introducing the first episode of Mik + One, Mik sits down with Gene Kim, best-selling author of The Phoenix Project and The Unicorn Project, as well as co-author of The DevOps Handbook.
In the first half of this special two-part episode, Mik and Gene talk about:
Gene’s journey, and how it led to The Unicorn Project
The motivation and origins behind the Five Ideals and how to put them into practice
The profound wisdom of the First Ideal: Locality and Simplicity -- and why leaders should use it as a test to identify whether they are pr...2020-01-2435 min
Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik KerstenMik + One: PromoSince publishing best-selling book, Project to Product, technology business leader, Dr. Mik Kersten, has introduced transformative frameworks and ideas for delivering software at scale. He has given numerous standing room only keynotes and presentations worldwide and is an internationally recognized thought-leader.
In this brand new podcast, Mik + One, nothing is off the record as Mik sits down with industry-leading guests and delves into how they deliver value and drive digital transformations in their organizations.
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Agile Amped Podcast - Inspiring ConversationsWhy Do Efforts to Change Organizations Often Fail?Mik Kersten, author of “Projects to Products” and CEO of Tasktop, has seen a reoccurring theme. We go to conferences; we hear about all these fantastic things that can happen when we incorporate lean practices, continuous flow, and feedback. We come back pumped to start changing the way we work because we know it will improve our lives for the better. Then suddenly, the motivation gets drained out of us by all the internal systems in place that effectively prohibit change.
Mik has boiled the reasons we face in these situations down to three things:
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Onward NationCreating value by identifying and solving your customers’ problems, with Dr. Mik KerstenDr. Mik Kersten spent a decade creating open-source developer tools before realizing that programming was not the bottleneck of large-scale software delivery. Since that time, he has been working on creating a model and tools for connecting the end-to-end software value stream. He has been named a JavaOne Rock Star speaker and one of the IBM developerWorks Java top 10 writers of the decade. He was selected as one of the 2012 Business in Vancouver 40 under 40 and has been a World Technology Awards finalist in the IT Software category. Kersten is the editor of the new IEEE Software Department...2019-12-1100 min
Happiness at WorkHappiness is Flow CEO and Co-Founder of Tasktop and author of the best selling book Project to Product, Mik Kersten explains what it takes for organizations to shift the way they manage software delivery. Find out how to survive and thrive in the age of digital disruption and what it means to work in flow. For more information, visit www.management30.com. 2019-10-2524 min
Agile Amped Podcast - Inspiring ConversationsFrom Projects to ProductsImagine a world where the same approaches that successful startups follow also worked for Fortune 500 companies. With the right organizational structures, it can be a dream come true. However, IT organizations tend to think that innovation is one install away and the path is littered with failed agile transformations. Changing from a project- to a product-centric approach may address some the major obstacles preventing the nimble startup-like success larger enterprises crave. Join us as we speak with Dr. Mik Kersten, CEO of Tasktop and author of “Project to Product: How to Survive and Thrive in th...2019-07-1145 min
AgileToolkit PodcastMik Kersten - DevOps Enterprise Summit 2018CEO of Tasktop Technologies Mik Kersten discusses his session "Project to Product: How Value Stream Networks Will Transform IT and Business" at the DevOps Enterprise Summit 2018. Connect with Mik and Bob on Twitter. Learn more about AgileToolkit Sponsor LitheSpeed at lithespeed.com. Transcript: Mik Kersten ‑ DevOps Enterprise Summit 2018 Bob Payne: "The Agile Toolkit." [music] Bob: Hi, I'm your host, Bob Payne, here at the DevOps Enterprise Summit 2018 with Mik Kersten. Mik, you gave a really great talk, one of the keyno...2018-11-0700 min
The OWASP Podcast SeriesMoving from Projects to Products w/ Mik Kersten"If you look inside a large enterprise IT organization, they have this very bizarre and broken layer that's completely separating the way that business thinks in terms of products, budgets and costs, and the way IT people know the way they need to innovate, which is delivering products faster." -- Mik Kersten
I sat down with Mik Kersten, CEO of TaskTop, and John Willis after Mik's presentation at DOES2018. His new book, Projects to Products, is an attempt to help the industry move from using success metrics more appropriate for the industrial age, to a new type of measurement where...2018-10-3139 min
Test and ReleaseEnterprise value streams' role in a software delivery modelDo software delivery teams overstress speed and discount value? Mik Kersten, CEO of Tasktop, which produces value stream tools, shares his thoughts in this Test and Release episode.2018-10-0200 min
DevOps ChatTasktop's Mik KerstenDevOps.com sits down with Tasktop CEO and co-founder, Dr Mik Kersten. Mik gives us a look at the latest in task management and more insight into DevOps2017-02-2116 min