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In The TankExpanding the Definition of Death - In The Tank Podcast #505A recent and highly disturbing New York Times article promoting the idea that doctors should expand the definition of death in order to harvest more organs is stirring up disgust and debate about utilitarianism and the role of doctors or so-called “bioethicists” in shaping medical policy. What is the current state of the organ donation industry and what kind of policy actually makes sense. How far is too far when it comes to medical care?Along similar lines, in this week’s UNHINGED segment, we spotlight another disturbing case: ex-CNN reporter Jim Acosta conducted a ghoulish interview with a...
2025-08-131h 12
Heartland Daily PodcastExpanding the Definition of Death - In The Tank Podcast #505A recent and highly disturbing New York Times article promoting the idea that doctors should expand the definition of death in order to harvest more organs is stirring up disgust and debate about utilitarianism and the role of doctors or so-called “bioethicists” in shaping medical policy. What is the current state of the organ donation industry and what kind of policy actually makes sense. How far is too far when it comes to medical care?Along similar lines, in this week’s UNHINGED segment, we spotlight another disturbing case: ex-CNN reporter Jim Acosta conducted a ghoulish interview with a...
2025-08-131h 12
Real AtheologyRA056: Marilyn McCord Adams and the Defeat of EvilBefore her death in 2017, Marilyn McCord Adams had a long and impressive career as a philosopher and theologian. While she had many interests both philosophical and theological, the problem of evil loomed ever-present in her thinking. I intend this video as an introduction to her views on the problem of evil; specifically on the notion of axiological defeat that features so heavily.
Adams, M. M., & Sutherland, S. (1989). Horrendous evils and the goodness of God. Proceedings of the Aristotelian Society, Supplementary Volumes, 63, 297-323.Adams, M. M. (2018). Horrendous evils and the goodness of God. Cornell University...
2025-02-0223 min
Real AtheologyRA055: Pete Mandik on Materialism, Quine, and Religious MysticismIn this episode, Ben Watkins sits down with Professor Pete Mandik to discuss several different ways of conceiving of materialism along with strengths and weaknesses of each approach. Professor Mandik also gives a summary of a view inspire by Quine he calls “Type-Q Materialism.” Additionally, Ben and Professor Mandik discuss various aspects of religious mysticism and touch on the philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein.
2025-02-021h 55
Real AtheologyRA054: Why Evidence Isn't Everything | Intrinsic ProbabilityThe intrinsic probability of a theory is the probability that a theory has purely in virtue of its intrinsic features. In this video, I give a brief overview of Paul Draper's theory of intrinsic probability according to which the intrinsic probability of a theory depends only on its modesty and coherence.
2025-02-0211 min
Real AtheologyRA053: A Dialogue on Theodicy with Kyle Alander (Christian Idealism)This episode is part interview and part dialogue between Justin Schieber and Christian YouTuber Kyle Alander about Kyle's preferred approach to the problem of evil. Alander adopts a defeat-based approach along the lines of Marilyn McCord Adams, Trent Dougherty, and John Schneider. In this almost four hour long episode, they discuss how defeat is understood in the dialectic surrounding the problem of evil. We also unpack Kyle’s preferred defeat-based theodicy before exploring at some length multiple objections to it in an effort to clarify details. However, one topic we avoid here is whether adding such rich detail to on...
2025-02-024h 00
Real AtheologyRA052: Objective Idealism and Presuppositionalist ApologeticsIn this episode, Ben Watkins sits down to discuss the Van Tillian tradition of presuppositional apologetics often found online along with objective idealism— an epistemological view often associated with Post-Kantians like Hegel, Fichte, and Schelling. Two claims of Van Til are challenged using the resources of objective idealism:
Those two claims are (i) Christianity is a necessary condition to know anything at all and (ii) the Christian and the non-Christian have no neutral ground to resolve their disagreements.
In addition to challenging these claims by appeal to a form of...
2025-02-0221 min
Real AtheologyRA051: Hume the Atheist? A Humean Case against Theism with Paul RussellIn this episode, Ben Watkins sits down with Professor Paul Russell to discuss David Hume, philosophy of religion, and Dialogues concerning Natural Religion.
Professor Russell is a leading Hume scholar and author of “The Riddle of Hume’s Treatise” which argues irreligion is central to understanding the naturalism and skepticism at the heart of Hume’s philosophy, specially, that expressed in his “A Treatise of Human Nature.” These irreligious themes culminate in Hume’s masterpiece: “Dialogues of concerning Natural Religion.”
Professor Russell walks us through different models of god, the argument for d...
2025-02-021h 21
Real AtheologyRA050: THIS is Why God Hides? (Part 8 of the Divine Hiddenness Series)The Hiddenness Series returns. Richard Swinburne's responsibility argument aims to show it's good for God to stay hidden. That way we can investigate God's existence together. Assisting others in this endeavor, says Swinburne, is a very good deed—one we should be thankful to have the opportunity to do. In this video I discuss Swinburne's argument, Schellenberg's response, and Travis Dumsday's reformulation. I then share some of my own objections to the responsibility argument. Most importantly, I explain how it fails to undercut Schellenberg's hiddenness argument.
2025-02-0213 min
The Socratic SessionsThe Hiddenness Argument | Justin Schieber | The Socratic Sessions | Ep #18🔍 Overview: In this episode, Justin and Sam explore J. L. Schellenberg's 'The Hiddenness Argument'. This conversation aims to provide a starting point for both understanding the argument itself and common theistic objections to it.
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2024-10-041h 47
The Socratic SessionsJustin Schieber on Relationship with a Perfectly Loving God🔍 Overview: In this clip, Justin Schieber examines what a perfectly loving God would entail within The Hiddenness Argument and how this concept implies a God who values relationships for their own sake.
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2024-10-0108 min
The Socratic SessionsNonbelievers: Justin Schieber on Reflective vs. Unreflective Nonbelief🔍 Overview: In this clip, Justin Schieber delves into the distinctions between reflective and unreflective nonbelievers and their impact on The Hiddenness Argument. Exploring whether nonbelief needs to be negative or neutral for The Hiddenness Argument to hold.
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2024-09-2706 min
The Socratic SessionsFailing to Find God: Justin Schieber on Nonresistant Nonbelief🔍 Overview: In this episode, Justin Schieber explains the concept of Nonresistant Nonbelief and its significance in The Hiddenness Argument. Examining why this idea is crucial for understanding the philosophical debate on divine hiddenness and the existence of a loving God.
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2024-09-2404 min
Apologetics 315 Podcast144 - A Case for the Soul with Eric HernandezSummaryIn this conversation, Chad Gross interviews Eric Hernandez about the existence of the soul. They discuss the definition of the soul, the relationship between the mind and the brain, and the arguments against physicalism. Eric presents the case for substance dualism and argues that consciousness cannot be reduced to physical properties. They also touch on the panpsychist view of consciousness and its implications. The conversation delves into the philosophy of mind and the implications for atheism and theism. In this conversation, Eric Hernandez discusses the concept of the soul and argues against physicalism and in favor...
2024-08-221h 14
It's OUr PodcastEpisode 13: Justin DamonSenior goaltender Justin Damon joins hosts Kate Schieber and Ashley Beach to discuss his hidden talents, coming to Ohio and more. Edited by Cassie Dye.
2024-02-1629 min
Real AtheologyRA049: The End of Divine Hiddenness? (Part 7 of the Divine Hiddenness Series)This video is a response to a recent video by Christopher Cloos at Christian Philosophy Academy.
Chris' Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9dldyWQwE&t=1445s
In his video, Cloos presents an objection to Schellenberg's divine hiddenness argument from a recent essay by Daniel Howard-Snyder which argues that, possibly, God may hide from people to attain a 'better start' to a relationship with them even while being perfectly loving.
I first trace the dialectic between Daniel Howard-Snyder and J.L. Schellenberg before examining Howard-Snyder's most recent attempt to undermine Schellenberg's argument. I conclude that Howard-Snyder's...
2023-12-2226 min
Real AtheologyRA048: A Conversation on Divine Hiddenness with Gavin Ortlund (Part 6 of the Divine Hiddenness Series)In this video, Justin Schieber joins Dr. Gavin Ortlund for a friendly conversation on Schellenberg's argument from Divine Hiddenness.
2023-12-221h 24
Abide In MeDivine Hiddenness: Why is God Hidden to Those Who Are Sincerely Seeking Him?In this week's episode I talk about why many people who are sincerely seeking God do not find Him. I talk about unconscious barriers that may keep us from experiencing God's presence; the reason why we need to examine our expectations of God; and what God requires from those who seek Him.Bible References:Book of Job; Paul's Conversion, Acts 9:1-19; Whoever would draw near to God, Hebrews 11:6; Adam & Eve's Unearned Wisdom, Genesis 3; God's Higher ays, Isaiah 55:8-9; Lose Life to Find It, Matthew 10:39; Be Not Wise in Your Own Eyes, Proverbs 3:5-8; Become a...
2023-12-1247 min
Real AtheologyRA047: Gavin Ortlund is Wrong about Divine Hiddenness (Part 5 of the Divine Hiddenness Series)A few weeks ago, Gavin Ortlund of Truth Unites released a video exploring the argument from divine hiddenness and giving several objections to it. While I appreciated Gavin's wrestling with the argument, I did not think his objections are successful. This video seeks to respond to those objections by clarifying aspects of Schellenberg's reasoning.
Gavin Ortlund's video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d-6UhOS0FE&t=2262s
2023-11-2934 min
Truth UnitesAtheist and Christian Dialogue on Divine Hiddenness (Justin Schieber and Gavin Ortlund)In this video Gavin Ortlund and Justin Schieber of Real Atheology discuss the problem of divine hiddenness.
Gavin's first video: https://youtu.be/_d-6UhOS0FE?si=udp6g05pmWYJl_Nd
Justin's response: https://youtu.be/jNkCCeij1As?si=8WkC0mSSuYvpzcgb
Justin's book: https://www.amazon.com/Atheist-Christian-Walk-into-Bar/dp/1633882438
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Gavin Ortlund (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary) serves as senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Ojai.
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2023-11-291h 24
Real AtheologyRA046: The Case for Nonresistant Nonbelief (Part 4 of the Divine Hiddenness Series)Welcome back to the Hiddenness Series. In the last episode, we looked at Schellenberg's concept of a nonresistant nonbeliever which plays a central role in his argument from Divine Hiddenness. To refresh, somebody is a nonresistant nonbeliever if they (1) fail to believe that God exists and (2) that failure is not the result of their resistance to God. We also looked at the concept of resistance at play here and we saw that it included a desire component in conjunction with actions or omissions driven by that desire. Certain desire/action/omission combinations, if expressed by a person could conceivably...
2023-11-0318 min
Real AtheologyRA045: What is a Nonresistant Nonbeliever, Really? (Part 3 of the Divine Hiddenness Series)According to Schellenberg’s argument from Divine Hiddenness, a nonresistant nonbeliever is, simply put, somebody who fails to believe in God in such a way that the failure is not itself the result of resistant self-deception. A key premise of the divine hiddenness argument just is the claim that such persons exist and/or have existed in the past. For most people, this premise will appear obvious and this appearance likely the result of their connections and communications with other people. People they know and understand. People they trust and respect. On the other hand, some people claim to be...
2023-10-1813 min
Real AtheologyRA044: The Argument from Divine Hiddenness (Part 2 of the Divine Hiddenness Series)In this episode Justin Schieber continues the hiddenness series by presenting J.L. Schellenberg’s Argument from divine hiddenness. Since the 1993 publication of his Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason Schellenberg’s argument has received widespread attention and still generates deep engagement. This is because many atheists find it to be quite powerful and persuasive. Many theists find it challenging and worth responding to. This episode is intended as a presentation of Schellenberg’s argument, not a full-throated defense.
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2023-10-1821 min
Real AtheologyRA043: The Varieties of Hidden Experience (Part 1 of the Divine Hiddenness Series)Broadly speaking, Arguments from Hiddenness are philosophical arguments with atheistic conclusions arising from the fact that either the felt presence of, the nature of, or the very existence of God is somewhat less clear than we might expect if God existed. As with the problem of evil, there is no single argument from hiddenness. Rather, there is a whole family of arguments united by these ideas. We begin our new hiddenness series with a broad introduction to that family.
2023-10-1823 min
Real AtheologyRA042: Kenny Pearce on Arguments and How to Have Them ProductivelyThis is our second discussion with philosopher doctor Kenny Pearce. In this episode we pick up the conversation by discussing Pearce's thoughts on the practice of apologetics in contrast to philosophy. This led to a consideration of what arguments for or against God may need to be retired or deemphasized. In particular, Pearce explains why the moral argument isn't the most promising argument in the theist's bag. We end by discussing strategies for making dialogues in the philosophy of religion more productive, especially between theists and atheists.
2023-07-191h 42
Real AtheologyRA041: Joe Campbell on Hume's Refutation of the Cosmological ArgumentIn this episode Ben Watkins continues his series on Hume with a look at section IX of Hume's Dialogue's Concerning Natural Religion. Section IX finds Hume's Demea, Philo, and Cleanthes presenting and subjecting to analysis a cosmological argument for the existence of God. Ben and Dr. Joe Campbell discuss the argument as presented and the various criticisms that Hume brings to bear through his three characters.
Dr. Joe Campbell's paper on Section IX of the Dialogues.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/40026984
2023-07-041h 13
Flawed TheologyS2E12: The One Where Nature Threatens GodIn this episode, Phil and Susie discuss how the volume and intensity of animal suffering in the world serves as evidence to disprove theism, especially the version of theism that purports a loving, omniscient, and omnipotent deity. Is animal suffering and the theory of evolution evidence against the existence of a loving God? We expand on the problem of evil that extends beyond human suffering into the animal world.
Show Notes and Links:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53549936
https://emersongreenblog.wordpress.com/2023/04/26/animal-suffering-is-evidence-against-gods-existence/
Emerson Green Debate: http://counterapologetics.blubrry.net/2023/05/10/ca115-post-debate-interview-w-justin-schieber-of-real-atheology/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.ni...
2023-06-181h 06
Real AtheologyRA040: Jeffrey Jay Lowder on Philosophy of ReligionIn this episode, Justin Schieber sits down with Jeffrey Jay Lowder for a wide-ranging interview. Fans of the show will no doubt be familiar with Jeff's work. From founding Infidels.org and the Secular Outpost to his contributions to The Empty Tomb and his several public debates, Jeff has earned his reputation as a fair-minded and philosophically informed atheist. We discuss the origin of infidels.org, Paul Draper's famous argument from Pain and Pleasure and everything in between.
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2023-06-1858 minReal AtheologyRA039: Matthew Adelstein on Utilitarianism and TheismIn this episode, Ben Watkins sits down with Matthew Adelstein to discuss utilitarianism and theism. Utilitarianism, in its classical forms, claims that what we morally ought to do is act in ways that would maximize happiness and minimize suffering. This simple moral calculus is open to several important objections, but if true, has important consequences for theism as traditionally conceived. If God morally should create a world that maximizes happiness and minimize suffering, as would be the case if hedonistic act utilitarianism were true, then we are clearly not talking about the actual world. There could be much more...
2023-06-0442 minApologetics 315 Podcast117 - Catching Up on Various TopicsIn this episode, Brian Auten and Chad Gross discuss a variety of topics.1:46 - Chad makes English Tea3:20 - Where have we been?4:20 - Mailbag question: Apologetics songs?15:45 - What have we been reading?16:11 - The Discipline of Grace by Jerry Bridges18:13 - The Knight & Rose Show18:27 - Common Sense Economics19:09 - When the Church Was Young19:54 - Not so keen on C.S. Lewis?23:39 - Why There Is No God29:46 - Pocket History of the Church30:25 - What we’ve been watching…30:34 - Guardians of the...
2023-05-2257 minReal AtheologyRA038: Debate: Schieber and Hernandez on the Existence of God.This debate was between Christian apologist Eric Hernandez and atheist podcaster Justin Schieber. The event was organized by Capturing Christianity and held on May 6, 2023 at the Lanier Theological Library in Houston, TX. Visit capturingchristianity.com for this and similar events.
2023-05-162h 21
Doubts Aloud PodcastEpisode 64 - Josh Parikh - A Crisis in Christian Apologetics? Part 1Show NotesJosh Parikh is an old friend of ours having contributed to our Discussion Groups over many years as a Christian Apologist who has always thought deeply about the issues and maintained intellectual integrity. He has been on a journey, especially having engaged with Biblical scholarship. This has overlapped with his time at Oxford University and continued since graduating. Like many, he has remained a Christian and has moved in a ‘progressive’ direction. Josh recently gave a talk “A Tumultuous Period in Apologetics?” to the “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in London, and we were eager to have him sha...
2023-05-071h 22Real AtheologyRA037: Bill Vanderburgh on Misinterpretations of Hume’s Of MiraclesAs a follow up to the last episode which gave a general overview of Hume's famous essay, Ben Watkins interviews philosopher Dr. Bill Vanderburgh on his 2019 book David Hume on Miracles, Evidence, and Probability. The conversation explores some of the reasons the text is often misinterpreted. The importance of placing Hume in his historical context is emphasized in response to common objections.
Get Dr. Vandenburgh's excellent book here: https://www.amazon.com/David-Hume-Miracles-Evidence-Probability-ebook/dp/B07PV79RRL/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3UDWN1IY3TMUE&keywords=vanderburgh+hume+miracles&qid=1682108975&sprefix=vanderburgh+hume+miracle%2Caps%2C341...
2023-04-2136 minReal AtheologyRA036: Ben Watkins on Hume Against the Believability of MiraclesIn this episode, Real Atheology co-host Ben Watkins takes us on a tour through parts one and two of Hume's controversial essay 'Of Miracles'. Ben begins by providing context that serves to undercut some popular but ultimately uncharitable readings of Hume's central thesis. With the infamous argument clarified, other common objections are also explored.
2023-04-081h 07Real AtheologyRA035: Andrew Pavelich on the Moral Problem with the Free Will DefensePerhaps the most common response to the problem of evil is an appeal to the goodness of free will. Free will, it is argued, is so good that it justifies God's policy of non-intervention in cases where evil is the result of the free actions of moral agents. in his 2019 article published in The Heythrop Journal titled The Moral Problem with the Free Will Defense Against the Problem of Evil, Dr. Andrew Pavelich argues that there exists a deep disconnect between the theist's appraisal of free will's value and the role it plays in our everyday moral judgements. In...
2023-03-261h 18
Real AtheologyRA034: Kenny Pearce on Protestantism, Catholicism, and ApologeticsIn the second part of Ryan's interview with Dr. Kenny Pearce, they discuss some of the issues surrounding the debate between Protestantism and Catholicism. In the second half the discussion turns to the issue of apologetics and whether there exists a clean distinction between it and philosophy of religion.
2023-03-1057 minReal AtheologyRA033: Kenny Pearce on Fruitful Dialogue and the History of PhilosophyIn this first part of Ryan Downie’s interview with Dr. Kenny Pearce, strategies for productive dialogue with those who hold opposing views are discussed. The conversation then turns to discussing the value of historical approaches to philosophy. Finally, they discuss Leibniz contributions to philosophy of religion and the strengths and weaknesses of different approaches to cosmological arguments.
2023-02-241h 24Real AtheologyRA032: Dustin Crummett on Harmony and HiddennessIn this, the second half of Justin's interview with Dr. Dustin Crummett, they discuss an early paper of his in which he expands on an objection to the argument from divine hiddenness. The objection, known as the responsibility objection, claims that one reason God might have to keep belief from non-resistant persons is the good of the responsibility on the part of some in helping others learn truths of and about God. We also touch on his recent work on the argument from psychophysical harmony.
2023-02-1149 minReal AtheologyRA031: Dustin Crummett on Suffering, Spiders, and SimulationsIn this episode, Justin Schieber interviews philosopher Dr. Dustin Crummett (dustincrummett.com, https://www.youtube.com/@dustin.crummett, @Dustin_Crummett). Dr. Crummett received his PhD from the University of Notre Dame in 2018, and specializes in social and political philosophy, ethics, and philosophy of religion. In this first of two episodes, we discuss Dr. Crummett's fascinating work relating to the problem of evil.
2023-01-271h 00Real AtheologyRA030: Michael Hemmingsen on Soul-Making and Social ProgressIn this episode, returning host Justin Schieber interviews Dr. Michael Hemmingsen on his 2020 paper titled Soul-Making and Social Progress which was published in the International Journal for Philosophy of Religion. John Hick's Soul-Making theodicy, according to which suffering exists to provide opportunities to develop our moral virtue, is a popular response to the problem of evil. In his paper, Dr. Hemmingsen argues that advocates of John Hick's Soul-Making theodicy are thereby committed to opposing social progress.
2023-01-1337 min
Real AtheologyRA029: Leibnizian Cosmological Arguments with Josh RasmussenWe sit down with leading analytic philosopher of religion Prof. Josh Rasmussen to discuss Leibnizian cosmological arguments. We also bring on a special guest, Logos, to facilitate a dialogue with Prof. Rasmussen as we all journey together to explore the very cutting edge of this important debate. This dialogue pushes the dialectic forward in ways that can benefit both theists and atheists.
You can follow Prof. Josh Rasmussen's work at:
https://joshualrasmussen.com/
Be sure to check out Prof. Rasmussen's magisterial work Necessary Existence:
https...
2022-05-291h 39Real AtheologyRA028: Ben Watkins vs Trent Horn Debate ReviewIn this episode, we critically review our co-host Ben Watkins's debate against Trent Horn of Catholic Answers at Capturing Christianity's conference CCv1. We are joined by esteemed guests Felipe Leon and Joe Schmid. This wide-ranging discussion covers such topics as intrinsic value, classical versus personalist models of God, the argument from motion, existential inertia, and the privation theory of evil.
You can find Felipe Leon's work via the links below:
http://exapologist.blogspot.com
https://elcamino.academia.edu/FelipeLeon
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2021-09-222h 20Real AtheologyRA027, Pt. 2: Dr. C.M. Lorkowski on Atheism and PhilosophyThis episode ran a bit long, so we're splitting it into two parts. Here we interview Dr. C.M. Lorkowski on his new book Atheism Considered: A Survey of the Rational Rejection of Religious Belief (2020).
This book is a systematic presentation of challenges to the existence of a higher power. Rather than engaging in a polemic against a religious worldview, Lorkowski charitably refutes the classical arguments for the existence of God, pointing out flaws in their underlying reasoning and highlighting difficulties inherent to revealed sources. In place of a theistic worldview, he argues for...
2021-08-261h 43Real AtheologyRA027, Pt. 1: Dr. C.M. Lorkowski on Atheism and PhilosophyThis episode ran a bit long, so we're splitting it into two parts. Here we interview Dr. C.M. Lorkowski on his new book Atheism Considered: A Survey of the Rational Rejection of Religious Belief (2020).
This book is a systematic presentation of challenges to the existence of a higher power. Rather than engaging in a polemic against a religious worldview, Lorkowski charitably refutes the classical arguments for the existence of God, pointing out flaws in their underlying reasoning and highlighting difficulties inherent to revealed sources. In place of a theistic worldview, he argues for...
2021-08-261h 38
Capturing Christianity PodcastCC075: DEBATE: The Problem of Evil - Cameron Bertuzzi vs Justin SchieberOver the course of about 2 months, atheist podcaster Justin Schieber and I engaged in a formal written debate on the Problem of Evil. It gets a little technical at points, so I highly recommend reading the transcript (available on our patreon page here: https://bit.ly/2MCrxYp).
The format of the debate was 15 minute openings, 10 minute rebuttals, and 8 minute closings. We each had up to seven days to issue our responses, ask for clarification, etc. It was originally written and later orated for the August 28th, 2017 episode of the Real Atheology Podcast.
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2020-10-291h 06
Capturing Christianity PodcastCC051: Schellenberg's Argument from Hiddenness - Justin Schieber, Blake Giunta, and othersIn this Theist/Atheist Discussion, we're tackling the argument from Hiddenness again but this time with a new group. This discussion features atheists and hosts of the Real Atheoloy podcast Justin Schieber and Ben Watkins. The theists are Josh Parikh and Blake Giunta.
The formulation of the argument being discussed is Schellenberg's most recent formulation:
(1) If a perfectly loving God exists, then there exists a God who is always open to a personal relationship with any finite person.
(2) If there exists a God who is always open to a personal relationship with any finite person, then no finite person is...
2020-08-041h 58
Real AtheologyRA026: Aron Lucas on the Fine Tuning ArgumentFor this episode, we interview Aron Lucas about his objection to the Fine Tuning argument in his paper "Naturalism, Fine-Tuning, and Flies" that is published at https://infidels.org/library/modern/aron_lucas/flies.html
2019-09-2354 min
Real AtheologyRA025: Dr. Felipe Leon on Mitigated Modal SkepticismFor this episode, we interview philosopher Dr. Felipe Leon on the topic of Mitigated Modal Skepticism, the view that our modal knowledge is limited to the mundane. It seeks to the ground our modal knowledge in empirical sources, such as observation and observation-sensitive theory. This would mean our modal knowledge can not be extended to possibilities critical to a large variety of theistic arguments. We end up covering a number of related topics in the philosophy of religion. Felipe also runs the ex-apologist philosophy of religion blog which has a wealth of fantastic content that listeners to this podcast w...
2019-07-121h 06
Real AtheologyRA024: Interview with Islamic Apologist Zach ChristIn this episode, the Bens get a fresh perspective from Zach Christ, a Muslim from America who now lives in Turkey. During the interview, Zach and the Bens compare and contrast the beliefs and philosophical defenses of Islam and Christianity, delving into the concepts of God, miracles, and the afterlife. They also discuss people's attitudes toward Islam in America and Turkey.
2019-06-1059 min
Real AtheologyRA023: The Argument from Motion We're back with a new episode! This time we tackle the Argument from Motion as presented in Ed Feser's book "Five Proofs of the Existence of God".
2019-02-0454 min
Real AtheologyRA022: Jason Thibodeau on the Euthyphro DilemmaIn this episode the Real Atheologians interview Jason Thibodeau about the famous Euthyphro Dilemma and how to respond to apologists who try to split the dilemma. Jason is an Assistant Professor of Philosophy at Cypress College.
2018-08-211h 20
Real AtheologyRA020: Alex Malpass on the KalamThis is a follow-up episode on the Kalam Cosmological Argument where we interview philosopher Alex Malpass about his upcoming paper, co-authored with Wes Morriston, on the Kalam. Among other things, we discuss potential vs. actual/completed infinities, beginningless pasts, endless futures, and symmetry breakers. We'd also like to apologize to our Patreons, this episodes our return to properly thanking each of you at the end of the episode.
2018-08-141h 14
Real AtheologyRA021: Interview with Graham OppyIn this episode the Real Atheologians interview philosopher Dr. Graham Oppy. We discuss the Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism, defining naturalism, the Modal Ontological Argument, and a number of issues in contemporary philosophy of religion.
2018-07-011h 08
Real AtheologyRA019: The Kalam Cosmological ArgumentThis is a new beginning for Real Atheology as Ben Watkins welcomes Ben Bavar and John Lopilato as new co-hosts to the cast. Justin Schieber has taken a break from philosophy of religion in general to focus on college. We’ve decided to start things off with a Big Bang by tackling the Kalam Cosmological argument!
2018-06-041h 03
Real AtheologyRA018: Scott Davison on Petitionary PrayerToday I interview Dr. Scott Davison. Dr. Davison is professor of philosophy at Morehead State University where he specializes in Metaphysics, Ethics, and Philosophy of Religion. Dr. Davison and I connected back in May of last year at a conference here in Grand rapids - a science and religion dialogue for which he was the keynote speaker. The presentation was on his recently released a book titled Petitionary Prayer; a Philosophical Investigation. I really enjoyed his analysis and had to have him on the show.
2018-03-1835 min
Real AtheologyRA017: Erik Wielenberg on Debating MoralityIn this episode, Ben Watkins sits down with philosopher Dr. Erik Wielenberg in Raleigh, NC immediately after his debate with philosopher Dr. William Lane Craig at NC state University. The debate, held on February 23rd, 2018, was on the question of what better explains objective moral values and duties. Wielenberg defended a form of godless normative realism while Craig defended a modified divine command theory. The discussion surveys the arguments and responses used in the debate as well as a few other topics in philosophy of religion.
2018-03-0546 min
The Science Enthusiast PodcasttSE 068 - Philosophy of Rick and Morty with Real Atheology Podcast!This week, we talked to Justin Schieber and Ben Watkins of the Real Atheology Podcast about the philosophy behind one of our favorite TV shows ever, Rick and Morty!
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2017-10-1200 min
Real AtheologyRA016: What is Skeptical Theism?Skeptical Theism is a philosophical position about our ability to make meaningful inferences about what God, if such a being exists, is likely to create or allow. In this episode, Ben and Justin discuss one particular version of Skeptical Theism and the implications it has on arguments from evil and a few other issues as well.
2017-10-1029 min
Real AtheologyRA015: Debating the Problem of Evil With Justin Schieber and Cameron BertuzziRather than a live debate, what you are about to hear is an audio performance of an already written debate that’s been going on behind the scenes for the last month or so in the form of a series of essays written in reply to each other. The debate was on the problem of evil and it was between Justin Schieber and Cameron Bertuzzi. The debate clocks in at about an hour.
2017-08-281h 08
Real AtheologyRA014: Paul Moser on Religious Epistemology and God's ElusivenessIn this episode Ben Watkins interviews philosopher Dr. Paul Moser. Dr. Moser is Professor of Philosophy at Loyola University Chicago. Professor Moser has published over 80 articles and authored many books including The Elusive God and The Evidence for God; Religious Knowledge Reexamined. Professor Moser’s research interests include epistemology, metaphilosophy, and the philosophy of religion. The interview touches on issues of religious epistemology, the hiddenness of God, and even natural theology.
2017-08-0356 min
Real AtheologyRA013: Quentin Smith on Natural Evils and Immaterial MindsA few weeks back I was delighted to have the opportunity to interview Dr. Quentin Smith. We sat down not far from the Western Michigan University Campus where he was professor of philosophy from 1993 until he retired in 2015. Dr. Smith received his bachelor's degree in philosophy from Antioch College and his PhD in philosophy from Boston College. He has written and published over 140 articles and has written and co-written several books including one with William Lane Craig titled Theism, Atheism, and Big Bang Cosmology. While brief, the interview covers a wide variety of subjects from Smith’s 1986 book on Th...
2017-07-1925 min
Real AtheologyRA012: Felipe Leon on Ex Nihilo CreationFor this episode, we interview Dr. Felipe Leon on the metaphysical possibility of creation ex nihilo - or creation ‘out of nothing’. This is an indispensable metaphysical doctrine to classical theists. Dr. Felipe Leon is professor of philosophy at El Camino College in Torrance, CA. He received his M.A and Ph.D at University of California Riverside, and his current research interests are in philosophy of religion and modal epistemology. Recently, Dr. Leon co-edited and contributed to a collection along with Bob Fischer entitled Modal Epistemology After Rationalism. Among other things, the collection indicates the recent trend in moda...
2017-07-0254 min
Real AtheologyRA011: Counter Apologist on God and EthicsFor this episode, Ben Watkins and Justin Schieber interview Counter Apologist on the moral argument. The moral argument is an argument about moral ontology and includes a premise which states, if God exists, objective moral values and duties do not exist. We discuss various strategies for interacting with this argument.
2017-06-2251 min
Real AtheologyRA010: Ozymandias Ramses II on Atheism and LacktheismYoutuber Ozymandias Ramses joins Justin Schieber and Ben Watkins to discuss competing contemporary definitions of atheism. Agnosticism and the burden of proof or justification are also discussed.
2017-05-3158 min
Real AtheologyRA009: Wes Morriston on Moral Freedom and The Moral Argument For this episode of Real Atheology, Justin Schieber and Ben Watkins interview philosopher Wes Morriston. Dr. Morriston earned his PhD in philosophy from Northwestern University in 1972 and was a professor of philosophy at University of Colorado, Boulder from 1972-2014 when he retired as Emeritus Professor of Philosophy. Prof Morriston specialized in philosophy of religion. In the interview we discuss a variety of topics including a supposed tension that exists between a belief in what is often assumed to be the great value of free will on the one hand and the belief in God’s essential goodness on the othe...
2017-05-2248 min
Real AtheologyRA008: Evan Fales on the Problem of EvilIn this episode, Justin Schieber sits down with philosopher Evan Fales to talk about some of his work on the problem of evil as well as how he became interested in issues in philosophy of religion. Dr. Fales is professor emeritus at University of Iowa. Professor Fales' research interests include philosophy of science, metaphysics, epistemology, and most relevant to today's episode, philosophy of religion. RealAtheology.com YouTube Facebook Twitter Patreon Paypal
2017-04-3047 min
Real AtheologyRA007: Irreducibly Normative Truths?Cory Markum joins Ben Watkins to discuss some questions about normativity. Many apologists put forward moral arguments for the existence of God which claim that atheism implies some form of moral nihilism. While both Ben and Cory do not find these arguments persuasive, Cory is not so sure about the view that is often called "moral realism." This view states that there are mind independent moral truths about what actions are good and bad, right and wrong, and virtuous and vicious. Ben, on the other hand, is a moral realist, because he accepts a realist view about normativity in...
2017-04-171h 14
Real AtheologyRA006: Josh Parikh on Resistant Non-BeliefOxford philosophy student Josh Parikh joins Justin Schieber to discuss Josh’s rejection of a key premise in Schellenberg’s Hiddenness Argument (previously discussed in RA004). The premise, which states that there do in fact exist persons who are non-resistantly in a state of non-belief about God’s existence, is largely taken to be true by most philosophers of religion. RealAtheology.com YouTube Facebook Twitter Patreon Paypal
2017-04-0552 min
Real AtheologyRA005: Debate: Schieber and Arndt on God and SufferingIf an all-powerful, all-knowing, and perfectly good God exists, how does one explain the existence, intensity, and distribution of moral and natural suffering in our world? In this episode, Justin Schieber and Christian theist Timothy Arndt square off for a lively philosophical debate on the age-old puzzle that surrounds God and suffering. The debate was held at Grand Valley State University’s Allendale campus in the Cook DeWitt Center Auditorium on March 2, 2017. Hosted by Center for Inquiry at Grand Valley and RatioChristi. Moderated by CJ Thompson RealAtheology.com Yo...
2017-03-221h 03
Real AtheologyRA004: Debate: Schieber and Giunta on Divine HiddennessEver since philosopher John Schellenberg published Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason in 1993, the argument from divine hiddenness has received an immense amount of attention from philosophers and laypersons. This episode features a lengthy interaction between Justin Schieber and Blake Giunta of beliefmap.org. The interaction was hosted on Unbelievable with its ever-gracious host, Justin Brierley. YouTube Facebook Twitter Patreon Paypal
2017-02-251h 03
Unbelievable?Why is God hidden? Justin Schieber and Blake GiuntaIf God exists why doesn’t he make his existence more obvious to everyone? Atheist philosophers such as John Schellenburg have argued that God’s ‘hiddenness’ from non-believers who would otherwise want to be in a relationship with him is evidence that God does not exist. Justin Schieber return for a philosophical edition of the show to defend this objection against God.
Blake Giunta is a young Christian philosopher. He explains why he believes Schellenberg’s argument against God is faulty. God may have many good reasons not to reveal himself explicitly to non-believers.
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2017-02-241h 22
Real AtheologyRA003: Debate: God and Finite CreaturesAll creatures that exist in the actual world are finite creatures - that much is obvious. If God exists, he has created them. But should the fact of their finitude count against theism? Does theism lead us to expect to observe fundamentally different beings? In this episode, Justin Schieber and Canadian theologian Randal Rauser dialogue on these questions and more. YouTube Facebook Twitter Patreon Paypal
2017-02-1130 min
Real AtheologyRA002: Article: The Problem of Evil and Some Varieties of AtheismAfter the apparent demise of a popular version of the logical problem of evil, philosopher William Rowe sought to resurrect the problem of evil in an inductive form. The result was his 1979 article titled The Problem of Evil and Some Varieties of Atheism. In this episode, Justin Schieber and Ben Watkins have an in-depth dialogue about that important article. YouTube Facebook Twitter Patreon Paypal
2017-02-0227 min
Real AtheologyRA001: Born Again AtheologyIn the first installment of the Real Atheology Podcast, we discuss our plans for the show as well as the benefits that the podcasting format has over Youtube with regard to the kinds of long-form philosophical discussion we're after. RealAtheology.com YouTube Facebook Twitter Patreon Paypal
2017-01-3012 min
Serious Inquiries OnlySIO7: An Atheist and a Christian Walk into a Bar...Joining me today are that atheist and that Christian, and their names are Justin Schieber and Randal Rauser. Justin and Randal have written a book containing a very fruitful and respectful dialogue between an atheist and a Christian. Today they talk about the origins of the project and then were kind enough to go over one of the many arguments contained in the book! The argument is on the hostility of the universe and whether it makes sense under theism. There's a very spirited back and forth that I encourage you to listen to! You can find the book here...
2017-01-1659 minUnbelievable?An Atheist and a Christian walk into a bar… Justin Schieber and Randal RauserRandal Rauser is a Christian theologian and philosopher, Justin Schieber is an atheist philosopher. They’ve written a conversational book together called “An Atheist and a Christian Walk into a bar… Talking about God, The universe and everything” (Prometheus).
In this show they discuss one of the themes of the book: religious disagreement. If there is a God shouldn’t we expect to find people across the world to have broadly have the same ideas about him? And since they don’t, is that evidence against God? Justin says yes, Randal says no.
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2017-01-131h 21
The Fascinating PodcastAn Atheist and a Christian Walk into a PodcastRandal Rauser returns to the StoryMen, bringing his friend, co-author and atheologian Justin Schieber with him. They show us how an athiest and a Christian can engage in kind, respectful and profitable dialog - all for the common good!
2016-12-1609 min
ApologiaInquisition: Brandon Tejedor – Part 1I first met Brandon Tejedor over a plastic tray piled high with slow-cooked pit barbecue and pickled jalapeños. Though Brandon was Christian seminary student of apologetics, he had come to meet Justin Schieber, an atheist debater whom he respected and admired. In this discussion, I learn about Brandon's story and his difficult and circuitous path between doubt and faith, and what led him ultimately to accept Christ and a life in service to the Church which he frequently criticizes alongside me.
2016-03-011h 19ApologiaInquisition: Averroes ParachaI first met Averroes Paracha at a debate between Justin Schieber and Blake Giunta held at the University of Texas at Dallas. He was introduced to me as an skeptical and agnostic former Muslim with interesting ideas about God. Since that time, Averroes has come to embrace theism, and even Christian theism. He was scheduled to be baptized at the 1042 Church pastored by my former debate partner Dr. Justin Bass, so I met up with Averroes to inaugurate the Inquisition project, find out a little more about his background, and get to know what had led him to discover Jes...
2016-01-0153 minSerious Inquiries OnlyAS176: Justin Schieber vs Robert Johnson, Part 2The first ever Atheistically Speaking live debate, part 2! Thanks so much to those who participated! If you’d prefer to watch the debate, you can definitely do so by following this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63XGMDVsNVg Or you can listen to the podcast version which has slightly better audio. The post AS176: Justin Schieber vs Robert Johnson, Part 2 appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
2015-10-0158 minSerious Inquiries OnlyAS175: Justin Schieber vs Robert Johnson, Part 1The first ever Atheistically Speaking live debate! Thanks so much to those who participated! If you’d prefer to watch the debate, you can definitely do so by following this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63XGMDVsNVg Or you can listen to the podcast version which has slightly better audio. The post AS175: Justin Schieber vs Robert Johnson, Part 1 appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
2015-09-281h 02Serious Inquiries OnlyAS174: Ryan Bell, Part 2More with the incredibly engaging and interesting Ryan Bell! Last reminder, watch the live debate between Justin Schieber and Robert Johnson! This Saturday, noon Pacific time! https://plus.google.com/events/cu24d10qirl4m53vsl3f3o7htf4?authkey=CIft9qSSnNS-8QE The post AS174: Ryan Bell, Part 2 appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
2015-09-2450 minSerious Inquiries OnlyAS162: Real Atheology with Justin Schieber, Part 2We’re back for more with Justin Schieber! We delve deeper into the evidential problem of suffering and as always, I ask some meandering questions that hopefully take us in some interesting directions! You can find the channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQa6mPLOE2yuMCrDjRio_nA and just on Twitter @justinsweh. The post AS162: Real Atheology with Justin Schieber, Part 2 appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
2015-08-1336 minSerious Inquiries OnlyAS161: Real Atheology with Justin SchieberWelcome back to the show for what I think is the third time, Justin Schieber! Justin has himself a brand new youtube channel called Real Atheology that I think you guys will love! We talk about his first video – The Evidential Problem of Suffering. You can find the channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQa6mPLOE2yuMCrDjRio_nA and just on Twitter … Continue reading AS161: Real Atheology with Justin Schieber → The post AS161: Real Atheology with Justin Schieber appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
2015-08-1037 minSerious Inquiries OnlyAS112: Justin Schieber Returns, Part 2!It’s Justin Schieber, part 2! Justin Schieber is back for a discussion on apologetics! Justin is an accomplished debater, and a refreshingly clear thinker regarding apologetics. Justin gives the arguments a very fair shake, and avoids straw men like the plague. Great qualities for an Atheistically Speaking guest! Check out his site http://www.justinsweh.com/ for his upcoming … Continue reading AS112: Justin Schieber Returns, Part 2! → The post AS112: Justin Schieber Returns, Part 2! appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
2015-02-1939 minSerious Inquiries OnlyAS111: Justin Schieber Returns!Justin Schieber is back for a discussion on apologetics! Justin is an accomplished debater, and a refreshingly clear thinker regarding apologetics. Justin gives the arguments a very fair shake, and avoids straw men like the plague. Great qualities for an Atheistically Speaking guest! Check out his site http://www.justinsweh.com/ for his upcoming debates! Find him on Twitter … Continue reading AS111: Justin Schieber Returns! → The post AS111: Justin Schieber Returns! appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
2015-02-1644 min
Reasonable Doubts PodcastRD Extra: Kozak vs Schieber - Does the Christian God Exist?This debate on the existence of the Christian God took place at Ferris State University on October 23rd.
Steven Kozak - Christian Apologist, Author (Stevenkozak.com)
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2014-08-2000 minSerious Inquiries OnlyAS48: Nonresistant Unbeliever Justin Schieber, Part 2This week we have Justin Schieber who I’m sure all of my listeners know from Reasonable Doubts, http://doubtcast.org! His website though is http://Justinsweh.com where you’ll find some great debate videos and other content. For Thursday’s show we ventured deeper into counter apologetics and religious philosophy. I loved this discussion! Don’t miss it! The post AS48: Nonresistant Unbeliever Justin Schieber, Part 2 appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
2014-07-1047 minSerious Inquiries OnlyAS47: Nonresistant Unbeliever Justin SchieberThis week we have Justin Schieber who I’m sure all of my listeners know from Reasonable Doubts, http://doubtcast.org! His website though is http://Justinsweh.com where you’ll find some great debate videos and other content. Justin is a perfect guest for Atheistically Speaking because he brings a calm, well-read and meticulous approach to religious philosophy. Tune in as … Continue reading AS47: Nonresistant Unbeliever Justin Schieber → The post AS47: Nonresistant Unbeliever Justin Schieber appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
2014-07-0748 minUnbelievable?Did God command 'genocide' in the Old Testament? John Allister vs Justin Schieber - Unbelievable?
1 Samuel Chapter 15 may be one of the hardest passages in the Bible to reconcile with a God of love. It describes God apparently commanding the slaughter of men, women and children in the Amalekite tribe.
How can Christians who take OT passages on warfare seriously reconcile it with the God of love shown in Jesus? Is God Evil?
John Allister is the vicar of St. Jude's Church, Nottingham. He argues that the passage needs to be understood in its context.
Justin Schieber is co host of th...
2014-06-231h 20Reasonable Doubts PodcastRD Extra: Andrews vs Schieber Debate - Does the God of Christianity ExistThis debate was not a live debate, rather it was a series of audio exchanges that took place through the months of June and July of 2013. The exchanges were according to agreed upon time limitations on each section. For each of their several sections, the debaters were given at least a week to analyze, script and record their entries before submitting it to their opponent. Each submission, has been edited together in the agreed upon order for your listening interest. As one speaker ends, the next will follow without interruption.20 minutes were allowed to each debater for opening statements.Followed...
2013-08-0300 minReasonable Doubts PodcastRD Extra: Smith vs Schieber - The Status of God in the 21st CenturyLast month Justin Schieber was invited by Etcetera (Etcetera.org) to Traverse City, Michigan to debate/discuss with Scott Smith (TCApologetics.org) the ‘Status of God in the 21st Century‘. The lively discussion touched on a wide range of topics from moral intuitions to the strength of positing a God as an explanation. For video of the debate go to www.doubtcast.org<img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/reasonabledoubts/Msxh/~4/MWshJNb5Tc0" height="1" width="1" alt=""/>
2013-05-1700 minReasonable Doubts PodcastRD Extra: Orme vs Schieber Debate - Does The Christian God Exist?For this RD Extra, we give you a lengthy debate on the existence of the Christian god. Arguing in the affirmative is apologist Jared Orme of Conversion Points Radio and in the negative, Justin Schieber. Reasonable Doubts wants to thank Jared for the time and effort he put into this exchange<img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/reasonabledoubts/Msxh/~4/zvGVFYfrQ-g" height="1" width="1" alt=""/>
2013-03-1700 minReasonable Doubts PodcastRD Extra: Debating the Amalekite GenocideWhen Richard Dawkins wrote “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction.”, he was spot on. Many Jews and Christians recognize the deep problems these texts present to their views on the most basic moral questions. Unfortunately, it’s become commonplace for some christian apologists to claim they ‘wrestle’ with these difficult passages when, in reality, they are rewriting them. Recently, Justin Schieber was invited to debate God’s command to slaughter the Amalekites on the popular christian radio show, ‘Unbelievable’ against apologist John Allister. In this episode, we give you the debate, re...
2013-02-0100 min