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Lunch on The WayAlexander Schmemann DESTROYS secularism with an Eastern Orthodox sacramentality of the worldIn this conversation, "For the Life of the World," by Easter Orthodox Priest, Alexander Schmemann, is examined for how secularism is a myth and the sacramentality of the world is a Christian truth and counter to secularism. This is likely the best conversation Graeme, Joey, and Jonathan ever had, and it might be their last.00:00 Introduction01:58 Who is Alexander Schmemann?09:58 Liturgy shows us how to live in the world18:05 How the symbolic world is real24:53 how to participate rightly in the world31:13 The redemption of time39:03 How to live THIS out
2026-02-021h 10Lunch on The WayHow Churches Should Disciple Emerging (young) Adults in 2026 with Sam BlooreIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr Sam Bloore who has completed considerable research in emerging adulthood. He has spoken widely on the topic to help churches disciple this group better.After graduating from medicine and bioethics at Otago University, Sam Bloore worked as a doctor for five years before a gradual career change saw him join the staff of his church and complete a Master of Arts in Pastoral Theology. Sam is passionate about the intersection of faith and culture, in particular how individuals establish and enhance a personal spirituality that is stable...
2026-01-191h 14Lunch on The WayWhy 2025 Changed the Podcast (Lunch on The Way)This is the last episode of 2025, taking a look back at why the podcast looked so different from the previous 2 years. I also venture into why Jonathan only appeared in 3 episodes and what 2026 might look like.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2025-12-1708 min
This Week in Hearing324 - Auracast in Action: Exploring Hearing Accessibility in a Busy Railway StationWhat does accessible audio look like when it’s designed for real-world environments—not just controlled settings? In this conversation, Jonathan Hoskin of Ampetronic explains how Auracast was deployed at Bristol Temple Meads railway station to deliver clear station announcements directly to personal devices such as hearing aids, cochlear implants, earbuds, and smartphones.Host Andrew Bellavia speaks with Jonathan about how the project came together, why Auracast was well suited for a busy, historic train station, and how it addresses common challenges with traditional assistive listening systems. Jonathan walks through how the installation improves clarity in noisy spaces, allows pass...
2025-12-1733 minLunch on The WayHow "Seeker Sensitive" Churches are Rebuked by Lesslie NewbiginIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr Greg Liston to discuss Lesslie Newbigin's 5 big ways churches should approach cultural and be distinct through creating plausibility structures.Dr. Greg Liston is a Senior Lecturer at Laidlaw College specialising in ecclesiology and systematic theology. He was the Lead Pastor of Mt Albert Baptist Church in Auckland, New Zealand. He also holds two PhDs: one in theology and the other in physics.00:00 Intro01:56 Lesslie Newbigin vs relevance missiology07:52 Newbigin's PT 109:42 Newbigin's PT 216:14 Newbigin's PT 323:54 Newbigin's PT 429:34 Newbigin's PT 531:53...
2025-12-081h 05Lunch on The WayHow Jesus Radically Transforms Wisdom (should we still "fear the Lord"??)On this episode, Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey discuss what biblical wisdom is and how "the fear of the Lord" might not mean what we think. We disagree, agree, argue, meet in the middle, and much more.00:00 Introduction02:01 Answering listener's questions10:07 Why "the fear of the Lord" and wisdom?16:26 The OT and wisdom26:31 How wisdom became incarnational32:31 From fear to love in Christ36:11 The tension of Holy-Love40:11 A definition of wisdom50:06 You can't live solely by principlesPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
2025-11-2459 minLunch on The WayHow Christians can Re-enchant their World through Iain McGilchrist, with Jonathan Hoskin.In this episode, Jonathan Hoskin rejoins Graeme and Joey as they look at the physical world and rediscover a re-enchantment or sacramental nature to the world through visiting Iain McGilChrist's, "The Matter With Things" (2021). They explore how the Western world became flat and secular, who Iain McGilchrist is and what he gets right and wrong about the world and God, how the world is deeply sacramental and what that means, and much more.00:00 Introduction02:15 Jonathan is BACK!06:10 The world is a window, not a wall10:40 How we became secular people23:45 how secularism has...
2025-11-101h 04Lunch on The WayWhat churches get wrong about business leadership and strategy with Louise WernichIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Louise Wernich to talk about business strategy and leadership helping churches. Pastors have become increasingly suspicious of business practices distorting the purpose of the church, but Louise addresses how we can go too far in the other direction.Rev. Louise Wernich is an ordained minister in the Methodist Church of South Africa and has recently completed in MBA in New Zealand. She works at Laidlaw College within the post-graduate theology programmes. She has considerable experience leading churches of all size, and she has recently come to appreciate...
2025-10-281h 09Lunch on The WayThe Unexpected Christian Origins of The Treaty of Waitangi with Sam CarpenterIn this conversation, Joey sits down with Treaty of Waitangi expert and scholar, Dr. Sam Carpenter. They talk about the Treaty of Waitangi history and how early missionaries were pivotal in its construction, translation, and acceptance. They also discuss how the current discourse around the Treaty needs a biblical worldview to be interpreted correctly.Sam teaches into Laidlaw’s Church History courses with a specialist focus on New Zealand religious and political history. He leads Te Rongopai ki Aotearoa Project at Laidlaw that is exploring the multidimensional relationships of Christianity and Māori society. Sam’s research focus...
2025-10-061h 14Lunch on The WaySolving Pentecostalism's PR Problem (you might change denominations) with Maja WhitakerIn this episode, Graeme and Joey interview Dr. Maja Whitaker about Pentecostalism—the good, great, and not so great. We look at what make Pentecostal churches tick, like their unique take on mission, their need to be culturally relevant, and their obsession with pragmatism and why they have a PR problem.Dr. Maja Whitaker is the Academic Dean at Laidlaw College; she oversees all programme development and delivery and contributes to the development and outworking of College strategy, with a focus on integrated programmes and a strong partner ecosystem. Maja is a lecturer in the School of Th...
2025-09-2254 minLunch on The WaySarah Penwarden | Why your experience of God & life matters, overcoming your past, embracing storiesIn this episode, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Dr. Sarah Penwarden to discuss why our experience matters for theology and understanding God, why emotions matters, how to integrate experience and faith, how stories help us creating meaning, and why people receive counselling.Sarah Penwarden (Pākehā) has a doctorate in counselling, is a practicing counsellor, supervisor, and an Anglican priest. She teaches in the School of Theology (Laidlaw College) on a part-time basis. Her academic interests connect to practical theology and counselling, and how the realities of ordinary life can be held in tandem with th...
2025-09-0858 minLunch on The WayHow will AI shape Churches, Christians, and SocietyOn this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss 4 ways AI will change churches, Christians, and society. They don't predict the future as much as explain how the future might play out as AI in adopted by society and churches and people grapple with what it means to be human.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2025-08-1955 minLunch on The WayRebroadcast | Pastoral Identity Crisis, Trends, and Insights with Dr. Karen KempThis is a rebroadcasted episode because it's worth posting again. This conversation with Dr. Karen Kemp about pastoral leadership, trends, and identity is still relevant, even though it was originally published 2 years ago! It's worth a full listen.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2025-08-041h 02Lunch on The WayBONUS Ep | The 4 Essential Elements to being FULLY Human, a conversation about a conversationThis is a bonus episode that was original recorded in July of 2024 as Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey prepared to lead a discussion in Tauranga on what it means to be fully human and how churches/pastor can help with that.00:00 Teaser02:12 Explaining on trip to Tauranga04:55 Efficient causality vs being human07:35 Schedule of event and questions to consider09:30 Why collective wisdom matters10:45 Importance of group dynamics12:45 Why theological-provocation matters16:40 Stories make us human21:10 4 essential elements of humanity (core touch points)25:35 Grounding the 4 essential elements31:00 Framing our conversation
2025-07-0747 minLunch on The WayDan Sheed | Drift No More, Praying as Invitational Posture, Central Vineyard ChurchIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Ps. Dan Sheed of Central Vineyard Church, Auckland. They discuss prayer as posture and invitation, Dan's book "Drift No More," and Dan's story of entering ministry and planting Central Vineyard.Dan Sheed is the founding co-leader of Central Vineyard Church in Tāmaki Makaurau, Auckland. The son of pastors, he was raised in the Vineyard Church movement, and has been on the journey with Christ as a pastor himself for many years. He planted Central Vineyard Church in 2015. He is married to Gabrielle, and has two wonderful tamariki: J...
2025-06-231h 17Lunch on The WaySam Burrows | Why Christianity is growing, prophetic imagination, meaning is backIn this episode, Graeme and Joey have a conversation with Sam Burrows about how meaning is back in the West, how the cultural left helped Christianity, the growing influence of the right in politics, what biblical critical theory is, and much more!Makerspace Podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/1DklD6kT4wEWUaF64y8pRhPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2025-06-0954 minLunch on The WayThe Tyranny of Metrics, How to Measure Spiritual Growth, We Focus on What We MeasureIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss how there are many things we cannot quantifiably measure in the church and that we need to use judgement when consulting numbers. Much of their think is derived from "The Tyranny of Metrics" by Jerry Muller.00:00 Teaser02:20 Introduction4:00 Gen Z Christians are Growing | Bible Society UK18:10 Political Will is Gone20:00 The Tyranny of Metrics24:50 Growth through Proximity to Christ28:00 Tell Stories not Measure Stories30:00 What we easily measure is what we focus on33:10 Economic metaphors are dominate in our culture35:35 An...
2025-05-2657 minLunch on The WayMisunderstanding church & spiritual growth, you are a priest, people knowing you're ChristianIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey clarify and elaborate on their conversation with Andrew Root. The conversation delves into the role of Christians in society, emphasizing the importance of identifying oneself as a Christian in various settings. Joey and Graeme discuss the concept of being a "royal priesthood," traversing two worlds, and the need for Christians to be visible and present in their communities. They explore the idea of evangelism as consolation, particularly in moments of despair, and the relational ministry philosophy of Andrew Root. The discussion also touches on the stabilizing factors in faith communities, suggesting that faithfulness...
2025-05-1257 minLunch on The WayAndrew Root | Stabilising Discipleship and Churches, Prayer as Key Competency, Despair & EvangelismIn this episode, Graeme and Joey have a brilliant conversation with Dr Andrew Root as they discuss a humanising approach to evangelism, the digital space and discipleship, what the key competency of a pastor should be, growth as modernity's stabiliser, and much more!Andrew Root, PhD (Princeton Theological Seminary) is the Carrie Olson Baalson Professor of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther Seminary. He is most recently the author of Evangelism in an Age of Despair and the six volume Ministry in a Secular Age series (including Churches and the Crisis of Decline, The Congregation in a...
2025-04-281h 17Lunch on The WayRev. Frank Ritchie | People Want Irrelevant Churches, Rediscovering Tradition, Culture and MediaIn this episode of Lunch on The Way, Rev. Frank Ritchie discusses how places and spaces of worship hold our spirituality when we can't muster it up, his various experiences with different religions and expressions of the Christian faith, how and why Holy Communion is so important for the church, why wearing a clerical collar matters for pastors, how the media are open to Christianity, and why irrelevant churches are paradoxically relevant.Frank is an ordained minister in the Wesleyan Methodist Church of Aoteroa-New Zealand, a media chaplain, and national Christian voice in New Zealand.00:00...
2025-04-141h 00Lunch on The WayMinistry and its Irresistible Call, People Matter More Than ... with Louise WernichGraeme and Joey welcome Louise to the podcast and discuss Louise's journey into ministry and her families immigration to New Zealand from South Africa, the impact of COVID on the South African church and her family, how a call to ministry can't be ignored, Graeme's call into ministry, reflections on pastoring more than 20 decades, how business-church forgets about the people (ironically), and much more.00:00 Teaser1:00 Introduction03:39 Louise's Journey into Ministry, and Family17:33 COVID in South Africa and the church23:13 Louise moving to New Zealand26:58 Ministry is a calling that can't be ignored
2025-03-311h 04Lunch on The WayVisited a NEW Mormon Temple, Architecture is Theology, Reflecting on Mark Sayers ConvoIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss Joey's experience at Auckland's new Mormon Temple, how architecture reveals a church's/religion's theology, the craziness of the world, how Canada and US relations is a microcosm of the disruption the world will feel, and much more.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2025-03-171h 07Lunch on The WayMark Sayers | Future Predictions, The Worlds Changed, America's Chaos, Being a Pillar is DangerousIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Mark Sayers and discuss what Mark learned about ministry during the Melbourne lockdowns, why embodied ministry matters so much, how proceduralism has blunted the church's mission, how the church needs to be a pillar rather than a platform in the world, how everything is politically changing in the world, transcendence and immanence, what is means to be human, and how the Trump foreign policy will change Australia and New Zealand.Mark Sayers is the Lead Pastor of Red Church in Melbourne, Australia and contributor to the Rebuilders podcast...
2025-03-021h 14Lunch on The WayAJ Thomas | Is Preaching a Sacrament? Is Jesus Really in the Eucharist?In this episode, Joey and Graeme interview AJ Thomas, who is one of the teaching and preaching pastors at Kings Church in New Brunswick, Canada. He also leads the Atlantic Kingdom Alliance which aims to bring together pastors and ministry leader from diverse theological and denominational background for the advancement of the gospel. They discussed his journey from youth ministry to church planting and his current role at King's Church, the importance of preaching as a sacramental act (distinguishing it from teaching), his theological evolution (particularly his engagement with Catholicism and its influence on his understanding of the Eucharist...
2025-02-161h 04Lunch on The WayDeconstructing Faith, Truth as Relationship, Trusting your Gut (whole over parts)In this conversation the guys explores the concept of faith deconstruction and truth, emphasizing the importance of a holistic view of life. Many people deconstruct not Christianity but specific expressions or packaged forms of it, often driven by personal experiences and dissatisfaction with rigid, mechanistic approaches. They highlight the need for a synthesized understanding of truth that includes emotions and relationships, advocating for a more humble and open approach to truth that trusts the 'gut.' The discussion also touches on the role of the right hemisphere in processing gut feelings and the importance of listening and discernment deconstructing.
2025-01-2654 minLunch on The WayCELEBRATING 50 EPs, Christmas Issues, Traditions Matter, Season 4 ExpectationsPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2024-12-1856 minLunch on The WayA fully alive human is the glory of God, is the church helping us be more/less human?This week Graeme, Jonathan, and Joey discussed what it means to be human and how the church is the place that helps people become fully alive in Christ. This conversation centres on a Saint Irenaeus quote, "the glory of God is a human being fully alive." We discuss the importance of balancing transcendence, materiality, relationships, and freedom, arguing that modern society's overemphasis on materiality and disembodiment has led to a spiritual void. The Lord's Prayer is highlighted as embodying these four aspects, suggesting it as a model for holistic human development.00:00 Anthropology and what it means to...
2024-12-0848 minLunch on The WaySPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT (Joey), What's the purpose of church? Critiquing the formation movementIn this episode Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey announce something big, critique the current formation movement as a potentially falling into legalism, how to live with wisdom on the formation journey, catching the "wind" of the Spirit, and the importance of churches being an alternative space to the frameworks and realities of the world. This episode is a mixture of many different topics, but we still hope you can engage with something on the way.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the...
2024-10-2755 minLunch on The WayThe Endlessly Toxic Pursuit of MORE! Adjusting Our Assumptions of Church, the Mission of God, the goal of growth, and moreIn this episode, Jonathan, Graeme, Joey break open a controversial topic relating to church growth and the pursuit of more. They undercover insights only someone who cares not for the consequences of thinking and questioning can unearth. Therefore, the listener needs to approach this conversation with the best of intentions; assuming the guys are love Jesus, the church, and what God to rule on earth as in heaven.EnjoyPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and...
2024-10-0656 minLunch on The WayClint Ussher | Current difficulties and opportunities for the church, Church planting in NZ, Overcoming "success" identity,In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Dr. Clint Ussher who leads The Well in Christchurch, NZ and the Centre for Church Leadership. It was an open and honest conversation about church planting, identity in Christ, what pastors are sensing in New Zealand, and much more.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2024-09-2258 minLunch on The WayHorrible Tensions in Ministry and Life ... or are they good?In this conversation, Jonathan and Joey tease out the tensions we manage within the church and as we follow Jesus.00:00 Introduction00:42 Tensions are not problems to be solved6:11 Theological tensions to manage10:05 Slacklining as a metaphor for tension12:07 More tensions or prayer, salvation, and more15:10 TENSION 1: Doing vs Theological Reflection24:29 TENSION 2: Popular Voices vs Local VoicesPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions...
2024-09-1749 min
We'd Like A Word26. History & lies (part 1) with Subhadra Das, author of Uncivilised: Ten Lies That Made The West26. History & lies (part 1): We'd Like A Word hosts Paul Waters & Stevyn Colgan chat & laugh with Subhadra Das, writer, historian, broadcaster, comedian & curator, about her book, Uncivilised: Ten Lies That Made The West.
Subhadra looks at the relationship between science & society. She specialises in the history & philosophy of science, particularly the history of scientific racism & eugenics, & what those histories mean for our lives today. For nine years, she was Curator of the Science Collections at University College London where she was also Researcher in Critical Eugenics at the Sarah Parker Remond Centre for the Study of Racism & Racialisation...
2024-08-3119 minWe'd Like A Word25. History & lies (part 2) with Subhadra Das, author of Uncivilised: Ten Lies That Made The West25. History & lies (part 2): We'd Like A Word hosts Paul Waters & Stevyn Colgan chat & laugh with Subhadra Das, writer, historian, broadcaster, comedian & curator, about her book, Uncivilised: Ten Lies That Made The West.
Subhadra looks at the relationship between science & society. She specialises in the history & philosophy of science, particularly the history of scientific racism & eugenics, & what those histories mean for our lives today. For nine years, she was Curator of the Science Collections at University College London where she was also Researcher in Critical Eugenics at the Sarah Parker Remond Centre for the Study of Racism & Racialisation...
2024-08-3122 minWe'd Like A Word24. History & lies (part 3) with Subhadra Das, author of Uncivilised: Ten Lies That Made The West24. History & lies (part 3): We'd Like A Word hosts Paul Waters & Stevyn Colgan chat & laugh with Subhadra Das, writer, historian, broadcaster, comedian & curator, about her book, Uncivilised: Ten Lies That Made The West.
Subhadra looks at the relationship between science & society. She specialises in the history & philosophy of science, particularly the history of scientific racism & eugenics, & what those histories mean for our lives today. For nine years, she was Curator of the Science Collections at University College London where she was also Researcher in Critical Eugenics at the Sarah Parker Remond Centre for the Study of Racism & Racialisation...
2024-08-3123 minLunch on The WayHow to Hear God's Voice, Discerning Big Decisions, Problems with Being CertainIn this episode the guys talk about their experience of listening to God's voice and what that means for them, some of the problematic aspects of claiming you've heard from God, and a way forward to better discern God's voice during big decisions.Email lunchontheway@gmail.com00:00 Introduction00:42 Catching up on life03:20 Our experiences with hearing God's voice14:52 Honest & integrity help you hear18:14 Grieving the Holy Spirit (Eph 4)22:10 Justification vs personal holiness24:58 Listen & don't listen to others27:40 One-way & two-way door decisions33:50 Jon Hoskin's advice36:13 Is saying "...
2024-08-1150 minLunch on The WayA Complex Conversation on Power, Christian Leadership, and Jesus's Example of PowerIn this episode, Graeme, Jonathan, and Joey discuss the cultural obsession with power and attempt to rebalance the conversation, pointing to Jesus as the example of what to do with the power you have.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2024-07-1453 minLunch on The WayCritical Incidents & How to Think Theologically & Reflectively for Positive ChangeIn this episode, Joey and Graeme discuss the importance of theological reflection in moments of crisis. They cover how to think well during critical incidents, what is critical thinking and theological reflection, the importance of crisis, why COVID was a crisis for the church, getting deeper and not more pragmatic, the issues the church is forced to wrestle with, being okay with uncomfortable questions, education that enables critical thinking, Joey's Sunday morning reflections, the WHY that theological reflection rediscovers, and where to begin with theological reflection.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
2024-07-0753 minLunch on The WayWill AI Make Us Dumb? Theology and What it Means to Be Human, Meaning in a Automated FutureIn this conversation, the guys talk about Graeme trip to the US as a delivered a paper at the Media Ecology Conference.00:00 Introduction02:30 Graeme at the Media Ecology Conference07:58 Graeme's Experience of AMERICA14:30 Is AI and Tech Bad?24:40 Why a Theological-Anthropology Matters34:50 How do we Know Who we are?38:30 Having a Relationship with AI45:30 Will AI make critical thinking extinct?51:30 An Important StoryLunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout...
2024-06-2354 minLunch on The WaySam Burrows | The Meta-crisis in Education, with our youth, and what can be done about itLunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/shareIn this episode the guys bring back Sam Burrows to talk more about the meta-crisis with our youth (03:02), with education (11:50), wha the meta-crisis is (14:12), a way of answering it (17:00), who Ayaan Hirsi Ali is (21:22), the death of post-modernism (24:57), a desire for nostalgia (28:33), what Christian disruption is (34:55), how this is different to post-modernism (40:15), and Sam's new podcast.Makerspace PodcastiTunes https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/makerspace/id1753646625
2024-06-0347 minLunch on The WayMetaphors are Reality-Shaping, our BEST Conversation Yet | Horrible, Good, and Intriguing Metaphors for HumansIn this conversation, Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey discuss the good, bad, and intriguing metaphors that shape our understanding of the world, church, and our humanity. They discuss how metaphors create realities (03:30), what a metaphor is (06:10), the problematic metaphors were us as Christians (09:30), how metaphors reveal what we desire (19:30), how metaphors guide the church but should be clearly known (24:30), how Genesis 3 and the Garden is the greatest metaphor (28:45), why the Bible doesn't allow us to use just any metaphor (32:02), how biblical metaphor shape us (36:40), important New Testament metaphors (43:49), what happens when biblical metaphors are taken out of context (49:10), metaphors for...
2024-04-2856 minLunch on The WayDr Clare Knowles | Bible Translations that shouldn't be read, Bible Society NZ's workIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr. Clare Knowles who is a translation coordinator at Bible Society NZ. We discuss what Bible Society NZ is (12:42), the work Clare is currently doing with the Tokelauan Bible (14:18), cultural contextualisation and the Bible (22:50), the relationship between translation and interpretation (33:23), the ambitious sign-language project (43:18), the best/worst Bible translations (48:50), and AI and Bible translating (53:45).Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of...
2024-04-1459 minLunch on The WayFrameworks for Evangelism, Habit Forming vs Spirit Forming, is Evangelism for Everyone?Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/shareIn this conversation, Jonathan and Joey weave between two main topics but begin with discussion discarding dualism (03:30), how liturgy straightens the soul like a piece of bent wood (06:53), whether we can really change through habit forming or if we need the Spirit to do that deep work (12:10), Joey and Jonathan's experiences will evangelism (21:20), how to actually invite someone to follow Jesus (30:45), how people need evangelistic structures like Alpha (35:35), why stepping out...
2024-03-1758 minLunch on The WayA "Dialogue" with Carey Nieuwhof, Church Shifts and Necessary MovesIn this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss Carey Nieuwhof's latest Auckland, NZ church leadership and trends discussion but add their own thoughts to his "shifts" and "moves." They discuss how NZ church is 10yrs ahead of North America (3:08), online church possibly reaching unchurched people (10:38), people seeing us more than God (33:13), dissatisfaction with mirroring culture (36:05), the rise in authenticity (41:27), how content is not church (45:23), seeing people as more than a binary (49:16), over-editing the Sunday Service (51:00), non-toxic church culture (52:05), and much more.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this...
2024-03-1055 minLunch on The WayProblems with Business-Church, Believing yet Not Believing, the Existential Mirror We Can't SeeLunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/shareIn this conversation the guys get honest and discuss last week's LIVE RECORDING (00:31), whether current trends and changing are going to stick in churches (07:03), if business methodology and church needs a new critical eye (15:25), how leadership and pastoral ministry are different (25:52), the way we see the world vs how we need to see the world (30:03), and much more (39:37)!Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
2024-03-0345 minLunch on The WayLIVE SHOW, Reinventing Church, Reforming for Authenticity, John Mark Comer again ...Welcome to our very first LIVE RECORDING of Lunch on The Way held at Laidlaw College's Orientation Week. In this live conversation we discussed what's on Jonathan's mind (05:32), the church's need for reform (or not) (08:55), what true and false church reform looks like (13:18), John Mark Comer (19:50), wanting deeper things at church (21:13), a radical church change (24:53), the 3 types of church connection (28:25), the need for white spaces (30:15), how online church changes church (31:37), and the biggest challenges facing the church in NZ (37:43).lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The...
2024-02-2442 minLunch on The WayProfessional Christians, Spiritual Comparison, Real Holiness, Entire SanctificationIn this episode, Joey and Graeme discuss the Waitangi Day (00:37), tease future podcast topics (03:37), what a "Professional Christian" is (05:01), critique Rick Warren's baseball diamond discipleship pathway (08:35), expose spiritual comparison and pride (11:00), list the qualities of a spiritual person (16:28), discuss holiness compared to personality and culture (21:05), define what holiness is (28:15), explain the concept of Entire Sanctification (31:25), and finish explaining how following Jesus is a journey (39:30).Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing...
2024-02-1148 minLunch on The Way"Real Christianity," John Mark Comer's Critique of Church, and the New MartyrdomIn this episode, the guys begin 2024 talking about what "Real Christianity" is all about. They look at John Mark Comer's take on contemporary church service and Christian formation, and Jonathan discusses what the "new martyrdom" is for the modern West.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2024-01-291h 01Lunch on The Way2024 Trends for the World, the Church, and YouIn this episode, the guys look forward with the help of Sam Burrows to what 2024 will bring for the world and church. They also bring their sense of hope into an otherwise uncertain 2024.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-12-2756 minLunch on The WayAnswering the most Googled questions about ChristianityIn this episode, the guys answer some of the most asked questions relating to Christianity searched on Google. Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-12-1856 minLunch on The WayWhat is spiritual and what is reality?In this episode, the guys discuss land and place as a spiritual reality and how some cultures (Western??) have a difficult time seeing the spiritual in the material world.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-12-1247 minLunch on The WayThe Competing Narratives You Feel Within, and Code SwitchingIn this episode, the guys how people live in competing and inconsistent narratives about the world and they escape to video games or films to find coherence. While this can seem like a bad thing, for the Christian, it can be good through the idea of "code switching."Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-11-2754 minLunch on The WayStop Having Children to Fight Climate Change? WHAT??In this episode, the guys discuss a controversial article advocating for people to stop having children as a form of protest for climate action, the immoral presuppositions at play disguised as moral, and what we should do in the face of difficult problems.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-11-2056 minLunch on The WayPeople Need Meaning, and our 1 Year AnniversaryIn this episode, the guys celebrate the 1 Year Anniversary of the podcast and why they began in the first place. They also pivot and discuss meaning and evangelism.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-11-1354 minLunch on The WayWhat Does a Hopeful Life Look Like?In this episode, the guys talk more about hope, but this time what a hopeful life looks like! Be sure to listen to the previous episodes before launching into this one.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-10-181h 01Lunch on The WayHopeful Action in a Hopeless World, Praying that Leads to Mission, and much more ...In this episode, the guys talk about the picture of hopelessness that has captured the imagination of the church and where the real hope is at. Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-10-0249 minLunch on The WayResuscitating Your Missionary Identity, Missional-Church ImaginationIn this episode, the guys are back in the same room and discuss what's on their minds. They land on the topic of mission and how a shift needs to take place that places having a missionary mindset/identity at the top of the Christian identity.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-09-2559 minLunch on The WayDr. Karen Kemp | Changes in Church, Pastoral, and Ministry Leadership for New Zealand and BeyondIn this episode, the guys discuss pastoral leadership and trends post-COVID with Dr. Karen Kemp. Karen is a coach and trainer with the Centre for Church Leadership (CfCL) and a lecturer at Laidlaw College. She has a wealth of pastoral and theological experience that she uses to discern trends in culture and church leadership.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any...
2023-08-211h 03Lunch on The WayDr. Maja Whitaker | Why Your Body Matters for Spiritual FormationIn this episode, the guys discuss body-led spiritual formation with Dr. Maja Whitaker. Maja is the Practical Theology lead at Laidlaw College and teaches courses such as Formation, Christian Leadership, and other courses at a Master's level. She was also a pastor in the Equippers movement in New Zealand for many years.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations...
2023-08-1453 minLunch on The WayDiscovering Meaning in the Bible, Different Ways to Interpret the BibleIn this episode, Jonathan and Joey discuss how Christians can interpret the Bible to discover meaning. They initially differ, but then find common ground.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-08-0142 minLunch on The WayDr. Mark Keown | Evangelism in a Changing WorldIn this episode, the guys discuss evangelism with Dr. Mark Keown. They discuss the changes happening in the church and how evangelism might look in our complicated world.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-07-1959 minLunch on The WaySam Burrows | Atheist Christians and a Cultural ShiftIn this episode, the guys invite Sam Burrows to talk about a new shift in culture: people wanting order in their life through traditional meaning. This is another touch point for Christians in culture.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-06-231h 00Lunch on The WaySpeaking in Tongues, Charismatic Experience, Normative Christianity?In this episode, the guys discuss Joey's experience of being at a Pentecostal church on Pentecost Sunday. They discuss speaking in tongues, charismatic experience despite what we think, and what normative Christianity might be.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-06-131h 00Lunch on The WayThe Theological Implications of EverythingIn this episode, the guys discuss how everything we do and practice speaks to something about God and what we believe. CRAZY!!Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-05-1656 minLunch on The WayPractices That Lead to Unbelief and BeliefIn this episode, the guys discuss if practices are the real driver that leads to belief and unbelief. We are more formed by what we do than by what we believe. Does this mean what we do leads to what we believe?Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-05-0849 minLunch on The WayRe-enchanting a Secular ImaginationIn this episode, the guys discuss why secularism is such a viable default option for many Christians and what can be done to help change that reality.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-05-0147 minLunch on The WayPodcast UPDATE | Changes are HappeningThis episode is an update by Joey Millington regarding why there have not been any postings lately, and what to expect for 2023.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-04-1206 minLunch on The WayThe Origin of Post-Modern Thinking and the Relativization of Truth and Objectification of POWER!In this conversation, the guys talked about Post-Modernism and its origin story. They explore how it is a relativization of truth but a forcing of one's truth on another in its modern, "woke" expression. How should Christians engage with this philosophy that has taken hold of culture?Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-03-1347 minLunch on The WayChristian Imagination in a Post-COVID WorldIn this conversation, the guys talked about Christian imagination, our Post-COVID environment, discipleship, the beautiful gesture, and much more. Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-03-061h 02Lunch on The WayWhat does "Revival" Mean? Asbury Revival Inspired ConversationIn this conversation, the guys talked about what "revival" is. They were initially critical of what was going on at Asbury University but quickly came to the conclusion that what was happening ticked the box of revival. It all depends on how people define the word.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2023-02-1656 minLunch on The WayGraeme's Story | Charismatic Conversion and Asking too Many QuestionsGraeme is a lecturer at Laidlaw College with the Centre for Church Leadership with a PhD in Practical Theology. He has over 20 years of pastoral experience and has lived in both the North and South Islands of New Zealand.In this conversation, Joey interviews Graeme about his conversion and life story. They talk about Pentecostal Christianity in 1970s New Zealand, his pastoral experience, and much more.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those...
2023-02-131h 00Lunch on The WayDoubt that Leads to Death, Lingering Conversations, and 2023In this episode, we recap some of our favourite thoughts and moments from season 1, talk about doubt and faith, and distress on a few other topics.This is the Season Finale for the podcast, and we will be starting up again in February 2023.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2022-12-2252 minLunch on The WayDr. Roshan Allpress | Christian Institutions, Revival & Renewal in Society, Centuries of FaithfulnessRoshan Allpress is the National Principal of Laidlaw College, a Christian College in Aotearoa New Zealand.In this conversation, Roshan talks a bit about his life and personal call to see Christians fully integrated with the gospel in society. He explains the role of Christian institutions and how they help provide the foundation for a lasting move of God through revival and renewal. He also encourages the church to focus more on faithfulness through multiple generations and centuries rather than a single lifetime.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame...
2022-12-061h 23Lunch on The WayJonathan's Story | Died and Met Jesus, Post-Modern Engagement, Friend of JesusJonathan is a PhD student through AUT with an incredible story of meeting Jesus in both life and death.In this conversation, Joey interviews Jonathan about his life and how he started following Jesus, became a Pentecostal pastor, lived in Israel and had his faith shaken, died and met Jesus, and became the thoughtful believer he is today.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect...
2022-11-1451 minLunch on The WayJoey's Story | How He Started Following Jesus and Became a Pastor, it's all about CallingJoey Millington is a lecturer at Laidlaw College in the Theology Department. He is also a staff pastor at East City Wesleyan Church in East Auckland, New Zealand.In this conversation, Jonathan interviews Joey about his life and how he started following Jesus, initially became a pastor, and moved to New Zealand. Joey discusses how God's calling is what drives his life.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing...
2022-11-0755 minLunch on The WaySam Burrows | The Spiritual Landscape of New Zealand and Sam's StorySam Burrows is a lecturer at Laidlaw College in the Education Department. He is also a staff pastor at St. Augustine's, an Anglican Mission (Church) in Central Auckland, New Zealand.In this conversation, Sam shares his story of seeking alternative spiritualities as a young adult and how that ultimately left him with deeper, unanswered questions. After coming back to orthodox Christianity, Sam was inspired to write a Master's Thesis looking at the spiritual landscape of Aotearoa-New Zealand from a Pakeha perspective.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan...
2022-10-3149 minLunch on The WaySecular Flourishing vs Christian Flourishing... it Gets MessyWhat does Christian flourishing look like, and how does that relate to being human and liturgical anthropology? In this episode, we continue on from our previous conversation talking about liturgical anthropology and what it means to be a "proper" disciple of Jesus. We weave between Charles Taylor, secularism, the Good and Beautiful, and land on something rather interesting.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions...
2022-10-1955 minLunch on The WayPodcast TrailerGet a feel for what you're getting yourself into. Lunch on The Way is about thinking well which leads to living well as faithful followers of Jesus. Graeme, Jonathan, and Joey explore numerous topics that relate to the Church and following Jesus. Be a part of the conversation with us.Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2022-10-1602 minLunch on The WayThe Church in Aotearoa-New Zealand is in Flux, are you Paying Attention?Graeme, Jon, and Joey discuss the shift that is taking place within the church of Aotearoa-New Zealand. Many pastors and church leaders have observed during/after COVID that the church's methodology needs to change because the culture and context of New Zealand has changed. What changes need to happen? What should the church be attentive to?Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs...
2022-10-1656 minLunch on The WayChristian Formation and Liturgical Anthropology, What Does That Mean?Graeme, Jon, and Joey discuss what forms a person as a follower of Jesus, and what should form them. What practices do Christians need to implement? What does it mean to be human?Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.comPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
2022-10-1654 min
Legal Year in ReviewPeople, planet and performance: Embracing ESGIn this article – “People, planet and performance: Embracing ESG” – we review such factors as the greater attention being paid to ESG considerations in 2021; demands on corporations for more rigorous disclosure and achievements regarding ESG matters; the push by regulators for greater diversity disclosure; increased focus on climate-related financial disclosure; progress being made towards universal and verifiable metrics and recommended disclosure for corporate reporting; and the considerable focus during the year on the need to repair Canada’s troubled relationship with its Indigenous communities.This article is authored by Andrew MacDougall and Trevor Scott, partners in Osler’s Corporate pra...
2021-12-2214 min
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2020-06-251h 54
Full Circle | An Independent Magazine For The Ubuntu Linux Community.FreeCAD Special EditionJonathan Hoskin has compiled all ten FreeCAD articles (from Alan Ward) into a single Special Edition.
English PDF
English EPUB
2018-02-1900 min
Herpetological Highlights012 Geckos Down UnderFollowing on from our interview with John McGrath, Australian geckos are our focus for episode 12. We talk about the influences on starred knob tail gecko habitat and why velvet geckos are important food for an elapid snake. Of course there is an Australian gecko for the Species of the Bi-Week. FULL REFERENCE LIST AVAILABLE AT: herphighlights.podbean.com
Main Paper References:
Driscoll, Don A., Catherine A. Whitehead, and Juliana Lazzari. 2012. “Spatial Dynamics of the Knob-Tailed Gecko Nephrurus Stellatus in a Fragmented Agricultural Landscape.” Landscape Ecology 27 (6): 829–41.
Webb, Jonathan K., David A. Pike, and Richar...
2017-10-171h 14Full Circle | An Independent Magazine For The Ubuntu Linux Community.Command & Conquer Special EditionsJonathan Hoskin has compiled three volumes of Command & Conquer.
Volume One English
Volume Two English PDF
Volume Three English PDF
2017-10-1700 min
Entre CómicsEntre Cómics 121- Secret Wars #8. Jonathan Hickman y Esad Ribic. (Marvel).
- Cage Hero #1. Rick Hoskin y Renato Rei sobre creación de Kevin Eastman, Ian Parker y Mark Mastrandea. (Dynamite).
- New Romancer #1. Peter Milligan y Brett Parson. (Vértigo).
- Scarlet Witch #1. James Robinson y Vanesa del Rey. (Marvel).
- Snow Blind #1. Ollie Masters y Tyler Jenkins. (Boom!).
- Star Wars Annual #1. Kieron Gillen y Ángel Unzueta. (Marvel).
2015-12-121h 10