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The Security TableAI, AppSec and the Meaning of Life: The Answer is 42What are the core competencies that matter most for modern application security teams? Today we discuss understanding code and systems thinking and the crucial ability to assess risk in context - plus why your AppSec team might eventually get absorbed into engineering (and why it could be a good thing). We debate the role of developer mindset in security, the importance of technical depth over tool knowledge, and how to build teams that truly enable rather than gate development. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜...2025-07-3045 minThe Security TableBuilding the World's Largest Threat Model LibraryToday we’re joined by Petra Vukmirovic. Petra, is the head of information security at Numan and co-leader of the Threat Model Library Project. Petra shares her vision for creating a massive, structured dataset of crowdsourced threat models that could revolutionize how the cybersecurity community learns and shares threat modeling knowledge. We explore the complex challenges of convincing companies to share their threat models publicly, diving into concerns about legal liability, competitive advantage, and the fundamental tension between transparency and security risk. Listen along to learn more about this exciting project and its potential impact on the cybersecurity field....2025-07-0949 minThe Security TableVibe Coding: Can You Put Your Trust in the Machine?We’re discussing vibe coding again and how AI-generated code is reshaping software development. We discuss the trustworthiness and maintainability of AI-generated code, examining the challenges of reviewing and integrating automated changes at scale. The conversation spans from practical concerns about code quality to broader implications for open-source projects in an AI-augmented world. We talk about identifying telltale patterns in AI-generated code and why context and traceability are becoming essential for trusting automated systems.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks f...2025-07-0243 minThe Security TableTraversing the Conference Circuit: Highlights and InsightsIt’s security conference season and we’re discussing the importance of networking, the value of in-person connections, and sharing insightful tips for delivering effective presentations. From recapping our conference experiences, debating the significance of keynotes, to reminiscing about the impact of classic rock bands like Def Leppard. Listen now to hear about conference experiences, mentoring sessions, and the evolving industry landscape.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2025-06-1143 minThe Security TableMCP…Something Could Go WrongWe’re discussing the complexities of the Model Context Protocol (MCP) and its application in AI systems. Join us for an in-depth discussion about MCP, agent-to-agent communication, and potential security vulnerabilities. We wrap up with a thought-provoking conversation on the future of AI safety and the challenges it presents. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2025-06-0345 minThe Security TableThreat Modeling or Threat Intelligence, Are they the Same?Listen in as we debate the differences between threat intelligence and threat modeling. What distinguishes these two concepts in cybersecurity, and how do they inform each other? The conversation explores definitions, real-world examples, and the interconnected relationship between proactive threat modeling and reactive threat intelligence.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2025-05-2129 minThe Security TableSkillset Over Experience: Rethinking Qualifications in CybersecurityToday we delve into the evolving landscape of cybersecurity hiring, debating the merits of prioritizing skills over degrees and experience. From discussing the value of critical thinking and hands-on skills to the potential role of AI in the workforce, the conversation navigates the complexities of hiring practices. We share personal anecdotes, insights from industry articles, and our experiences as hiring managers. Tune in for a humorous and thought-provoking discussion on what really matters when building a successful cybersecurity team.CISOs Rethink Hiring to Emphasize Skills Over Degrees and Experience article2025-04-2339 min
Redefining CyberSecurityVibe Coding: Creativity Meets Risk in the Age of AI-Driven Development | A Conversation with Izar Tarandach | Redefining CyberSecurity with Sean Martin⬥GUEST⬥Izar Tarandach, Sr. Principal Security Architect for a large media company | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/izartarandach/⬥HOST⬥Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/imsmartin/ | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com⬥EPISODE NOTES⬥In this episode of Redefining CyberSecurity, host Sean Martin sits down with Izar Tarandach, Senior Principal Security Architect at a major entertainment company, to unpack a concept gaining traction across some developer circles: vibe coding.Vibe coding, as discussed by Izar and...2025-04-1735 min
ITSPmagazine PodcastsVibe Coding: Creativity Meets Risk in the Age of AI-Driven Development | A Conversation with Izar Tarandach | Redefining CyberSecurity with Sean Martin⬥GUEST⬥Izar Tarandach, Sr. Principal Security Architect for a large media company | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/izartarandach/⬥HOST⬥Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/imsmartin/ | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com⬥EPISODE NOTES⬥In this episode of Redefining CyberSecurity, host Sean Martin sits down with Izar Tarandach, Senior Principal Security Architect at a major entertainment company, to unpack a concept gaining traction across some developer circles: vibe coding.Vibe coding, as discussed by Izar and...2025-04-1735 minThe Security TableVibe Coding: What Could Possibly Go Wrong?Vibe coding, or using AI to generate code by describing what you want. We critically examine the concerns surrounding AI-generated code, including code quality, security risks, and the potential for creating numerous low-quality applications. Our discussion explores whether AI can truly provide foolproof, production-ready code, or if it should be limited to idea generation and prototyping. Catch our candid take on the dangers of relying on AI for software development and the importance of maintaining human expertise in the coding process.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Tabl...2025-03-2636 minThe Security TableThe Department of NoWe’re discussing the complexities of saying 'yes' or 'no' in the context of security decisions in today’s episode and the enduring challenge of integrating security into software development. The conversation swerves into the intriguing idea of a trade-like progression for developers, contrasting it with current knowledge work. The episode culminates in a hit parade of pop culture references, including Star Wars, Star Trek, Firefly, and more. Tune in for a thought-provoking and fun conversation!Article Link: How to Say 'No' WellFOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security...2025-02-1245 minThe Security TableThe Cyber Trust Mark DebateThe Cyber Trust Mark, a new FCC program aimed at assuring the security of IoT devices is the topic of discussion today. We discuss various aspects of the Cyber Trust Mark, the history of similar initiatives like UL certification, and the challenges faced by consumers in determining the security of their devices. They also debate the merits and drawbacks of regulations like the EU's Cyber Resilience Act, the importance of secure-by-default design, and the limitations of relying solely on consumers or independent labs to ensure security. Throughout, they explore whether this new mark can genuinely make a difference or...2025-01-2247 min
The Elephant in AppSecThe Untold Benefits of Continuous Threat Modeling You Didn’t Know About ⎜Izar TarandachWelcome to the Elephant in AppSec, the podcast to explore, challenge, and boldly face the AppSec Elephants in the room.
Today, I’m joined by Izar Tarandach, a Senior Product Security Architect with extensive security experience at Datadog, Squarespace, and several other companies. Izar is also a renowned speaker and the co-author of Threat Modeling: A Practical Guide for Development Teams by O'Reilly. He’s a member of the Threat Modeling Manifesto Group and the leader behind the OWASP pytm Pythonic framework for threat modeling tool.
Izar is also a fellow podcaster, and I hope we ge...2025-01-2042 minThe Security TableHovercrafts and the Evolution of AppSec in 2025Hovercrafts and application security in the new year. We revisit last year's predictions on Quantum LLM, SBOMs, and whether DAST tools will make a comeback. With humor and forward-thinking, we explore what the future might hold for application security, the rise of new technologies, and even the outlandish idea of AppSec being dead. Episode mentioned:AppSec Resolutions - January 9, 2024FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2025-01-0835 minThe Security TableFind Your Conferences and watch Die Hard. And the Princess Bride.What makes a conference truly valuable? Is it the unexpected connections and serendipitous meetings of minds, or the chance to break free from the "security echo chamber" by exploring diverse conference experiences? We discuss the considerations that make conferences worth attending and examine whether they are compelling enough to warrant personal investment. Whether large or intimate, each conference provides a distinct journey of learning and interaction.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2024-12-1129 minThe Security TableIs it Necessary? Not everything requires an LLMWe debate the necessity and efficiency of LLMs in finding code vulnerabilities in a C library compared to traditional static code analyzers and fuzzing techniques. The conversation explores broader topics in application security testing, including the evolving landscape of Dynamic Application Security Testing (DAST), fuzzing, and the potential of emerging technologies like Application Detection and Response (ADR).FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2024-12-1042 minThe Security TableThe STRIDE Controversy: Evolution vs. Extinction in Security ModelsWe discuss a controversial LinkedIn post claiming "Threat Modeling is Dead." While the STRIDE methodology may need updating, it remains a valuable "gateway" tool for teaching security concepts to developers without security backgrounds. We discuss how STRIDE serves as a useful categorization system, emphasize that dogmatic approaches to threat modeling are problematic, and argue that what matters most are results rather than strict adherence to any particular methodology. Our conclusion; STRIDE is still alive and relevant, but it could benefit from an update to demonstrate its continued applicability.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜Link...2024-11-1341 minThe Security TableWhy 100X Isn't the AnswerA good discussion today covering two different articles, the first covers CISA's list of product security "bad practices", questioning whether it provides real value or is just content marketing. Then the discussion moves onto an article about Shift Left. The group debates whether it is truly more expensive to fix design flaws versus implementation bugs, noting the difficulty of quantifying the cost difference. They argue that the focus should be on providing proper training and incentives for developers to build secure software, rather than just adding more security tools. Articles discussed in the episode:Product S...2024-11-0744 minThe Security TableWe'll Be Here Until We Become ObsoleteThis week we explore the multifaceted concept of obsolescence in technology, detailing its planned, unplanned, and forced forms. We delve into the security implications of outdated or unsupported devices and software, with a spotlight on cloud-connected vehicles and their vulnerabilities. We discuss architectural decisions, regulatory requirements, and real-world incidents like the OnStar hack, reflecting on the need for robust security protocols. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2024-10-2327 minThe Security TableEverything is BoringIs everything boring? Chris, Izar and Matt discuss why nothing seems interesting enough lately. Is the excitement of vulnerabilities and ransomware waning? The guys touch on Governance, Risk, and Compliance (GRC) in corporate auditing, the impact of ransomware and the contentious role of cyber insurance, the fading novelty of AI and its influence on security, and examine why essential security tasks might feel mundane yet remain vital. This is a candid conversation you won’t want to miss. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube...2024-10-1629 minThe Security TableExperts Want to ExcelWhat constitutes an expert in the field of threat modeling? Today Matt, Chris and Izar explore cultural references, the intricacies of threat modeling practices, and the criteria that define an expert. The discussion touches on the evolution of threat modeling, the roles of facilitators, and the importance of experience and recognition in the field. The guys humorously debate the challenge of scaling practices in large organizations and share thoughts on how expertise can inspire others. Enjoy this amusing episode complete with tangents on movies, old media technologies, sports analogies, and competitive Excel.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: 2024-10-0944 minThe Security TableNumb to Data Breaches, and How it Impacts Security of the Average FeatureIn this episode of the Security Table with Chris Romeo, Izar Tarandach, and Matt Coles, the team dives into the evolving landscape of modern security approaches. They discuss the shift from strategy to tactics, the impact of data breaches, and why people are becoming numb to such incidents. The episode also touches on the importance of understanding the business side of security and the role of product managers as security champions. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2024-09-1832 minThe Security TablePhilosophizing Cloud SecurityIn this episode of the Security Table, our hosts discuss the concept of the 'Shared Fate Model' in cloud security. The conversation explores how this model builds on the shared responsibility model and the implications for cloud service providers and consumers. From robust default security measures to the historical evolution of ISPs, the discussion covers technical and philosophical aspects of cloud infrastructure security. Join us for an informative and engaging session filled with the past and present of internet connectivity and cloud service security.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜Link...2024-09-1128 minThe Security TableInnovations in Threat Modeling?In this episode of The Security Table, hosts Chris Romeo, Izar Tarandach, and Matt Coles dive into the evolving concept of threat models, stepping beyond traditional boundaries. They explore 'Rethinking Threat Models for the Modern Age,' an article by author Evan Oslick. Focusing on user behavior, alert fatigue, and the role of psychological acceptability, they debate whether broader human factors should integrate into threat modeling. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2024-08-2831 minThe Security TableThe Illusion of Secure SoftwareIn this episode of The Security Table Podcast, hosts ChriS, Izar and Matt dive into the recent statement by CISA's Jen Easterly on the cybersecurity industry's software quality problem. They discuss the implications of her statement, explore the recurring themes in security guidelines, and debate whether the core issue is with people or technology. Join the conversation as they analyze the roles of developers, QA engineers, and emerging AI tools in shaping a secure future, questioning if the industry is on the right path to real change.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Tw...2024-08-1440 minThe Security TableThe Intersection of Hardware and Software SecurityIn this episode of The Security Table, Chris, Izar, and Matt discuss an article that discusses threat modeling in the context of hardware. They explore the intersection of hardware and software security, the importance of understanding attack surfaces, and the challenges posed by vulnerabilities in hardware components, such as speculative execution faults and the impact of supply chain security. Join the conversation as they examine the critical points in the ongoing dialogue around hardware and software security integration.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTub...2024-08-0730 minThe Security TableComputing Has Trust IssuesJoin us in this episode of The Security Table as we dive into the world of cybersecurity, starting with a nostalgic discussion about our favorite security-themed movies like 'Sneakers,' 'War Games,' and 'The Matrix.' We then shift gears to explore a critical topic in modern computing: the vulnerabilities and implementation issues of Secure Boot. Discover the intricate details of key management, human errors, and the challenges of maintaining trust in hardware and software systems. The conversation extends to the practicalities of password management, passkeys, and the broader implications of securing digital identities. FOLLOW OUR S...2024-07-3146 minThe Security TableThe Stages of Grief in Incident ResponseJoin Chris, Izar, and Matt as they sit around the Security Table to dissect and discuss the different stages of dealing with security incidents. In this episode, they explore the developer's stages of grief during an incident, and discuss a recent large-scale IT incident. They share insights from their multi-decade experience in security, analyze the fragility of current systems, and discuss the role of luck and probability in security failures. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2024-07-2424 minThe Security TableTo SSH or Not?In this episode of 'The Security Table,' we are back from our midsummer break to discuss OpenSSH regression vulnerability. We dig into the nuances of this race condition leading to remote code execution, explore the chain of security updates, and the role of QA in preventing such regressions. We debate the necessity of SSH in modern cloud-native environments and its alternatives. Plus, we answer the critical question of who should catch these vulnerabilities first — QA teams, pentesters, or automated tools? FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table P...2024-07-1728 minThe Security TableRethinking Security Conferences: Engagement and InnovationIn this episode Chris, Matt, and Izar discuss the current state of security conferences and gatherings for professionals in the field. They discuss the value and viability of different types of gatherings, the importance of networking and community-building at events, innovative approaches to conference formats and the need for something more engaging and participatory that caters to both introverts and extroverts.Personal experiences and preferences for conference attendance and speaking engagements are discussed along with hybrid approaches that combine presentations with facilitated discussions and interactive elements.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜Link...2024-07-0326 min
WomansplainHow to Have Empathy at Work with Professor Reut Livne-TarandachReut Livne-Tarandach is an Associate Professor of Management and Louis F. Capalbo Chair of Business Administration at the O’Malley School of Business, Manhattan College. She is also a faculty affiliate of the Center for Positive Organizations at the Stephen M. Ross School of Business, University of Michigan. Dr. Livne-Tarandach’s research program is centered around humanistic management. In contrast to the economistic view of management that sees people as tools to attain organizational goals, humanistic management assumes that people matter, and thus call our attention to explore conditions and processes that promote human dignity, human flourishing, and...2024-07-0246 minThe Security TablePrivacy vs. Security: Complexity at the CrossroadsIn this episode of the Security Table, Chris, Izar, and Matt delve into the evolving landscape of cybersecurity. The episode has a humorous start involving t-shirts and Frogger as a metaphor for the cybersecurity journey, the conversation shifts to the significant topic of cybersecurity being at a crossroads as suggested by a CSO Online article. They explore the concept of moving from a product-centric to an architectural-centric approach in cybersecurity, discussing the design and integration of inherent capabilities rather than relying on add-on products. The hosts look into the complexities of security and privacy, analyzing their intersections...2024-06-1835 minThe Security TableSecurity, Stories, Jazz and Stage Presence with Brook SchoenfieldIn this episode of 'The Security Table,' hosts Chris Romeo, Izar Tarandach, and Matt Coles are joined by Brook Schoenfield, a seasoned security professional, to share insights and stories from his extensive career. The conversation covers Brook's experience in writing books on security, lessons learned from his 40-year career, and personal anecdotes about his life as a musician, including playing with legends like Bo Diddley and Chuck Berry. Brook highlights the importance of ensemble work in both security and music.Books written by Brook Schoenfield:Secrets Of A Cyber S...2024-06-0452 minThe Security TableDebating the CISA Secure by Design PledgeIn this episode of 'The Security Table,' hosts Chris Romeo, Matt Coles, and Izar Tarandach discuss the CISA Secure by Design Pledge, a recent initiative where various companies commit to improving software security practices. The hosts critique the pledge, arguing that many of the signatory companies have long been focused on software security, making the pledge redundant for them. They dissect specific goals of the pledge, such as increasing multi-factor authentication (MFA) and reducing default passwords, and express concerns about their actual impact. Despite their skepticism of the pledge’s effectiveness and measurability, they do acknowledge CIS...2024-06-0139 minThe Security TableWhy Developers Will Take Charge of Security, Tests in ProdThe script delves into a multifaceted discussion encompassing critiques and praises of book-to-movie adaptations like 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy', 'Good Omens', and 'The Chronicles of Narnia'. It then transitions to a serious examination of developers' evolving role in security, advocating for 'shift left' and DevSecOps approaches. The conversation navigates through challenges developers encounter in security practices, stressing the necessity of a DevSecOps framework, secure coding languages, and executive support for fostering a robust security culture within organizations.Chris, Izar and Matt begin the episode with a lighthearted discussion about books turned into movies, including Hitchhiker's Guide...2024-05-2148 minThe Security Table12 Factors of Threat ModelingChris, Matt and Izar share their thoughts on an article published by Carnegie Mellon University’s Software Engineering Institute. The list from the article covers various threat modeling methodologies such as STRIDE, PASTA, LinDoN, and OCTAVE methodology for risk management. They emphasize the importance of critical thinking in the field, provide insights into strengths, applications, and limitations of each method, and highlight the significance of annotated threat models for application security. Mentioned in this Episode:Article: https://insights.sei.cmu.edu/blog/threat-modeling-12-available-methods/Podcast episode: Nobody's Going to Mess with Our STR...2024-05-1445 minThe Security TableXZ and the Trouble with Covert Identities in Open SourceMatt, Izar, and Chris delve into the complexities of open source security. They explore the topics of trust, vulnerabilities, and the potential infiltration by malicious actors. They emphasize the importance of proactive security measures, the challenges faced by maintainers, and propose solutions like improved funding models and behavior analysis for enhancing security within the open source ecosystem.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2024-05-0243 min
Phoenix SecurityCSCP S4EP14 – Izar Tarandach – The Future of Threat Modeling and Product Security, with Izar Tarandach This episode features guest Izar Tarandach, a seasoned security architect with extensive experience in application security, cloud security, and the development of comprehensive security frameworks. Our discussion navigates through the latest trends in application security, the pivotal role of DevSecOps, and the strategic integration of security practices within modern business environments. Sponsored by Phoenix […]2024-04-2100 min
Phoenix SecurityCSCP S4EP14 – Izar Tarandach – The Future of Threat Modeling and Product Security, with Izar Tarandach This episode features guest Izar Tarandach, a seasoned security architect with extensive experience in application security, cloud security, and the development of comprehensive security frameworks. Our discussion navigates through the latest trends in application security, the pivotal role of DevSecOps, and the strategic integration of security practices within modern business environments. Sponsored by Phoenix […]2024-04-2100 minThe Security TableNobody's Going To Mess with Our STRIDEMatt, Izar, and Chris take issue with a controversial blog post that criticizes STRIDE as being outdated, time-consuming, and does not help the right people do threat modeling. The post goes on to recommend that LLMs should handle the task. The trio counters these points by highlighting STRIDE's origin, utility, and adaptability. Like any good instrument, it is important to use the right tools in the right context. They also touch upon the common misconceptions about threat modeling, the misuse of tools like the Microsoft Threat Modeling Tool, and the benefits of collective threat modeling practices. Throughout, t...2024-04-0939 minThe Security TableSQLi All Over Again?Chris, Matt, and Izar discuss a recent Secure by Design Alert from CISA on eliminating SQL injection (SQLi) vulnerabilities. The trio critiques the alert's lack of actionable guidance for software manufacturers, and they discuss various strategies that could effectively mitigate such vulnerabilities, including ORMs, communicating the why, and the importance of threat modeling. They also explore potential ways to improve the dissemination and impact of such alerts through partnerships with organizations like OWASP, the various PSIRTs, and ISACs, and leveraging threat intelligence effectively within AppSec programs. Ultimately, the trio wants to help CISA maximize its effectiveness in the software...2024-04-0237 minThe Security TableHow I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the AIDive into the contentious world of AI in software development, where artificial intelligence reshapes coding and application security. We spotlight the surge of AI-generated code and the incorporation of copy-pasted snippets from popular forums, focusing on their impact on code quality, security, and maintainability. The conversation critically examines the diminishing role of traditional quality assurance measures versus the growing reliance on automated tools and AI, highlighting potential compromises between development speed and security integrity.The discussion broadens to consider the future of software security tools in an AI-dominated era, questioning whether AI-generated code could make static application...2024-03-2642 minThe Security TableSecure by Default in the Developer Toolset and DevExMatt, Chris, and Izar talk about ensuring security within the developer toolset and the developer experience (DevEx). Prompted by a recent LinkedIn post by Matt Johansen, they explore the concept of "secure by default" tools. The conversation highlights the importance of not solely relying on tools but also considering the developer experience, suggesting that even with secure tools, the ultimate responsibility for security lies with the developers and the organization.The trio also discusses the role of DevEx champions in advocating for security within development processes, emphasizing the need for a balance between security and usability to...2024-03-1943 minThe Security TableDebating the Priority and Value of Memory SafetyChris, Izar, and Matt tackle the first point of the recent White House report, "Back to the Building Blocks: a Path toward Secure and Measurable Software." They discuss the importance of memory safety in software development, particularly in the context of critical infrastructure. They also explore what memory safety means, citing examples like the dangers of using C over safer alternatives such as Java, Rust, or Go.The debate covers the effectiveness of government recommendations on software development practices, the role of memory safety in preventing security vulnerabilities, and the potential impact on industry sectors reliant on...2024-03-1234 minThe Security TableSelling Fear, Uncertainty, and DoubtMatt, Izar, and Chris discuss the impact of fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) within cybersecurity. FUD is a double-edged sword - while it may drive awareness among consumers, it also leads to decision paralysis or misguided actions due to information overload. The saturation of breach reports and security threats also desensitizes users and blurs the line between vigilant security practices and unnecessary panic. Fear-based security strategies do not foster a secure environment.The proliferation of smart devices and the internet of things (IoT) make many everyday objects potential targets for cyber-attacks. However, media sensationalism surrounds these vulnerabilities...2024-02-2741 minThe Security TablePrioritizing AppSec: A Conversation Between a VP of Eng, a Product Manager, and a Security "Pro"Prompted by fan mail, Chris, Izar, and Matt engage in a role-playing scenario as a VP of engineering, a security person, and a product manager. They explore some of the challenges and competing perspectives involved in prioritizing application security. They highlight the importance of empathy, understanding business needs and language, and building relationships within an organization while dealing with security threats and solutions. They end with insights into the role of AI in AppSec, its prioritization, and its limitations.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table...2024-02-2037 minThe Security TableVillainy, Open Source, and the Software Supply ChainMatt, Izar, and Chris have a lively discussion about how security experts perceive open-source software. Referencing a post that described open source as a 'hive of scum and villainy,' the team dissects the misconceptions about open source software and challenges the narrative around its security. They explore the complexities of the software supply chain, the notion of 'inheritance' when it comes to security vulnerabilities, and the impact of transitive dependencies. They also discuss reputation systems, dependency injection, and the reality of accepting responsibility for incorporated software packages and their security issues. Tune in for these and other thoughtful...2024-02-1332 minThe Security TableAdam Shostack -- Thinking like an Attacker and Risk Management in the CapabilitiesThreat modeling expert Adam Shostack joins Chris, Izar, and Matt in this episode of the Security Table. They look into threat actors and their place in threat modeling. There's a lively discussion on risk management, drawing the line between 'thinking like an attacker' and using current attacker data to inform a threat model. Adam also suggests that we must evaluate if risk assessments serve us well and how they impact organizations on various levels. The recurring theme is the constant need for evolution and adaptation in threat modeling and risk management processes. You can tune in to get a...2024-02-0646 minThe Security TableBug Bounty Theater and Responsible Bug BountyIzar, Matt, and Chris discuss the effectiveness of bug bounty programs and delve into topics such as scoping challenges, the ethical considerations of selling exploits, and whether it is all just bug bounty theater. The hosts share their insights and opinions on the subject, providing a thought-provoking discussion on the current state of bug bounties in the security industry.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2024-01-3027 minThe Security TableThreat Modeling CapabilitiesThis week around the Security Table Matt, Izar and Chris discuss the recently-published Threat Modeling Capabilities document. They explore how capabilities serve as measurable goals that organizations either possess or lack, contrasting the binary nature of capabilities with the continuum of maturity. The team shares insights on the careful definition and measurement of each capability, highlighting the creative debates and diverse perspectives that enriched the document.They also emphasize the collaborative effort behind the document's creation. The process mirrors the successful teamwork from the Threat Modeling Manifesto, showcasing the enjoyment and effectiveness of their work together.2024-01-2341 minThe Security TableOpen Source Puppies and BeerChris, Izar, and Matt address the complexities of open-source component usage, vulnerability patches, civic responsibility, and licensing issues in this Security Table roundtable. Sparked by a LinkedIn post from Bob Lord, Senior Technical Advisor at CISA, they discuss whether software companies have a civic duty to distribute fixes for vulnerabilities they discover in open-source components. They also examine if there is a need to threat model every third-party component and consider the implications of certain licenses for security patches. This is a discussion that needs to be had by anyone using open-source components in their code. Listen in and...2024-01-1640 minThe Security TableAppSec ResolutionsJoin us for the final episode of The Security Table for 2023. Chris, Izar, and Matt answer fan mail, make fun predictions for the upcoming year, discuss their resolutions for improving cybersecurity, and make a call to action to global listeners. Highlights include the reach of the podcast, explaining Large Language Models (LLMs), Quantum LLMs, Software Bill of Materials (SBOM), and the importance of teaching secure coding from high school level up. Chris, Izar, and Matt share their passion for making cybersecurity more accessible, practical, and effective through critical discussions and innovative ideas.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: 2024-01-0947 minThe Security TableThe Impact of Prompt Injection and HackAPrompt_AI in the Age of SecuritySander Schulhoff of Learn Prompting joins us at The Security Table to discuss prompt injection and AI security. Prompt injection is a technique that manipulates AI models such as ChatGPT to produce undesired or harmful outputs, such as instructions for building a bomb or rewarding refunds on false claims. Sander provides a helpful introduction to this concept and a basic overview of how AIs are structured and trained. Sander's perspective from AI research and practice balances our security questions as we uncover where the real security threats lie and propose appropriate security responses.Sander explains the HackAPrompt...2023-12-191h 04The Security TableLooking Back, Looking ForwardJoin Izar, Matt, and Chris in a broad discussion covering the dynamics of the security community, the evolving role of technology, and the profound impact of social media on our lives. As the trio considers what they are most thankful for in security, they navigate a series of topics that blend professional insights with personal experiences, offering a unique perspective on how these elements intersect in the modern world.Chris begins by highlighting the importance of collaboration and learning within the ever-expanding security community. Shifting to broader security concerns, Izar emphasizes the value of mentoring and the...2023-11-2946 minThe Security TableCVSS 4.0 Unleashed with Patrick GarrityPatrick Garrity joins the Security Table to unpack CVSS 4.0, its impact on your program, and whether or not it will change the game, the rules of how the game is played, or maybe the entire game.FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @SecTablePodcast➜LinkedIn: The Security Table Podcast➜YouTube: The Security Table YouTube Channel Thanks for Listening!2023-11-2158 min