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The Lawfare PodcastLawfare Archive: Will Generative AI Reshape Elections?From November 29, 2023: Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ve probably heard a great deal over the last year about generative AI and how it’s going to reshape various aspects of our society. That includes elections. With one year until the 2024 U.S. presidential election, we thought it would be a good time to step back and take a look at how generative AI might and might not make a difference when it comes to the political landscape. Luckily, Matt Perault and Scott Babwah Brennen of the UNC Center on Technology Policy have a new report out on...
2025-11-1549 min
The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionLawfare Archive: Will Generative AI Reshape Elections?From November 29, 2023: Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ve probably heard a great deal over the last year about generative AI and how it’s going to reshape various aspects of our society. That includes elections. With one year until the 2024 U.S. presidential election, we thought it would be a good time to step back and take a look at how generative AI might and might not make a difference when it comes to the political landscape. Luckily, Matt Perault and Scott Babwah Brennen of the UNC Center on Technology Policy have a new report out on...
2025-11-1549 min
The DynamistWho Should Regulate AI, and How? w/Matt Perault and Jai RamaswamyCalifornia governor Gavin Newsom recently signed into law the country’s first comprehensive regulatory framework for high-risk AI development. SB 53, or the Transparency in Frontier Artificial Intelligence Act, is aimed at the most powerful, “frontier” AI models that are trained with the highest computing and financial resources. The bill requires these developers to publish information on how they evaluate and mitigate risk, report catastrophic or critical safety incidents to state regulators, maintain protocols to prevent misuse of their models, and provide whistleblower protections to employees so they can report serious risks. SB 53 is significantly narrower in scope than the contro...
2025-10-2152 minThe Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionLawfare Archive: Cox and Wyden on Section 230 and Generative AIFrom May 2, 2023: Generative AI products have been tearing up the headlines recently. Among the many issues these products raise is whether or not their outputs are protected by Section 230, the foundational statute that shields websites from liability for third-party content.On this episode of Arbiters of Truth, Lawfare’s occasional series on the information ecosystem, Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic and Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology and Policy at UNC-Chapel Hill, talked through this question with Senator Ron Wyden and Chris Cox, formerly a U.S. congressman and SEC chairman. Cox and Wyden drafted Sectio...
2025-10-0530 minThe Lawfare PodcastLawfare Archive: Cox and Wyden on Section 230 and Generative AIFrom May 2, 2023: Generative AI products have been tearing up the headlines recently. Among the many issues these products raise is whether or not their outputs are protected by Section 230, the foundational statute that shields websites from liability for third-party content.On this episode of Arbiters of Truth, Lawfare’s occasional series on the information ecosystem, Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic and Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology and Policy at UNC-Chapel Hill, talked through this question with Senator Ron Wyden and Chris Cox, formerly a U.S. congressman and SEC chairman. Cox and Wyden drafted Sectio...
2025-10-0530 minThe Lawfare PodcastLawfare Archive: The Supreme Court Rules in Murthy v. MissouriFrom June 28, 2024: On June 26, the Supreme Court handed down its decision in Murthy v. Missouri—the “jawboning” case, concerning a First Amendment challenge to the government practice of pressuring social media companies to moderate content on their platforms. But instead of providing a clear answer one way or the other, the Court tossed out the case on standing. What now? Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes discussed the case with Kate Klonick of St. Johns University School of Law and Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina.To receive ad-free podcasts, become a ...
2025-09-2743 minThe Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionLawfare Archive: The Supreme Court Rules in Murthy v. MissouriFrom June 28, 2024: On June 26, the Supreme Court handed down its decision in Murthy v. Missouri—the “jawboning” case, concerning a First Amendment challenge to the government practice of pressuring social media companies to moderate content on their platforms. But instead of providing a clear answer one way or the other, the Court tossed out the case on standing. What now? Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes discussed the case with Kate Klonick of St. Johns University School of Law and Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy f...
2025-09-2743 min
The a16z ShowThe Little Tech Agenda for AIWho’s speaking up for startups in Washington, D.C.?In this episode, Matt Perault (Head of AI Policy, a16z) and Collin McCune (Head of Government Affairs, a16z) unpack the “Little Tech Agenda” for AI- why AI rules should regulate harmful use, not model development; how to keep open source open; the roles of the federal government vs states in regulating AI; and how the U.S. can compete globally without shutting out new founders. Timecodes: 0:00 – Introduction 1:12 – Defining the Little Tech Agenda4:40 – Challenges for Startups vs. Big Tech
2025-09-0857 min
Tech Policy Podcast415: The State of AI RegulationMatt Perault (a16z) joins Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) for a wide-ranging discussion of AI bills, AI laws, and AI vibes. Part of the WLF-TechFreedom Tech in the Courts webinar series.Topics include:Why did the AI moratorium die?Activity in the statesRegulate outcomes, not models?Next steps in Congress“Transparency”: so hot right nowThe AI panicLawsuitsLinks:Recorded Tech in the Courts Webinar—The State of AI Regulation
2025-08-0453 minThe Lawfare PodcastLawfare Archive: AI Policy Under Technological Uncertainty, with Alex “amac” MacgillivrayFrom July 23, 2024: Alan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor at the University of Minnesota Law School and Senior Editor at Lawfare, and Matt Perault, the Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, sat down with Alexander Macgillivray, known to all as "amac," who was the former Principle Deputy Chief Technology Officer of the United States in the Biden Administration and General Counsel at Twitter.amac recently wrote a piece for Lawfare about making AI policy in a world of technological uncertainty, and Matt and Alan talked to him about how to do j...
2025-07-2640 minThe Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionLawfare Archive: AI Policy Under Technological Uncertainty, with Alex “amac” MacgillivrayFrom July 23, 2024: Alan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor at the University of Minnesota Law School and Senior Editor at Lawfare, and Matt Perault, the Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, sat down with Alexander Macgillivray, known to all as "amac," who was the former Principle Deputy Chief Technology Officer of the United States in the Biden Administration and General Counsel at Twitter.amac recently wrote a piece for Lawfare about making AI policy in a world of technological uncertainty, and Matt and Alan talked to him about how to do j...
2025-07-2640 min
Innovation Files: Where Tech Meets Public PolicyThe Case for Smarter AI Regulation, With Matt PeraultRegulating how AI is used—not how it's built—is the only way to protect innovation and give small startups a fair shot. Rob and Jackie sit down with Matt Perault, Head of Artificial Intelligence Policy at Andreessen Horowitz, to discuss the significant burden regulatory frameworks can place on smaller tech companies and the critical role of government in AI regulation. MentionedEzra Klein and Derek Thompson, Abundance, (Simon and Schuster, March 2025).Robert D. Atkinson and Meghan Ostertag, “Congress Should Fully Fund NSF’s TIP Directorate to Make America More Competitive Versus China,” (ITIF, June 2025).Robert D. Atkinson...
2025-07-0725 min
"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysisa16z on Protecting Little Tech: The Techno-Optimist AI Policy Agenda with Matt Perault, Head of AI PolicyIn this episode, Matt Perault, Head of AI Policy at a16z, discusses their approach to AI regulation focused on protecting "little tech" startups from regulatory capture that could entrench big tech incumbents. The conversation covers a16z's core principle of regulating harmful AI use rather than the development process, exploring key policy initiatives like the Raise Act and California's SB 813. Perault addresses critical challenges including setting appropriate regulatory thresholds, transparency requirements, and designing dynamic frameworks that balance innovation with safety. The discussion examines both areas of agreement and disagreement within the AI policy landscape, particularly around scaling laws...
2025-06-101h 00
Two Think MinimumLittle Tech, Big Challenges: Competing in the AI Era with Matt PeraultLittle Tech, Big Challenges: Competing in the AI Era with Matt Perault by Technology Policy Institute
2025-02-2141 minThe Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionLawfare Daily: Matt Perault on the Little Tech AgendaMatt Perault, Head of AI Policy at Andreessen Horowitz, joins Kevin Frazier, Contributing Editor at Lawfare and Adjunct Professor at Delaware Law, to define the Little Tech Agenda and explore how adoption of the Agenda may shape AI development across the country. The duo also discuss the current AI policy landscape.We value your feedback! Help us improve by sharing your thoughts at lawfaremedia.org/survey. Your input ensures that we deliver what matters most to you. Thank you for your support—and, as always, for listening! Get for Ad Free Podcasts Hosted on Aca...
2025-02-1840 minThe Lawfare PodcastLawfare Daily: Matt Perault on the Little Tech AgendaMatt Perault, Head of AI Policy at Andreessen Horowitz, joins Kevin Frazier, Contributing Editor at Lawfare and Adjunct Professor at Delaware Law, to define the Little Tech Agenda and explore how adoption of the Agenda may shape AI development across the country. The duo also discuss the current AI policy landscape.We value your feedback! Help us improve by sharing your thoughts at lawfaremedia.org/survey. Your input ensures that we deliver what matters most to you. Thank you for your support—and, as always, for listening!To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Suppo...
2025-02-1840 minTwo Think MinimumAI Policy and the Future of Startups with Matt PeraultAI Policy and the Future of Startups with Matt Perault by Technology Policy Institute
2025-02-1341 min
POLITICO TechHow should states regulate AI? Andreessen Horowitz weighs in.DeepSeek has stoked fresh concerns in Washington about America’s standing in the AI race. But the real policy action is happening in the states, where legislatures are moving faster than Congress to regulate. Andreessen Horowitz, the Silicon Valley investment firm with ties to the Trump administration, is now warning against a medley of AI laws — and wants the federal government to preempt states when it comes to regulating the technology’s development. On POLITICO Tech, the firm’s head of AI policy, Matt Perault, joins host Steven Overly to explain. Learn more about your ad choic...
2025-02-0416 minThe Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionLawfare Archive: A TikTok Ban and the First AmendmentFrom April 14, 2023: Over the past few years, TikTok has become a uniquely polarizing social media platform. On the one hand, millions of users, especially those in their teens and twenties, love the app. On the other hand, the government is concerned that TikTok's vulnerability to pressure from the Chinese Communist Party makes it a serious national security threat. There's even talk of banning the app altogether. But would that be legal? In particular, does the First Amendment allow the government to ban an application that’s used by millions to communicate every day?On this episode of Arb...
2024-12-2247 minThe Lawfare PodcastLawfare Archive: A TikTok Ban and the First AmendmentFrom April 14, 2023: Over the past few years, TikTok has become a uniquely polarizing social media platform. On the one hand, millions of users, especially those in their teens and twenties, love the app. On the other hand, the government is concerned that TikTok's vulnerability to pressure from the Chinese Communist Party makes it a serious national security threat. There's even talk of banning the app altogether. But would that be legal? In particular, does the First Amendment allow the government to ban an application that’s used by millions to communicate every day?On this episode of Arb...
2024-12-2247 minThe Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionLawfare Daily: Catching Up on the State of Platform Governance: Zuckerberg, Durov, and MuskIt’s been a busy week in the world of social media and technology platforms. Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg sent an odd letter to the House Judiciary Committee apparently disclaiming some of his company’s past content moderation efforts. Telegram founder Pavel Durov was arrested in France on a wide range of charges involving an investigation into the misuse of his platform. And Elon Musk is engaged in an ongoing battle with Brazilian courts, which have banned access to Twitter (now X) in the country after Musk refused to abide by court orders. These three news stories speak to...
2024-09-0649 minThe Lawfare PodcastLawfare Daily: Catching Up on the State of Platform Governance: Zuckerberg, Durov, and MuskIt’s been a busy week in the world of social media and technology platforms. Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg sent an odd letter to the House Judiciary Committee apparently disclaiming some of his company’s past content moderation efforts. Telegram founder Pavel Durov was arrested in France on a wide range of charges involving an investigation into the misuse of his platform. And Elon Musk is engaged in an ongoing battle with Brazilian courts, which have banned access to Twitter (now X) in the country after Musk refused to abide by court orders. These three news stories speak to...
2024-09-0649 min
Our National ConversationAllow Us to Explain - A.I. and Generation ZThis episode of Allow Us to Explain focuses on artificial intelligence and Generation Z. Join host Chris and ONC policy content writer Greta (Justice and Public Safety) as we explore how AI is transforming Gen Z's experiences, viewpoints, and opportunities. We'll talk about how AI is affecting Gen Z, from its involvement in politics to its influence on the labor market, and see what the future holds. - - - Follow Our National Conversation on Social Media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ournationalconversation/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ournationalconversation YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/our...
2024-08-071h 03The Lawfare PodcastLawfare Daily: AI Policy Under Technological Uncertainty, with Alex “amac” MacgillivrayAlan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor at the University of Minnesota Law School and Senior Editor at Lawfare, and Matt Perault, the Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, sat down with Alexander Macgillivray, known to all as "amac," who was the former Principle Deputy Chief Technology Officer of the United States in the Biden Administration and General Counsel at Twitter.amac recently wrote a piece for Lawfare about making AI policy in a world of technological uncertainty, and Matt and Alan talked to him about how to do just th...
2024-07-2339 min
The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionLawfare Daily: AI Policy Under Technological Uncertainty, with Alex “amac” MacgillivrayAlan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor at the University of Minnesota Law School and Senior Editor at Lawfare, and Matt Perault, the Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, sat down with Alexander Macgillivray, known to all as "amac," who was the former Principle Deputy Chief Technology Officer of the United States in the Biden Administration and General Counsel at Twitter.amac recently wrote a piece for Lawfare about making AI policy in a world of technological uncertainty, and Matt and Alan talked to him about how to do just th...
2024-07-2339 minThe Lawfare PodcastLawfare Daily: The Supreme Court Rules in Murthy v. MissouriOn June 26, the Supreme Court handed down its decision in Murthy v. Missouri—the “jawboning” case, concerning a First Amendment challenge to the government practice of pressuring social media companies to moderate content on their platforms. But instead of providing a clear answer one way or the other, the Court tossed out the case on standing. What now? Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes discussed the case with Kate Klonick of St. Johns University School of Law and Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina.To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare...
2024-06-2842 minThe Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionLawfare Daily: The Supreme Court Rules in Murthy v. MissouriOn June 26, the Supreme Court handed down its decision in Murthy v. Missouri—the “jawboning” case, concerning a First Amendment challenge to the government practice of pressuring social media companies to moderate content on their platforms. But instead of providing a clear answer one way or the other, the Court tossed out the case on standing. What now? Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes discussed the case with Kate Klonick of St. Johns University School of Law and Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina. Get for Ad Free Podcasts Hosted on Aca...
2024-06-2842 min
The Tech Policy Press PodcastUnpacking the Oral Argument in Murthy v MissouriOn Monday, March 18, the US Supreme Court heard oral argument in Murthy v Missouri. In this episode, Tech Policy Press reporting fellow Dean Jackson is joined by two experts- St. John's University School of Law associate professor Kate Klonick and UNC Center on Technology Policy director Matt Perault- to digest the oral argument, what it tells us about which way the Court might go, and what more should be done to create good policy on government interactions with social media platforms when it comes to content moderation and speech.
2024-03-2451 min
The Beta Binge: Where Emerging Tech GoesUnpacking the Oral Argument in Murthy v MissouriOn Monday, March 18, the US Supreme Court heard oral argument in Murthy v Missouri. In this episode, Tech Policy Press reporting fellow Dean Jackson is joined by two experts- St. John's University School of Law associate professor Kate Klonick and UNC Center on Technology Policy director Matt Perault- to digest the oral argument, what it tells us about which way the Court might go, and what more should be done to create good policy on government interactions with social media platforms when it comes to content moderation and speech.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker...
2024-03-2451 min
The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionMatt Perault, Ramya Krishnan, and Alan Rozenshtein Talk About the TikTok Divestment and Ban BillToday, we’re bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem.Last week the House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that would require ByteDance, the Chinese company that owns the popular social media app TikTok, to divest its ownership in the platform or face TikTok being banned in the United States. Although prospects for the bill in the Senate remain uncertain, President Biden has said he will sign the bill if it comes to his desk, and this is the most serious attempt yet to ban the controversial social media app...
2024-03-2250 min
The Lawfare PodcastMatt Perault, Ramya Krishnan, and Alan Rozenshtein Talk About the TikTok Divestment and Ban BillToday, we’re bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem.Last week the House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that would require ByteDance, the Chinese company that owns the popular social media app TikTok, to divest its ownership in the platform or face TikTok being banned in the United States. Although prospects for the bill in the Senate remain uncertain, President Biden has said he will sign the bill if it comes to his desk, and this is the most serious attempt yet to ban the controversial social media app...
2024-03-2250 min
Scaling LawsMatt Perault, Ramya Krishnan, and Alan Rozenshtein Talk About the TikTok Divestment and Ban BillLast week the House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that would require ByteDance, the Chinese company that owns the popular social media app TikTok, to divest its ownership in the platform or face TikTok being banned in the United States. Although prospects for the bill in the Senate remain uncertain, President Biden has said he will sign the bill if it comes to his desk, and this is the most serious attempt yet to ban the controversial social media app.Today's podcast is the latest in a series of conversations we've had about TikTok. Matt Perault, the Di...
2024-03-2250 min
Scaling LawsJawboning at the Supreme CourtToday, we’re bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem.On March 18, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in Murthy v. Missouri, concerning the potential First Amendment implications of government outreach to social media platforms—what’s sometimes known as jawboning. The case arrived at the Supreme Court with a somewhat shaky evidentiary record, but the legal questions raised by government requests or demands to remove online content are real. To make sense of it all, Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic and Matt Perault, the Director of the Center...
2024-03-2151 min
The Lawfare PodcastJawboning at the Supreme CourtToday, we’re bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem.On March 18, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in Murthy v. Missouri, concerning the potential First Amendment implications of government outreach to social media platforms—what’s sometimes known as jawboning. The case arrived at the Supreme Court with a somewhat shaky evidentiary record, but the legal questions raised by government requests or demands to remove online content are real. To make sense of it all, Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic and Matt Perault, the Director of the Center...
2024-03-2151 min
The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionJawboning at the Supreme CourtToday, we’re bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem.On March 18, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in Murthy v. Missouri, concerning the potential First Amendment implications of government outreach to social media platforms—what’s sometimes known as jawboning. The case arrived at the Supreme Court with a somewhat shaky evidentiary record, but the legal questions raised by government requests or demands to remove online content are real. To make sense of it all, Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic and Matt Perault, the Director of the Center...
2024-03-2151 min
TechTankThe State of State Technology PolicyIn this week's episode of the TechTank podcast, co-hosts Nicol Turner Lee and Darrell West kickoff 2024 with an insightful conversation on the state of tech policy with returning guests, MattPerault, Director of the Center on Science & Technology Policy at UNC-Chapel Hill, and ScottBrennen, the Head of Online Expression Policy at the Center on Technology Policy at UNC-Chapel Hill. Together, they discuss the intricacies of state policy within the dynamic and ever-evolving tech landscape, exploring key challenges and potential solutions that shape the future of
2024-01-1528 min
Tech Policy Podcast#363: AI and ElectionsTechFreedom’s Ari Cohn and Corbin Barthold discuss whether AI is going to spark an “infocalypse,” bring about the “collapse of reality,” and destroy our elections. Is AI about to “flood” our “screens” with “misinformation” that’s “dangerous to democracy”? Notwithstanding these quotes from recent press stories, the answer is probably no.Ari’s Senate testimonyWhat the Doomsayers Get Wrong About DeepfakesScott Brennen + Matt Perault paperTech Policy Podcast #358: Information Animals Fighting Information WarsTech Policy Podcast #359: Your Right to Lie — With Jeff Kosseff
2024-01-1145 min
The Lawfare PodcastHow Are the TikTok Bans Holding Up in Court?In May 2023, Montana passed a new law that would ban the use of TikTok within the state starting on January 1, 2024. But as of today, TikTok is still legal in the state of Montana—thanks to a preliminary injunction issued by a federal district judge, who found that the Montana law likely violated the First Amendment. In Texas, meanwhile, another federal judge recently upheld a more limited ban against the use of TikTok on state-owned devices. What should we make of these rulings, and how should we understand the legal status of efforts to ban TikTok?We’ve discus...
2024-01-0349 min
Scaling LawsHow Are the TikTok Bans Holding Up in Court?In May 2023, Montana passed a new law that would ban the use of TikTok within the state starting on January 1, 2024. But as of today, TikTok is still legal in the state of Montana—thanks to a preliminary injunction issued by a federal district judge, who found that the Montana law likely violated the First Amendment. In Texas, meanwhile, another federal judge recently upheld a more limited ban against the use of TikTok on state-owned devices. What should we make of these rulings, and how should we understand the legal status of efforts to ban TikTok?We’ve discus...
2024-01-0349 min
The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionHow Are the TikTok Bans Holding Up in Court?In May 2023, Montana passed a new law that would ban the use of TikTok within the state starting on January 1, 2024. But as of today, TikTok is still legal in the state of Montana—thanks to a preliminary injunction issued by a federal district judge, who found that the Montana law likely violated the First Amendment. In Texas, meanwhile, another federal judge recently upheld a more limited ban against the use of TikTok on state-owned devices. What should we make of these rulings, and how should we understand the legal status of efforts to ban TikTok?We’ve discus...
2024-01-0349 minPOLITICO TechForecast 2024: States will drive the tech agendaStates passed dozens of new tech laws last year on issues like AI, data privacy and kids’ online safety. Congress… talked about a lot of laws. The University of North Carolina’s Matt Perault expects that dynamic to continue in 2024. On POLITICO Tech, Perault shares predictions for state-level tech policy in the year to come with host Steven Overly.
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2024-01-0220 min
Scaling LawsJeff Horwitz on Broken Code and Reporting on FacebookIn 2021, the Wall Street Journal published a monster scoop: a series of articles about Facebook’s inner workings, which showed that employees within the famously secretive company had raised alarms about potential harms caused by Facebook’s products. Now, Jeff Horwitz, the reporter behind that scoop, has a new book out, titled “Broken Code”—which dives even deeper into the documents he uncovered from within the company. He’s one of the most rigorous reporters covering Facebook, now known as Meta.On this episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurec...
2023-12-2053 min
The Lawfare PodcastJeff Horwitz on Broken Code and Reporting on FacebookIn 2021, the Wall Street Journal published a monster scoop: a series of articles about Facebook’s inner workings, which showed that employees within the famously secretive company had raised alarms about potential harms caused by Facebook’s products. Now, Jeff Horwitz, the reporter behind that scoop, has a new book out, titled “Broken Code”—which dives even deeper into the documents he uncovered from within the company. He’s one of the most rigorous reporters covering Facebook, now known as Meta.On this episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurec...
2023-12-2053 min
The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionJeff Horwitz on Broken Code and Reporting on FacebookIn 2021, the Wall Street Journal published a monster scoop: a series of articles about Facebook’s inner workings, which showed that employees within the famously secretive company had raised alarms about potential harms caused by Facebook’s products. Now, Jeff Horwitz, the reporter behind that scoop, has a new book out, titled “Broken Code”—which dives even deeper into the documents he uncovered from within the company. He’s one of the most rigorous reporters covering Facebook, now known as Meta.On this episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurec...
2023-12-2053 min
Scaling LawsWill Generative AI Reshape Elections?Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ve probably heard a great deal over the last year about generative AI and how it’s going to reshape various aspects of our society. That includes elections. With one year until the 2024 U.S. presidential election, we thought it would be a good time to step back and take a look at how generative AI might and might not make a difference when it comes to the political landscape. Luckily, Matt Perault and Scott Babwah Brennen of the UNC Center on Technology Policy have a new report out on just tha...
2023-11-2949 min
The Lawfare PodcastWill Generative AI Reshape Elections?Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ve probably heard a great deal over the last year about generative AI and how it’s going to reshape various aspects of our society. That includes elections. With one year until the 2024 U.S. presidential election, we thought it would be a good time to step back and take a look at how generative AI might and might not make a difference when it comes to the political landscape. Luckily, Matt Perault and Scott Babwah Brennen of the UNC Center on Technology Policy have a new report out on just tha...
2023-11-2949 min
The Lawfare Podcast: Patreon EditionWill Generative AI Reshape Elections?Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you’ve probably heard a great deal over the last year about generative AI and how it’s going to reshape various aspects of our society. That includes elections. With one year until the 2024 U.S. presidential election, we thought it would be a good time to step back and take a look at how generative AI might and might not make a difference when it comes to the political landscape. Luckily, Matt Perault and Scott Babwah Brennen of the UNC Center on Technology Policy have a new report out on just tha...
2023-11-2949 minPOLITICO TechWhy fighting deepfakes in the 2024 election is…complicatedAI-generated deepfakes are expected to disrupt the 2024 election cycle. But Matt Perault and Scott Babwah Brennen at the University of North Carolina’s Center on Technology Policy say some fears are overblown. On POLITICO Tech, they talk with host Steven Overly about the potential problems with and policy fixes for political deepfakes.
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2023-11-2725 min
Explain to ShaneCandidates, Bots, and Ballots: How AI is Rewriting Political Advertising (with Scott Brennen and Matt Perault)Generative AI poses new challenges for political campaigning and our democracy as we head towards the 2024 presidential election. While this technology could streamline political messaging, there is greater fear that it could enable widespread manipulation and distortion of the democratic process. Heading into a contentious election, how can we assess and mitigate harms from AI-generated disinformation? How will the use of generative AI be different than prior “cheap fake” attempts? How should policymakers prepare for and respond to the use of AI in political advertising?On this episode, Shane is joined by Scott Brennen and Matt Perault, co-a...
2023-11-2033 min
Anchor Change with Katie HarbathFrom the inside: When platforms engage with governmentI have to apologize to you all. I forgot to put a poll in last week’s podcast notes about our fun tradeoff, which was how you would want to unwind.I won’t make that same mistake this week! The hard question for you today is:This week, we are joined by a bunch of exciting guests.First up is Diane Chang.Diane is a journalist-turned-product manager and was most recently Meta's election integrity product manager. She is an Entrepreneur-in-Residence at the Brown Institute for Media Innovation at Columbia Journalism Scho...
2023-10-261h 04
Scaling LawsTalking AI with Data and Society’s Janet HavenToday, we’re bringing you an episode of Arbiters of Truth, our series on the information ecosystem. And we’re discussing the hot topic of the moment: artificial intelligence. There are a lot of less-than-informed takes out there about AI and whether it’s going to kill us all—so we’re glad to be able to share an interview that hopefully cuts through some of that noise.Janet Haven is the Executive Director of the nonprofit Data and Society and a member of the National Artificial Intelligence Advisory Committee, which provides guidance to the White House on AI issu...
2023-10-0546 minTechTankWays to Protect Children OnlineIn this episode of the TechTank podcast, co-host Darrell M. West explores potential paths forward in thesafety of kids online with Matt Perault, a professor at UNC's School of Information and Library Science,and Scott Brennen, the head of online expression policy at UNC's Center on Technology Policy. As co-authors of the report "Keeping Kids Safe Online: How Should Policymakers Approach Age Verification",both scholars will discuss current methods for age verification, consider the key trade-offs for each, andshare informed recommendations for policymakers. Hosted...
2023-07-1732 min
SpeechMattersThe Challenge of AI: "Abstinence is Not the Best Approach"The latest generative AI technologies have dominated the headlines these last few months raising questions about how ChatGPT will change teaching, research and learning at colleges and universities, as well as in society at large. In this episode, we explore AI’s impacts – both big and small – with nationally recognized technology policy expert and Director of UNC at Chapel Hill’s Center on Technology Policy Matt Perault. Episode Resources:UNC Center on Technology Policy: https://techpolicy.unc.edu/Matt Perault Article on Section 230 and Chat GPT: https://www.lawfareblog.com/section-230-wont-protect-chatgpt“Our Robophobia” by Andrew Keane Woods...
2023-06-2151 min
Wonks and War RoomsSeason 5 Wrap UpIn this final episode, our host Elizabeth reflects on the six episodes of Season 5, which dug into tech, politics, and policy with guests from the Berkman Klein Centre at Harvard and Center for Information Technology and Public Life (CITAP) at UNC-Chapel Hill. She recaps highlights of each episode, looks at what they had in common, and where we need to dig a little deeper.Additional resources:Here are direct links to this season’s episodes, including show notes and annotated transcripts:Episode 1: Knowledge Mobilization for Policy Impact with Petra MolnarEpisode 2: Image Manipulation wi...
2023-05-2410 minWonks and War RoomsAntitrust and Big Tech with Matt PeraultMatt Perault is the director of the Center on Technology Policy at UNC Chapel Hill, and previously worked at Facebook, as the head of the global policy development team. This episode he and Elizabeth get into the weeds on antitrust competition laws, monopolies and big tech. They talk about how monopolies can be both good and bad, the goals of antitrust laws, and the complication of these laws applying across different regions of the world. They also discuss some of the antitrust lawsuits in big tech right now, and the various stakeholders involved.Additional resources:
2023-05-0332 min
Scaling LawsCox and Wyden on Section 230 and Generative AIGenerative AI products have been tearing up the headlines recently. Among the many issues these products raise is whether or not their outputs are protected by Section 230, the foundational statute that shields websites from liability for third-party content.On this episode of Arbiters of Truth, Lawfare’s occasional series on the information ecosystem, Lawfare Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic and Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology and Policy at UNC-Chapel Hill, talked through this question with Senator Ron Wyden and Chris Cox, formerly a U.S. congressman and SEC chairman. Cox and Wyden drafted Section 230 together in...
2023-05-0229 minScaling LawsA TikTok Ban and the First AmendmentOver the past few years, TikTok has become a uniquely polarizing social media platform. On the one hand, millions of users, especially those in their teens and twenties, love the app. On the other hand, the government is concerned that TikTok's vulnerability to pressure from the Chinese Communist Party makes it a serious national security threat. There's even talk of banning the app altogether. But would that be legal? In particular, does the First Amendment allow the government to ban an application that’s used by millions to communicate every day?On this episode of Arbiters of Tr...
2023-04-1446 min
Barron's LiveTech Trader - The Outlook for Technology StocksBarron's associate editor for technology Eric Savitz speaks with Matt Perault, director of the Center on Technology Policy at UNC-Chapel Hill on the outlook for technology stocks.
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2023-04-0444 min
Tech Policy GrindDigital Safety and That Section 230 Thing – Conversations from State of the Net (Part 2) [S4E02]
We’re back with Part 2 of our State of the Net series, and this week we’re chatting kids privacy and what’s going on with Section 230!
In this episode, Reema and Joe talk digital privacy and safety issues for children with Natalie Campbell (Internet Society). Then, Reema chats with Matt Perault (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill) and Yaël Eisenstat (Anti-Defamation League) on Section 230 and the current landscape of platform liability.
In case you missed last week, for the past (nearly) two decades, the State of the Net Conference has served as the...
2023-03-2330 minScaling LawsDoes Section 230 Protect ChatGPT?During recent oral arguments in Gonzalez v. Google, a Supreme Court case concerning the scope of liability protections for internet platforms, Justice Neil Gorsuch asked a thought-provoking question. Does Section 230, the statute that shields websites from liability for third-party content, apply to a generative AI model like ChatGPT? Luckily, Matt Perault of the Center on Technology Policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill had already been thinking about this question and published a Lawfare article arguing that 230’s protections wouldn’t extend to content generated by AI. Lawfare Senior Editors Quinta Jurecic and Alan Rozenshtein sa...
2023-03-0950 min
Demos Helsinki PodcastWhen States Make Tech Policy Podcast: The Lawfare Podcast (LS 68 · TOP 0.05% what is this?)Episode: When States Make Tech PolicyPub date: 2023-01-23Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationTech policy reform occupies a strange place in Washington, D.C. Everyone seems to agree that the government should change how it regulates the technology industry, on issues from content moderation to privacy—and yet, reform never actually seems to happen. But while the federal government continues to stall, state governments are taking action. More and more, state-level officials are propo...
2023-02-0145 min
The MachinistWhen States Make Tech Policy Podcast: The Lawfare Podcast (LS 68 · TOP 0.05% what is this?)Episode: When States Make Tech PolicyPub date: 2023-01-23Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationTech policy reform occupies a strange place in Washington, D.C. Everyone seems to agree that the government should change how it regulates the technology industry, on issues from content moderation to privacy—and yet, reform never actually seems to happen. But while the federal government continues to stall, state governments are taking action. More and more, state-level officials are propo...
2023-02-0145 minScaling LawsWhen States Make Tech PolicyTech policy reform occupies a strange place in Washington, D.C. Everyone seems to agree that the government should change how it regulates the technology industry, on issues from content moderation to privacy—and yet, reform never actually seems to happen. But while the federal government continues to stall, state governments are taking action. More and more, state-level officials are proposing and implementing changes in technology policy. Most prominently, Texas and Florida recently passed laws restricting how platforms can moderate content, which will likely be considered by the Supreme Court later this year.On this episode of Ar...
2023-01-2345 min
Moderated ContentMC Weekly Update 1/9: New Year, Same Trust and Safety IssuesStanford’s Evelyn Douek and Alex Stamos weigh in on the latest online trust and safety news and developments:An EU regulator is putting behavioral advertising at risk and leveling more than $400 million in fines against Meta for Facebook and Instagram privacy violations. - Sam Schechner/ The Wall Street Journal, Vincent Manancourt/ Politico, Adam Satariano/ The New York Times, Stephanie Bodoni/ Bloomberg NewsMore: Meta plans to appeal the ruling against its legal basis for processing data to provide targeted posts and ads based on user activity. - MetaGoogle is implementing an appeals process for users suspended for sharing ch...
2023-01-0935 min
WUNC PoliticsIs a 'Digital Civil War' on the horizon?The landscape of a post-Roe world is still taking shape. There are many questions lingering about access to reproductive healthcare, as well as personal information and online privacy. On this episode of The Politics Podcast Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Technology Policy at UNC Chapel Hill, details some of the policy inconsistencies and forecasts what could happen next.
2022-11-3015 minThe Tech Policy Press PodcastExamining Programmatic Political Advertising in the United StatesAs the U.S. midterm elections approach next week, there is a renewed focus on understanding the spending on and claims made in political advertising in digital channels, particularly on social media. But what is going on across the web, beyond the social media platforms? A recent report from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Center on Technology Policy found that as a result of restrictions on political ads instituted by major platforms ahead of the 2020 elections, political advertisers are increasingly turning to political advertising on other platforms. Programmatic advertising accounts for a substantial and...
2022-11-0136 minTech RefactoredS2E33 - Leadership, Innovation, and Management with Matt PeraultOn this episode we explore what leadership and innovation look like in the industry and in academia focused on the tech sector. Matt Perault is the director of the Center on Technology Policy at University of North Carolina’s School of Information & Library Science. He previously led the Center on Science & Technology Policy at Duke University. Before returning to academia, Matt was a director on the public policy team and the head of the global policy development team at Facebook. He covered issues ranging from antitrust to law enforcement to human rights and oversaw the company’s policy work on emer...
2022-05-0400 minExplain to ShaneA potential breaking point for tech antitrust (with Matt Perault and Blair Levin)Several bills seeking to restructure American antitrust law are moving forward in both bodies of Congress. The bills specifically target Big Tech firms — namely Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google — though they follow arbitrary metrics for “bigness,” and don’t address lawmakers’ main concerns with tech platforms. Meanwhile, the Department of Justice and Federal Trade Commission are also stepping up enforcement against Big Tech. With a Senate markup approaching for one of the bills, we must ask: Is Congress really prepared to pass major antitrust legislation? On this episode, Shane is joined by Matt Perault, a former Facebook public polic...
2022-01-1835 min
BettingPros PodcastEarly Look at Week 8 NFL Lines (Ep. 120)Matt Perault joins Dan Harris to take an early look at the Week 8 NFL spreads and totals, in addition to a spirited Tua Tagovailoa debate.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
2021-10-2538 min
PR TalkTech Policy and Our Society with Matt PeraultThis week’s episode of the PR Talk podcast features Amy’s interview with Matt Perault during a recent Rotary Club of Portland meeting. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
2021-10-2043 min
PR TalkTech Policy and Our Society with Matt PeraultThis week’s episode of the PR Talk podcast features Amy’s interview with Matt Perault during a recent Rotary Club of Portland meeting. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
2021-10-2043 min
NSI LiveTech 2020/21: Allies, Enemies, and the Homefront Part 3: The National Security Implications of AntitrustOn Tuesday, October 19, 2021, as part of NSI’s Tech Innovation and American National Security project, NSI hosted the third panel of a four-part series examining the national security implications of antitrust challenges at home and abroad. This third event took a look at how U.S. adversaries are addressing antitrust questions related to the tech industry as well as the implications of such efforts for our national security. Our panel features Maureen Ohlhausen, Matt Perault, and Alex Petros, and was moderated by NSI Founder and Executive Director, Jamil N. Jaffer.Adversarial nation-state governments, such...
2021-10-2059 min
The Penta Podcast ChannelInsights: Higher Ed Episode Four: Duke's Matt PeraultIn a new episode of HPS Insights' special series on higher education we talk to Matt Perault, Director of the Center on Science & Technology Policy and former Head of Global Policy Development at Facebook. Matt joins Stacy and Elliott to discuss synergies between the technology and education worlds and innovation in higher education in the time of COVID-19. They dive into the contributions that universities are making to public policy and discuss tech regulation on the horizon.
2020-07-1536 min
Policy 360Should Political Ads on Social Media be Regulated?In this episode, we sit down with two people with different views for a conversation about social media platforms and political advertising. Matt Perault is a former director of Public Policy at Facebook. Phil Napoli is author of Social Media and the Public Interest: Media Regulation in the Disinformation Age. Both are faculty members at the Sanford School of Public Policy at Duke. Matt Perault's podcast is TBD: Technology By Design Phil Napoli's book is Social Media and the Public Interest: Media Regulation in the Disinformation Age Read the episode transcript Music: Blue Dot Sessions / Licensed und...
2020-02-0526 minPolicy 360Designing Tech Policies for an Audience of BillionsIs tech moving too fast for policymakers to catch up? A conversation with Matt Perault. He served as a director of public policy at Facebook. He is now a faculty member at the Sanford School of Public Policy at Duke, and director of the Center on Science and Technology Policy. Music: The Zeppelin by Blue Dot Sessions Music licensed under Creative Commons Attribution
2020-01-2225 min
Dungeon Delve – An Official Dungeons & Dragons PodcastTaking Initiative: PoWD Ep. #3In a seedy, secret gambling hall, multiple individuals are seeking information about the rumored hoard in Waterdeep. But who is working for who? Who knows what? Will these people befriend each other or will it end in a bloodbath?
Here's a brief recap of what's happened so far: Waterdeep is a city in turmoil with the crime organization run the Xanathar clashing with the Zhentarim, also known as the black network. In the episode #2 of PoWD, the Dragon Friends were tasked with finding an item by Uesidore the Blue, played by Matt Young from Hello From the Magic Tavern. The...
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