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Husband in LawDivorce Rule BookTH and Jessica met when Jessica started dating TH’s best friend from high school. They became fast friends. Not only that, their husbands were friends and while traveling, raising kids, and doing life together appeared to be perfect, something was not right in either of their relationships… And while the truth set them free, it was not an easy thing to navigate. Listen in as they share their story and how they are making it through all these things!ABOUT exEXPERTSAbove all else, exEXPERTS and the Divorce, etc… podcast provide honest, reliable, no-nonsense profes...2024-05-0141 minHusband in LawFree Retreat Spot for YOU?!You have probably heard me allude to it, but today, I am tackling it head-on. I have heard from women over and over again, "Jessica, I am feeling all the same things you are describing, but I didn't have a partner come out." Why is that? Is that weird? I am here to answer all your questions about why you are feeling all the same things. Let’s dive into how your experience may feel similar, even though it is different.It is time for intentional healing AND to figure out what you want when you “grow up”...2024-02-2134 minHusband in LawAre You Ready For This?Join Jessica as she spills the tea! Here's what is coming to the podcast over the next four months. Plus a host of things you do NOT want to miss out on.What Now After Betrayal Workshop Waitlist! https://theboldlogic.com/whatnowwaitlistRETREAT!!! There is only ONE spot left, and doors are closing SOON! Does it have your name on it? Email Jessica@theboldlogic.com to claim it!Get your FREE call with Jessica today, and let's get you feeling like YOU again! https://theboldlogic.com/callHave a question for...2024-01-0319 minHusband in LawOne Thing To Do Now For Next YearJessica here. I have been drifting this last 6 weeks. We have had a LOT going on, but I have been unable to figure out what I wanted to do when things settled. Then things settled, and I was not myself. I felt I was forcing something but also doing nothing... Weird dynamic to be in. Maybe you are in that now or have felt that way before. If so, I am dropping my best advice in today's episode. Let me know what you think!SHHH! Don't tell... I extended early bird pricing just for you! Claim your...2023-10-1820 minHusband in LawThe Story In My HeadJessica, Matt and Steve take on NYC! Matt and Steve are pissed at Jessica for it. Plus Steve gets hit by a car! Listen in to get the full story. Watch us on Tamron Hall! https://youtu.be/hCziaKoiVdIReady to let go of the story in your head that is keeping you stuck? Schedule a call with Jessica here. OR pick up your free workbook by clicking here. Have a question for Steve, Matt, or Jessica? Ask it here, and we will be sure to answer it in an upcoming episode. ht...2023-09-2732 minHusband in LawDown To Your ScibbiesIt just isn't fair! Is this how you are feeling right now in your relationship or in life? I am going to tell you something you aren't going to want to hear... Life isn't fair. It is never going to be fair. But you know what you can have in your relationship that feels even better than fairness? Listen in as Jess and Matt discuss what it is you are really looking for.Want to claim the last spot for Jessica's Group Coaching? Let's make sure it is the right fit for you by getting on a ca...2023-05-3122 min
We Should Talk About ThatGrowing Through Betrayal: A Story of Coming Out, Co-Parenting, and Reclaiming Our True Identity with Podcast Co-Host "Husband In Law" Jessica FrewSend me a Text Message about the show!Podcast co-host and betrayal coach, Jessica Frew, met her love in college, and they were married within a few months. Everything was easy breezy until two years into their wedded bliss, her husband came out as gay. They attempted valiantly to uphold their vows in a mixed orientation relationship, but it all came to a crescendo when Jessica learned her that her then husband had finally given in and had an affair with a man. This set them both off on a course they never thought they would...2023-02-0643 minHusband in LawSo Many Questions...You had questions and we have answers… Kind of. Haha! Okay we do answer your questions in this episode. Everything from finding a new community after coming out, to how pissed did Jessica and Steve get at each other during the “in between phases” of their relationship, to how did Steve and Jalen meet. BUT the thing we want you to know most is that we share what has worked for us. And while some of the same things might work for you, what is most important is that you do what feels right for you. Don’t be scared...2022-12-0758 minHusband in LawDenial At It's Best [Replay]In this episode, Jessica, and Steve will talk about their first year of marriage, having a blast in college. Jessica will then share the story of how she came upon Steve’s gay porn on the computer while he was away at work.Steve hadn’t yet come to terms with the fact that he was gay, and he was devastated by Jessica’s discovery. They will share all that transpired after that and it’s going to be an interesting story, so don’t miss it.Live Event Invite List! Tickets will be for sale for on...2022-08-1746 minHusband in LawSliquid Nitrogen? [Replay]In this episode, Stephanie May (we mentioned her in the last episode. Remember?) comes on to talk about how she introduced Steve and Jessica to each other. Steph will ask Steve and Jessica a range of questions just to get a better understanding of what really happened that led to their eventual divorce.It’s gonna be a hilarious one. You won’t wanna miss it.Retreat registration is open! Payment option available until July 25th! Claim your ticket at http:/theboldlogic.com/retreatGet your FREE Clarity Call with Jessica! These will only be...2022-07-2048 minHusband in LawCat Shoes And A Cake Fight [Replay]So, how did Steve and Jessica even meet in the first place?!In this episode, Steve and Jessica will dive into how they met and how their relationship developed - ultimately leading to their marriage. Through deliberate effort by Steve (he was admittedly intrigued by Jessica), they met back in college, and the story of how they got to the point where they got married and honeymooned in Victor, Idaho, is both funny and amazing, so you won’t wanna miss it.Curious about the cat shoes?! You'll need to listen in! 😂Retreat ticke...2022-07-0644 min
Thoughts on Thoughts100. Divorce and Co-Parenting with Jessica FrewIn this episode we welcome Jessica Frew to the podcast who is our definition of a powerhouse! She shares her story of divorce and betrayal trauma and how she is now navigating co-parenting with her ex-husband and current husband. She talks with us about what it means to her to be bold and how her life-altering experiences have shifted how she loves herself and others. We can't wait for you to hear from this amazing woman- thanks Jessica!
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Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/husband_in...2021-11-1050 minHusband in LawTake the WheelWho has a teen driver in the house?!We do! And this week we talk about all the things teenager-related. (How did we get here?! 😅)Other topics include:✨Matt's thoughts on Elder Holland's address to the BYU Staff (You can find Steve's and Jessica's response on IGTV.)✨Jessica's Basketball playing skills✨How we are doing with a teen driver. (I often find myself singing the "Jesus Take the Wheel Song")✨And last but not least how to help when you feel helpless.Want to pick up the shir...2021-10-2741 minHusband in LawDating Diaries Part 2 [Replay]In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive back into Steve and Jessica’s journal entries from the period when they had patched things up to try and give dating another try. They were each going through a very tough time because things were not working out as they had expected. They go back to June 10, 2012, when Steve was journaling about his spiritual struggles. He believed that he had lost connection with God due to his inability to stop pursuing a gay lifestyle, and he used to act out all the time to make himself feel bet...2021-09-1554 minHusband in LawDating Diaries - Part 1 [Replay]In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will take a deeper dive back into the time when Steve and Jessica were getting back together to give things another try, and each of them will pull up their journals and read through their six months of dating post-divorce period. Jessica will start by sharing a journal entry about how she and Steve passed by some of their friends in Colorado as they were heading back to Boise together, and how ballsy that was because she had just a few months before then passed by the same friends as s...2021-09-0156 minHusband in LawOklahoma - Part 2 [Replay]In this episode, Steve and Jessica will talk about the beginning of the end of their marriage, and how quickly it fell apart. - - - > Learn more at: https://linktr.ee/theboldlogic Additional Resources: Come hang out with us at our first in-person LIVE event. We can't wait to meet you! https://theboldlogic.com/hilliveAre you a Stepmom? Is being a Stepmom something that may happen in your near future? I have a FREE ticket just for you to the Stepmom Summit. Claim it here: https://thestepmomsummit.com/registration/?affiliate=jessica08212021-08-1838 minHusband in LawOklahoma [Replay]This was the time of the most turmoil and stress in Jessica and Steve's marriage. It was the breaking point. Steve had an affair with a man in hopes that it would shut down the gay side of himself, but the reality was quite the opposite. Learn more at: https://linktr.ee/theboldlogicAdditional Resources Come hang out with us at our first in-person LIVE event. We can't wait to meet you! https://theboldlogic.com/hilliveAre you a Stepmom? Is being a Stepmom something that may happen in your near future? I have...2021-08-0445 minHusband in LawBreakHey Guys, Jessica, Matt, and Steve here with a big announcement to make.Ever since we recorded our first episode of the Husband in Law podcast, we have really enjoyed the ride. We are grateful that you always tune in each week.Most importantly, we are humbled to know that we have helped many people with our perspective on issues such as coming out, divorce, and co-parentingWe are always happy to receive feedback from our listeners that a certain episode helped them navigate something big in their life.In order...2021-07-2133 minHusband in LawBe An Ally!Hey guys, Jessica here with a new episode. 🙌And today, Matt, Steve, and I are looking at ways straight, or cisgender people can be good allies to the LGBTQ community. 🏳🌈If you are wondering, an ally is someone who has privilege but chooses to stand for and with a marginalized community by taking tangible ongoing actions to dismantle systems of oppression. A good ally to the LGBTQ community chooses to love and support people with a different sexual or gender orientation than theirs and affiliate with them.So what does an ally look li...2021-06-1655 minHusband in LawShow GraceHi guys, Jessica here! Following on from last week's episode, Matt, Steve, and I continue our conversation about coming out. Steve shares his experience coming out and some of the lessons he learned, and things he could have done differently.One important piece of advice we talk about is why you should manage your expectations of the response you will get from people.The best way to go about this is to give people time and space to process the new information. Remember, this is affecting them as much as it is affecting y...2021-06-0946 minHusband in LawAre You Naked?Hey Guys, Jessica here with another exciting episode for you.This week, we start off with an embarrassing co-parenting story that recently happened when I was dropping Penny off at Steve’s house. You’ve got to listen to this one.June is Pride Month, and we thought we could give some advice on how to respond when somebody comes out to you.As Steve always says, somebody very close to you will come out at some point in your life, and how you respond in that instance will shape your relationship with that...2021-06-021h 00Husband in LawSummertimeHi everyone, Jessica here 🙌! And today, we're talking about making plans for the summer.Navigating summertime as a blended family can be a little stressful. We’ve had a lot of big moments in our co-parenting situation in the summertime.As we approach summer, we thought we could share our experiences and some of the things that have helped us out in this situation.One of the things we talk about in this episode is approaching summer with the right mindset. Some parents don’t want to make plans for their children because it look...2021-05-2649 minHusband in LawCopoazuHey guys, it's Jessica! And today, we're following up on the awkward situation from last week, because the best way to clear things up is to talk about it!!As you can see, good communication is pretty important to us, but last week, some things kind of got lost in translation.If you remember, we discussed some pretty heavy subjects, talked about boundaries, and about my marriage with Matt and our different ways of showing love. This led to a pretty awkward situation where Matt kept thinking that maybe I didn't feel safe w...2021-04-2143 minHusband in LawThat Didn't Go As Planned!Hi guys, it's Jessica! And in this week's episode, Matt, Steve, and I discuss the importance of setting boundaries! Or at least, we try to...But first, we start with a little catch up! I got my first COVID vaccine (YAY!), we talk about the time Matt had the flu in the beginning of our marriage (fun times), and Steve talks about his Zoom issues (he keeps having Zoom-related incidents and it’s getting out of hand!).Then we go on to discuss this week's subject: Boundaries. Specifically, the ones you have...2021-04-1434 minHusband in LawGo and Do GoodHi guys, Jessica here! Following on from last week's episode, Matt, Steve, and I continue our conversation about the church’s stance on LGBTQ people.But first, Matt starts by reading some of the reviews you're leaving us. We love hearing your feedback, it keeps us going, and truly helps us remember why we decided to share our story in the first place.We go on to discuss the responses we got after dropping last week's episode. To be honest, it was all a bit of a doozy! Some comments were great, and som...2021-04-0742 minHusband in LawGays in the ChurchHi there, it’s Jessica! And this week, Steve, Matt, and I discuss a topic we hold close to our heart: the church’s stance on LGBTQ people.But first, a little update! We start with welcoming Steve, who is back with us now after his COVID mishap, and he is healthier than ever! Hooray to that!We then go on to talk about the most fun subject you can discuss with your friends: funerals! And this is when we find out that Steve wants to be cremated when he dies, because who wants to spen...2021-03-3157 minHusband in LawThe Kid ConnectionHi there, it’s Jessica! In this week’s episode, Steve, Matt and I discuss our lives with our children, the ups and downs, and what we hope they know!We start with me (yay!) telling a story about Penny’s latest visit to the doctor. Always dreadful for a child, isn’t it? Steve and I also discuss Penny’s slight phone addiction (she’s really into playing Among Us these days) and how we’re trying to minimize her screen time!Matt jumps in on the conversation and we all discuss the many ways we’re try...2021-03-2450 minHusband in LawCasual EncountersThis week’s episode starts with Matt talking about his latest trip to Moab, which prompts Steve to discuss his and Jessica’s first trip to Moab, back when they had just gotten married, and tells all about their adventures there.Matt also touches on the change of dynamic with his ex-wife. He discusses their latest court hearing and its effect on their relationship.He goes on to talk about how he had to learn to set up hard boundaries, not only for his own sake, but for the sake of their kids as well.2021-03-1758 minHusband in LawSpace: the Final FrontierIn this week’s episode, Steve and Jessica discuss how they moved on after the end of their marriage and how different the process was for each of them.They also talk about how they had to take time for themselves to emotionally heal first before they were able to become friends and navigate and nurture their new relationship. They share how their divorce journey was different, and Steve discusses the difficult things he went through after the separation.Finally, Matt expresses how different his post-separation journey was and tells all about how he used th...2021-03-1044 minHusband in LawCreating a Life You LoveThis month is Jessica’s birthday month, and as always, she’s making it worth her while! So get ready, because in this week’s solo episode, you’ll learn all about Jessica’s birthday month traditions, how they started, and why she's not giving up on them any time soon. But that’s not the only thing she discusses in today’s episode! Jessica also shares how she created a life she loved after her divorce, even when she felt like everything was working against her. From teaching you how to show up for yourself t...2021-03-0331 minHusband in LawClosurePicking up from last week’s episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica talk about the end of Steve and Tommy’s relationship. It was one of Steve’s longest relationships and definitely not an easy breakup for him.They talk about the catalyst for the dissolution of that relationship and trying to hold it together for Pride weekend. Steve shares how he felt after it all ended and whether he got any closure at the end. They also touch on Penny’s feelings during it all and how it taught her the lesson of impermanence. Finally, the three...2021-02-2438 minHusband in LawPenny's BaptismThis week, Steve, Matt, and Jessica discuss Penny's baptism and the emotions surrounding this event in her life.Jessica and Steve weren't sure what Penny's involvement in the church would look like. With Steve choosing to leave the church when Penny was a baby, they both agreed to let her decide how active she would be in an effort not to sway her in any direction.When Penny chose to be baptized, she was wholly supported, but it brought some emotions and tensions. Steve was reminded that he wouldn't be a part of this big...2021-02-1749 minHusband in LawThe New BoyfriendDating after divorce can be tough. In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica talk about Steve’s longest relationship since his marriage.Steve shares how he met Tommy and reveals why their relationship wasn’t the best fit. The pair got along very well, but Steve started to realize that their lifestyles just weren’t compatible. As a single parent, Steve’s schedule is often hectic and filled with activities, and his partnership with Tommy seemed to suffer due to the demands of life. He discusses the breakup and what he’s learned from that relationshi...2021-02-1041 minHusband in LawYou are GoodThis week's episode is a little different. Jessica is on the mic sharing her thoughts on how leaders can inadvertently lead us to feel shame. Recently, Jessica was working on a weekly bible study and was taken aback by the lesson's message. Instead of uplifting her, it had the opposite effect and reinforced some of the negative ideals we put on women.In so many ways, women are fighting an uphill battle when it comes to issues of equality. Today, Jessica discusses her perspective on some of the points brought up in her bible lesson a...2021-02-0346 minHusband in LawBall DropMatt, Jessica, and Steve discuss how they make it through the rough times and offer some tips that may help you!But first, they spend some time talking about going “viral” on Instagram, reminisce on some of their “first time” experiences, and finally recap this most recent holiday season.If you’ve been listening to the past few episodes, then you know they’ve been covering Matt’s custody issues with his kids. Those experiences have caused an immense amount of stress and have certainly been a challenge to overcome. Matt shares how he’s coped and...2021-01-2041 minHusband in LawGolden NuggetHappy new year, everyone! We are so thankful to start off 2021 with you all and looking forward to the great things to come. This week, Matt and Jessica discuss goals vs. intentions and how to be successful in setting goals. Many of us start the year with our hopes for what we want to change and accomplish. Matt and Jessica share their goals for the upcoming twelve months and the energy they’ll be bringing into it.They also cover the differences between goals and intentions and how to implement both for the best outcomes. Jes...2021-01-0629 minHusband in LawShop With a CopThis week, Matt, Steve, and Jessica keep things light and answer some questions you guys may have had from previous episodes.They share what it’s like to put personal details about their life out in the open and revisit the conversation from last week. Matt describes Jack’s perspective on his custody issues with Ann. Jessica tells the parameters they’ve implemented in their interactions with Ann and how she and Matt struggled during this time in their relationship. Jessica needed Matt to know her worth if they were going to continue in their relationship.Fina...2020-12-2338 minHusband in LawCold LunchThis week, Steve, Jessica, and Matt discuss more of the issues they faced navigating Ann's custody arrangement.It seems the constant lesson to be learned through this season of Matt and Jessica's life is boundary setting. In this episode, Matt and Jessica are back into a routine with the kids but continually deal with the stress of having Ann's frequent interference. Jessica is accused of withholding food from the kids, leaving her hurt and frustrated. She struggles with determining where she should set her boundaries and the decision of what caretaking responsibilities make the most s...2020-12-1644 minHusband in LawKid Exchange Take TwoThis week, Matt, Jessica, and Steve pick up where they left off last week on their story about Ann’s restraining order against Matt.During the whole custody fiasco, Matt got a knock on the door from the police. Ann had accused Matt of domestic violence and requested to have a restraining order put on him. This resulted in an incredibly tumultuous several weeks for the entire family as they went back and forth, trying to handle the situation best.Tune into this week’s episode to hear how it affected each member and the ulti...2020-12-0946 minHusband in LawTime for a Little BreakLife has been pretty stressful and hectic recently, so Matt, Steve, and Jessica decided to do some boundary setting and take a break for the next two weeks. Matt’s business keeps him and Steve very busy, and Jessica has been in quarantine as she recovers from COVID. They thought it’d be best to take a little break and reenergize themselves so they can bring their best selves back on December 2nd for the next episode. In the meantime, tune in for details on Jessica’s upcoming lessons and have a very happy Thanksgiving!Hig...2020-11-1811 minHusband in LawLife Isn't FairMatt and Jessica thought that buying a home would be an opportunity for a fresh and positive start. What ended up happening was Ann coming after Matt for more child support because in her mind it wasn’t fair that he was able to take that next step.This led Matt and Jessica needing to get really clear on their boundaries as they navigated the storm to come. They struggled to agree on custody terms as well as what school the kids should go to. Because of the custody arrangement, the kids had a hectic schedule. T...2020-11-1144 minHusband in LawMatt's A DivaDon’t give your time to people who make you cry on the playground.This week we are tackling the importance of setting boundaries! Steve talks about quitting his job and his new career working with Matt’s company, Ship Zoom. They all muse on this new and exciting dynamic, and Matt explains his initial hesitation with bringing Steve on the team.Jessica talks about her upcoming training on setting boundaries. She tells a story when a close friend confronted her to tell her she should leave her marriage with Matt. She explains her thoughts and...2020-11-0440 minHusband in LawMoving Out Moving OnThis week, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss some of the trials that can come up with co-parenting.Matt and Jessica share their experience helping Ann move out and get an apartment for herself and the kids. They describe their hopes that showing support would help strengthen their relationship with her. And for a while, it did until miscommunication got in the way and disrupted the progress they were making. Jessica explains the catalyst of that divide, and the three of them talk about trying to figure out better ways to communicate in a co-parenting situation. ...2020-10-2844 minHusband in LawHe's back...In this episode, Steve, Matt, and Jessica talk about how Steve and Sebastien decided to get back together and give their relationship another try.Steve could never quite get over Sebastien after they first broke up. He struggled to date anyone else for three years as his heart still very much belonged to him. The second time around, it became incredibly clear that they just weren’t the right match.Steve reveals some of the issues in the relationship and the growth he endured during that time. Listen to this week’s episode to learn more...2020-10-2144 minHusband in LawJess and AnnThis week, Matt, Steve, and Jessica go over the timeline of Jessica and Ann’s relationship. The beginning of their relationship was pretty promising, and they got along quite well. Jessica discusses what she did to keep the relationship positive and as happy as possible.She explains what it was like to let her guard down around Ann and their growing relationship. They also cover the moment the relationship began to dissolve and what the aftermath of that has been like.The three offer an opinion on handling complex interpersonal relationships and what things to ke...2020-10-1440 minHusband in LawRed FeatherThis week, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss Matt and Jessica buying a home together, and Matt and Jessica’s dinner with Jack and Ann.Buying a home was a pivotal moment in Jessica and Matt’s relationship. They struggled a lot during the early years of their marriage and questioned whether they would even stay together. The home signaled a unifying moment between them that they were hopeful of sticking together and acted as a commitment to working together. One of the issues they tackled was dealing with communication issues with Matt’s ex, Ann...2020-10-0747 minHusband in LawDisciplinary CouncilYou might remember Jessica, Matt, and Steve discussing this in previous episodes. It's the meeting Steve had with the bishopric council to decide how he moved forward in his relationship with the church and Jessica. At this point, he still had hope that they could be together as he was unwilling to accept himself fully. A disciplinary council meeting is conducted when a church member has sinned in a way that the church feels they need to be sat in front of a council of priesthood holders. The goal is to figure out how much discipline needs t...2020-09-3047 minHusband in Law...ThreeIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica pick up where they left off last week regarding Hank's situation. Matt was surprised when Ann told him they were going to reveal the truth to Hank. He thought he had a couple of more years to plan the conversation that he wasn't Hank's biological father rather than just a few days.They talk about how Matt prepared for that potentially life-altering conversation and how it went and the aftermath. They also discuss the questions and concerns that arose and how Hank dealt with the news. Je...2020-09-1642 minHusband in LawConversation 1, 2, and...In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss when things really started to fall apart with Ann, Matt, and Jessica.Co-parenting can be incredibly difficult. Especially when the parents involved struggle to communicate effectively. Matt and Jessica know this first hand in their experiences with Matt’s ex-wife. In previous episodes, they’ve alluded to the challenges that have come up, as a result, particularly involving Matt’s son Hank. They talk about the blowup fight Matt had with Ann over whether Hank would continue to go to church or even spend time at his Dad’s h...2020-09-0937 minHusband in LawDon't Be AfraidIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica interview the Poor Bishop from last week's episode, Jerry Sturgill. Jerry has played a prominent role in each of their lives and encourages them to live boldly in all that they do. Today, he is sharing his viewpoint on the events of Steve and Jessica's relationship, and Matt and Jessica's. If you remember from last week, Jerry was the catalyst in Matt and Jessica finally facing their relationship problems. At his suggestion, they wait to seal their marriage in the temple until they had their issues sorted out. Th...2020-09-0250 minHusband in LawPoor BishopIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss the time Jessica decided to leave Matt. They examine the nature and complexities of entering a second marriage.About a year after their marriage, they decided it was time to get sealed in the church. But at the time, they were going through some serious marital strain. Jessica felt as if Matt didn’t really care if they were together and struggled to connect with him. Matt was still actively dealing with the pain from his first marriage and had issues separating his first wife from his new relationship wi...2020-08-2653 minHusband in LawBiracial and BlendedIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica have a conversation with Chelsie Dort. Chelsie runs a popular blog and Instagram account dedicated to all things related to family life. Her content often refers to her experiences, raising a blended and biracial family.Chelsie’s oldest child is from her first marriage and youngest three from her current one. Unfortunately, though her first marriage ended due to infidelity, she does not regret the experience at all. Through that challenge, she was able to learn so much about herself. Growing up in Utah, Chelsie was raised in a p...2020-08-1956 minHusband in Law£25In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve discuss the importance of sticking to your guns. It can be difficult to adhere to your values as a parent especially when they’re continually being challenged. There are always challenges to overcome when raising a blended family. The influence of multiple parental figures can present new obstacles and modes of communication. Jessica reflects on a time she felt she didn’t stick to her guns and dealt with intense guilt over it. When their blended family was in the early days of bonding, Jessica and Matt would often...2020-08-1240 minHusband in LawGood GameIn this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve talk about their experiences with Steve introducing his new boyfriend to them. Navigating their unique relationship continues to present interesting scenarios in each of their lives. The dynamic Steve, Jessica, and Matt share is undoubtedly fascinating. They tend to be reminded of this whenever inviting anyone new into the fold in the form of relationships. Though he is happy to have such supportive friendships with Jessica and Matt, Steve has often been apprehensive about introducing new partners to them. They spend time unpacking why that is in this episode.2020-08-0544 minHusband in LawSomething Had To ChangeIn this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve discuss Steve’s recent encounter with harassment at his work. A guest at his hotel spoke in a derogatory manner to one of the staff, which led to Steve confronting the guest and kicking him out. The guest used slurs against Steve, which led to how people are treated based on appearance. As a gay man, Steve is often the subject of attention, and sometimes it can be negative. The three of them muse on the instances when it isn’t negative and how he is often given more compliments due t...2020-07-2945 minHusband in LawYou is Important...In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss dive into why it was so hard for Jessica the first few years of our marriage. They start breaking down some of Matt's false beliefs and the stories he was telling himself about why he couldn't show up for her. Matt and Jessica describe the hardships of the early years of their marriage. For Matt, he dealt with a lot of security issues and spent those years testing the waters of their relationship. To navigate those years, Jessica often confided a lot of her own fears to Matt and h...2020-07-1549 minHusband in LawFancy DinnerIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica discuss the ups and downs of co-parenting and how to keep your relationship healthy. It all starts with Steve’s story witnessing a custody battle (over a dog) while at work and leads into each of their own experiences with splitting custody.Matt and Jessica describe the interesting situation they are in dealing with two custody situations on each end of the spectrum. Jessica explains what she’s had to learn along the way as a new stepparent and how to help raise and be an example for kids that aren...2020-07-0847 minHusband in LawBlow Up GiganteIn this episode, Jessica, Matt, and Steve move through their timeline of Matt and Jessica’s relationship. They talk about how their relationship created new roles for Matt in the church and how he struggled to find his place in it during this transition with Jessica.Before Matt and Jessica started dating, Matt served the church as a Sunday school teacher. He was moved to the role of executive secretary of the ward after they met. In this role, Matt assisted the Bishop with scheduling and planning. He talks about being selected for the role all while fe...2020-07-0143 minHusband in LawJealousyIn this episode, Steve, Jessica and Matt discuss jealousy and how it gave them perspective on the changes that were happening not only in their lives, but the lives of their ex’s and their children.Matt and Jessica’s new beginning meant a new normal for their children too. They talk about teaching their children that it is okay to show your step-parents the same amount of love they show their biological parents and vise-versa. It's a complicated topic that can vary based on each family's circumstances.For Penny, she wanted a close relationship with...2020-06-1747 minHusband in LawSonderIn this episode, we are talking about the meaning of the word sonder, the realization that everyone has a life as complex as one's own. It’s a timely way of thinking as we all reflect on how we are showing up in our countries current climate.This year has been a tough one. It has been a year of economic setbacks and, as of recently, a movement for change. Jessica begins this episode reflecting with Steve and Matt on today’s cultures and their sense of responsibility to understand the crusade for change and reflect on how...2020-06-1036 minHusband in LawOne Year Down - So Much Greatness To ComeThis episode marks the one year anniversary of Husband In Law. Steve, Jessica and Matt thank their listeners for following their story and share some of their favorite moments recording.Taking the first step and deciding to start a podcast wasn’t an easy decision. Jessica has mentioned before that she felt a calling to help make a difference in people’s lives. For her that calling led to this podcast. Steve struggled with sharing his story and worried about the criticism he thought he would receive. Ultimately, he decided that other people’s opinions were not as imp...2020-06-0344 minHusband in LawThe Grand AdventureIn this episode, Jessica talks about her trip to the Grand Teaton and how the vacation turned out to be a giant hurdle emotionally and physically. The beginning of Jessica and Matt’s marriage has been the topic of the last few episodes. Jessica and Matt have been struggling to have the open conversations they need work through the transition of a second marriage.This week, Matt and Jessica reconnect at the state fair after Jessica searches for clarity at the top of the Grand Tetons. She starts the episode with a journal entry from the trip. Sh...2020-05-2745 minHusband in LawSeven Hours Of SilenceIn this episode, Jessica Matt and Steve continue their conversation about the early days of Matt and Jessica’s marriage. In previous episodes, Matt talks about immense responsibility settling in after the wedding. He was struggling to open up to Jessica about his feelings and it came off seemingly distant and less interested in the relationship.The three talk more about those feelings while focusing more on how the hesitation impacted Jessica. One of the first noticeable changes was Matt no longer wanted to have another child with Jessica. He worried how it would affect their children th...2020-05-2053 minHusband in LawCheck PleaseIn this episode, Matt opens up about how financial stress weighed on him in the beginning of his marriage with Jessica. Debt accumulation from his past relationship put up a temporary wall with new experiences with Jessica. They get on the subject when Steve starts a conversation about his involvement in Jessica buying a new car. He shares how he still felt a responsibility for Jessica’s well-being after their divorce and wanted to be there for her, including with finances. He brings up that he and Jessica even shared a credit card a year into her and Matt’s ma...2020-05-1345 minHusband in LawSteve's Big DayIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into the night of their wedding and what Steve did. Steve will start off by hilariously talking about how that day was “a great milestone” in his life because he had just given away his ex-wife. He left the wedding feeling like a huge burden had been lifted from him and the feeling was actually similar to what he felt the day he rode his bike away from Jessica after they had officially ended things. After that he had to redo his apartment with a friend of his because it had...2020-05-0646 minHusband in Law47: Going To The ChapelIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk all about the week before Matt and Jessica got married. Jessica will talk about how empowering her bachelorette party was because of all the awesome things she got to experience like learning how to pole dance and lap dance. Matt on the other hand doesn’t remember much of his bachelor party except that they went long-boarding, because he had to go to Ann’s house after she called him and asked him to go pick up their kids because her husband had physically abused her.He considered call...2020-04-2251 minHusband in Law46: Weird Activities In the Living RoomIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will continue their conversation on how dating was like for Matt and Jessica before they got married. They will dive into the subject of love languages, which refer to how different people love each differently. Jessica will explain how she is comfortable with her weird mix of love languages because everyone in her life loves her in their own unique way and she appreciates it. Matt’s love language towards Jessica for example, includes him understanding the importance of accepting Steve as part of their lives because he’s always known what Stev...2020-04-1554 minHusband in Law45: Steve's Dirty LaundryIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about how dating was like for Matt and Jessica before they got married. They’ll start off the episode by sharing how they’re all doing with social distancing and "sheltering in place" due to the global Coronavirus pandemic. Things have been out of balance for Steve because all he’s been doing is work (working a ton of hours because they laid off 12 out of their 17 employees) and self quarantine at home alone which makes him feel the loneliness of being single. Penny on the other hand has been doing...2020-04-0855 minHusband in Law43: Neverending StoryIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will be talking about Matt’s dating life right after his divorce was finalized. He has been going through a very rough divorce because his ex-wife had insisted that she would be the one to file the divorce papers, and she dragged it on for more than a year and a half during which time Matt was going through the dry spell of the century. He wanted to start dating, and he weirdly expected lippage (making out) on the first date with the first person he would date, but his mom advised ag...2020-03-2544 minHusband in Law42: Groped At The Gay ClubIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into Steve’s dating life right after him and Jessica ended things, and they’ll start off the conversation with an interesting discussion on the type of guys he’s attracted to and likes to date. Right after ending things with Jessica for good, Steve dated Sebastian and after that too was over, he got into the dating scene in Boise. He had a bit of a rough time in the beginning because, as he later learned, he wasn't meeting the expectations of most of the guys who were interested in him...2020-03-1841 minHusband in Law39: BeardIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will chat about when it is the right time for someone to introduce whomever they’re dating to their kids, especially when they’re in a co-parenting/blended family arrangement. Jessica feels that the way to handle that is very personal and depends on the unique situation one is in. In her own experience, when she dated someone she would sometimes introduce him to Penny right away, but the one thing that she applied with every one of them including Matt (even after they were married), was that she was very cautious to n...2020-02-2643 minHusband in Law38: Hit and Quit ItIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into why Steve and Sebastian’s relationship didn’t work out and discuss how dating went for Jessica. A lot of listeners have been reaching out to the trio about why Steve and Sebastian are not together, and so they will go into a journal entry that Steve had written about what went wrong with the relationship.Steve and Sebastian met while Steve was still married to Jessica and it was an intense on/off relationship all through, up until Steve and Jessica separated. They kept seeing each othe...2020-02-1947 minHusband in Law37: StarfishIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will interview Melanie Parrish Anderson about her book, "Lessons Learned from the Starfish." Melanie, who also happens to be Matt's aunt, is an exceptional teacher. She began her teaching career 25 years ago in kindergarten and Title One Math. After seven years, she transferred to second grade where she really got the opportunity to really positively impact her students lives.Melanie graduated from Idaho State University with a B.S. in Elementary Education and a B.A. in Early Childhood Education. She is the mother of two amazing children, the step-mom...2020-02-1257 minHusband in Law36: Enter MattIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about how Matt came into everybody's life. They recently attended a winter carnival in McCall with all their kids, and they will talk about how much fun they had there, Steve especially, who Jessica and Matt had not seen having that much fun in a long time. They will then take a trip down memory lane and talk about how they first met. It was when they found themselves in the same church ward and Matt was actually the one who noticed Steve and Jessica.At a church...2020-02-0544 minHusband in Law35: Q&AIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will start the show off by answering questions from their listeners, starting off with one that was sent to Steve about whether Matt contributes to the co-parenting of Penny between Steve and Jessica. They will dive into the fact that even though Steve and Jessica are primarily responsible for the parenting of Penny, Matt has a great parent-child relationship with Penny, and Penny knows to always respect Matt no matter the situation. The three have never really had a conversation about what Matt’s parental place should be because they’ve never seen...2020-01-2942 minHusband in Law34: Dating Diaries Part 2In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive back into Steve and Jessica’s journal entries from the period when they had patched things up to try and give dating another try. They were each going through a very tough time because things were not working out as they had expected. They go back to June 10, 2012, when Steve was journaling about his spiritual struggles. He believed that he had lost connection with God due to his inability to stop pursuing a gay lifestyle, and he used to act out all the time to make himself feel better even th...2020-01-2252 minHusband in Law33: Dating Diaries - Part 1In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will take a deeper dive back into the time when Steve and Jessica were getting back together to give things another try. They will each pull up their journals and read through their six months of dating post-divorce period. Jessica will start by sharing a journal entry about how her and Steve passed by some of their friends in Colorado as they were heading back to Boise together, and how ballsy that was because she had just a few months before then passed by the same friends as she was heading to...2020-01-1554 minHusband in Law32: Dirty HotelIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will rewind to the point in time when they were all divorced but didn’t know each other yet. Matt’s divorce from Ann has just been finalized, and Steve and Jessica had also just gotten divorced, and they were all looking to get into the dating scene. Jessica was the first to start dating and was actually hooked up with a guy she used to work with when she was married to Steve. She went out with him twice, and then dated his roommate twice too before calling it quits with both...2020-01-0851 minHusband in Law31: Cutting TiesIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk to Roxanne Kennedy Granata, author of the amazing book "Cutting Ties", where she shares her story of healing through the trials of sexual betrayal, fighting to save her marriage, divorce, and rebuilding her life. Not only does she share her personal story, but she also offers hope to all women so that they can heal no matter what happens to their marriage.Many couples who work through recovery from sexual addiction, pornography addiction, and betrayal trauma end up staying together, but in Roxanne’s case, she had to co...2020-01-0150 minHusband in Law30: Skid MarksIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about the Christmas traditions that they’ve had that have changed over the years. Matt shares that he and Ann never really came up with some Christmas traditions because they were together only a few years. He talks about how they went to garden glow when they met during the Christmas holidays and explains why he ended up hating garden glow so passionately.They will then dive into Steve and Penny’s December traditions, starting with Tuba Christmas where they go to a Tuba music event. They follow that...2019-12-2637 minHusband in Law29: Home For The HolidaysIn this episode, Steve and Jessica will finish the story of their first Christmas after they separated and then dive into the cliffhanger question that has so far remained unanswered. Jessica and Matt will talk about what Thanksgiving was like, and describe how they celebrated Fake Christmas (Black Friday). They actually went all out and did the stockings, gingerbread houses, the whole nine yards.Steve will also share how he spent his Thanksgiving in San Diego visiting some museums and going to the beach. Back to 2011 when Steve and Jessica got divorced, it was the holidays and...2019-12-1847 minHusband in Law28: The AftermathIn this episode, Steve and Jessica will share what life was like for each of them during their separation. They will reminisce about how they spent their Thanksgiving that year, and talk about their cooking skills, or lack thereof for Steve. When they separated Jessica was in Boise living in their old house and working with a lawyer on their divorce papers, while Steve was in Oklahoma.Even though it was emotionally challenging for them to spend time together, Steve would always make sure he came up every third weekend or so to see Penny and spend...2019-12-1150 minHusband in Law26: Attitude of GratitudeIn this episode, in the spirit of Thanksgiving, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about gratitude and how it plays into our individual lives and things that we're grateful for, as well as how it plays into relationships. They will start off by each sharing what they’re most grateful for and Steve will talk about being grateful for him and Penny being alive after the slight accident they had on the road when they hit a deer.Matt will talk about being grateful for family, the relationships that he has with his family members. and the su...2019-11-2646 minHusband in Law25: Be BoldIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about Jessica’s book and journal, and specifically the journal. It’s called the Boldology Journal and it’s aimed at helping people determine where they have issues in their lives so they can work towards being happier and more fulfilled.They will talk about the part of the previous episode where Steve’s sister was present that they didn’t air because she didn’t feel comfortable about it being aired. Even though that episode would have helped a lot of people, Steve’s sister was worried that it would...2019-11-2050 minHusband in Law23: I Am Laughing At You, Not With YouIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into Matt’s backstory and where he’s at with his relationships. They’ll start off by reading a few great reviews from some of their rabid listeners and then get into the nine months that Matt was separated from his ex-wife before they eventually got divorced.Matt will get vulnerable and share what he went through when he found out that she was unfaithful, how people around him speaking out about it after the fact helped him get closure, and what it was like for their kids. It was...2019-11-0745 minHusband in Law22: OhanaIn this episode, Matt, Steve and Jessica will bring Steve’s sister Suzi onto the show to share her perspective during the time Steve was coming out and during Jessica and Steve's divorce. Steve and Suzi start off by sharing their fondest memories of each other when they were growing up.They will then dive into Suzi’s side of things about Steve and Jessica’s marriage and how it progressed up until when Steve told her that the marriage wasn’t in a good place. It’s gonna be a super fun story. Enjoy!Highlights...2019-10-3047 minHusband in Law21: Giving And Receiving SupportIn this episode, Matt and Jessica go along with Steve in a self-exploration process to understand a little bit more about the time he just came out of the closet with his family and why he felt so incapable of receiving support from his loved ones?For Steve, coming out of the closet in front of his parent and his church was one of the most difficult experiences ever and so, in the anticipation of him been rejected by pretty much everyone he knew, started to isolate from his loved ones despite the various demonstrations of support...2019-10-2347 minHusband in Law20: Playing Catch UpIn this episode, Steve and Jessica will open up about what happened when Jessica and Penny went to Steve’s parents’ house where everyone, including Steve’s siblings, was waiting to stage an intervention to find out how they could support Steve.Steve was not okay and could not see his self worth, and Jessica knew he needed to be loved by his family members, so she made sure they knew everything that they needed to know and do. Listen in as they share the heartwarming events of that period in time when family and friends were reacti...2019-10-1643 minHusband in Law19: The Long Drive HomeIn this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will start off by sharing some of the numerous awesome reviews they’ve received on iTunes and Steve will share his deep concerns about the issue of gay people who are afraid to come out choosing to commit suicide.Steve and Jessica will then talk about the period when they officially split and Jessica moved away from Oklahoma with Penny.Before the move, the two of them, Penny included, had had dinner with Sebastian... the guy Steve had cheated with.You won’t wanna miss this one...2019-10-0938 minHusband in Law18: Oklahoma - Part 2In this episode, Steve and Jessica will talk about the point at which their marriage finally ended and the events that led to that. It all started when they moved to Oklahoma and living in a hotel before they could move into their new house, and Steve cheated with a guy he met.He expected to be repulsed by the whole experience, but he ended up embracing it, and he had to tell Jessica about it so she could help him move forward with their marriage. Eventually, Steve couldn’t stop contacting the guy which led to th...2019-10-0245 minHusband in Law17: Who's Toby...In this episode, Matt, Steve, Jessica will pick up where they left off on the previous episode, talking about how Steve and Jessica progressed in Colorado Springs.They’ll dive into Jessica’s creativity side hustle while Steve was away at work and what it was like for him to slowly come out as gay to people - including the “Same-Gender Attraction Group”.Then comes Toby......The Volkswagen bus they used to have, and how it made Steve feel more masculine.Tune in to find out why Steve named the bus Toby and...2019-09-2552 minHusband in Law16: Goal DiggerIn this episode, Steve will share his experience with wanting to get the love and support of his loved ones when he came out, and how that applies to relationships in general. Matt and Jessica will share their thoughts on that and dive into how it affects people.They will also talk about their long and short term goals, and how important it is for someone to sit down and write out their goals so they can hold themselves accountable to accomplishing them. Tune in to learn how you can set your goals for overall success in...2019-09-1840 minHusband in Law15: The Time Is Always RightIn this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will talk about relationships and how difficult they can be to build. Jessica and Steve will share the ups and downs they went through in developing their relationship when they were married, up to the point they’re at now.It’s going to be a super interesting story of the good and bad times they had all through their marriage, and how they relate with each other now. Enjoy!Highlights of the discussion:Why we should avoid anger in relationships (01:23)The time Jessica threw her phone at S...2019-09-1136 minHusband in Law11: Disc Golf Anyone?In this episode, Matt shares the rest of his story and dives into his open-mindedness about Steve and Jessica’s relationship. With Jessica and Steve’s contributions, they talk about how important that is and the impact it has had on each of them.Matt talks about his marriage to his ex-wife and what it was like, and all the ups and downs he went through in that marriage. This is gonna be a great listen, you won’t wanna miss it.Highlights of the discussion:Was Steve being judgemental of Matt? (00:55)The way to tre...2019-08-1455 minHusband in Law10: Folding LaundryIn this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will share part two of their conversation with Natalie Hodson on her Pulling Back the Curtain Podcast. They will dive into everything from religion, divorce, and dating, with each one sharing their own personal experiences on those topics, while Natalie will talk about how she is making all types of relationships work in her life.Matt, Jessica and Steve will also talk about their very atypical relationship and how they co-parent together while maintaining the utmost respect for each other. This episode will be very beneficial to you no matter...2019-08-0740 minHusband in Law09: Religion, Divorce, And DatingIn this episode, Matt, Jessica and Steve will share the conversation they had with Natalie Hodson on her Pulling Back the Curtain Podcast. They will talk about everything from religion, divorce, and dating, with each one sharing their own personal experiences on those topics.Matt, Jessica and Steve will also talk about their very atypical relationship and how they co-parent together while maintaining the utmost respect for each other. This episode will be very beneficial to you no matter what relationship situation you are in, so listen in.Highlights of the discussion:The coolest...2019-07-3137 minHusband in Law06: Denial At It's BestIn this episode, Jessica, and Steve will talk about their first year of marriage, having a blast in college and actually completing college debt free because they were doing so well for themselves. Jessica will then share the story of how she came upon Steve’s gay porn on the computer while he was away at work.Back then, Steve hadn’t yet come to terms with the fact that he was gay, and he was devastated by Jessica’s discovery. They will share all that transpired after that and it’s going to be an interesting story, s...2019-07-1043 minHusband in Law04: Sliquid Nitrogen?In this episode, Stephanie May (we mentioned her in the last episode. Remember?) comes on to talk about how she introduced Steve and Jessica to each other. Steph will ask Steve and Jessica a range of questions just to get a better understanding of what really happened that led to their eventual divorce.It’s gonna be a hilarious one. You won’t wanna miss it.Highlights of the discussion:The third wheel on the first date (01:03)The cupcake fight (03:48)Jessica’s dates with other people post dating and post divorce (05:58)Steve’s feeling of liber...2019-06-2644 minHusband in Law03: Cat Shoes And A Cake FightSo, how did Steve and Jessica even meet in the first place?!In this episode, Steve and Jessica will dive into how they met and how their relationship developed - ultimately leading to their marriage. Through deliberate effort by Steve (he was admittedly intrigued by Jessica), they met back in college and the story of how they got to the point where they got married and honeymooned in Victor, Idaho, is both funny and amazing, so you won’t wanna miss it.Curious about the cat shoes?! You'll need to listen in! 😂Highlights of th...2019-06-1941 minHusband in Law02: Before The Relationsh*tIn this episode, Steve, Jessica and Matt will introduce themselves and each of them will give their back history. They will talk about their childhoods, the things that really impacted them in a big way as they were growing up, and what makes them tick.They’re going to share their great co-parenting experiences and how they relate cordially amongst themselves.Highlights of the discussion:All about Jessica (01:19)Biggest lifelong impact growing up (04:36)Steve and his experiences growing up (07:45)Yearning to be a dad (11:39)Advice to the past version of Steve (14:05)Advancing in the Mo...2019-06-1240 min