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The Forest School PodcastEp 215 - Culture Soup and a Catch-UpIn this joyful, wide-ranging episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem reunite to reflect on everything from folk rituals and land access to academic shifts and experimental puppetry. They share stories of Devon’s eccentric festivals, the power of whimsy, and the Supreme Court decision that restored the right to wild camp on Dartmoor. The conversation weaves through giant puppets, PhD plans, hosting badges, and the realities of holding space for community ritual while honouring individual autonomy. Lewis also discusses wearing a utility kilt in the woods—what inspired it, how it’s been received, and why it’s b...2025-06-1050 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 213: Is making kids tidy up a part of Forest School?In this episode, Lewis and Wem are joined by Justine from Curious and Kind Nature Play in Florida. The conversation began when all three spoke at a webinar hosted by Peter Gray and quickly turned into a shared curiosity around the tensions of tidying up in play-based education.This is not a how-to guide. It is a rich exploration of roles, expectations, neurodivergence, community care, and the invisible moral weight we place on children when it comes to cleaning up. Whether you model tidying, mandate it, ignore it entirely, or wrestle with it daily...2025-05-0958 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 212: Does Forest School need more 'Clean' Language?🌿 What Is Clean Language & Should You Use It Outdoors?In this introspective solo episode, Lewis reflects on Contempt to Curiosity by Caitlin Walker—an exploration of Clean Language, group metaphors, and truly non-judgemental communication.What begins as a quiet Friday morning in the woods becomes a deeply personal and practical unpacking of:What Clean Language actually is and where it came from 👂Why exploring someone’s “inner world” is powerful—and riskyHow metaphor can unify (or divide) groups 🌀...2025-04-2549 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 211: 'Total Observation' isn't helping childhood🌳 Forest School vs the Panopticon: Who’s Watching the Children?In this solo episode, Lewis dives deep into the haunting metaphor of the Panopticon—a 1700s prison designed for total surveillance—and how its legacy lives on in modern classrooms, school playgrounds, and even parenting styles.⚖️ From architectural control to digital surveillance, Lewis explores:What “total observation” does to a child’s sense of self 👁️Why today’s children may be observed from wake to sleepThe impact of surveillance on risk-taking, identity, and creativity 🎭How Forest School sites can either repli...2025-04-0538 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 202: Can Rory Sutherland's 'Alchemy' Transform your Forest School Business?Welcome back to the Forest School Podcast! In this episode, we dive into the intriguing ideas from Rory Sutherland's book Alchemy and explore how they can transform your Forest School practice. From the power of creative chaos to the impact of trust and training, this episode offers fresh perspectives for Forest School leaders, educators, and nature enthusiasts alike. 🌿
Join Lewis as he unpacks the concept of "scenting the soap," the role of placebos in Forest School, and the importance of heuristics in developing intuition and resilience in natural learning environments. Discover actionable insights and pra...2024-12-1341 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 197: Is Verbal Language Bias Shaping Your Forest School?Summary
In this episode, Lewis explores the biases surrounding verbal and nonverbal communication within the context of forest school training. He discusses the importance of recognizing and addressing these biases to create a more inclusive environment for participants. The conversation delves into various aspects of communication, including play cues, emotional expressions, and the impact of verbal hierarchies. Lewis emphasizes the need for forest school leaders to value nonverbal communication and consider its role in fostering connections among participants.
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The forest school training emphasizes...2024-11-0143 minThe Forest School Podcast196: Why YOUR School Needs More Stories Like Jojo & Gran Gran with Laura Henry-AllainSummary:In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, host Lewis Ames sits down with Laura Henry-Allain MBE, author, consultant, and creator of the beloved children’s show Jojo & Gran Gran. They explore the importance of representation in early years education, how to create inclusive learning environments, and why conversations about diversity should start early. Laura shares practical advice for parents and educators, emphasizing the power of storytelling in fostering empathy and understanding. Tune in to learn how YOU can make a difference in your classroom, Forest School, or home learning environment.
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The ro...2024-10-2547 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 195: How Scripts Can Transform Your Toughest Parenting Moments With Kirk MartinIn this enlightening conversation, Lewis Ames is joined by Kirk Martin from the Calm Parenting Podcast to delve into the powerful tool of scripting in parenting—especially when dealing with strong-willed children. They explore how pre-planned scripts can offer parents practical phrases to navigate emotionally charged situations, while helping kids feel understood and secure. The episode emphasizes the importance of modeling language and behavior, maintaining consistency, and adjusting scripts as needed. Key takeaways include strategies for balancing authority and empathy, understanding emotional responses, and the role of curiosity and tone in effective communication.
If you're a parent, ed...2024-10-181h 02The Forest School PodcastEp 190: The Art of Saying No at Forest School
Are we doing our children a disservice by always saying "yes"? In this thought-provoking episode of The Forest School Podcast, hosts Lewis and Wem dive deep into the complexities of creating a balanced learning environment in outdoor education.
They explore the concept of a "yes environment" and its potential pitfalls, drawing inspiration from Suzanne Axelson's work. But what does this mean for your forest school practice? How can you strike the right balance between freedom and structure?
The hosts discuss the importance of modeling appropriate responses to frustration and disappointment. Are you equipping...2024-09-1344 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 189: A Conversation with Emma BrockesSupport the podcast at www.patreon.om/theforestschoolpodcast
Can Forest Schools deliver on their promises in urban environments?
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Join hosts Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden as they dive into a thought-provoking conversation with journalist Emma Brockes about her recent Guardian article on Forest Schools. Explore the challenges of implementing authentic outdoor education in city settings, the marketing pressures schools face, and the importance of communicating Forest School's unique pedagogy. This episode offers valuable insights for educators, parents, and anyone interested in nature-based learning.
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In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis Ames explores the fascinating world of owls. He shares interesting facts about owl sizes, adaptability, legs, silent flight, vision, hearing, vocalizations, intelligence, family dynamics, hunting behaviors, diets, and conservation challenges. Owls play a crucial role in ecosystems by controlling rodent populations. Conservation efforts, education, and ambassador owls are helping to protect and raise awareness about these incredible birds.
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2024-08-3030 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 187: Unleashing Nature's Gym: Movement Reimagined with Andrew and Gill from WildstrongWhat if the great outdoors was your ultimate fitness playground?
Join hosts Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden as they explore the world of outdoor movement and fitness with Andrew and Gill from Wild Strong. Discover how reconnecting with nature can transform our approach to exercise, build community, and challenge traditional fitness norms. This episode is packed with insights for educators, parents, and anyone looking to bring more playful, natural movement into their lives.
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00:00 - Introduction to Wild Strong
05:34 - Breaking the Gym Mold: Nature as Your Playground
10:41 - The Power...2024-08-241h 03The Forest School PodcastEp 186: Can false memories actually enhance our connection to nature?
Join hosts Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden as they explore the fascinating world of "muddy memories" in outdoor education. Discover how these not-quite-accurate recollections might play a crucial role in fostering deep connections with nature. Learn practical strategies for educators and parents to navigate and nurture these magical moments.
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00:00 - Introduction: The Power of Muddy Memories
05:47 - Childhood Imagination and Nature Connection
13:29 - Lessons from Dementia Care for Educators
19:00 - The Ethics of "Nature Gaslighting"
25:28 - Why Forests...2024-08-1740 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 173: Renaturing School Playgrounds: The Challenges and Opportunities Engaging Children with Nature in Urban Areas with Nina LovelaceGet your Forest School Confessions in at www.theforestschoolpodcast.com
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In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis Ames and Wem Sutherland discuss urban forest sch...2024-05-031h 01The Forest School PodcastEp 88 - If a child learns in the forest, and there are no adults there to see it, did they really learn at all?In this warmly meandering episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma begin with three fires, a rocket stove experiment, and a bin fire that wasn’t quite planned. Amid mouldy mugs and missing coffee, they explore the themes raised in the article Education Outside the Fishbowl by unschooling writer Carol Black. What unfolds is a rich and personal conversation about observation, validation, trust, and the difference between learning and performance.They question whether learning really “counts” if no adult sees it, reflect on the deadening effect of evaluative gazes, and draw o...2021-01-1636 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 87 - Winterising our site & 'Yearly Theme' settingIn this relaxed but thought-provoking episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma record from indoors during a national lockdown and reflect on the rhythms of winter, social dynamics in education, gender politics, and gratitude. They discuss lockdown resilience, the myth of perfect nature provision, and how Forest School leaders can deepen their relationship with the woods during seasonal downtime. The conversation expands into a lively debate on gender equity sparked by a controversial US classroom policy, and circles into the symbolism of site maintenance, reciprocity with nature, and setting sustainable themes for the year ahead...2021-01-091h 03The Forest School PodcastEp 86 - 2021 New Years Quiz!Certainly. Here are your podcast show notes in the requested format and style, with no more than 10 chapter timing points:In this wild and wonderful New Year’s special of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma are joined by a brilliant international lineup of Forest School and playwork legends: Lily Horseman (Kindling Training, UK), Jen and Narelle (Birdwings Forest School, Australia), and later, John Cree. What starts as a light-hearted quiz turns into a rich mix of laughter, trivia, tree facts, punk bands, fungus fears, and bodily function biology.Ranging from the da...2021-01-0259 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 85 - Rituals and Magic w/Jenny ArchardIn this soulful, story-rich episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma sit down with Jen from Nourish Woodlanders and Woodland Journeys to explore the deep rhythms of land connection, seasonal rituals, and community. They discuss dragon lore, solstice drumming, nettle cakes, the balance between reverence and irreverence, and the legacy of ceremonies that shape our inner and outer landscapes. From the importance of grief altars and gratitude trees to the role of rest in our ecological cycles, this conversation traverses mythology, pedagogy, and personal practice. Jen also shares insights on rites of passage work, the...2020-12-201h 09The Forest School PodcastEp 84 - Vaguely Talking about Professional ResponsibilitiesIn this loose and laughter-filled episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma begin with caffeine-fuelled chaos (and a new puppy) before diving deep into a side of Forest School that's rarely discussed: regulation, inspection, and the mental load of compliance. Prompted by a recent Ofsted inspection, the duo open up about the emotional labour of maintaining standards, navigating grey areas of registration, and how professional autonomy in the woods can be both empowering and isolating. They explore why paperwork sometimes feels like a punch in the gut, how to balance authenticity with accountability, and the...2020-12-1239 min
The Forest School PodcastEp 83 - The Explosive Child by Dr Ross W GreeneIn this lively, insightful episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma dive into the work of Dr Ross Greene, the clinical psychologist behind The Explosive Child and Lost & Found. They explore his compassionate, actionable approach to supporting children with challenging behaviour – not through control or rewards, but through collaboration, reflective conversation, and a deep respect for unmet needs.Broadcast from a rainy Devon morning filled with cold toes, happy hardcore, and philosophical detours into Parisian pianos and historical opiates, the conversation moves through Greene’s model of Plan A, B, and C, the powe...2020-11-221h 14The Forest School PodcastEp 82 - Democratic and Sociocratic EducationIn this dynamic and deeply reflective episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma welcome Artemis Darnell from The Garden in Bristol – a self-directed, consent-based learning community. They dive into the tensions and triumphs of education that centres autonomy, explores sociocratic processes, and values emotional safety as highly as tool use or academics.From letting go of “democratic” labels to redefining conflict resolution without punishment, this conversation is a goldmine for educators seeking sustainable, child-led structures. Artemis shares how meetings, modelling, and long-term trust form the backbone of their project – and how even five-year-olds can chai...2020-11-141h 20The Forest School PodcastEp 81 - Wide GamesIn this lively, expansive episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma unpack the power and complexity of wide games in Forest School. From smuggling pebbles and chasing rabbits to navigating age-mixed play, they explore the hidden pedagogies inside high-energy group games. The episode examines how wild play can mirror ancient human behaviours, enable role-based empathy, and unlock social learning through conflict, failure, and flow. With references to escape rooms, inherited trauma, predator-prey metaphors, loose parts theory, and democratic education, this conversation reframes ‘just a game’ as a potent educational tool. Lewis and Gemma also reflect on h...2020-11-091h 19The Forest School PodcastEp 80 - ProcrastinatingIn this rich, free-flowing episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma take a walk around the woods to explore the thorny and often misunderstood concept of procrastination. Is it really just wasting time, or is there something deeper at play? With links to executive function, emotional safety, and social learning, this conversation weaves through YouTube theories, Venn diagrams, rainy day dilemmas, and the complexities of child-led time choices. They unpack when to intervene and when to let things play out, how procrastination might look in a six-hour session vs a school visit, and how learners...2020-10-2459 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 79 - Conversation with Merlin SheldrakeIn this awe-filled episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma speak with biologist, author, and researcher Merlin Sheldrake, author of Entangled Life. Together, they explore the astonishing and often mind-bending world of fungi: from underground networks and forest symbiosis to medicinal mushrooms, ancient knowledge, and cultural metaphors. The conversation is wide-ranging, touching on how fungal thinking challenges our sense of self, how mycorrhizal webs might change educational practice, and the potential of psychedelic science to reframe not just brains but beliefs. Merlin shares his thoughts on storytelling, interconnection, forgotten folk knowledge, and what it’s li...2020-10-0944 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 78 - Practitioner Spotlight w/ Fran of Woodland Pack Company🎙 In this warm and reflective Practitioner Spotlight episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma speak with Fran from The Woodland Pack, an outdoor educator based on the Wales–England border. Fran shares her honest journey through self-employment, shifting school contracts, and seasonal transitions in her practice. They explore the emotional and logistical challenges of maintaining a forest school ethos within formal education settings, funding hurdles, the blurred lines between business and personal passion, and the joy of reconnecting families with nature.This episode also dives into phone use in outdoor sessi...2020-10-0545 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 77 - The FUNgi Guy & British Mycological SocietyIn this wonderfully nerdy, joyful episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma are joined by Holly, the charismatic fungi educator behind The Fungi Guy. With warmth, wit, and humility, Holly shares his journey from amateur forager to fungi ambassador, describing how a single walk in the woods sparked a lifelong obsession. Together, they explore the wonder of mushrooms through storytelling, personal discovery, and Forest School practice—from kids exploding puffballs to adult mycophobia and fungal folklore. The conversation weaves through habitat loss, playful education, slime mould magic, death cap debates, and the ir...2020-09-291h 01The Forest School PodcastEp 76 - Exploring Gender with Dr Chris Begeny (part 2)Links from Dr Begeny are at www.children-of-the-forest.com/dr-begeny-podcastIn this rich and reflective second part of our conversation with Dr. Chris Begeny, postdoctoral fellow at the University of Exeter, we dive deeper into the gendered tensions of parenting, education, and outdoor settings. Chris joins Lewis and Gemma to unpack how perceptions of fatherhood, safeguarding, praise, and gender bias affect Forest School and beyond. Together they navigate uncomfortable truths and laugh at social absurdities, all while examining how privilege, social roles, and neuroscience intersect in children's lives.This far-reaching discussion touches...2020-09-2543 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 75 - Exploring Gender with Dr Chris Begeny (part 1)Links from Dr Begeny are at www.children-of-the-forest.com/dr-begeny-podcast In this thoughtful and expansive episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma are joined by Dr Chris Begeny, a social psychologist from the University of Exeter, to unpack the complex interplay between gender, identity, and education. From imposter syndrome to ambient belonging, gendered expectations to power tools, the trio explore how gender roles are formed, reinforced, and challenged in both classrooms and outdoor settings.The discussion weaves between academic insights and real-life reflections, touching on early childhood development, t...2020-09-181h 23The Forest School PodcastEp 74 - Nature Premium CampaignIn this essential episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma are joined by FSA Directors Sarah Collins and Sarah Lawfull to explore the Nature Premium campaign—an urgent and inspiring movement advocating for ring-fenced funding for nature-based experiences in all UK schools and nurseries. They unpack the origins of the campaign, why it emerged during lockdown, and what impact it could have on equity, wellbeing, education, and climate-consciousness. From the sharp contrast between urban and rural access to green space, to the long-term physical, emotional, and societal benefits of regular nature connection, this episode captures a pivotal mo...2020-09-051h 07The Forest School PodcastEp 73 - Bad Birdwatching & Rewilding. Review of books by Simon BarnesIn this face-to-face episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma reflect on their deep dive into bird books, sparked by their recent conversation with Maya Rose Craig. Broadcasting from the woods under crochet blankets and canopy chatter, they explore what it means to become more attuned to birdlife—and the subtle dynamics of naming, noticing, and knowledge. Along the way, they critique Simon Barnes' books How to Be a Bad Birdwatcher and Rewild Yourself, unpacking powerful ideas (and some problematic language) about access to nature, adult ego, gendered narratives, and inclusion. They reflect on how we...2020-08-1542 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 72 - Bird Girl conversation A.K.A. Mya-Rose CraigIn this energising episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma speak with Maya-Rose Craig – also known as Birdgirl – a globally renowned birder, author, and environmental activist. From harpy eagles in the Amazon to rewilding battles in British churchyards, Maya-Rose shares powerful stories that connect birds, identity, justice, and youth-led activism. Together, they explore how birding can ignite lifelong passion, why access to green spaces is a human right, and what makes Robins so feisty. The conversation weaves through intersectional environmentalism, ecotourism, and grassroots organising – all grounded in Maya-Rose’s vision for a wilder, fairer world. With ins...2020-08-1536 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 71 - The Vestibular System and Sensory Inputs!In this lively, research-driven episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma dig beneath the surface of a post-lockdown playground obsession: swings, hammocks and anything that spins. Using real-time observations, they unlock what the vestibular and proprioceptive systems actually do, why so many children suddenly crave “heavy work”, and how practitioners can read behaviour as a sensory message rather than misbehaviour. Along the way they share OT-informed tips for building a balanced “sensory diet”, explain the now-famous “bucket-with-little-holes” analogy for self-regulation, and explore the delicate art of offering risk without chaos—whether that’s bear-hugging a dysregulated chi...2020-07-2954 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 70 - Clay Play!In this lively episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma start with an urgent call to action for the Nature Premium Campaign, then plunge—sometimes literally—into the messy magic of clay. From Devon’s red earth to DIY kilns, they unpack how digging, grinding, mixing and face-painting with soil become powerful vehicles for child-led learning, teamwork, and sensory regulation. Along the way they touch on work-play theory, primitive-technology YouTube, seasonal planning (“when is clay too cold?”), and even adult wellbeing—think barefoot shoes, conker soap, and post-session Pringles. The conversation reminds practitioners that the richest lear...2020-07-2155 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 69 - Reflections on going back to work!In this candid, light-hearted episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma swap the storm-battered cabin for Zoom as they dissect their first two days back in the woods post-lockdown. From ever-shifting government guidance and endless risk-benefit paperwork to aching legs, rusty storytelling and a stubborn fire, they explore what “returning to normal” really looks like for practitioners. The conversation ranges from the power of a pre-season WhatsApp group and a child-designed tree-house to dynamic emotional risk assessment, why mine-sight (empathy) is exhausting, and how two-day blocks open up slower, deeper learning. It’s a refreshingly honest...2020-07-0838 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 68 - Exploring CPD with Staś PstrokonskiIn this lively, time-warped episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma link up with Stas, creator of Education Bookcast, who joins them from Taiwan (hence the three-second audio delay!). Together they unpack why reading deeply can sharpen outdoor practice, how discovery learning tripped them all up, and where Forest School sits on the traditional-progressive-unschooling spectrum. The conversation roams from cognitive science and confirmation bias to CPD economics, signalling theory, and the eternal tug-of-war between freedom and direction. Expect honest reflections, a few myth-busts, and plenty of ideas for keeping your practice evidence-informed without losing the...2020-06-221h 03The Forest School PodcastEp 67 - Feral - George Monbio - Book ReviewIn this rain-drenched, fireside edition of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma park the screen-time guilt and dive head-first into Feral: Rewilding the Land, Sea and Human Life by George Monbiot. They unravel how Monbiot’s radical call for “self-willed land” pushes far beyond the now-familiar story of Wilding, tackling everything from Welsh hill sheep and EU subsidies to megafauna, shifting baselines and the personal thrill of going properly feral. Along the way they weigh up tree-planting fashion versus long-term ecosystem thinking, the ethics of re-introductions, and whether modern practitioners (and their children) can still taste that p...2020-06-111h 05The Forest School PodcastEp 66 - Building CommunitiesIn this wide-ranging, laughter-peppered episode of The Source Code Podcast, Lewis and Gemma start with malfunctioning headsets and end up unpacking what real community looks like in Forest School – and beyond. They contrast Scandinavian hygge with “hard-core” survivalism, question contrived ice-breakers, and show how castles, trebuchets and visiting queens can forge genuine bonds. Drawing on research around adverse childhood experiences, they argue that authentic relationships, shared discomfort and playful collaboration create the safety nets children (and adults) need. From call-centre horror stories to sap-soaked hazel saplings, this conversation celebrates mess, flexibility and the slow work of belonging.⏱...2020-06-041h 09The Forest School PodcastEp 65 - Grief, Trauma and Challenging Behaviour after Covid-19 w/Jon CreeIn this wide-ranging conversation, Lewis and Gemma sit down with legendary Forest School pioneer John Cree—the movement’s first ever Ambassador—to explore how practitioners can support children returning after lockdown. Drawing on decades of youth-work, neuroscience and somatic therapy, John discusses adverse childhood experiences, grief, trauma and “challenging behaviour”, and explains why grounding, resistance play and safe touch are vital even amid social-distancing rules. The trio cover everything from screens and proprioception to semiotics, risk assessments and the chance for a “golden moment” in outdoor education. Packed with practical insights, it’s a timely reminder that compassiona...2020-05-301h 13The Forest School PodcastEp 64 - Autism at Forest School w/ Michael James & Andy SmithIn this wide-ranging conversation Lewis and Gemma sit down with autistic advocates Michael James and Andy Smith to explore how Forest School can become genuinely neuro-inclusive. They trace the pair’s friendship from a LinkedIn book-review message to joint conference keynotes, then dive into masking, flow states, pathological demand avoidance (PDA) and why “structure” is more about safety-nets than rigid timetables. The guests argue for an “inside-out” approach built on acceptance, self-advocacy and playful community - whether that’s punk bands, late-night reservoir walks or Spectrum Gaming’s online meet-ups. Throughout, they challenge tokenistic “interventions”, champion learner-led practice and share...2020-05-221h 27The Forest School PodcastEp 63 - SDL and Choice Theory w/ Froo Signore (FSA Director), Emma and James.In this wide-ranging lockdown episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma sit down (remotely) with fellow practitioner Froo and her teenagers Emma (18) and James (16). From solo bird-watching missions on the Mersey mudflats to turning the family kitchen into a West End dance studio, the trio unpack what happens when young people suddenly have time, freedom and trust. They explore boredom as fertile ground for projects, how Choice Theory and non-violent communication can defuse family flash-points, and why one GCSE-age birder is lobbying his headteacher to scrap rewards and sanctions altogether. It’s an honest, hopeful co...2020-05-071h 12The Forest School PodcastEp 62 - 'The Storytelling Animal' & 'Therapeutic Storytelling' - Book ReviewIn this wide-ranging, laughter-laden episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma shelter from a rain-lashed lockdown and dive deep into storytelling: why humans spin tales, how narrative shapes children’s play, and what makes a therapeutic story “work”. Bouncing between Jonathan Gottschall’s The Storytelling Animal, Susan Perrow’s Therapeutic Storytelling, gender studies, dream science, and cross-cultural myths, they unpack the idea that every good story revolves around “trouble”—and that those invented troubles permanently shift real-world behaviour, from playground dynamics to world history. Along the way they debate mindful breathing empires, screen-free toilets, GCSE set texts, and t...2020-04-291h 12The Forest School PodcastEp 61 - Mental Health Check!In this gently candid episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma swap the woods for the living-room and wrestle with an unexpected theme: being “on tap, not on top” during lockdown. They unpack Tom Richardson’s phrase, explore why constant availability to children is so draining, and reflect on the ego-hits that come from losing outdoor sessions and instant feedback. From brain-chemistry changes indoors to the “should/must” voice of parental guilt, the pair chart practical ways to stay connected with families without diluting Forest School ethos, and share hard-won strategies for self-care, exercise, journalling and humour...2020-04-2255 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 60 - The Power of Showing Up - By DANIEL J. SIEGEL and TINA PAYNE BRYSON - Book ReviewIn this relaxed yet far-ranging episode, Lewis and Gemma swap the windy outdoors for a paper-strewn desk to unpack The Power of Showing Up by Daniel Siegel & Tina Payne Bryson. From audiobook PDFs and Amazon reviews to bedtime “defrag” chats, they explore the book’s four-S framework (Safe, Seen, Soothed, Secure), “mindsight”, and how secure attachment ripples from home to Forest School, classrooms, and even carbon-guzzling data centres. The pair question traffic-light behaviour charts, highlight the life-changing impact of one caring adult on ACE-laden children, and confess what lockdown is doing to their own play needs. Whether you’re a p...2020-04-101h 09The Forest School PodcastEp 59 - Online Resources during Lockdown! W/ Nik Elvy and Charly CrumpIn this reflective round-table episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma invite long-time colleagues Nick (Curious School of the Wild, Cornwall) and Charlie (Devon-born, now Sheffield) to unpack the big question every outdoor educator is wrestling with under lockdown: “Should we be flooding the internet with Forest School content—or stepping back?”Together they explore the sudden surge of free online activities, the ethics of “giving away” hard-won ideas, and the hidden inequities when children have wildly different access to space, tools or even a patch of grass. The conversation ranges from Corona-rage and grief...2020-04-031h 15The Forest School PodcastEp 58 - I Like Birds! (Live on Youtube)In this relaxed, bird-filled episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma perch indoors after a blustery start and let the conversation take flight. Beginning with the simple observation that “birds are everywhere”, they spiral into how avian encounters shape outdoor learning: from inventing silly mnemonics for calls, to tuning your brain to seasonal song, to building human-sized nests and running “find-your-flock” games that make even reserved adults crow with delight. Along the way they unpack why learning nature ID is exponential, celebrate corvid cleverness (including a surreal four-jay “meeting” in Gemma’s garden), update listeners on the notorio...2020-03-3144 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 57 - Playwork Principles & FSA PrinciplesIn this reflective, wind-ruffled episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma huddle round hot chocolate under a parachute canopy and dive deep into the meeting point between playwork and Forest School. From the struggle to find credible playwork training to the thorny online debates about who “owns” the term play, they unpack the eight Playwork Principles one by one, comparing them with Forest School’s six core principles. Along the way they question what truly counts as “free” play, how adults can avoid adulterating children’s impulses, and why CPD and professional humility matter more than fancy p...2020-03-061h 03The Forest School PodcastEp 56 - Birdwings Forest School (Queensland, Australia) ConversationIn this wide-ranging, good-humoured episode, Lewis and Gemma link up (10,000 miles apart!) with Jen and Narelle from Birdwings Forest School in subtropical Queensland. A dropped mic, a previously lost recording and torrential rain set the scene for a conversation about embracing imperfection, working on flooded bushland, and letting the landscape re-shape the day. They explore how First Nations acknowledgement frames every session; why children become “Story Keepers” who create new Dreaming tales; the art of trusting nature—and toddlers—to solve problems; and how a fledgling Australian Association of Forest School Leaders is weaving playwork, nature-connection and practiti...2020-02-251h 05The Forest School PodcastEp 54 - Conversation with Tom Bardon - Can curricula work in Forest School?In this wide-ranging conversation, Lewis and Gemma welcome Tom Barden of Green Man Learning to unpack why he created the Wild Passport and how it offers another “arrow in the quiver” for outdoor educators. Together they explore the cultural roots of tool use, balancing learner-centred play with curriculum pressures, the ecological footprint of woodland sites, and the perennial question of what truly counts as Forest School. Along the way they swap stories about storm-felled trees, mindful knife-sharpening, leaving mainstream teaching, and the joys of subversive CPD that keeps curiosity alive. The result is a thoughtful look at prog...2020-02-141h 00The Forest School PodcastEp 53 - Curiosity!In this reflective, free-flowing episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma retreat to the cabin and let a single newspaper article take them down multiple woodland rabbit holes. Beginning with signs of spring and the comforts (and perils) of recording indoors, they unpack a recent Guardian piece on children’s questioning, ponder why curiosity collapses once formal schooling begins, and explore how Forest School can keep the flame alive. Along the way they share vivid stories—snowdrop rambles, improvised “woodlouse sanctuaries”, and the moment a statistics bombshell (107 questions an hour!) stopped them in their tracks. Listener...2020-02-0754 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 52 - Tristan Gooley - The Natural Navigator InterviewIn this lively, idea-packed episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma abandon their promised “earthworm special” to sit down with celebrated natural navigator Tristan Gooley. The trio roam from comedy intros to deep cognition, unpacking how fast-and-slow thinking shapes our perception outdoors, why letting children wander off-trail builds real learning, and how tiny clues—puffball spores, the tilt of a tree, a campfire pancake—scale up to universal maps. Along the way Tristan reveals the editorial battles behind his books, confronts shifting climate cues such as the north-marching Trentepohlia algae, and encourages listeners to join the dete...2020-01-241h 24The Forest School PodcastEp 51 - Nature Connection with Lily HorsemanIn this lively, laugh-filled episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma welcome long-time online linchpin Lily Horseman (Chair of the Forest School Association and founder of Kindling) for a free-ranging chat that moves from stationery obsessions to slime-mould revelations. Together they explore:the comfort—and peril—of social-media echo chambers for practitionersLily’s journey from feral childhood through playwork to Forest School trainingwhy Forest School has flourished while playwork funding has witheredbalancing practical skills with deep ethos on leader coursesusin...2019-12-201h 19The Forest School PodcastEp 50 - "You can't say 'You can't play'" - Book ReviewIn this wind-swept instalment of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma retreat to the kitchen and dive deep into Vivian Gussin Paley’s provocative book You Can’t Say You Can’t Play. Using the storm outside as a backdrop, they explore children’s right to choose their playmates, the pain and purpose of rejection, and whether practitioners should ever enforce inclusion. Along the way they contrast UK break-time realities with all-day Forest School flow, unpack “boss” dynamics in playground games, debate the ethics of stepping in, and ask how much vulnerability leaders should show when reflecting w...2019-12-1358 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 49 - Deep Play vs Shallow: A Case for BoredomIn this rain-spattered, crisp-crunching episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma huddle by the fire to mull over boredom, deep-vs-shallow play, and why children (and adults) need unstructured pauses to stretch their “play roots.”From Christmas gift overloads to Minecraft marathons — and a sidetrack on cul-de-sac “Mad Knobbly Monopoly” — they explore how real learning blooms when you don’t rush to fill the silence. Expect talk of nature-connection moments, circle-of-concentration games, green-ink disasters, wind warnings, and… yes… a spirited debate on whether 90s-style woodland gangs really did “just poo behind a tree.”⏱ Chapter Timings00:00...2019-12-0645 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 48 - Failure and Resilience: Hitting the ZPD.In this fireside-crackling, pre-Christmas episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma start with crooning crooners and “Baby, It’s Cold Outside,” then dive into what really keeps children warm: challenge in the “Zone of Proximal Development.”They unpack Vygotsky’s 1930s idea, why Maslow’s triangle irks Lewis, and how authentic play naturally pitches itself at just-right difficulty—provided adults don’t rush in with crutches. From whittling mallets and climbing wobbly treehouses to sorting playground quarrels without grown-up referees, they explore how perseverance, emotional coaching and trust create resilient learners. The duo also tackle lunchtime m...2019-11-2948 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 47 - 'Why Schools Don't Educate' - John Taylor GattoIn this thoughtful, occasionally fiery episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma begin with a half-empty toddler session—children abandoning a bright but biting morning—and spiral into a wide-angle interrogation of what schooling is for. Bouncing off John Taylor Gatto’s 1991 “Teacher of the Year” speech, they question Maslow’s hierarchy, explore schooling as childcare, weigh up social-class mixing, and sketch an audacious “no-grades, mentor-led” alternative that merges Forest School ethos with community apprenticeships. Expect side trips into private-school privilege, teenage genius, free play as real learning and whether any teacher can “change the system from inside...2019-11-1548 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 46 - Should children play in the rain??In this brisk, wind-whipped episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma tackle the perennial British dilemma: “Do we still run Forest School when it’s tipping it down?”Drawing on soaked tarps, collapsed shelters and toddler groups in hail, they weigh up risk, kit, site impact and that elusive “hookah” feeling of singing round a stove while the storm hammers overhead. From leggings-plus-wind-chill hypothermia to the joy of mud kitchens that only appear after a deluge, they share hard-won tips for safeguarding children, clothing, morale — and the woodland itself. The conversation roams through non-uniform-day disasters, v...2019-11-0850 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 45 - Getting Kids doing Woodland ManagementIn this wide-ranging, good-humoured episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma start with storms, sea swims and the perils of playground design before digging into their main theme: “Woodland Management With Children.”They unpack why trimming paths, felling sycamores, planting saplings and chopping firewood are much more than chores—they are long-term lessons in ecology, heritage and community. Along the way they explore play theory, tree lore, common-land history, Britain’s low forest cover, the folklore of stolen fire and why “a woodland that pays is a woodland that stays.” The conversation finishes with a listener Q...2019-11-0249 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 44 - Democratic Play!Gemma dashes in straight from the woods—muddy boots, leaf-tangled hair—and Lewis hits record for a rapid-fire chat on how democratic play actually works in real life 🌱. Kicking off with Peter Gray’s latest Psychology Today essays, they unpack why true democracy boils down to “freedom + responsibility” and why unstructured, child-led play is the only arena that consistently teaches it. From there they wrestle with messy realities: power-imbalanced games, mixed-age clashes and the fine line between helpful facilitation and adult dictatorship 👀.The duo contrast Gray’s ideals with Vivian Gussin Paley’s rule-changing manifesto You Can’t Say You Can’t Play...2019-10-1941 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 43 - Is activism a part of Forest School?Gemma kicks things off—shoes off, that is—explaining why a mud-bath “bare-foot break” can reset practitioner wellbeing as effectively as any spa session. From there the conversation pivots to a thornier theme gripping UK newsfeeds: 🌍 climate activism. Should Forest School leaders join Extinction Rebellion marches, glue themselves to bridges, or remain politically neutral?Lewis admits he’s never protested, arguing that systemic, legislative change will stick only if it’s backed by personal, grassroots lifestyle shifts. Gemma counters that direct action can inspire those very shifts, especially when led by young people; she recalls Exeter’s youth...2019-10-1136 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 42 - Picture Books!Lewis & Gemma dive into one of their favourite teaching tools—📚 picture books—and ask a thorny question: Do illustrated stories belong in Forest School, or should they stay indoors? After skimming recent battles on practitioner forums, they argue that well-chosen picture books can deepen nature connection and social-emotional learning.The duo outline multiple benefits:Bibliophilia – fostering a tactile love of books, from “Bible-thin” pages to musty hardbacks.Visual art inspiration – hand-drawn illustrations double as art resources; children copy styles or invent their own.Story as time-lapse – seasonal picture books (e.g., Where the W...2019-10-0437 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 41 - Looking after your Physicality!The autumn equinox is here 🍂 and Lewis & Gemma are feeling the shift in both daylight and energy. This week they explore why the September-to-October stretch can be physically and mentally draining for Forest School leaders—and how to stay resilient. First, they unpack the “extra hustle” of welcoming new groups after summer: rebuilding routines, re-establishing play dynamics, and absorbing children’s heightened need for support.Conversation then pivots to practical self-care. Lewis swears by hot-bath “core re-charging,” 5 a.m. power-lifting sessions and a month-long experiment with “ground living” (ditching the sofa for floor-squatting, inspired by Tony Riddle). Ge...2019-09-2839 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 40 - Book Review: The Whole Brain ChildLewis and Gemma are back from the summer break and diving straight into ☕ caffeine, kombucha — and books. After a light-hearted catch-up about their latest ferments (matcha for now, homemade kombucha soon), they turn to the main event: a deep review of The Whole-Brain Child by Dr. Daniel J. Siegel and Dr. Tina Payne Bryson.The duo explore the book’s core idea of brain “integration,” breaking down Siegel’s left-/right-brain and upstairs-/downstairs-brain models. They discuss why the river-of-well-being metaphor resonates with Forest School practice, how “connect and redirect” conversations mirror non-violent communication, and why storytelling...2019-09-1036 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 39 - Wilderness Gathering Live Podcast!Recorded round a picnic bench at the Wilderness Gathering (West Knoyle, Dorset). Lewis, Gemma, Adrian, Kay and Dave talk about staffing the Forest School Association (FSA) stand, county gatherings and the value of swapping ideas face-to-face.• Why the FSA Southwest team came to the festival – pointing visitors to local settings, sharing good practice, recruiting new members• Gatherings as “mini-conferences”: kit hacks, toilets, kitchen shelters, branding, social media dos & don’ts – and moral support for lone practitioners• Isolation versus community – teaching background, moving from formal education into Forest School, worries about being “new” and imposter syndrome•...2019-08-171h 03The Forest School PodcastEp 38 - The Midnight Waffle ChatGemma and Lewis record in the dark by the camp-fire during a family camping sleep-over. It’s 9:50 pm, owls are calling and they’re a bit overtired – so expect extra waffle and late-night tangents.• Rain relief – finally breaks a three-week dry spell; both admit jumpers are Britain’s national security blanket• A huge sweet-chestnut limb dropped after drought; quick reminder about “summer branch drop” in oak/chestnut as well as beech• Setting up their first moth lamp and reminiscing about the perfect buff-tip moth that once fooled everyone as a snapped birch twig• Night-time bird...2019-08-0632 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 37 - Summer Reading Recommendations!Gemma and Lewis open in classic British style – celebrating the first proper rain in almost three weeks and admitting national jumper-anxiety. While thunder rolls in the background they:• compare iPhone “floors climbed” stats• share a long digression about government tracking, MI5 recruitment myths and targeted phone ads• recount a huge sweet-chestnut limb that dropped on site after the recent drought, reminding everyone about “summer branch drop” (not just beeches – chestnut and oak too)• play a six-bird quiz using the Birdsong – 150 British & Irish Birds button-book: 1 Raven 2 Jay 3 Lesser spotted woodpecker 4 Great tit 5 Goldcrest 6 Wren + bonus c...2019-07-2043 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 36 - Bird Quiz #1Gemma brings the Birdsong button-book and Lewis plays “name-that-tweet.” From ravens’ office gossip to goldcrests in conifers, we derail into MI6 recruitment, chicken nappies and phone-based surveillance – but somehow loop back to purposeful listening outdoors.🚗 Apple “steps & floors” chat, blocked noses and elevation paranoia🕵️♂️ Lewis’ totally-real MI5 recruitment story (“Do I have to kill people?” – “Yes.”)💸 Tech eavesdropping: teeth-whitening ads & sperm-donor pop-ups🎤 BIRD QUIZ:Raven (social geniuses, imitate speech)Jay (egg-thief, acorn forester)Wood warbler (roots-nest, African migrant)Great tit (“teacher-teacher!”)Goldcrest (smallest UK bird, squeaky bike)2019-07-1535 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 35 - Rites of Passage!Lewis & Gemma spiral into a midsummer head-cold haze and ask, “What actually makes a good rite of passage?” From hot pennies hurled at peasants to Year-6 mortarboards, nothing is safe.🤧 Lewis can’t remember life with two nostrils; Gemma’s hen snores on the stairs🌓 Solstice rituals, Charlotte Church’s democratic-school idea & smashing down the bit you built🎓 Primary-school “graduations” in robes – why? And why the two of us skipped our uni ceremonies⚒️ Ceremony vs. genuine rite-of-passage (and when rewards wreck intrinsic motivation)🐚 Artefacts that work – tickets, twigs, rope from a den, tiny memories you can...2019-07-0546 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 34 - Tracey Maciver Interview Lewis & Gemma welcome Tracy MacIver – Forest-School trainer, perennial swearer, and author of three (almost four!) beloved activity handbooks. Between squirrel-raids on the mud-kitchen and tales of backpack knives, the trio wanders through:📚 How Tracy’s first book began as a photocopied “activity diary” for one anxious colleague🪄 Handbag-survival hen parties (tampons = perfect fire-lighters)🤦♂️ Adults: the real liability at whittling sessions (“I know how to use a knife… stab”)🌳 Meeting reluctant teachers where they are – and why “any outdoor lesson is better than none”🏫 The curse of 24-hour news & the shrinking childhood roam-range...2019-06-291h 05The Forest School PodcastEp 33 - Working with AdultsIt’s Solstice time—or as Lewis and Gemma imagine it, post-apocalyptic bunker-time, when all that remains is a crumbling podcast archive passed through generations. In this reflective, meandering, and slightly pollen-fogged episode, your hosts explore adult learning at Forest School, the strange self-consciousness of grown-ups in the woods, and what it means to meet parents, trainees, and professionals exactly where they are. They dive into:🍃 Mud, mess & Range Rover parents☕ Slugs as self-care and play for grown-ups📚 Theory vs. vibes in adult training🔥 When adults are just big kids (with hayf...2019-06-2139 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 32 - Side Effects May Include....In this rain-tapping, fireside-style episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma explore the unexpected side effects of being a Forest School practitioner. Born from a moment of atmospheric pressure-drop telepathy, this conversation drifts through proprioception, weather instincts, sensitivity to group energy, and the profound (and often hilarious) personal changes that unfold after years of working outdoors with children.From dodging skinny trousers in favour of squatting-friendly kit, to developing slug-on-head bravery and nettle-eating confidence, the pair share how the job rewires your senses, reshapes your social filters, and alters your wardrobe, immune system...2019-06-0740 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 31 - Den Building!Lewis and Gemma drift on a gentle breeze into the world of dens—from childhood hidey-holes to Forest School fortresses. They spin together memory-stories (hedgerow hideaways, Aladdin-cave fireguards, war-ready clay-ammo dens in building-site dumps), debate what materials make “better” dens (natural sticks vs. tarps, pallets, top-holes), and wrestle with the real play-worker dilemma of permanence vs. pack-up: when to preserve a child’s long-term build and when to clear it away. Along the way you’ll hear:Bumblebee genomics & colonial hierarchy (!)Why “a den” is more than four sticks in the groundTarps, palet...2019-05-2439 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 30 - Springboard Activities!In this energetic, hands-on episode Lewis and Gemma explore the magic of springboard activities—those simple setups that spark hours of play, learning and wonder. After nibbling Romanian walnuts and defining “springboard” with a nod to Lily Kindling’s session-plan template, they share their top examples: from fluttering paper swallows to a tangled rope labyrinth, Sally Secret’s hidden den, collaborative Stone Soup, Hansel & Gretel chalk art and enchanted gnome-hunt walks. Expect tales of clay creatures born from Earth, monkey-Butler improv, puppet birds chasing sunlight, elfin invitations and more ways to ignite a child-led adventure.⏱ Chapter Timi...2019-05-1735 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 29 - EssentialismIn this thoughtful, wide-ranging episode Lewis and Gemma return from a fog-shrouded break to explore Cal Newport’s “Essentialism” and its powerful lessons for both life and Forest School practice. They unpack Newport’s core principle—focusing relentlessly on what truly matters—and discuss opportunity costs, the art of saying “no,” and how Amish communities vet new technologies against their values. Along the way they explore applying essentialism to kit choices, session planning, digital tools, work–life balance buffers and guiding Forest School branding. It’s a practical manifesto for choosing less, doing more—and doing it better.⏱ Chapte...2019-05-0329 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 28 - Pay to play: Is outdoor play a class issue?In this misty, reflective episode Lewis and Gemma savour a fog-shrouded morning in the woods, admire dew-spangled spider-webs and commiserate over hay fever—before taking on a thorny topic: is outdoor education a right or a privilege? They kick off with the BBC’s recent “walled-playground” story and a thought-provoking blog by Nick Lewis on the hidden costs of outdoor pursuits (DofE kit, waterproofs, etc.). Drawing on personal experience as both a publicly funded Forest School provider and a private endeavour, they explore the tension between universal free access and the realities of running a sustainable service. Along th...2019-03-2928 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 26 - Play is Stressful!In this lively, thought-provoking episode, Lewis and Gemma shelter from stormy March winds in the cabin and introduce a deceptively simple yet powerful theme: “Stressful Messy Play” (or “playing at work”). Beginning with a fun fact about why March is the windiest month and an explanation of ancient woodland anemones (aka windflowers), they dive into how play that looks serious, high-stakes or even “stressful” can actually build resilience, physical strength and social understanding. From toddlers rehearsing “please” and “thank you” to children heaving grain through a former science-museum exhibit, they explore how large-muscle, adrenaline-charged activities prepare us for real-world chall...2019-03-1532 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 25 - Richard Irvine InterviewIn this engaging, wide-ranging episode, Lewis and Gemma sit down with forest-craft expert Richard Irvine to unpack the journey of turning hands-on craft skills into a beautifully photographed, foolproof step-by-step book. They dig into the challenges of writing clear instructions without in-person coaching, the value of a pared-back tool kit (just a pruning saw, whittling knife, awl and tent peg!), and designing projects that work for families as well as schools. Along the way they explore how reflective writing reshaped Richard’s in-person courses, the importance of motor and emotional readiness for safe tool use, and why cr...2019-03-0156 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 24 - Home Education Groups - Tips and Tricks!What does Forest School look like when it’s woven into the fabric of a home educating life? In this full and playful episode, Lewis and Gemma reflect on years of working with home educated families in Forest School settings. They discuss the key differences between children who’ve always been home educated and those who’ve left mainstream school, share advice for starting a home ed Forest School group, and unpack the deeper philosophies behind their open, play-focused model. The conversation ranges from adult expectations and community culture to the unpredictable joys of passion projects, dinosaur obsess...2019-02-2332 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 23 - Book Review: "Evolutionary Playworking"In this deep-dive episode, Lewis and Gemma explore Evolutionary Playwork and Reflective Analytic Practice by Bob Hughes — a seminal but notoriously dense book that challenges how we think about play, education, and the evolution of humanity itself. Together, they unpack the book’s provocative ideas: the role of play in human development, the power of truly adult-free play spaces, the tension between practical playwork and academic theory, and the psychological value of risk and conflict in childhood. They debate Hughes’ anarchic approach to morality in play spaces, question how to meet every child’s needs in dynamic settings...2019-01-2537 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 22 - PlanningIn this episode, Lewis and Gemma dive deep into the layered reality of planning in Forest School. From laminated resources to spontaneous spoon carving, they discuss the contrast between top-down educational planning and the responsive, cyclical, seasonal approach required in outdoor settings. With honesty and humour, they unpack what planning actually looks like when you’re working in tune with the land, the seasons, and the children.They explore:Seasonal planning as a flexible frameworkHow plans are shaped by group dynamics and practitioner energyWhy having personal projects ma...2019-01-1838 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 21 - Setting Goals!In this reflective and surprisingly passionate episode, Lewis and Gemma kick off the new year by unpacking what it means to set goals for yourself, your Forest School, and the children in your care. They explore their chosen theme for the year—Nature Connection—and the thinking behind it. What does it look like to move beyond "just being outside" and intentionally build stillness, presence, and deeper engagement with nature into sessions?They discuss real-life examples of nature connection activities (some of which feel wonderfully weird), the tricky balance between child-led and adult-initiated moments, and how...2019-01-1132 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 20 - 2018 Review!In this special reflective episode, Lewis and Gemma take a rambling, funny, and deeply human walk through the entire Forest School year of 2018. Using their camera roll as a guide, they recall the highs, lows, and everything in between—from frozen tree pickups in January to emotional moments with their own children in the woods. Expect stories about chaotic community Christmas tree collections, child-built treehouses, dead mice in fire buckets, camo shelters turned WWII reenactments, and the grounding presence of woodland wildlife. They also revisit the joy of elderflower pancakes, role-play wood chopping, buzzard shirts, ice-cream science, an...2018-12-2836 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 19 - 'Non-Violent Communication' Book ReviewIn this episode, Lewis and Gemma dive into Marshall Rosenberg’s groundbreaking book Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life. They unpack how this deceptively simple framework has the potential to transform relationships, especially in Forest School and parenting settings. They reflect on Rosenberg’s most dramatic examples (including one involving a would-be mugger), why storytelling our needs matters, and how we can move away from judging others to identifying unmet needs—ours and theirs.Together, they question how we create space for this kind of intentional empathy when time is limited, whether it can work with children in mom...2018-12-2124 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 18 - Feminism and Gender Roles in Storytelling!In this powerful and thought-provoking episode, Lewis and Gemma take on a theme that’s often brushed aside in children’s education: gender and feminism in storytelling. Huddled in sub-zero temperatures, they explore how the stories we tell—especially fairy tales, myths, and folk tales—are shaped by the historical dominance of male perspectives and how that influences children’s perceptions of power, consent, agency, and value. With real examples like Sleeping Beauty, Angela Carter’s Bloody Chamber, and The Tiger Who Came to Tea, the conversation unpacks gender tropes, the portrayal of women as objects or villains, and how storytel...2018-12-1431 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 17 - It Doesn't Have to be Perfect!In this calm, conversational episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma take shelter from the wind and explore the deceptively simple theme: "It Doesn’t Have to Be Perfect." From last-minute changes and forgotten kit to messy sessions and emotional curveballs, they unpack what ‘perfection’ really means in the world of outdoor education. This wide-ranging episode discusses planning vs spontaneity, child-led doesn’t mean child-commanded, scaffolding social and emotional play just as intentionally as tool use, and how reflection over time helps shape what practitioners offer. With rich metaphors from music, pottery, and performance, they encourage listeners to embra...2018-12-0728 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 16 - Practitioner Burnout!!In this brutally honest and often hilarious episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma brave torrential storms to dive deep into one of the most unspoken realities of outdoor education: burnout and fatigue. As Forest School leaders themselves, they share the emotional and physical toll of holding space in the winter months—when the woods feel like they're hibernating, children are still full of energy, and practitioners are managing fire safety, food, waterproofs, soggy play, and emotional support all at once. They discuss how seasonal changes affect both children and adults, why storytelling surges in co...2018-11-3029 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 15 - Mixed Age Groups!In this rich, relatable episode, Lewis and Gemma explore the unique benefits and dynamics of mixed age play in Forest School settings. Drawing from their experiences running toddler groups, family sessions, and holiday events, they discuss how mixed ages—from newborns to 12-year-olds—create powerful opportunities for emotional growth, leadership, empathy, and inclusive community building. The conversation also touches on unspoken learning hierarchies, how older children rediscover play through younger peers, and the soft social skills that emerge when verbal and pre-verbal children interact. They challenge traditional age segregation in education and offer insight into how play, free...2018-11-1623 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 14 - Pulling the legs off a spiderIn this provocative and thoughtful episode, Lewis and Gemma grapple with one of the thorniest questions in Forest School practice: how do we respond when children harm insects or animals during play? Is it ever appropriate to allow a child to pull the legs off a spider in the name of learning? Where do we draw lines between empathy, mastery, morality, and real-world contradictions—like leather shoes or farming values? Recorded in the woods just before a storm rolls in, this discussion delves into the emotional, philosophical, and cultural layers around our relationships with animals, how we mo...2018-11-0931 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 13 - CookingIn this warm, hilarious, and thoughtful episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma dive into cooking at Forest School—why it matters, how it works, and what it reveals about play, connection, and community. They share practical experiences with wood-fired pizzas, vegan cakes, Dutch oven disasters, and collaborative apple pancakes, all cooked outdoors with children and families. The conversation ranges from the science of sensory eating to mindfulness, communal bonding, food as a leveller between adults and children, and how Forest School cooking reclaims lost skills and traditions. You'll hear about the magic of shared po...2018-11-0232 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 12 - FSA South West Gathering!In this rich and heartwarming group conversation, recorded around a campfire at the Southwest Forest School gathering, Lewis is joined by Megan Adams, Judy Simpson, and K.W. from Holly and Hawthorn. Together they explore what success really means in a Forest School setting—beyond tick-box outcomes or academic regurgitation. This roundtable shares powerful personal stories of transformation, belonging, and growth from children and adults alike. From children finding their voice in the woods, to practitioners recognising the slow and relational impact of their work, the episode highlights the deep, often invisible, successes of Forest School. They al...2018-10-2132 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 11 - TrainingIn this deep and often humorous episode, Lewis is joined by a fellow Forest School leader to explore the messy, contradictory, and powerful experience of Forest School training. They compare two very different Level 3 journeys — one recent, one several years ago — and unpack what makes a good trainer, what participants should leave with, and how training formats shape mindset and confidence. The conversation ranges from intensive vs. extended course structures to questioning received wisdom (including controversial tool safety practices), the challenge of teaching adults vs. children, and whether Forest School training should be a transformative journey. Expect real...2018-10-1441 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 10 - StorytellingIn this reflective episode recorded straight after a storytelling retreat with Chris Holland, Lewis and Gemma unpack the emotional and practical impact of storytelling in Forest School settings. From the improvisational freedom of the retreat to the deep ancient roots of oral storytelling, they explore why it’s such a potent tool for play, community, and child development. They discuss the power of story structure, storytelling as a safe way to explore emotion and experience, and how rhythm, setting, and sensory cues (like ponchos or drums) enhance the magic. If you’ve ever wondered why storytelling “works” in natur...2018-09-2922 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 9 - Rhythms and RoutinesAfter a long break (and a lost episode to static), Lewis and Gemma return with a rich conversation about rhythm, routine, and structure in Forest School. This episode explores how routines form naturally through repetition, not enforcement, and how children gradually build confidence and independence through a session’s rhythm. They discuss seasonal influences on focus and flow, the importance of “negative capability” in adult facilitators, and how the environment, not a lesson plan, becomes the curriculum. Expect nuanced ideas around child-led play, attentiveness without interference, and how a flexible structure enables meaningful progression without forcing it.⏱...2018-09-1423 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 8 - Observations and EndingsIn this gentle and reflective episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma sit under the dripping trees after a summer rain to share honest thoughts about the end of term. They discuss the quiet magic of observing children as they become increasingly self-sufficient, the emotional tension of goodbyes, and how children shape their own celebrations through ritual and play. You’ll hear reflections on multi-age group dynamics, the subtle power of repetition, and what it means to truly “meet children where they are” over a long period. With insights into the evolving relationships between children, parent...2018-07-2717 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 7 - Flora at Forest SchoolIn this rich, folklore-filled episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma take a joyful ramble through their favourite plants and trees used in Forest School. Grouped loosely into three themes—cooking, craft, and ethos—they explore not only the practical uses of flora like elder, nettles, wild garlic, and birch, but also the deep-rooted cultural, mythological, and emotional significance of each. Discover why Lewis feels disappointed if a site lacks oak trees, how Gemma links elder with both witches and wellness, and why nettles are a gateway for shifting children's perceptions of the natural world. They...2018-07-2025 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 6 - War PlayIn this bold and thoughtful episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma explore one of the most controversial topics in early years education: war play, fighting, and weapons in Forest School. From stick swords to imaginary AK-47s, they dive deep into why this kind of play emerges, how it can be supported ethically, and why banning it outright may actually hinder emotional development. Drawing on research, personal stories, and years of experience, they unpack the nuances of aggressive play versus real aggression, the impact of media and advertising on children’s imagination, and the im...2018-07-1326 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 5 - Physical GamesIn this energised and laughter-filled episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma dive deep into the world of structured games in Forest School settings. They explore how games like 123 Where Are You?, Hunters and Rabbits, and Mr Crocodile offer more than entertainment—they build community, provide scaffolding for social interaction, and even offer a pathway into mindfulness and emotional regulation. With examples from toddler groups to adult team days, the hosts reflect on how games help anchor new children, spark imaginative adaptation, and provide comfort during challenging moments. They also unpick the tension between leader-initiated st...2018-07-0824 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 4: Long Term BenefitsIn this deep-dive episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma unpack the real benefits of long-term Forest School sessions—beyond the standard “you see the seasons change.” They explore how long-term provision enables genuine, trust-based relationships with children, parents, and the land. From greater behavioural stability and reduced coercion to the freedom for both children and practitioners to follow their instincts, long-term sessions create space for meaningful play, reflection, and slow, sustainable development. They also discuss the impact on adult confidence, children's emotional security, and how consistent time in one space deepens connection and observation. The co...2018-06-2925 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 3 - Music at Forest SchoolIn this beautifully rich episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma explore the many ways that music weaves into their outdoor practice. They reflect on how music supports community connection, rhythm, emotional regulation, and transition, particularly in toddler sessions and multi-age groups. From spontaneous humming during woodland walks to planned songs that children shape through their own imaginative contributions, this episode highlights how music enhances presence and creates shared moments of magic. They explore the subtleties of sound as communication, how cultural norms affect confidence in singing and dancing, and how instruments—from handmade drums to...2018-06-2229 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 2 - Talking to ourselves in the past!In this reflective and candid episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma revisit the early days of their Forest School journey, asking: “What would we tell ourselves at the beginning?” From the stress of over-planning to the pressure of doing everything “right,” they explore the common mistakes and learning curves that new leaders face. They speak openly about trusting the environment, letting go of control, and building a practice rooted in authenticity rather than performance. Discussion turns to saying “no” in business, drawing clearer boundaries between Forest School and outdoor education, and finding personal style within the p...2018-06-0823 minThe Forest School PodcastEp 1 - Adults at Forest SchoolIn this thoughtful lunchtime episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma explore the role of parents and non-leader adults within Forest School sessions. Recorded live in the woods, the conversation covers how adult involvement shapes children's autonomy, the transition from structured toddler groups to free-flowing nature play, and the subtle power of adult modelling. They unpack how parents' presence, feedback, and willingness to engage (or step back) all influence the dynamic of child-led learning. There’s discussion around embarrassment in craft activities, fixed vs growth mindsets, and the emotional honesty of adult play. Later, they re...2018-05-2523 min