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The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
214: The Final Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’re wrapping up production of The First 40 Miles with today’s final episode. We’ll share some of our ideas for podcasts we’d love to see started, talk a little about what it’s been like to share our backpacking adventures with ya’ll, then wrap up with a little trail wisdom that brings it all full circle.
2018-12-18
42 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
213: Health Benefits of Backpacking
Today on the First 40 Miles, if you haven’t figured it out by experience, then we’ll give you one more huge reason to begin backpacking…the health benefits! The list of health benefits ishuge! Then our SUMMIT Gear Review today is a 22 pound piece of gear…but hear us out…it’s 100% backpackable and incredibly fun!
2018-12-11
25 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
212: PLAY: Games on the Trail
Today on the First 40 Miles, who says you can’t have type one fun and type two fun on a backpacking trip? Today’s episode explores games on the trail and how to make memories without bringing Monopoly. You’ll learn 5 super fast, super fun games that you can play on your next wilderness backpacking adventure or use to break the ice at your next board meeting. Then, we’ll review a love it or hate it nano game that, for mere grams, will earn its spot in your pack.
2018-12-04
24 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
211: Gear That Lasts the Miles
Today on the First 40 Miles, we love our listeners! And we love hearing their stories! Then, even if you never plan to do a thru hike, you can still scam some of their best gear hacks and incorporate them into your next overnighter. Next, a gear review that will outfit you in the toughest clothes on the planet. And a hack that as easy as sticking a piece of tape to a tent pole.
2018-11-27
22 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
210: Battle of the Utensil
Today on the First 40 Miles, maybe you want to eat like royalty on the trail—but you don’t need a 15 piece place setting to make that happen. What does it take to shovel food from your cook pot to your mouth? Then we’ll talk about our top 5 favorite post trip meals. Then, what are our recommendations for backpacking gear that can go seamlessly from trail to off-trail lunchbox? And we’ll wrap things up with a quote from our favorite Dutch Post-Impressionist painter.
2018-11-20
21 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
209: Hidden Messages in Your Gear
Today on the First 40 Miles, have you ever given much thought to the names that companies give gear? The name of your pack or your tent isn’t just some random name they pulled out of a hat. Next, today’s top 5 list is a whole pile of hacks I picked up on my recent backpacking trip. Then, a little SteriPEN that is a backpackers dream! And a quick hack that has been on every single one of our backpacking trips.
2018-11-13
27 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
208: HEAVY: When You Can’t Carry the Load
Today on the First 40 Miles, we've heard people say “I’d love to go backpacking like I did when I was younger, but I just can’t carry the load.” Are their backpacking days truly over? Then, what do you do when a trail mate is injured, sick or fatigued and can’t carry the load. For the SUMMIT Gear Review, something that will change the way you think of transporting your gear. And we’ll teach you how native peoples transported goods using a few sticks.
2018-11-06
32 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
207: Scary Stuff
Today on The First 40 Miles, we’ve dredged up as many scary things as we can for this Halloween episode. Cougar attacks, mysterious items in hiker boxes, dead cats and the scariest thing of all—hiker stink. Then we’ll wrap up today’s episode with a quote from a zombie. Actually it’s just a quote from someone’s posthumously published journal. They’re dead, but they’re alive! (But they’re dead.)
2018-10-30
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
206: Backpacking Dinner Challenge
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’ve dumped out our box of random backpacking food, affectionately labeled, our “Bucket o’ Calories”, and will go head to head today as Josh and I battle it out, civilly, for the Backpacking Dinner Challenge. Can we each create a unique meal with just the pile of ingredients in front of us? We’ll find out. Then we’ll eat dinner.
2018-10-23
15 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
205: Steve’s Trip Report
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’re checking in with our friend Steve, who completed a thru hike of the Oregon section of the Pacific Crest Trail this summer. And we’ll throw in a backpack hack and some trail wisdom, just for funsies.
2018-10-16
21 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
204: So, How Was Your Hike?
Today on the First 40 Miles, maybe you’ve posted a few pics of your backpacking trip on social media, and now everyone is asking you “So…How was your trip?” What’s the best way to respond? Then we have a listener story from Mason who let his adventures lead to creating a business that helps others experience adventure. Then we’ll share a hack that may just awaken you to a possible feature on your oven or toaster oven.
2018-10-09
22 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
203: Pardon Our Dust
Today on the First 40 Miles, all of our backpacking gear is in moving boxes, sitting in the barn, waiting for us to unpack them! We’re keeping the podcast going through our move, and we couldn’t have done it without a few of our fabulous listeners who will be contributing to the show today.
2018-10-02
16 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
202: The Slow, Methodical Accumulation of Gear
Today on the First 40 Miles, so you’re convinced! Backpacking is your new thing and you’re headed out to buy the latest and best of everything from the packing list. Wait! We’ll share a few reasons to slow down before you buy. Then we’ve got a 4-in-1 piece of gear that will keep you warm and protected from the elements. For today’s hack, a simple paradigm shift that will give you the most psychological bang for your buck when it comes to using your stove.
2018-09-25
24 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
201: Cowboy Camping
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’ll talk about cowboy camping and why we tried it. Then a story from a listener about how she transitioned from car camping to backpacking. Today’s hack is a great way to repurpose an old towel, and we’ll wrap up with a little trail wisdom from someone who knew the answer to life’s question!
2018-09-18
27 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
200: A Week on the Pacific Crest Trail
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’re live on the Pacific Crest Trail!
2018-09-11
15 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
199: REFLECTIONS: The Four Year Anniversary of Our First Backpacking Trip Together
Today on the First 40 Miles, we get a little nostalgic whenever September rolls around. This week marks the 4 year anniversary of our first 40 miles—the trip Josh and I took together with friends around Mt. Hood. And even though we’ve been backpacking for a few years, there are still things that take us by surprise. Next, for today’s SUMMIT Gear Review, a headlamp that doubles as a flashlight and triples as a stand up torch. Then we’ll share a hack that will make your next trip to the bathroom rock. And we’ll leave you with a little trail...
2018-09-04
31 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
198: Rewired Backpacking Brain
Today on the First 40 Miles, wilderness backpacking has the power to rewire your brain—and we’ll share the top 5 ways it’s changed us. Then, an epic way to stay clean while backpacking. Next a listener shares her one pound solution for oil painting on the trail. And we'll wrap up with a little trail wisdom from our good friend on the trail, John Muir.
2018-08-28
27 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
197: Anxiety on the Trail
Today on the First 40 Miles, when hiking or backpacking, our whole goal is to move forward, otherwise we’d just set up our tent in the parking lot. But what do you do when anxiety stops your progress? We have some tools that will help. Then we’ll share a hack that will cut your tent weight almost in half. Then we’ll wrap up the show with a quote that revives fire from the ashes.
2018-08-21
25 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
196: Lightning Safety
Today on the First 40 Miles, I was wondering what today’s episode should be about… and then it struck me. Today we’ll chat about lightning safety. Nothing shocking. We promise to conduct ourselves appropriately. Then ya’ll get to hear a little story from Steve about his friend’s top secret backpacking spot. Next, we’ll test some backpacking energy bars and wrap it up with a great resource from National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS) on everything you ever wanted to know about backcountry lightning safety.
2018-08-14
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
195: A LONG HIKE: Prepping for a Weeklong Trip
Today on the First 40 Miles, this week we’ll talk about an upcoming weeklong trip and what we’re doing to prepare. Then, if you’ve got an itch to hit the trail, but you have no gear, we’ll hook you up with a company who can supply the gear for your first trip. For today’s Backpack Hack for the Week, Josh picked the perfect app for our upcoming backpacking adventure. And we’ll share a little trail wisdom from someone who didn’t do anything halfway.
2018-08-07
31 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
194: The Womens’ Advantage
Today on the First 40 Miles, if you think that men have the natural advantage on the trail, think again. Then for the Summit Gear Review, an STP device that levels the playing field when it comes to using the bathroom. Next, our kids’ favorite go-to site for looking up hiking and backpacking trails. And we’ll wrap up the show with a little trail wisdom from the American Government.
2018-07-31
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
193: The First Step
Today on the First 40 Miles, we love getting audio recordings from our listeners—and today we have one from a new backpacker who figured out his own way of doing things. Then, on the SUMMIT Gear Review, a titanium tool inspired by a Japanese gardening knife. Next, a hammock hack that will turn any blanket or sleeping bag into an underquilt. And we’ll wrap it up with a little trail wisdom from the third best-selling poet of all time—right behind Shakespeare and Laozi.
2018-07-24
27 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
192: Getting Back to Basics
Today on the First 40 Miles, sometimes life gets out of control—and when that happens, it’s time to get back to basics. We’ll talk a little about how to simplify your trip. Then, the Top 5 ways that backpacking can make you more effective, more productive, and less stressed. Next, if you’ve always wondered how Native Americans hung their laundry to dry before clothespins were invented, we’ve got something you might be interested in. Then we’ll share a simple, one ingredient backpack hack for your next trip.
2018-07-17
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
191: Micro Improvements
Today on the First 40 Miles, how would you do things differently next time? Today we’re talking micro improvements. Then on our Top 5 List, we’ll share why we prioritize backpacking. If you’re looking for a way to bring a game and lighten your load, we have a fun option for you. And, a hack that will make you rethink toilet paper.
2018-07-10
26 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
190: COLD + HUNGRY: The Stoveless Cooking Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, what you may have thought of as an essential piece of backpacking gear isn't as indispensable as you think. Today, we’re going stoveless, and we’ll share some delicious ways to ditch the stove for your next trip. Then we’ll taste test a whole food, energy bar that has some sneaky vegetables added. And we’ll share a thru hiker’s go to container for soaking their meals.
2018-07-03
20 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
189: What is Real?
Today on the First 40 Miles, what is real? Social media does a pretty bang-up job of convincing us that everything that’s posted is real, but we’re smart enough to know better. Today, we’ll call their bluff and prove that being outdoors is about as real as it gets. Then we’ll review a headlamp that uses a unique swipe gesture to boldly illuminate your path. Today’s hack is a cheap, easy way to store and access your ten essentials.
2018-06-26
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
188: Wise Words from a Old Mountain Goat
Today on the First 40 Miles, are you over 50, 60, 70 and wondering if it’s too late to begin backpacking? It’s never too late. We’ll share some wise words from an old mountain goat. Then, on the SUMMIT Gear Review, an unassuming flashlight that packs a ton of power, versatility and technology into 23 little grams. And we’ll share an easy way to cut your trash in half—mathematically.
2018-06-19
31 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
187: How Would You Describe Your First Backpacking Trip?
Today on the First 40 Miles, still wondering what your first backpacking trip will be like? We think we can boil it down to five words. Then, we’ve found a solar charger that will not only power your electronics, but also rolls up to the size of a Payday candy bar. And a hack for all you hammock hangers out there—sorry ground dwellers.
2018-06-12
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
186: TRAILS: A Little Light Trail Maintenance
Today on the First 40 Miles, I used to believe that trails just existed and that they were just the well-worn footpaths created by thousands of people walking those same miles over and over. Nope. Trails are made and maintained. Today we’ll talk about some things you can do to help. Then, if you’ve always wanted to pack a chainsaw for clearing fallen trees on the trail, but just didn’t have enough room in your pack…we have a solution. And we’ll share a hack that will upcycle your favorite old cotton t-shirt and give it some trail time.
2018-06-05
30 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
185: Weekend with Friends
Today on the First 40 Miles, within 24 hours we hiked a cumulative 25 miles, ate about 15 pounds of food, built three teepees and breathed in more campfire smoke than the Surgeon General would recommend. Today you’ll hear a trip report from our adventure with our friends who have never been backpacking before. And we’ll share a hack for DIY soap sheets.
2018-05-29
30 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
184: Camp Chores
Today on the First 40 Miles, after a long, glorious day of hiking, you arrive into camp and you can relax. Almost. We’ll share a few things you’ll need to do first that will make it so you can truly kick back. Then, we discovered a tool that not only helps with minor trail clearing. but also earns it’s weight when it comes time to build a long-burning campfire. For today’s hack, not all putts drop—and when they don’t, you need to make sure you clean them up. We’ll show you how.
2018-05-22
31 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
183: Taking Some Friends Along
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’re planning a family backpacking trip with another family who hasn’t been backpacking before. What can we do to give them a great introduction to the wilderness? Then we’ll share a listener story about his introduction to the wild woods. For Today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, a ten-card, 17-gram microgame that will provide minutes of fun on your next backpacking trip.
2018-05-15
22 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
182: Tinkering with Tarps
Today on the First 40 Miles, what do you get when you mix the ancient Japanese art of paper folding with a huge sheet of silnylon? Tarpigami. We’ll talk tarps today and learn about some of the risks and rewards of changing up your shelter. Then, an ultralight shoe that fits in on the trail, in the creek or just bumming around camp. For Today’s Hack, an idiot-proof tarp shelter that you, yes, you can put up in seconds, plus a lovely little poem to go with it.
2018-05-08
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
181: Raising the Next Generation of Hikers and Backpackers
Today on the First 40 Miles, it’s too hard. I’m too tired. I just can’t. Is resilience a lost skill? And how can we pass it on to the next generation? On today’s Top 5 List we’ll talk about how to raise the next generation of strong hikers and backpackers. Then, if you’re looking for a way to introduce backpacking to new readers, we have the perfect book for you. For today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, an instant food option that can fill a tortilla and feed a crowd.
2018-05-01
36 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
180: Do You Know What You Signed Up For?
Today on the First 40 Miles, are you sure you want to go backpacking? Do you know what you’re signing up for? We’ll wisen you up a little. On today’s Top 5 List, learn what not to do on your first backpacking trip. And if you’re looking for a way to compress your gear, here's a stashable water bottle option. For the Backpack Hack of the Week, learn where to borrow backpacking gear before you buy.
2018-04-24
32 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
179: Spring Break at the Metolius River
Today on the First 40 Miles, we report on our spring break adventure to the Metolius River. Then, we'll review an ultralight headlamp from UCO. Today's Backpack Hack of the Week will give you a good reason to knock marshmallows off your packing list. And we'll wrap up the show with some wisdom from a man who was no dummy.
2018-04-17
31 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
178: Test of Time
Today on the First 40 Miles, some gear is fun for just a few trips, but other gear stands the test of time. We’re going back into The First 40 Miles Archives, to find out which gear made the final cut. Then, we’ll dive into the five different types of trails and how to navigate them. The rest of the show is just fun and games, and we’ll wrap it all up with a quote from James Fenimore Cooper.
2018-04-10
25 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
177: BEGINNERS: One Step at a Time
Today on the First 40 Miles, if you’re a beginner backpacker, you are on the threshold of one of the most thrilling adventures of your life. We’ll help you navigate this new adventure with confidence. For today’s SUMMIT Gear Review, a monthly subscription service that will keep you excited about backpacking all year long. Today’s hack will help you repurpose a Pringles can. And we’ll leave you with some Trail Wisdom from our favorite mountain goat.
2018-04-03
37 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
176: The Importance of Redundancy
Today on the First 40 Miles, if you’re bringing something on a backpacking trip “just in case”, there’s a good chance you’ll probably never use that item. How do you know which “just in case” items are actually important? Then, a classic backpacking gear standard that’s lightweight, cheap and easy to use. And we’ll share a hack that will help slim down your trekking poles.
2018-03-27
37 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
175: Backpacking is Better With Friends
Today on the First 40 Miles, hockey may be better with Wayne Gretsky, but who are the people you want to backpack with? Then on today’s SUMMIT Gear Review, a gear repair that takes 15 minutes, and leaves your gear looking cooler, by far, than your friend’s gear. And we’ll share a hack from one of our listeners, Paul.
2018-03-20
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
174: Scared or Prepared?
Today on the First 40 Miles, have you ever thought about how your skills as a backpacker can be a huge benefit to yourself and others during a natural disaster? Today we’ll share a story from a listener who experienced the devastation in Puerto Rico. Then, we’ll share a survival hack that will turn your empty pack into something that everyone should have—just in case.
2018-03-13
34 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
173: Backpacking Conversations
Today on the First 40 Miles, we talk about our latest project, a children’s book designed to help get kids outside. An on-the-fly top 5 list emerges as Josh and Heather plan ahead for future episodes. Then we each share one of our favorite “must-have” backpacking items. Next, a super-healthy, super-crunchy trail snack that can be ready in minutes. And we'll wrap up the show with a little trail wisdom from a couple of nutty backpacking podcasters.
2018-03-06
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
172: The Next Level of Essentials
Today on the First 40 Miles, Once you’ve got survival in the woods figured out, maybe you’re ready to take it to the next level. We’ve got the top 5 secondary survival essentials to round out your outdoor experience. Then, we’ll review a stove and pot combo that will help you cook up your latest trail cuisine experiment. And if you’re not feeling like any culinary experimentation, we’ll share a food hack that’s under a buck and requires no dishwashing.
2018-02-27
33 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
171: Survival Essentials
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’re most of the way through winter—and we’ve survived! And for today’s top 5 list, we’ll share some survival essentials—known to the bushcrafters as "the five Cs". Then we’ll share one of the best subscription boxes we’ve found, that will help you hone your survival skills into a craft. Next, a backpack hack that’ll prepare you for surviving laundry.
2018-02-20
26 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
170: A Winter Overnighter
Today on the First 40 Miles, we took off for 24 hours to enjoy a little Northwest winter backpacking trip. We’ll share our top 5 experiments plus our brush with death! And if you’ve ever wondered how to start a fire after a soil-drenching rainstorm, we’ll show you what worked for us. Then we’ll give you a hack that will make your winter fires burn cleaner, hotter and more efficiently.
2018-02-13
35 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
169: FEATHERS: The Down Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, Ounce for ounce, down is the warmest insulating material available—but where does it come from, how do synthetics match up, and did Neil Sedaka really write a song about his down puffy? Then we’ll review a sleeping bag that not only harnesses the power of down, but also uses a unique closure system. And if you’ve avoided down because of allergies, we have a simple trick that just may save you a box of Kleenex.
2018-02-06
31 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
168: Weight vs. Volume
Today on the First 40 Miles, if you’re trying to get your pack weight down, but the numbers just don’t want to budge, we have a new challenge for you. Reduce. Your. Volume. We’ll share 5 ways to take up less space. For today’s SUMMIT Gear Review, would you trust a stuff sack made of tissue paper? For the same weight, we’ll give you a much better option. Then, a quick hack that will help you streamline your bathroom time.
2018-01-30
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
167: Prepping for a Winter Backpacking Trip
Today on the First 40 Miles, Friday night is always date night, and for this week’s date night, we’re packing and prepping for a quick winter backpacking trip—and we’ll tell you why. Then, we’ll review a sleeping pad with a 4.4 R-value that is a win for budget minded backpackers. And we’ve got the perfect hack that will make your sleeping pad stay in place.
2018-01-23
35 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
166: Armchair Backpacker
Today on the First 40 Miles, for whatever reason, maybe you’re not going to be able to get out hiking or backpacking for a while. That’s ok! We’ll help you immerse yourself in the experience without leaving home. Then we’ll review a huge tarp that will give you all the coverage you need. Then we’ll show you ”the place to go when you can’t go backpacking”. And we’ll wrap up the show with some strong words from someone who always seemed to have time to get outdoors.
2018-01-16
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
165: Reading Between the Lines
Today on the First 40 Miles, while looking for your next hike or backpacking trip, it’s easy to lose track of time reading colorful, inspiring trip reports. We’ll help you decipher some uncommon words and phrases you may run across in your reading. Then we’ll review some dreamy socks that are getting a cult following among thru hikers. And we’ll give you access to the secret government code book to decipher trip reports.
2018-01-09
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
164: Zero Waste Backpacking
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’re always up for a challenge—and that challenge was to have a zero waste backpacking trip—no wrappers, no garbage, no junk. We’ll share what we did and how it worked out. Then we’ll review an all-natural way to package and protect your food, that uses no plastic, foil or mylar. And you’ll learn a backpack hack that will turn your used food packaging into tinder.
2018-01-02
22 min
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163: Is it a Good Match?
Today on the First 40 Miles, incredible trail reports peppered with phrases like stunning views, photographer’s dream, and crystal lake can almost make you ignore other phrases like aggressive ascent, grueling, or sheer rock. How can you tell if your hike is a good match for your skill level? Then, we’ll share a fun trip report from a listener in Australia where our winter is their summer. Next, a recipe from our new book “Trail Grazing” that will keep your fueled and happy on your next outdoor adventure.
2017-12-26
26 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
162: Hunting the Cantharellus Formosus
Today on the First 40 Miles, our family did something that exercised our risk muscle and prepared us for some interesting side trails on autumn and spring backpacking trips. We went mushroom hunting without someone holding our hand! Then we’ll review a sturdy piece of outdoor gear that will give you a place to organize mushrooms, do a little outdoor sketching and maybe some meal prep.
2017-12-19
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
161: The Great Mushroom Hunt
Today on the First 40 Miles, we went on our first mushroom hunt and lived to tell the tale! Today we’ll share the treasures we found in the forest and we’ll share what we learned. Then, our trip guide from the Oregon Mycological Society, Leah, tells her story of how she entered the world of mushrooms. And we have some fun audio from the mushroom identification session at the end of our hunt.
2017-12-12
32 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
160: HAM: The Amateur Radio Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, how do you communicate from point A when your friends are at point B? One of our listeners clued us in to how he stays connected with trail mates while backpacking. Then we’ll review the communication device we’ve been using plus teach you a simple code you wished you would have known when you were passing notes in 4th grade. And we’ll leave you with some trail wisdom that will help you fine tune your communication skills on and off the trail.
2017-12-05
39 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
159: Should I Be Worried About Theft?
Today on the First 40 Miles, when you’re new to backpacking and hiking, you probably have good sized list of things to worry about. We’ll help you add an item to your “do not worry” list—and give you some ways to be proactive. Then we’ll review a simple 100% wool beanie that was so great, we bought it again. Next, a hack that can help you add 24 hours onto your next trip—or can be a life-saving backup plan.
2017-11-28
27 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
158: The Trip is in the Details
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’re at the time of year when hiking and backpacking have unique challenges—and we’re up to the challenge! Listen in on our planning session, then find out which dayhike gets the top vote. Next, a man, a plan, a can—a Canjo! Believe it or not, we found another trail-worthy instrument that can help you while away the dark winter nights (and the dark winter days). And we’ll share a backpackable recipe that will probably push you over your Pumpkin Pie Spice threshold.
2017-11-21
34 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
157: Enjoying the Long Slow Adaptation Process
Today on the First 40 Miles, there is nothing wrong with taking the slow route. Start now and you’ll be ready when everyone else is rushing and cramming last minute. On today’s top 5 list, a common kitchen ingredient that will change the way you backpack. Then, a review of a backpacking pant that stretches, breathes, and moves. And we’ll share a hack that will keep you balanced.
2017-11-14
35 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
156: The Pizza Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, follow us on a whim to the land of crispy crust and creamy mozzarella, where the sauce is rich and spicy and the toppings are bountiful and varied. We’re going to make pizza! This episode is for everyone from the kitchen challenged to the culinary adventurers. So set aside your freeze dried sweet and sour textured vegetable protein, and let’s make pizza!
2017-11-07
31 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
155: Happy Hike-O-Ween!
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’ve talked about foraging for food of the leafy green variety—but what about foraging for the creepy crawly variety? We’ll talk about edible bugs and try to make it sound delicious. For today’s SUMMIT Gear Review, a true backpacking classic finds it’s place in our pack. Then, instead of jumping at every twig snap you hear in the forest, we’ll teach you how to be the one doing the twig snapping.
2017-10-31
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
154: Planning for Adventure
Today on the First 40 Miles, if you’ve ever had a plan go awry, this episode is for you. We’ll talk about trip planning, and why it’s such a critical part of backpacking. For today’s SUMMIT Gear Review, we’ll share a valuable book for beginners along with a hack straight from page 104. And we’ll wrap up today’s show with a little trail wisdom from someone who understood the power of planning.
2017-10-24
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
153: Trinity Alps Wilderness Trip Report
Today on the First 40 Miles, Is it ok to skip school and hit the trails? We think so! Josh and our two youngest will share some of the highlights of the week. Then we’ll review a clever way to get food from the plat to your mouth. And, a few nights on a deflated pad is the inspiration behind today’s Backpack Hack of the Week. Then we’ll wrap up the show with a little trail wisdom from Arnold Bennet.
2017-10-17
32 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
152: Trail Parenting
Today on the First 40 Miles, last week we turned the mic over to the kids. And today, we’re taking it back—and sharing a little bit of insight to parenting on the trail. On Today’s Top 5 list, are there principles that are easier to teach outside than inside? Then, we’ll review a versatile, functional, rechargeable light. For today’s Backpack hack, a crowd-pleasing three ingredient granola recipe that’s just begging for space in your pack.
2017-10-10
37 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
151: For the Kids, By the Kids: The No Parents Episode
Show Notes: Episode 151 Today on the First 40 Miles, the Legler kids are on the mic to provide the kids perspective on backpacking. They’ll share some fun memories from past trips. For today’s gear review, our youngest child reviews his kid-sized pack. Then some friends join us and share their experience backpacking. And we’ll … Continue reading 151: For the Kids, By the Kids: The No Parents Episode →
2017-10-03
18 min
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150: Clever and Creative
Today on the First 40 Miles, there’s something about being outside that lights a spark inside. It makes us more in tune with ourselves, it shuts out the noise of civilization and it slows us down—in a good way. Today we’re going to share some of our upcoming creative projects and hopefully inspire you to get started on your own! Then we’ll review a sub two pound tent that can fit you plus four really good friends. For today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, you’ll learn how to "steal like an artist".
2017-09-26
34 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
149: Friends of the Flora
Today on the First 40 Miles, if you want to be a friend of the forest, get to know the flora. We’ll share some ways to make your next trip more rich as you get to know the plants that surround you. Then we’ll review a new ultra-durable, refillable lighter. For today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, you’ll learn a plant-geek approved way to bring forest samples home for further study.
2017-09-19
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
148: Skip the Trip
Today on the First 40 Miles, is it OK to skip a planned backpacking trip, without also taking yourself on a scenic guilt trip? Yep. And we’ll share some reasons why skipping a trip is OK. Then we’ll share a new twist on the classic carabiner. And, if you had a chance to experience the total solar eclipse in August, we’ll hook you up with even more heavenly wonders.
2017-09-12
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
147: DRIED: The Dehydrated Food Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, the surest way to lighten your food load is to extract the water from it. We’ll share our dehydrating successes, some graceful fails and some tips to help you dehydrate your own food. Then, for the SUMMIT Gear Review, we’ll show you a fun tool to make jerky—and we’ll give you a recipe that will help you pack your favorite Chinese takeout flavor on the trail.
2017-09-05
34 min
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146: Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2017
Today on the First 40 Miles, what’s new in the world of backpacking gear? We’re back from the Outdoor Retailer Show to share gear that’s relevant to backpackers. Then, we’ll share a listener story that may inspire you to rethink your freeze dried chicken a la “whatever”. And we’ll share a backpack hack that will turn your hand held flashlight into a hands-free flashlight.
2017-08-29
34 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
145: Are You a Fair Weather Backpacker?
Today on the First 40 Miles, Are you a fair weather backpacker? This was a question Heather asked herself on our last trip. Then, we’ll share the Top 5 features we wish our gear had…nothing too crazy this time. Then you’ll learn the simple steps to make your own whole grain flatbread for your next backpacking trip.
2017-08-22
27 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
144: Barefoot Backpacking
Today on the First 40 Miles, one of the best feelings after a long day of hiking is that moment when you unlace your boots and toss them next to your pack. But have you ever thought about ditching your boots altogether? We’ll share some benefits of lightening up and going more minimalist with your footwear—maybe even barefoot. Then we’ll review a pair of shoes from Vibram that will practically gift wrap your feet in Japanese wrapping cloth. Next, we’ll help you crack the code on how to find long, winding trails.
2017-08-15
31 min
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143: Summer Update
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’ve been planning this summer for the past year…and it did not disappoint—and it’s not even over yet. We’ll give you a mid-summer update on what we’ve been up to and the trails we’ve hiked. Then, we'll share a hack from a real live Philmont Scout Ranger! And we'll wrap up with a little trail wisdom that will leave you feeling refreshed.
2017-08-08
36 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
142: TICKS: The Parasitic Arachnid Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, TICKS: The Parasitic Arachnid Episode. If you gross out easily when people are talking about blood sucking parasites, we give you full permission to skip this episode. However, if you’re kinda curious about ticks, how to keep them away and what to do if you end up being a host, then listen on. Then, on the SUMMIT Gear Review we’ll share an innovative way to remove ticks. For today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, an item you may already have in your first aid kit that will ensure a quick and easy way t...
2017-08-01
25 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
141: Staying Cool
Today on the First 40 Miles, if you’re too darned hot, today’s episode will give you some ideas for cooling down. And we’ll keep the heat coming with a review on a fire starter that’s non-toxic, long burning and waterproof. Then, on the Backpack Hack of the Week you’ll learn how create your own ultralight human powered AC unit (is that overselling it a bit?)
2017-07-25
26 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
140: College of Blister Knowledge
Today on the First 40 Miles, for everyone else it’s summer vacation, but not for you. We’ve enrolled you in summer school. Welcome to the College of Blister Knowledge. We’re glad you popped in! We’re going to do all we can today to prevent this universal trail trial. Then, on the SUMMIT Gear Review, a water filter that performs equally well in nearly dry creek beds or rushing glacial run-off. And one of our first 40 milers will share a wild trip he took with some friends.
2017-07-18
36 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
139: Giving Back to The Trails You Love
Today on the First 40 Miles, we’re on site at Heather Lake in Washington State with Rudy from the Cascade Hiker podcast. We’ll talk about trail service and pulaskis. Then, we’ll review a lightweight container than can hold your precious habanero flakes or a week’s worth of ibuprofen. For the Backpack Hack of the Week, a quick flick of your foot may prevent a trail full of mug bogs. And we’ll wrap up the show with a little trail wisdom, from a nature writer of the 20th century.
2017-07-11
32 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
138: TREASURE HUNT: The Geocaching Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, The Geocaching Episode. We’ll show you how to turn a simple hike into a bushwhacking treasure hunt and we’ll walk you through the steps to incorporate this fun activity into your next outdoor adventure. Then, a feature-rich solar charger that can power your next backpacking trip. On today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, a free app that will get you started Geocaching in minutes.
2017-07-04
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
137: Getting Social on the Trail
Today on the First 40 Miles, how do you find people to hike with? We’ll play a fun game today to see if we can answer that question. Then we’ll review a 3 liter water storage reservoir that has a unique blasting feature. On today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, have you ever made up constellation names just to impress your hiking mates? Not only is that hilarious, but it’s also avoidable—and we’ll show you how. Then a little trail wisdom from a man who wished to live deliberately.
2017-06-27
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
136: Move to Backpack, Backpack to Move
Today on the First 40 Miles, a hiker, a backpacker and a biomechanist all walk up to a bar. What they do next might just surprise you. On today’s Top 5 List, we’ll talk about how another podcaster we listen to has changed---nay---revolutionized the way we move. Then we’ll review some stretchy pants that allow freedom of movement along with the power of wool. For today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, a movement hack provided by Katy herself.
2017-06-20
36 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
135: Dreaming of Trail Time
Today on the First 40 Miles, if you’re planning your first backpacking trip, you may have some visions in your head about what it will be like. We’ll help you prep for your dream trip. On Today’s Top 5 List, you’ll learn the 5 things to keep in your car that will help you upon your return. Then, on the Summit Gear Review, a battery that can charge your cell phone and your car! Next, a listener shares a story of an unexpected incredible experience.
2017-06-13
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
134: MUSIC: Songs on the Trail
Today on the First 40 Miles, music on or off the trail is one of the great pleasures in life. Today we’ll talk about how to incorporate music on your backpacking trip: what to bring and what not to bring. Then, a top 5 list that will help you plan your personal playlist. Next on the SUMMIT Gear Review, a three stringed instrument, that’s trail worthy and is impossible to play wrong. And our Backpack Hack has morphed today into Backpack Homework.
2017-06-06
33 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
133: Cats, Wonderland, and Ticks
Today on the First 40 Miles, if a news story didn’t involve the latest political scandal or secret missile launch, it probably didn’t even make it above the fold. Fortunately, we’ve found a handful of stories that we think you’ll find twice as interesting as what’s on the front page. Then, the Summit Gear Review will feature a handy waterproof stuff sack that can hold anything from muddy hiking shoes to all the fixin’s for a campfire dinner. Just not at the same time. Next, a simple way to give peanut butter a flavor makeover.
2017-05-30
29 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
132: Wanna Clean Up The Forest?
Today on the First 40 Miles, remember that BLM land we talked about in episode 131—we have some exciting news to share! A clean up group in Oregon has scheduled a clean up there—and you’re all invited! Then, we’ll teach you how to get street cred on the trail without having to roll up your pant leg and show any raccoon bite marks. Next on the SUMMIT Gear Review, will the inflatable insanity ever end? And a Backpack Hack that will keep you clean.
2017-05-23
30 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
131: Our Secret Backpacking Spot
Today on the First 40 Miles, everyone needs a favorite backpacking spot—and you know what makes it even better? If it’s a top secret backpacking spot. On today’s top 5 list, we’ll break down our plans to make our off-grid backpacking Shangri-La even better. Then, a collapsible cookware set that takes up about a tenth of the space that a traditional set would. And we’ll answer every backpacker’s burning question about whether or not to bring your Snuggie on your next outdoor adventure. The answer is no. But we’ll give you an equally good option on today’s Bac...
2017-05-16
27 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
130: Lost and Found
Today on the First 40 Miles, we lost both our camera and one of our kids on a recent hike—and we’ll share how we got one of them back. On today’s top 5 list, how to incorporate bread into your backpacking meals, without ending up with a bag of crumbs. Then we’ll review a tent that uses trendy buzzwords like hybrid and compact. Next we’ll share a hack that will help others identify your lost camera and get it safely back to you. And we’ll wrap up the show with a poem of mysterious origin.
2017-05-09
36 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
129: FORTIFY: The Pre-Trip Nutrition Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, the time to build a solid nutritional foundation is now. We’ll share how we got back on track and improved our off-trail nutrition. Then we’re mashing up the top 5 list and the SUMMIT Gear Review to share 5 ways to get food into your mouth without spilling too much on your hiking pants. And we’ll share a free resource that will inspire you to take the next step in your nutritional health.
2017-05-02
30 min
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122: Giving Up on Foraging?
Today on the First 40 Miles, is it possible to go out into the wilderness with a crusty loaf and a canteen of water—and then derive everything else you need from the land? We’ll share our experiences with foraging. Then on today’s Top 5 List, we’ll share the top 5 things that Heather does on every single trip. Next, we’re skipping the SUMMIT Gear Review and having a little story time instead. Today’s Backpack Hack of the Week is a little creepy, but super useful
2017-03-14
31 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
115: Outdoor Retailer Winter Market 2017 Report
Today on the First 40 Miles, Heather is back from the Outdoor Retailer Show in Salt Lake City with tales of what she saw! Next, today’s SUMMIT Gear Review features a buttery soft, ultrastrong + ultralight hammock. For today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, you knew that a hammock had to do more than just rock you to sleep—and we’ll confirm your suspicion with today’s hack. And we’ll wrap up the show with a little trail wisdom from a guy who has some wise insight about backpacking.
2017-01-24
37 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
086: BUDGET: The Spending Episode
Today on the First 40 Miles, BUDGET: The Spending Episode. Does a budget truly limit us, or does it save us from stupid purchases we would make if we had unlimited resources? Today you’ll hear how Josh and Heather work through budgeting decisions when it comes to backpacking gear. For today’s SUMMIT Gear Review, if you want easy access to 7 liters of M&Ms, we’ve got the perfect pack for you. Then on today’s Backpack Hack of the Week, seventeen cents doesn’t go very far in today’s world, but on the trail it gets you through...
2016-07-05
36 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
049: Mom’s Advice
Today on The First 40 Miles, Heather’s mom celebrates a milestone birthday and gets the spotlight! We share a letter she wrote to Heather that has some great backpacking advice. Then on the SUMMIT Gear Review, play music for days without recharging! On the Backpack Hack of the Week, you’ll learn how to use a common bathroom item to prep for your next trip.
2015-10-20
25 min
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042: SPARK: The Fire Episode
Today on The First 40 Miles, fire has met its match. Learn five ways to light a fire that you may not have heard of before. Then on the SUMMIT Gear Review, Heather’s obsession with stoves is fueled with a piece of gear that not only burns sticks, but burns smoke as well. On the Backpack Hack of the Week, learn how to make a cotton ball into a charpuff that can be the slow-burning nucleus for the perfect fire. Then we’ll leave you with a little trail wisdom from a man of few words—six words to be exa...
2015-09-01
31 min
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027: You’ll Never Stand in Line for A View
Today on The First 40 Miles, The Top 5 New Things Heather Wants to Try on a Future Backpacking Trip. The SUMMIT Gear Review will show you the best place to take a nap on the trail. On the Backpack Hack of the Week, we will teach you a paradox of the trail—how to clean with dirt. We’ll share a little redneck style humor and then wrap up the show with a little trail wisdom from a man with the longest resume in the west!
2015-05-19
28 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
022: If You Know Four Notes
Today on The First 40 Miles, Heather shares a little trail wisdom she picked up from an airplane magazine. Next, the top 5 reasons why wearing pants is a good idea (do we need 5 reasons to wear pants?) On the SUMMIT Gear Review™, we’ll show you a quick way to make fire. On the Backpack Hack of the Week™, you’ll save some grams and gain some peace of mind with disposable documents. And we’ll wrap up the show with a little trail wisdom from our good friend on the trail, Pulitzer Prize Winning Poet, Wallace Stevens
2015-04-14
27 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
017: How to Find Awesome Trails
Today we celebrate International Day of Awesomeness! We talk about finding awesome "backpackable" trails. Next, Heather shares her current bucket list of hikes. Then, learn about an ultralight food prep bag, and get a recipe to go with it. Fictitious listener, Dale in Oklahoma sends in a question about water filtering.
2015-03-10
25 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
016: Say Goodbye to Sore Muscles
Want to avoid muscle soreness? It may be preventable! Next, on the Ready for Adventure segment, we’ll see if TSA is ready for Heather’s backpacking trip to Tuscon. On the Backpack Hack of the Week™ you’ll learn the French word for “Pony” and why it matters on the trail. Then we’ll answer a REAL listener question in Backpackers Q+A. And we’ll wrap up the show with a little Trail Wisdom from an American poet who must love you very much.
2015-03-03
25 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
015: Alpaca: A Fiber to be Reckoned With
Heather shares a reason to listen to some brotherly advice. Then, we have a new feature that will get you Ready for Adventure! On the Backpack Hack of the Week™ you’ll learn how to have the nicest looking waterproof matches on the trail. A fictitious listener sends in a question to the First 40 Miles. And we’ll wrap up the show with a little Trail Wisdom from an absolute saint.
2015-02-24
00 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
013: Are You Hiking Your Own Hike?
Sometimes the hardest part of a hike is the eight hours when your feet aren’t moving. Learn some tried and true tips for sleeping while on your next backpacking trip. The Top 5 List will give you some great insights for “hiking your own hike” to maximize personal growth. Next, Heather and Josh review a lightning fast way to boil water for your next freeze dried meal. Then, the humble dollar store liquid laundry detergent bottle comes to the rescue to help banish the dreaded 'trail stank'.
2015-02-10
25 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
012: Inventors, Innovators, and Backpackers
Heather and Josh share some innovative backpacking gear from Kickstarter.com. Next, you’ll learn about the top 5 pack messes and how to avoid them. Then we’ll review a pair of socks made by some hard-working worms. The Backpack Hack of the Week™ features an easy way to keep a lid on leftovers.
2015-02-03
27 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
010: The Shake Down
The Shake Down: a trendy new dance move or a backpacking pre-trip? Next, learn a few tricks from the Boy Scouts from their iconic Merit Badge Pamphlets. Then, the Leglers revisit some rain gear that went through some blackberry vines and lived to tell the story. Lastly, Heather has invented a perfect solution to the messy bar of soap—and we promise it doesn’t use nylon stockings! You’ll love it!
2015-01-20
30 min
The First 40 Miles: Hiking and Backpacking Podcast
007: When It Rains, You’re Covered
Recent research by a Kansas State physicist proves that petite folks have the advantage on the trail. Next, be sure to pack an umbrella (is this a joke?) on your next backpacking trip. On the SUMMIT™ Gear Review, we review a basic hat that left Heather’s ears out cold. And you’ll learn how to make a simple breakfast that will take you back to your idyllic childhood in the Swiss Alps.
2014-12-30
20 min