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Downright MindfulFrom Highway Patrol to Trinity Trail Riders: The Journey of Derrick FrazierIn Episode 42 of Downright Mindful, I sit down with Derrick Frazier—former Tennessee State Trooper, Sheriff's Deputy, and now Criminal Justice teacher at Hardin County High School. We met at Hermitage Park after a long day of training with the Tennessee Highway Patrol at the Department of Safety Training Center in Donelson, TN.Derrick shares his journey through law enforcement, his passion for drone photography, and how that evolved into his successful outdoor adventure YouTube channel, Trinity Trail Riders. We talk off-roading, side-by-sides, camping, video editing, and education—all in 34 minutes of real conversation.📍 Shot on loca...2025-07-2734 minDownright MindfulFrom Dream Teams to Real TraumaIn Episode 41 of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul go from basketball courts to real-world burdens.We kick things off with a snake draft of our all-time NBA starting five, followed by our picks for MLB’s greatest 9 and NFL all-time squads. It's fun, opinionated, and personal.But then, Paul turns the conversation toward mental wellness and trauma, introducing the TIPP method (Temperature, Intense exercise, Paced breathing, and Paired muscle relaxation), and asking Matt about the weight of police work, training, and the emotional toll.The episode ends with a simple but profound question—one...2025-07-201h 21Downright MindfulReal Life, Real TalkIn Episode 40 of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul are back in the studio and catching up.From Paul’s family reunion and Lucy the dog’s run-in with dark chocolate, to the story of Jackie Mitchell striking out Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, to moments in American history that happened on July 13th, we cover a lot.Along the way, we wander into conversations about culture, current events, and why it’s worth pausing to talk about the world we’re living in, even when it’s messy.It’s one of those episodes whe...2025-07-131h 25Downright MindfulIt Is Well: A Mid-Year Reflection and a Story About Loss, Faith, and HopeIn Episode 39 of Downright Mindful, Matt flies solo while Paul is out of town, taking time for a mid-year reflection on where we’ve been, where we’re going, and the unseen ways grief, faith, and memory shape the path forward.Matt shares a deeply personal story tied to the hymn It Is Well with My Soul, weaving in the loss of his niece, Addison, and the journey of his family through grief, anger, and the slow return to hope. It’s a reminder that some songs aren’t just sung—they live in your bones, carrying you when l...2025-07-0632 minDownright MindfulBen Berry: Community, Growth, and Life in Cleveland, TNIn Episode 38 of Downright Mindful, we sit down with Ben Berry, owner of Berry Engineers in Cleveland, TN, inside the historic Fillauer House—now home to his business and a fitting place for a conversation about what makes a community thrive.Ben grew up here, and as an engineer and business owner, he’s spent years watching how people and places shape each other—from how we build our neighborhoods to the traffic patterns that reveal how we live. What starts as a conversation about Cleveland’s past and present grows into a discussion on human behavior, communit...2025-06-291h 46Downright MindfulFinding 1.2 Million Followers Before Age 24: Braden Davis on Faith, Fear, and Building OnlineIn Episode 37 of Downright Mindful, we sit down with Braden Davis—an online entrepreneur, former high school athlete, and digital marketing powerhouse. At just 23 years old, Braden has built multiple faceless social media accounts totaling over 1.2 million followers, grown a career in dropshipping and affiliate marketing, and cultivated a mindset of wisdom, faith, and humility.We explore how he started, what drives him, and how anxiety and first impressions have shaped his personal growth. Paul asks what it means to build community when you’re behind the screen, and Matt digs into how Braden balances bold risk-taking with...2025-06-221h 07Downright MindfulFrom Rock Bands to the Principal’s Office: Adam Ferguson’s JourneyEpisode 36...In this episode, we sit down with Adam Ferguson, principal of Oak Grove Elementary School—and former frontman of more than one Christian rock band.The conversation begins with stories from Adam’s youth: life on stage, music with a mission, and the tug of purpose that eventually led him into the classroom. We follow his path from student to teacher to school leader, stopping along the way for moments of reflection, wisdom, and a few laughs.Adam opens up about leadership, identity, and how to balance calling with community. This one is full of h...2025-06-151h 10Downright MindfulDr. Bill Estes on Education, Leadership, and Local PoliticsEpisode 35...In this episode, we sit down on the campus of Lee University with Dr. Bill Estes…a respected educator, community leader, and member of the Cleveland City Council. From stories about his personal life to reflections on local government, education reform, and the future of our city, Dr. Estes brings both wisdom and warmth to the table.Paul and Matt ask about the lessons he’s learned through decades in education, how he views leadership in the public square, and what it means to shape a city from the inside out. Whether you're a student, a teac...2025-06-081h 18Downright MindfulA Choice of Weapons: Gangs, Guns, and Gordon ParksIn Episode 34 of Downright Mindful, Paul interviews Matt about the many "weapons" he's carried — and not all of them come from a duty belt.Drawing from Matt’s real-world experience as a sheriff’s deputy, this episode explores the use (and misuse) of firearms, tasers, pepper spray… and yes, even a lamp. But this isn’t just a conversation about force — it’s about choices.Paul then shifts the conversation toward the deeper meaning behind the title, referencing Gordon Parks, a legendary photographer, filmmaker, and author of A Choice of Weapons. Parks once embedded with a Harlem gang...2025-06-011h 07Downright MindfulOn the Road: State Champs, Self-Reflection, and a Flashing LightSeason 1: Episode 33...In this spontaneous audio-only episode, Matt and Paul hit record while driving home from witnessing the Walker Valley Lady Mustangs win their first-ever state softball championship 🥎🏆.Fueled by pride and a little bit of road-trip energy, they work through a list of personality traits—discussing which ones fit, which ones don’t, and how they each show up in different scenarios. Somewhere in the middle of all that honesty… something unexpected happens on the road. 👀(We won’t spoil it here—but trust us, you’ll hear it when it happens.)🎧 This episode drops along...2025-05-251h 11Downright MindfulRiver Talk: Travel, Students, and the Classroom BeyondSeason 1: Episode 32...In this riverside episode of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul settle in on the banks of the Hiwassee River in Charleston, TN to reflect on the final days of the school year and the kinds of relationships that form in the classroom when you're truly paying attention.They swap stories about hosting European exchange students, the lessons they brought into the room, and the broader benefits of travel—whether it’s across the globe or just down the street. Matt shares a thought: Maybe the deepest kind of travel is simply opening your eyes to the...2025-05-2521 minDownright MindfulBackroads, Police Chases, and Gone to Get MilkSeason 1: Episode 31...Matt and Paul sit down again to share tales from the streets of Cleveland and Bradley County, Tennessee. This time, Matt recalls:A high-speed police chase that took a hard turnA childhood trip to a local dairy farm, just to get milk for churningAnd what it was like bagging groceries at 15 (and what he learned about people doing it)As always, the roads we remember take us back to more than just destinations—they lead to the people, lessons, and laughs along the way.Whether yo...2025-05-181h 02Downright MindfulCleveland, TN: The Streets of Bradley CountySeason 1: Episode 30...In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul begin a new local history series focused on the places that shaped life in Cleveland and Bradley County, Tennessee—starting with the roads we grew up on.From Paul Huff Parkway and Keith Street to APD-40 and I-75, we share personal stories, moments, and memories connected to the streets that have become part of the local identity.Whether you’re from Cleveland, just moved here, or grew up hearing about these places, this is a conversation about how roads become more than pavement—they become...2025-05-111h 04Downright MindfulThe Box You Leave Behind: What Will People Remember About You?Season 1: Episode 29…If your life could be packed into a single box—just a few objects left behind to tell your story—what would people find? And more importantly… what would they assume about you?In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul take turns filling their metaphorical box—sharing items that represent character, belief, regret, laughter, and growth. It’s reflective, it’s honest, and it’s a little funnier than it has any right to be.🎧 Listen now and let us know: What would be in your box? 🗣️ Drop a comment, leave a review, or send us a m...2025-05-0446 minDownright MindfulStranded with Only 12 Items and 2 Visitors... What/Who Would You Choose?Season 1: Episode 28...Imagine being stranded—no phones, no internet, no second chances.Just you, a meadow by the river, and 12 choices to carry you through.In this episode of Downright Mindful, Paul throws Matt into the ultimate nostalgia survival test:🎶 4 Cassette Tapes from the 80s📀 4 DVDs from the 80s or 90s📚 4 Books on a solar-powered Kindle🧸 3 Childhood KeepsakesAND...👤 One living visitor (Tuesdays)🕊️ One visitor from the past (Fridays)What memories would you hold onto? What voices would you need to hear again?This is nostalgia, survival, and storytel...2025-04-271h 02Downright MindfulWhat If Your Life Was a Movie… and You Knew How It EndedSeason 1: Episode 27... In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt kicks things off by asking Paul: 🎥 If your life were a movie... what genre would it be? 🎶 What would the soundtrack sound like? 🎭 And who would play you?But it doesn’t stop there. The conversation shifts into something deeper—a real look at life as a timeline. Where are you right now in your story? How do you define the beginning? And what might the ending look like?It’s fun, it’s reflective, and it might just make you think differently about the season you’re in.👕...2025-04-2048 minDownright MindfulNever Say Never – The Things We Swore We'd Never Do (But Did Anyway)Season 1: Episode 26...How many times have you said, “I’ll never…”—only to end up doing exactly that?In this episode of Downright Mindful, Paul leads us into the theme of Never Say Never, and things get real. He shares how he once said he’d never attend a certain college… then spent four of the most formative years of his life there playing basketball. He also swore he’d never get married while still in school—until he met his wife and moved into married housing on campus.Matt admits he never thought he’d be a teacher, and...2025-04-1354 minDownright MindfulThe Rules No One Wrote (But Everyone Follows)Season 1: Episode 25...Some rules don’t live in handbooks—they live in the looks people give you when you break them.In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul unpack the unwritten rules of life:– Don’t talk to someone with headphones on– Step to the side of the hallway if you’re going to chat– Don’t stand right beside someone at the urinal– Let people off the elevator before you get on– Don’t wear white to someone else’s weddingBut it’s not just about manners—it’s about meaning...2025-04-0655 minDownright MindfulThe Golden Rule… and All the OthersSeason 1: Episode 24...In this episode of Downright Mindful, Paul returns with a powerful and personal exploration of the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. But he doesn’t stop there—Paul introduces a whole spectrum of ethical principles, including the Silver, Bronze, Iron, Platinum, and even Titanium Rule 🪙⚖️💬Matt and Paul weave in personal stories, honest reflection, and plenty of laughs as they unpack how these moral frameworks show up in real life, relationships, classrooms, and leadership.This episode challenges you to think about how you treat others—and how you want...2025-03-3056 minDownright MindfulUndercover Escapes, True Crime Cases, and The Slowest Runner AliveSeason 1: Episode 23...This week, Matt is flying solo while Paul takes care of some things—but don’t worry, he’ll be back next episode! In the meantime, we’re diving into listener comments and some wild stories from Matt’s days as an investigator.First up: the time he was undercover and sort of ran from the police (but not really). Then, the slowest foot chase in history—a pursuit so slow it almost wasn’t one at all.To wrap things up, Matt gives a brief breakdown of three high-profile true crime cases:🔎 Gabby Pet...2025-03-2341 min
Downright MindfulUnwritten Rules: Social Norms, Boundaries, and When They Hold FirmSeason 1: Episode 22...There are some things you just don’t do—or at least, that’s what we’ve been told. But who decides what’s “appropriate,” and why do some social norms feel unshakable?In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul take the conversation outside—literally. The microphones might be cheap, but the discussion runs deep. It starts with a simple question: Are there movies you wouldn’t want to watch with your mom? But that’s just the beginning.From awkward moments to who sets unspoken social rules, when (if ever) they change, and why...2025-03-1655 minDownright MindfulBadges, Coffee, and Ethical Dilemmas: Police & Teacher EthicsSeason 1: Episode 21... In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul tackle the tough questions surrounding police and teacher ethics. Matt puts Paul in the hot seat with real-world ethical dilemmas straight out of police training:If you see another officer doing something dishonest, what do you do?If a gas station clerk insists you take free coffee because you're a cop, should you accept it?But the conversation doesn’t stop there—Paul flips the script, exploring ethical dilemmas teachers face in their relationships with students, colleagues, and even in staff meetings. The discussion expands into teac...2025-03-091h 05
Downright MindfulThe Comedy, The Books, and The Future of Entertainment!Season 1: Episode 20...In this episode of Downright Mindful, Paul brings in a special guest—his oldest son, Seth—for a conversation that jumps from literature to stand-up comedy to the ever-changing world of technology.Paul kicks things off by sharing what he’s been reading lately, mentioning authors like Rob Bell and Mort Sahl. Then, the discussion shifts to the art of stand-up comedy, as Matt, Seth, and Paul break down the brilliance of comics like Dave Chappelle, Jeff Foxworthy, Nate Bargatze, and Shane Gillis.But that’s not all—before the conversation wraps, the trio dives...2025-03-021h 02
Downright MindfulThe Art of Melancholy: Music, Empathy, and the Stories We FeelSeason 1: Episode 19...Why does sad music move us, even when we’re not sad? In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul explore the artistry behind melancholic songs—the kind that cut deep, not to wound, but to make us think.They discuss how legendary songwriter Diane Warren crafts heartache into unforgettable ballads and reflect on the quiet empathy found in the work of local songwriter Derrick Kinsey. It’s not about feeling down—it’s about understanding the power of music to connect, comfort, and challenge us.This isn’t a sad episode. It’s a thoug...2025-02-231h 20
Downright MindfulMore Than Ogres: Fireworks, Crime Scenes, Layers, and LegaciesSeason 1: Episode 18...Life, like crime scenes (and yes, even ogres and onions), is built in layers. In this episode of Downright Mindful, Paul challenges Matt to connect something layered to his own skills—leading to a conversation about SkillsUSA Crime Scene competitions, forensic investigations, and how experience builds upon itself over time.The episode kicks off with Matt’s wild story about the time his brother was nearly blown off a pontoon boat in a fireworks accident. From there, Paul masterfully unpacks the deeper theme—how talents, knowledge, and even the impact we leave on others are layere...2025-02-161h 02
Downright MindfulBreaking Bad, School Searches, and Probable Cause vs. Reasonable SuspicionSeason 1: Episode 17...In this episode ofDownright Mindful, Matt and Paul kick things off with a conversation about popular TV series, includingBreaking Bad,Ted Lasso, andAmerican Primeval. They reflect on the recent cold weather and the start of a new school semester before diving into an important legal discussion:probable cause vs. reasonable suspicion.Paul challenges Matt from the perspective of school administrators and SROs, questioning how these legal concepts apply in schools. What rights do students have? When can a search be conducted? How does the law balance safety and privacy?If you’re interested in...2025-02-091h 05
Downright MindfulBuffalo Soldiers: Music, Stories, and the Power of WordsSeason 1: Episode 16...In this episode of Downright Mindful, Paul takes Matt on a journey through history using the power of music. He explores how legendary artists—Bruce Springsteen (Born in the USA), Billy Joel (We Didn’t Start the Fire), Bob Marley (Buffalo Soldier), and Billie Holiday (Strange Fruit)—each, at the height of their influence, chose to use their voice to tell someone else’s story.
From there, Paul and Matt dive into the nuances of language, playing with the words just and yet to explore their deeper meanings. The conversation then shifts to words that begin wi...2025-02-0246 min
Downright MindfulSenator J. Adam Lowe on Individualism, Masculinity, and GenerationsSeason 1: Episode 15... In this engaging episode of Downright Mindful, TN State Senator J. Adam Lowe joins Matt and Paul for a dynamic conversation that bridges personal stories and big ideas. Matt recalls an awkward but memorable encounter with Senator Lowe during a stakeout from his time as a drug detective, setting the tone for a thoughtful and reflective discussion.
Together, they explore rugged individualism, its misconceptions, and its ties to toxic masculinity. The conversation also dives into the generational divide, unpacking the traits and influences of Baby Boomers, Gen X, and Millennials.
With humor, insight...2025-01-261h 27Downright MindfulUn-Common Ground: Shots Fired, Cold Cases, and ConversationSeason 1: Episode 14...In this powerful episode of Downright Mindful, Matt and Paul welcome their first guest, Zech Pike, whose career spans from detective work with the Bradley County Sheriff’s Office to his current role as the Safety and Security Coordinator for Bradley County Schools.
Zech and Matt find common ground as they reflect on their shared experience of being supervised by Sgt. Bill Coultry at the Bradley County Sheriff’s Office. Zech recounts the harrowing night in 2006 when he, as a young patrol deputy, responded to the tragic shooting of the Sgt. Coultry. He vividly describes the...2025-01-191h 05Downright MindfulO' Teacher of TeachersSeason 1: Episode 13...In this timeless reflection on the art of teaching, Matt and Paul delve into the philosophies that guide those who shape minds and lives. Paul, a teacher of teachers in his own right, shares his framework of Inspire, Instruct, Empower, while Matt highlights “The 3 E’s” loosely attributed to Walt Disney…Entertain, Educate, and Enlighten.
Together, they unravel the essence of what it means to teach—not just lessons, but life itself. With thoughtful dialogue and heartfelt insights, they explore the lasting legacy of those who lead others toward understanding and purpose. This is more than a con...2025-01-121h 06Downright MindfulRain, Truth, and the Broken HeartSeason 1: Episode 12...In this episode of Downright Mindful, Paul presents Matt with a series of thought-provoking questions drawn from iconic songs and movies: “If you work for a living, then why do you kill yourself working?” “Do you want the truth?” “Why so serious?” “Who’ll stop the rain?” “Does anybody really know what time it is?” and “How do you heal a broken heart?”
The discussion ebbs and flows between humor, introspection, and heartfelt reflection, diving into themes of purpose, honesty, and the human experience. With both lighthearted banter and deep musings, this episode is a rich exploration of life’s...2025-01-051h 06Downright MindfulHungry, Cold, Lucky, Afraid...Season 1: Episode 11...In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt sits down with Paul to explore four powerful questions: “Have you ever been hungry? Cold? Lucky? Afraid?” What follows is a deeply personal and relatable conversation as both share stories of moments when they’ve faced these feelings. From unexpected blessings to life’s challenges, this episode dives into the raw human experiences that connect us all. Join us for a reflective and heartfelt discussion that will leave you thinking about your own answers to these questions.
Also promised in this episode...Paul shoplifting and Matt encountering a man with...2024-12-291h 04Downright MindfulFrom Corrections to the Classroom – A Law Enforcement StorySeason 1: Episode 10 Part 1...In the first installment of this two-part Christmas episode, Paul interviews Matt about his extensive law enforcement career. From working as a corrections officer and prisoner transport agent to serving as a patrolman, SRO, Narcotics detective, and Property crimes detective, Matt shares stories and insights from his time behind the badge.
As the episode wraps up, Paul shifts the conversation to the intersection of law and social norms, posing a thought-provoking question: can a detective get away with something a corrections officer can’t? This question sets the stage for Part 2, where the discussion co...2024-12-2248 minDownright MindfulThe Weight of Grace and the Magic of ChristmasSeason 1: Episode 10 Part 2...In the second half of this two-part Christmas episode, Paul continues the conversation by asking a challenging question: “How much grace should we give a police officer who breaks the law?” The discussion shifts seamlessly into reflections on grace, justice, and the profound themes of the holiday season.
Paul explores the legacy of the real St. Nicholas, the story of Jesus, and the enduring magic of Christmas that connects us all. This heartfelt and thought-provoking episode invites listeners to consider the balance of accountability and compassion, all while embracing the true spirit of the seas...2024-12-221h 04Downright MindfulSeasons, Traditions, and LegacySeason 1: Episode 9...In the debut recording at their new studio with crisp, clean sound, Matt interviews Paul about the different seasons of life, especially the joys and challenges of raising a family. Together, they explore the significance of holiday traditions and reflect on the roles we play in shaping family memories that last a lifetime.
The conversation takes an unexpected turn, connecting the legacy of family to a poignant moment in history: the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Join us as we celebrate life’s rhythms, honor history, and embrace the meaning behind the memories we create. This sp...2024-12-1545 minDownright MindfulChoosing Both and Moving ForwardSeason 1: Episode 8...
In the final episode recorded at the PIE Innovation Center, Downright Mindful takes a reflective turn as Paul interviews Matt, asking him to choose between life’s little dilemmas: sweet or salty, banjo or mandolin, mountains or beach, vanilla or chocolate. But as the conversation unfolds, Paul shares a thoughtful realization—he doesn’t want to choose anymore; he wants both.
The episode begins with Josh stirring up rumors about Matt’s secret singing talent and winds through Matt’s stories and perspectives, including a stop to explore Gary Chapman’s 5 Love Languages. As the team...2024-12-081h 09Downright MindfulNavigating Life’s Awkward Moments with Paul and Josh
Season 1: Episode 7...In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt sits down with Paul and Josh to tackle some of life’s small yet thought-provoking dilemmas. Together, they explore those everyday situations that catch us off guard, like whether to shake hands with an old friend spotted at a restaurant, or how to explain the sight of someone asking for help at a red light to curious kids. The conversation also covers dining etiquette—should you always accept food when offered at a friend’s house? And what about that moment of uncertainty at a party when you don't know anyone...2024-12-011h 06Downright MindfulMt. Rushmore: A Modern Take on Monumental Leaders
Season 1: Episode 6...In this engaging episode of Downright Mindful, Paul turns the tables, interviewing Matt and Josh about the iconic Mt. Rushmore and its historical significance. From there, Paul challenges Matt to reimagine a modern Mt. Rushmore with influential leaders of today. Matt’s choices honor a powerful speaker, a groundbreaking music innovator, a lyricist with profound influence, and a figure known for stirring up “good trouble.” Tune in for a lively discussion that blends history with contemporary impact, celebrating the voices shaping our world.
#mtrushmore #perspective #history2024-11-2449 minDownright MindfulPrecious Memories: Faulty Memory in Life and Law
Season 1: Episode 5...In this thought-provoking episode of Downright Mindful, Matt leads a conversation with Paul and Josh on the surprising unreliability of memory, both within the justice system and in our own lives. He shares compelling examples—from people vividly “recalling” hot air balloon rides that never happened to his own reflections on how major events can blur personal memories. Through the wrongful conviction cases of Ronald Cotton and Adam Braseel, Matt illustrates the high stakes of relying on memory as evidence. He also introduces best practices for photo line-ups, discussing how procedural safeguards aim to prevent mistak...2024-11-1759 minDownright MindfulNow and Then: Controversial Leaders, Paid Athletes, and Progress in a Fast-Paced WorldSeason 1: Episode 4
In this episode of Downright Mindful, Paul and Matt bring fresh perspectives to conversations that matter. They begin by exploring the life and legacy of a lesser-known civil rights leader whose impact was undeniable, yet steeped in controversy—a figure whose actions and beliefs continue to spark debate. From there, they shift to the modern world of sports, weighing in on the idea of paying athletes at every level and what that means for the future of competitive play. Technology is next on the docket as they reflect on how far we’ve come, evolving from flip phon...2024-11-101h 00Downright MindfulPerspectives: 90's memories, Life Shifts, and Defining MomentsSeason 1: Episode 3...
In this reflective episode of Downright Mindful, Matt, Paul, and Josh kick things off by brainstorming the structure and direction of their podcast, giving listeners a behind-the-scenes look at their creative process. From there, Matt shifts gears, interviewing Paul about his high school years in '94 and '95, a time filled with big dreams, memorable moments, and the journey that led him to play basketball at Lee University. The conversation takes a poignant turn as Matt brings up the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995, using it to explore the concept of flashbulb memories—those vivid, enduring sn...2024-11-031h 03Downright MindfulBeyond the Algorithm: AI, Equality, Friendship, and the Art of Happy Accidents
Season 1: Episode 2...In this episode of Downright Mindful, Matt, Paul, and Josh dive into the future of AI and its possible implications for education—exploring both the promises and the challenges it brings to classrooms. They unpack the nuanced differences between equality and fairness, reflecting on how these principles shape education and society at large. The trio also shares personal insights on the meaning of friendship and look back at their "best mistakes"—those unplanned moments that turned into valuable life lessons. Join us for an engaging conversation, where we embrace, as Bob Ross would say, the art...2024-11-031h 18Downright MindfulCall the Mayor!Season 1: Episode 1...Join Matt and Paul as they explore first impressions, non-verbal communication, governance, early policing, the Coal Creek Saga, Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary, and their plans for entering the podcasting world.2024-10-2858 min