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Radical SacredRev. Zach Lambert's Public Theology from the Heart of TexasWe have a lovely, winding, Texas filled conversation with Zach Lambert of Restore, ATX. Zach is a native Austinite, father and husband, the author of Better Ways to Read the Bible as well as Co-Author (alongside Amy Lambert) of the Substack Public Theology. Zach visits with us about his pilgrimage into open hearted theology, his heart for multi-generational community, and his invitation to a more imaginative, empathetic way of being and reading scripture. This episode is dedicated to the Texas Hill Country and her people. References fromt this episode:Restore ATX Substack - Public Theology Better Ways t...2025-07-1650 minRadical SacredPilgrimage to Peace with Colleen MooreColleen Moore is the director of Peace With Justice at the General Board of Church and Society for the UMC. She joins us today to talk about a recent Young Adult Pilgrimage of Peace she helped facilitate in South Korea. What can we learn from bearing witness to spaces and places where there has been great suffering? How might walking with others in places very different from our usual bring about personal and communal transformation? Colleen shares about her own personal guides, her deep call to peace and dignity for all, and her commitment to sharing stories to shape real c...2025-07-0948 minRadical SacredWes Granberg-Michaelson Reshapes Our Definitions of PilgrimageOur journey with season 2 continues to meander in beautiful and unexpected ways as we have the extreme privilege of speaking with author, pastor, theologian, and someone well seasoned in the art of pilgrimage: Wes Granberg-Michaelson! Wes blows our minds and invites us into new and deeper understandings of pilgrimage. We delve into pilgrimage as response to empire, important movements that are inviting us back to our truest selves, and what can undergird us in the uncertain times we find ourselves in. This expansive conversation was a gift to us as are all of you, dear listeners! Thanks for making season 2...2025-06-2559 minRadical SacredWalking Together, ApartToday we leave our pent up indoor spaces and venture out for a walk together, apart. Can walking bring us closer when there’s literal distance between us? Can walking help us bridge the gap between our heart and our actions? Between where we are and where we’re meant to be? We talk about this season, the places and spaces we’ve been, our fabulous guests who’ve invited us into our own pilgrimages, and how we’re doing with all that’s shifting and changing. Join us Saturday June 21st at 8 am for a Conscious Nature Stroll2025-06-1844 minRadical SacredCarolyn Whitney-Brown's Journey with Henri NouwenCarolyn Whitney-Brown joins us in this playful and imaginative conversation around her and Henri Nouwen’s book Flying, Falling, Catching: An Unlikely Story of Finding Freedom. Written more than 2 decades after his death and centered around Henri’s late in life experiences with the trapeze group the Flying Rodelighs, this book is a joyous invitation to expand our horizons and to follow our curiosity. What new, high flying adventures might be calling to you? Where are the communities in our lives that encourage us to live fully? Carolyn, Henri, and the Flying Rodleighs invite us all to be joyful risk take...2025-06-1146 minRadical SacredHonest Endings, Gilead, and Easter Wrestling with Rev. Rebecca Anderson and Rev. Vince AmlinThis week we are joined by Rev. Rebecca Anderson and Rev. Vince Amlin of Bethany United Church of Christ in Chicago. We chat about partnership, creating healing spaces, and learning to move with the seasons of life and the ebbs and flows of our invitations from Spirit. Vince and Rebecca share about their journey with and honest ending of their beloved, queer, storytelling, bar-meeting church, Gilead. Every pilgrimage has a beginning and an end. What might we learn from ending things intentionally and with the Cosmic Christ in mind? And how might the things that truly matter to us transcend...2025-06-0445 minRadical SacredThe Intersection of Science and Spirituality Through the Life of Pierre Teilhard de ChardinWe are thrilled to chat with Frank and Mary Frost who are partners in life and film making! Today we talk about their fabulous, Emmy nominated, documentary about French scientist and Jesuit Priest, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. Teilhard was a feminist, a visionary thinker, a paleontologist, and a man way before his time. When met with new information that challenged his religious ideals, he didn’t shrink, but he expanded to meet the moment. What might we learn from his ecstatic, open hearted way of moving through the world? Might Teilhard have something to teach us about the intersection of sci...2025-05-2853 minRadical SacredChelan Harkin and the Ecstatic PathChelan Harkin joins us today on this meandering and moving conversation about the path of ecstatic movement. When we dial in to our truest selves, what mystical downloads from the universe might we receive? When we follow desire, where might our destination be? And how can a seemingly small act, like learning to trust the gentle nudges of the universe, lead us back to us? Spending time with Chelan is like diving into the deep waters she’s named after, it’s inviting and cool and totally refreshing. We hope you’ll dive in with us, into all the spaces and pl...2025-05-2153 minRadical SacredDr. Tamice Spencer-Helms is a Social Alchemist and Lover of TreesToday we go on a journey back to our truest selves with Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms. They talk to us about finding uncoerced worship amongst the redwood trees, the beauty in connecting with other folks who invite us into our own aliveness, and all the ways we are being asked to remember that we ARE nature. What if we started actually emulating Jesus? What beauty and healing could come from us wandering around in wild spaces with our weird friends? Tamice shares about finding a deep well of courage from their ancestors and from within in one of our favorite interviews...2025-05-1453 minRadical SacredBill Holston Believes in Safe Housing for AllBill Holston, CEO of Dallas Eviction Advocacy Center, joins us today on the pod! We hear from Bill about eviction advocacy, the importance of all people having access to representation and safe housing, as well as how he finds connection and rest in nature during these trying times. What can we learn when we reflect on the slow movement of the trout lily? Bill reminds us that oftentimes advocacy work begins with noticing what’s happening in our towns and to our neighbors. What have you noticed lately that breaks your heart or invites you into advocacy? By all mea...2025-05-0759 minRadical SacredRev. Tim Clifford Invites Us to Reengage JoyThis week we chat with Rev. Tim Clifford about his journey out of cynicism and how he’s learning to reengage with joy. Tim’s substack, Theology of a Recovering Cynic, follows his movement back towards a truer version of himself through endurance sports, theology, TTRPG’s, imagination, and more. In these dark times it can be tempting to give into cynicism and hopelessness. Rev. Tim reminds us that we can walk a different path, one that’s intentional and filled with curiosity and connection. Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Theology of a Recoveri...2025-04-3042 minRadical SacredPilgrimage with PegasusThis week’s episode is a creative and soulful collab with Stephanie Adelina and Satchel Victory of Pegasus Tattoo and Wellness! While Stephanie gives Jenny a gorgeous strawberry tattoo we chat about trauma informed care, creating safe spaces for everyone, therapy and the coming together of all of the above. Steph and Satchel share with us about being partners in life and in business and all the ways care, connection, and community can bring us together. What happens when tattooing and wellness are combined in an inclusive space? Join us to find out! Cool stuff we mention this epi...2025-04-2359 minRadical SacredBONUS - Easter VigilOn this bonus episode we talk about vigil and the things that call to the depths of our hearts. What can’t you turn away from? What is currently calling you to deep attention and care? We chat about swans, the weird wildness of the Easter Vigil, following our joy and our heartbreak, and everything in between. May you turn your loving gaze to the places and spaces that invite you into vigil. And may your loving gaze be the spark that ignites the flame of your actions. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant...2025-04-1935 minRadical SacredChurch of the Wild Field Guide Conversation with Victoria Loorz and Valerie Luna SerrelsWe chat with Victoria Loorz and Valerie Luna Serrels about their fabulous new offering: Field Guide to the Church of the Wild. Victoria and Valerie are sisters who create uniquely wild offerings through Seminary of the Wild Earth, eco spiritual direction training and more. In this honest and deeply rooted conversation we learn how Victoria and Valerie are creating a mycelial hub for the emerging wild spirituality movement. When we listen to the wild call of our hearts what might we discover? How can being in relationship with the more than human earth transform how we see all things? 2025-04-161h 01Radical SacredHunter Mobley on the Enneagram and Contemplation: The Journey Back to Who You AreThis week we are joined by Hunter Mobley, Enneagram teacher, speaker, and author of the fabulous new book Letting Go, Finding You. We dive deep with Hunter into contemplation and the Enneagram. If “contemplation is a long loving look”, how might Enneagram wisdom and contemplating flow together? Hunter invites us into a gentler, more hope filled way of viewing the Enneagram and ourselves. Letting Go, Finding You by: Hunter Mobley Hunter’s Website 40 Days of Being a 2 by: Hunter Mobley Life in the Trinity Ministry How to Be Alone by Padraig O’Tuama Chapters00:00 The...2025-04-0944 minRadical SacredJohn Philip Newell on St. Brigid and Finding the Address of our HeartsWe are honored and delighted to have this gorgeous conversation with the one and only John Phillip Newell. John Phillip chats with us about St. Brigid, having rituals in these unsettling times, connection to the earth, and everything in between. As we stand in the thresholds of life, how might we draw upon the courage and wisdom of St. Brigid? John Phillip invites us to delight in where we are and to find the addresses of our own hearts, wherever they may dwell.Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Sacred Earth, Sacred SoulEcoVillage, Findhorn S...2025-04-021h 00Radical SacredJourney to Building an Inclusive Future with Mary Jo SchnellHumbled by this lovely conversation with the Executive Director of OutCenter, Mary Jo Schnell. Mary Jo talks to us about leading with empathy and listening deeply to all people, even those we fundamentally disagree with. We can’t connect with others in meaningful ways if we don’t “stay at the table.” Mary Jo walks us through a vision of building an inclusive future rooted in community, equality for all, and intersectionality. May we each be the vision bearers and light bringers for such a beautiful future. Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): OutCenterOn Tyranny by...2025-03-261h 12Radical SacredRev. Jeremy Steele and the Pilgrimage of a SkepticRev. Jeremy Steele takes us on the journey of a skeptic building an open hearted online community rooted in deep questions and care. Jeremy’s new book “How not to suck as a Christian” is an honest reflection of his own faith pilgrimage. Through his Skeptic Pastor account on Tik-Tok Jeremy has found that beneath the most frequently asked questions he gets online are people looking for connection and for authenticity, no matter their background. What big questions do you have that you’ve been made to feel aren’t welcome in certain faith spaces? Rev. Jeremy not only has room for t...2025-03-1949 minRadical SacredMelissa Fritchle’s Journey into Conscious Sex“Yearning is good….it’s a gift.” -Melissa Fritchle Melissa Fritchle is a psychotherapist, eco spirituality guide, author of the Conscious Sexual Self Workbook, a meditation and mindfulness teacher, and that’s just scratching the surface! In this honest conversation we talk about following our own yearning, conscious sex as a way of living more open heartedly, and all the ways our lives begin to open up when we’re honest about who we are and what we want. How can having more conscious sex shape not only our more intimate moments but our spirituality and our interconnectedness with all the...2025-03-1254 minRadical SacredBeyond Data into Depth with Andrew WermelskirchenWe love an interview with someone we both love dearly who also happens to run a gorgeous newsletter! Today we interview Andrew Wermelskirchen about his substack offering for educators and religious leaders: Observations of a Nobody. What can happen when we connect with others via curiosity through open ended, open hearted questions? We chat with one of our favorite somebody’s about creative offerings, open hearted living, and leading with vulnerability. Do you have something on your heart and mind that won’t let you go? Then by all means, dive into it!Cool stuff we mention this epis...2025-03-0555 minRadical SacredFeeling Your Way Through Grief with Missy BuchananThis week we journey with author and speaker Missy Buchanan into an honest exploration into grief. What happens when our life is upended by grief? Missy chats with us about the sudden loss of her husband Barry, her realization that a lot of materials around grief are lacking in authenticity and vulnerability, and her determination to “feel her way through grief” in a way that felt true to her. When we grieve honestly and invite others to do the same, lives are changed and doors are opened. Though none of us would pick grief as our teacher, what do we lear...2025-02-2647 minRadical SacredPilgrimage for Nerds with Rev. Nathan WebbAt the heart of Rev. Nathan Webb’s creative, online community is storytelling, loving connection, and curiosity. We journey with Nathan as he talks to us about the beauty and complexities of pastoring and world building in digital spaces. We delve into pilgrimage through gaming and our minds are blown by the possibilities. What can happen when a church decides to be a community of misfits doing their best to build one another up? Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways): Checkpoint ChurchAnime: Attack on Titan Ping: The Secrets of Successful Virtual Communication by Andre...2025-02-1956 minRadical SacredWalking Brigid's Way with Dr. Karen WardDr. Karen Ward joins us today as we chat about Ireland’s Saint Brigid who is just as rooted in celtic folklore as she is steeped in Catholic tradition. Who was Brigid really? Karen walks us through the journey of a woman who was both the saint of poems, midwifery, Ale and blacksmithing and who was also a fire goddess. The mythology of Brigid is vast and invitational and in these troubled times we are all invited to delve into the story of a woman who became a symbol for new life springing forth in the darkness of the midwinter. As...2025-02-1249 minRadical SacredWhere We’re From and What We’re Rooted InWe are in the darkness of the womb right now, in the midwinter. What are we going to birth forth? This week we talk about where we’re from and where we’re currently taking root in these uncertain times. In seasons of upheaval it helps to remember who our safe spaces are, what weird stuff the soft animal of our body loves, and how we can integrate all we’ve been with who we are and what is ours to do right now. If, like us, you find yourself wandering through the wilderness of the current moment, here are some q...2025-02-0546 minRadical SacredThe Allurement of Nature: A Spiritual Journey with Victoria Loorz“We have lost relational language for the natural world and lost part of our own souls along with it.” - Victoria Loorz, author of Church of the Wild Wild Church Pastor, Eco Spiritual Director, author and founder of Center for Wild Spirituality Victoria Loorz wants us to reimagine our own wildness and our interconnectedness to the earth. Victoria’s invitation to reciprocity, relational language, and choosing to belong wherever you are is a breath of fresh mountain air in these tense times. In the face of looming empire Victoria honestly talks about what we’re facing and also imbibes us with the h...2025-01-291h 02Radical SacredRooted in a Future for Good: Inauguration Episode with Neil MoseleyNeil Moseley, consultant, bird guide, and all around lovely human joins us for this Inauguration Day special. When we dig at the root of the word Inauguration we find an invitation to cast a future of our own imagining. If today feels particularly challenging to you, we want you to know that you are in good company. This conversation invites us all to notice how we feel, admit the reality of the challenges we face, to spend time processing with our best dumb-dumbs, to check in on our neighbors, and to be attuned to our intuition. In this next Trump e...2025-01-2059 minRadical SacredNathan Shultz on the Wisdom of Wild PlacesNathan Schultz, founder of Path Wise Ventures, joins us today to talk about the wisdom of wild places. Raised as a missionary kid outdoors, Nathan’s journey from coporate funraising to pilgrimage leader is one of following his own interior knowing. We dive into the importance of connecting with natural spaces, of following the call of our hearts, and of embracing mystery. Nathan’s imaginative view of the world reminds us that we’d all be better off if we remembered we were friends with the trees. Cool stuff we mentioned this episode (or meant to anyways): Path W...2025-01-1545 minRadical SacredCarl McColman Invites Us into MysteryThis week pilgrimage with us into the expansive mind of spiritual director, author, and contemplative teacher Carl McColman. Carl’s vast knowledge of mysticism, Thomas Merton, and contemplative concepts makes this a fascinating and open ended conversation. Carl walks us through four fundamental questions he journeys through as a spiritual director: Throughout this imaginative chat we are reminded of what is possible when we approach the world in a spirit of hospitality and carve out time for intentional silence.Who am I?Who is God?Who are we? Who are they?Throughout this imaginative chat we are remi...2025-01-081h 04Radical SacredCheers to an Enchanting New YearCheers to you dear listeners! Thank you for your support of Radical Sacred. This week we reminisce on all the ways the year has unfolded since our first episode of 2024 and we look towards our hopes and discuss our honest fears for 2025. Join us as we choose an intentional word as we head into this new year. Even if you’re not down with the Gregorian calendar, we recognize the beauty and potential of viewing each day as a new beginning. Cool stuff we talked about this episode (or meant to anyways):Radical Sacred 2024 New Year’s Epis...2025-01-0134 minRadical SacredY'all Want to See a Fresh Baby?Quick note, we had a little issue with Jenny's audio in this episode. Apologies for the few places her audio drops out. If you have questions about what she said, or you think she said, feel free to reach out to us!Merry Christmas from Radical Sacred! This week we went on a walk instead of having a meeting and it unexpectedly led to the delight of holding a friend's brand new baby. When we’re met with the Incarnation of God in a beautiful moment whether it be through the story of Mary’s Journey and the birt...2024-12-2528 minRadical SacredWinter Solstice and the Pilgrimage of the FireflyWhen the seasons are changing how do we respond? This episode we talk about the light that is found when we begin to look within, the wisdom of learning to walk in the darkness, and the different ways that we can honor the changing weather and our changing humanity. Whether we call it Winter Solstice, Advent, or simply the movement from fall to winter- how are we being invited into our own depths and what will our response be? Cool stuff we mentioned this week (or meant to anyways): Find "Common Eastern Firefly" in the book "All Cr...2024-12-1842 minRadical SacredPilgrimage into Storytelling with Kim PowersThis was a fun and wide ranging conversation with visual artist Kim Powers! Kim shares with us the importance of storytelling and the ways that our stories can either bring us together or tear us apart. We talk about why art and beauty matters, particularly when everything feels kind of dark and the importance of finding the wholeness of all the things. Kim invites us to make room for the fullness of others, and in doing so, we also make room for the fullness of ourselves. Cool stuff we talked about this episode (or meant to anyways):A...2024-12-1151 minRadical SacredPilgrimage Can Be a Real Trip with Rev. Kerra EnglishWe are thrilled to have Reverend Kerra English, spiritual director, retreat leader, pastor, and a no bullshit guide join us today to talk about the many pathways of pilgrimage. In this invitational and thoughtful conversation Kerra talks to us about leading with curiosity, recognizing when things need to shift, and all the ways that pilgrimage is really about opening your eyes, your heart and your mind, to the world around you. When we are invited into new ways of knowing whether it be through a conversation with a fellow traveler, or through a Psilocybin study at John’s Hopkins, we be...2024-12-0443 minRadical SacredKeep Your Fork with Rev. Ashley Anne SipeThis week we are thankful for this gorgeous conversation with Rev. Ashley Anne Sipe of Vista Ridge UMC! Ashley Anne walks us through her own pilgrimage which began with an honest conversation and call out from a fellow clergy woman. This thoughtful invitation is about learning to walk in our own darkness, the truly radical practice of loving all that is, and the deeply intimate connection that only comes with vulnerability. We are grateful for Ashley Anne and for her reminder in these wild times to “keep your fork cause sweeter things are coming”. We are also grateful for you...2024-11-2748 minRadical SacredPilgrimage in the PrepositionsIn this conversation we explore Phil's recent experience at Princeton, focusing on the importance of grounding oneself in nature and the significance of understanding one's purpose. We talk about the need for beauty and play in life, especially during challenging times, and the importance of creating spaces for risk-taking and personal growth. We talk about calling through the lens of prepostions: called by, called to, called with, and called away from as a bonus. Some of the people referenced in this episode:Octavia ButlerJohn O'DonohueSt. Francis of AssisiChapters00:00 Exploring Vocation and Nature05:51 T...2024-11-2141 minRadical SacredThe Journey from Fiction to Non-Fiction with Rob BellRob Bell joins us today in this post election haze. His hopeful and honest insight is sooooo good. Rob talks to us about pilgrimage and books 1 and 2 of his imaginative, beautiful series - Where’d You Park Your Spaceship. We are beyond grateful to share space with this fabulous author, speaker, thinker, and artist! You can find Rob Bell’s work, including his podcast, The Robcast, on Patreon. We begin and end this episode with Mary Oliver’s poem Instructions for Living a Life.Chapters00:00 Navigating Post-Election Emotions03:00 The Journey from Nonfiction to Fiction2024-11-131h 07Radical SacredFrom Scotland to Home: Bridging Pilgrimage Experiences with Rev. Alexa Eisenbarth“One pilgrim makes a zealot, two pilgrims makes a pilgrimage” - Ted LassoRev. Alexa Eisenbarth, Associate Pastor of First Olympia UMC joins us today to talk about how her own personal pilgrimage to Scotland translated to her walking with her fellow pilgrims in her home of Olympia, WA and the importance of not going it alone. What do we learn when we go out walking long distances with others? And what can we learn from pilgrimage about the importance of rhythm, care, and rest both individually and in community? We talk about the softening that happens in t...2024-11-061h 02Radical SacredPilgrimage Begins with The DoorAn important part of pilgrimage is noticing the invitations that are all around us. Every pilgrimage begins with recognizing. What is inviting you to more of you and how can we recognize the doors that are for us. As you move through the world the next couple of weeks we wanted to give you practical advice on how to identify your own doors. Try 1 or 2 of these spiritual practices consistently and see what comes up for you in this time. Journal for a few minutes every day. Start off simply - roses, bud, thorns. Reflect after two weeks - w...2024-10-3030 minRadical SacredThe Journey to Integration using Internal Family Systems with Hillary OwenHillary Owen of Driftwood Healing joins us again today inviting us to journey inward as she shares about Internal Family Systems. Hillary takes a complex topic like IFS and makes it easy by using imagery and storytelling. We learn that we all have different parts that make up our Internal Family Systems. All of our parts are inherently good but not all of our parts need to have the same authority in our lives. Hillary helps us journey through the expired behavior that is no longer serving us and reclaim the freedom of wholehearted living by embracing all of...2024-10-231h 02Radical SacredTy Pierce's Pilgrimage Journey on the Pacific Crest TrailThis week we are thrilled to journey alongside Ty Pierce as he shares about his Pacific Crest Trail hike. Ty walks us through how a resolution to spend 15 nights outdoors and to seek out adventure led him to quitting his corporate job, and ultimately hitting a 2,650 mile trail spanning 3 states, Mexico, and Canada with an acquaintance who would turn into a best friend. Ty’s pilgrimage on the PCT was rigorous and pain filled. It also brought him profound joy, connections to many people he met on the trail, and the knowledge that he could overcome anything by putting one foo...2024-10-1649 minRadical SacredJenny's Gulf Coast PilgrimageBeing folks who are typically more comfortable talking about things than actually doing the things, it was important to us to both take time this season to go on pilgrimages both big and small. In this episode Jenny reflects on her favorite place to pilgrimage, Galveston, TX. Jenny shares about what makes the Gulf Coast a sacred space for her and we invite folks into reflecting on their own sacred spaces. Going on your own pilgrimage soon and unsure of where to start? Here’s some gentle suggestions based on what helps Jenny get in the flow: Fres...2024-10-0933 minRadical SacredPilgrimage to self, and each other, with Kelly and JessKrista Tippet says “learning to love is the longest pilgrimage of our lives.” We are thrilled to welcome Kelly Slaven and Jessica Brazzeal of The Haven Wellness Center to share with us about their pilgrimage of love.Kelly and Jess share with us about coming out, finding love with one another, and building a life that feels authentic and true to them, together. We love a good love story at Radical Sacred and Jess and Kelly's is one we can’t wait for you to hear! It can be scary to allow your life to unfold in new ways an...2024-10-0254 minRadical SacredPilgrimage with Karen Couch - It's Your CaminoPhil and Jenny are thrilled today to speak with Karen Couch about the pilgrimage of walking the Camino de Santiago! Karen is an outdoor enthusiast, Enneagram 6, and co-founder of Elevate Outdoor Adventures. Karen talks to us today about her passion for encouraging women in the outdoors and her experiences of being a pilgrim on the Camino de Santiago. Karen’s love for nature is rooted in her upbringing and her excitement and love for the journey is infectious. Here’s the cool stuff we mentioned today (or meant to anyways):A Pilgrim's Prayer by: Thomas MertonBackpacking with the Sa...2024-09-2548 minRadical SacredThe Pilgrimage of Labyrinth with Rev. Cindy SerioThis week we have their minds blown by Rev. Cindy Serio of Mosaic Spiritual Formation Ministry! Rev. Cindy walks us through the ancient, circuitous path of labyrinths. Why we walk them, how we connect to self and others through this spiritual tool, and how we can begin to view this centuries old pathway as a womb. For as many people as there are on earth, so are there ways to walk the labyrinth. Explore the pilgrimage of labyrinths further by using the Labyrinth Locator to find a route near you! Resources Mentioned: Grace Cathedral in San...2024-09-1849 minRadical SacredRev. Todd Seelau's Pilgrimage With and Beyond the ChurchIn this week's episode we have the honor of interviewing Rev. Todd Silau about pilgrimage and his unique approach to ministry. We discuss the concept of pilgrimage and how it relates to being on the move and being a stranger in a new place. We also explore the idea of deconstructed ecclesiology and the importance of being a good guest when engaging with different communities.Todd shares his experiences of being on the road with his band and how it has shaped his understanding of pilgrimage. He emphasizes the significance of vulnerability and the role it plays in...2024-09-111h 11Radical SacredThe Power of Pilgrimage: An Introduction to Season Two's ThemeWelcome to Season Two of Radical Sacred. This season we'll be exploring pilgrimage.In this kickoff to Season Two, Phil Dieke reflects on his experience of going on a pilgrimage to Northern Ireland with Brian McLaren and Gareth Higgins. Jenny and Phil explore the concept of pilgrimage and its significance in personal and spiritual growth. They discusses the importance of journeying within oneself and the need for intentional exploration and self-discovery. As well as highlighting the role of community in pilgrimage and the value of engaging in conversations with people of different ideologies. The episode concludes with a...2024-09-0437 minRadical SacredFather's Day SpecialOn this week’s special episode Phil and Jenny share memories and stories about their dads. Father’s Day can be a mixed bag for so many of us for so many different reasons. If your day feels complicated or heavy with grief you are not alone! We invite you to find joy where it can be found, to grieve however you may need to, and to do one small thing today that makes you feel connected to yourself, to God, and to those you love. Connect with us on instagram at Radical Sacred to let us know your fav...2024-06-1631 minRadical SacredA Time to Reflect...Thank you for hanging with us for this first season! Phil and Jenny reflect on the last 25 episodes of Radical Sacred! Did you have a favorite episode or guest? We’d love to hear from you! Connect with us on Instagram.As we look forward to having some time to rest and reflect this summer this episode features conversations about where we’re finding hope and inspiration in podcasts, music, and books. If you love very random playlists that include music from Zach Bryan to Outkast to Ani Difranco to Childish Gambino find Radical Sacred’s here.W...2024-05-2940 minRadical SacredTransformation over Information: A Discussion on Palestine, Israel, Curiosity, and ConcernThere is so much information circling around what is taking place in Palestine/Israel. This episode is not a history lesson on the founding of Israel, the displacement of Palestinians, nor the current military occupation taking place in Gaza. There have been many books, documentaries, podcasts, etc created to do that. This episode is an invitation to join us in our journey as we wrestle to make sense of geo-politics and how religion is so often used to divide us, rather than bring us together.As stated in the episode, neither of us are experts in terms of...2024-05-2253 minRadical SacredExploring the Complexities of Grief with Hillary Owen"The only time you can do grief wrong is when you judge yourself for grieving."Note: this episode about grief is heavy and it is long. If you are not in a space to address your grief, maybe save this one for later.Shout out to Hillary Owen of Driftwood Healing for joining us in this personal conversation all about grief. This episode opens with a gorgeous poem by Ada Limon - from her book Bright Dead Things - Tossing Around the AshesHillary, Phil, and Jenny have all had different dealings w...2024-05-151h 11Radical SacredPurity Culture... Again (Because it's that bad!)We’re back with Jessica Brazzeal of The Haven Wellness Center for her third visit! We heard from so many of you after our episode on purity culture we knew had to expand the conversation! If you missed our previous episode on purity culture start here. We discuss how purity culture affected us individually and collectively, the orgasm gap that exists in the evangelical world, resources and more. We also dive into the etymology of the word pastor. What is at the root of the word and how we can tell the difference between someone whose words and be...2024-05-0846 minRadical SacredAttachment Styles with Hillary OwenIn this week's episode Jenny and Phil are joined by Hillary Owen to discuss attachment theory and attachment styles. Hillary, a licensed mental health professional, shares her expertise on the topic and explains the four attachment styles: secure, disorganized, anxious, and avoidant. They also explore the concept of attachment-focused EMDR therapy and how it can help individuals heal from attachment wounds. In this conversation, Hillary Owen discusses the importance of understanding attachment styles and how they impact our relationships and parenting. She emphasizes the need for self-awareness and self-compassion in order to create healthier and more secure connections. H...2024-05-011h 04Radical SacredQueer Theology and UMC General Conference with Jenny BatesIn this episode of Radical Sacred, Jenny and Phil are joined by Jenny Bates a United Methodist in North Texas who is finishing up graduate school at Brite Divinity and recently was approved for Commissioning as a clergyperson in the North Texas Conference of the United Methodist Church.They discuss how Jenny used the Radical Sacred episode on the Sacred Masculine as a resource for a pub theology she hosted, queer theology, and the United Methodist Church General Conference that officially started yesterday.Throughout the episode, Jenny emphasizes the need for inclusivity and the importance of...2024-04-2459 minRadical SacredTranscend and Include with Marcus JonesIn this week's episode Phil and Jenny are joined by Marcus Jones, Director of the Wesley Foundation at the University of Texas at Arlington. After referencing this concept in many episodes, Phil and Jenny invited Marcus to discuss this idea of Transcend and Include. They reflect on their own spiritual journeys and the various faith traditions they have been a part of, while also emphasizing the importance of deep spirituality and spiritual disciplines in their lives. Marcus shares how he incorporates grace into his growth process and how he engages in conversational scripture reading to challenge and dismantle preconceived notions...2024-04-1741 minRadical SacredTattooing as Sacred Practice with Stephanie AdelinaWhat do a pastor, a spiritual director, and a tattoo artist have in common? On the surface, perhaps not a ton. And yet, as we explore the topic of Tattooing and Presence we realize that when done well- pastors, spiritual directors, and tattoo artists all give their presence to people in order to create a deeper connection between each other and self. At their best, all should be people that create spaces that are safe and healing. In this episode Phil and Jenny visit with Stephanie Adelina, the founder of Pegasus Tattoos (a Queer tattoo collective) located in Elmwo...2024-04-101h 00Radical SacredPurity Culture with Jessica BrazealIn this week's episode Jenny and Phil welcome Jessica Brazeal back to the podcast as the first time repeat guest. Jessica joins the conversation to discuss a sermon that recently went viral from a megachurch pastor in Rockwall, TX. Jenny, being from Rockwall, was deeply frustrated by the misogynistic words of this sermon and immediately emailed Phil and Jessica to set up a time to discuss. In the episode they discuss what purity culture is, how it impacted their adolescence, how it continues to harm people today, and so often results in abusive situations. They talk about purity c...2024-04-0339 minRadical SacredEnneagram - Dependent Stance (1's, 2's, and 6's)On our third and final Enneagram episode Phil and Jenny chat all about the Dependent Stance.1s (The Perfectionist), 2s (The Helper), and 6s (The Skeptics/Loyalist) make up this present oriented stance. The Dependent Stance moves towards others (people, institutions, religious ideals etc.) to know what to do, how to feel, and how to move in the world. Those in the Dependent Stance are community builders. They walk into the room and they see all the people and they know what to do to help them. They are genuinely the peoplle that make the world g...2024-03-2746 minRadical SacredEnneagram - Aggressive Stance (3s, 7s, 8s)In week two of their three part enneagram series, Jenny and Phil cover numbers in The Aggressive Stance. Comprised of 8s (gut triad), 7s (head triad), and 3s (heart triad) this stance is future oriented. If 4s, 5s, and 9s are the philosophers of the Enneagram, 8s, 7s, and 3s are the architects. These numbers are self motivating and self propelled. They dream and vision cast and invite others to do the same. Phil and Jenny cover the gifts and challenges associated with this stance, including how gender plays out in the ways aggressively stanced men and women a...2024-03-2049 minRadical SacredEnneagram Introduction and Withdrawing Numbers (aka Jenny and Phil)In this episode Jenny and Phil dive into The Enneagram! They talk about the three centers of intelligence and the importance that head, heart, and gut have in determining how we take in information and interpret the world.Phil and Jenny share all about the Withdrawing stance.4s (Jenny), 5s, and 9s (Phil) withdraw into themselves in order to know what to do. Withdrawing numbers are past oriented, meaning we sometimes struggle to do/say things in real time. They also talk about the gifts and struggles of 4s, 5s...2024-03-131h 13Radical SacredDivine Animism - A Plushier, Spongier Way of BeingThis delightful episode is all about Divine Animacy. Dive in as Jenny and Phil explore a "greener, plushier, spongier ways of being," (you'll understand this description as you listen). Also, not all that surprising, there is again an ode to trees in this week's episode and an invitation to understand life more as verbs and less as nouns.Questions to consider:When we recognize our connectedness to all things, how might our lives begin to shift?How have you experienced the relational, interconnectedness of creation? Humans, and beyond.If animism is an invitation into curiosity...2024-03-0650 minRadical SacredThe Sacred Masculine - A Follow Up to The Divine FeminineThis episode was a difficult one for Jenny and Phil. Their struggle around defining and identifying what feels sacred and masculine is rooted deeply in the spaces and places they were raised. Much of what they were handed about the sacred masculine was steeped in a white, western, patriarchal worldview that has been difficult to unpack. And yet, as they explored masculinity they were able to find many beautiful and hopeful qualities to celebrate. As you listen, consider how growing up in a patriarchal society might have also altered your views of sacred masculinity.Could you identify...2024-02-281h 01Radical SacredThe Divine FeminineThis week Jenny and Phil begin a three part series, a trilogy if you will, discussing the concept of the Divine Feminine and its importance in spirituality. They discuss how each of them have come to not only understand, but also encounter the Divine Feminine, especially in unexpected places outside of typical church. They also explore how to tap into divine feminine energy, rethinking the narrow Western views of feminine and masculine, and the holistic approach that requires head, heart, and whole being.This trilogy/series was heavily influenced by the work of Sophie Strand. You can find...2024-02-2136 minRadical SacredIs Your Heart Strangely Warmed?In this Valentine's Day/Ash Wednesday episode, Jenny and Phil discuss the life and ministry of John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, with Rev. Elizabeth Moseley. They explore the concept of Wesley's heart being strangely warmed and how it transformed his faith and ministry. They highlight Wesley's emphasis on both personal faith, social holiness, and community engagement, as well as his ongoing journey of growth and development.They also get a little vulnerable and share personal reflections on moments when their own hearts were strangely warmed. The episode begins and ends with Jenny reading the poem "Halfway There"...2024-02-1456 minRadical SacredAncestors with Rev. William H. Lamar IVIn this week's episode, Jenny and Phil discuss the importance of ancestors with Rev. William H. Lamar IV. They explore the role of ancestors in society, politics, and faith, as well as the fear associated with ancestor veneration. They explore the importance of facing and embracing our ancestral history, even the difficult and imperfect parts, emphacizing the need to avoid avoidance and shame, as they perpetuate generational trauma. By cutting off our connection to all of our ancestors, we become disconnected from ourselves, our bodies, the land, and each other.The conversation also highlights the role of disruption...2024-02-0759 minRadical SacredLberation Theology with Rev. Mitchell BooneThis week Jenny and Phil talk with Rev. Mitchell Boone about Liberation Theology. Never heard of Liberation Theology? You are in good company and this conversation will be a lively introduction to a potentially offensive understanding of theology.Rev. Boone is the Senior Minister at First United Methodist Church in Downtown Dallas and beloved friend of both Jenny and Phil. During this episode they discuss theologians such as:Gustavo GuitierrezJoerg RiegerJames Conebell hooksAnd reference books such as:A Theology of LiberationOn the Side of the PoorAs you listen to this week's episode here are...2024-01-3146 minRadical SacredReligious Trauma with Jessica BrazealJessica Brazeal is a Licensed Professional Counselor-Supervisor and serves as the Chief ProgramsOfficer at New Friends New Life as well as being co-owner of The Haven Wellness Center inDallas.In this episode Jessica graciously talks with Jenny and Phil about the topic of Religious Trama: what it is, what are some of the signs of trauma, and how we can begin to leave religious spaces that are harmful to us. Jessica asks the beautifully haunting question, "How do we begin to create our own spiritual path after religious trauma?"She...2024-01-2447 minRadical SacredStages of Change with Kelly SlavenThis week Jenny and Phil sit down with Kelly Slaven to discuss the Stages of Change. Kelly is a Licensed Clinical Social Working Supervisor and co-owner of The Haven Wellness Center in Dallas, TX. It turns out change is hard. And, as the saying goes, "the only constant is change," thus this week's episode takes a deep dive into the Stages of Change, specifically how we can understand change and use these stages to have a more grace filled response to ourselves and to others. In addition to breaking down the Stages of Change, Kelly reminds...2024-01-1743 minRadical SacredChristian MysticismWhat is mysticism? How is Christian Mysticism unique? What differentiates mysticism from a mystical experience. These are some of the driving questions Jenny and Phil explore as they talk through their own experiences and do their best to define that which feels undefinable. They reference mystics such as John O'Donohue and Mirabai Starr, and mention Harvey D. Egan's book An Anthology of Christian Mysticism and William James' book The Varieties of Religious Experience.If you have questions about Christian Mysticism or if you'd like to share your experiences that go beyond the rational, we'd love to...2024-01-1040 minRadical SacredThe Spirituality of BirdingIn this week's episode Jenny and Phil discuss the spirituality of birding. This isn't Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds, nor is it a hobby you've only heard your grandma talk about. This conversation is an invitation to reconnect with the wonders of nature and a look into the roots of Jenny and Phil's love of nature and the connection it holds to their fathers. If you are new to birding, or birding curious, Jenny and Phil mention an app that helps identify birds, that app is the Merlin app by Cornell and you can find out more about it here. 2024-01-0331 minRadical SacredHappy New Year and IntroductionsEnjoy this BONUS New Year's Day edition of the podcast.It's a new year and Jenny and Phil thought it would be a good time to actually introduce themselves. They also discuss a fantastic question for the new year from Brene Brown, "What will make me feel more alive? Braver?" Jenny ends with a beautiful poem from Megan Falley, "A Wish for the New Year."Happy 2024. Cheers to (re)connecting to our sacred roots in the new year.2024-01-0121 minRadical SacredThe Myth of Redemptive ViolenceThe stories we tell have great power. Some stories are factual, at least to the best of our memory. Other stories are true, but not necessarily factual, these stories reveal something about human nature, the way of the world/universe, or what Marcus Borg called the truth behind the truth. Then there are stories that we continue to tell and/or liveout. Stories that perpetuate harm. Stories that benefit a minority at the expense of the majority.They myth of redemptive violence is a story we, as humanity, have told for as long as we have been telling...2023-12-2748 minRadical SacredThe Mulberry TreeOn our first episode of Radical Sacred Jenny and Phil share how an encounter with a simple backyard mulberry tree invited us to remember our own sacred wisdom and deep belonging.When we pay attention to the expedient wisdom of the Mulberry Tree what could we learn about ourselves and the world around us?Remember, you are on sacred ground. Stay rooted!2023-12-1919 min