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Speaking EnglishA Speaking English Reboot: The Place to Start if You're New HereMAIL BAG
Welcome one and all, especially if this is your first time visiting us. We decided that our first episode doesn't really paint a good picture of what we do here, so we made a bonus episode as an intro to the pod.
So this is what Speaking English is all about: a little about ourselves, what you can expect from us here, and what we do in our different types of episodes.
Thanks for listening, and hope to see you around !2024-06-0920 min
No Set Path: Creative Entrepreneurship Growth StoriesAuthenticity in the Digital World | Evan Bourcier - DirectorEvan Bourcier, a self-taught filmmaker, shares his experiences navigating the industry, his passion for teaching and helping other self-taught individuals and his observations on the changing landscape of online content creation.Evan reflects on his initial fascination with the world of high-end cinematography, which led him to produce content prolifically, only to bring it to an abrupt halt. He explores the motivations behind his decision, revealing that his urge to share knowledge stemmed from a desire to process the information he was learning. He also shares his observation on the hyper-engineered nature of online content that often...2024-05-071h 00Speaking English186: The 3rd Annual Speaking English AwardsMAIL BAG HERE
The Shiners have arrived once again! Tune in to see who took home the prizes in the biggest movie award show around !
Intro (00:00)
Our Previous Shiners episodes: 108, 152
What We Did This Week (02:30)
Quick Oscars Discussion (09:46)
The Shiners Begin (15:20)
Ensemble Cast (16:30)
Best Soundtrack (20:16)
Screenplay (22:57)
Sound Design (25:20)
Editing (27:30)
Costuming (31:13)
Production Design (33:38)
Supporting Performance (35:32)
Cinematography (37:41)
Most Unique Picture (40:50)
Direction (43:11)2024-03-121h 00Speaking EnglishBonus: Evan's 100 Years Ago Project 2023All the movies from 1923 that should still be seen today (according to me)
Lists here on Letterboxd:
Features
Shorts
Canon (will be linked once I make the list)
Movies mentioned that aren't from 1923:
The Cameraman's Revenge (1912)
Corpus Christi (2019)
Sherlock Jr. (1924) - Watched for the pod in ep 149
Sunset Boulevard (1950)
Shanghai Express (1932)
Thanks for listening !
Go vote for The Shiners HERE2024-02-0250 min
Speaking English181: Shiners Nominations IIILINK TO THE VOTING FORM
We're back this week for the third annual Speaking English Awards nomination show. We talk about the best of the best of what we watched for the pod in 2023 and nominate up to five movies or people for each category. Enjoy !
List of movies eligible for nomination:
Color Out of Space (2019)
A Separation (2011)
Stranger Than Paradise (1984)
The Big City (1963)
Badlands (1973)
Charlie's Angels (2000)
Wuthering Heights (1939)
Nobody Knows (2004)
...2024-01-291h 04
The Sharp Notes with Evan TothDave Wakening from The English Beat and General Public and the Band's Recent ReissuesThere was an exciting time during the early 1980s where there was a true fusion of a few different musical styles which led to a hybrid of rock and reggae in a radio-friendly pop-package that was especially popular in the UK. The English Beat and General Public were two bands at the forefront who captured the ears of that generation. Coincidentally, both groups had two band members in common: Dave Wakeling and Ranking Roger.Earlier this year, BMG reissued General Public’s debut album All the Rage and their second studio album ...2023-11-191h 07
Speaking English169: Speaking English Once AgainMAIL BAG LINK
It seems like each time we take a little hiatus it is for a longer and longer amount of time. No matter. We are back once again with a bit of a wrap-up/update on the last month-and-a-half or so. Just in time for Spooktober, which we love to get into the spirit of.
More stuff to come in the coming weeks and months, but it feels good to make an episode again.
Thanks for listening !2023-10-031h 06
Speaking English165: Back in BusinessMAIL BAG
The Speaking English Pod returns after a bit of a break. This week we cover what we've been up to recently, some stuff we saw in June, movie-watching burnout, and Asteroid City. A full episode, but not too full.
Let us know what you've been watching or reading while we've been gone in the mail bag above and we'll talk about it next week. Would love to hear from you.
Also you can find my YouTube channel here if anyone is interested.2023-07-211h 04
Seattle Colleges International Programs presents... Conversations with!S1E16: Seattle Colleges Conversations with! Seattle Colleges Intensive English Instructor Colleen ComidySend us a textIn this our sixteenth (16th) episode, Seattle Colleges host Evan Franulovich interviews Seattle Colleges Intensive English Instructor Colleen Comidy about her experience here at Seattle Colleges and about how she helps students that want to come here to improve their English. 1:16 - Introducing Colleen!4:51 - Teaching students from all over7:02 - Class time8:21 - Living in Italy, New York and Israel10:58 - Placement tests and levels15:20 - Class materials19:17 - Trivia time!22:21 - Final words of advice2023-05-0325 min
Speaking English152: The Second Annual Speaking English AwardsThis week the only award show that matters takes center stage, as we hand out the coveted Shiners to the most impressive movies we watched for the pod in the year of 2022. Tune in to see who won and join us for a celebration of our favorites.
Thanks for listening and voting to whoever voted for these awards !2023-03-171h 02Seattle Colleges International Programs presents... Conversations with!S1E5: Seattle Colleges Conversations with! Seattle Colleges Intensive English Instructor Brendan ManleySend us a textIn this our fifth episode, Seattle Colleges host Evan Franulovich interviews Seattle Colleges Intensive English instructor Brendan Manley about his role in helping students learn English. 1:17 - Introducing Brendan5:36 - Why Seattle Colleges Intensive English (SCIE)?9:10 - Placement tests12:47 - Reading and levels20:59 - Dolphins and the Trivia Round!Copyright © Seattle Colleges International Programs 2023. All rights reserved. For more information about being an international student at Seattle Colleges, please visit intl.seattlecolleges.eduThe theme music 'Bounce' is...2023-02-1527 min
Speaking English145: The Second Annual Shiners Nominations !VOTE HERE
The Second Annual Speaking English Awards are just around the corner! This week is our nomination show, where we line up the categories and decide who is deserving of winning what. Feel free to participate and vote, as voting is now open !
Thanks for listening !2023-01-271h 14
Speaking English142: New Years Special IIIOh yeah, we're back in business. It's a new year, and with it time to go over the best of what we watched and read in 2022 and set some goals and resolutions for this year along the way. Sorry for missing a week, but we're happy to be back now and ready to take on the new year.
Here is Addie's and Evan's Letterboxd pages, feel free to check them out. And here is Evan's list of 2022 First watches.
Thanks for listening !2023-01-061h 28
Speaking English126: Movie Reports: Back and in TechnicolorOn this edition of Movie Reports, two Technicolor feats from the Mid 20th Century: The Red Shoes (1948) and Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (1953).
Hear what we have to say about them and then check them out for next week's episode
Twitch link if you want to see Evan watch more movies on Sunday-Wednesday nights.
Thanks for listening !2022-09-0755 min
Speaking English120: Our Encounter With The Gray ManWe checked out a new movie this week: The Gray Man, directed by the brothers Russo. Here is what we thought about it. Also opinions on the state of streaming, referencing an Interview the Russo brothers did. Which can be found here
Also mentioned in the episode, if you would like to follow Evan's Twitch channel, that can be found here
Thanks for listening !2022-07-271h 00
Speaking English108: The First Annual Speaking English AwardsWe've got some Shiners to hand out, so wear your finest attire and listen to this episode, recognizing the best of what we watched in 2021.
Check us out on Instagram @speakingenglishpod to get involved.
Thanks for listening !2022-04-2454 min
Speaking English107: 1st Annual Speaking English Awards Nomination ShowWe're doing something wild and new these next two weeks and putting on our own awards show ! Pulling from the movies that we watched for the pod in the 2021 calendar year, we will be handing out awards, similar to those presented at the Oscars. This week we go through each category and nominate up to five people or movies for the awards. Tune in and participate in the voting for next week's awards !
Thanks for listening !2022-04-1852 min
Speaking English90: Book Club 13: October is a State of MindBook Club is back ! And Evan is back in the USA for this one (sorry about another late episode). This week we read The October Country by Ray Bradbury and had a grand ol time breaking it down.
Thanks for listening !2021-12-201h 00
Speaking English87: A Conversational English Two-For-OneWe attempt to take down two birds with one stone this week, as Addie subs out for Grace and Bucket. This episode works as a regular Conversational English episode, plus a little bit about different experiences about film school in Europe and how the big project has been going.
You can find Grace on Instagram @gracebeatty_ and Bucket @bentley319
We are on Instagram @speakingenglishpod and on Patreon at Patreon.com/SpeakingEnglish
Thanks for listening !2021-11-301h 08
Speaking English78: A Great Big Birthday NightmareSorry for the late upload this week! It has been a crazy hectic time for us both and I'm just glad we were able to get the episode in. Part two of Movie Reports, where we watched two Nightmarish movies and had lots to talk about. Nightmare Alley (1947) and A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984).
You can find us on Instagram @speakingenglishpod or on Patreon at Patreon.com/Speakingenglish
Thanks for listening!2021-09-2743 min
Speaking English77: Nightmare ReportsThis week is our second attempt at Movie Reports, an episode type where we each find a movie to watch and then talk about it and present. We each chose Nightmare movies this week, A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) and Nightmare Alley (1947). I want the records to show that this was not planned, and quite a pleasant surprise actually. But it makes for a nightmarish episode 77.
If you like the Pod and would want to support us more you can check out our Patreon page at Patreon.com/speakingenglish . Even if the finances are not feasible we'd...2021-09-1945 min
Speaking English76: Speaking English ... In Prague!This week we watched The Cremator (1969) directed by Juraj Herz. It was a creepy time for all involved. Wanted to watch a Czech movie for Evan's second week in Prague and this is the one we chose.
Check out our Patreon page at Patreon.com/Speakingenglish if you'd like to help support the pod.
Thanks for listening !2021-09-1138 min
Speaking English75: Jacques Tati Is Still a Fun Name To SayIn our first episode from different sides of the Atlantic, we revisited one of the first movies we watched for this podcast, Jacques Tati's 1967 classic Playtime. Some opinions changed and some stayed the same in our first movie revisited. A fun time for all involved.
Thanks for listening !2021-09-0436 min
Speaking English74: The 2021 August Wrap UpWhat we watched and read in this month of August as we are both undergoing big life changes ! Not as many items on the lists this month but the conversation is as good as ever.
Thanks for listening and supporting ! 2021-08-2947 min
Speaking English73: Book Club 11: A Marvelous BreakfastThis month for book club we read Breakfast at Tiffany's, Truman Capote's 1958 novella. Fun opinions are shared and a good time is had.
Check us out on Patreon at Patreon.com/speakingenglish and go listen to The Daily.
Thanks for listening!2021-08-2248 min
Speaking English72: That Elvis Song MovieThis week we watched Edward Yang's 1991 masterpiece, A Brighter Summer Day. Discussion followed, including the pros and cons of crazy-long movies and what its like when bad things happen when you're a kid. A great time for all involved.
Thanks for listening! And if you want to support the pod even more, we have a Patreon page now, give it a look at Patreon.com/speakingenglish
Thanks !2021-08-1454 min
Speaking English71: Rebels and CausesThis week we watched 1955's Rebel Without a Cause, an American classic that neither of us had seen. Here is where we talk about it, and its influence on America, even today. Thanks for listening, and if you want to check out the video version of this episode, it is up for free on our Patreon as a preview of the content that can be found there. Patreon.com/speakingenglish for all of that fun content.
Thanks for Listening!2021-08-0644 min
Speaking English70: July Wrap Up 2021Another month down as we talk about what we watched and read in July 2021.
In other news, we have finally activated a Patreon and have published our first exclusive episode there. For more information and to get involved: https://www.patreon.com/speakingenglish
Thank you for all of the support!2021-08-011h 00
Speaking English69: Book Club 10: Dispatches from VietnamIn a shorter episode for this week, the book club takes on Dispatches by Michael Herr, a firsthand account of the war in Vietnam. Here is where we discuss it.
Apologies for poorer audio quality in this episode the recording conditions were not ideal. Thanks for listening !2021-07-2541 min
Speaking English68: Who Wants To Be a Kajillionaire?This week we watched Kajillionaire (2020) Directed by Miranda July. A fun time for all involved.
Thanks for listening!2021-07-1848 min
Speaking English67: All About Bo BurnhamWe talk about Bo Burnham in this episode, as we watched two of his comedy specials, Inside and Make Happy, as well as a movie he directed, Eighth Grade. A fun time for all involved.
Thanks for listening !2021-07-1047 min
Speaking English66: June Wrap-up 2021What we watched and read in the month of June 2021. This one gets dramatic.
Thanks for listening !
2021-07-031h 07
Speaking English65: Our Favorite Movie of Every Year (2000-2021)We conclude our trilogy of episodes that are like this. Audrey returns once again for 3/3.
Thanks for listening !2021-06-271h 14
Speaking English64: Our Favorite Movie of Every Year (1970-1999)Part 2 of 3 of this series where we pick our favorite movie of every year since 1920. Once again joined by Audrey this week.
Thanks for listening!2021-06-191h 18
Speaking English63: Our Favorite Movie of Every Year (1920-1969)We have undertaken one of our biggest projects yet and we may be in a little bit over our heads for this one, but we are choosing our favorite movie from every year, starting in 1920. Joined by Audrey today, this is part one of a multistage series.
Thanks for listening!2021-06-121h 22
Speaking English62: The Sun Rises on Another Beautiful DayThis week we watched Sunrise (1927), Directed by F. W. Murnau. We had a great time with it.
Thanks for listening!2021-06-0649 min
Speaking English61: May, Wrapped Up with a bow this timeWhat we read and watched in the month of May 2021.
Thanks for listening.2021-05-3052 min
Speaking English60: Mo' Questions Mo' AnswersWe are doing another Q & A because we have lots of fun with them and think they are a really good time. If you have any better ideas send them our way.
Follow the pod on Instagram @speakingenglishpod
and leave a review on Apple Podcasts if you want to support
Thanks for listening !2021-05-2250 min
Speaking English59: Book Club 9: Kurt Vonnegut's FeetBook Club time once again. And this time we read Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut.
Follow the pod on Instagram @speakingenglishpod
thanks for listening !
2021-05-1552 min
Speaking English58: Juliet's SpiritsFor this week we watched Juliet of the Sprits (1965) and this is where we talk about it.2021-05-0943 min
Speaking English57: April Wrap-up, AgainOur second edition of the April Wrap-up, and our 13th wrap-up episode. Join us to see what we watched and read in April of 20212021-05-0159 min
Speaking English56: The Oscars SpecialWe recorded twice this week for the 93rd Annual Academy Awards. First to make predictions, and then to talk about what went wrong.
Here is the link to The Daily, the playlist mentioned at the end of the episode. It may or may not work : https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6BiHnqOBh80NyrRgQ31C8M?si=0883abf13e5348bc2021-04-261h 03
Speaking English55: SchmomadlandWe wrap up our Oscars watches with Nomadland. It was a fun and relaxing time.2021-04-1844 min
By DesignEvan English on the future of DesignVP of Product Design & Research at American Express Evan English is on the frontlines of establishing and maturing Design at the corporate level. Evan believes that Design maturity means having an organizational vision for how design integrates into the various aspects of your business and how the broader organization perceives and embraces design. She encourages design leaders to create ways to measure maturity and evolution and celebrate the progress along the way.Evan on LinkedInNNG Corporate UX Maturity: Stages 1-4InVision Design Maturity ModelBy Design is a show about the process of designing exceptional digital experiences...2021-04-1536 min
Speaking English54: Oscar Nominees Double FeatureWe watched Ma Rainey's Black Bottom and Sound of Metal for the pod this week, in prep for the Academy Awards in a couple of weeks.2021-04-1050 min
Speaking English53: March Wrap-up EpisodeWhat we watched and read in the month of March 2021. As well as some other fun content.2021-04-0459 min
Speaking English52: One Year of Speaking EnglishWe close out the first full year of the Podcast with a Q and A. We also revisited our first episode and talk about how the podcast has grown or stayed the same over this first full year. Check this episode out first if you're new hear, it is a great place to start. 2021-03-291h 03
Speaking English51: Book Club 8: This Bird Has FlownDespite what you may hear in the episode, this is Book Club 8. And we read Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami this week. With special book club guest Aubrie.2021-03-2158 min
Speaking English50: Some Barns Need BurningThis week we watched Burning (2018, Directed by Lee Chang-Dong) as well as read the two short stories it is based on. Here is where we talk about them. Tons of fun, don't miss out.2021-03-1448 min
Speaking English49: February MadnessOur wrap-up of what we read and watched in the month of February 2021. Intro is a little long this time around, the actual wrap up starts at around 17:25 if you get bored. Thanks for listening!2021-03-071h 10
Speaking English48: 2 Movie 2 ReportsWe return to our discussion of Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) and The Florida Project (Sean Baker, 2017), this time from a new angle. Thanks for listening!2021-02-2848 min
Speaking English47: A Report on the Movie and the GuestsThis week we are trying a new thing called Movie Reports. We each watch a movie and present it to the other person, giving thoughts, interpretations, and reactions. It turned out pretty cool. Listen to the episode to find out which movies we actually watched.2021-02-2052 min
Speaking English46: Book Club 7: Don't Look at CupidTitle has no relation to Valentine's Day but rather to the book we read this week, Till We Have Faces by C.S. Lewis. Here are our thoughts on it.2021-02-1345 min
Speaking English45: Lady Vengeance Gets our SympathyWe finish Park Chan-Wook's Vengeance trilogy with 2005's Sympathy for Lady Vengeance in this episode. Other topics include auteur theory and important personal milestones. If you want more of the Vengeance trilogy, check out episodes 15 and 24.2021-02-0650 min
Speaking English44: January Wrap Up EpisodeIn this episode, we talk about what we read and watched in this month of January 2021.2021-01-311h 03
Speaking English43: The Speaking English Bookshelf TourThis week on the pod we take you through our personal bookshelves, talking about organization and some favorite books. A good time for all involved.2021-01-2441 min
Speaking English42: Another Q and A, but about Film School this timeAudrey returns to the podcast and we answer questions. Mostly talking about being in Film School currently, but lots of other fun questions too. 2021-01-1748 min
Speaking English41: Soul and Jazz, Jazz and SoulThis week we watched Soul, a movie about Jazz (kinda). Here is where we talk about it and how it made us feel.2021-01-1048 min
Speaking English40: The New Years Special Extravaganza(THIS IS A GREAT EPISODE TO START WITH IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE PODCAST) We say goodbye to 2020 in style with our longest episode ever ! The best of the best of what we watched in 2020, as well as some goals and opportunities for the next year. Even though we didn't start this podcast at the beginning of the year, this definitely feels like a huge milestone. So thanks for being with us through the journey this year ! : )2021-01-021h 33
Speaking English39: December Wrap-up and also Christmas SpecialRecorded on Christmas Day ! What we watched and read in December, along with some other Christmas-ey content. A good time for one and all.2020-12-271h 03
Speaking English38: 2 RebeccasA double feature of Rebecca movies this week as we watched the Best Picture Hitchcock Classic from 1940 as well as the recent Netflix remake (2020). We have lot's to say on both as our Rebecca Saga comes to a close. We've learned a lot.2020-12-191h 11
Speaking English37: You've Never Seen Citizen Kane ?!?!?!We did not watch Citizen Kane this week. But rather, Mank (2020), Directed by David Fincher. This is where we talk about it. (the audio is a little weird this episode, so apologies. Should be better by next week.)2020-12-1357 min
Speaking English36: November Wrap-up wrapped upThis week we talk about what we read and watched in November, as well as some other fun stuff, including Spotify Wrapped. Don't miss it!2020-12-061h 10
Speaking English35: Book Club 6: It's Rebecca this timeWe read the classic Rebecca, by Daphne du Maurier , and we got some opinions about it. Listen to them here.2020-11-2946 min
Speaking English34: Short Q&A episode for NovemberWe answer some fun questions including Kids tv shows and Movies as candles. Don't miss out, it's even shorter than usual.2020-11-2134 min
Speaking English33: Long Movies and Growing upThis week we watched Yi Yi (2000) directed by Edward Yang. This is where we talk about it, alongside things like growing up and getting old.2020-11-1453 min
Speaking English32: Tokyo TwilightUsually title these episodes something different, but I just really like this title, which is shared by the movie we watched this week. (1957) Directed by Yasujiro Ozu.2020-11-0844 min
Speaking English31: Big October Wrap-up ExtravaganzaThings get spooky as we talk about what we watched and read in the month of October 2020. At time of release this is the longest episode of the podcast, which must mean its the best and you should listen. 2020-10-311h 26
Speaking English30: All the Devil, All the Timethis week we both read and watched The Devil All the Time. Here are our thoughts on it.2020-10-2452 min
Speaking English29: Halloween-y SpecialThis week we are joined once again by Audrey to talk about Horror movies and other Halloween-y topics.2020-10-1752 min
Speaking English28: Spooktober BeginsWe watched The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) for this week. Hear what we have to say about it, and maybe even watch it for yourself.2020-10-1142 min
Speaking English27: September Wrap-upWhat we read and watched in the month of September.2020-10-0457 min
Speaking English26: It's My Birthday and I'm Thinking Of Ending ThingsThat's the name of the movie, I'm not making a declarative statement.2020-09-2758 min
Speaking English25: Book Club 4: The Devil Went Down to MoscowWe read The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov this month. Also discussion about Quarantine movies and best movie trailers.2020-09-201h 04
Speaking English24: Oh Dae-Su's big dayThis week we watched Oldboy (2003) - Park Chan-Wook. Wholesome family friendly movie. Good Talk.2020-09-1246 min
Speaking English23: August Wrap UpWhat we read and watched in the month of August.2020-09-0558 min
Speaking English22: Question and AnswerWe're ending Challenge Month with a Q&A. Questions from friends as well as previous bingo questions. A good time for one and all.2020-08-301h 02
Speaking English21: Challenge Month Rolls OnThis week on Challenge Month: Chef (2014), Notorious (1946), Still Walking (2008), and Wet Hot American Summer (2001)2020-08-2246 min
Speaking English20: Double Feature WeekChallenge Week, but the movies are connected.2020-08-1755 min
Speaking English19: Challenge Month BeginsFor the first week of challenge month, we watched all of Hayao Miyazaki's movies and tier listed them. Here it is.2020-08-091h 24
Speaking English18: July, Wrapped UpWhat we read and watched in the month of July.2020-08-011h 05
Speaking English17: Conversational English 2Joined on the pod by my good friends Haley and Olivia to talk all sorts of stuff.2020-07-2647 min
Speaking English16: Book Club 3: It's All a MetaphorFor Book club this month we read Kafka on the Shore (2002) by Haruki Murakami. It was a wild ride. Other topics on the episode include movies about cities, the 50s, and the Oscars.2020-07-1959 min
Speaking English15: Mr. Vengeance vs The WorldThis week we watched Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance (2002) Directed by Park Chan-wook. It was crazy.2020-07-1243 min
Speaking English14: What's up with June anyway?June Wrap-Up Episode: what we watched and read during the month.2020-07-051h 02
Speaking English13: Challenge Week SpecialWhere were you when the Speaking English Podcast had its first Challenge Week?2020-06-271h 19
Speaking English12: The Book Club Meets AgainThis month we read Eileen (2015) by Ottessa Moshfegh. This episode we talk about it.2020-06-2049 min
Speaking English11: Double Feature!A Ghost Story (2017) - David Lowery (Available on Netflix) and Honey Boy (2019) - Alma Har'el (Available on Amazon Prime).2020-06-1348 min
Speaking English10: Conversational EnglishA real sense of community.2020-06-0652 min
Speaking English9: Time to Wrap-Up MayBooks and movies we read and watched in the month of May 2020. A little bit of other stuff also included.2020-05-3059 min
Speaking English8: Violent EpisodeViolent (2014) -Andrew Huculiak, available to watch on kanopy, and all sorts of other fun stuff.2020-05-2345 min
Speaking English7: The Speaking English Book ClubThe inaugural meeting of the book club. We talk about The Collected Schizophrenias by Esme Weijun Wang as well as other fun stuff. 2020-05-1646 min
Speaking English6: Bingo Bashthe bingo episode2020-05-0946 min
Speaking English5: The April Wrap-Up ExtravaganzaBooks we read and movies we watched in the month of April 20202020-05-031h 11
Speaking English4: Jacques Tati is a Fun Name to SayWe watched PlayTime (1967, available on Kanopy and the Criterion Channel) and this is where we talk about it, along with some other stuff.2020-04-2639 min