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LALAL.AI PodcastHow to Break Into Sync Licensing & Get Music PlacementsIn this episode of the LALAL.AI Podcast, we dive deep into the world of sync licensing and music placements — one of the most misunderstood parts of the music industry. Our guest shares how independent artists can turn their catalogs into income by working with production music libraries, the mindset needed to succeed, and the myths vs. realities of landing placements. From breaking into the business to navigating its ups and downs, this conversation is packed with insights for producers, songwriters, and musicians who want to explore sync as a real career path. Follow Jesse / Sync My Mus...
2025-09-1254 min
Sync GemsThe qualities you need to do great in sync (and in life) w/ Jesse JosefssonIn this interview Jesse Josefsson opens up about his journey in sync licensing, from his early days as a musician to becoming an educator who is actually qualified to teach (nearly 10,000 placements). Jesse shares how he transitioned from band life to sync licensing after seeing consistent financial returns. He emphasizes transparency in an industry often filled with misleading promises and discusses how the sync landscape continues to evolve with technology. Both Jesse and Roy highlight the importance of "persistency" (persistence and consistency combined) and taking full responsibility for one's career path. Jesse also reflects on how parenthood has taught...
2025-03-2836 min
The Make Music Income PodcastSpecial Episode: Eric and Steve Talk AI With Jesse Josefsson of Sync My MusicToday’s podcast is a rebroadcast of an upcoming video on SyncMyMusic with Jesse Josefsson. Jesse thought this info was so important, he wanted us to also share this info here on the podcast.
See this video when it comes out at: https://youtube.com/@SyncMyMusic
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2023-04-1733 min
The NoSleep PodcastNoSleep Podcast S18E23Tune in to Episode 23 of Season 18 for demented doctoring.
“Newborn Screening” written by Lisel Jones (Story starts around 00:00:00)
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Produced by: Phil Michalski
Cast: Doctor – Jake Benson, Mrs. Murray – Tanja Milojevic
“Grasshopper” written by Ellen Denton (Story starts around 00:04:50)
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Produced by: Phil Michalski
Cast: Narrator – Danielle McRae, Emily Linus – Kristen DiMercurio, Anna Linus – Mary Murphy
“Hands On” written by Gabrielle E. Josefsson (Story starts around 00:38:15)
Produced by: Phil Michalski
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2022-12-041h 12
The Make Music Income PodcastSpecial Episode: Long Form Sync Licensing Interview with Jesse Josefsson of Sync My MusicIn this interview Eric speaks to Jesse Josefsson, of Sync My Music about a variety of topics including his own music and business focuses, the Sync Licensing industry post-COVID, and much, much more including a Speed Round about his quick takes on a variety of sync-related topics.
Find out more about Jesse at SyncMyMusic.com or his YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClTplWVy34IWxzL-p_kxaGA
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Monday's Money Makers Podcast - https://spoti.fi/3Bali5f
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2022-08-091h 18
52 Cues - A Production Music and Sync PodcastKeeping It Real with Jesse Josefsson of Sync My MusicIf you’ve been digging around YouTube for Production Music resources for any length time, then I can almost guarantee you’ve come across Jesse Josefsson and the @Sync My Music YouTube channel. So I was super excited to be able to chat with him recently about his journey to production music, handling rejection, and the mentality you have to have for the long-haul that is the world of sync music.Plus, we talk a listen to "Cheeky Little Monkeys," a happy, quirky cue written by 52 Cues Community member, Mark Morgan-Shaw!Watch this episod...
2022-05-1955 min
I Wish I KnewExploring the $1B Sync Music Licensing Industry with Jesse JosefssonEver wondered about the intro and background music in TV shows, movies, commercials, and video games? There's a whole BILLION dollar industry behind it! This is also known as "sync license" and refers to an agreement surrounding the use of recorded music in any product involving the simultaneous use of music and moving images. Getting successful placement can come with huge exposure and can generate significant revenue through sync license fees and performance royalties.In this episode, Jesse Josefsson talks about his journey with his music career, how the industry works, the type of earning potential that...
2021-07-1951 min
Sync My MusicMusic Library Owner Reveals 'Holy Trinity' Of Licensable MusicMy guest this episode is A.J. Gundell, a 13-time Emmy award winning audio professional who created and operates Future Hits, a well established boutique Music Library. His company's placements include Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, HBO, Nike and many others. A.J. shares his insights as a Library owner as to how a composer/producer can really stand out and create a strong first impression with a Music Library.
2021-05-3135 minSync My MusicMeet The Producer Who Created The Sound Of Fox SportsToday I'm joined by an incredible producer with an amazing success story. Todd Andrew is a full-time sync licensing producer that has nailed many TV theme placements (most notably on the Disney Channel & Fox Sports). These placements have made Todd tremendously successful and today we're lucky to be able to hear how he did it!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2021-01-2930 minSync My MusicWhy I'm Cutting Out All NEWS CONSUMPTION In 2021I've decided to break a 12 year habit of heavy news consumption. Why? Because I'm tired of letting others decide what I should be focusing on. In 2021 I will decide for myself what I focus on. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-12-3127 min2020-12-0734 minSync My MusicEp. 52: How To Sound Expensive With A Limited BudgetLet's be honest - none of us have EVERY piece of gear we could dream about having in our home studio. So how can we make sure we're creating the highest quality music with our limited budgets? Today I have 4 tips that should help you start making the RIGHT choices for what you invest your money into. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-11-0626 minSync My MusicEp. 51: "Do I Really Have To...?" YES!In this episode I talk about the 4 most common questions I get that start with the phrase "Do I really have to...?" These are coming from producers who really want to make licensing their full-time income, but they're questioning how much work it's actually going to take to get there. (Spoiler alert: the answer to every single one of these questions is YES!)New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-10-3022 minSync My MusicEp. 50: Chat w/ SA Members about Sync Psych!This week I hosted a group chat with a few Sync Academy members to find out how the new Sync Psych Tutorials have been impacting their lives. Lots of great suggestions and insights to be heard in this week's show! (I apologize for my personal audio being too loud and little distorted - have some kinks to work out with our Zoom calls)New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-10-2346 minSync My MusicEp. 49: How Your Ego Can Help You WIN In Sync LicensingMost people think of the ego as a negative trait to overcome, as if it were some kind of character flaw. I don't see it that way. I think the ego can be used as a tool to help you when you need it! Listen to this week's episode as I dive into how your ego can become your most powerful asset!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-10-1623 minSync My MusicEp. 48: How 'Sync Psych 101' Is Already Working For Producers!My new course 'Sync Psych 101' is off to a great start. I've already received tons of feedback from members who have watched many of the included tutorials. Today I'm sharing with you the most interesting points of feedback and how Sync Psych is already helping hundreds of producers change their mindsets.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-10-0923 minSync My MusicEp. 47: The REAL Reason Producers Give Up on Sync LicensingAfter 4 years of educating producers about Sync Licensing, I've seen hundreds of them bail out of the business. The shocking thing is that it wasn't due to a lack of knowledge, work ethic or even talent! It was all due to a negative Mindset that had taken hold of their perspective. Today I'm excited to announce my newest Course that will attempt to break producers free from their fear and anxiety about succeeding in the Sync Biz.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-10-0222 minSync My MusicEp. 46: Top 5 Dumbest Pieces Of Advice I've HeardWith Sync Licensing being such a mystery to many people, there's a lot of DUMB advice being shared out there. Today I'm going to spell out the Top 5 that I think really do producers a disservice. Not only are these all totally wrong, they can actually do harm to a producer's reputation in this industry.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-09-2529 minSync My MusicEp. 45: What An Ideal Student of Mine Looks LikeToday I'm joined by Alan LoPresti, a talented producer who was able to secure 2 deals with Libraries he found through Sync Edge. This has resulted in 85 tracks being accepted along with securing 3 HBO trailer spots. Today you'll get to see how Alan's mindset was what allowed him to make such great progress early in his licensing career.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-09-1618 minSync My MusicEp. 44: Demand Your VALUE In Sync LicensingDo you know that you are ESSENTIAL to the entire Sync Licensing industry? It's true! Today I'm going to let you know how to make sure you protect your VALUE in this business instead of getting devalued by your Library partners. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-09-1126 minSync My MusicEp. 43: How I Got Fired From Scoring A FilmThis is NOT a story I wanted to revisit, let alone tell publicly. But I decided to share this story with you guys because I want you to know that I, too, have struggled with my confidence in this industry. I hope you find this episode reassuring. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-09-0423 minSync My MusicEp. 42: My BIG Personal News!Just wanted to share with you all some big changes that have been happening in my life. Next week we'll get right back to Sync Licensing topics 👍New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-08-2818 minSync My MusicEp. 41: Yes, The Sync Biz IS Too SaturatedWhy am I suddenly changing my opinion about the "over-saturation" of Sync Licensing? It's because I think I found a better way to inspire and motivate those producers who are worried about that. Hope you enjoy!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-08-2126 minSync My MusicEp. 40: SOLUTIONS For: "What If I Waste Years In This Biz For Nothing?"I've personally struggled a lot with this fear so this episode is certainly hitting close to home. If you're worried that all this time you are pouring into your Sync Licensing career might be just a big waste of time, think again...New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-08-1440 minSync My MusicEp. 39: SOLUTIONS For: "I Don't Have Enough Time To Make Music!"Feel like you never have enough time or energy to make music? I really challenge you to rethink that assumption - it's likely that you DO have a lot of flexibility in your daily schedule. In this week's episode we talk about some great hacks to squeezing out extra hours of productivity in your day (even with a full-time job & family!)New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-07-3158 minSync My MusicEp. 38: SOLUTIONS For: "My music has to be PERFECT before I submit it!"Are you always convinced your tracks aren't "perfect" yet? Worry no more! We've got the cure to this problematic thinking in today's episode...New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-07-2438 minSync My MusicEp. 37: SOLUTIONS For: "I'm afraid of succeeding in Sync Licensing"Are you worried that if you "make it" in Sync Licensing you'll have larger responsibilities to deliver consistently? Perhaps you're afraid of how others will treat you differently once you achieve your goals? These are all very normal and all included in the general fear of success that many producers feel. Today we dive into this tricky topic with some helpful solutions for you to move past them!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-07-1733 minSync My MusicEp. 36: SOLUTIONS For: "I'm worried that my music will be rejected"This week we're beginning a new series of episodes dedicated to the psychological/emotional aspects of attaining success in Sync Licensing. The fear of rejection is a HUGE barrier to success in this industry - so let's take it on head first!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-07-1039 minSync My MusicEp. 35: Most Profitable Type Of Music To Make + More!This week we answer some great questions from Sync Academy members including:What types of genres are the MOST Profitable? How has COVID impacted the Sync Licensing Business? What should you do with your hard drive full of tracks? And much more!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-07-031h 14Sync My MusicEp. 34: How To Avoid Getting "Ghosted" By Music LibrariesThis week you're going to learn some smart methods to minimize your risk of getting screwed over by a Music Library (yes, it can happen). Make sure you protect the hard work you've put into your music by implementing these simple tips!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-06-2635 minSync My MusicEp. 33: Great Questions From Sync Academy Members!This week I offered a LIVE 1 hour-long Q & A Video Chat with Sync Academy members. We had some great questions pop up so I wanted to make sure you all got to hear the answers!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-06-191h 10Sync My MusicEp. 32: How To Take Feedback On Your Music Like A ProHave you ever felt mad or uncomfortable when someone gave you critical feedback on your music? Good, that means you're a human being!Today we discuss the importance of being able to take critical feedback on our music as well as some personal stories to help not feel so alone when you're getting less than desirable feedback. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-06-1243 minSync My MusicEp. 31: How To Reduce Stress In These Chaotic TimesToday Mike & Trevor join me to talk about our tips and proven methods to reduce our own stress. With so many stressful issues going on in the world right now, consider this your 30 minute vacation for anxiety and stress!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-06-0536 minSync My MusicEp. 30: Sub-Publishers & Why You NEED ThemMike, Trevor & I discuss the value that Sub-Publishers have played in our lives, both as composers and as Library owners. You're going to want to partner with Libraries that have Sub-Publishers so that you can spread your reach for sync fees and royalties globally.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-05-2928 minSync My MusicEp. 29: Royalty Free vs. Production Libraries: Who Will Win?This week Trevor, Mike & I discuss the differences between the business models of a Royalty Free Library and a Production Music Library and how we feel the industry will evolve with those 2 models in the future.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-05-2232 minSync My MusicEp. 28: Top MISTAKES That Could Kill Your Licensing CareerAfter educating producers for 4+ years about the Sync Licensing business, I've started to notice the most common mistakes that are made. Make sure you listen to this week's episode to ensure you avoid these potentially career killing mistakes!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-05-1554 minSync My MusicEp. 27: Ethics In Sync Licensing - What You Need To knowTrevor & Mike join me once again this week to discuss the various ethical concerns you should be aware of in the TV/Film Sync Licensing business. Where you decide to draw your "line" is up to you, but our attempt with this episode is to make you aware of the power you DO HAVE in this business.
2020-05-0848 minSync My MusicEp. 26: How Sync Licensing Gave Me The Skills To Conquer LifeThis week Trevor & Mike join me to discuss more personal revelations about Sync Licensing careers as well as what our priorities will be moving forward.
2020-05-0155 minSync My MusicEp. 25: Everything BUT Sync LicensingThis is the first episode of the podcast where Trevor, Mike & I discuss everything EXCEPT Sync Licensing. Join us for this fun, unstructured chat!
2020-04-2444 minSync My MusicEp. 24: Music Library CEO Shows You How to Stand Out!Today I'm joined by Michael Thornton, CEO of Amphibious Music, to discuss what qualities he looks for in producers & composers. If you want to truly understand how a Library owner thinks then don't miss this episode!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-04-1728 minSync My MusicEp. 23: The Future Of Sync LicensingToday I'm joined once again by Trevor Lewallen & Mike Genato to talk about where we see some NEW opportunities arising for producers to get their tracks synced (and paid!).Now is the time to get educated on these emerging industries to learn how you might be able to serve them with your music. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-04-1055 minSync My MusicEp. 22: A Full Hour of Sync Licensing Q & AThis week I'm releasing the Live Q & A session I just held with Sync Edge members. There were a lot of great questions asked and I hope this session will inform you just a bit more about how to succeed with TV/Film Sync Licensing!Wanna join us for the next Live Q & A?Join Us In Sync Edge Today!
2020-04-0352 minSync My MusicEp. 21: What Brought Us To Sync Licensing?Today I'm joined once again by Trevor Lewallen & Mike Genato to talk about our origin stories getting into the Sync Licensing business. LAST CHANCE to join us in Sync Academy and be eligible to win the s61 MIDI Keyboard: Join Here.
2020-03-271h 04Sync My MusicEp. 20: How Coronavirus Will Affect Sync LicensingToday I'm joined by 2 Library owners (and composers) who give me their thoughts and insights for how the coronavirus situation has already impacted their businesses as well as what they see happening in the next 6-12 months.
2020-03-2056 minSync My MusicEp. 19: Insights From an 'A-List' Music SupervisorThis week I'm joined by heavyweight Music Supervisor Johnny Altepeter who's credits include projects such as Venom, Mary Poppins & Mortal Kombat 11. Johnny shares with us the various responsibilities he holds as a Supervisor as well as his best tips for success when trying to land those major A-list film, trailer & video game placements.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-03-1328 minSync My MusicEp. 18: The Little Details That Really MatterIn this week's episode I talk about the crucial importance of implementing a "Quality Control" process into your music workflow. This is how you're going to ensure that you become an "inner circle" member with a Music Library. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-03-0616 minSync My MusicEp. 17: Future of Sync Licensing w/ AI TechnologyThis week Shane Roberts of Amper joins me to discuss the AI composing tool his company has developed. We discuss the potential impacts of this technology in the world of Sync Licensing.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-02-2848 minSync My MusicEp. 16: "I Wish I Knew THIS About Sync Licensing"25 Year Licensing Producer Ken Vandevrie joins me to talk about the TOP TIPS we would give to anyone new to the business of Sync Licensing. These Tips can save you months, if not years, of agony and headaches in the Sync biz - don't skip this one!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-02-2145 minSync My MusicEp. 15: How To Avoid Being Sued When Using LoopsMike Genato, a composer and Music Library owner, joins me to discuss a legal issue his company is facing due to a loop taken from a popular loop/sample website. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-02-1431 minSync My MusicEp. 14: You're Not Alone In The Sync Business!This week I invite 3 Syndicate members to join me for the podcast to share their stories of how they get into the Sync Licensing industry as well as some of their most frustrating and difficult challenges throughout their journey.Just remember, no matter what you're going through or feeling at the moment in your career...you're not the only one that's been there (I promise!). New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-02-0747 minSync My MusicEp. 13: Who SHOULD Pursue Sync LicensingAs a follow up from last week's episode I talk about the traits that make a Music Producer a GOOD FIT for Sync Licensing. There are certain characteristics and personality types that tend to fit this niche segment of the industry better. Listen to this episode to find out if you have them!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-01-3138 minSync My MusicEp. 12: Who Should NOT Pursue Sync LicensingAfter working in this industry for 11 years and coaching producers for the past 4 years, I've gotten fairly good at picking out producers who are a "good fit" for Sync Licensing. That means I've also figured out who really isn't set up for success with Sync Licensing - today we'll discuss those traits. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-01-2434 minSync My MusicEp. 11: Major Cable Composer Reveals His ProcessRon Riddle has composed over 500 episodes for Discovery Networks as well as projects for A&E, National Geographic, History Channel, CBS & more. And lucky for us, he was willing to join me for an episode to discuss his process for keeping a long-running career in Sync Licensing. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-01-1736 minSync My MusicEp. 10: 2 Artists w/ 2 Different Paths in Sync LicensingThis week I consult 2 artists who are strategizing how they will succeed with Sync Licensing. I hope this conversion helps provide you with insight and guidance for how you may want to proceed in this business.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2020-01-101h 14Sync My MusicEp. 9: Should You Create Your Own Music Library?Is it a good idea to start your own Music Library? At what point in your licensing career would it make sense to do so? And what kinds of skills are needed to successfully operate a publishing company? This episode answers all of those questions!My guest this week, Mike Genato, is a producer who recently made the transition to Music Library owner. In this episode Mike shares his experience in creating his licensing company - the ups, downs & challenges he faced when stepping into the "business side" of the sync licensing business. New To...
2020-01-0347 minSync My MusicEp. 8: What Sync Academy Members Did In 2019To end the year I wanted to highlight some of the accomplishments that many Sync Academy members achieved in 2019. I'm very humbled to have provided a path, strategy & platform that has helped hundreds of producers get their first foot in the door of the Sync Licensing industry. Join Us In Sync Academy Today & Start The Next Decade Off With A Huge Jump Start On Your Licensing Career!
2019-12-2742 minSync My MusicEp. 7: Reduce Holiday StressThe Holidays are a wonderful, magical & STRESSFUL time of year (especially for musicians and producers). This week I wanted to share some tips I've used to almost entirely eliminate my stressors of the Holiday season. I hope this episode can help you reduce your stress as well!New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2019-12-2026 minSync My MusicEp. 6: 'Sync Summit' ReviewThis week Trevor Lewallen joins me to give an overview and review of our experience at the recent 'Sync Summit' event in Los Angeles. We discuss the Pro's & Cons (very few) of the event as well as what kind of artist/producer/songwriter we believe this conference would be the most useful for. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2019-12-1331 minSync My MusicEp. 5: 'Sync Summit' Panel on Production Music LibrariesJesse speaks on a 'Sync Summit LA' panel about the role that Production Music Libraries play in the Sync Licensing business. Other panelists include: Shane Roberts, Amper Music, Inc.Erick Gilbertson, Director of West Coast development, RNE AudioSinead Hartmann, VP, US, BMG Production MusicModerated by Mark Frieser, CEO, Sync SummitNew To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2019-12-061h 01Sync My MusicEp. 4: What's The Deal With Sync Agents?There are many people and companies offering to be your 'Sync Agent' to get you TV & Film placements. Are they legit? What does a Sync Agent do? What kinds of deals are fair? What are some red flags you should look out for when using a Sync Agent?My guest this week, Mark Frieser helps us understand all of these important issues. Mark is the founder of 'Sync Summit' which is an international conference focused on bringing together content creators, music supervisors, library owners & composers.I know that I learned a TON in this interview...
2019-11-291h 07Sync My MusicEp. 3: Trends In The Sync Licensing IndustryI bring on my first guest to the podcast, Trevor Lewallen. Trevor is an EDM & Hip Hop producer who has worked in the TV/Film licensing business for 11 years. He and I discuss all of the trends we've seen in the Sync Licensing industry including where we see the business moving in the future.New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2019-10-2845 minSync My MusicEp. 2: Music Supervisors vs. Music Libraries?Should you pitch directly to Music Supervisors or Music Libraries? In this episode I give you the approach that worked for me as well as the pros & cons of each. New To Sync Licensing? Enroll Now In My Free Music Licensing Course
2019-10-2134 minSync My MusicEp. 1: Why Sync Licensing?In this first episode, I explain why I've devoted my entire music career to Sync Licensing, including the major setbacks and periods of doubt I faced in my journey to making full-time income with my music. While making your full-time income from TV/Film Sync Licensing is very possible, it's certainly not easy. I created this podcast to tell my story for how I navigated the business well enough to be able to never have another day job again. I hope this podcast serves as a positive and encouraging force in your Sync Licensing career!
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