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Evolving PrisonsUnder pressure: the trauma expertThis is episode 6 of a special 6-part series exploring the mental toll frontline professionals carry as they do vital work to protect all of us.Sean McCallum is a crisis intervention and trauma consultant, and a watch manager in the UK fire service where he's served for 23 years. In this episode, Sean shares his view on why some experiences are traumatic for some individuals but not others, what might cause flashbacks and rumination, and how sleep - or lack there of - can shape how we process trauma.Sean is not a clinician. His perspective...2025-07-2155 min
Evolving PrisonsUnder pressure: the paramedicThis is episode 5 of a special 6-part series exploring the mental toll frontline professionals carry as they do vital work to protect all of us.Lea Vaughan was a Hazardous Area Response Team paramedic and one of only three medics to treat victims inside the arena during the Manchester Arena bombing in 2017 - the largest casualty she'd ever faced. In this episode, Lea reflects on the night of the attack and the lasting psychological impact. She speaks about the lack of support she received afterwards and the unexpected public backlash she faced, including death threats, as a...2025-07-1451 min
Evolving PrisonsUnder pressure: the prison officerThis is episode 4 of a special 6-part series exploring the mental toll frontline professionals carry as they do vital work to protect all of us.Craig Wylde became a prison officer in 2006. Just four years later, at the age of 28, he was stabbed by a prisoner and left with life-changing injuries that forced his medical retirement. In this episode, Craig speaks about the attack and the long, painful process of coming to terms with a new reality. He speaks about the mental toll of the trauma and how, at his lowest point, he contemplated taking his own...2025-07-0743 min
Evolving PrisonsUnder pressure: the army colonelThis is episode 3 of a special 6-part series exploring the mental toll frontline professionals carry as they do vital work to protect all of us.Philip Ingram MBE joined the British Army in 1984 and served until 2010, leaving as a colonel. In this episode, he reflects on several difficult moments during his career, particularly his time during the Iraq war in Basra. He speaks about the trauma of losing a close friend, of having to read autopsy reports of soldiers who died, and witnessing distressing images of a helicopter being shot down. He shares the ways in which...2025-06-3030 min
Evolving PrisonsUnder pressure: the police officerThis is episode 2 of a special 6-part series exploring the mental toll frontline professionals carry as they do vital work to protect all of us.Wayne Campbell joined the police service in Northern Ireland in 2004 and spent much of his career as a detective, including overseeing the family liaison response for some of the country’s most devastating incidents - from homicides and fatal road accidents to mass casualty events. In this episode, Wayne tells us about two of the most defining and harrowing experiences of his career: being attacked by a loyalist terrorist group, and flying to...2025-06-2347 min
Evolving PrisonsUnder pressure: the firefighterThis is episode 1 of a special 6-part series exploring the mental toll frontline professionals carry as they do vital work to protect all of us.James Bull has been a firefighter for 25 years. In 2017, he made the brave decision to speak publicly about his experience of PTSD - a step that led to a three-year journey with a documentary film crew, capturing the mental health realities of the emergency services. In this episode, James tell us about two of the most psychologically difficult incidents of his career: a fatal road accident where he feared one of the...2025-06-1656 min
REAL24 Hour Podcast: Working Behind Bars with Kaigan CarrieOn the 17th of May, I hosted a 24 hour live podcast to raise money for Victim Support UK.
In this session, we hear from Kaigan Carrie, who is currently studying for her PHD, focusing on the working conditions of prison officers. It's a part of the justice system we don't hear of often and in this session, Kaigan gives us insight into the lives of some of the prison officers she's met and how we can support them.
To follow Kaigan's work and to listen to her podcast 'Evolving Prisons', you can do so here...2025-05-2727 min
Evolving PrisonsInsights from witnessing 28 executions on death rowJustin Jones has worked in corrections in America for 47 years and was Director of the Oklahoma Department of Corrections for 8 years. During this time he witnessed 28 executions of people on death row. Who is there when the execution takes place? How did watching these impact him, particularly since he doesn’t believe in the death penalty? How did he get access to the drug required when pharmaceutical companies weren’t providing it? And if it isn’t a medical professional or prison staff member who administers the lethal injection, then who is it? Evolving Prisons linksWebsi...2024-11-071h 13
Evolving PrisonsPrison work and paranormal stories from HMP ShrewsburyI took the podcast to HMP Shrewsbury to interview former prison officer Graham, who has 38 years' experience in the job. He spent many years working at Shrewsbury, a prison that is said to be one of the most haunted in the world. What was it like to work here? How has prison work changed over the decades? CEO of the site, Joel, joins us to share paranormal experiences that have occurred within the prison.You can watch the video version of this podcast here.Video and photo credit: Ice Eye MediaEvolving Prisons...2024-10-271h 32
Evolving PrisonsBonus: Working with women who killThis is a 10-minute teaser of my full conversation with Dr Kathryn Whiteley, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for £3 ($3.85) to listen to the full conversation and all monthly bonus episodes.Dr Kathryn Whiteley has interviewed hundreds of women who've killed and are serving life or life without parole sentences in America, Australia and Ireland. She shares some stories that have stuck with her, how some of the women feel about their crimes and helps to humanise them by giving them a voice to share their life stories.Evolving Prisons linksW...2024-10-1711 min
Evolving PrisonsDr Amanda Brown on being a prison doctorDr Amanda Brown was a GP in a leafy suburb for 20 years before going to work in prison, despite not knowing doctors even worked in prisons. She spent 19 years working with both male and female prisoners, and foreign nationals. Dr Brown is also the author of The Prison Doctor book series. She shares some highs and lows with us, including traumatic experiences that will stay with her forever, and tells us why working in a prison has shifted her values. Evolving Prisons linksWebsite: evolvingprisons.comInstagram: @evolvingprisonsLinkedIn: kaigancarrie2024-10-071h 04
Evolving PrisonsWork follows them home: being married to a prison officerTarmi A'Vard is the wife of a prison officer. She talks about how it feels to see her husband, Chris, changed by the job. He was hospitalised on numerous occasions after attacks by prisoners and Tarmi shares the toll the job has taken on their marriage and social life. She also tells us about their difficult road ahead as Chris tries to recover from his experiences. Evolving Prisons linksWebsite: evolvingprisons.comInstagram: @evolvingprisonsLinkedIn: kaigancarrieEmail me: evolvingprisons@outlook.com2024-09-271h 08
Evolving PrisonsBonus: History of prisons in AmericaThis is a 10-minute teaser of my full conversation with Professor Ashely Rubin, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for £3 ($3.85) to listen to the full conversation and all monthly bonus episodes.How were women treated in prison in America in the early years at a time before they were considered citizens? Why has Alcatraz prison left such a legacy? And why is America's prison system the way it is, when their early plans were to move away from a penal system that brutalises to a more reformative system? Professor Ashley Rubin studies the history of p...2024-09-1710 min
Evolving PrisonsImprisoned 14 hours from my husband and childrenPortia Louder served five years in prison for mortgage fraud. She was imprisoned 14 hours from her husband and children in a federal prison. She was allowed 8 weeks at home before starting her sentence and she tells us about this experience. Portia shares how she navigated seeing her family only once a year and the challenges she's faced reintegrating back into the family unit upon release from prison. Portia has written a book, Born to be Brave, which you can buy here. Evolving Prisons linksWebsite: evolvingprisons.comInstagram: @evolvingprisons...2024-09-0748 min
Evolving PrisonsLessons from 26 years in the prison serviceAndy Laidlaw spent 26 years in the prison service in England, starting as a prison officer and finishing as a deputy prison governor. He tells us about his experiences as a hostage negotiator, how to minimise staff corruption and what working in a prison has taught him about life.Evolving Prisons linksWebsite: evolvingprisons.comInstagram: @evolvingprisonsLinkedIn: kaigancarrieEmail me: evolvingprisons@outlook.com2024-08-2759 min
Evolving PrisonsBonus: Eye-opening experiences teaching art in prisonThis is a 10-minute teaser of my full conversation with Steve Tafka, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for £3 ($3.85) to listen to the full conversation and all monthly bonus episodes.What do you do when a prisoner draws an unnerving picture during class? And how does it impact you when the first thing you see while interviewing for a job in prison is a traumatising event? Steve Tafka was an art teacher in prisons in England for three years and shares some eye-opening experiences with us. You can buy a copy of Steve's b...2024-08-1709 min
Evolving PrisonsInside the mind of madness: forensic psychiatry in prisonDr Ben Cave is one of the UK’s leading forensic psychiatrists. He has 35 years of experience, including as a prison psychiatrist and a consultant in secure and general mental health units. He is also the author of What We Fear Most. We discuss misconceptions around mental illness, the fact the Mental Health Act does not apply in prison, and the risk of being a forensic psychiatrist where Dr Cave had a security system linked to the police installed in his home.Buy a copy of Dr Cave's book, What We Fear Most, here.Evolving Pr...2024-08-071h 00
Evolving PrisonsCamaraderie, culture and challenges with mental healthJason worked as a prison officer in both mainstream and sex offender prisons. He tells us about the mental health toll the job takes, whereby three of his colleagues took their own lives. He also talks about how management seeing prison officers as a number can contribute to them feeling undervalued and lacking self-worth, and he shares personal experiences he had of this during his time as an officer.Evolving Prisons linksWebsite: evolvingprisons.comInstagram: @evolvingprisonsLinkedIn: kaigancarrie2024-07-271h 02
Evolving PrisonsBonus: 7 years in prison in Ecuador for drug smugglingThis is a 10-minute teaser of my full conversation with Oscar Castro, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for £3 ($3.85) to listen to the full conversation and all monthly bonus episodes.Oscar Castro was on his third trip to Latin America to smuggle heroin back to America when he was caught at a hotel in Ecuador. He subsequently served 7 years in prison there. What's it like to spend time in a prison where you have to buy your cell and can get access to almost anything, as long as you pay the guards enough money? Is t...2024-07-1711 min
Evolving Prisons34 years in prison: finding a dead man in my homeJamie Morgan Kane spent 34 years in prison in America after walking into his home and finding a deceased man there who his wife had poisoned. Jamie was taken from the UK to America illegally as a baby and he shares how it felt re-adjusting to life in the UK at age 64, when he was deported after release from prison, despite spending almost all of his life overseas. He also tells us how it felt to do things he loved again, after being unable to do them for 34 years during his prison sentence.You can connect with Jamie...2024-07-0748 min
Evolving PrisonsYou can be innocent and spend 17 years in prisonRecently, the BBC aired a documentary about Andrew Malkinson, an individual from England who was wrongfully convicted of rape and spent 17 years in prison, until he was released in December 2020. Danny Barrs is the Chair of Promoting Prisoners Maintaining Innocence. Danny chats about majority verdicts in jury cases, how it can be difficult for innocent people to progress through prison and the difficulty they can face in obtaining compensation from the state upon their release from prison.Learn more about the BBC documentary here or watch it on BBC iPlayer.Evolving Prisons links...2024-06-2754 min
Evolving PrisonsBonus: Life as a prison brideThis is a 20-minute teaser of my full conversation with Cage and Andreea, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for $3.85 (£3) to listen to the full conversation and all monthly bonus episodes.Cage is currently serving a 50 year prison sentence in Texas for aggravated robbery while his wife, Andreea, lives in London. They met in 2020 when Andreea wrote to Cage through writeaprisoner.com. They talk about how their relationship developed and how they maintain it despite the obvious barriers, the stigma attached to meeting and marrying someone in prison and their plans for the future, despite C...2024-06-1721 min
Evolving PrisonsGrowing up with drug-addicted parentsChelsea Cameron wrote an open letter to her drug-addicted parents in 2017, thanking them for teaching her that life isn't all sunshine and rainbows. She shares the letter with us and tells us about the stigma of growing up with drug-addicted parents, whether prison helped her dad, and the issue with drugs in Scottish prisons, where 1 in 10 prisoners say they had never touched drugs before their imprisonment but started using them while inside. Evolving Prisons linksWebsite: evolvingprisons.comInstagram: @evolvingprisonsLinkedIn: kaigancarrie2024-06-0750 min
Evolving Prisons40 years on death row and still in prison: William NogueraWilliam Noguera spent 40 years on death row at San Quentin Prison for a murder he committed at age 18. Last year he was taken off death row but he is still in prison. He chats to us from his prison cell, telling us how a day on death row looked, how it felt to be given an execution date, how he feels about potentially being released one day into a society he hasn't been in for 41 years and how he has stayed disciplined to write books, host podcasts and create art while on death row.William's links2024-05-2732 min
Evolving PrisonsBonus: Rob Parkes on being married to the black widowThis is a 20-minute teaser of my full conversation with Rob Parkes, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for $3.85 (£3) to listen to the full conversation and all monthly bonus episodes.Rob Parkes was married to Victoria Breeden. Victoria is now serving a 9 year prison sentence for conspiracy to murder Rob. Rob speaks about being the victim of coercive control, how Victoria's second husband, Wayne, set fire to Rob's car while he was sleeping and how he discovered that Victoria was trying to hire somebody to kill him. Victoria is up for parole soon and Rob t...2024-05-1721 min
Evolving PrisonsGang life, knife crime and 8 years in prisonCarl Scott joined a gang at 13 years old and subsequently spent 8 and a half years in prison. He was a victim of a knife attack which almost killed him. Carl chats about how a life of crime leaves you always looking over your shoulder, how prison might seem like a holiday camp but that loss of control is the real punishment, and how he lost his best friend to knife crime, who sadly died in his arms. Carl is now a knife crime ambassador.Carl's linksWebsiteInstagramEvolving Prisons links2024-05-071h 05
Evolving PrisonsBonus: Gen Glaister on working with traffickers and sex offenders as a prison officerThis is a 20-minute teaser of my full conversation with Gen Glaister, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for $3.85 to listen to the full discussion and all monthly bonus episodes.Gen was a prison officer in England and had been eager to become one since age 15. She talks about the difficulty of comprehending how some people can be so gentle and kind but also be a human trafficker, how she'd try to educate prisoners convicted of rape that wearing protection doesn't mean it isn't rape and the worry of losing the ability to feel compassion...2024-04-2622 min
Evolving PrisonsPrison gangs in CaliforniaWhy do prisons in California and Texas have so many gangs? Why didn't they exist prior to the 1950s? What happens to somebody who leaves the prison gang? How much influence do prison gangs have over people on the streets? I sat down with Professor David Skarbek who has published extensively on this topic. His book, The Social Order of the Underworld: How Prison Gangs Govern the American Penal System, can be bought here. Evolving Prisons linksWebsite: evolvingprisons.comInstagram: @evolvingprisonsLinkedIn: kaigancarrie2024-04-1742 min
Evolving PrisonsIs inequality in our society responsible for crime?Marc Conway has served 10 prison sentences, stuck in the revolving door of crime until his final prison sentence in HMP Grendon, a therapeutic prison in England, made him think about why he'd been behaving the way he had. Marc discusses growing up with a distrust of police and how he feels that the government needs to do more to improve equality in our society.Evolving Prisons linksWebsite: evolvingprisons.comInstagram: @evolvingprisonsLinkedIn: kaigancarrie2024-04-0759 min
Evolving PrisonsBonus: Death, mental health and violence in prisonThis is a 20-minute teaser of my full conversation with Iain Smith, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for $3.85 to listen to the full discussion and all monthly bonus episodes.Iain was a prison officer in Australia for 15 years until 2020. He tells us about a number of experiences he had, from working with a prisoner who was involved in 55 self-harm or behavioural incidents over a 4-month period to a prisoner who was convicted of driving his truck into a bar after being denied alcohol, killing multiple people. Evolving Prisons linksWebsite2024-03-2620 min
Evolving PrisonsImprisoned for being a corrupt prison officerLee Davies was a prison officer in England and was imprisoned in May 2010 for taking contraband, namely mobile phones and cannabis, into prison for prisoners. Lee tells us how he started taking contraband in, how he got caught, ways to limit corrupt staff taking contraband into prisons and the impact that corrupt staff have on the prison service. Evolving Prisons linksWebsite: evolvingprisons.comInstagram: @evolvingprisonsLinkedIn: Kaigan Carrie 2024-03-171h 14
Evolving PrisonsBonus: Strangeways prison riotThis is a 20-minute teaser of my full conversation with Brendan O'Friel, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here for $3.85 to listen to the full discussion and all monthly bonus episodes.The Strangeways Prison riot is the longest recorded riot in British penal history, lasting 25 days in April 1990. Brendan O'Friel was the governor of the prison at that time. He tells us about the condition of the prison leading up to the riot, how 147 officers and 47 prisoners were injured and 1 officer and 1 prisoner lost their life, how Brendan navigated the riot without a contingency plan for...2024-02-2721 min
Evolving PrisonsThe heavy burden of being a prison officerBruce Perham is a social worker and therapist in Melbourne, Australia. He has provided counselling and debriefing to prison officers after traumatic incidents for many years. We hear ways in which the job takes its toll on prison officers, including hearing about an officer who was beaten, leaving him with a brain and spinal injury and unable to work, and another officer recounts the impact of finding prisoners who have taken their own life. Connect with Bruce Perham at Let's Talk Differently. Evolving Prisons linksInstagramLinkedInWebsite2024-02-1752 min
Evolving PrisonsThe case of Brianna GheyBrianna Ghey, age 16, was murdered in England in February 2023 in a premeditated stabbing attack by two 15 year olds, Scarlett and Eddie. The court decided the offence was primarily motivated by sadistic tendencies. They were sentenced last week to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 22 years and 20 years respectively. I sat down with one of the UK's most respected forensic psychologists, Dr Naomi Murphy, who has 25 years experience working with violent and sexually violent offenders, to ask some questions like:How might the risk they pose change as their brains mature?Would Scarlett watching violence on the dark...2024-02-0734 min
Evolving PrisonsBonus: Vanessa Frake on escapes, riots and prison officer mental healthThis is a 20-minute teaser of my full conversation with Vanessa Frake, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here to listen to the full discussion and all monthly bonus episodes.Vanessa Frake worked for the prison service in England for 27 years and was awarded an MBE in 2012 for her work. Vanessa shares her biggest regret in her career where a prisoner escaped while on escort and a prison officer took their own life. We chat about riots and assaults, corrupt prison officers and the difficulty of fitting into society when you've spent your entire career behind...2024-01-3020 min
Evolving PrisonsVanessa Frake on escapes, riots and prison officer mental healthVanessa Frake worked for the prison service in England for 27 years and was awarded an MBE in 2012 for her work. Vanessa shares her biggest regret in her career where a prisoner escaped while on escort and a prison officer took their own life. We chat about riots and assaults, corrupt prison officers and the difficulty of fitting into society when you've spent your entire career behind bars. Order a copy of Vanessa's book here.Evolving Prisons linksLinkedIn: kaigancarrieInstagram: @evolvingprisonsWebsite: evolvingprisons.com2024-01-271h 03
Evolving PrisonsThe minds of serial killersWhy do so many people have a fascination with serial killers? What's it like to meet one? How do serial killers justify their crimes? Can they be rehabilitated or is prison merely for their containment? Dr Scott Bonn answers these questions and more. He is a criminologist, author of 'why we love serial killers' and he provides expert commentary for high profile true crime TV shows. Evolving Prisons linksLinkedIn: kaigancarrieInstagram: @evolvingprisonsWebsite: evolvingprisons.comDr Scott Bonn's linksWebsiteTour tickets...2024-01-171h 00
Evolving PrisonsThe prisoner and the judgeTony Attwood has 25 years of lived experience with addiction and crime. Peter Ross was a judge who sentenced him to a period of imprisonment and subsequently to a rehabilitation treatment centre. Tony later founded Hope and Vision Communities with Peter, providing people with a home to stay at after they successfully leave addiction treatment services. This is a remarkable story of two individuals on opposing sides of the criminal justice system coming together to help society.Learn more about Hope and Vision Communities.Evolving Prisons linksLinkedIn: kaigancarrie Instagram: @evolvingprisons2024-01-0745 min
Evolving PrisonsPrison saved my lifeGeorge Bannister served time in prison in England for an attempted robbery on a post office to fund his drug addiction. He talks about learning the value of karma, respect and gratitude in prison, and how connection is key to a life free from addiction. You can connect with George Bannister here. Evolving Prisons linksLinkedIn: kaigancarrieInstagram: @evolvingprisonsWebsite: evolvingprisons.com2023-12-2747 min
Evolving PrisonsChristmas time in prisonWhat is prison really like at Christmas? A former prisoner, prison officer and prison governor share some of their experiences. From playing a game of cricket on Christmas day to seeing your first dead body in custody, from Christmas lunch to karaoke for the governor's wife. There's a sprinkling of festive fun with a serving of sadness and trauma. Evolving Prisons linksLinkedin: kaigancarrieInstagram: @evolvingprisonsWebsite: evolvingprisons.com2023-12-1756 min
Evolving PrisonsPrison as a criminogenic need and desistance from crimeJoe Arvidson is a criminologist and desistance advocate from the United States of America. Joe shares with us how he feels the media portrays a narrow view of corrections, and how prison can cause more harm than good. He also shares the importance of self-regulation, identity, resilience and social support in desistance.Evolving Prisons linksLinkedIn: kaigancarrieInstagram: @evolvingprisonsWebsite: evolvingprisons.comListen to Joe's podcastThe Criminologist.2023-12-0734 min
Evolving PrisonsMental health struggles of a prison officerAlex McClintock was a prison officer at HMP Perth in Scotland for 19 years and he featured on Channel 4's Banged Up. Alex shares how his mental health declined to the point he had a breakdown and intended to take his own life. He tells us how his PTSD manifests itself, we discuss how prison officers can look after their wellbeing and we chat about the Banged Up TV show experience. Evolving Prisons linksLinkedIn: kaigancarrieInstagram: @evolvingprisonsWebsite: evolvingprisons.com2023-11-2749 min
Evolving PrisonsBonus: Alex South on strength, suffering and survival in prisonThis is a 20-minute teaser of my full conversation with Alex South, released as this month's bonus episode. Subscribe here to listen to the full discussion and all monthly bonus episodes.Alex is the author of the incredible book, Behind These Doors. She worked for the prison service in England for 10 years in HMP Whitemoor, HMP Belmarsh and HMP Wormwood Scrubs. We talk about the impossible task of keeping on top of the contraband entering some prisons, the violence that occurs in prison, the dangers of Spice and drug psychosis, and the detrimental impact prison can have...2023-11-2120 min
Evolving PrisonsAlex South on strength, suffering and survival in prisonAlex South is the author of the incredible book, Behind These Doors. She worked for the prison service in England for 10 years in HMP Whitemoor, HMP Belmarsh and HMP Wormwood Scrubs. We talk about the impossible task of keeping on top of the contraband entering some prisons, the violence that occurs in prison, the dangers of Spice and drug psychosis, and the detrimental impact prison can have on people where prisoners and staff are taking their own lives. Buy a copy of Alex's book here. Evolving Prisons linksLinkedIn: kaigancarrieInstagram...2023-11-171h 12
Evolving PrisonsFemale leadership in prison, assault and the Banged Up experienceClare Pearson spent almost 22 years working in prisons in England. She governed 4 public prisons and was the director of a private prison. Clare also appeared as the governor on Channel 4's TV series 'Banged Up'. We chat about the difference between working in a male and female prison and how Clare's leadership style varied across each, the time a prisoner assaulted her and she required surgery for a double jaw fracture, and how close to real prison life the Banged Up TV show was. Evolving Prisons linksLinkedIn: kaigancarrieInstagram: @evolvingprisons...2023-11-0745 min
Evolving PrisonsBonus podcast episodesOne bonus episode of Evolving Prisons is released each month, starting today with the Halloween bonus episode. These episodes will not appear in your podcast app, unless you're listening on Spotify, so to subscribe to the monthly bonus episode for £2.99 per month, click here.
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Evolving PrisonsParanormal Prisons: Haunted Halloween TalesHappy Halloween! We hear from two prison officers and five tour guides about paranormal activity within prisons in England, Canada and Australia. We hear of a murder mystery in Old Ottawa Jail, a frightening experience on a night shift in an English prison which is still in operation today, tales from Shepton Mallet prison (known as the world's most haunted prison), other beings within Kingston Penitentiary in Ontario, and ghostly encounters in Pentridge Prison in Melbourne, Australia. Evolving Prisons linksLinkedIn: kaigancarrieInstagram: @evolvingprisons2023-10-311h 12
Evolving PrisonsPrison officer wellbeing and power in FinlandWhy is there a high risk of suicide in Vantaa Prison in Finland? What values are needed to be a good prison officer? Do some prison staff join the service with a power complex or does the job create this within them? Minna Liukkonen works in Vantaa Prison, Finland's largest prison. She recruits, inducts and mentors new prison officers.
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2023-10-2426 min
Evolving PrisonsImprisoned by choice: a researcher in Icelandic prisonsProfessor Francis Pakes has spent the last decade researching prisons in some Nordic countries, including Iceland. He spent a week as a quasi-prisoner in two open prisons there to better understand life in prison in Iceland. We discuss how he felt going into prison, some of the experiences he had as a quasi-prisoner there and how vastly different the culture inside prison is in Iceland, where prison officers would sometimes bring their dogs or children to work.
One bonus episode of Evolving Prisons is released every month and these episodes don't appear on the main page. You...2023-10-1040 min
Evolving PrisonsInside Finland's first smart prisonAnni Karnaranta is Governor (also known as Head of Unit) at Hämeenlinna Prison in Finland, a smart prison for women. We discuss Anni's 17 years in the prison service and the many different areas staff can train in, including becoming a lawyer which Anni also did. We discuss what crimes people tend to go to prison for in Finland, how staff combat the problem with drugs coming into the prisons and what a smart prison actually is. One bonus episode of Evolving Prisons is released every month and these episodes don't appear on the m...2023-09-2641 min
Evolving PrisonsA mother's fight for fair sentencingJackie Dunn's son Lucas began an 18 year prison sentence in March 2022 for DUI manslaughter in Florida, USA. Jackie and I discuss the circumstances surrounding his conviction, whether him doing an 18 year sentence is really better for society than him doing the alternative which was a 10 year sentence with a lifetime of educating about the dangers of DUIs, how two people can commit very similar crimes but get very different prison sentences and how somebody can get a 30 year prison sentence for stealing DVDs.
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Evolving PrisonsPolitical prisoners and officer safety in Northern IrelandDom Kelly is a former prison officer within Northern Ireland and now works in forensic psychology services within the same service. He shares his experiences of working with political and sexual offenders, and details the stark differences between working with these two groups. We also discuss the dangers prison officers have faced in Northern Ireland over the years. Dom has also been involved in prison research for more than 10 years and shares some of his research into prison officer wellbeing and boundary violations between prison officers and prisoners.
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Evolving PrisonsThe case of Lucy LetbyLucy Letby, age 33, was convicted last week of murdering 7 babies and attempting to murder 6 more while working as a nurse on the Neonatal Unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital in England. I sat down with one of the UK's most respected forensic psychologists, Dr Naomi Murphy, who has 25 years experience working with violent and sexually violent offenders, to ask some questions like:
How can a cold, callous killer also be described by some as gentle, kind and timid?
What could her motive have been?
How do prison staff manage to separate their potential personal feelings about Lucy...2023-08-2238 min
Evolving PrisonsImprisoned for shooting my sister's ex-boyfriendJoshua Holi went to prison in the United States for attempted murder after shooting his sister's ex-boyfriend. We discuss how Joshua began a life of drug dealing after getting a $700 fine, spending 13 months on the run after shooting his sister's ex-boyfriend and his time in prison. Through Joshua's warm and positive energy, this conversation challenges preconceived notions about people who have committed crime.
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2023-08-1550 min
Evolving PrisonsSpending half my life in prisonJesse Crosson went to prison just after his 18th birthday. He was sentenced to 32 years in prison for committing a robbery and a separate, non-fatal shooting. Jesse shares how he turned his life around in prison, how he was unexpectedly released after serving 19 years, and the difficulty of reintegrating back into society after spending more than half of his life in prison.
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Evolving PrisonsConspiracy to supply and relationships in prisonLouise Ashton spent five years in prisons in England for conspiracy to supply Class A drugs. She shares her story of how she met and married a man involved in drug dealing, before she was arrested. She discusses her time in prison, maintaining contact with her incarcerated husband, and the prevalence of inappropriate relationships between prison officers and prisoners. Louise highlights the importance of education for prisoners and the impact of the Proceeds of Crime Act now she is out of prison. She also shares her efforts to discourage young people in Liverpool, UK, from romanticising prison.
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The CriminologistEP 168: Kaigan Carrie of the Evolving Prisons podcast and the Rise of Happiness publication!!!Joining us all the way from the United Kingdom, Kaigan Carrie shares her journey from practitioner to reformist! Kaigan is the co-founder of Rise of Happiness, a free publication dedicated to promoting and encouraging well being, mindfulness, and happiness. She is also the co-host of the Evolving Prisons podcast! A fellow travel enthusiast, Kaigan speaks of her experiences around the globe and talks about the value of building resiliency via challenging ourselves and getting out of our comfort zones. We also unpack some of the misconceptions around the Norwegian Prison approach, and discuss organizational resistance to change. Related links belo...2023-07-1547 min
Evolving PrisonsExploring the IPP prisoner scandalImprisonment for Public Protection (IPP) sentences were implemented in England and Wales in 2005 to detain offenders who posed a very serious risk to the public, but many non-violent offenders have also been given this sentence. Despite the abolition of the IPP sentence in 2012, there are still nearly 3,000 people in prison on IPP sentences today without a release date. We explore the psychological impact of these sentences on prisoners and their families, the ability to recall IPP prisoners back to prison without them committing another crime, and the on-going parliamentary discussions on how to address the situation. Tune in to...2023-07-0440 min
Evolving PrisonsPrison and the death penaltyPaul Bridges is a volunteer at Amnesty International UK and is Chair of the Anti-Death Penalty Project. The purpose of the project is to raise awareness about the death penalty with Amnesty members, the public and politicians. In this episode, Paul shares arguments for and against the death penalty with us, but debunks the 'for' arguments with facts and stats. For example, did you know it actually costs more to have someone on death row than to imprison them for life? We discuss cases in the UK and US where innocent people have been given the death penalty and...2023-06-2038 min
Evolving PrisonsGoverning a prison, hostage taking and working with sex offendersIan Gunn was a Governor in four prisons in Scotland over a 22 year period. He worked with male prisoners, female prisoners and in a prison which held only sex offenders. He shares some of the lessons he learned during his service, from how to respond when sex offenders tell him they're innocent, to being taken to court by a prisoner for staff opening his confidential mail. Ian shares some of the stark differences between working with male and female prisoners, tells us about a hostage taking situation which lasted almost 20 hours in HMP Aberdeen and why a 'tough on...2023-06-061h 02
Working For ProgressWorking For Progress with Kaigan CarrieWe met Kaigan Carrie because she hosted one of our Tribe Talks around the theme of happiness. It was great to have a conversation with Kaigan around why she started the Rise of Happiness and her working life to now. Kaigan has a passion for personal development and encourages people to create lives that bring them more happiness. She is the Co-Founder of Rise of Happiness, a movement to become happier. Rise of Happiness publishes a free wellbeing magazine full of stories from people on their own happiness journey, expert health and wellbeing tips, research on happiness an...2023-05-3125 min
Evolving PrisonsDefending prisoners on death rowElizabeth Franklin-Best has been a Criminal Defence Lawyer in the United States of America for over 20 years. Elizabeth recounts one of her most challenging death penalty cases where it appears the prosecutor was excluding jurors based on race. She shares why she finds death penalty cases particularly difficult and why she feels that executing people does not add any value to society. We discuss the importance of considering somebody’s background when sentencing them and whether lengthy prison sentences actually work.
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[01:05] Elizabeth shares why she became a criminal defense lawyer
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Evolving PrisonsWorking in a prison system which harmsFormer prison officers, Ella and Harriet, speak about the difficulty of working in a prison system that often causes harm to prisoners. They share their stories of joining the service with hopes of making a difference, only to discover a reality that was far different than what they expected. They discuss the challenges of working in a system where rehabilitative work is often prevented, and where prison officers are exposed to dangerous substances like New Psychoactive Substances (NPS). Ella and Harriet speak about the difficulty of caring for your wellbeing while working as a prison officer, and inadequate training...2023-05-0957 min
Evolving PrisonsDeath in custody and transforming prisonsDean Williams is the former Executive Director of the Colorado Department of Corrections and Commissioner of Corrections in Alaska. Dean talks about the preventable deaths in custody that happened in Alaska before he took over which cemented his decision to take over the role, and the reforms he made towards a more humane prison system. He also shares why Colorado had a 50% recidivism rate despite having a corrections budget of $1 billion. Dean tells us about a work programme that he created for prisoners which was abolished after one prisoner escaped and stole his employer's car, and the effects of...2023-04-2852 min
Evolving PrisonsPhilosophy and family in prisonAndy West talks about the power of teaching Philosophy in prison. Drawing on his personal experiences, Andy shares how teaching Philosophy to prisoners can help with their personal growth and emotional wellbeing. He discusses how he became aware of prisons from a very young age, as his father, brother and uncle all served time in prison. We also explore the importance of creating an environment conducive to growth and change, and the struggles of prison officers in navigating the differing worlds of prison and the outside world.
Andy's book - The Life Inside: A...2023-04-0639 min
Evolving PrisonsWorking to free the wrongfully convictedDid you know that research suggests around 80,000 innocent people are in prison in the United States? Claudia and Sydnie are both Senior Staff Attorney Fellows at the California Innocence Project (CIP). They share stories with us about people CIP have helped to free from prison and how they were wrongfully convicted, they tell us the main reasons why people are wrongfully convicted in the United States and they share what it feels like when they aren't able to free people who say they're innocent.
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Evolving Prisons17.5 years imprisonment for manslaughterMartin Lockett is a substance abuse counsellor, author, public speaker, and advocate for reducing driving under the influence fatalities. He spent 17.5 years in prison for a driving under the influence fatality that claimed two lives and severely injured another. In an impassioned vow to his victims’ families and friends at his sentencing, Martin decided to devote the rest of his life to honouring his victims’ legacies by helping others who struggle with substance abuse. In this episode we discuss the circumstances leading up to Martin's crime, the death of both of his parents while he was in prison, battling agai...2023-02-2850 min
Evolving PrisonsPrisoners AbroadLaura Bevan is the Prisoner and Family Service Manager at Prisoners Abroad. Prisoners Abroad is a human rights and welfare charity providing humanitarian aid, advice and emotional support to people affected by overseas imprisonment. They assist British citizens during their incarceration, when they return to the UK and need access to resettlement services, and they support their family and friends throughout the trauma. In this episode, we discuss the incredible work Prisoners Abroad does and Laura shares some stories of people they’ve helped.
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Evolving PrisonsPrison and drug smuggling in MexicoMike Oulton has spent 15 years in prison in Mexico and Canada. He was a career criminal but his positive outlook on life and growth has enabled him to break free from a life of crime. Mike talks about first being arrested at the age of 10. He tells us about his 10 year prison sentence in Mexico for drug smuggling, and his imprisonment in Canada thereafter. He shares some prison rules that we can all implement in our own lives and gives us tips for how we can live a happier life.
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Evolving PrisonsIs Florida's prison sentencing too harsh?Megan Michals is a social worker in Florida, USA. She shares her experience of working in a prison there to improve the wellbeing of incarcerated people and how she felt the work she was doing wasn't supported by the staff within the prison. Megan also tells us about recidivism in Florida and the 'three strikes and you're out' law which can see people spend their entire life in prison, even if they haven't committed a crime in many decades. She also shares how lack of quality nutrition and medical care in prison can cause problems for individuals, and society...2023-01-1739 min
Evolving PrisonsCorruption, prison conditions and working undercoverAnthony Stephen Malone has a very varied career history. Among many things, he is a former paratrooper, special advisor and CIA agent. In this episode he speaks about the time he spent 3 years working undercover in a prison in Afghanistan and the 4 year prison sentence he served in prisons in England. Anthony tells us about some of the problems facing prisons in England today, he compares English prisons to some prisons he’s visited overseas and he talks about the importance of improving conditions for prison staff.
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Evolving PrisonsPrisoner to world record holderDavid Haze served two prison sentences in England for burglary which stemmed from using drugs and gambling. His second time in prison transformed his life as he discovered growth-orientated activities, including the power of sport. In prison, he ran a marathon and decided he would paddle the longest lakes in the UK when he was released. He is now a 7x SUP World Record holder. In this episode he speaks about the human need he was trying to meet while taking drugs and gambling, what happened in prison to change his life, the incredible SUP World Records he has...2022-12-0648 min
Evolving PrisonsKoestler Arts in prisonSally Taylor is the Chief Executive of Koestler Arts, a prison arts charity. They aim to help prisoners, and other detained individuals, lead more positive lives by motivating them to participate in the arts. They currently have their annual exhibition on in Southbank London until 18 December 2022 which showcases work created by people in prison or other places of detention. The exhibition is presented by hosts who have lived experience of being in prison. Sally tells us about the exhibition, some stories about how the Koestler Arts have positively impact the lives of many people and she shares a wonderful...2022-11-2336 min
Evolving PrisonsDrug addiction: criminality or health issue?Tommy had a methamphetamine addiction and served time in prison in Auckland, New Zealand. He went on to study for a degree in Criminology and work for an organisation which aims to transform the criminal justice system in New Zealand. In this episode he speaks about his addiction and using drugs to make him feel better internally. He explains how he felt his personality was stripped away from him in prison and the lack of access to rehabilitation opportunities. Tommy also shares that two police officers caught him in possession of drugs, but treated it as a health issue...2022-11-0840 min
Evolving PrisonsThe importance of doing the right thingAnthony Pierre went from earning $40,000 a month as a real estate investor in the USA, to serving a 6 year prison sentence for drug charges and only earning $20 a month in prison. Anthony speaks about the importance of mindset in turning your life around. He explains that, because many people around him used drugs, he didn’t see them as being particularly bad, not the way somebody who has never been exposed to drugs might. It wasn’t until he was in prison that he realised how much the people around you can shape and influence your behaviour. Anthony became an o...2022-10-251h 00
Evolving PrisonsHaving a son in prisonJolyn Armstrong was living a happy life with her husband and spending a lot of her time travelling, as she was able to work on her business from anywhere. Jolyn’s life dramatically changed when she got a phone call from her son to say he had been arrested and was facing life in prison. Jolyn speaks about navigating the criminal justice system, how she dealt with changing relationships when her son was incarcerated, the stigma attached to having a loved one in prison, and support groups available for families of people in prison. We also discuss Jolyn's book 'T...2022-10-1146 min
We're Not KiddingA Well-Curated and Purposeful Life with Kaigan CarrieThis week's guest is the lovely Kaigan Carrie. Kaigan is passionate about improving well-being and encouraging people to live an aligned life that brings them joy. She is eager to improve prisons around the world to make them places of growth and transformation. When she's not working to improve prison systems, Kaigan spends her time pursuing her interests as an avid travel lover, foodie, and personal development enthusiast.
In our conversation, Kaigan shares her childfree experience, along with how her parents have responded, the common bingos she's received, and what a well-lived life entails for her.
2022-09-2852 min
Evolving PrisonsImprisonment for attempted murderDr Craig Waleed is an educator and counsellor. He is currently working as a Campaign Manager to end the use of long term solitary confinement in North Carolina. He holds a master’s degree and a PhD, and he also spent 8 years in prison in New York for attempted murder in the second degree. In this episode Craig shares with us that he was subjected to abuse growing up. He speaks about prison and how dehumanising it can be, including his two 30 day stays in solitary confinement. We also speak about how, when a person leaves prison, their debt to...2022-09-2742 min
Evolving PrisonsPrison officer training in Scotland and NorwayTo celebrate 20 amazing guests on the Evolving Prisons podcast I thought we'd do a different episode where I am interviewed about my recent research into prison officer training in Scotland and Norway. I am interviewed by Rob Hosking, former police officer and also my partner, who often gets roped into prison related things for me! I completed a Masters by Research degree and this research is what made up that degree. I spent two years part-time deep diving into prison officer literature, conducting interviews and focus groups with prison officers, line managers and governors in Scotland and Norway. I...2022-09-1342 min
Evolving PrisonsLiving with PTSD as a prison officerJason Tremblay has worked as a prison officer in Alberta and Saskatchewan, Canada, however he has been off work for several years having been diagnosed with PTSD. He shares his story of becoming a prison officer and some of the events he has experienced which he thinks has contributed to his PTSD. He also tells us about how difficult it can be to live with PTSD. Jason tells us about the River Valley Resilience Retreat (RVRR) he attends in Saskatchewan. RVRR is a place where public safety personnel who are finding it difficult to cope can go to rest...2022-08-3037 min
Evolving PrisonsMusic in PrisonsSara Lee has worked as a musician in prisons since 1984 and in 1995 she was asked to form the Irene Taylor Trust which delivers music projects in prisons and in the community. Sara speaks about the beginning of her career working in HMP Wormwood Scrubs playing music for people in prison and the positive effect this had on not only them, but the staff too. She tells us about how the arts were called upon during the Covid-19 pandemic to help alleviate the difficulties people in prison were facing by being in their cell around 23 hours per day. She shares...2022-08-1649 min
Evolving PrisonsUnlocked GraduatesNatasha founded Unlocked Graduates in 2016. It aims to encourage university graduates to work as a prison officer in England for two years, while gaining a masters degree. They are challenged to create new ideas around improving the way prisons work. Today, Natasha speaks about why she founded Unlocked Graduates and what the programme entails. Max is a prison officer and he discusses how he decided to join Unlocked Graduates after they attended his university and his Reticular Activating System started seeing them everywhere. Max shares his experience of being a prison officer and of the Unlocked Graduates programme.
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Evolving PrisonsImprisoned in the UK's most violent prison without any convictionsPeter Sage is a motivational speaker, international serial entrepreneur and an expert on human behaviour. He is a 6 time Tedx speaker and has shared the stage with Sir Richard Branson and Elon Musk. He is also the recipient of the BrandLaureate Award and was named one of the greatest leaders and entrepreneurs by Inspiring Leadership Now.
In 2017, Peter served a 6 month prison sentence for contempt of court. He was the only civil prisoner serving a sentence inside HMP Pentonville, statistically the most violent prison in the UK at the time, despite him never being charged with or c...2022-07-191h 03
Evolving PrisonsPrison officer turned prisonerSinem Bozkurt was a prison officer in England for a year and a half before she was caught taking contraband into prison for an incarcerated person. She then went on to serve a prison sentence. Sinem speaks about her time as an officer, what was going on in her life that contributed to her taking in contraband and her time serving a sentence. We discuss whether the training equips officers to do the job expected of them, whether prison is a necessary punishment for some offences and how three people can be convicted of similar offences yet get very...2022-07-0551 min
Evolving PrisonsPsychological dangers of prison workWilliam Young is a Correctional Officer in Nebraska, USA and has been in this work since 2005. He also has a business called Just Corrections where he aims to bring awareness to the emotional and psychological dangers of correctional work. In this episode, William speaks about the impact being a Correctional Officer can have on your physical and mental health, and your life outside of work. We discuss his book, 'The Nothing That Never Happened', where William shares experiences that happen in prison that officers don’t think are a big deal but can actually cause trauma to them. We al...2022-06-211h 07
Evolving PrisonsBudget-constrained prisons in Africa and AsiaPaul English is an international consultant on penal reform and has been doing this work since 1997. He has worked for United Nations agencies and reform groups. Today he shares with us his experience of working in countries such as Uganda, Lebanon and Nigeria. Paul discusses the issues their prisons face such as lack of resources for rehabilitation efforts, lack of food for incarcerated people and sometimes difficulties in knowing where staff’s next paycheck is coming from. However, it’s clear from what Paul shares that these countries are doing their best to make a positive difference in the live...2022-06-0748 min
Evolving PrisonsBastøy Prison in NorwayTom Eberhardt has 26 years' experience working in different prisons in Norway, from being a prison officer to a governor and working within other management positions within the Norwegian Correctional Service. He was the governor of Bastøy Prison for six years until 2020. Bastøy prison is a low-security prison on Bastøy Island around 75km away from Oslo. The prison houses people who are sentenced for things such as murder and rape, among other things. Tom speaks about what sets Bastøy prison apart from other prisons and he discusses the work he currently does with Amend in the Unit...2022-05-2431 min
Evolving PrisonsStuck in the prison system for 20 yearsEddie has spent a total of 20 years in prisons in England for different offences but hasn’t committed a crime in over 16 years now. Eddie now does work in some prisons in England. In this episode he speaks about the impact of the new psychoactive substances (NPS) in prison known as Spice, the importance of utilising people with lived experience in prisons and the importance of education in prison. Eddie shares about how he feels education is not as readily available as it was when he was inside and the impact this can have on people in prison. Eddie wa...2022-05-1046 min
Evolving PrisonsHeroin to HeroPaul Boggie had a heroin addiction for seven years and managed to overcome this addiction almost eighteen years ago. He went on to work for the Scots Guard and protect the Queen. Paul now goes into prisons and educates people in prison and prison officers about addiction and mental health. He speaks about his addiction, his work in prison and about the book he published in 2020 called Heroin to Hero. He also created an audio version of the book which was recorded by people in prison and prison officers. All of the proceeds of this book go to homelessness...2022-04-2650 min
Evolving PrisonsBeyond the criminal labelsNaman Jawaid spent time in prison in England for fraud which he tells us stems from a gambling addiction he developed. Naman speaks about his experience of prison and his difficulty of accessing help for his addiction in prison, leading us to discuss prison meeting two of its main aims of deterrence and rehabilitation. He also speaks about the people he met and how even though a person might have done a horrific thing they can still be good people, causing us to think about the harm of labelling people as the crime they have committed.
Evolving...2022-04-1250 min
Evolving PrisonsTransforming prisons for growth and changeArne Nilsen is a psychotherapist in Norway. He spent time working at Bastøy Prison as a psychotherapist and as a governor. He also has experience of working as an international advisor to prison services in different countries. Today he speaks about his time working at Bastøy and about the importance of respect and responsibility for people in prison. He discusses the 12 step change wheel he has developed for how we can transform prisons from static security to dynamic places of change and growth to better aid rehabilitation.
Arne's chapter 'How to Transform a...2022-03-2937 min
Evolving PrisonsWorld's most humane prison?Halden prison has been featured in the media as the world’s most humane prison. Are is the governor of Halden and Tonje is the training supervisor, responsible for supporting new recruits throughout their training. They discuss the work that is happening in Halden and how it differs from some other prisons in Norway. They speak about the impact for both people in prison and prison staff of more humane prison conditions. They also discuss prison officer training in Norway and how this has evolved over time.
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2022-03-1545 min
Evolving PrisonsTrauma-informed prisonsFritzi is a prison reform activist in the USA and founder of Compassion Prison Project (CPP). CPP's mission is to transform prisons in the USA and internationally into places of healing and education, so that the most traumatised people in our society can be cared for and supported. This is done through projects with incarcerated individuals and prison staff around adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) and trauma-informed practice. At least 98% of incarcerated people have at least one ACE and often they don't realise that they are frequently in fight or flight mode. The impact this has on them can be...2022-03-0146 min
Evolving PrisonsDrug treatment prisonsBrian spent his entire career working in corrections in Missouri, USA. He speaks about what sets a treatment facility apart from other prisons and explains how the therapeutic community model works. Brian discusses how this type of facility can really help transform the lives of incarcerated individuals with addictions. Particularly when previously incarcerated individuals who were on the programme in Ozark, come back and actually teach the programme to people currently in prison. This can help show them that they too can turn their lives around.
Instagram: @evolvingprisons
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2022-02-1551 min
Evolving PrisonsDesistance is a life-long journeyDr David Honeywell is an academic and an author. He has also spent a number of years in and out of prison. David said that access to education and looking inwards helped him address his offending behaviour, rather than prison itself. He speaks about how desisting from crime isn’t a linear path and he feels it’s an ongoing journey of policing himself to ensure he continues to desist from crime. David shares his story in the hope of inspiring others to see that even when you’re at rock bottom and others have lost faith in you, you ca...2022-02-0152 min
Evolving PrisonsAssassination and solitary confinementRick's experience of the criminal justice system spans four decades and he is a recognised leader in prison reform. He was appointed Executive Director of the Colorado Department of Corrections in 2013, after his predecessor was assassinated by an individual who was released into the community directly from solitary confinement. Many reforms around the use of solitary confinement occurred during Rick's tenure, after he spent time in solitary confinement himself. In this episode he speaks about the use of solitary confinement and the reforms that have been made.
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2022-01-1846 min