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Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 107: Persistence in Embracing GrowthHow do you honor the ways in which you’ve grown while having grace for your past self? Lindsy Wallace interviews Kayla Craig, the “Day One” of the Upside Down Podcast, along with fellow co-hosts Patricia Taylor and Alissa Molina for our final episode.In this episode, we:Hear from Kayla about how she sees God in a more vibrant, beautiful way since the podcast first startedReflect on how different conversations and guests have expanded her language and helped her shape her questionsDiscuss Kayla’s vocational discovery of deep spiritual writing that is acces...2022-06-0737 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 106: Persistence in Knowing Your Truest SelfWhat happens when you step into your truest self? Kayla Craig interviews fellow Upside Down Podcast host Patricia (aka Patty) Taylor with Alissa Molina and Lindsy Wallace in our second-to-the-last episode. In this episode, we:Hear Patty describe the growth she has experienced since becoming a co-host and how it’s deepened her confidence in who God created her to beTalk about how the podcast has provided a space to show up fully as yourself and what it’s like being with people who are not just willing but eager...2022-05-2451 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 105: Persistence in Love in SocietyHow does being in an ecumenical space expand and enrich our spiritual lives, within and beyond the walls of the church? Patricia Taylor, along with Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace, put Upside Down Podcast co-host Alissa Molina in the hot seat in the second of our final four episodes.In this episode, we:Hear from Alissa as she explains what the podcast has brought to her life and how it has helped her embrace Catholicism even moreReflect on how the podcast brought up questions of the heart that forced her to see...2022-05-1744 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 104: Persistence in the Gift of ExpanseWhat happens when our view of God becomes more expansive, and what does it reveal to us about ourselves and others? Lindsy Wallace is the first Upside Down Podcast host in the hot seat, as she’s interviewed by fellow co-hosts Alissa Molina, Patricia Taylor, and Kayla Craig. In this episode, we:Talk about Lindsy’s personal and spiritual growth over the duration of the podcast, including connecting with a more expansive view of GodReflect on finding the Divine at the end of ourselves, when so much has been stripped awayHear about Linds...2022-04-2633 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 103: Persisting Beyond the PodcastWe’ve got a special announcement to share. Co-hosts Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Patricia Taylor come together to bring you an important update about the future of the Upside Down Podcast. News, Notes, and Links:You can continue to support the Upside Down Podcast! Please visit us, where you can pledge a few dollars of monthly support to help keep this podcast accessible.Learn more at Upside Down Podcast.We’re on Instagram, too. You can find us individually at @patricia_a_taylor, @kayla_craig, @from_here_sessions, and @linds...2022-04-1203 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 102: Persistence in Hope with Andre HenryWhat does hope mean to you, and how do you practice it? Lindsy Wallace talks with award-winning musician, writer, and activist Andre Henry about sustaining hope, translating it into action, and how art can help dismantle empires. In this episode, we:Talk about his newly released book, All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep, and who he wrote it forGo over Andre’s practice of always reading something about hope to remind himself of what’s possibleAsk what the role of art is in the work of justiceTalk about how artists can pla...2022-03-2247 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 101: Persistence in Belonging with Cole Arthur RileyHow do we know when we are in a space of true belonging, where our whole person can be welcome, present, and safe? Co-hosts Patricia Taylor, Kayla Craig, and Lindsy Wallace talk with writer, liturgist, and speaker Cole Arthur Riley about freedom and belonging—the good and the bad kind.In this episode, we:Discuss how Black Liturgies came to be and why Cole chose to initially remain anonymousShare definitions of true belonging: spaces where we have the freedom to question, doubt, and change our minds without our status of belonging being at...2022-03-1548 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 100: Persistence in God's Upside Down Kingdom (A Celebration & Special Cameos to Celebrate 100 Episodes!)It’s our 100th episode! Co-hosts Kayla Craig, Alissa Molina, Patricia Taylor, and Lindsy Wallace celebrate this milestone by looking back on where they’ve been, what they’ve learned, and what they hope for this little podcast that could and the community that’s grown from it. In this episode, we:Hear from listeners, former guests, and past hosts about their Upside Down Podcast memories and reflections Talk about how the podcast came to be: to create a space for honest conversations about faith, justice, and cultureRemember how each of us got to a point wh...2022-02-221h 08
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 99: Persistence in Learning and Unlearning with Jonny CraigHow do you break up with American Christianity and meaningfully make space for those in deconstruction? Co-hosts Alissa Molina, Patricia Taylor, and Kayla Craig talk with Jonny Craig, Kayla’s husband, our podcast editor, and the host of The Digital Community—an online space for sharing questions, doubts, and wonderings about God and culture.In this episode, we:Dive into what deconstruction means for many and the experience of realizing that the world we learned about in church is different from the actual world we inhabitTalk about the creation of The Digital Community and how...2022-02-0954 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 98: Persistence in Grace with Kirsten PowersHave you ever considered just how paradigm-shifting grace is? Co-hosts Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace have a conversation with New York Times bestselling author, USA Today columnist, and CNN Senior Political Analyst Kirsten Powers about her new book, Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts. Together, they talk about what grace is—and what it isn’t—and what it can do.In this episode, we:Point out that practicing grace is far from passive or weak and that it’s more for ourselves than for...2022-01-2556 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 97: Persistence in Truth Telling with Jemar TisbyHow do we talk with young people about fighting racism when we’re struggling with it ourselves? Co-hosts Patricia Taylor, Lindsy Wallace, and Kayla Craig talk with Dr. Jemar Tisby—the founder of The Witness, Inc., cohost of the Pass the Mic podcast, and a New York Times bestselling author—about the need to normalize having conversations about racial justice with the young people in our lives.In this episode, we:Discuss how Dr. Tisby’s new book, How to Fight Racism Young Reader’s Edition: A Guide to Standing Up for Racial Justice, came about...2022-01-1149 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 96: Persistence in Advent with Kat ArmasHave you ever considered that Jesus is who he is because of a woman? Co-hosts Patricia Taylor and Kayla Craig talk with writer Kat Armas about this bigger, expansive, abuelita faith—one that persists, resists, and survives.In this episode, we:Discuss the influence of Kat’s Roman Catholic upbringing on having a tangible and embodied view of Mother MaryTalk about Julian of Norwich’s image of Jesus as mother as well as Jesus being raised by a mother and being mothered himselfMarvel at how marginalized women can contain the most sacred and most holyDe...2021-12-0747 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 95: Persisting Through Grief with J.S. ParkHow do we navigate grief ourselves and with others? Co-hosts Patricia Taylor and Alissa Molina have a conversation with J.S. Park, who is a teaching pastor, writer, and interfaith hospital chaplain about persisting through grief and the ministry of presence.In this episode, we:Discuss the vulnerability of sharing our grief, how it can open us to being wounded or experiencing healingDefine the role of a chaplain and the experience of vicarious griefTalk about how those in crisis can question whether or not they are allowed to grieve and where that shame of...2021-11-2357 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 94: Persisting in BoundariesHow do you live an open-handed life while protecting your peace? Co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Kayla Craig explore the topic of boundaries: what they mean and why they’re crucial in our lives, relationships, and the spaces we exist in. In this episode, we:Define what boundaries are and how they can be designed for the mutual health and flourishing of ourselves and others around usConsider how boundaries can show up in our lives to help us to rest, safety, and receiving what we needGet honest about struggling with the guilt of set...2021-11-0949 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 93: Persistence in Disability with Dr. Amy KennyWhat’s missing when we fail to see the fullness of humanity in the disabled community? In this episode, co-hosts Lindsy Wallace and Kayla Craig talk with Dr. Amy Kenny about persisting in disability, healing versus fixing, and much more.In this episode, we:Reframe the concept of disability away from a hierarchy and instead look to how we think of the natural worldTalk about how being an image bearer is not stripped away when our bodies work in a different wayGo over what ableism is, how we engage in it without even realizing it, and ho...2021-10-2648 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 92: Persisting in Curiosity with Shannon EvansWhat is our first inclination when we hear or see something that stretches the way we see things? Do we reach for fear? Do we shut down? Or do we remain curious, asking ourselves questions about our thinking? In this episode, Alissa Molina and Lindsy Wallace interview former co-host Shannon Evans about her recent book release, Rewilding Motherhood: Your Path to an Empowered Feminine Spirituality.In this episode we:Talk with Shannon about her approach in writing this book Discuss the ways the book stretched Alissa and pushed her to practice a curiosityExplore how cur...2021-10-1347 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 91: Persistence in PrayerWhat comes to mind when you think of prayer? In this episode, Patricia Taylor, Alissa Molina, and Lindsy Wallace interview co-host Kayla Craig about her upcoming book, To Light Their Way: A Collection of Prayers & Liturgies for Parents, and expanding our idea of prayer. In this episode, we:Ask Kayla where her belief that prayer is real and powerful comes from, especially in light of how much prayer gets casually thrown aroundConsider how everything in our lives can be prayerRecount how a difficult experience led Kayla to examine what prayer meant to her and t...2021-09-2846 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 6 | Episode 90: Nevertheless, We PersistedWhat does it mean to persist these days, and what do we desire to persist toward? Co-hosts Lindy Wallace, Kayla Craig, Alissa Molina, and Patricia Taylor kick off our sixth season with a conversation about the long game of persistence and why we’re still here.In this episode, we:Talk about why we’re still showing up on this “little podcast that could” Dig into the meaning of persistence: how it’s both opposing something and imagining how it could be betterDiscuss how the definition of persisting has been twisted and weaponized in toxic ways...2021-09-1450 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 89: The Necessity of RestWhat brings you rest? Is it something that’s easy for you to embrace, or do you find yourself struggling with it? Co-hosts Kayla Craig, Alissa Molina, and Patricia Taylor talk about the need for rest—to nourish ourselves and to love one another—in our final episode of the season. In this episode, we:Discuss how rest can be a struggle when it is often considered selfish or something to be earned instead of an innate needAcknowledge that rest is an act of resistance against grind culture and even the Western church’s culture o...2021-05-2552 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 88: The Necessity of ConnectionHow do you begin to reconnect with your community after over a year of wading through the collective heaviness of a global pandemic? Co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Kayla Craig gather to connect and reflect on where we are and where we’ve been. In this episode, we:Acknowledge the importance and exhaustion of connecting and how we have to relearn how to connect with no road map for these timesCheck in with each other: how are we really doing after over a year of living through the pandemic (on top of the pan...2021-05-1153 min
And The Church Said...Midweek Service: Choosing to Grieve with Lindsy WallaceWriter and podcast host - Lindsy Wallace - joins the podcast today. Lindsy is a prolific writer whose words penetrate and proclaim her fierce belief in solidarity and Jesus. Lindsy’s life also reflects her belief in solidarity. Lindsy discusses not only the need to grieve, but her choice to grieve. She shares her insights about grieving well. She warns if we do not heal and grieve the magnitude of losses, mostly due to our societal woes, hurt people will continue to hurt people. Lindsy gives practical information about why we should choose to g...2021-04-2946 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 86: The Necessity of (Kingdom) EconomicsIs there truly enough for everyone, and do we really believe there is abundance? Hosts Alissa Molina, Patricia Taylor, Kayla Craig, and Lindsy Wallace discuss what it means to live out of a posture of abundance in a world that has conditioned us to believe in scarcity. In this episode, we:Talk about how we seem to embrace the concept of spiritual abundance yet struggle with the idea of abundance of what we have in this world Discuss how the mindset of scarcity is incompatible with what we profess to believe and ho...2021-04-1352 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 85: The Necessity of Liberation with Danté StewartWhat does a liberated faith look like? Writer and speaker Danté Stewart talks with co-hosts Patricia Taylor and Lindsy Wallace about the meaning of liberation and how it impacts how we view God, ourselves, and the world.In this episode, we:Reflect on the complex, beautiful, and terrible journey of liberation, the changes we make along the way, and how we look at the world within ourselves and the world around usDiscuss the influence of writer and activist James Baldwin and the invitation from Baldwin to wrestle deeply and truthfullyTalk about the influence of B...2021-03-2350 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 82: The Necessity of DreamingWhy is dreaming so significant, and how do you dream freely? Inspired by National Youth Poet Laureate Amanda Gorman’s beautiful inauguration poem, co-hosts Patricia Taylor, Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, and Alissa Molina discuss the necessity of dreaming and having prophetic imagination.In this episode, we:Talk about the boundlessness of dreaming and how it gives us vision for possibilities Ask how creativity relates to dreamingConsider our roles as co-creators with a creator GodAsk how we come to lose our imagination and wonder wha...2021-02-0947 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 81: The Necessity of Reclaiming Theology with Brandi MillerWhat does it mean to "reclaim theology?" And why might that be necessary? Lindsy Wallace hosts this episode with co-host Patricia Taylor, and guest Brandi Miller joins to talk about why it's important for Christians to take theology back from ideas and systems that oppress.Brandi Miller is the host of the Reclaiming My Theology podcast and community that explores how the attributes of oppressive ideologies have infiltrated how we see ourselves, each other, and God. Brandi has spent the better part of the last decade as a writer and campus minister. She largely spends h...2021-01-2647 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 80: The Necessity of Hope: Fighting Despair & Stubbornly Clinging to Hope in 2021In this first episode of 2021, we continue with our focus on the necessities. As we begin this new year, it seems one of the most hard fought necessities we are grasping for is that of Hope. Alissa hosts the episode, with Kayla, Lindsy and Patty joining for a conversation on what it means to fight through despair and work for a discipline of hope.In this episode, we:Define what the word hope means to usTalk about the stubborn nature of hopeFlesh out Hebrews 11:1Consider what hope as action looks likeThink about how our...2021-01-1252 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Bonus Episode: The Necessity of Grieving 2020Surprise! Bonus episode!In this bonus episode of Upside Down Podcast co-host Lindsy Wallace shares why grieving 2020 is necessary, what happens in our bodies when we don't grieve, ideas for how to do so in creative and embodied ways, and challenges us with the question, What is the meaning we will make of 2020?News, Notes, and Links:Support more conversations like this on Upside Down Podcast! Please visit us, where you can pledge a few dollars of monthly support to help us pay our bills and keep the conversations going.Learn more...2020-12-2814 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 78: The Necessity of Advent: Can The Weary World Still Rejoice?In this episode on the Necessity of Advent, Alissa Molina hosts and is joined by Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace and Patty Taylor to discuss Advent as the season quickly approaches. They bring tired and weary hearts, minds, and bodies to flesh out: Awe as it relates to the Word becoming Flesh The reminder that God is near us even if sometimes he feels far The reminder of the tenderness of God that is near the broken The vulnerability of God becoming human The danger in commodifying Jesus Thinking about how we can be intentional in our preparation for the bi...2020-11-2456 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 77: The Necessity of Witness with Drew. G.I. HartWhat does it mean for the church to be a witness? What do our 21st-century sensibilities miss about Jesus’ 1st-century sociopolitical relevance? In this episode of Upside Down Podcast, Lindsy Wallace and Patricia Taylor process a conversation with author and professor Drew G.I. Hart about the revolutionary life of Jesus and the ways in which we can usher in his peace for our world.In this episode, we:Consider what it looks like to follow after the way of Jesus in 2020 Lean into the local church as community in the building and in the...2020-11-101h 05
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 76: The Necessity of Community: Searching for Your People & Place in 2020What is the importance of community? Patricia Taylor hosts and is joined by Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace and Alissa Molina for this episode of examining what community is today. Pull up a seat at our table in the wilderness as we ask each other how community in the time of Jesus can influence an upside-down life today.In this episode, we:Assess the impact of the pandemic on local and virtual communitiesWeigh our desire for community against our dream of it Look at how intimate community should be when it’s toxicWonder if it’s pos...2020-10-2752 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 5 | Episode 73: The Necessity of Life: What does it mean to be for life in 2020?What does it mean to be for life in 2020? Join us for Season 5 with the hosts you know, founders Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace, veteran Alissa Molina, and our newest voice, Patricia Taylor to kick off a season of exploring what is needed in spirituality, justice, culture, and community.In this episode, we:Evaluate ‘pro-life’ as Jesus intended for abundant life in 2020Grieve what happens to the message and witness of Jesus when professing followers of God are unwilling to lay down life and libertiesSeek to follow Jesus in working for a “more and better...2020-09-0854 min
Upside Down PodcastSeason 4 | Episode 72 - We’re Not Going Back to Normal: Who Will We Be When This is Over?This global pandemic has only magnified the fractures in our systems -- and even in our own hearts. In our final episode of season four, we’re asking this question: How do we not go back to the way things were before COVID-19? In our country, in our world, in our neighborhoods, in our families...in our own hearts? We don’t want to go back to normal. How can we pursue God’s Upside Down Kingdom...even now? Especially now? In this episode, we:Sh...2020-05-261h 02
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 71: Native with Kaitlin CurticeKaitlin Curtice joins Lindsy and Kayla with a conversation that is both a gentle challenge and a balm of encouragement. Kaitlin is a citizen of the Potawatomi Nation, a Christian, and a poet who speaks on faith and justice within the church as it relates to Indigenous peoples. Her newest book, Native: Identity, Belonging, and Rediscovering God came out just last week. In this episode, we:Ask how justice feels, even when it’s not labeled ChristianHold up the communion table as a political spaceUnpack how to listen to voices who have been silenced Lean...2020-05-1237 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 69 - Maternal Justice with Cessilye SmithIt’s Black Maternal Health Week in America. Join host Alissa Molina and co-host Lindsy Wallace as we no longer only follow along with the work of Cessilye Smith, but have the opportunity to sit and learn from her. Her work in the areas of maternal health and justice are powerful. As she works to help drop the staggering numbers of black women who die in childbirth, we invite her in to teach us.Cessilye is a racial and maternal justice activist committed to tearing down walls of oppression and division in order to build bridges that le...2020-04-141h 04
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 67 - Turning Modesty Inside Out: Unpacking What it Means to be ModestWhat does it mean to be modest? Are modesty and purity the same thing? In this episode, Alissa, Gina, Kayla, and Lindsy candidly discuss the topic of modesty in our culture through the lens of God’s upside-down kingdom. Bringing varying backgrounds and faith experiences to the table, we ponder aloud what to make of the call by many Christians to "be modest."In this episode, we:Jump into the typical Christian definition of modestyAsk how this compares with the modesty question of the BibleCompare objectification with modesty Explore the power structures behind modesty sta...2020-03-1051 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 66 - Fullness of Our Humanity with Sister Didi: Increasing Capacity for CareWe’re exploring the fullness of our humanity: the good, the bad, and how to hold space for each other. In this episode, we welcome guest Sister Didi Madden, a Dominican Sister of Blauvelt, NY. Sister Didi is a psychotherapist, a farmer, and the justice promoter for a collaboration of Dominican congregations in NY and NJ. She currently works on Harmony Farm in Goshen, NY.In this episode, we:Begin to unpack the both/and of humanityAsk what is the need that people are living out of...2020-02-2541 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 65 - Anger ManagementIs anger all bad? What’s the difference between healthy, constructive anger and unhealthy, destructive anger? In this episode, Kayla Craig leads a vulnerable discussion about anger, emotions, and faith with Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Gina Ciliberto.Have you ever wondered: Is God an angry God? Should Christians get angry? Should women get angry? Could we use our anger to change the world?In this episode, we:Unpack what we were taught about anger growing up in the church, by our families of origin, and from society.Explore how “angry” has been w...2020-02-1150 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 64 - Embodied SolidarityJoin us as we welcome Dr. Larycia Hawkins, who talks about her experience when, in 2015, she declared her intention to don a hijab in embodied solidarity with Muslim sisters throughout Advent and what transpired afterward. Host Lindsy Wallace and co-host Gina Ciliberto join in the conversation.Dr. Hawkins is a scholar, political science professor, and activist teaching and researching at the nexus of politics, race, ethnicity, and religion and has been called a modern-day Rosa Parks by Rev. Jesse Jackson. In this episode, we:Dive into how Larycia decided to embody solidaritySoak i...2020-01-2853 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 63 - It's ComplicatedIt’s Complicated. The more we learn about the suffering of the world, the more difficult it can become to live in it. Join host Lindsy Wallace along with co-hosts Kayla Craig, Alissa Molina, and Gina Ciliberto, to unpack living as engaged, thoughtful, neighbor-loving humans in a world where every choice has unintended, and possibly unknown, consequences. In this episode, we:Share examples of complication in our livesUnpack where we go from learning of the complications that surround usGet technical discussing cognitive dissonanceDiscuss how we protect against overwhelm tha...2020-01-1446 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 62 - The Gender & Ethnicity of God with Dr. Christena ClevelandDr. Christena Cleveland leads Kayla and Lindsy in a conversation exploring how cultural perceptions of race and gender impact the way we view God.In this episode, we:Learn how Christena's background influenced how she views ethnicity and feminityQuestion how Christians arrived at a male perception of GodUnpack what heals inside of us when we imagine God as MotherExplore the intersectionality of race and genderAddress the language of empire and the work to remove feminine language in scriptureDive...2019-12-1750 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 60 - Let's Get Ecumenical! Catholic & Protestant Thought in God's Kingdom (New Audio!)What can Catholics and Protestants learn from each other's traditions? Can we work together in God’s upside-down kingdom? And when can—or should—we set aside the subtle (or not-so-subtle) differences in thought, doctrine, and practice of our own Christian belief systems to work toward a common good?Alissa Molina hosts an intimate and honest ecumenical conversation with co-hosts Kayla Craig, Gina Ciliberto, and Lindsy Wallace. We’re thinking outside the box when it comes to our unofficial theme of this season: Get Your People and applying it to a discussion on ecumenism, hoping to model empathet...2019-11-121h 00
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 58 - Good Grief: Leaning into the Now and Not YetSeason 4 | Episode 58 - Good GriefGrief is the deep sorrow, anguish, and pain we feel after a loss or a death of a loved one. We all know it when it comes to us, in our hearts and in our bones. But, once we’re faced with that heaviness, what do we do with grief? How do we move forward with it or lean into it?Host Gina Ciliberto and co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Kayla Craig, and Alissa Molina talk about grief as it relates to the Up...2019-10-081h 03
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 57 - The Enneagram for Justice SeekersWe’re familiar with or at least heard of the Enneagram, but how can it help us usher in a more livable world for the most marginalized among us? What does this age-old tool of self-discovery have to say to us today, in our deeply polarized often tragic times? In this episode, Lindsy and Kayla talk with Jesse Eubanks and Sam Stevenson of the EnneaCast to find out.In this episode, we:Explore the natural strengths of each type in seeking justice Address the disciplines each type can engage in...2019-09-2458 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 56 - Performative Wokeness (and Introducing Season 4!)What's performative wokeness? How does our faith influence the destructive performativity of Internet activism? In this episode, join host Kayla, with co-hosts Lindsy, Alissa, and Gina, in this first discussion of Season 4 - "Get Your People."In this episode, we:Laugh as we catch up with co-hosts after our summer hiatusExplore the definition of wokeness through our own experiencesSee the costs of awakening as the costs of the gospel, and the grace of the gospel as the grace of awakeningRecognize why platform-building...2019-09-1054 min
Dismantle Podcast89. "Bad News Before Good News" with Lindsy WallacePodcast host Lindsy Wallace discusses the connection between proximity and solidarity. The differences may surprise you, but the need will leave you questioning how we, as the Church, do this.
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Girls Talking Life#20 Lindsy Wallace [Downward Mobility] Lindsy Wallace followed Jesus to the margins and discovered more beauty and hope than she ever imagined. Alongside her husband, she is raising five kids who joined their family via birth, foster care adoption, and international adoption. She is passionate about downward mobility, ushering in a more livable planet, and good tattoos. She is the co-founder of the Upside Down Podcast, an ecumenical conversation about faith, justice, and the upside-down kingdom of Jesus. Today on the show Lindsy and I are focusing on downward mobility and how it has shaped her story. If you...2019-06-2448 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 54: Hope as Resistance: Stuff That Needs to Be Said with John PavlovitzHope is still possible, even when the pain of the world feels like too much. What if kindness, empathy, and compassion are the way forward? Join host Kayla Craig and co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Gina Ciliberto with special guest John Pavlovitz. John is a writer, pastor, and activist. In the past five years, John's blog Stuff That Needs To Be Said has reached a diverse worldwide audience of millions of people. In 2017 he released his first book, A Bigger Table. His second book, Hope and Other Superpowers, arrived in November of 2018.2019-05-1445 min
A Year of ListeningEpisode 57: The Reality of the American Dream and Upward Mobility with Lindsy Wallace This week we are talking about the American Dream. What is the American Dream? Is it accessible to everyone? My guest is Lindsy Wallace, a wife and mother who has followed Jesus to the margins of society. We talk about the concept of the American Dream as well as downward and upward mobility, the ways in which our systems are designed with some inherent injustice, and what is necessary to begin to affect that. Follow Lindsy on Instagram. Check out her podcast and follow it on Facebook and Instagram. Year of...2019-04-2555 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 53 - Hashtag Called: Exploring Calling and VocationYou can’t fully explain it. But we’ve all experienced the phenomenon: Inner tugs that just won’t let us go. What are callings? How do we define vocation? Inspired by one of our first and most-popular episodes, "Hashtag Blessed," comes "Hashtag Called." Gina Ciliberto hosts a conversation on what it means to be “called” with co-hosts Alissa Molina, Kayla Craig, and Lindsy Wallace.In this episode, we:Unpack what “calling” means (and doesn’t mean) to our hostsAsk about when vocations/callings are not so much about happily communing with God and understanding pe...2019-04-2346 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 52 - Livin' on a Prayer: A Creative Take on What it Means to PrayWhat is prayer? Why does it matter? Is there a right way to pray? Join Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, and Alissa Molina as they enter into an engaging, unexpected, fast-paced conversation with Justin McRoberts and Scott Erickson; the authors of Prayer: Forty Days of Practice. We talk about praying when you don’t want to pray or don’t know how, being angry at God, creation as a form of prayer, and why prayer is an important part of God’s upside-down Kingdom.Justin McRoberts is an author and musician who hosts the @Sea Podcast and lives with h...2019-04-091h 09
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 51 - The "F" Word: Unpacking Feminism and Other LabelsIn this episode, Lindsy Wallace is joined by guest co-host and friend of the podcast Diana Oestreich in a conversation with Claire Swinarski of The Catholic Feminist Podcast to discuss the “F” word, as well as labeling ourselves and others.In this episode, we:Learn The Catholic Feminist Podcast origin story;Unpack the definition of “feminist”; Discuss the impacts of the feminist label in our current cultural climate;Learn how we love one another even when we label our...2019-03-2557 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 50 - Begin Again: Examining Our Stories & Introducing New Co-Hosts!What happens when your plans get turned upside down? What happens when you have to begin again? This two-part episode starts on a personal note and ends with exciting introductions of TWO new co-hosts! First, Upside Down Podcast founders Kayla and Lindsy share the unexpected events that happened between Jan. 6 and Feb. 6 in both of their families, sharing with vulnerability and heart as they process their grief along with their hopes, reflecting on endings and beginnings. Then, they look ahead to the future of Upside Down Podcast, introducing new co-hosts for the coming season, Alissa Molina and...2019-03-111h 00
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 49 - Ethical Storytelling with Dr. Melissa Borja + Jacob Mau: Seeing Beyond OurselvesWhat is ethical storytelling? Why is it important to allow others to tell their own stories? In this thought-provoking episode, we're back from our hiatus to do a deep dive into what to consider when sharing the stories of others in a way that honors their dignity. Kayla Craig hosts with Lindsy Wallace and guests Dr. Melissa Borja and refugee advocate podcaster Jacob Mau.Melissa Borja, a core faculty member in the Asian/Pacific Islander American Studies Program at the University of Michigan, earned a PhD and MPhil in history from Columbia University...2019-02-181h 03
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 48 - Representation Matters: Diversity in Healing with Ryan Tolbert of Tru-Colour BandagesWhat does "representation matters" mean? Ryan Tolbert of Tru-Colour Bandages joins Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to discuss what representation is, why it matters, their own representation experiences, and how they believe a kinder, more inclusive planet is in our future.In this episode, we:Learn the Tru-Colour Bandages origin story;Unpack what it means to say “representation matters”;Share our own personal representation experiences;Learn about the relationship between representation and diversity;Discuss how we can increase the diversity in our lives.Join us as we explore how representation and diversity benefit all...2018-12-1146 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 47 - Consumerism and God's Kingdom (Featuring Special Guests Shannan Martin and Ashley Hales!)Consumption! Capitalism! Consumerism! Christmas! We’re hitting pause and engaging the heart of consumption, capitalism, consumerism and most importantly, the heart of Christmas. What does it mean to celebrate the birth of Jesus, a poor kid from Nazareth who learned his father’s trade and had nowhere to lay his head? Ashley Hales and Shannan Martin join us as we ask: How do we opt out of the glitz and glitter around us to make space in our homes for the baby Messiah born in a manger?Shannan Martin, author of “The Ministry of Ordinary Places,” is a speake...2018-11-271h 11
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 45 - Love Crosses Borders: Immigration Beyond the Headlines with Sarah QuezadaImmigration has become a polarizing and politicized topic in our country and our world. Demeaning phrases and overwhelming statistics are thrown around with frightening ease and often it seems we have forgotten that we are talking about people. We’ve invited today’s guest, Sarah Quezada, to remind us of the humanness of immigration. Sarah is a writer and nonprofit professional in Atlanta, Georgia, with more than a decade of experience working across cultures and leading conversations about justice, faith, and serving among the poor. Sarah joins Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace for a con...2018-10-2253 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 44 - Faith Under Construction: Recorded Live from the Upside Down Gathering in Chicago!We're excited to share our first episode ever recorded with a live audience, recorded at the Upside Down Gathering on Sept. 21. In this conversation, we dive into the tension between faith deconstruction and reconstruction, guided by professional counselor and friend of the podcast Aundi Kolber. Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, and Shannon Evans open up about their own faith journeys in this special episode.In this episode, we tackle the questions:What was your faith upbringing like? What have pivotal points been in your journey?What...2018-10-0859 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 43 - A Spiritual View of Vulnerability with Pastor Mandy SmithWe talk vulnerability with Mandy Smith, lead pastor of University Christian Church, a campus and neighborhood congregation with its own fair-trade café in Cincinnati.
Mandy is a regular contributor to Christianity Today and Missio Alliance and the author of “The Vulnerable Pastor: How Human Limitations Empower Our Ministry.” She also is the director of Missio Alliance’s SheLeads Summit: ChurchTogether and creator of The Collect, a citywide trash-to-art project. Mandy joins hosts Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to examine a spiritual view of vulnerability, finding hope within the prophetic imagination.
In this episode, we:
- Lea...2018-09-2445 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 42 - Preemptive Love with Jessica Courtney: Love Anyway, Show Up, and Get Out of the WayWe kick off season three with an extra special conversation with one of our friends at Preemptive Love Coalition! Jessica Courtney, co-founder and Vice President of International Programs for Preemptive Love Coalition, joins Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to discuss unmaking violence and pursuing a more beautiful world. With heart and humility, Jessica shares her personal stories of what it’s like to learn from her Iraqi neighbors.In this episode, we:Learn about PLC’s history and how the organization has evolved;Hear why Jessica and her family decided to move...2018-09-1046 min
Upside Down PodcastBonus Episode: Community, Art, Justice: A Special Message About The Upside Down GatheringWe're gathering in Chicago this fall at the first-ever Upside Down Gathering. Today (June 22) is the last day to purchase your early bird tickets, so Kayla and Lindsy have a quick chat introducing the speaker lineup for the two-day event at Wilson Abbey in Chicago.Hear a preview of Micah Bournes' music, find out which Upside Down Podcast guests will be returning to speak live, and get a sneak peek into the topics and themes we'll cover during this event. Learn more and purchase your tickets at www.upsidedownpodcast.com/gathering.Support the show2018-06-2119 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 41 - Intentional Community (And an Upside Down Gathering in September!)In our last regular episode before summer break, we gather to talk about community: not the hashtag or the social media version, but the essence of community as a sense of place and belonging. Host Kayla Craig is joined by Lindsy Wallace, Shannon Evans, and special guest, Rebekah Troche, who lives at Jesus People USA, a church and intentional community in Chicago.In this episode, we:Learn about JPUSA’s mission and ministry and why Rebekah was drawn to it;Share our vision for this fall’s Upside Down Gathering;Talk about how vulnerability and trus...2018-05-2144 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 40 - Making Peace With Our BodiesIn this episode, we gather to discuss the relationship between women and our bodies. Host Shannon Evans is joined by Lindsy Wallace, Kayla Craig, and special guest, author Colleen Mitchell. Colleen is the author of “When We Were Eve: Uncovering the Woman God Created You to Be.” Together we analyze the effects of both hypersexualization and excessive modesty and wrestle with questions of how to retain the holiness of our physicality in a world bent on making it a source of shame. We discuss how our view of the incarnation affects our view of bodies and how our view of the...2018-05-0854 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 39 - Rethinking Incarceration with Dominique GilliardWe're grateful to have Dominique Gilliard, author of “Rethinking Incarceration: Advocating for Justice That Restores,” join us on the podcast. In addition to being an author and an ordained minister, Dominique is the director of racial righteousness and reconciliation for the Love Mercy Do Justice (LMDJ) initiative of the Evangelical Covenant Church (ECC). Lindsy Wallace leads the conversation.In this episode, we:Define mass incarceration and discuss its foundation and history in America;Talk about how mass incarceration plays out in our communities and in society;Share how the Gospel should inform our response; andProvide actions that all of us can...2018-04-241h 00
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 38 - Parenting: Raising Upside Down KidsWhat does it look like to raise upside down kids and be intentional parents in God's Kindom? Are the Beatitudes just for people who aren’t too busy? Was Jesus addressing only non-parents? How can social ministry and family ministry enrich each other In this episode, we talk about how we can preach the Gospel within and through our own families, and how we can include our children in our actions for justice. Kayla Craig leads the conversation with co-hosts Shannon Evans and Lindsy Wallace.In this episode, we:Talk about how we can focus on our parenting goals for ou...2018-04-0956 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 37 - The Enneagram: Unscripted Conversations on Spirituality, Culture, and God's Upside Down KingdomIn this episode, we talk all things Enneagram, an ancient tool that has grown in popularity in Christian spheres in recent years. Most people think of the Enneagram as a personality typing system, but may not be familiar with it or how it can influence us in the upside down kingdom. Lindsy Wallace leads the conversation with co-hosts Shannon Evans and Kayla Craig, along with our guest, Jesse Eubanks. Jesse is the Founder and Executive Director of Love Thy Neighborhood, an urban missions agency providing young adults with social justice internships and Christian community. He also is the host of...2018-03-262h 03Upside Down PodcastEpisode 36 - Mental Health + The Conversations We Need to Have, Feat. Guest Host and Counselor Aundi KolberProfessional counselor Aundi Kolber joins for an open and honest conversation about mental health, and the sometimes precarious relationship between mental health and the Christian community.
Kayla Craig leads the conversation with co-hosts Shannon Evans and Lindsy Wallace. Aundi Kolber (@aundikolber) is a professional counselor in Colorado, who specializes in trauma, depression, and anxiety. Together we reflect on the impact that mental health challenges have on a person of faith and their loved ones, expose stigmas and cliches, and seek to identify where the Church is failing to support this need and how she could do better.
In this episode...2018-03-1350 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 35 - Adoption 2.0: Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithWhat's it like to “do life” as an adoptive family? Kayla Craig leads the conversation with co-hosts Shannon Evans and Lindsy Wallace. Between us, we have 13 kids, six of whom were adopted. We’ve done foster care, international adoption, and domestic infant adoption. We’re not experts, but we are experienced and we’re excited to share what we’ve learned with our listeners. If you’re not an adoptive family, we encourage you to listen so you’re better equipped to love and support the adoptive families around you!In this episode, we:Talk about the emotio...2018-02-271h 01Upside Down PodcastEpisode 34 - Kingdom Women with Jo Saxton and Pastor Steph: Unscripted Conversations on Life and Faith Jo Saxton and Steph Williams O'Brien join us in this episode to discuss what it's like to be a woman in God's Kingdom in 2018. What did God have in mind when He created women? What are the possible negative consequences when women are left out of the conversation?
Kayla Craig leads a discussion with co-hosts Shannon Evans and Lynsy Wallace. Guest hosts Jo Saxton and Steph Williams O’Brien are co-hosts of the popular podcast, Lead Stories (@leadstoriespodcast)!
In this episode, we:
• learn about the true definition of (and Biblical roots of) ezer;
• talk a...2018-02-1252 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 33 - It's OK to Grow Old: Are We Afraid to Talk About Aging? - Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithDo we avoid talking about age? Why? Kayla Craig leads the discussion with co-host Lindsy Wallace and guest host Corinne Shark joins us from SE Asia. We talk about it all in this episode: Aging, glorification of youth, unexpected illness in our own lives, fear of aging and death (yeah, we go there), multi-generational relationships, the spiritual wisdom that comes with aging, and milestone birthdays (Kayla just turned 30 and Corinne just turned 40!). Join us as we model messy, honest conversations about aging from a Kingdom perspective.
Further Reading:
Book: “The Art of Growing Old” by Carroll Saussy
Book: "Falling Upward: A Spirituality for the Two Halves...2018-01-2349 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 32 - Ethical Fashion: Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithWhat is ethical fashion? Everything we wear comes at a cost - often at the expense of artisans abroad who are exploited for cheap labor. Guest co-host Lauren Pinkston of Wearthy joins us at the virtual table, providing first-hand insight and practical tips on how to make intentional, Kingdom-centered choices in the items we purchase. How do we stop sacrificing the dignity of people who made our clothes around the world in poor factory conditions and for poor pay? Lauren leads the way for co-hosts Lindsy Wallace and Kayla Craig to ask hard questions about the effect on human rights...2018-01-0951 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 31 - Ask Us Anything: Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithYou asked; we answered in this episode of Upside Down. Lindsy Wallace hosts a fun "Ask Us Anything" version of the podcast with Kayla Craig and Shannon Evans. We answer listener questions from serious to silly and everything in between. We discuss what it means to be a Christian in a world where Christianity sometimes doesn't have a great witness, answer questions on transracial adoption, and dive into dating and marriage. We also give our "eleventh commandments."Support the show2017-12-1949 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 30 - All The Small Things: Smallness in God's Kingdom - Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithDoes big equal better in God's upside-down Kingdom? Join us as we dive into what God says about all the small things in this episode of Upside Down Podcast. Where does grace factor in as we determine our worth and our actions in God's Kingdom? We dive into inspiration from Henri Nouwen and Mother Theresa (and touch on quotes Christian culture tends to appropriate). We discuss the ever-so-dicy topic of Christian platforms, and land on God breaking into our earth as a baby born to a poor girl among animals and hay, asking what this teaches us about smallness in...2017-12-0545 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 29 - God & Money: Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithWhat does God say about finances? What power does money hold in God's upside down kingdom? Is there really enough to go around in God's economy? In this episode of Upside Down Podcast, we unpack ideas of faith, church, and western culture as it relates to money. Is there guilt and shame surrounding Christians when they think about money? Or are Christians too lackadaisical when it comes to wealth? What does Jesus think of the American Dream? We discuss it all: Idols, missions, simplicity, storage units, scarcity mentality, and going on vacation in this episode hosted by Lindsy Wallace, Shannon...2017-11-2145 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 28 - Nationalism: Is it an Idol? Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithDo we put country before God's kingdom? What happens when we conflate being patriotic with being a Christian? Does the flag come before the cross? Join us as we wade into murky waters of nationalism and idolatry with special guest host, and Iraq war veteran Diana Oestreich. We discuss patriotism vs. nationalism, one veteran's perspective of the NFL kneeling during the national anthem, rituals of the pledge of allegiance, and more. Kayla Craig hosts with Lindsy Wallace and Shannon Evans.Support the show2017-11-0646 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 27 - Peacemaking: Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithJesus said, "blessed are the peacemakers", but what does it look like to actually live as one? Lindsy, Kayla, and Shannon are joined by guest co-host and professional peacemaker Diana Oestreich of Preemptive Love Coalition in this bold episode. We discuss Diana's life-changing story, how peacemaking differs from peacekeeping, and small ways that we can all work to be peacemakers in our own lives.Support the show2017-10-1754 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 26 - Commitment to Celebration: Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithThe world is broken. People are hurting. But even - maybe especially - when life is at its most difficult, could the practice and discipline of celebration be what orients our hearts to the Kingdom of God? What does it look like to persevere and celebrate even amid heartache and suffering? Does celebration in God's kingdom look different than partyin' it up with your friends for a treat yo' self day? Is the Church doing it right? Lindsy Wallace, Shannon Evans and Kayla Craig are joined by guest co-host D.L. Mayfield for a rich conversation diving into what celebration...2017-10-0351 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 25 - Spiritual Seasons and Transitions: Unscripted Conversations on Life and FaithWhat are spiritual seasons? How do we process transition? What does change look like in God's Kingdom? We dive into what it looks like when expectations are dashed, hope is found, and life takes unexpected twists and turns. We dive into practical ways to stay rooted in unsure times, Lindsy shares how she found herself living life in the slow lane, and we pepper in some laughter and feature a random Lion King reference, because that's how we do. We also discuss some big changes and transitions for Upside Down Podcast, too, and give a hint of what's to come...2017-09-1253 minUpside Down PodcastEpisode 24: Gentrification: Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithGentrification: It's a topic often misunderstood, and maybe even a bit controversial. We speak with Leroy Barber, one of the few experts on gentrification. Leroy has dedicated nearly thirty years to eradicating poverty, confronting homelessness, restoring local neighborhoods, healing racism, and living what Dr. King called “the beloved community.” He is currently writing his fifth book entitled, The Injustice of Gentrification: Memories of Home, which is the topic of his conversation with Lindsy Wallace. Kayla Craig and Kristi James join Lindsy for a post-interview conversation as well.Support the show2017-08-151h 05
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 23 - Downward Mobility: What Is It? Is It Different from Minimalism & Simplicity? Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithWhat is downward mobility and how is it different from simplicity and minimalism? What is the appeal to living a life with less and is it sufficient for the Christian? In this episode we discuss what it looks like to shed our privilege and also use it for the good of our neighbors and the Upside Down Kingdom. Shannon Evans hosts the conversation with Lori Harris and Lindsy Wallace.Support the show2017-07-1146 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 22 - Social Media in an Upside Down WorldMost of us have a love/hate relationship to social media. We recorded this episode live at our Upside Down Podcast retreat, and in this conversational episode hosted by Kristi James with co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Shannon Evans, and Kayla Craig, we discuss how we try to navigate the tricky Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter waters. We unpack that whole "behind-the-scenes vs. highlight reel" thing, discuss using social media as a numbing tool, dive into our desire for affirmation (or even, to be "right"), and share how we've navigated justice or political issues on Facebook, too. It's a light episode with what...2017-06-1349 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 21 - Do We Need Church? Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithThe church is weird and disappointing. And we love it anyway. Why? Join us for a conversation that almost feels like a family meeting. We acknowledge the shortcomings of the local church, but talk about the importance, too. In some Upside Down Podcast episodes, we’ve shared our (valid) frustrations with the church, the church in America, places where the church isn’t doing enough, etc. and we want to take an episode to lay a foundation of our relationships with the Church at large and the local church, too. We discuss church hurt, Catholicism, community, church consumerism, and more. Kris...2017-05-2344 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 20 - Mom So Hard: Mother's Day Thoughts: Unscripted Conversations on Life & FaithThis one goes out to all the moms! (And all the waiting moms, all the foster moms, all the mom-figures, all the women who bring life to their communities, and all the people who have ever loved a mom!) Pull up a chair and join us for some laughs and maybe a few tears in this sweet little motherhood episode. We chat about rocky beginnings, throwing parenting books away, and *the* moment that changed everything. We give a few mom hacks, talk about loosening our grips, and the unexpected ways we're ditching expectations. And of course, we share the darnedest...2017-05-0955 min
Upside Down PodcastEpisode 19 - Immigration: A Conversation Feat. Salem Afangideh, Immigration Attorney & Nigerian ImmigrantShould Christians care about immigration? Our friend Salem Afangideh, immigration attorney, shares her journey into law and gives perspective into why people of faith should care about issues surrounding immigration. We start learning about executive orders but dive into so much more, including immigration myths, how faith affects work, avoiding a savior complex, why self care is important, valuing people over money, and how Salem experiences life as a woman of color. Kayla Craig hosts with Lindsy Wallace and Kristi James. Learn more about Salem and lawyers who care at afangidehglobal.com.Support the show2017-04-2546 min