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Thoughtworks Technology PodcastExploring AI agent platformsIf AI agents really are the future of how work will be done — in software engineering and beyond — the platforms on which they are built, run and maintained will be crucial. This is a topic two Thoughtworkers, Ben O'Mahony and Fabian Nonnenmacher, are currently writing about. Although not due to be published until early 2027, the first two chapters of Building AI Agent Platforms is now available as part of O'Reilly's Early Release scheme. Its goal is to provide readers with a complete roadmap for developing AI agent platforms, from agent development to architectural principles to observability and gove...
2026-01-2237 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastAI-assisted software development in 2025: Inside this year's DORA reportThis year's DORA report focuses on AI-assisted software development. While one of the key themes is just how ubiquitous AI is today in software engineering, that's only part of the picture. In fact, the report outlines many of the challenges the adoption of these technologies are posing and explores the barriers and obstacles that need to be addressed to ensure AI-assistance leads to long-term success. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, host Ken Mugrage is joined by Chris Westerhold — Global Practice Director for Engineering Excellence at Thoughtworks — to discuss this year's DORA report (for which Thoughtworks is a...
2025-12-1137 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastWe still need to talk about vibe coding: Reflections on 2025's word of the yearVibe coding was, remarkably, named word of the year by the Collins English Dictionary at the start of November 2025 — pretty good going for a term that was only coined in February. We first discussed it on the Technology Podcast back in April, and, given its prominence in the collective lexicon this year, thought we should revisit and reflect on the topic as 2025 draws to a close. Lots has happened in the intervening months: MCP adoption, the evolution of agentic coding tools and practices like context engineering have had a significant impact on the way the world is thi...
2025-11-2746 min
Ag Matters AlaskaCattle Farming in Delta with Scott MudgrageAlaska Farm Bureau President Scott Mugrage discusses the ways the Farm Bureau positively influences agriculture in Alaska while describing his own Mugrage Hay and Cattle ranch located in Delta Junction.
2025-11-1622 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastHow developers can get the most from new AI coding workflowsOne of the biggest stories in software engineering in 2025 is the impact of generative AI on the software development lifecycle. From advances in coding assistance to the emergence of so-called agentic coding, there's undoubtedly a lot for software developers to process, learn and experiment with — not to mention rapid change to contend with. On this episode of the Technology Podcast, host Ken Mugrage is joined by Brandon Cook to discuss not only how AI has been shaping the way software developers work but how developers can play an active role in ensuring the technology is leveraged safely an...
2025-11-1329 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastThemes from Technology Radar Vol.33In every Thoughtworks Technology Radar we feature three to five themes that represent the core issues and topics that emerged from the conversations we had when putting the publication together. This time (Fall 2025) they're all united by AI. They are: infrastructure automation arriving for AI, the rise of agents elevated by MCP, AI coding workflows and emerging AI antipatterns. On this episode of the Technology Podcast, Bryan Oliver joins Neal Ford and Ken Mugrage to discuss all four of volume 33's themes. They dive into what they mean, how the team arrived at them and what they...
2025-10-3035 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastMean time to shared understanding: Bridging the gap between citizen developers and developersAlthough the concept of the 'citizen developer' isn't new, with the rise of AI the relationship between those building software without much technical experience and seasoned software developers is becoming more significant. That's not to say there's conflict exactly, but there are often competing interests and demands — which can lead to tension, organizational friction and governance challenges. On this episode of the Technology Podcast, host Ken Mugrage facilitates a debate (of sorts) between Christopher Hastings, Global Tech Product Lead at Thoughtworks (and citizen developer) and Scott Davies, Head of Technology for Thoughtworks Europe (very much in the dev...
2025-09-1828 min
🧠 _Organizational design and Team Topologies after AI Podcast: Thoughtworks Technology Podcast (LS 41 · TOP 1.5% what is this?)Episode: Organizational design and Team Topologies after AIPub date: 2025-09-04Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationManaging technological change in an organization — particularly a large and complex one — has always been challenging. But thanks to the rapid adoption of AI in all kinds of spheres, from knowledge management to software development to content creation, it's becoming more difficult than ever. How do you strike a balance between governance and safety and autonomy and empowerment? How shou...
2025-09-1442 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastOrganizational design and Team Topologies after AIManaging technological change in an organization — particularly a large and complex one — has always been challenging. But thanks to the rapid adoption of AI in all kinds of spheres, from knowledge management to software development to content creation, it's becoming more difficult than ever. How do you strike a balance between governance and safety and autonomy and empowerment? How should teams be structured and how should they work together? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais — authors of the influential Team Topologies book — join hosts Birgitta Böckeler and Ken Mugrage to discuss wh...
2025-09-0442 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastContext engineering: Tackling legacy systems with generative AIGenerative AI can be incredibly powerful when it comes to legacy modernization. Not only can it help us better understand a large, aging codebase, it can even help us reverse engineer a legacy system when we don't have access to the complete source code. Doing it, though, requires a specific approach that's being described as 'context engineering'. This is something we've been exploring a lot in recent months at Thoughtworks. On this episode of the Technology Podcast, Thoughtworks' lead for AI-enabled software engineering, Birgitta Böckeler, and tech principal Chandirasekar Thiagarajan join hosts Ken Mugrage and Neal Fo...
2025-08-2140 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastUnpacking Google I/O 2025Google I/O 2025 took place in May. It's always a great opportunity to find out how Google is trying to shape the industry agenda, but this year the predominance of Gemini meant the event was a chance to get a better look at how Google will play its hand in the AI market in the months to come. To dissect the headlines from this year's Google I/O and explore what we can learn about Google's strategic focus — and how the company is thinking about AI — host Ken Mugrage is joined by Andy Yates on the Technology Podc...
2025-05-2929 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastAccelerating mainframe modernization using generative AIMainframe modernization is hard: there's a huge amount of complexity that needs to be understood before it can be effectively addressed. Generative AI, however, can be a particularly powerful tool for understanding mainframe legacy codebases, something we've been exploring with Mechanical Orchard while working together on its Imogen modernization platform. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, hosts Ken Mugrage and Alexey Boas are joined by Thoughtworks CTO Rachel Laycock and Mechanical Orchard CEO and Founder Rob Mee to discuss the partnership between the two organizations. They discuss how the collaboration began, the challenges of leveraging generative...
2025-05-1538 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastExploring the fundamentals of software engineeringYou might think you know software engineering, but what are the really fundamental elements? What are the concepts, ideas and practices that are completely essential? What makes software engineering what it is? Thoughtworker Nate Schutta and Dan Vega are attempting to address those questions in their upcoming book with O'Reilly, The Fundamentals of Software Engineering. Covering topics ranging from reading code through to the importance of learning to learn, it promises to offer a fresh insight into the skills and knowledge needed to be a successful software engineer. In this episode of the Thoughtworks Technology...
2025-05-0127 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastInfrastructure as code in 2025Nearly ten years after the first edition of Infrastructure as Code was published by O'Reilly, Kief Morris is publishing a third edition of the book. But why a new edition now? What's changed in technology and business over the last decade? Quite a lot, as it happens. To talk about what's new — both in the infrastructure world and in the book itself — Kief Morris joins host Ken Mugrage on the Technology Podcast. They discuss each edition and what's new in this one, and dive into the infrastructure challenges and issues that need to be tackled in 2025, from tool...
2025-03-2029 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastHow fitness functions can help us govern and measure AIAI is inherently dynamic: that's true in terms of the field itself, and at a much lower level too — models are trained on new data and algorithms adapt and change to new circumstances and information. That's part of its power and what makes it so exciting, but from a business and organizational perspective, that can make governance and measurement exceptionally difficult. How can we know that our AI is optimized for the right thing? How can we be sure it's oriented towards what we want it to be? This is where the concept of fitness functions can he...
2025-03-0642 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastDecoding DeepSeekThe release of DeepSeek's AI models at the end of January 2025 sent shockwaves around the world. The weeks that followed have been rife with hype and rumor, ranging from suggestions that DeepSeek has completely upended the tech industry to claims the efficiency gains ostensibly unlocked by DeepSeek are exagerrated. So, what's the reality? And what does it all really mean for the tech industry? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, two of Thoughtworks' AI leaders — Prasanna Pendse (Global Director of AI Strategy) and Shayan Mohanty (Head of AI Research) — join hosts Prem Chandrasekaran and Ken Mugrage to p...
2025-02-0633 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastGenerative AI's uncanny valley: Problem or opportunity?With the rise of generative AI, the concept of the uncanny valley — where human resemblance unsettles, disturbs or disgusts — is more relevant than ever. But is it a problem that technologists need to tackle? Or does it offer an opportunity for greater thoughtfulness about the ways generative AI is being built, deployed and used? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, host Lilly Ryan is joined by Srinivasan Raguraman to discuss generative AI's uncanny valley and explore how it might offer a model for thinking through our expectations about generative AI outputs and effects. Taking in everything from...
2024-12-1228 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastUsing generative AI for legacy modernizationLegacy modernization is an enduring challenge — and as systems become more complex, the difficulty of understanding and modelling a system so it can be modernized only becomes more difficult. However, at Thoughtworks we've seen some recent success bringing generative AI into the legacy modernization process. To discuss what this means in practice and the benefits it can deliver, host Ken Mugrage is joined by Thoughtworks colleagues Shodhan Sheth and Tom Coggrave. Shodhan and Tom have been working together in this space in recent months and, in this episode of the Technology Podcast, offer their insights into finding su...
2024-11-2833 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastIn conversation with Thomas Squeo, Thoughtworks CTO for the AmericasWhat does it mean to be a technology leader today? What kind of challenges must you address? What questions do you need to answer? To explore all that — and dive into what it looks like from a Thoughtworks perspective — host Ken Mugrage spoke to Thomas Squeo, the CTO for Thoughtworks in the Americas. They discuss everything from keeping track of emerging technologies and wider industry shifts, to product thinking, AI and career development. Listen to get to know a Thoughtworks leader and discover fresh perspectives on some of the big questions and debates all of us in tech...
2024-10-3133 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastThemes from Technology Radar Vol.31Volume 31 of the Technology Radar will be released on October 23, 2024. As always, it will feature 100+ technologies and techniques that we've been using with clients around the world. Alongside them will be a set of key themes that emerged during the process of putting it together. We think they offer another way into the Radar and give a unique insight on some of the most interesting issues impacting the software industry. In this episode of the Technology Podcast we discuss them: coding assistance antipatterns, Rust being anything but rusty, the rise of WebAssembly and what we describe as...
2024-10-1739 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastBuild Your Own Radar: Using the Technology Radar as a governance toolThe Thoughtworks Technology Radar is, first and foremost, a publication. It's a document that anyone in the tech industry can read twice a year to learn about our experiences and perspectives on technology. However, it's also more than that: it's built on top of a process of deliberation, discussion and curation. We think that's particularly important — it's something we encourage technology teams and organizations to do and which we support with our Build Your Own Radar tool. On this episode of the Technology Podcast, Neal Ford and Ken Mugrage join Prem Chandrasekaran to discuss Build Your Own Rada...
2024-10-0337 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastExploring DuckDB: A relational database built for online analytical processingThere are no shortage of options when it comes to relational databases. While the likes of PostgreSQL have proven enduring, even as the market has evolved, for data scientists and data engineers that need to manage and query particularly complex or large data sets, the most popular databases aren't always right for the job. Thankfully, this is where projects like DuckDB can help. Built for what's called 'vectorized query execution', it's well-suited to the demands of online analytical processing (OLAP). To get a deeper understanding of DuckDB and how the product has developed, on this episode of...
2024-09-1935 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastSoftware service granularity: Getting it rightIt's widely accepted that, in most cases at least, software systems should be modular, consisting of separate, discrete services. But what about the size of those services? How big or small should they be? This is where the question of service granularity comes in: too small and your system will become needlessly complicated; too big and you lose all the benefits of modularity you were seeking in the first place. In this episode of the Thoughtworks Technology Podcast, host Ken Mugrage is joined by Neal Ford and Mark Richards — authors of multiple books on software architecture — to disc...
2024-09-0543 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastSensible defaults: A way to think about our technology practicesIf you work in technology, you're constantly making decisions: not just what you should do, but also how you should do it. That's why we developed the concept of "sensible defaults" — practices and technology decisions that we generally see — in most scenarios — as the right way to do things. Although we've been talking about sensible defaults internally for a few years now, we recently decided to share them publicly on our website. We did so because we believe it can help organizations think through their own approach to technology decision-making, something which is becoming increasingly challenging in a rapid...
2024-07-2540 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastTracking technology stacks, practices and experiences across teamsUnderstanding your technology estate and how it's being leveraged is critical for organizations; it impacts everything from financial planning to capability development. But given the rapid pace of change — even inside a single company, let alone the wider industry — how can this be done effectively? One approach we've landed on at Thoughtworks is something called a Tech Dash: it's a method of internal research that surfaces information about an organization's technology use, and even software developers' experiences. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Camilla Crispim and Renan Martins talk to hosts Alexey Boas and Ken Mugrage abou...
2024-07-1136 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastInside Bahmni: An open-source digital public goodBahmni started life as an open-source hospital information management system and electronic medical record for a single hospital in rural India. Today, it has more than 500 implementations in 50 countries across Africa and Asia, and is recognized as one of only 165 digital public goods by the Digital Public Goods Alliance. Thoughtworks played a key part in bringing Bahmni into the world back in 2012. And although today it's run and supported by a coalition of organizations, Thoughtworks continues to have a leading role in the project as a member of its Governing Committee. To tell Bahmni's unique s...
2024-06-2752 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastContinuous delivery vs. continuous deployment: What should be the default?Despite occasional confusion, the difference between continuous delivery and continuous deployment is simple: should deploying to production be on demand or every good build? Answering which approach is 'best' is difficult; any attempt at dogmatism is likely to just look foolish, given it is, like many other debates in software development, context-dependent. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and unpick the issues at the heart of the discussion. It's all well and good saying the debate is context-dependent, but what does that actually mean in practice? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Ken Mugrage and...
2024-05-3041 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastThemes from Technology Radar Vol.30Volume 30 of the Thoughtworks Technology Radar was published in April 2024. Alongside 105 blips, the edition also featured four themes selected by the team of technologists that puts the Radar together. They were: open-ish source licenses, AI-assisted software development teams, emerging architecture patterns for LLMs and dragging pull requests closer to continuous integration. Each one cuts across the technologies and techniques included on the Radar and highlights a key issue or challenge for software developers — and other technologists — working today. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Birgitta Böckeler and Erik Dörnenberg join Neal Ford and Ken Mugrag...
2024-05-1644 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastBuilding at the intersection of machine learning and software engineeringBringing machine learning models into production is challenging. This is why, as demand for machine learning capabilities in products and services increases, new kinds of teams and new ways of working are emerging to bridge the gap between data science and software engineering. Effective Machine Learning Teams — written by Thoughtworkers David Tan, Ada Leung and Dave Colls — was created to help practitioners get to grips with these challenges and master everything needed to deliver exceptional machine learning-backed products. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, the authors join Scott Shaw and Ken Mugrage to discuss their book. They...
2024-05-0248 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastHow to measure your cloud carbon footprintIf you've ever wondered how to measure your cloud carbon footprint, you can — thanks to a tool that's called, somewhat unsurprisingly, Cloud Carbon Footprint. Launched in March 2021 by Thoughtworks as an open-source project, it allows users to monitor and measure carbon emissions and energy use from cloud services. On this episode of the Technology Podcast, senior software engineers Cameron Casher and Arik Smith join Alexey Boas and Ken Mugrage to talk about Cloud Carbon Footprint in depth. They explain why CCF is different from the measurement tools offered by established cloud vendors, how it actually works and ho...
2024-04-0438 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastTechnology through the Looking Glass: Preparing for 2024 and beyondLooking Glass isn't like most other technology trend reports. It doesn't just tell you what deserves your attention, it's designed to help you use it to focus on what really matters to you. Published once a year, Thoughtworks intends it to be a tool that helps readers make sense of the emerging technologies that are going to shape the industry in the months and years to come. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, lead Looking Glass contributors Rebecca Parsons and Ken Mugrage trade hosting duties for the guest seats, as they talk to Neal Ford about...
2024-03-2131 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastSoftware-defined vehicles: The future of the automotive industry?A few decades ago, it would have probably seemed strange to put software and automobility together. However, today software is embedded in all kinds of modern vehicles, enabling capabilities in everything from driving to passenger entertainment. But what exactly does this all mean for the automotive industry? And what demands does it place on design and manufacturing processes? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, two Thoughtworks experts on software-defined vehicles — Michael Fait and Sriram J. — speak to Ashok Subramanian and Ken Mugrage about how the automotive industry has been changed by software. They cover everything from the...
2024-02-0840 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastAsynchronous collaboration: Getting it rightThanks to the pandemic, asynchronous working is, today, fairly common. However, it's often easily confused with simply working remotely — and while there are certainly neat synergies between the two, asynchronous working isn't just a description of your working arrangement: it's a set of intentional practices and artifacts that allow people to work together without having to physically be together. On this episode of ther Technology Podcast, Thoughtworkers Sumeet Gayathri Moghe — author of The Async-First Playbook — and Maya Ormaza join hosts Neal Ford and Ken Mugrage to offer their perspectives on asynchronous working. Taking in everything from the value...
2024-01-1144 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastEngineering platforms and golden paths: Building better developer experiencesThe concept of the developer platform and the discipline of platform engineering have been important in shaping how the industry thinks about enabling developers. But what does it mean to actually build and maintain a platform? How can you ensure it actually supports the people that need it? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, hosts Ken Mugrage and Rebecca Parsons are joined by Chris Ford of Thoughtworks Spain and Aidan Donnelly, Director of Technology Platform at Personio, to discuss the importance of engineering platforms in organizations today. Read Aidan's writing on Medium: https://medium...
2023-10-1938 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastXR with impact: Building experiences that drive business valueXR is a potentially transformative technology, but it needs to be leveraged in a way that drives value. That isn't straightforward — given effective XR initiatives often require significant experimentation and exploration, simply aligning XR with strict organizational goals and aims will often make it harder to achieve success. How can technologists and product leaders get the balance right? In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Vaibhav Tikekar and Shea Clark-Tieche join hosts Rebecca Parsons and Ken Mugrage to discuss how to use XR effectively, talking through their experiences working with clients in recent years and providing their pe...
2023-08-2437 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastSix key technology trends for 2023It's often said that technology moves quickly, but the decisions we make about it can have long-term consequences. That's why identifying these trends — and understanding what they mean — matters. At Thoughtworks we do that with our Looking Glass report. Our most recent edition was published at the end of 2022; it provides a useful framework for thinking through the major shifts that look set to happen across the industry in 2023. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, regular hosts Mike Mason and Ken Mugrage take the guest seats to talk to Neal Ford about the six key trends in th...
2023-01-2642 minThoughtworks Technology PodcastWhy full-stack testing mattersAlthough many books have been written on software testing over the years, Gayathri Mohan's Full-Stack Testing, released earlier this year with O'Reilly, is unique: by taking a comprehensive look at many different aspects of testing across the development lifecycle, it emphasizes the importance of a truly holistic approach. In this episode of the Technology Podcast, Gayathri joins hosts Rebecca Parsons and Ken Mugrage to discuss the book, her experience as a QA and testing's important and changing role in the future of software development.
2022-10-0531 min
GOTO - The Brightest Minds in TechContinuous Delivery, Microservices & Serverless in 10min • Nicki Watt, Ken Mugrage & Preben ThorøThis interview was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2019 for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.techRead the full transcription of this interview here:https://gotopia.tech/articles/continuous-delivery-microservices-serverless-10-minutesNicki Watt - CTO/CEO at OpenCredoKen Mugrage - Principal Technologist - Office of the CTO at ThoughtWorksPreben Thorø - CTO at Trifork SwitzerlandDESCRIPTIONContinuous delivery has been around for more than 15 years, but it’s only gained wider adoption in recent years. In this Unscripted interview, Nicki Watt and Ken Mugrage chat with Preben Thorø about the evolu...
2021-06-2511 min
Pragmatism in PracticeLooking Glass report: Tech trends and advice for your enterpriseExecutives who want to proactively source technology to support their business strategy – look to the Looking Glass report. Leveraging insights from a global community of 8,000 technologists, ThoughtWorks' Office of the CTO identifies the technology trends that are forward-looking and business relevant. In this episode, Rebecca Parsons, CTO and Ken Mugrage, Principal Technologist, share the highlights with a business lens that will draw actionable advice to benefit your business strategy.
2021-04-0634 min
The 6 Figure DeveloperEpisode 174 – DevOps Engineering with Ken Mugrage
Ken is Tech Principal for the Office of the CTO @ThoughtWorks. He’s passionate about #ContinuousDelivery and #DevOps. He’s now focused on future tech.
DevOps: A culture where people, regardless of title or background, work together to imagine, develop, deploy and operate a system.
DevOps Engineer.
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Caveat: Please go ahead and use it. Some orgs are paying more for folks with that title. Do the right career thing. Just please don't be a silo that "does th...
2020-12-1441 minThe 6 Figure Developer PodcastEpisode 174 – DevOps Engineering with Ken Mugrage
Ken is Tech Principal for the Office of the CTO @ThoughtWorks. He’s passionate about #ContinuousDelivery and #DevOps. He’s now focused on future tech.
DevOps: A culture where people, regardless of title or background, work together to imagine, develop, deploy and operate a system.
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2020-12-1441 min
DevOps Days Madrid 2020You only have to change one thing to do the devOps - Ken MugrageSi quieres ver el vídeo con las slides:
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We’re told that adopting DevOps can have all sorts of benefits, but many organizations are not getting the results they hoped for. The term “DevOps” has been co-opted to mean anything from tools to a job title. Without an understanding of what DevOps is really all about, success is elusive. In this session, Ken Mugrage presents DevOps as an overhaul to existing software development organizations and processes. He talks about organizational structures that enable team members to take full advantage of the automation and visibility gained...
2020-03-1634 min
El Podcast DEV31: Juan Gabriel-Driven Development¿Pero qué necesidad? ¿Para qué tanto problema?Miguel Enriquez (@eldermael) nos acompaña para hablar sobre reinventar la rueda, formas eficientes de mandar código a producción y revisar PRs, y mucho más.Si te gusta El Podcast DEV, has aprendido algo con nosotros, o simplemente te caemos bien, ¡ahora nos puedes apoyar en Patreon! Al hacerlo, cada semana recibirás un episodio extra de El Podcast DEV a la semana, tendrás acceso a una comunidad privada, y nos ayudarás a poder dedicarle más tiempo a la producción del podcast — todo...
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Arrested DevOpsDeliveryConfMatty Stratton talks with guests Ken Mugrage and Sasha Rosenbaum about their new event DeliveryConf.
2019-10-1434 min
Community PulseNew Year, New Plan (Ep 13)Ken Mugrage and Matt Broberg join Mary, Jason, and PJ to discuss metrics, divining the future from the past, and Jason's odd love of Fuller House!
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