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Complementary75: The AI rant episodeAnthony and Katie allow themselves a cheeky little rant about the topic on everyone's mind, AI.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠
2026-02-1545 minComplementary
Complementary74: How many icons is too manyAnthony and Katie discuss Nikita Prokopov's "It's hard to justify Tahoe icons". Article link: ⁠https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠
2026-01-2544 minComplementary
Complementary73: Desktop UXAnthony and Katie discuss Scott Jenson's talk titled "Are we stuck with the same desktop UX forever" Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZTOjd_bOQHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman⁠
2026-01-1152 minComplementary
Complementary72: Famous design phrasesAnthony and Katie each bring some famous design phrases to discuss. Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-12-2159 minComplementary
Complementary71: The materials interfaces are made ofSometimes interfaces mimic physical materials like paper or metal. Anthony and Katie discuss why this might be, what kinds of materials seem most common and how this has shifted over time.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-12-0749 minComplementary
Complementary70: Things that are easy vs. hard to designAnthony and Katie compare things that feel easy to design vs. hard.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-11-2348 minComplementary
Complementary69: Practical Uses of AI for DesignersAnthony and Katie share ways to use AI in your design practice that don't involve code or generative images.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-11-0949 minComplementary
Complementary68: Interface Design Assets (typefaces, imagery, icons)Anthony and Katie share some of their favorite design assets.Links mentioned:https://blush.design/https://nucleoapp.com/https://tabler.io/iconshttps://feathericons.com/https://thenounproject.com/https://www.streamlinehq.com/https://klim.co.nz/https://wakamaifondue.com/https://simplebits.shop/collections/fontshttps://open-props.style/https://fontawesome.com/https://phosphoricons.com/https://connary.com/fonts/Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist...
2025-10-2653 minComplementary
Complementary67: Vector vs. Code Based Design Tooling with Andreas MøllerAnthony and Katie are joined by Andreas Møller, co-founder of Nordcraft. Nordcraft aims to bring design and development closer together, and as you can imagine Andreas has a unique perspective on design tools. What happens to "hand-off" when designers can get their ideas 90% there?Find Andreas on BlueskyHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-10-121h 05Complementary
Complementary66: Interface Design Then & Now with Microsoft's First Interface Designer Virginia HowlettAnthony and Katie are joined by Virginia Howlett, author of Visual Interface Design for Windows and one of the first interface designers at Microsoft. Virginia is also an artist, and her paintings can be found on her website https://www.virginiahowlett.com/. We discuss what it was like being a designer 30 years ago (spoiler: some things haven't changed!), the connection between graphic design and interface design, and what it was like pioneering design decisions that we take for granted today.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLanger
2025-09-281h 15Complementary
Complementary65: Listener Q&AAnthony and Katie answer a few listener questions.Questions asked: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1961014039368110395Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-08-311h 12Complementary
Complementary64: Big vs Small SoftwareAnthony and Katie attempt to define big vs. small software, and then compare the two.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-08-1747 minComplementary
Complementary63: Being Intentional About Quality with Lance WillettAnthony and Katie are joined by Lance Willett, Chief Quality Officer at Automattic. There's a lot packed into this hour long conversation, but a few things we touch on are:- Measuring and championing quality in distributed teams- Navigating feedback culture and team dynamics- Balancing craft, context, and care in product developmentHardik Pandya tweet Anthony mentioned: https://x.com/hvpandya/status/1949733270897188935Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-08-031h 10Complementary
Complementary62: MacOS Through the AgesAnthony and Katie discuss the elements of previous MacOS versions that stand out most.Inspired by: https://aresluna.org/frame-of-preferenceHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-07-2052 minComplementary
Complementary61: Liquid GlassAnthony and Katie chat about Apple's Liquid Glass.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-07-0647 minComplementary
Complementary60: Designing Tools to Support Creativity with Matt Beaudouin-LafonAnthony and Katie are joined by HCI PhD candidate Matt Beaudouin-Lafon at UCSD, and discuss how HCI research intersects with industry product design. Links mentioned:Matt's work on Color FieldInk & SwitchTextoshopCreativity Support Tools paper from Ben ShneidermanHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-06-221h 02Complementary
Complementary59: Material 3 ExpressiveAnthony and Katie chat about Material 3 Expressive.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-06-0237 minComplementary
Complementary58: Thoughts on Config 2025Anthony and Katie chat about Config 2025.Talks mentioned:Writing is designingThe maximalist theory of minimalismHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-05-1849 minComplementary
Complementary57: The Gap Between Design and Execution with Alex KrasikovAnthony and Katie are joined by design engineer Alex Krasikov to discuss .. you guessed it, design engineering.Alex Krasikov: https://x.com/alex_krasikauHosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-05-0443 minComplementary
Complementary56: NavigationAnthony and Katie discuss navigation patterns.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-04-2051 minDesign Downtime
Design DowntimeKatie Langerman Loves Rock ClimbingWe’re reaching new heights, as Katie Langerman joins us to talk about her adventures in indoor rock climbing. She introduces the different types of climbing (bouldering, top rope, and lead climbing), and talks about how climbing has become a way for her to confront her fear of heights. Katie discusses a serious ankle injury she sustained in 2023 while bouldering, and explains how returning to climbing after the injury was challenging yet therapeutic. She explores the problem-solving nature of climbing, and how that helps her achieve a near-meditative state. Katie also shares advice for people afraid of heights (like th...
2025-04-1028 minComplementary
Complementary55: Design is Decision MakingAnthony and Katie define the process of decision making as it relates to design.Anthony's post: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1904449738084094138Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-04-0640 minComplementary
Complementary54: Design vs. DevelopmentAnthony and Katie discuss some differences and similarities between design and development. Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-03-1645 minComplementary
Complementary53: Deep Dive on the Conceptual Model Layer with Jamie MillAnthony and Katie are joined by Jamie Mill to discuss his post on the elements of product design. Jamie Mill: https://jamiemill.com/Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-03-021h 04Complementary
Complementary52: Visual Design Techniques We LoveAnthony and Katie each pick their top 3 most loved design techniques in the spirit of Valentine's Day.Hosts:Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-02-1640 minComplementary
Complementary51: Thoughts on the book Do Design: Why beauty is the key to everything by Alan MooreAnthony and Katie discuss the book Do Design: Why Beauty is the Key to Everything by Alan Moore. Do Design: https://thedobook.co/products/do-design-why-beauty-is-key-to-everything?Format=Paperback Anthony's list of short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html Dan Luu: Willingness to look stupid Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-02-0242 minComplementary
Complementary50: Starting from Scratch vs. Improving Existing DesignAnthony and Katie discuss what it takes to start designing something from scratch compared to working on an existing product, and the upsides/downsides of both. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-01-1954 minComplementary
Complementary49: Design Folklore with Guy SegalKatie, Anthony and special guest Guy discuss design folklore: what it is, where it might come from, and how to best use it in your design practices. Guy Segal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guysegal Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2025-01-0552 minComplementary
Complementary48: Ghosts of Software Past, Present and FutureAnthony and Katie bring on the holiday vibes by discussing the past, present and future of software design. Bah humbug! New design systems podcast Katie mentioned: On Theme Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-12-2235 minComplementary
Complementary47: People We AdmireDesigners and developers that have influenced us. The folks we mentioned: Stephanie Eckles Andy Bell Brad Frost Elizabeth Goodspeed Frank Chimero David Pye Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-12-0845 minComplementary
Complementary46: Design for Developers with Nate ButlerWhat does it really mean to design for developers? Should you cater to power users or beginners? Anthony, Katie and Nate discuss this (and more) with lots of spicy takes and speculation. Nate Butler: https://nate.cv/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-11-2459 minComplementary
Complementary45: ConstraintsWhat are the different kinds of constraints and how do they impact design? Anthony and Katie break it down into several types of constraints including: arbitrary, technical, principled, and convenient. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-11-1043 minComplementary
Complementary44: How to be a more strategic designer with Jared SpoolJared Spool joins Anthony and Katie to discuss what it means to be a strategic designer. We cover what strategy means, different leadership styles, and the difference between outcomes vs outputs. Find Jared Spool on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmspool/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-10-2758 minComplementary
Complementary43: Design for CustomizationWhat's the difference between customization and personalization in interface design? Anthony and Katie discuss this along with the benefits/downsides of designing for customization. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-10-1340 minComplementary
Complementary42: Performative Good DesignIt's a ranty one folks. What is performative design, and why does it exist? Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-09-2245 minComplementary
Complementary41: Elegance vs. ExtravaganceAnthony shares a quote to define elegance vs. extravagance as "do a lot with a little vs. a lot with a lot". Katie and Anthony discuss how this relates to interface design and the impact it has on interaction design and product longevity. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-09-0843 minComplementary
Complementary40: Should Designers Code?How might designers learning how to code impact interface design? Enjoy this extremely reasonable conversation between Katie and Anthony. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-08-2542 minComplementary
Complementary39: Possible Futures for AI in Interface Design with Maggie AppletonAnthony, Katie and special guest Maggie Appleton speculate about how AI could impact interface design in the future. The five possible futures we discussed: AI replaces designers and developers completely AI produces a rough draft, a designer “tidies it up” AI builds the interface out of supplied components and a description of how the interface works AI produces content/components on demand, designers change it to suit, then put the interface together Designers ask AI focused questions to get inspiration
2024-08-1156 minComplementary
Complementary38: Visual Design in Design Systems with Jeremy ElderAnthony, Katie and special guest Jeremy Elder chat about the visual design aspect of design systems. Find Jeremy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremyelder GitLab's papercuts site: https://papercuts.gitlab.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-07-2856 minComplementary
Complementary37: Good Interface Design HabitsAnthony and Katie share their top habits for good interface design. Design inspiration site Anthony mentioned: https://mobbin.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-07-1442 minComplementary
Complementary36: Interfaces are Affected by What People Care AboutAnthony and Katie chat about the people behind interfaces, and how competing priorities impact the end result of interface design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-06-1646 minComplementary
Complementary35: Form Design with Adam SilverAnthony, Katie and special guest Adam Silver discuss all things form design. We try to define form design (for Anthony's sake), and discuss things like toggle switches, good/bad form experiences, and border color contrast. Find Adam on Twitter: https://twitter.com/adamsilverhq Adam's book on form design: https://formdesignpatterns.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-06-0256 minComplementary
Complementary34: How Design Systems Impact Interface Design with Donnie D'AmatoThis week we're joined by Donnie D'Amato to discuss how design systems have impacted interface design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-05-1952 minComplementary
Complementary33: How Interfaces Evolve Over TimeAnthony and Katie discuss how interface design evolves over time. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-05-0541 minComplementary
Complementary32: Thoughts on "Just Enough Design" by Taku SatohAnthony and Katie discuss "Just Enough Design" by Taku Satoh. Spoiler: we like it. Anthony's recommended short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-04-2136 minComplementary
Complementary31: Interface Personality vs UsabilityAnthony and Katie discuss how to safely add personality to an interface without sacrificing usability. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-04-0738 minComplementary
Complementary30: How Important is Feedback?Anthony and Katie discuss design feedback: how important it is, bad vs. good feedback, and the difference between harsh and direct feedback. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-03-2435 minComplementary
Complementary29: Interface Design RolesAnthony and Katie discuss different roles and responsibilities related to interface design, sharing their preferred combinations. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-03-1033 minComplementary
Complementary28: Design QuotesAnthony and Katie analyze two quotes related to design. Anthony's quote from Frank Chimero: https://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/what-screens-want/ Katie's quote from PJ Onori: https://pjonori.blog/posts/analysis-of-style/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-02-2533 minComplementary
Complementary27: Finish This Sentence: Celebrating One Year of ComplementaryAnthony and Katie celebrate one year of producing this podcast with a game: finish this sentence. Each person prepared sentences for the other to finish, all related to design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-02-1144 minComplementary
Complementary26: Things We're Good AtIn contrast with episode 25, Anthony and Katie discuss things they are good at when it comes to interface design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-01-2842 minCode with Jason
Code with Jason209 - GitHub Primer with Katie Langerman and Cameron DutroOn today's episode, Katie Langerman and Cameron Dutro of GitHub join me for a discussion of design systems, style guides and GitHub's design system Primer, view components, view-related logic, view testing, and how design changes can pass a system test and yet fail a common sense test. Primer.styleCameron Dutro.comComplementary podcastKatie Langerman on GitHubKatie Langerman on Twitter Katie Langerman on LinkedInCameron Dutro on GitHubCameron Dutro on MastodonCameron Dutro on LinkedIn
2024-01-1450 minComplementary
Complementary25: Things We're Not Good AtAnthony and Katie share some things they're not good at when it comes to interface design. There are plenty of benefits to being aware of your own weaknesses, and learning to talk about them openly can help lead you towards improvement and/or acceptance. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2024-01-1438 minComplementary
Complementary24: Hot TakesKatie reacts to Anthony's "hot takes" to wrap up 2023.
2023-12-3141 minComplementary
Complementary23: Landing Page Style vs Application StyleAnthony and Katie discuss landing page visual style compared to application visual style, crossover between brand and utility, and whether or not a single designer can do both styles. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-12-1741 minComplementary
Complementary22: What Is Uniquely Human about Design?Anthony and Katie discuss AI and what is uniquely human about design. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-12-0344 minComplementary
Complementary21: WireframingAnthony and Katie attempt to define wireframing, and discuss why or why not you might want to use them. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-11-1234 minComplementary
Complementary20: Thoughtful Interface DesignAnthony and Katie discuss what makes interface design "thoughtful", including some specific things to keep in mind as a designer.
2023-10-2936 minComplementary
Complementary19: Interface Design MisconceptionsAnthony and Katie discuss commonly misused terminology, hot takes for the algorithm, and focusing on the approach instead of the reason.
2023-10-1538 minComplementary
Complementary18: Predicting the Future of Interface DesignAnthony and Katie chat about futuristic interface design and make some *fun* predictions. Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-10-0132 minComplementary
Complementary17: Where "Novel" Design Comes FromAnthony and Katie discuss what makes design feel "novel" and some strategies to achieve it. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign⁠ Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: ⁠https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-09-1736 minComplementary
Complementary16: LayoutAnthony and Katie discuss layout. Take our poll on main content alignment with a sidebar: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign/status/1698041067914801515?s=20 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-09-0452 minComplementary
Complementary15: Color with Lukas OppermannAnthony, Katie and special guest Lukas Oppermann discuss color. Check out Lukas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/lukasoppermann⁠. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-08-2054 minComplementary
Complementary14: TypographyAnthony and Katie discuss the various properties that make up typography. Links mentioned: https://designregression.com/article/line-length-revisited-following-the-research https://abookapart.com/products/on-web-typography Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-08-061h 01Complementary
Complementary13: Looks Pretty vs. Works GoodAnthony and Katie discuss a listener topic around "looks pretty vs. works good". Books mentioned: Form Design Patterns, Adam Silver Designing Interactions, Bill Moggridge Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-07-2443 minComplementary
Complementary12: Coherent Interface DesignAnthony and Katie discuss the term “coherent” as it relates to interface design (after a bit of banter). Figma Config talks mentioned: Ashley Seto: Using color at scale for aesthetics and accessibility Duolingo: Embracing art to enhance your product CSS talk: The future of responsive design Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-07-1052 minComplementary
Complementary11: The Value of Visual Design to your CareerAnthony and Katie discuss why visual design is valuable for your career as a designer. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-06-2544 minComplementary
Complementary10: Taking Interaction Design from Good to GreatAnthony and Katie discuss what takes interaction design from good to great. Things look like they act and act like they look Useful animation Physical/spatial consistency Speed and responsiveness Fiddle factor Context awareness Links: WWDC talk on fluid interfaces Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-06-1850 minComplementary
Complementary09: Pace LayeringAnthony and Katie discuss pace layering, design systems and AI. Articles mentioned: Nathan Curtis: Design System UI is More Expensive than a Product Team's UI Mark Boulton: The Fast and Slow of Design Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-06-0445 minComplementary
Complementary08: Conveying Good Taste in a Design PortfolioAnthony and Katie discuss design portfolios, case studies, and networking. Links mentioned: Original tweet Button design walkthrough Anthony's website Checkbox design Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-05-1442 minComplementary
Complementary07: The Three Pillars of Visual Design: Typography, Layout, and ColorAnthony and Katie discuss what makes typography, layout and color the three pillars of visual design.  Links mentioned: Non Designers Design Book Grid systems Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-05-0740 minComplementary
Complementary06: Design SystemsAnthony and Katie discuss design systems. Topics covered: How to define the term “design system” Design tokens Naming things and ordinal scales Breaking out of a design system Links mentioned: https://gk3fyi.substack.com/p/the-cost-of-craft
2023-04-0946 minComplementary
Complementary05: Improving Your Visual Design SkillsIn this episode, Anthony and Katie discuss how to improve your visual design skills. Topics covered: Tacit vs. explicit knowledge Systematic approaches  to learning patterns Caring about design details How quality in impacts quality out Visual design inspiration links: https://www.lapa.ninja/ https://land-book.com/ https://godly.website/ https://saaslandingpage.com/ https://www.siteinspire.com/ https://twitter.com/awesome_saas https://twitter.com/saasshots Other links mentioned: https://open-props.style/⁠
2023-04-0234 minComplementary
Complementary04: AccessibilityIn this episode, Anthony and Katie discuss accessibility for interface design. Heads up that there's a slight audio quality change about halfway through. Topics covered: Incorporating accessibility into your design process Evaluating a design for accessibility issues  How design systems impact the designer’s role in crafting accessible interfaces Designing with constraints Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-03-1943 minComplementary
Complementary03: SkeuomorphismIn this episode, Anthony and Katie discuss skeuomorphism. Topics covered: How we define skeuomorphism The rise and fall of design trends Applying realism and visual richness to flat design How design systems might handle embellishments vs. flat design Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-03-0434 minComplementary
Complementary02: BeautyIn this episode, Anthony and Katie discuss beauty. Topics covered: Universal beauty Classical vs. expressive aesthetics Practical applications of beauty The societal impact of beautiful interfaces Relying on classical beauty techniques when expressive design is out of reach
2023-02-1837 minComplementary
ComplementaryPilot: TasteIn this pilot episode, Anthony and Katie discuss taste as it relates to visual design. Topics covered: Defining taste Are you born with good taste, and can it be learned? Why taste is important for designers References: Brie Wolfson: Notes on "Taste"  Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
2023-02-1238 minLadies that UX in English
Ladies that UX in EnglishLadycast 09 - Lara Greenberg - UX Director, Business Lady and Co-Leader at Ladies That UX BostonIn today's episode we’re going to meet Lara Greenberg, she is currently the Director of UX at Notarize (a Series D company in the legal tech space). She built and now manages an incredible team of product designers, UX researchers, and UX engineers. Aside from growing the team and maintaining a thriving design culture, her work (along with others on her team) includes shaping Notarize's first-ever design system and creating an internal accessibility program. Prior to Notarize, she was a design manager at ezCater (an online marketplace in the food tech space and a "unicorn" Series D company), whe...
2022-09-2637 min