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Cracking Legal Innovation
The non-lawyer skills firms need to hire and train for - Ilona Logvinova, Chief AI Officer at Herbert Smith Freehills Kramer
Ilona Logvinova, Global Chief AI Officer at Herbert Smith Freehills Kramer, joins Daniel Porus and Anthony Seale to explore the non-lawyer skills law firms need to stay competitive. From hybrid intelligence and systems thinking to AI oversight, inductive reasoning, and celebrating tech talent, Ilona shares how firms can rethink delivery, mindset, and culture to build the legal workforce of the next decade.
2026-05-05
43 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
The role of data in law firm innovation - Michelle Mahoney, Chief Innovation Officer at Mallesons
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation, we sit down with Michelle Mahoney, Chief Innovation Officer at Mallesons (formerly King & Wood Mallesons), to explore how a truly data-driven approach is transforming legal practice.From designing experiments with measurable impact to aligning incentives with innovation, Michelle shares how her team uses data, storytelling, and behavioural insights to drive real change—unlocking adoption, proving ROI, and rethinking how legal services are delivered.A must-listen for anyone serious about legal tech, GenAI, and the future of law.
2026-04-07
56 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
Inside the client-firm partnership for legal tech success - Kerry Westland, Partner - Head of Innovation Group at Addleshaw Goddard
Kerry Westland, Partner & Head of Innovation at Addleshaw Goddard, leads nearly 80 people transforming legal service delivery. In this episode, she discusses the practical factors that influence legaltech adoption, and how firms and clients can align to ensure innovation succeeds. The answer often surprises: cloud restrictions that persist years later, AI panel terms repeating past mistakes, and the gap between procurement requirements and innovation goals. Kerry explores how to prove value beyond traditional metrics, the client capabilities that drive success, and why honest collaboration beats overpromised transformation. 📍 Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. Don’t f...
2025-11-25
45 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
The ideal law firm and technology provider relationship - Andrei Salajan, Director Legal Tech & Innovation at Schoenherr
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation, Andrei Salajan, Director of Legal Tech & Innovation at Schoenherr, shares insights on what makes a truly effective partnership between law firms and legal technology providers.He dives into:- The three pillars of successful collaboration - Product, People, and Partnership- How to create trust and transparency between firms and vendors- What law firms can do to drive adoption and creativity in their tech stacks- How AI, document automation, and transaction management are reshaping legal practice- Why mindset and culture matter...
2025-11-11
55 min
Reinventing Professionals
Mixtape: 2025 Knowledge Management & Innovation for Legal Conference
Thanks to these industry leaders for speaking with me for my 2025 Knowledge Management & Innovation for Legal (KM&I) conference mixtape: Michelle Gleason, Regional Sales Manager at LexisNexis, Conan Hines, Director of Practice Innovation at Fried Frank, Kevin Klein, Co-Founder at Legal Tech Connect, Katya Linossi, Co-Founder and CEO at Atlas by ClearPeople, Kyle Poe, VP of Legal Innovation and Strategy at Legora Daniel Porus, Chief Commercial Officer at Legatics, Maureen Schlade, Director of Key Accounts at LexisNexis, Ryan Steadman, Global Commercial Leader at Epiq Law Advisory, and Ben Wightwick, Chief Commercial Officer at Autologix.
2025-11-03
06 min
Reinventing Professionals
Mixtape: 2025 Knowledge Management & Innovation for Legal Conference
Thanks to these industry leaders for speaking with me for my 2025 Knowledge Management & Innovation for Legal (KM&I) conference mixtape: Michelle Gleason, Regional Sales Manager at LexisNexis, Conan Hines, Director of Practice Innovation at Fried Frank, Kevin Klein, Co-Founder at Legal Tech Connect, Katya Linossi, Co-Founder and CEO at Atlas by ClearPeople, Kyle Poe, VP of Legal Innovation and Strategy at Legora Daniel Porus, Chief Commercial Officer at Legatics, Maureen Schlade, Director of Key Accounts at LexisNexis, Ryan Steadman, Global Commercial Leader at Epiq Law Advisory, and Ben Wightwick, Chief Commercial Officer at Autologix.
2025-11-03
06 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
Scaling legal tech - Shruti Ajitsaria and David Campbell, A&O Shearman
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation, David Campbell, Former Partner at A&O Shearman, and Shruti Ajitsaria, Head of Fuse, share how the firm approaches legal technology - from backing early-stage startups to embedding new tools into everyday practice.We explore:💡 The origins of Fuse, A&O Shearman’s innovation hub🤝 The power of partner champions in driving adoption🧭 How to navigate risk when working with early-stage legal tech🌍 What it takes to embed innovation across a global firmThis conversation dives into the realities of innovating at scale - managing risk...
2025-10-28
53 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
Scaling legal tech - Shruti Ajitsaria and David Campbell, A&O Shearman
2025-10-28
45 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
Why do I care about legal tech? - Rusty Fleming, Partner at Nelson Mullins
What does legal technology look like through a partner's eyes? Rusty Fleming, who represents lenders and commercial real estate developers in high-volume transactions across the United States, pulls back the curtain on how he's built one of the most profitable practices at his firm - and technology is central to the strategy.📍 Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube.Don’t forget to subscribe for more episodes.
2025-10-14
45 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
Building an innovation team - Jeff Westcott, Director, Practice Technology, Innovation & AI at Akin
In this episode, Jeff reveals:How to structure lean innovation teams that scale without adding endless headcountWhy saying "no" strategically builds more credibility than being an order-takerThe balance between hiring legal vs. non-legal talent for innovation rolesHow to navigate law firm politics and secure budget for innovation initiativesWhy qualitative feedback often matters more than usage dashboardsThe art of picking your battles when senior partners make urgent requestsWhy solving unglamorous but painful problems wins more hearts and minds than flashy tech 📍 Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. Don't forget to subscribe for more episodes.
2025-09-30
58 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
How to drive a successful implementation - Andrea Miskolczi, Managing Director at InterAlia Consulting
Buying technology is easy. Getting lawyers to use it? That’s the real challenge.In this episode, Andrea Miskolczi (InterAlia Consulting) explains why implementation is less about the software and more about people, culture, and change management. She shares how to win over the right personas, use incentives wisely, and even bring fun into adoption through gamification.Packed with real-world lessons from her time at Dentons Europe and Wolf Theiss, Andrea’s insights are essential for anyone trying to make innovation stick inside law firms.📍 Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube...
2025-09-16
54 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
Measuring ROI in legal tech - Hugo Cassidy, Partner at Pinsent Masons
How do you make the business case for legal technology? Hugo shares how to combine quantitative metrics with qualitative client feedback - and why adoption, training, and champions are just as important as the tools themselves.📍 Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube.Don’t forget to subscribe for more episodes.
2025-09-02
1h 00
Cracking Legal Innovation
Managing global rollouts - Amol Bargaje, Innovation Lead at Mayer Brown
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation, we sit down with Amol Bargaje, Innovation Lead at Mayer Brown, a global law firm with 20+ offices and 2,000+ attorneys worldwide. We dive into the challenges and opportunities of driving legal technology adoption across diverse geographies, practice areas, and firm cultures.💡 What you’ll learn in this episode:How to identify the real problems worth solving before choosing tech solutions.Strategies for rolling out innovation across global offices.The importance of executive sponsors, champions, and role models in successful adoption.Lessons from implementing AI, p...
2025-08-19
49 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
The role of the client in innovation - Chris Grant, Managing Director of Client Value at Goodwin
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation, we’re joined by Chris Grant, Managing Director of Client Value at Goodwin and former in-house legal transformation lead at Barclays and HSBC.Chris brings a rare dual perspective from both the client and law firm side — and shares candid insights on what clients really expect when it comes to innovation, value, and pricing.From wearing the “client hat” to now driving change inside a law firm, Chris unpacks how value is assessed, where firms can improve, and why delivering innovation isn’t just about showcasing tools — bu...
2025-08-07
56 min
Cracking Legal Innovation
The importance of culture when innovating - Isabel Parker, Chief Innovation Officer at White & Case
What truly drives innovation in law firms? According to Isabel Parker, Chief Innovation Officer at White & Case and author of Successful Digital Transformation in Law Firms, it’s not just technology - it’s culture.In this episode, Isabel unpacks why culture is the biggest barrier- and opportunity -when it comes to transforming legal services. With candid insights from the front lines of legal innovation, she explores what it takes to make meaningful, lasting change in one of the world’s most traditional industries.In this episode:Why cultural transformation is the founda...
2025-07-22
42 min
The Advocate Next Door
ENCORE Kevin Brzozowski on eDiscovery, AI, and Making Legal Work Human
We interview Kevin Brzozowski, the first non-lawyer guest on the show, who works in legal tech. Kevin shares insights into his career journey from litigation paralegal to legal tech professional, emphasizing the importance of networking and continuous learning in the field. He elaborates on his experience in the discovery space and the value of making legal services more human-centric. Kevin also discusses the challenges and benefits of eDiscovery, the role of AI and cloud technology in legal work, and practical tips for effective networking. The episode provides a comprehensive look into how legal tech can optimize legal processes and...
2025-03-04
49 min
The Advocate Next Door
Kevin Brzozowski on eDiscovery, AI, and Making Legal Work Human
We interview Kevin Brzozowski, the first non-lawyer guest on the show, who works in legal tech. Kevin shares insights into his career journey from litigation paralegal to legal tech professional, emphasizing the importance of networking and continuous learning in the field. He elaborates on his experience in the discovery space and the value of making legal services more human-centric. Kevin also discusses the challenges and benefits of eDiscovery, the role of AI and cloud technology in legal work, and practical tips for effective networking. The episode provides a comprehensive look into how legal tech can optimize legal processes and...
2024-10-01
49 min
AI Lawyer Talking Tech
AI in the Legal Industry: Trends, Challenges, and Opportunities
Welcome to another episode of "AI Lawyer Talking Tech," your daily review of the latest legal technology news. In today's episode, we delve into the recent trends and developments in the use of artificial intelligence (AI) in the legal industry. From generative AI litigation to the implementation of AI-powered tools in law firms and insurance companies, we explore the impact and potential of AI in various legal domains. Join us as we discuss the challenges, opportunities, and ethical considerations surrounding the use of AI in the legal profession. Stay tuned for an insightful discussion on the ever-evolving landscape of...
2023-09-06
33 min
LawNext
The Voices of ILTACON 2023: Brief Chats with 12 Legal Tech Startups
LawNext host Bob Ambrogi is just back from Orlando, Florida, where he attended ILTACON, the annual conference of the International Legal Technology Association. Mic in hand, he recorded a series of brief interviews with some of the legal tech companies that were in attendance. Over the next two episodes of this podcast, we will share those interviews, starting today with the legal tech startups at ILTACON. Once again this year, the conference featured a Startup Hub in the exhibit hall, where 27 startups had booths showing their products. Although Bob was not able to interview all 27, he did...
2023-08-29
34 min
AI Lawyer Talking Tech
Documate Now Gavel - From Hacker to Defender - ChatGPT Fails Legal Ethics
On LawNext Podcast: Documate Founder Dorna Moini on Rebranding As Gavel and How Law Firms Can Productize their Legal Services Date: 07 Feb 2023 Source: LawSites Up in the Air: Jurisdiction Question Arises Over Property on Cloud-Based Internet Server Date: 07 Feb 2023 Source: News RSS - LegalTech News Webcast: From Hacker to Defender: Conversation with a Mastermind Hacker Date: 07 Feb 2023 Source: Debevoise Data Blog Australia's Law Schools Consider Responses to ChatGPT Date: 07 Feb 2023 Source: News RSS - LegalTech News ChatGPT Fails to Answer L...
2023-02-08
06 min
Reinventing Professionals
Addressing Transaction Management Challenges in Legal
I spoke with Daniel Porus. the Chief Commercial Officer at Legatics, a legal transaction management platform. We discussed the key transaction management challenges that legal teams are addressing, what legal professionals can do to accelerate change, and how legal transaction management is evolving.
2022-11-02
13 min
Reinventing Professionals
Addressing Transaction Management Challenges in Legal
I spoke with Daniel Porus. the Chief Commercial Officer at Legatics, a legal transaction management platform. We discussed the key transaction management challenges that legal teams are addressing, what legal professionals can do to accelerate change, and how legal transaction management is evolving.
2022-11-02
13 min
Reinventing Professionals
ILTACON22 Mixtape: What Challenges Are You Seeing Law Firms Trying to Overcome in this Environment?
During the 2022 International Legal Technology Association conference, I spoke with Athena Strasel of Casepoint, Daniel Porus of Legatics, Horace Wu of Syntheia, Jeff Pfeifer of LexisNexis, and Mark Davey of Ricoh USA about the technology-related challenges that law firms are facing in the current environment.
2022-09-10
02 min
Reinventing Professionals
ILTACON22 Mixtape: What Challenges Are You Seeing Law Firms Trying to Overcome in this Environment?
During the 2022 International Legal Technology Association conference, I spoke with Athena Strasel of Casepoint, Daniel Porus of Legatics, Horace Wu of Syntheia, Jeff Pfeifer of LexisNexis, and Mark Davey of Ricoh USA about the technology-related challenges that law firms are facing in the current environment.
2022-09-10
02 min
The Hearing – A Legal Podcast
EP. 101 – Mindful lawyering: reducing stress, avoiding burnout & re-humanising the profession
This episode examines the high prevalence of stress and burnout amongst lawyers, and what can be done to reduce it. Yasmin talks to Legatics CEO Anthony Seale and Lucy Shurwood from Pinsent Masons – one of the founding members of the Mindful Business Charter. The trio discuss what burnout is, some common causes and what we can learn from the pandemic. Now that wellbeing conversations have come to the fore, firms are having to take an honest look at their corporate culture. But as well as focusing internally, it’s clear there are some brave conversations to be had abou...
2022-08-01
31 min
The Hearing – A Legal Podcast
EP. 101 – Mindful lawyering: reducing stress, avoiding burnout & re-humanising the profession
This episode examines the high prevalence of stress and burnout amongst lawyers, and what can be done to reduce it. Yasmin talks to Legatics CEO Anthony Seale and Lucy Shurwood from Pinsent Masons – one of the founding members of the Mindful Business Charter. The trio discuss what burnout is, some common causes and what we can learn from the pandemic. Now that wellbeing conversations have come to the fore, firms are having to take an honest look at their corporate culture. But as well as focusing internally, it’s clear there are some brave conversations to be had abou...
2022-08-01
31 min
The Hearing – A Legal Podcast
EP. 101 – Mindful lawyering: reducing stress, avoiding burnout & re-humanising the profession
This episode examines the high prevalence of stress and burnout amongst lawyers, and what can be done to reduce it. Yasmin talks to Legatics CEO Anthony Seale and Lucy Shurwood from Pinsent Masons – one of the founding members of the Mindful Business Charter. The trio discuss what burnout is, some common causes and what we can learn from the pandemic. Now that wellbeing conversations have come to the fore, firms are having to take an honest look at their corporate culture. But as well as focusing internally, it’s clear there are some brave conversations to be had abou...
2022-08-01
31 min
Deal Lite UK Tech Investment Weekly
Deal Lite UK Tech Investment Weekly Episode 22
Deal Lite UK Tech Investment Weekly takes place every Monday at 12 pm GMT/BST on Clubhouse, hosted by Manoj Ranaweera of Deal Lite (a product of Techcelerate) with co-hosts, Andrew Threlfall of Malinko (Techcelerate’s largest tech company, which makes scheduling community nursing a walk in the park for the NHS) and Stewart Townsend, a SaaS Channel Specialist who helps Techcelerate Tech Companies scale through partner networks.Featuring Anthony Seale – Legatics Jonathan Roomer – YuLife Vid Stojevic – Kuano Francesca Howland – BimbleSpeaker profiles are here
2021-10-07
58 min
The Wired Wig | Law and Technology
Legatics and Reforming Education w/ Daniel Grant Smith
Dan Grant Smith is Head of Engagement at Legatics, a transaction management program. Prior to joining the Legatics team, Dan was working as an associate at Hogan Lovells for 5 years in the Private Equity/M&A team. Today he works with law firms and their clients to improve transaction management, overcome adoption barriers, and engage with the wider industry to raise awareness and affect change. Dan has also contributed to publications such as the Legal Technologist where he shared his research on the implementation and practical adoption of legal tech tools at law firms. In this episode...
2021-01-04
30 min
Legaltech Arcade
Buying and deploying legal tech tools, with Daniel Porus of Legatics
In this episode, I talk to Daniel Porus, Chief Commercial Officer at Legatics. We discuss the key considerations for organisations looking to acquire a legal tech tool, how they can successfully navigate the procurement and onboarding process, and what needs to be in place to ensure they see value and return on investment. Topics of discussion Winning the hearts and minds of key stakeholders Pre-sales and solution consulting approaches Successfully navigating IT and InfoSec The key markers for successful vendor engagement Pilots and interactive proof of concepts What ROI looks like for transaction management tools What m...
2020-12-01
1h 18
Legal Tech StartUp Focus Podcast
Ep 019 Interview with Daniel Porus, Chief Commercial Officer of Legatics
In Episode 19 of the Legal Tech StartUp Focus Podcast (www.legaltechstartupfocus.com/podcast), your podcast host, Charlie Uniman, interviews Daniel Porus, Chief Commercial Officer of Legatics (www.legatics.com), a legal tech startup that offers transaction management solutions. Daniel starts off by telling our listeners how he moved from practicing law with firms in New Zealand and Australia, to obtaining a business degree from Cambridge's Judge Business School to meeting with Legatics' founder and deciding, after that meeting, to eschew plans to work in "big tech" and instead join the Legatics team. Charlie and Daniel...
2020-10-30
38 min