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The Leader’s Way58: The Idolatry of White Nationalism with Jim WallisIn this episode, Brandon talks with New York Times bestselling author, public theologian, preacher, and founder of Sojourners, The Rev’d Jim Wallis. Their conversation explores the theological implications of authoritarianism, new frames for understanding church unity, and the difference between optimism and hope.
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2025-07-1448 min
The Jim Wallis PodcastRediscovering Justice: Jim Wallis at Chautauqua – Faith, Action, and the Moral Compass for Our TimesJoin Rev. Jim Wallis as he brings the spirit of Chautauqua to The Jim Wallis Podcast. This episode, recorded during his week as Chaplain and Preacher at the historic Chautauqua Institution, explores how the teachings of Jesus offer a moral compass in times of national crisis. Drawing on powerful stories from the Senate steps and personal moments with his family, Jim unpacks foundational biblical texts—like Matthew 25 and the Good Samaritan—to challenge us to love our neighbors, defend the vulnerable, and reclaim justice as central to faith.Don’t miss the full experience! Watch...2025-06-2727 minThe Jim Wallis PodcastFaith in the Line of Fire: Jim Wallis on Political Violence, Minnesota, and the Christian ResponseRev. Jim Wallis confronts the alarming rise in political violence since 2016, sharing personal stories from the recent Minnesota shootings and challenging Christians to reclaim nonviolence. Drawing on data, faith, and history, Wallis calls for courage, truth, and peacemaking in an age of fear and intimidation.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.2025-06-2012 min
The State Of BeliefJim Wallis and a Moral Budget: The June 10th Procession at the CapitolThis week on The State of Belief, you’ll hear a powerful conversation with Rev. Jim Wallis and host Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush, diving deep into his upcoming event on June 10th at the Capitol, A Pentecost Witness for a Moral Budget, which aims to address critical issues surrounding the Reconciliation Bill and its potential cuts to vital programs like Medicaid and SNAP.
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How Can Faith and Action Unite? Jim connects the Christian tradition of Pentecost and the current moment we find ourselves in. Just as the early followers of Jesus fou...2025-06-0150 min
Reconciliation RoundtableEp. 21 - Jim Wallis "Faith and Justice"In this episode we welcome Jim Wallis, a writer, teacher, preacher and justice advocate who believes the gospel of Jesus must be emancipated from its cultural and political captivities. He is a New York Times bestselling author, public theologian, preacher and commentator on ethics and public life. He is the inaugural holder of the Chair in Faith and Justice and the founding Director of the Georgetown University Center on Faith and Justice. He is the founder of Sojourners, and is the author of 12 books and host of the popular podcast The Soul of the Nation. Jim and I...2025-03-0437 min
Disarming Leviathan - Missionaries to Christian NationalistsRejecting Christian Nationalism and Reclaiming True Faith w/ Jim WallisDisarming Leviathan Season 2 is out now! In this episode, Jim Wallis shares his experience fighting against racism, Christian Nationalism, and political idolatry in the Evangelical church in America for over 50 years. Content00:00 Early Influences and Racial Awareness 01:15 Crisis of Faith and Activism 02:35 Rediscovering Radical Faith 03:22 Founding Sojourners and 1980s Evangelicalism 06:50 Restoring Biblical Social Justice 08:44 Challenges of Christian Nationalism 14:34 Critique of Christian Nationalism and Call to Faith 19:26 How would you encourage us as it relates to hope? 24:05 Historical Inspiration and Living Faithfully 29:18 Service to the Vulnerable and Trust in CommunityAbout JimJim Wallis is a writer...2025-01-0337 min
ThecuriousmanspodcastJim Wallis InterviewMatt Crawford speaks with preacher Jim Wallis about his book, The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Reclaiming Democracy. It is time says Jim Wallis, to call out genuine faith―specifically the “Christian” in White Christian Nationalism―inviting all who can be persuaded to reject and help dismantle a false gospel that propagates white supremacy and autocracy. We need–to raise up the faith of all of us, and help those who are oblivious, stuck, and captive to the ideology and idolatry of White Christian Nationalism that is leading us to such great danger. Wallis turns our a...2024-12-0350 min
The Bill Press Pod"What Happened to Morality?" With the Reverend Jim WallisBill and the Rev. Jim Wallis discuss the aftermath of the 2024 U.S. presidential election and the troubling moral and ethical implications of Donald Trump's victory. Wallis is the inaugural holder of the Chair in Faith and Justice and the founding Director of the Georgetown University Center on Faith and Justice. Wallis expresses deep concern that the election of Trump, someone who openly repudiated basic values of honesty, decency, and respect, reveals a profound crisis of character and values in American culture.Wallis argues that Trump's rise was enabled by grievances, fears, and a sense of abandonment am...2024-11-1942 min
The Beached White Male Podcast with Ken KempS5E65 BEST OF... Jim Wallis - The False White GospelSend us a textKen welcomes writer, teacher, preacher and justice advocate, Jim Wallis. Rev. Wallis’ new book, The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy is getting high marks and a wide reading. It’s a timely and prophetic challenge in an era of polarization and worse, the advancement in America of what Jim calls an heretical version of The Gospel. Wallis calls this a “Bonhoeffer moment.” Silence is not an option. Ken and Jim reminisce over their days together at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School where they both earned a Master of Divin...2024-11-021h 07
Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each OtherJim Wallis, THE FALSE WHITE GOSPEL: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding DemocracyWho is my neighbor? “Our neighbors are not seen as fellow citizens, but as enemies to destroy, and even erase from our culture and politics by banning their books and history. That is the essence of white Christian nationalism.” Jim Wallis reminds us that Jesus shares a very different understanding of who our neighbors are.
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Keen On AmericaEpisode 2212: Jim Wallis on the False White Gospel threatening AmericaAmerican Christianity appears in a state of disrepair, perhaps even imminent civil war. On the one hand, of course, we have the evangelical right who make up much of Trump’s ideological base; on the other hand, there are progressive American theologians like Jim Wallis who argue that this Christian nationalist wing of the Republican party isn’t quite kosher. In his new book, The False White Gospel, Wallis argues that it’s time to call out genuine faith—specifically the “Christian” in White Christian Nationalism. These people, he says, are not only fake Christians, but their racism and cruelty repr...2024-10-0747 min
The Takeout with Major GarrettThe False White Gospel: Theologian Jim Wallis
Last month, Major traveled to Wisconsin and interviewed two prominent figures spreading the gospel of Trumpism via the growing white Christian nationalist movement. This week, Major sits down with Jim Wallis, a D.C.-based public theologian and justice activist who believes many of that movement's leaders are, "power brokers who are using religion to promote fear and hate." In his latest book "The False White Gospel," Wallis makes the argument that the teachings of the Christian nationalist movement are "antithetical to the teachings of Jesus," and if democracy is to be refounded, we must raise up the faith...2024-10-0448 min
Hold On: Is That Really Christian?Special Episode: What does Rev. Jim Wallis think of Christian Nationalism?We talk with international author and speaker Jim Wallis about his thoughts on Christian Nationalism. Jim Wallis will be in Dallas at Northaven United Methodist Church on September 28 to further discuss his latest book against Christian Nationalism called The False White Gospel. Click here to get tickets to this evening discussion with Wallis: https://www.tickettailor.com/events/northavenunitedmethodistchurch/1321624Saturday, September 28, 20246:30 p.m.Northaven UMC - 11211 Preston Road, Dallas, TX 75230Then come back the following Sunday for worship service to hear Jim Wallis preach.Sunday, September 29, 202411 a.m. ...2024-09-1723 min
That Makes Total Sense!Episode 265 – Jim WallisI am so thrilled to host Jim Wallis again on the podcast! (It’s a special bonus for me because the date of this release marks 5 YEARS THE PODCAST!) Jim and I first met in Washington D.C. at the inaugural Summer Academy at the Center on Faith & Justice at Georgetown University, though his work … Continue reading Episode 265 – Jim Wallis2024-09-0951 min
The Beached White Male Podcast with Ken KempS5E32 Jim Wallis - The False White GospelSend us a textKen welcomes writer, teacher, preacher and justice advocate, Jim Wallis. Rev. Wallis’ new book, The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy is getting high marks and a wide reading. It’s a timely and prophetic challenge in an era of polarization and worse, the advancement in America of what Jim calls an heretical version of The Gospel. Wallis calls this a “Bonhoeffer moment.” Silence is not an option. Ken and Jim reminisce over their days together at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School where they both earned a Master of Divin...2024-05-251h 07
The Disciple Dilemma PodcastFalse? White? Gospel? Reverend Jim Wallis talks discipleship. On The Disciple DilemmaAuthor, Activist and the Executive Director of The Center for Faith & Justice, Reverend Jim Wallis, in his office at Georgetown University talks deeply about discipleship and our lives as servants of Christ.00:00 - 00:50 Chapter 1 : Opening 00:51 - 09:23 Chapter 2 : Economics and Theology 09:24 - 10:55 Chapter 3 : Male, Pale, Straight, Stale!10:56 - 16:49 Chapter 4 : Jim's Story, Teenager to Today16:50 - 19:21 Chapter 5 : The False White Gospel19:22 - 25:33 Chapter 6 : Proximity25:34 - 27:39 Chapter 7 : PUBLIC Discipleship27:40 - 29:59 Chapter 8 : A False Gospel: How Christians Got "There"30:00 - 32:24 Chapter 9 : Power32:25 - 35:40 Chapter 10: Writing This Book....Anger?35:41 - 42:02 Chapter 11: Missing: Pu...2024-05-2352 min
Good Faith WeeklyGood Faith Weekly, 05/10/2024 - Persuading Deniers + Jim WallisA weekly podcast exploring stories at the intersection of faith and culture through an inclusive Christian lens. This week: Missy shares with Mitch a plan for persuading climate-change deniers.Guest: Jim Wallis, author of the new book "The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy.""Good Faith Weekly" is produced out of Norman, Oklahoma. Music is by Pond5. Learn more at www.GoodFaithMedia.org and @GFMediaOrgJim Wallis ~ https://www.jimwallis.org/"The False White Gospel" book ~ https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250291895...2024-05-1053 min
The State Of BeliefJim Wallis: False White GospelThe U.S. is now barely six months away from the 2024 election, and division and extremism seem to be at an all-time high. Race and religion play roles in much of the rhetoric surrounding the coming vote, and whether it’s imposing religion into public schools, dismantling reproductive freedom, or rolling back voting rights, Christian nationalists are stripping away freedoms at every turn. This week on The State of Belief, Interfaith Alliance’s weekly radio show and podcast, Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush is joined by activist and theologian Jim Wallis to discuss the importance of using faith as a...2024-04-2852 min
Sherman Street ChurchApril 7, 2024 - Jim Wallis Event and Book SigningJim Wallis talks about his recent book release, The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy. Rev. Joe Jones, former head of the Grand Rapids Urban League and pastor of Brown Hutcherson Ministries, provides a response to Jim's talk and Dr. Kristin Du Mez, author of Jesus and John Wayne, moderates and Q&A session with the audience.2024-04-081h 34Sherman Street ChurchApril 7, 2024 - Jim Wallis Event and Book SigningJim Wallis talks about his recent book release, The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy. Rev. Joe Jones, former head of the Grand Rapids Urban League and pastor of Brown Hutcherson Ministries, provides a response to Jim's talk and Dr. Kristin Du Mez, author of Jesus and John Wayne, moderates and Q&A session with the audience.2024-04-081h 34
Dangerous DogmaJim Wallis, Brian Kaylor, & Angela Denker on Christian NationalismAngela Denker, a journalist and Lutheran minister, moderates a discussion with Jim Wallis of the Georgetown Center on Faith and Justice and Word&Way President Brian Kaylor about Christian Nationalism and other issues of faith and politics. A written version of this conversation was previously published at A Public Witness. Denker, author of Red State Christians: A Journey into White Christian Nationalism and the Wreckage It Leaves Behind, previously appeared on episode 23 and episode 68. Wallis, author of the new book The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy, previously appeared on episode 24. Kaylor is t...2024-04-0557 minDangerous DogmaJim Wallis, Brian Kaylor, & Angela Denker on Christian NationalismAngela Denker, a journalist and Lutheran minister, moderates a discussion with Jim Wallis of the Georgetown Center on Faith and Justice and Word&Way President Brian Kaylor about Christian Nationalism and other issues of faith and politics. A written version of this conversation was previously published at A Public Witness. Denker, author of Red State Christians: A Journey into White Christian Nationalism and the Wreckage It Leaves Behind, previously appeared on episode 23 and episode 68. Wallis, author of the new book The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy, previously appeared on episode 24. Kaylor is t...2024-04-0557 min
Red Letter Christians PodcastJim Wallis, author of: The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy"Everyone who claims to be 'Christian' or else claims to be upset by 'Christianity' needs to read this book, especially politicians using people's supposed faith for their own ends." —Margaret E. Atwood
"Jim Wallis calls the nation to grow up and he calls us all to fight the love battle to save the soul of America." —From the Foreword by Eddie S. Glaude, Jr.
A major new work by the New York Times bestselling author, arguing that the answer to bad religion is true faith that will help refound democracy
It is time says J...2024-04-0440 min
The Jim Wallis PodcastUnveiling 'The False White Gospel' with Jim WallisJoin us for a riveting episode of The Soul of the Nation, where the spotlight turns on our esteemed host, Jim Wallis, as he becomes the guest of the hour. In this compelling conversation, Jim Wallis, the renowned New York Times bestselling author, unveils the profound insights from his latest groundbreaking book, The False White Gospel.Hosted by Daniel Burke, the Director of Communications at the Center on Faith and Justice, this episode delves deep into the heart of Wallis' thesis, which argues that the antidote to detrimental religious ideologies lies in cultivating true faith. Wallis presents...2024-03-2746 min
The New Evangelicals Podcast232. TNE TALKS: The False White Gospel // Jim WallisSummaryJim Wallis is author of several books that discuss the rise of white Christian nationalism and its threat to democracy. He calls for a remnant church that stands against Christian nationalism and works towards justice and equality. TakeawaysWhite Christian nationalism is a political takeover of evangelicalism that poses a threat to democracy.Building a new American church requires multiracial, multifaith, and multigenerational coalitions.Faith and hope are essential in the fight against Christian nationalism and the pursuit of justice.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Background2024-03-181h 02The New Evangelicals Podcast232. TNE TALKS: The False White Gospel // Jim WallisSummaryJim Wallis is author of several books that discuss the rise of white Christian nationalism and its threat to democracy. He calls for a remnant church that stands against Christian nationalism and works towards justice and equality. TakeawaysWhite Christian nationalism is a political takeover of evangelicalism that poses a threat to democracy.Building a new American church requires multiracial, multifaith, and multigenerational coalitions.Faith and hope are essential in the fight against Christian nationalism and the pursuit of justice.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Background2024-03-181h 02The Jim Wallis Podcast"The Fierce Urgency of Now" Rev. Jim Wallis | Villanova University Dr. Martin Luther King Jr LectureJim Wallis, the Founding Director of the Georgetown University Center on Faith, advocates spirituality and social change in America. Under Wallis’ leadership, Sojourners has had international acclaim as a group of Christians who work together to live a gospel life that integrates spiritual renewal and social justice. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.2023-05-2436 min
FULLER curated100 - When Faith and Politics Collide | Jim WallisDrawing from his 2008 book The Great Awakening, Jim Wallis preaches on the relationship between the American evangelical church and politics in the early 2000s. Jim Wallis is a theologian, author, and activist. This FULLER curated series features lectures, speeches, and sermons from across Fuller’s history, drawn from our archives in celebration of Fuller’s 75th anniversary.2022-12-0543 minThe Bill Press PodThe Heresy of White Christian Nationalism with Rev. Jim WallisThe Reverend Jim Wallis is long-time strong advocate for peace and justice. He is also an American theologian, writer, teacher and political activist. He is best known as the founder and editor of Sojourners magazine and as the founder of the Washington, D.C.-based Christian community of the same name. Now Wallis is the Director of the Center on Faith and Justice and inaugural chair in Faith and Justice at the McCourt School of Public Policy at Georgetown University. And as such he is very concerned, as Bill is, about the dangerous rise of White Chirstian Nationalism. His po...2022-11-2238 min
That Makes Total Sense!Episode 167 – Jim WallisThe one and only Jim Wallis is on the podcast! Most recently Jim came on as the director of the Center on Faith + Justice at Georgetown University. He and I met over the summer when the Center hosted its inaugural summer academy and I was blessed enough to attend. For those who may not … Continue reading Episode 167 – Jim Wallis2022-10-2455 min
Conversing with Mark Labberton115 - Faith and Justice, with Jim WallisJim Wallis shares about his journey of following Jesus and discusses the sin of voter suppression, racism as idolatry, and the ways our theology should recalibrate our sociology. Jim Wallis is the inaugural chair and founding director of the Center on Faith and Justice at Georgetown University’s McCourt School of Public Policy. He is an author, teacher, and speaker, and is the founder of Sojourners.2022-04-1249 min
Add Passion and StirJim Wallis on Crossing Faith’s Boundaries To End Child PovertyReverend Jim Wallis, Chair in Faith and Justice at Georgetown University’s McCourt School of Public Policy and Founder of Sojourners, reports on how dozens of faith organizations continue to advocate together for making the Child Tax Credit permanent, among other provisions in the proposed Build Back Better legislation. “We came together across many of our theological and political boundaries in the faith community to support the Child Tax Credit and the other critical factors in this human infrastructure bill.” Wallis and his fellow faith leaders are fighting for the most vulnerable Americans. “Unfortunately, it continues to be true...2021-10-2729 minAdd Passion and StirJim Wallis on Poverty, Racism and COVID-19How do we protect those most vulnerable to poverty and racism? Originally aired in April 2020, Sojourners' Founder Jim Wallis explains how the COVID-19 pandemic exposed the inequities in our society. “Poverty and racism are preexisting conditions that help you get the disease,” says Wallis. “How can we redeem this time for not just immediate response… but also how this will change us – how we act, how we lead, what we do now - going forward. History is being changed by this, so how will those changes result in our being different going forward?”Wallis reflects on the need for lea...2021-07-1446 min
The New ActivistRev. Jim Wallis, The Re-founding of AmericaRev. Jim Wallis is a globally respected writer, teacher, preacher, justice advocate, and regular international commentator on ethics and public life. He is a New York Times bestselling author of twelve books, including Christ in Crisis, America's Original Sin, God's Politics, and The Great Awakening. In addition, he is the founder of Sojourners, an independent, online magazine of faith, culture, and politics. Today, Rev. Wallis and Eddie Kaufholz consider the theological implications of the time we're living in, and what it might mean for the United States to be re-founded. Links from the I...2021-04-0536 minThe Jim Wallis PodcastReclaiming Jesus Now with Jim WallisReclaiming Jesus Now with Jim Wallis is a ten-episode podcast series on the themes of Jim Wallis’ new book, Christ in Crisis: Why We Need to Reclaim Jesus. Wallis is joined by two voices from a rising generation of activists, William Matthews and Allison Trowbridge, who seek to reconcile their own spiritual journeys with the spiritual and political crises we face today.Jim Wallis’ new book, and the conversations in this podcast, are organized around eight urgent and provocative questions Jesus Christ asked or provoked while pursuing his call: The Neighbor QuestionThe Image QuestionThe Truth QuestionThe Power Quest...2020-12-2808 min
Husband and Wife Talk113. Christina Ilisije and Jim WallisThis week we had Christina Ilisije and Jim Wallis on the pod. Christina is the CEO and founder of LIVING-DANCE, a performance, fitness and lifestyle brand. Jim Wallis is channel manager for Epion, a growing health-tech company. He has a passion for writing as well as stand up comedy and he has been working on his own novel.
This is the second time we have had Christina on, listen to our first episode HERE
We talked all about their engagement (they story of how they met is AMAZING!), how they are adjusting to working at home, all about Living Dance...2020-12-0900 min
Bodhisattva Conversations with...Bodhisattva Conversations with Dr Jim WallisDr Jim Wallis is a principal lecturer in Sport Coaching and Exercise Science at the University of Brighton.He has a PhD in Emotions and Learning and talks to us about finding limits....And much more.Jim and I first met in 2003 when he came to listen to a talk I was giving at Brighton university.And in 2008 we ran together in the inaugural London to Brighton cross country Race2020-11-2233 min
Candid InsightsJim Wallis on Christianity and PoliticsSahil interviews Jim Wallis -- President of Sojourners, a Christian justice organization and a former spiritual advisor to both President Barack Obama and George W. Bush -- to discuss the Intersection of Christianity and Politics, the Evolving Definition of "Evangelical" and its Implications, the Role of White Evangelicals in the 2016 Election, and the Complexities of a Consistent Life Ethic Concerning Abortion. Wallis critiques the Moral Compromises Made by Evangelical Leaders Supporting Donald Trump, Condemns the Prosperity Gospel, and Emphasizes the Need for a Return to Social Justice Principles Rooted in Faith. Interview: candidinsights.co/jim-wallis-interview2020-10-0452 min
Your Calvinist Podcast with Keith FoskeyA Response to Jim Wallis Pt4This is a 4-Part response to Jim Wallis on the subject of a video he produced for the website Now This. Wallis is a theologian and political activist. In this episode of Coffee with a Calvinist, Pastor Keith plays the words of Wallis and interacts with them.2020-08-2719 minYour Calvinist Podcast with Keith FoskeyA Response to Jim Wallis Pt3This is a 4-Part response to Jim Wallis on the subject of a video he produced for the website Now This. Wallis is a theologian and political activist. In this episode of Coffee with a Calvinist, Pastor Keith plays the words of Wallis and interacts with them.2020-08-2624 minYour Calvinist Podcast with Keith FoskeyA Response to Jim Wallis Pt2This is a 4-Part response to Jim Wallis on the subject of a video he produced for the website Now This. Wallis is a theologian and political activist. In this episode of Coffee with a Calvinist, Pastor Keith plays the words of Wallis and interacts with them.2020-08-2522 minYour Calvinist Podcast with Keith FoskeyA Response to Jim Wallis Pt1This is a 4-Part response to Jim Wallis on the subject of a video he produced for the website Now This. Wallis is a theologian and political activist. In this episode of Coffee with a Calvinist, Pastor Keith plays the words of Wallis and interacts with them.2020-08-2422 min
For People with Bishop Rob WrightFaith in the Midst of 2 Pandemics with Jim WallisSend us a textWhere do we find health if the soul of the nation is unwell? It only makes it more challenging in the midst of 2 pandemics. One being COVID-19 and the other racism.In this episode of For People, Melissa leads a conversation with Bishop Wright and special guest Jim Wallis, editor of Sojourners magazine and host of Soul of the Nation, exploring the narratives of 2 pandemics, COVID-19 and racism, and how fear and rage lead to hate and violence. They discuss the current state of the country and how we can use...2020-07-0324 min