Jen And Calli - Podcast Details

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Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieHave Jen and Maddie Done Their Reading Homework?Aside from Calli hassling Jen and Maddie about reading their books, Jen has a few things to say about a former (non lead) actress from Arrow and a certain podcast she did. This of course devolves into ranting, which is one of our favorite pastimes. It relieves a lot of stress which is important for overall mental health. 2025-04-181h 22

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieIn Which We're All Over the PlaceJen, Maddie and Calli are back and talking about a little bit of everything. The Sarah J Maas-verse? Check. Arrow? Check. Other television that has caught their attention? You betcha. Let's be honest, they're waiting for Maddie to read ACOMAF before talking more about the best book in the ACOTAR series (so far). Speaking of which, Jen and Calli have some strong feelings on Azriel and his prospective romance story. 2025-04-021h 13

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieA Court of Welcome BackJen and Calli return after an extended (unintentional) hiatus, trying new tech for the podcast and dying to talk about their latest obsession: A Court of Thrones and Roses. Yep, we drank the tea. And we're ready to talk about it. Join us as we dive in to the first book in the series and try (desperately) not to give too many spoilers. It's hard, you guys. 2025-02-272h 25

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieJustice for ShannenOur last episode before Christmas is a little different, Jen and Calli chat while Maddie is off being a Christmas elf. We talk about all manner of things, as per usual, but first we must ask: if you watched 90210, were you team Brenda or Team Kelli?2023-12-2057 min

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieHappy birthday, Jen!It’s Jen’s birthday!!!!2023-10-261h 01

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieBONUS Episode: Jen Went to Eras TourOur Jen has now seen the Eras Tour!!! Of course this took a whole episode to process.2023-07-151h 32

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieBonus Episode: Calli went to the Eras Tour!!!It’s another TSwift detour here on Watchover! So many things to discuss since Calli went to TWO nights of the Eras Tour in Vegas.2023-05-1149 min

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieArrow Rewatch: 1x14It’s finally here! OTA is officially formed. Jen, Calli, and Maddie get into the combo of OTA works so well, why we’re bored by flashbacks, and more.2023-01-291h 17

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieArrow Rewatch: 1x09 and 1x10It’s Christmastime in Starling City!!! Time for further relitigation of Merlance, villain reveals, and rushing through the pre-Felicity on Team Arrow episodes. Jen, Calli, and Maddie break down this midpoint of the season so we can get to the good stuff soon.2022-11-2951 min

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieVigilante Sh!tTaylor Swift’s new album “Midnights” has released so naturally Jen, Calli, Maddie, and Silver had meet to breakdown the album…and also get into a little Arrow-adjacent talk by discussing Stephen Amell’s villain era.2022-11-051h 18

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieArrow Rewatch: 1x05 and 1x06It’s a quick episode as Maddie, Calli, and Jen break down the last time Arrow legitimately tried to make Laurel/Oliver work and some other stuff happened too.2022-10-2044 min

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieArrow Rewatch: 1x03 and 1x04Jen, Maddie, and Calli discuss the episode that changed everything for Arrow, the glorious beginnings of Olicity, and still sort through some feelings about what could have been with Tommy Merlyn.2022-10-191h 15

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieArrow Rewatch: 1x01 and 1x02In honor of the 10 year anniversary of the Arrow pilot, Jen and Calli brought in Maddie for extra snark (and organization) as they embark on a rewatch of the show.2022-10-011h 07

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieOf Neighbors and Trips and CircusesAre you surprised to hear we’re all over the map again this week? Well, we are. There’s a lot to discuss and we have a good time doing it. Also: Calli has an identity crisis over her romance novel preferences.2022-08-131h 28

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieOn Reading Reylo FanficYep, Calli is doing something she’d say she’d never do. Reading Reylo fanfic. Okay, it’s a romance novel but it did used to be fic. So it counts. We also discuss This Is Us a bit (mostly Jen ranting about how unlikeable some of these characters are!). So really, we’re all over the place. As per usual.2022-04-2351 min

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieIllicit Affairs (The Bridgerton s2 Podcast)We are finally ready to talk all things spoilery about Bridgerton season two! Join us to to see what we agree on (and what we don’t) and hear our reactions to some of the most pivotal moments from the show. Do you love Benedict as much as Calli? Do you miss Simon as much as Jen? Join us, won’t you?2022-04-011h 18

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieCall It What You WantWe talked about anything and everything, as per usual. Especially this last week’s New Amsterdam and the horror show that is Joss Whedon’s PR nightmare. We also discussed, Ted Lasso, Netflix’s Cheer, and Calli has a new show recommendation. Oh, and, what’s your favorite Taylor Swift album? For now, at least, before she re-records another. 😉2022-01-221h 16

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieHappy New Year??We’re back to send off this year by discussing Yellowstone, what we’ve watched recently and hang in there for the moment Calli discovers Betty White passed away. REAL GOOD TIMES, folks! Take this year and shove it.2021-12-3150 min

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieThe Week With No TVFor a week with no tv, we sure had a lot of tv to discuss! Jen rages about the Sex and the City reboot, Calli fills her in on Yellowstone and we gush about hot Jane Austen heroes. All in a week’s work, we say.2021-12-1158 min

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieBasking in the Sunset…and simmering with rage for Barry Allen (as per usual). This week we talk at length about Netflix’s soapy reality show, Selling Sunset (#TeamChrishell!) but we also make time to dish on New Amsterdam. Calli also gushes about the books she’s been reading and we finish up by trashing Barry and enjoying ourselves far too much.2021-12-041h 12

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieOf Catholic Vampires, Wife Ghosts, and Potentially Dead FavesWe’re back this week to talk about all the things we’re watching lately. Calli convinces Jen to give Netflix’s Midnight Mass a shot, we talk over Jen’s binge of New Amsterdam where she’s discovered the origins of the “Casper” nickname, and we both express much relief that Arrow never killed off Felicity, where most other shows would have. Phew! Bullet dodged!2021-10-091h 03

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 105 - the Slippery Slope of New AmsterdamThat’s right. We’ve both joined the “Dam Fam”. While Calli is plowing through eps full throttle, Jen is taking. A more leisurely approach which you know me and we’ll be discussing the show for a good while. We also discuss Arrow and other shows and how much the school pick up thing is RIDICULOUS.2021-09-181h 16

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 103 - Get the ShotThis week we discuss Calli’s COVID woes, Jen’s water baby, Stephen’s head-shaking podcast decisions, the Yellowstone trailer and other TV talk. It’s good. I promise.2021-09-041h 26

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 97 - Whole lotta shaking going onWe’re back this week to talk about all the shows we’ve been watching or will be watching, Jen gets a visual shock and Calli gets a shake (earthquake!), and we remember Arrow 2x02. Lots to talk about!!2021-07-091h 20

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 95 - The Perils of ParentingWe’re back with another episode and Calli has a bone to pick about summer school. Also featured: more fandom policing discussion and who we think Olicity should double date with!2021-06-191h 20

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 94 - Jen’s Arrow 2x01 RecapJen’s Arrow rewatch finally brought her to season 2. Let the shipping commence! We discuss that as well as what we’re watching now and what we WILL be watching whenever new seasons finally drop. Don’t miss the banter!2021-06-121h 19

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 90 - A Royal MessWe’re back, this time dishing all things British Monarchy! Calli finally finished season 4 of The Crown so we have that to discuss and just in time because Harry and Meghan just gave a BOMBSHELL interview that absolutely must be talked about. So we do. Come have a listen!2021-03-101h 28

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 89 - Pop Culture Catch-UpJoin us as Jen fills Calli on all that she’s missed on social media while she’s on a self-imposed fast. Technical difficulties abound but we manage to rise above. Sort of. Better luck next time! Oh and Joss Whedon is the WORST.2021-02-171h 06

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 82 - What We’re WatchingWelcome back! Jen returns from vacation to dish on Arrow episodes 8&9 of season 1 and as usual, we can’t help but talk beyond into season 2 a bit. We also talk about what shows have us wagging our chins right now, especially Selling Sunset and Yellowstone!2020-09-041h 42

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 81 - Arrow 1b is a SlogJen is still rewatching season one with her daughter and folks... it’s rough. She offers up some thought on it, Calli chimes in and, spoiler alert, Laurel is still very much an issue! Also: Watch Selling Sunset on Netflix! It’s a HOOT.2020-08-221h 25

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 80 - Arrow Rewatch 1x01-1x03Jen is rewatching all of Arrow, starting with season 1. So we’re going through the experience and discussing our take aways from those early episodes. Warning: it’s mostly “what the heck were they thinking with Laurel??”2020-08-101h 42

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 79 - Listen to FolkloreHi everyone! Yes, we do talk about a lot more than Taylor Swift’s new album (but seriously, you need to go listen to it). Jen rants about Blindspot and we discuss tv show tropes that we really loathe. Also, we laugh a lot. The world needs laughter right now (and Taylor Swift).2020-07-241h 40

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 76 - Questions from YouWe’re back with a total Q&A style podcast, featuring a few voice messages! As per usual we do ramble quite a bit but we feel sure that you will all enjoy what we have to ramble about (yes, Jen does go off on a Barry rant!).2020-05-181h 27

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Ep 52 - Arrow 8x01 DiscussionThe last season of Arrow is here and we (along with our good friend Maddie) discuss what happened and what we think about what's happening. All in all, those who watched it think it was a solid episode but Calli is still holding firm on her decision not to watch. 😉2019-10-171h 31

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 52 - Arrow 8x01 DiscussionThe last season of Arrow is here and we (along with our good friend Maddie) discuss what happened and what we think about what's happening. All in all, those who watched it think it was a solid episode but Calli is still holding firm on her decision not to watch. 😉2019-10-171h 31

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 48 - SDCC Wrap UpAnother year, another SDCC in the can. Despite not attending themselves, Jen and Calli still have some opinions on the goings on, particularly as pertains to Arrow, Olicity and the flashforward crew. What can we expect from season 8? And also, what the HECK did they do to Veronica Mars? Again, the girls have some opinions on how some showrunners view shipping. It's a lively episode!2019-07-231h 46

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Ep 48 - SDCC Wrap UpAnother year, another SDCC in the can. Despite not attending themselves, Jen and Calli still have some opinions on the goings on, particularly as pertains to Arrow, Olicity and the flashforward crew. What can we expect from season 8? And also, what the HECK did they do to Veronica Mars? Again, the girls have some opinions on how some showrunners view shipping. It's a lively episode!2019-07-231h 46

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 44 - Arrow 7x22 DiscussionArrow ended their seventh season with what could very well have been a series finale. We discuss the end and how satisfying we found it (and why we found it satisfying!) and we also rant a bit about Game of Thrones which is considerably LESS satisfying right now. And Calli makes Jen cry a couple times.2019-05-142h 04

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Ep 44 - Arrow 7x22 DiscussionArrow ended their seventh season with what could very well have been a series finale. We discuss the end and how satisfying we found it (and why we found it satisfying!) and we also rant a bit about Game of Thrones which is considerably LESS satisfying right now. And Calli makes Jen cry a couple times.2019-05-142h 04

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 30 - The Beginning of the EndStephen Amell shared some huge and somewhat devastating news with fans today: Arrow would be ending after 10 episodes in season 8. That means we're looking down the last 18 episodes of the whole show and Jen and Calli have some thoughts about it. This is part one of a two part podcast episode, including our rawest emotions and reactions to this news.2019-03-0745 min

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Ep 30 - The Beginning of the EndStephen Amell shared some huge and somewhat devastating news with fans today: Arrow would be ending after 10 episodes in season 8. That means we're looking down the last 18 episodes of the whole show and Jen and Calli have some thoughts about it. This is part one of a two part podcast episode, including our rawest emotions and reactions to this news.2019-03-0745 min

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 24 - Arrow 7x13 DiscussionArrow's longstanding episode 13 curse is broken! At least for this season. 7x13 delivered us an amazing episode, start to fantastic finish and so many of Jen and Calli's predictions came true that they feel a little lightheaded. Someone got a glass of wine we can revive them with? #OLICITYBABY 2019-02-121h 25

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Ep 24 - Arrow 7x13 DiscussionArrow's longstanding episode 13 curse is broken! At least for this season. 7x13 delivered us an amazing episode, start to fantastic finish and so many of Jen and Calli's predictions came true that they feel a little lightheaded. Someone got a glass of wine we can revive them with? #OLICITYBABY 2019-02-121h 25

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 23 - The Problem with MiaJust who is Blackstar? Maya? Mia? Jen and Calli dive deep into the parentage possibilities and, no surprise to anyone, determine there's only really one VIABLE answer. Doesn't mean Arrow might not try to pass off some other alternative but when it comes to the story that makes the most sense, Mia has to be an Olicity baby!2019-02-091h 25

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Ep 23 - The Problem with MiaJust who is Blackstar? Maya? Mia? Jen and Calli dive deep into the parentage possibilities and, no surprise to anyone, determine there's only really one VIABLE answer. Doesn't mean Arrow might not try to pass off some other alternative but when it comes to the story that makes the most sense, Mia has to be an Olicity baby!2019-02-091h 25

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 22 - Arrow is a Problematic Hot MessIn this episode, Jen and Calli dive in to the problems with Arrow as a whole... and how those problems have been around since the very beginning. How does a fan reconcile themselves with the problems in a show they love? Can they? *Should* they? All good questions.2019-02-072h 17

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Ep 22 - Arrow is a Problematic Hot MessIn this episode, Jen and Calli dive in to the problems with Arrow as a whole... and how those problems have been around since the very beginning. How does a fan reconcile themselves with the problems in a show they love? Can they? *Should* they? All good questions.2019-02-072h 17

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Ep 21 - Arrow 7x12 DiscussionIt's the big Arrow 150th episode, "Emerald Archer". Was it a love letter to fans? Did the milestone episode miss the target or was it a bullseye? And why do Jen and Calli often differ from average fandom reaction when it comes to episodes like this? Listen in and see what they have to say.2019-02-052h 08

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 21 - Arrow 7x12 DiscussionIt's the big Arrow 150th episode, "Emerald Archer". Was it a love letter to fans? Did the milestone episode miss the target or was it a bullseye? And why do Jen and Calli often differ from average fandom reaction when it comes to episodes like this? Listen in and see what they have to say.2019-02-052h 08

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Ep 20 - Arrow 7x11 DiscussionJen and Calli spend the 20th episode of their podcast discussing last night's Arrow. What worked, what didn't, when will Curtis die? Is Oliver Jesus? And more. A lot more. They had a lot to say, apparently.2019-01-292h 17

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Ep 20 - Arrow 7x11 DiscussionJen and Calli spend the 20th episode of their podcast discussing last night's Arrow. What worked, what didn't, when will Curtis die? Is Oliver Jesus? And more. A lot more. They had a lot to say, apparently.2019-01-292h 17

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Extras - Olicity NostalgiaWith one week left to go in Arrow's winter hiatus, Jen and Calli discuss some of their favorite Olicity scenes from episodes past. Also: see what the girls think will come in 7b and our top tips for attending fan conventions. It gets real, y'all.2019-01-152h 21

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Extras - Olicity NostalgiaWith one week left to go in Arrow's winter hiatus, Jen and Calli discuss some of their favorite Olicity scenes from episodes past. Also: see what the girls think will come in 7b and our top tips for attending fan conventions. It gets real, y'all.2019-01-152h 21

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Extras - The Holiday Hangover EpisodeAfter a bit of a break over the holidays, Jen and Calli return to the podcast to answer some questions to their Twitter and discuss, well, whatever comes to mind. Of particular interest: s7 storylines and whether Arrow will end with season 8 or not.2019-01-041h 39

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Extras - The Holiday Hangover EpisodeAfter a bit of a break over the holidays, Jen and Calli return to the podcast to answer some questions to their Twitter and discuss, well, whatever comes to mind. Of particular interest: s7 storylines and whether Arrow will end with season 8 or not.2019-01-041h 39

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Extras - The Christmas EditionAmidst all the holiday hustle and bustle, Jen and Calli set aside some time to talk.... about a LOT of stuff. This is our longest episode yet, discussing everything from holiday preparation to the stickier moments in Olicity's relationship to what are the best shows to binge and ships to ship. WHEW! Listening to this one will give you something to keep you busy while wrapping presents!2018-12-242h 24

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Extras - The Christmas EditionAmidst all the holiday hustle and bustle, Jen and Calli set aside some time to talk.... about a LOT of stuff. This is our longest episode yet, discussing everything from holiday preparation to the stickier moments in Olicity's relationship to what are the best shows to binge and ships to ship. WHEW! Listening to this one will give you something to keep you busy while wrapping presents!2018-12-242h 24

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Extras - Crossover Hijinks Pt. 3Well. THAT took a turn! But Jen and Calli muddle through the muck and grime and actually come to a fairly reasonable explanation and outcome for WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING TO OLIVER QUEEN. Don't miss it.2018-12-121h 48

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Extras - Crossover Hijinks Pt. 3Well. THAT took a turn! But Jen and Calli muddle through the muck and grime and actually come to a fairly reasonable explanation and outcome for WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING TO OLIVER QUEEN. Don't miss it.2018-12-121h 48

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Episode 5 - Crossover Hijinks Pt. 2The reactions for the second night of the Elseworlds crossover (Arrow based, of course) are much different than those for the first night! And for very good reason! Jen and Calli have a lot to talk about now that Olicity are back on solid ground again.2018-12-111h 48

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Episode 5 - Crossover Hijinks Pt. 2The reactions for the second night of the Elseworlds crossover (Arrow based, of course) are much different than those for the first night! And for very good reason! Jen and Calli have a lot to talk about now that Olicity are back on solid ground again.2018-12-111h 48

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Extras - Crossover Hijinks Pt. 1The first episode of the Elseworld's crossover event has aired and Jen has Some Thoughts. Calli is amused. Questions from listeners are answered and ranting happens and fun is had.2018-12-101h 43

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Extras - Crossover Hijinks Pt. 1The first episode of the Elseworld's crossover event has aired and Jen has Some Thoughts. Calli is amused. Questions from listeners are answered and ranting happens and fun is had.2018-12-101h 43

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Episode 4 - Arrow 7x08 ReactionsAnother highly anticipated episode and another instance of some disappointed reactions. Jen & Calli process through their thoughts and get down to what they didn't (and what they did) like about the episode.2018-12-051h 14

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Episode 4 - Arrow 7x08 ReactionsAnother highly anticipated episode and another instance of some disappointed reactions. Jen & Calli process through their thoughts and get down to what they didn't (and what they did) like about the episode.2018-12-051h 14

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Extras - The John Diggle DiscussionIf there is one character who hasn't gotten their due on Arrow, it's John Diggle. Jen and Calli have high hopes that he'll finally get the story he deserves. Also: discussions include the upcoming new Arrow episode, Game of Thrones and The Haunting of Hill House!2018-12-031h 26

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Extras - The John Diggle DiscussionIf there is one character who hasn't gotten their due on Arrow, it's John Diggle. Jen and Calli have high hopes that he'll finally get the story he deserves. Also: discussions include the upcoming new Arrow episode, Game of Thrones and The Haunting of Hill House!2018-12-031h 26

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Extras - The Laurel DiscussionShe's Arrow's most divisive character, and she's also been the most uneven character. Jen and Calli discuss Laurel Lance, from season 1 through season 4 of Arrow (with a special mention for the 100th episode in season 5!).2018-11-301h 48

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Extras - The Laurel DiscussionShe's Arrow's most divisive character, and she's also been the most uneven character. Jen and Calli discuss Laurel Lance, from season 1 through season 4 of Arrow (with a special mention for the 100th episode in season 5!).2018-11-301h 48

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Episode 3 - Arrow 7x07 ReactionsJen and Calli share their reactions for the much hyped episode, "The Slabside Redemption", including their thoughts on Ben Turner, Stan the Fan and that mumble-mouth, Diaz.2018-11-281h 19

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Episode 3 - Arrow 7x07 ReactionsJen and Calli share their reactions for the much hyped episode, "The Slabside Redemption", including their thoughts on Ben Turner, Stan the Fan and that mumble-mouth, Diaz.2018-11-281h 19

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Episode 2 - Arrow 7x06 ReactionsJen and Calli discuss Arrow 7x06, "Due Process". They have some things to say about Black Siren, John Diggle and, of course, how amazing Felicity Smoak's season 7 storyline is!2018-11-211h 38

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Episode 2 - Arrow 7x06 ReactionsJen and Calli discuss Arrow 7x06, "Due Process". They have some things to say about Black Siren, John Diggle and, of course, how amazing Felicity Smoak's season 7 storyline is!2018-11-211h 38

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover Extras: Questions and FrodoJen and Calli discuss Lord of the Rings, including their mutual disdain for Frodo and the significance of the heroes journey. They also answer a question from a listener and only ramble a little bit (but it's about Diggle so it's all good).2018-11-161h 08

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover Extras: Questions and FrodoJen and Calli discuss Lord of the Rings, including their mutual disdain for Frodo and the significance of the heroes journey. They also answer a question from a listener and only ramble a little bit (but it's about Diggle so it's all good).2018-11-161h 08

Watchover with Jen and CalliWatchover with Jen & Calli - Episode 1Join us as we discuss Arrow 7x05: "The Demon". We talk all things that excite (or disgust us), including Felicity and her friendship with Black Siren and Oliver finally realizing that splitting himself was a poor choice.2018-11-141h 20

Watchover with Jen and Calli and MaddieWatchover with Jen & Calli - Episode 1Join us as we discuss Arrow 7x05: "The Demon". We talk all things that excite (or disgust us), including Felicity and her friendship with Black Siren and Oliver finally realizing that splitting himself was a poor choice.2018-11-141h 20