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Investing in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamA World-First Collaboration in Global Investment MigrationJoin global leaders in investment migration—Bob Kraft, Dan Wycklendt, Aaron Grau, and Bruno L’ecuyer— in our next episode of the Investing in the American Dream Podcast, as they unpack the future of the EB-5 program and international trends in the post-RIA era. Gain valuable insights into rural visa set-asides, key legislative updates, and project success stories like KAIA, which recently received its first I-526E approval in just six months.IMC: https://investmentmigration.org/IIUSA: https://iiusa.org/FPP: https://www.firstpathway.com/2025-06-1632 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastA World-First Collaboration in Global Investment MigrationJoin global leaders in investment migration—Bob Kraft, Dan Wycklendt, Aaron Grau, and Bruno L’ecuyer— in our next episode of the Investing in the American Dream Podcast, as they unpack the future of the EB-5 program and international trends in the post-RIA era. Gain valuable insights into rural visa set-asides, key legislative updates, and project success stories like KAIA, which recently received its first I-526E approval in just six months.IMC: https://investmentmigration.org/IIUSA: https://iiusa.org/FPP: https://www.firstpathway.com/2025-06-1632 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamExploring U.S.-China Investment and the Future of EB-5: A Conversation with Industry LeadersNEW Episode – Investing in the American Dream Podcast Join us for a powerful new episode featuring Bob Kraft, Chairman and CEO of FirstPathway Partners, and Siva Yam, President of the U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce, as they explore the evolving relationship between the United States and China—and what it means for global investors.In this episode, you'll learn:How Chinese investment in the U.S. has transformed over the past two decadesThe economic and political factors influencing cross-border capital flowThe pivotal role of immigration in international investment strategyHow the EB-5 Immigrant Investor Program continues to open...2025-04-1529 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastExploring U.S.-China Investment and the Future of EB-5: A Conversation with Industry LeadersNEW Episode – Investing in the American Dream Podcast Join us for a powerful new episode featuring Bob Kraft, Chairman and CEO of FirstPathway Partners, and Siva Yam, President of the U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce, as they explore the evolving relationship between the United States and China—and what it means for global investors.In this episode, you'll learn:How Chinese investment in the U.S. has transformed over the past two decadesThe economic and political factors influencing cross-border capital flowThe pivotal role of immigration in international investment strategyHow the EB-5 Immigrant Inve...2025-04-1529 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American Dream2025 EB-5 Policy DynamicsThe latest episode of the Investing in the American Dream Podcast features an in-depth discussion with FPP’s Chairman & CEO Bob Kraft and VP of Global Business Development Manuel Ortiz on U.S. immigration policy and its impact on EB-5. They explore how the Trump administration’s priorities, including border security and economic growth, influence legal immigration pathways like the EB-5 program.This episode covers key topics such as the current administration’s approach to legal immigration, the role of border security in investor visa programs, and why EB-5 remains a strong option for those seeking permanent residency in the...2025-02-2643 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamFPP's 2024 EB-5 Year in Review with Bernie Wolfsdorf!As we look back on the transformative year of 2024, FPP is excited to present a special episode of our Investing in the American Dream podcast – our 2024 EB-5 Year in Review. This episode features an in-depth conversation with Bernie Wolfsdorf, Managing Partner at WR Immigration, and Manuel Ortiz, FPP's VP of Global Business Development.With decades of experience navigating the complexities of the EB-5 program, Bernie is widely regarded as one of the foremost experts in the field. His expertise, combined with Manuel's global perspective, makes for an insightful discussion on the future of EB-5 investment.In th...2025-02-0447 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastFPP's 2024 EB-5 Year in Review with Bernie Wolfsdorf!As we look back on the transformative year of 2024, FPP is excited to present a special episode of our Investing in the American Dream podcast – our 2024 EB-5 Year in Review. This episode features an in-depth conversation with Bernie Wolfsdorf, Managing Partner at WR Immigration, and Manuel Ortiz, FPP's VP of Global Business Development.With decades of experience navigating the complexities of the EB-5 program, Bernie is widely regarded as one of the foremost experts in the field. His expertise, combined with Manuel's global perspective, makes for an insightful discussion on the future of EB-5 investment.In...2025-02-0447 minThe Trust Ampersand PodcastThe Trust Ampersand PodcastEB-5 Programs: Dollars & DreamsRobert Kraft, CEO and Chairman of FirstPathway Partners, joins Ampersand Chief Strategy Officer Reid Thomas to discuss the EB-5 space. Together they cover how EB-5 programs provide significant contributions to the American Economy, and the management of these funds. 2024-06-0638 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamKaia by Outdoor CitizenThis episode highlights FPP’s newest rural, senior loan secured, EB-5 investment opportunity: Kaia by Outdoor Citizen.Located in the breathtaking clay canyons of Kanab, Utah, Kaia offers 40 private dwellings with stunning desert views, catering to luxury travelers seeking an authentic connection with nature and well-being.Besides the property features, we explore the numerous EB-5 benefits of the Kaia project, including its Rural designation, a reduced minimum investment amount of $800,000, and more.Join Manuel Ortiz, FPP's Vice President of Global Business Development, and Peter Helland, your host and Marketing Manager, as they discuss key aspects of Kaia and ho...2024-06-0419 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastKaia by Outdoor CitizenThis episode highlights FPP’s newest rural, senior loan secured, EB-5 investment opportunity: Kaia by Outdoor Citizen.Located in the breathtaking clay canyons of Kanab, Utah, Kaia offers 40 private dwellings with stunning desert views, catering to luxury travelers seeking an authentic connection with nature and well-being.Besides the property features, we explore the numerous EB-5 benefits of the Kaia project, including its Rural designation, a reduced minimum investment amount of $800,000, and more.Join Manuel Ortiz, FPP's Vice President of Global Business Development, and Peter Helland, your host and Marketing Manager, as th...2024-06-0419 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamInsights in the EB-5 Investment Landscape with Saul EwingIn our latest episode of the Investing in the American Dream podcast, where we discuss the basics and the necessary legal requirements of EB-5. We have special guests Ronnie Fieldstone and Rohit Kapuria from Saul Ewing LLP, a full-service, national law firm with more than 400 attorneys and a team of top-notch business professionals, all working together to deliver practical, proactive advice and excellent client service.Ronnie Fieldstone and Rohit Kapuria have extensive expertise in the EB-5 industry, resulting in a track record of handling hundreds of EB-5 projects, and have helped raise billions of dollars. Their insights shed...2024-03-1242 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamInsights in the EB-5 Investment Landscape with Saul EwingIn our latest episode of the Investing in the American Dream podcast, where we discuss the basics and the necessary legal requirements of EB-5. We have special guests Ronnie Fieldstone and Rohit Kapuria from Saul Ewing LLP, a full-service, national law firm with more than 400 attorneys and a team of top-notch business professionals, all working together to deliver practical, proactive advice and excellent client service.Ronnie Fieldstone and Rohit Kapuria have extensive expertise in the EB-5 industry, resulting in a track record of handling hundreds of EB-5 projects, and have helped raise billions of dollars. Their insights shed light on...2024-03-1242 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream Podcast2023 EB-5 Year in ReviewAs we reflect on the achievements and challenges of the past year, we're thrilled to bring you a special episode of our 'Investing in the American Dream' podcast – the 2023 EB-5 Year in Review. This insightful discussion features two esteemed guests, Manuel Ortiz, VP of Global Business Development at FPP, and Mitch Wexler, Managing Partner at Fragomen's Southern California offices.Manuel Ortiz, with over two decades of experience in global finance, has not only led award-winning investor relations teams but has also directed capital raises exceeding $500 million on a global scale. His commitment to extending EB-5 services to un...2024-01-0230 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American Dream2023 EB-5 Year in ReviewAs we reflect on the achievements and challenges of the past year, we're thrilled to bring you a special episode of our 'Investing in the American Dream' podcast – the 2023 EB-5 Year in Review. This insightful discussion features two esteemed guests, Manuel Ortiz, VP of Global Business Development at FPP, and Mitch Wexler, Managing Partner at Fragomen's Southern California offices.Manuel Ortiz, with over two decades of experience in global finance, has not only led award-winning investor relations teams but has also directed capital raises exceeding $500 million on a global scale. His commitment to extending EB-5 services to underserved countries earned hi...2024-01-0230 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.20_Oleg Zviagin of Proxy Financial on Complex Immigration Financial Planning StrategiesOn today’s episode of Investing in the American Dream podcast, we have featured guests Manuel Ortiz VP of Global Business Development at FPP - and Oleg Zviagin, Director of Financial Planning at Proxy Financial. Oleg specializes in complex financial planning strategies including multi-generational planning, trusts & estate, employee stock options/restricted stock, insurance, college, and retirement planning. Oleg has spent 9 years working with high-net worth individuals across the globe. In this part of the series, Oleg will be going more in detail on the pre & post immigration planning that investors should consider and the personalized se...2023-09-1434 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.20_Oleg Zviagin of Proxy Financial on Complex Immigration Financial Planning StrategiesOn today’s episode of Investing in the American Dream podcast, we have featured guests Manuel Ortiz VP of Global Business Development at FPP - and Oleg Zviagin, Director of Financial Planning at Proxy Financial. Oleg specializes in complex financial planning strategies including multi-generational planning, trusts & estate, employee stock options/restricted stock, insurance, college, and retirement planning. Oleg has spent 9 years working with high-net worth individuals across the globe. In this part of the series, Oleg will be going more in detail on the pre & post immigration planning that investors should consider and the personalized services av...2023-09-1434 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.19_Bob Kraft IIUSA Tenure and PAC InvolvementOn this episode, Bob Kraft provided his thoughts on his past role with IIUSA,  his current involvement as President Emeritus, and his new role in the Political Action Committee.2023-09-0624 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.18_Bryan Caulkins and Manuel Ortiz on Financial Planning for the (pre/post) Immigration ProcessOn this episode we had featured guests Manuel Ortiz VP of Global Business Development at FPP who leads our global efforts bringing EB-5 services and educational resources to underserved countries around the globe - and Bryan Caulkins, co-founder of Proxy Financial. This is a unique partnership between two people that really understand what it takes to assist in immigration planning. After 10 years of working on Wall Street,  and having a unique bi-cultural background – Bryan gained the desire to expand his expertise into international wealth management. Together with his partner, Bryan founded the Proxy Financial group in 2017 to serv...2023-08-2343 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.18_Bryan Caulkins and Manuel Ortiz on Financial Planning for the (pre/post) Immigration ProcessOn this episode we had featured guests Manuel Ortiz VP of Global Business Development at FPP who leads our global efforts bringing EB-5 services and educational resources to underserved countries around the globe - and Bryan Caulkins, co-founder of Proxy Financial. This is a unique partnership between two people that really understand what it takes to assist in immigration planning. After 10 years of working on Wall Street,  and having a unique bi-cultural background – Bryan gained the desire to expand his expertise into international wealth management. Together with his partner, Bryan founded the Proxy Financial group in 2017 to serve as fiduciaries for...2023-08-2343 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.17_Manuel Ortiz on the EB-5 Program, Projections, and Project Due DiligenceDuring this episode Manuel Ortiz , VP of Global Business Development at FirstPathway Partners, shares his personal experience and outlook on the EB-5 program, while touching on the benefits of concurrent filing for adjustment of status pertaining to foreign national who are already in the United States on a non-resident visa. Manuel also highlights how best to conduct EB-5 project due diligence. If you would like more information or would like to speak with Manuel directly, he can be reached at mortiz@firstpathway.com.2023-03-0130 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.17_Manuel Ortiz on the EB-5 Program, Projections, and Project Due DiligenceDuring this episode Manuel Ortiz , VP of Global Business Development at FirstPathway Partners, shares his personal experience and outlook on the EB-5 program, while touching on the benefits of concurrent filing for adjustment of status pertaining to foreign national who are already in the United States on a non-resident visa. Manuel also highlights how best to conduct EB-5 project due diligence.2023-03-0130 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.16_FirstPathway Partners Appoints Dan Wycklendt as PresidentDuring this episode, FPP President, Dan Wycklendt, and CEO, Bob Kraft, sit down with Marketing Director, Jessica Melka, to discuss Mr. Wycklendt's distinguished appointment, the direction of the EB-5 visa program, and the bright future of the company. In addition, they also examine the rich history of FirstPathway Partners and what has led to the success of the company for the past 15 years. You can read the official press release here. Mr. Wycklendt has been with FirstPathway Partners since its formation in 2008 and has over 10 years of senior management experience, including business development, strategic financial planning, capital...2022-12-2123 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.16_FirstPathway Partners Appoints Dan Wycklendt as PresidentDuring this episode, FPP President, Dan Wycklendt, and CEO, Bob Kraft, sit down with Marketing Director, Jessica Melka, to discuss Mr. Wycklendt's distinguished appointment, the direction of the EB-5 visa program, and the bright future of the company. In addition, they also examine the rich history of FirstPathway Partners and what has led to the success of the company for the past 15 years. You can read the official press release here. Mr. Wycklendt has been with FirstPathway Partners since its formation in 2008 and has over 10 years of senior management experience, including business development, strategic financial planning, capital structuring...2022-12-2123 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.15_Bruna Canto and Immigration Attorney Tadeu Ferreira Discuss EB-5 U.S. Visa Option for Students and FamiliesFeatured guests, Bruna Canto Managing Director of Latin America for FPP, and U.S. Immigration Attorney Tadeu Ferreira who is Managing Partner at Leaf Law – are joined by hosts Martijn Van de Veen of ICEF (International Consultants for Education and Foreign Students) and Craig Riggs, as they discuss visa options in the U.S. for international students and their families after graduation.2022-09-2916 minICEF PodcastICEF PodcastSep '22 • US visa options for students and their familiesEpisode NotesNews & Developments:Affordability a rising factor in international students’ choice of destinationWestern Australia introduces new incentive scheme for agentsMain topic:Visa options in the US for international students and their familiesWith Bruna Canto, Managing Director Latin America, FirstPathway PartnersAndTadeu Ferreira, Partner, LeafLawSponsor:FirstPathway PartnersKeys to the Market:Kuwait 2022-09-2729 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.14_Immigration Attorney Ed Beshara Discusses Cost Efficiency of EB-5 VisaDuring this episode, Mr. Beshara shares his thoughts on how the EB-5 Visa Program compares to alternative visa programs, from its cost efficiency and overall benefits – to the process of immigrating to the United States. Mr. Beshara also provides his thoughts on past and current EB5 trends, his outlook on the future of EB5, and how he has helped investors choose the right Visa program for them.  Mr. Beshara has been exclusively practicing U.S. Immigration Law and offering immigration guidance and solutions since 1983. Based out of Orlando, Florida, he has represented many clients worldwide regarding their business, and family U.S...2022-09-2131 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.13_IIUSA President Bob Kraft Discusses USCIS Settlement Agreement with Regional Centers and EB-5 StakeholdersWe are excited to share some great news with EB-5 Investors and Regional Centers! USCIS has entered into a Settlement Agreement to resolve litigation disputes with EB-5 stakeholders and previously approved regional centers.  In this episode, we talked to Bob Kraft, President of IIUSA, to discuss a historic settlement agreement between IIUSA and USCIS that protects EB-5 investors while re-authorizing previously approved regional centers. In this podcast, we explore what initially led to this proceeding, the details of the settlement, and what this means for the future of the EB-5 visa program. We also examine the unprecedented open line of c...2022-08-2621 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.12_TALUS, Ultra-Luxury EB-5 Investment OpportunityOn this episode of Investing in the American Dream podcast featured guest Jeff Yamaguchi, Vice President of Real Estate with the Robert Green Company, discusses the new EB-5 investment opportunity, TALUS at the SilverRock resort located in the Coachella Valley in La Quinta California.  In this episode, we discuss project Location, Need/Demand, Construction Status, FPP's Partnership with the Developer, and why this project is perfect for EB-5 Investors. Contact: Jeff@taluslaquinta.com | Cell: +1 702-510-82312022-08-1129 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.11_Sonja Clarke Details her Recent Trip to the United States and Highlights the Benefits of an EB-5 Visa InvestmentFirst Pathways Partners’ Regional Director of South Africa, Sonja Clarke journeyed to the United States, specifically to our headquarters in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this past January where she met IIUSA President and FirstPathway’s CEO Bob Kraft. During her visit, Sonja saw firsthand many of FPP’s completed EB-5 projects in Milwaukee including the BMO Harris Financial center, Aloft, and Marriot hotels, as well as the site of the Tempo by Hilton, FirstPathways Partners current project. Sonja enjoyed her stay in Milwaukee at the Kimpton Journeyman Hotel, which is another past project of FirstPathway Partners.2022-01-2812 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.11_Sonja Clarke Details her Recent Trip to the United States and Highlights the Benefits of an EB-5 Visa InvestmentFirst Pathways Partners’ Regional Director of South Africa, Sonja Clarke journeyed to the United States, specifically to our headquarters in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this past January where she met IIUSA President and FirstPathway’s CEO Bob Kraft. During her visit, Sonja saw firsthand many of FPP’s completed EB-5 projects in Milwaukee including the BMO Harris Financial center, Aloft, and Marriot hotels, as well as the site of the Tempo by Hilton, FirstPathways Partners current project. Sonja enjoyed her stay in Milwaukee at the Kimpton Journeyman Hotel, which is another past project of FirstPathway Partners.2022-01-2812 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.10_Sonja Clarke Talks about the Recent Changes to South African Tax LegislationOn March 1st, 2021 the changes to South African financial immigration tax laws prevented South African's from withdrawing retirement funds for a period of three years. Join us as we continue to address all of your questions and concerns around exiting...2021-03-3007 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.9_Bruna Canto Shares her EB-5 Knowledge and Personal Experience Immigrating to the United StatesFirstPathway Partners continues to solidify its presence in Latin America by welcoming Bruna Canto as Managing Director. Born in Brazil, Bruna is fluent in English, Portuguese, and Spanish. Bruna holds dual citizenship in both the United States and Brazil, as she is an immigrant herself, and therefore shares paramount similitude to the objectives of her clients. 2021-02-1906 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.9_Bruna Canto Shares her EB-5 Knowledge and Personal Experience Immigrating to the United StatesFirstPathway Partners continues to solidify its presence in Latin America by welcoming Bruna Canto as Managing Director. Born in Brazil, Bruna is fluent in English, Portuguese, and Spanish. Bruna holds dual citizenship in both the United States and...2021-02-1906 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.8_ Bob Kraft Shares Positive Insight on the Decoupling of the EB-5 Program from the OmnibusEB-5 Program Decoupled from the Omnibus - Why this is an opportunity rather than a challenge as presented by Bob Kraft, IIUSA President, and FirstPathway Partners CEO.2021-02-1118 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.8_ Bob Kraft Shares Positive Insight on the Decoupling of the EB-5 Program from the OmnibusEB-5 Program Decoupled from the Omnibus - Why this is an opportunity rather than a challenge as presented by Bob Kraft, IIUSA President, and FirstPathway Partners CEO.2021-02-1118 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.7_Immigration 101 with FirstPathway Partners, Dan Wycklendt & Gareth CliffThe idea of emigrating comes with many questions. Thankfully, EB-5 expert Dan Wycklendt from FirstPathway Partners has some of your burning questions covered in this interview with Gareth Cliff. FirstPathway Partners helps foreign investors become United States Citizens through the Department of Homeland Security Immigrant Investor (EB-5) program. Dan eloquently discusses your options for emigration to the United States through investment here.2020-10-1614 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.7_Immigration 101 with FirstPathway Partners, Dan Wycklendt & Gareth CliffThe idea of emigrating comes with many questions. Thankfully, EB-5 expert Dan Wycklendt from FirstPathway Partners has some of your burning questions covered in this interview with Gareth Cliff. FirstPathway Partners helps foreign investors become...2020-10-1614 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.6_Fully Redeemed Investor, Asif Chhipa Shares his U.S. Immigration Journey and Insight on the EB-5 ProgramNewly appointed Managing Director at FirstPathway Partners, Asif Chhipa whose territories cover India and the Middle East, shares his U.S. immigration journey and insight on the EB-5 program process. With over 13 years of experience in business development and investor relations, promoting citizenship by investment programs such as the EB-5 Regional Center Program, Asif is well versed in the EB-5 industry as both an agent, and as a fully-redeemed EB-5 investor himself.  To learn more, or contact Asif Chhipa, you can email him directly at achhipa@firstpathway.com 2020-09-1714 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.6_Fully Redeemed Investor, Asif Chhipa Shares his U.S. Immigration Journey and Insight on the EB-5 ProgramNewly appointed Managing Director at FirstPathway Partners, Asif Chhipa whose territories cover India and the Middle East, shares his U.S. immigration journey and insight on the EB-5 program process. With over 13 years of experience in business...2020-09-1714 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.5_Expedited Approvals from USCIS with Jinhee Wilde and Jennifer ShererOn today’s podcast, we welcome Jinhee Wilde the Founding Partner of WA Law Group, LLC. Jinhee lectures internationally on academic panels and at large industry conferences and on the topic of EB-5 so we are extraordinarily lucky to have her on the...2020-08-0530 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.4_Impact of COVID-19 on Global Migration with Ramin AsgardRamin Asgard, VP of Global Business Development shares his thoughts on the impact COVID-19 has had on global migration.2020-05-0527 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.3_Bob Kraft Addresses Minimum Investment Rumors and COVID-19 ReliefBob Kraft addresses the $450,000 minimum with derivative relief rumors, explains what is actually happening in Congress at the present, and shares his insight for an EB-5 future post-COVID-19.2020-04-2123 minInvesting in the American Dream PodcastInvesting in the American Dream PodcastEp.2_Jennifer Sherer Discusses Changes to Form I-526 Processing OrderThe U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) recently announced a change to the form I-526 processing order from a first-in, first-out basis. Jennifer Sherer, Senior VP FirstPathway Partners explains what this change means and who is impacted. You can learn more online at www.firstpathway.com2020-02-1011 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.2_Jennifer Sherer Discusses Changes to Form I-526 Processing OrderThe U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) recently announced a change to the form I-526 processing order from a first-in, first-out basis. Jennifer Sherer, Senior VP FirstPathway Partners explains what this change means and who is impacted. You can learn more online at www.firstpathway.com2020-02-1011 minInvesting in the American DreamInvesting in the American DreamEp.1_Featuring Immigration Industry Leader Bob KraftBob Kraft shares his experience and insight on various immigration through investment programs2020-01-2913 min